Powder Coated Bullet "ADVANTAGE" Why Do It???
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- WHY POWDER COATED BULLETS!!!??? Shoot safer, Cleaner, No leading, Shoot faster, Shoot more, No expensive lubing equipment..., No Expensive Gas Checks! No mess... And No Problem. : )
In case anyone else is wonder when he actually gets to the point, here ya go - 9:15
You are a gentleman and a scholar. Thankyou sir.
Seriously.
D. Van V. Thanks
thx i was wondering same thing
Use a clout nail in the bag of a bullet instead of a gas check
It is a privilege (and a bunch of fun) to be allowed to hang out in your reloading room and listen to all of the new and exciting information that you have discovered about powder coated bullets. Thanks
Personally I think the data and videos you have provided to the community are priceless. Furthermore I feel very grateful for the education you've provided to me personally. I can not state that enough. Elvis Ammo, you're triple A+ rated in my opinion! Thanks for sharing your work with us all Elvis! You give awesomeness another dimension!
Thank ya John Doe!!! : ) I sure appreciate having ya around!
Yes I completely agree with Elvis instructions my knowledge on reloading has been super charged. To a 10 year veteran of reloading level I know things that I have tested and I know work. That I talk about with veterans of the hobby that have 0 knowledge of. Sometimes these older guys get mad at that but I say instead of getting mad listen learn and up your skills. Or just watch a few videos that Elvis has done.
Unbelievable. I've got from a complete novice buying boxes of Blazer, to feeling very confident about dropping real money on reloading gear.
Your videos are stellar, friend. I appreciate and respect you for taking the time to share your reloading wisdom.
hey Gregory Towers.... that right my friend.... so easy even a cave man can do it...and even a cat! : )....Happy New Years.... And Happy Casting!
I used to solely Tumble lube bullets. After I started powdercoating I will never go back.
As far as data I load the a bit warmer than cast but not quite fmj velocity. But I have recently started pushing 9mm powdercoated 125 grain out of a AR at fmj velocity with 0 buildup or fouling. This was with Eastwood black,16bhn, and roughly 600 rds.
With traditional Tumble lube I wouldn't be able to do half that without having to tear down and clean
It's actually easy to get to the point and make it more understandable. Thanks
For load data just use the data from regular lube bullets. The pressures are well within safety limits. Thanks
Not to mention you can just use jacketed bullet data. Cast bullets have less friction than jacketed bullets so jacketed bullet max data is often well below the pressure limits. Most publishers like LEE post data well below the pressure limits of cast bullets because it is the typical accuracy limits (Lee wrote a lot about his theory on how pressure and cast bullet accuracy are related). Many handloaders mistakenly think these are pressure limits when they are not.
@@DaveSmith-cp5kj thats interesting
I'll give my nutshell opinion. Jacketed bullets are great, but are about the most expensive bullets you can buy, and my range no longer allows them when shooting steel targets after one range officer took a trip to the ER after getting hit with a bullet jacket. Plated bullets, in my experience are tempermental - you will get huge groups if you don't flare the case mouth enough or the crimp cuts into the plating. Lubed cast lead bullets are fine and cheap, but if you rapid fire, you'll end up standing in a cloud of nasty acrid smoke, especially if you use a hot-burning powder like TiteGroup. Powder coating adds a little cost over cast bullets, but you don't get as much smoke, and I get 50 extra feet per second, plus you can use them in polygonal barrels without lead buildup in most cases. Coated bullets are kind of the best compromise.
hey Suburban... Very nicely said! Great break down... im glad you commented......
Thank you for your straight to the point response.... It's what I was looking for.
