Shane MacGowan on his Irish Identity, 1987
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- čas přidán 10. 03. 2021
- Raised in London by Irish parents and holding an Irish passport, Irish music is extremely important to Shane MacGowan from The Pogues who recorded ‘The Irish Rover’ with The Dubliners.
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Continuously drunk and soft-spoken for 50 years. I love this guy. ❤
A shy and gentle soul......and the front-man of one of the most ballsy punk rock outfits ever.
Shane McGowan was a shy introverted guy, but, he was totally at home singing his own songs, that was the genius in him! ❤
This is true& there was mostly no harm to him,but most of these people stepping up ( Lifelong friends apparently?) and proclaiming their friendship stayed well away when he was at the height of his fame ( except for Christy Moore!)
RIP Shane. May perpetual light shine upon you. Long live The Pogues!
RIP fellow born first in family Englishman. Fact. My mum and dad from Glasgow. I was born in Croydon. So I am English. As he was.
@@kennethmccallum9719That’s dependant on the environment. As an example, some Muslim children born in the UK only mix with fellow Muslims and do not ingratiate themselves in the English way of life - they would hardly describe themselves as English.
Shane spent a lot of time between Ireland and the UK as a child hence he often described himself as a duel citizen.
@@strawberryicecream796 so what he was still English.
@@kennethmccallum9719 I see that you have made many comments on this video telling everyone that you’re English, sounds like you have an identity issue yourself as otherwise why are you trying to convince people?, who actually cares where you’re from?
Well said 👍🏼
Oh I loved those days on London when Shane was in his prime - We went to his gigs and had so much fun - This interview was shot in the Forum in Kentish Town - My parents used to dance there in the 1950s - Then in the 80s it was renamed the Town & Country Club before reverting to the Forum in the 1990s - Great venue... Shane did a lot for us young Irish kids hungry for mad Irish music and the Pogues soon attracted a dedicated London Irish following - Shane was a extremely intelligent child with a gift for reading great literature - He would go on and write amazing songs - We will love him forever for he achieved greatness as an artist and such a lovable gentle soul.
Shane’s English, born in Kent!
@@4th_Lensman_of_the_apocalypse I sat for a while at the cross at Finnoe
Where young lovers would meet when the flowers were in bloom
Heard the men coming from the fair at Shinrone
Their hearts in Tipperary wherever they go
@@patrickryan5570 been at the Whisky Patsy?
@@4th_Lensman_of_the_apocalypseare you an idiot? She's cleverly using Shane's lyrics to show you a point. And you're too dumb to even get the point.
Long live Shane fucking love the guy 🍀
Thanks for clearing that up Shane!
Shane has never been good at answering questions in interviews. But the brilliance of his music (and his mind) is beyond question.
Extremely shy
Bob Dylan could be very laconic
he had heart warming hearts for those that were in need.
He was analysing counterpoints to his statements as he was saying them, retorting himself as he tried to speak his feelings. A legend and a real intellect, with anxiety and self doubt
That's a positive spin if ever I heard one in 2023!
He had tremendous talent,but the Pogues were more of ' LIVE' band with quite a British Irish☘️🇨🇮 ( and especially the London Irish☘️🇨🇮 scene) following,hardly ' mainstream ' but of course,now he's passed,everyone is claiming their love& respect! How about doing that when someone's alive & well! And I did see them play a few times& see see him in a Pub!
his brain was already fucked, sadly. none of this analytical pish you're on about
That’s an inherent Irish ability: holding two thoughts in your head at once.
Agreed. Shane did that a lot with interviewers.. Let me tell ya I had a chance to drink with him once..fierce intelligent bloke.
@@jerryoshea3116what's your point Jerry? Shane often did that in interviews.. Hated compliments, and a lot of the time closed off and anxious.. A by product of that would be self-doubt especially with Journos he didn't know. You never question your own thinking or is just that your interviews don't have the same amount of interest in them? Throw us out a link to one there bud.. You're Irish, I am too.. Everyone loves you when your dead why does that surprise you? Same as it ever was.
I wish he never drank so much he had such a great writers intellect which you would never understand from probably any of his interviews, but his legend will live on in his brilliant words and great music.
He was as you knew him
What he did was what he was.
He's high on drugs in this interview. From his demeanour, likely from snorting cocaine.