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I have been shooting coated bollits since 2012 , but since they were cheap I never looked into the process of casting and coating. Well now in 2024 I finally did and I casted and coated my first batch with 45-70 and 10mm. They came out pretty good. Accuracy testing and chrono tomorrow! Thanks for all your advice and tips Elvis Ammo!!! 😬
Elvis, Very good videos - they are fun to watch. I like the chickens in the background. I watched the powder coating 20 minute video where you heat the bullets for 4 minutes at 140 then apply the powder coat and bake at 400 for 20 minutes. That process works great. I offer a small wrinkle to speed up the batch processing. I use a second wire rack with a second 200 bullets and placed it on top of the toaster while the first batch was baking at 400. It is hot up there. I checked the temperature until they reached 140 (about 8 minutes) and then powder coated them so they were ready for the end of batch 1 and without missing a beat started batch two. That worked great. Tom
Bore leading is why I'm interested in powder coating. Specifically loading for CZ-52 7.62v25 Tokarev & 7.62x39. Theat require higher velocity loads. Great videos Elvis.
Another great video! I have just started PC bullets. I had some hit and miss results with the vibratory tumbler method, the PC would not stick even after 3+ hours in the tumbler. I now have perfect and repeatable results by, first heating the bullets at 150 for 10 min then dropping them in to the running vibratory tumbler and run it for 10ish min. By doing it this way I end up with a bullet that has a a very durable dry layer of PC on it that won't come off even with very aggressive shaking. I have even dropped one on the floor and the dry coating was fine. Thank for all the awesome videos!
hey josephhomen... Thats great that you found a solution and didn't give up .... thats how we roll! Happy New Years!
When i was a new loader , early 70's, I was told gas checks were used to keep from melting the base of the bullet.
loaded 223 powder coated bullets with lee 55 grain cast bullets and 25 grains win 748 and i love them .acurate and function fine in my ar. cant wait to see how they do on coyotes this winter. I ve been looking for a bullet for my ar that expands at a lower velocity to avoid ruining hides. i will let you know how they work
thanks jeff mikula.... can't wait to hear back!!!
Thank you Elvis. You have been a big help to me! Your channel is one of the best classrooms I've been in.
Hi Elvis
Curing of powder Coating is a compromise time VS temperature
A powder Coating first melt around 100-120 then cures above 160 - 170 depending on the powder.
There is no way that the Coating be cured at 120 if it has to cure at 200. Even with a longer curing time.
That is why when you pass in the oven few minutes at very low temperature the Coating is not hard and the bullets can easily be splitted when attached together.
You can find on the market high reactive powders curing at 130 for 10 minutes (object temperature).
Check at Protech for example.
Cheers
One possible disadvantage to shooting without a gsd check is as you note, some damage to the base of the bullet from powder. We need to remember that the base of the bullet is what steers it when it leaves the muzzle. Nose damage will have very little effect on accuracy but even slight damage to the base WILL degrade accuracy. So the big ? is how accurate do we want our loads to be?
Was curious about powder coating, so watched your other video on how to, and now this video. Safe to say, most of my concerns have been answered. Thanks for the well put together videos.👍
The powder coat missing from the bullets and assumed to have lost powder coat in barrel may have been lost hitting backstop. It has appearance of barrel scraping but just happens to hit backstop (dirt, whatever) and scraps off at impact. Fact would be that we don't know where the powder coat was lost.
I shoot high power air rifles and powder coated bullets help quite a bit to bring up the velocity.
I use color to differentiate between loads. I currently use red for most loads, and if I load the same bullet/same caliber with a lighter load, I use blue. One example - I load the same bullet for a top end 38 spl +P, and a bottom end 38 spl. The +P is red, and the mouse fart load is blue. I've considered using a third color for any middle of the road load, but haven't actually needed that yet. If I do, it will probably be green.
Thanks for the great videos!
They sell gas check die punches that you can install in your reloading press. Give or take they are expensive usually sitting at around $100 (picked up a 30 cal for $110), but you can take aluminum soda cans and punch your own gas checks at home. I'm definitely going to try both methods of PC and plain home made gas checks. I'd personally go with both and see what gives you the best results. I do like all of the colors you can get with PC and I'm thinking of making my casts purple because why not.
Lmao this guy is higher than a kite!!!
LOL OMG he's way more baked than his own bullets 😂
HoWieS HoUsE Yeah, high on playing with his blaster[s] and years of uncoated lead bullet smoke? His research is pretty impeccable. His No Bull Ship, laid back style is great. High or not, his work is appreciated. I only worry when he does stuff without eye protection. Blind shooters are usually not the most accurate. I still don't believe he stole that HI-POINT carbine in another video from some ape on a horse like he claims. Pretty sure he was high that day! White Lightning or what Steve Earl grew up Copperhead Road, I'm not sure. Don't matter the content is what is sweet.
Sorry, Elvis I just don't buy the Ape story.
To me he looks wasted
Elvis is a good guy. he is ahead of his time. he keeps pushing his P.C. bullets to become the norm............
I’m glad I’m not the only one who thought this.
just getting into reloading and this was a great help as to what to do or not to do with powder coat and sizing, thanks
Excellent video. Great info and examples on your vids. Thanks very much for what you do. Helps us who are just learning and have tons of questions.
great point regarding the gas check. Three reasons I reload, 1: it's fun, 2: I control quality of my ammo, 3: cost..
2017 I'll start casting my own, you're tutorial videos will deff come in handy. Thanka and Happy New year's to all.
Hey Aaron Arellano.... all good reasons ! Happy casting to ya my friend, Let me know if I can help!!! Happy New Year!
Thanks Elvis from New Zealand. You have been a great help. Could you please advise the lead hardness more often in estimated Bhn when discussing bullets and rounds. This is the main sticking point for beginners. Your rule of thumb of a bhn 4 to 5 lower than the fps is a major key and only found it in the comments. Was always unsure of how hard I could push the powder coated bullets. Thanks again Mike
Elvis - It seems like you skipped over one of the most fundamental advantages - cost savings over jacketed or plated bullets. You gave us another great vide with many useful ideas. Thank you.
Took the plunge to date I have made 150 308 round nose getting ready to powder coat them next week love the videos they are very helpful so glad you posted these videos I already subscribed to your chanel shoot straight sir God Bless
You should publish a book with powder coated cast data. You would make millions
Its the white powdery lead oxide, or fumes when casting that's to use caution with. People been reloading since round ball muzzleloader days and living to a ripe old age. Just wash your hands afterwards.
Yes I definitely agree I’m getting EXCELLENT accuracy from my Ruger Security six 4” 38 and 357 158gr SWC and 158gr RN powder coated bullets 25+ yards easy to hit a 8” circle 0 leading issues and I’m not a veteran reloader I personally have been collecting all my tools over the past 3 years finally with the ammo shortage I purchased my components such as primers powder and lead I bought 4 manuals including the Lyman cast reloading manual and just followed the data and Elvis ammo instructions easy peezy now I have quite a bit of ammo stashed away that I know is very capable
Good stuff Elvis, thank you🇺🇸
hey Way2go Rule. .. thanks for taking the time to comment! Happy New Year
He said "I made some bullet points on the wall." ... no pun intended.
elvis, I love this channel! you taught me a lot ,thanks tref
hey tref 101... thanks for watching and letting me know how I'm doing! !!!
Grate video and information thanks
Appreciate all the information thanks
They are very pretty!! As a tradition person, I still don’t see any advantage. Let’s see some 50 yard groups smaller than regular cast bullets.
I use to spry pam cooking oil on the bullet and them let it dry for a week or to before i shoot them
A very interesting video, please keep them coming.