That’s the most sober I’ve ever seen him
His accent slips between London and Ireland so incredibly, an audible representation of his heritage.
Shane had a,warm Irish heart that came out in his songs. God Bless him always ❤
He was English.
@SA-ff9uc bullshit, I didn't see anything on his coffin only the Irish colours
Well done.@@ianbermingham9047
@@SA-ff9uc with Irish origin
He was definitely English … hence the accent lol
I never even knew he didn't speak with an Irish accent. It's an odd thing, my mother was Welsh and my father is of Irish/English ancestry, I was born in England but I've lived in Ireland for a few years now, and when I'm at home in Ireland I feel like an Englishman, and when I go over to England I feel like an Irishman. Shane MacGowan is right, you hope it gives you a healthy skepticism about the 'institutions'.
Foreigner and at home in both. Hard for people who don't have the issue to understand in my exp.
@@FionnCr that's it, exactly.
As an Irish person you have to have grown up in Ireland to be considered Irish, I find it embarrassing how people like Shane will identity so much with Ireland despite being English, like stfu coloniser go back to your miserable country and leave us alone
@@FionnCr That's the experience of all foreigners and immigrants once they settled in a place for a decent amount of time.
Lol, why? He is English after all! 😂🤣💀
Sometimes the most beautiful lyrics come out of people who aren’t so poetic in interviews.
Poetic is one thing, coherent is another... but he ain't even intelligible!
He was English. Born in posh Tonbridge in Kent. Just masked the accent. I Know
@@kennethmccallum9719 Yeah, in early interviews he has a London accent. He milked his Irish heritage for every last penny.
@@RF_Burns 🤣 do u really think/believe that Shane had to milk an accent for coin or was tour comment tongue n cheek. If so, me bad lol
@@mcloving6989 No I don't think he had to, I think he chose to.
Just leave Shane alone. Listen to his amazing lyrics and writing. That’s all that is important. How many of his arsehole critics won a scholarship to Westminster public school on the strength of their literature?
Definitely a bright guy just doesn't come across in interviews.
@@michaelodowd4807 I agree with you - that’s the result of pickling yourself in alcohol for so many years
@@michaelodowd4807 Brendan Behan had the same problem for the same reason.
Both geniuses.
Too right Liz Bourn
@@lizbourn4192 he is sober in this interview, but he is naturally a very introverted person and very shy, he might not come across like that but he is, and he suffers from anxiety, and is a very complicated and intelligent person
RIP Shane MacGowan
One fewer Plastic Paddy terrorist supporter.
the interviewer should be drinking a pint with him .. then the conversation would flow
Probably the fists would have as well.
I read the title as Irish dentistry...rest easy Shane. You gave it everything.
He came to play in UL when I was in college there. I was a huge fan . A pair of brown eyes was my favorite song. I remember I heard a group of lads randomly singing it on their way home one night outside my house around that time. Nice moment... At the gig he had a bottle of gin up on stage with him drinking it straight, half of it pouring down his top. Then he was offering a sip to each of the band members. Anyone who drinks like that majors problems with reality. The reality is he was probably to kind gentle and in touch with the spiritual world to cope with this reality
Navigator, Old Main Drag, The band played Waltzing Matilda ( his cover) and " Fairy tale of New York" fun song. Ian Macshane you are the Irish Tom Waits. The highest compliment that I could ever pay.
I wager it could be higher. Calling him by his actual name might work.
Ian macshane 😂😂 wtf lol
I must have been in the same condition that he usually appears to be in when I made my comment. Forgive me.
@@crystalbluewire3339 😂👍 genuinely makes me laugh
TV’s Lovejoy
Shane made is acceptable for us London Irish to be exactly who we are. RIP to the big man.
I wish whoever produced this would have learned one of the first things they taught us way back in journalism school - to not run a music bed under your whole interview. As much as I love the Dubliners, I couldn’t hear most of what Shane had to say. I did laugh when he swore and then reacted like “Ooops”, like he was really trying not to. So cute and endearing.
Identity is relative - I met an Irish girl from Liverpool 20 years ago in New Zealand - she had never been in Ireland - we had a conversation pissed out of our heads as Gaeilge all night - she never spoke English to her dad only in Irish - she played the uilleann pipes in the pub that night - as good as any one in Ireland. Could say the same about an Italian lad and a Japanese fella who both spoke Irish who I met on me travels. Then back home I got accosted in an off licence by a bunch of gobshites saying to me to fuck off back to me own Country for speaking Irish.