Hey Elvis Ammo. Great explanation on pc bullets. Another good reason to shoot cast PC'D bullets is the fact that you don't have to pour down harsh copper eraser agents in your barrel as often that's another plus! I ended up making a video of cast PC 223 bullets shooting at 280 yards and the after math of 430 rounds thanks to your videos. Need some tips in getting W748 to work for me. Also has anyone tried NOE HTC 60gr 225 bullets? They are designed for PC
In my hands, coated .410 shotgun slugs are far less accurate than un-coated...twice the group size...they just don’t seem to leave the barrel in line with the target. The holes are perfectly round...no sign of tumbling.The only advantage I see is in touching less lead in the re-loading, maybe less fouling of the bore. I probably handle bare lead more in the coating than in the reloading, so no gain there. J.
Great video! Going to test a bunch of new powder coated loads this morning! First ladder loads for the AR .223, some .380, a couple new 9mm loads, a .300 savage load with the lee .312-160tl sized to .309, and a lee 312-185 in 7.62x39! After watching you and fortunecookie45lc I was sold. Really enjoying casting coating and shooting!
You bring up an excellent point on data Elvis........I always go to the jacketed soft point data for the lever guns........I think the first time out I flipped a coin on where to go but I consider the coating as a jacket and have never had problems. I shoot nothing but powder coated bullets in my 44 mag levergun and it has never had any leading in the barrel. Your vids are definitely educational for loaders of all experience levels. Keep up the great work.
hey BPCR Bigginer... Like you said ... Just knowing where a safe place to start is... all fun after that! Thanks for taking the time to comment and Happy New Year my friend!
Happy New Year Elvis........did you get a chance to catch my 38-55 review? I am heading to the range this morning to compare my cast lead bullets to my powder coated loads.
one of the hardest video's to watch ... wow .. just get to the point ..
Billy Knippers theres many videos, articles, and forum discussions on the topic. Some people like a slow paced video some some like how the guy talks and explains things.
So true... Lol
Hello Elvis! Happy New Year! Couple of things. My brother shoots 32-20, and as many know there were two loads for it. One was clearly marked "rifle only", so that it wasn't used in handguns. He uses Nickel plated cases for his rifle loads, and brass cases for his revolver loads. So, clearly, color coding loads is a workable approach.
Regarding gas checks, when I first started with your channel, I advised one commenter that gas checks shouldn't be needed with powder coating and explained that the purpose of gas checks was to allow for higher velocities without leading the barrel. Military 5.56 ammo averages 3000 to 3400 fps from a 20 inch barrel with bullet weights of 55 to 62 grains. Heavier bullets are slower than that. Also the powder coating is essentially functioning as a jacket.
Now, you mentioned achieveing 2800 fps with just powder coating. I'm wondering now, if gas checks, just like before with cast bullets, could be used to achieve faster speeds - namely the above mentioned 3000 to 3400 fps with powder coated bullets, OR if they are still unnecessary? What do you think about this aspect?
hey Kirk Boswell .... good thinking on the nickel plated and brass,,,,, I don't really believe in just one good answer as you know... it's a bit of a lab when it comes to cast bullets,, I tested some ammo the other day, and compared gas checks to non gas checks. So when trying to go far and fast , it don't hurt to compare the differences. Most of the time I don't size 223. that seems to help in the bullet fit department. We can have plinking loads and high performance rounds. A gas check could help maybe on the high performance....?
elvis ammo - I'll anticipate seeing that video! 😁
BTW, I had to click on that stupid bell to be notified when you had a new video. Just subscribing isn't apparently enough anymore.......
+Kirk Boswell yea I just learned about the bell myself! funny huh..... waiting for the bell to ring! !!; )
Kirk, thank you so much for typing about the "stupid bell". I was wondering why the heck I don't get notifications any more about new videos from subscribed channels. Now, hopefully I can go back to getting them in e-mail shortly after the awesome people like Elvis post them.
Mise en Place - you're welcome.
Missing powder coat could simply be the method of resizing the bullet after powder coating making the powder coat a little thinner over the driving bands
P.s. love your work Elvis
I'm glad I switched to powder coating, cuts the smoke down. Especially on indoor range. What are some other powder coating powders other than HF
Hey trees.... you should try Eastwood Ford Light Blue. you can even turn your brain off while using it! (a no brainer) : ) Happiest of New Years to You and Your Wife....... God Bless
One of the indoor ranges I use to go to in Florida did not allow non-jacketed bullets to be shot on their range with the exception of 22's. They said it was primarily because bare lead bullets would sometimes stick to their backstop/bullet trap, and they were afraid of it causing backsplash or ricochets. I wonder how well powder coat prevents the lead from clinging to metal backstops and or targets.
The problem is not the velocity as bama states, He has gotten his up to 3000 plus feet per second. The problem is accuracy. And that is the quest for the Holy Grail of powder coated rifle bullets. Gas checks are a tricky subject. According to the forms on the subject. People with better tool making knowledge than me have had to make there own gas check dies. Since Our gas check don't go on perfectly in the commerical dies they lead to bullets out of concentricity and so a less accurate bullet. My custom bullet mold is a non-gas check mold for that reason. So gas check can lead to accuracy problems.
hey Vengenace Early. ..yea I agree with you on the checks subject. . and yes accuracy over distance is the holy grail. . that's what we are going for! that's how these things get done.. we keep working. ... we are doing pretty darn good over all!
Elvis...Thanks for the video 😊...as info to anyone looking to start powder coating, Amazon has Ford light blue (it might be listed as “Henry’s Light Blue”...the powder I received Ford Light Blue) powder for $13.99 per pound with free shipping with Prime shipped directly from Eastwood.
Hey Elvis, Great video, thanks for all the knowledge and the sweat and hard work that you share with us. Helps more than you will ever know. Keep up the great work and thanks again, Rodney
thanks again Rodney Hardee... Thankyou for all your comments and questions.... my pleasure !!!!
elvis - excellent video from elvis ammo on this subject...watched it twice from beginning to end. And your work with gel and recovered bullets is extremely valuable. There are lots of PC bullets going downrange at our range, and I'm going to try harder to recover some bullets that have hit our armor plate backstops - you would think that I would have seen some from my range scrap. But thanks to your data, we have that for all to see...Happy New Year to ya..!! FC Steve
Thank you Mr Fortune Cookie! I don't know how many times I've looked through your videos over the year, To learn something new, to refresh my memory, To check out your style. Or to simply be entertained! Thanks for all you do! It is just now a new year here , while it is more than a couple of hours away for you! I'll tell ya you got something to look foreword to..... It's gonna be a good one! : ) Happy New Years my good friend!
I've used Teflon coatings for many years , It's not just for Chinese Woks and frying pans . Gettum'
i had the experence of powder missing from my 22 hornet bullets. i found the cause. the case neck was too tight when i loading the bullet it was scraping the powder off.
Great video elvis.. Love revolver's and shooting cast bullets... Hate leading with a passion , but this is the ticket...Will
not powder coat my self but will purchase powder coated bullets .. Thanks
I started reloading because of powder coating options, because reloading equipment is expensive and if you have to lube that one more tool to get ( lubesizer )
Elvis Ammo, this video , which I just came across today, answers numerous questions that I had and posted on the" Cast Boolits" forum just this past week.
ONE question that I have , which I think you touched on, but I want to be certain - " Can a soft lead alloy be used if powder coated which would allow for better / greater expansion of the bullet upon impact while reducing / eliminating barrel leading ? "
I have alloys which when tested with the Lee Hardness Tester registered BHN's of 6.0, 7.4 and 8.7 in addition to harder alloys which tested in the 14.3, 17.9 and 19.3 ranges.
I would like to cast for the 9mm using the softer alloys and PCing using paint from " The Powder Coat Store " which they claim has a BHN of 22 when cured for 10 min @ 400*F.
As usual your videos are treasure troves of information, and I wanted to say a most sincere " Thank You " for sharing your knowledge.