😂
Incredible
I like him, he's lovely and talented. I also talk like him, but I rarely drink. It's my anxiety.
It was his anxiety, too. He suffered in reliably bad anxiety all of his life. It's the reason he used to have to drink before going anywhere near a stage. I know he eventually took that to far too much excess, but he always needed something to help him be able to deal with being on stage and be around people in general. Interviews were a special kind of hell for him, too. He isn't hardly drunk at all here but seems to be on cocaine or possibly amphetamines, like speed. He is particularly coherent compared to usual. Drink makes him way less energetic than we see here.
@@paulhamj6175absolutely spot on a lot of people don’t realise he needed a drink to take the edge off an not be so so nervous.a gentle soul with a genius mind.
Shane was an inspiration to me.
Being London Irish ( like me ) is a bit schizo, 2 different cultures, 2 identities that kind of thing. But that experience deeply informed and enriched Shanes music ( and much Irish music in general ) in a way that appealed to many people especially those expatriates living in a foreign land. Or just those who feel a bit alienated from the culture around them and who dream of something else...
Shane is our poet.
He was capable of writing such incredible poetry in his songs but could barely string two words together when speaking.
Maybe, two stupid questions tho. Should’ve just put the stout in the twats face and walked away
Yeah I always found that fascinating. I could only understand him when he sung. But interviewer is struggling to get anything coherent out of him.
Shane's not wasting alcohol
his inability to string coherent sentences together are self inflicted.
@Lalealyn I'm from the other side of the pond so forgive my ignorance. Are expensive schools called Public Schools over there? In my country public schools are the free ones and the richie schools are called private schools.
Poor lad he was so nervous in this interview. I really feel for him.
The poor interviewer he's trying to get blood from a stone, but he can write poetry. Seems he likes Irish music and the diversity of London, and a few pints.
“How important is Irish music to you?”. Are you serious?! Shane was incredibly polite given the idiocy of the interview.
@@pricejoss They were pretty ridiculous questions haha.
@@pricejoss tf? He barely answered them
@@pricejoss I agree the interviewer could be better and Shane is polite (as you would expect for someone who went to Westminster School) and seems shy. From what I've read the Pogues saw themselves as a London band and didn't think they could have been a success if they had been from Ireland. I thought like most people in Ireland and the UK they were an Irish band before I read about it. There was also some issue around how they were described on Wiki with an editorial note saying that they should be described as an English band. By the way I'm neutral just glad they existed.
The diversity of London will get you stabbed or robbed these days.
Shane was a top bloke one of a kind I feel like my mind turns to mush when someone asks me a question with nary a drop in me
I know a lot of ppl who can talk flawlessly but they are culturally insignificant compared to this Legend.
Not a bad bone in his body - RIP
REST IN PINTS SHANE! WE LOVE YA FOREVER!
It's not being born in Ireland that makes you Irish. It's Ireland being born in you 💚
Very well said, i agree!
Ugh. Spits.
Lol, very romantic and all but Shane’s English. Born in Kent dontcha kno!
It's called DNA. Shane was 100% Irish as both his parents were Irish.
@@siobhan3937 ok! If you say so…👍🏾😂🤣💀
I hate bing that drunk talking to a sober person like him.
He definitely turned ten times around 💚
You can still hear his Kentish accent in this.
I allways thought Shane must be on the Asperger's spectrum. A total genius with words and lyrics but unable to hold a conversation.
Many the great Irish person wasn't fortunate enough to be born in Ireland but the blood remains green.
He was born in england on accedent while his family was on holidays lmao.
RIP! Pure poetry!
He communicates better in song .
Shane says at the end if you’re from an Irish background you can get involved in that as much as you want!!!!! And you you what as a second generation Irishman he’s fucking right you’re as Irish as you feel.
it seems as if his brain is working faster than he can get the words out; trying to figure out how to qualify his answers, not saying a simple yes or no to the questions.