Hey Elvis! Happy New Year! I love all your videos and now load exclusively pc bullets. Didn't know what we were missing. Thanks for all your knowledge and keep them coming.
hey Steel Punisher 69... glad you chimed in... it is contagious! thanks for watching! Happy New Year. .
my god i give up, 15 min and now your talking about gas checks..... smoke another joint! lol
Hahaa you said “bullit points”😎 Btw is melting down a hardened powder coated bullet hard or any disadvantages or is it just like pulling regular slag from a mix. I ask because I saw the one bullet you showed that you melted with a torch and wondered if it just melted into itself would it change the composition of the lead any if at all. Thank you great vids you’re brilliant ✨
PC provides less resistance traveling through the bore/barrel with its slick surface and its definitely a softer material than a copper jacketed one swaging its way down the barrel . Longer barrel life may result . I usually start my PC load testing with as similar a jacketed bullet as I can find and work up also .
Happy new year to ya Elvis Ammo! Thanks for another good video.
thanks C Delo. ..I should have added that longer barrel life may result! good one! Happy New Year!
Hey Elvis. Just discovered you and Fortune Cookie here on You Tube. Figures that it would be the eleventh hour for reloading videos. I guess that it is time to regroup for all of us like minded people and find a home of our own on the internet. I am fairly new to computers as well. Anyway, your videos are top notch and i have learned so much. Don't give up. Keep fighting the good fight and God Bless ya brother.
I do powder coat to cut down on leading my barrel. Hard to clean if just sized and waxed lots of lead.
i thought you wanted to talk about powder coating but your rambling on about lubing??
I recently learned after casting several hundred high power 357 magnum loads with Book velocities of 1900 ft./sThat not all bullets are created equal. And my leg cast bullets will now have to be disassembled since their velocities Max out I’m guessing around 1300 ft./s
Guessing kinda sucks.
Great info. - thanks
10 min. into this video and you still not telling why you powder coat???
Hahahahahahahahahahaha!!
Well, if you didn’t pay attention to anything in the video (probably your head is a dense as the lead) the reason *why* is because there are no disadvantages to powder coating besides adding a couple extra steps to the bullet making process.
Take a shot every time he says 'you know' and you do know.
You know vodka bottles simply are not that big YOU KNOW
Problem with powder coated bullet data is consitanse and liability for the manufacturer that provides the data not everyone powder coats the same and same thickness.
Thanks again.
This is 5 years ago, but I have tried hard to find out at what point do you know you have reached the max load as you are working them up? If you have covered it here or some where else I have missed it please guide me to it. I well be looking for it. I am very new still collecting my equipment trying to get it right. Thank you so much for all you have taught me the last couple months.
I am about to try this out for the first time. Before I take the plunge can you answer this please.....IF, after I finish the first session I find I got it wrong how do you recover the bullets. Do you melt then down, skim off the coloured dross and re-cast or is there another, less drastic way to recover the bullets? I am coating .312 for my SMLE.
All I got out of this video is that the powder coat stays on, you don’t need a gas check, you can see rifling and almost tell the kind of powder. You should already know that if it’s your gun! What’s the real reasons?
I powder coat my bullets the only difference is that I coat my bullets after casting them while their still hot from casting, running about 100 rounds give them the time to cool down.
hey manlymoe bryant... that sounds like a winner... But it also would put me to doing two things at one time..... Impossible! : ) good shooting to ya!
great video SIR!
Hay theTIVANshow.... Happy New Year!!!!! Barrels that shoot Powder coated Bullets are probably more likely to have a longer life, Because there is less friction.... that's what we believe... Another forgot to mention in the video! (advantage) Hope you have the best year ever!!!!