Today they would put some sort of autism label on him. Not saying that he does or doesn't, just a commentary on how we label everything today.,
@@AI_Image_Master hes drunk fham i dont think anybody thought anything else of it😂
He’s just drunk lol
@@thedude4khe us not drunk. If you read his books and interviews and knew him more you'd know he was not drunk here. He had probably had cocnaine or speed as it allowed him to overcome, somewhat, the extreme social anxiety that crippled him all his life, especially in interviews and on stage. Yes he took it to extreme eve tally because he loved taking drugs but part of that love was the sense of freedom he felt from all the anxiety keeping his self locked inside. Oh and how do I know he isn't drunk,? Drink tended to slow him right down, way much more than he is here. Here he is very energetic, illuminated, and his pattern of speech gives it away. Alcohol dumbed down the man.
Glad to see the rumoured bottle of whisky a day hasn't effected his looks !!
That is exactly why one writes. So as not to have to talk...
I met the pogues in london in 1985. Whipps Cross ,
I definitely see similarities between this and most Bob Dylan interviews.
Very similar indeed! Same type of person just born across the pond.
@@andrewharrison7503 who was born across the pond?
@@theliamofella Both were born across the pond from one another.
@@Felixxxxxxxxx yea , I think I misunderstood the comment
Thanks
Praised be
💜
That interviewer is sitting there like he is ready to start murder lol
👌💕
I always wanted to meet a plank in a big oversized red guineys coat..
You know you've hit rock bottom when your buying clothes in that place!!
@@lardosian manys the time done it lol
@@TheBenzer9 When I hit rock bottom meseself I bought a pair of shoes there, thought I was a great fella, the soles fell off within a month, spent more on super glue trying to glue them back together.
@@lardosian so you wouldn't recommend?? What year was that
@@TheBenzer9 Around 2 years ago, better off paying a bit more somewhere else.
Reminds me of some early interviews Slash done, Both gifted guys but very shy and introverted, Slash got better at interviews with age but even still you can tell he's not particularly in his comfort zone
Proud of his irish back round like he's some half cast that man irish to the core and every irish man's proud of him
Born in England, grew up in England yet strong ties to Ireland
He literally had family in the IRA, Irish as they come
@@Squasagedogfact. I’m born in England to Irish parents but proud Irishman . Means fuck all. Shane you understood it. RIP
@user-cn8ig7jj3x so did I but I'm English always will be both of my parents where Irish
@@Guv_luton1 if a collie dog and a collie dog has a puppy it's not going to be a labradore
Up the Irish,r.i.p Shane ,legend
❤
articulate fellow
LOL yeahhhhh
people talk about booze but this was also during Shane's LSD phase, so he was probably on at least 6 hits, probably a bump of coke and maybe a little pot, too.
You throw in a few rocks and some Meth as well!
FULL OF SPEED!! Go on shaneo!
People ragging on Shane, nothing worse than an interviewer asking such single form questions, basically asking him to give him the answers he wants, no room for Shane to actually express or exert his own opinion or personality
| cannot hear him, there should be sub titles.
Man he stayed wasted...
As someone who is neurodivergent, I know my people when I see them!
Irish heritage? He is Irish
I worked with two guys, one was raised in Scotland by English parents and the other raised in England by Scottish parents. They both identified themselves as Scot but it just wasn’t believable for the guy with the English accent.
Some orator even then
Born near Royal Tunbridge Wells
@@megadave1197 Which one was who?
@@stephenendsor3884 very true but I can assure you Shane is a nice guy !
Was born in Kent England 🏴
All his words were already used in his lyrics, leaving nothing left for conversation...
Mad that he had an Irish accent when singing but an English accent when speaking normally
Think of all the English singers that sang with an American accent....
Great artist but mot very interesting to listen to
Why do these things have to have music in the background 🙄
Why is it important to ask the man how important is being Irish to you? I think is a stupid question, is the kind of question Ryan Tuberty would ask .
Ah right so he was very much part of Britain too. Makes sense
British pop in the 80s was all Irish and 2nd generation Irish
didnt he go to Eton?
No, not Eton... He had a scholarship to Westminster School in London - a prestigious 'elite' public school (and by public, I mean in the UK sense: private/independent and not a state school). But he was expelled in his second year for possessing drugs.
@@chch_chris thanks for that, i find it hard to see him as a man of the people, him being from an elitist school
@@potdog1000 I get your point... But he won the scholarship at 15/16, it wasn't not like his parents were upper class and sent him there... From what I've read, he didn't fit in at all. Westminster was a world away from rural Tipperary. Apparently, he used to hang around with the rent boys in Soho and Piccadilly Circus.
I think Shane MacGowan was very much a man of the people - look at his life as an adult, his career in and after the Pogues. That's not an affectation. (And for getting expelled from an elitist institution he disliked)
If you were to say legendary DJ John Peel wasn’t a man of the people, I’d agree. (And Peel remains a hero of mine) Peel was from privilege - he went to Shrewsbury (another top school; Michael Palin went there) and affected his Liverpool-cross-Midland accent
@@chch_chris thanks for that i stand corrected, BTW Pogues is a shortened version of Pogue ma h( excuse the spelling) which i am lead to believe means kiss my arse lol BTW i am not being sarcastic
He is a fine example of a public school boy from Royal Tunbridge Wells
What a life he’s had, clearly an intelligent man just addled by alcohol
😂
he got there on a scholarship! if hes family were part of the old boys he wouldn't have kicked out he would have been protected as that's how those circles work. i know a joke but his family were middle class and nothing more.
What difference does it make that he is middle class, doesn't paint full picture of his life
I'm elves and faeries 🍀🇮🇪🥊🍀🌙🥊
Never even knew he was English
A real human being who writes great songs about being a real human being gets interviewed by a human being turned into a plastic journalist thing
To all the children arguing about his nationality why don't you just let him decide? He would probably describe himself as an Irish Londoner back at this time. Get over it
Arguing about nationality? Born in England = English .... am I missing a point somewhere?
@@mcloving6989 born and brought up in england to irish parents had he been brought up in ireland he would be speaking irish...he lived in london england..You wouldnt be chinese born to english parents in china would you ..
@@gillianbarker2663 no but you'd be welcome to identify as both because culturally, you'd be pretty chinese. Lol.
@@gillianbarker2663 Born in China = Chinese, its not even up for debate lol
He's definitely Irish, that's his ethnicity. Just because you were born in a stable it doesn't make you a horse.
He was okay, but he was no Dubliners.
I flick me ash on the fecking floor...whatcha gonna do bout it.
Half doped???
Fully doped
I have no idea what he's saying.
Never forgot where he was from, knew who his people were.
England?
IRISH.CARNEY NENAGH CO.TIPPERARY
He’s from Kent though! He’s as English as they come! 😂🤣💀
Oh, shut up, you really are becoming so boring. Yes, very good, you know where he was born. Are you coping with a mental age of 12, or are you just somewhere on the autistic spectrum? Or just a cnut? Whatever the answer, it's a rhetorical question, muppet. Jog on.
@@paulhamj6175 and your mental age is?
Jesus I felt that load of coke going down his Gregory 🥳
Me too bud 😂😂
Wow some lump of Lemo went down his throat there ! 👀👃🤜👍
@@jimmorrison3756 lemo haven't heard that in years 😂😂😂😂👌
@@jimmorrison3756 lemon barley 🥳
He looks like lead singer of viagra boys or rather vice versa
he looks about as irish as phil spector
hes 100 percent
He is as Irish as St Patrick ( who was from Wales ) !
@@leahflower9924inbred?
And Rod Stewpot
He wasn’t Irish when he used to wear his Union Jack suit while a sex pistols fan
i dont know about you.,. but for me… that settles that
He was from an Irish background but you would never have had the Pogues if it hadn't been for punk rock, and Shane was lucky enough to have been in the middle of it in London. right place right time.
Sounds like he's not too keen on being classed as Irish . Seems like an uncomfortable topic for him.
In them days being Irish wasn't as cool as it is now. Shane love's being Irish obviously but has received beatings for it in England as alot of Irish youth did in the old days.
@@charlescarver2623 just listen to "old main drag"
@@charlescarver2623he’s proud to be a Londoner too… why wouldn’t he be? Irish people always wanting everyone to say “we love you we love you you’re the bestest”
An London is now Muslim 🤣🤣🤣🤣fkn pussy let your country get taken over by
On deaths door in his twenties
How the eff can that be true when he lived to 65? You dont half talk some shyte pal.
Great teeth.
Bloody stupid row in the background.
Steaming
u wot m8
How did he not die of sepsis from the rot in his mouth. His poor mum had to be heartbroken from all the booze, drugs, and dental decay.
You still stick to them words speaking of the dead ya ?
he's eloquent isn't he, you know what I mean