Mate you should have a big jar of Smarties or Skittles on the shelf in the background to match the general vibe :)
I like it Nik... Great idea! : )
Do you get Jubes in the U.S.? I'm thinking jars going .223, .308, Jubes, Skittles, 9mm, peanut M&M's, 10mm :D
On another subject mate on another video you have .223 projectiles at 2500 f/s. If I remember correctly they were 55 grain. Is this just for target shooting? Or do you feel they have enough energy for hunting also (keeping in mind you might need to be extra careful with shot placement)? Would you perhaps use a heavier projectile for hunting to somewhat offset the lower top speed?
Sorry if any of that is a silly question. Thanks for the videos.
No smoke and no smell with powder coated bullets. They are great with suppressed firearms because it doesn't foul the baffles like plated bullets.
i like the way you talk on all your videos. great voice,you speak well and look good too..and no im not gay lol
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The look good part. Made the comment gay, js.
it would be interesting to see it leave the barrel in slow-mo to see if the coating holds up ? awesome vidieos keep up the good work 👍
Gee and I've been doing because I liked all the pretty colors.
Hello, thank you for your videos! Did I understand that correctly? I use FMJ as the basis for my load? Ask for a short answer. Thank you and regards from Austria Markus
hello elvis , a factor called centrifugal force,can remove under certain circumstances the coating when its not at ful adhesive strenght ,same happens sometimes with thin wall jackets , when they shot over the advised speed . for example a 22 magnum rf bullet out of a 223 , happy newyear to ya
Thanks again Peteralexben.... for your contributions to the subject... Happy new Year to you!
Man I have to tell you, you are one of the nicest people I have never met😀. Between yourself, FC45LC, JRB and many many more I have built great confidence in reloading. Thanks a ton my friend. So let me get this straight.....if I powder coat, I don't have to necessarily harden my alloy with linotype or use gas checks? I currently have a good stash of lead and cast some projectiles for 30-30 Win. that I haven't loaded or shot any yet. With the Lee hardness testing tools I have checked many and they seem to be on average of 10.4 to 11 bhn. What are your thoughts? Thanks, love all your videos, keep em' coming my friend.
Just starting out with bullet making. Is there anything special you have to do or can you make a video of melting down powder coated bullets.thanks
Just melt it like any bullet. The coat will disintegrate into the dross.
Hey Buddy. Good Video, I like how you didn't go out like you were starting a war over Traditional Lubing over powder coating. The difference is small when compared to each other. also,,, You don't need Gas checks even with traditional lube bullets, I have tried them and they shot just fine without them with no leading or additional fowling. they provide a flat base for release from the crown of the mussel when shooting over long distances, Over 200 yards with a pistol and that type of thing. anyway, One thing that has been on my mind is, When you water drop your bullets, does heating them back up to powder coat them change the hardness taking out their temper from water dropping them? Dave.
hey Thorsaxe777 I like casting and shooting however I can coat them #1.... I just prefer powder coat coatings. ... ; ) Yea the reheating seems to be a subject for sure... I need to do some more testing for a good answer on that. .. But I haven't had any issue at all so it hasn't been on the radar for things to test... But it is an unanswered question we would like to know. .... your not the only one that has asked about it. .... Happy New Year my friend. ... God bless you and your channel! !!!! ; )
Thorsaxe777 I'm also curious what sitting in the toaster oven does to the hardness. I often water drop my bullets from the mold, and I also usually drop the bullets in the water bucket when coming out of the oven. This allows me to grab my freshly powder coated bullets moments after they are baked. Lots of things to consider...
I just let mine cool in the ambient air, I have a few theory's however nothing scientific about Heat and cooling for the material. Lead hardens with age and Yes you can make bullets harder with water dropping them. However I feel that above 16 bhn is as hard as they need to be for Magnum Pistol and above 20 bhn is plenty for rifle applications. The material needs to be soft enough to Obdurate within the Barrel to get good accuracy. we size our bullets 1-2 thousands above bore diameter for that reason. However the bullet needs to expand under pressure behind the bullet to make a solid seal. Like I said. I have theory's and opinions about this subject. I add antimony and Tin,, Tin being a gliding metal and antimony being what makes the bullet hard and adjust my material to the hardness that I want for the speed I'm shooting the bullet at. anyway, Good shooting to ya, Dave
I don't disagree. I usually end up water dropping because I have found it to be convenient, and the increased hardness has not caused any issues. I would air cool and pay particular attention to my alloy if I were casting for an intended target other than paper/cardboard. I would probably try to keep anything up to 1,000 fps around 8 bhn, the Magnum loads around 12 bhn, and a bit higher for the rifles.
There is an outstanding discussion of hardness and alloys in the Fryxell/Applegate book, "From Ingot to Target: A Cast Bullet Guide for Handgunners" (www.lasc.us/Fryxell_Book_Contents.htm). I would recommend this book for anyone that casts lead, and the entire book is online and free.
It's all just theory until you pull the trigger...
I forget who it was, but I saw another powder coating video where he water dropped after coating. It made them separate nicely, and they looked fine. I'm wondering how it affected bhn over air cooling. I would think it would add a little. Check out what lasc has to say about using a convection oven www.lasc.us/heattreat.htm. They do make convection toaster ovens.
Have you thought about copper plating cast bullets? I seen a few videos on how to do it but me personally i like the simplicity of powder coating
Hey Jose Guzman.. I might do it one of these days.. The PC is simple!!
Hi elvis ammo. Do you have to size the lee cast 224 cal bullets or can we just cast, powder coat then re load hope you can help kind regards Mike bagnall
hi folks, I'm having an issue where after powder coating the bullets are having a hard time squeezing into the sizing die.... Lee 9 mm. 356-120 mold.... thank you.
Will powder coating prevent leading using softer lead on the 9mm? I get free range scrap @ 9 bhn. Many 9mm pistols have oversized bores. If the powder coating works as a jacket, bore dia shouldn't make a difference. Thanks
Have there been any studies on powder coated bullets and barrel erosion? Wondering if it may lead to premature barrel wear. I have not seen a study on that is the only reason I have not tried it yet.
No more pan or tumble lubing after my first batch of Harbor Freight red coated powder coated bullets.
great vid elvis all great points and because for 20cent a round my 308ar10 can stretch out to 600yds with no leading nuff said i have experimented with the 308 and the gas checks get more velocity without leading ,although the leading isnt bad just dont want it in my gas system, and more accurate at those velocities. the 556 im in the middle of testing but i have to drop the 308 powder charge by 30percent to get the same 1-1.5" groups at 100yds so as far as the 308 in my ar10 with that bullet it needs the check to get way out there its at 11fps standard deviation
hey there the baddest. .... man them some nice numbers! wow! good job! what mold you use?
hey the new bullets are the little green things sitting in front of the tray of colored bullets ! I know that's evil... ; ) I'm working on them! stay tuned. ... hope it's good news....
lee 200g they call it 309-200 seated deep 2.625 so itll function 100%
Could the powder rub off in the target? Or in the dirt when it hits the ground? Maybe it didn't rub off in a barrel at all...
Hello, good afternoon, I just started doing my first powder coating but I don't know if before putting the bullets in the Lee Sizing Die I need to lubricate my bullets or not, if I need to lubricate them, could you tell me what lubricant I can use please.
I would greatly appreciate your support and your experience.
Thank you
Would there be a benefit to powder coat slugs or buckshot
Elvis - I'm just learning about this, and am very interested. I am wondering if your molds are undersized to compensate for the thickness of the powder coat?
You size after powder coating the bullet will with or without coating lengthen very slightly.
Do you have to use gas checks with powder coated bullets
Miss your videos
Great video. Question can you reuse the bullets you dig up melting it back down.
Ive used tumble lube for years in my guns and no problem but i want to cast up more rifle bullets for 300 blk 450 bushmaster my Enfields and mausers most of the bullet price have been jumping so im just going to cast like i do my handguns