brushing CHEAP concrete onto a gravel driveway (adding strength and resilience)
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We had this done on our long driveway about 3 years ago and it’s held up great! No ruts or potholes. A little dusty when it’s dry but cheaper than paved.
Did they simply fill any pot holes with aggregate and compact? Then sweep over with concrete as in this video? I find it hard to believe that such a simple method lasts - you’re help would be greatly appreciated.
I’d also like a reply on that
me too
@@123prestolee I've spread concrete out similarly, not on purpose, but a bag fell and broke... it was too thin and simply busted up after being driven over
I've never seen anything so stupid
This is exactly what I’m looking for, great, to the point, demonstration.
We did this back home in India it only lasted a couple months because of driving agricultural equipment over it. I think it would be okay if it only received light vehicular traffic
We did similar with our gravel drive. It kept losing rock. We got bags of quick Crete and mixed with pebbles and the gravel. It rained a light shower. Now the driveway is hard and set!
Now two years later, are you still happy with the work? Has it held up nicely after driving over it for two years? TIA
@@garyshearer500 no way
I have a 1/4 mile gravel driveway, I fill pot holes with bags of concrete and find that it works better than adding more gravel.
@Kevin Byrne how long did you let it set before driving on it?
@@_mark009 concrete gets its ultimate strength after 28 days and gains more than 50% of strength after 7 days. I would suggest not driving on it for at least one day and you should be ok. If you use it for potholes you better have it on gravel not on normal fill because that may cause the same issue again.
@@abdullahn9827 thanks appreciate it. It's for a gravel driveway
I'm getting ready to do this...I thought it was brilliant 😍
I DID MY DRIVE WAY WICH IS 3/4 OF A MILE WIT A CONCRETE TRUCK WIT 10YRDS OF SCREENINGS WIT 6 SACKS OF PORTLAND CEMENT ADDED AT THE PLANT. ITS HARD A STEEL LOL
You people are BRILLIANT!!! I am making garden paths on my 4 acres with soil cement. I use the dollar cement a lot. Never thought to use it like this. Good thinking!
You got that right
Its similar to soilcreting, it doesn't set up like concrete normally will. It bonds and compacts the dirt. This is like what they do to prepare putting down asphalt streets on top of. It won't shatter or break. It will help with gravel drives.
GOD DARN SOMEBODY GOT TGE SENCE TO KNOW WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON ILL BUY YOU A CS OF URE FAVORITE DRINK BROTHER. GREAT ANSWER
Yup, soil stabilization! That’s what pays my bills
@@keithcronk7980THIS HOSS NOS WHATS IP
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May I just suggest that using a fertilizer machine with wheels place the powder concrete into the barrel that can be rolled onto your stones makes it a lot easier then you go over it with the sweeper. Making sure it's all level then use Garden hose on fan mist spray and slightly wet it down. 24-hours before driving on it.
amazing suggestion
not a safe way to handle Portland, lime your lungs would suffer.
@@popsoldboats3406 one should always wear a mask regardless of what equipment they're using no matter how big or small the job is. particles of particulate like that can destroy a person's lungs that's why many concrete workers have such horrible problems it's a topic that's not really discussed that often but should be. Just like anyone doing remodeling should also be warned about asbestos and its many forms even removal of popcorn ceilings can be loaded with asbestos. old AC ductwork in many addicts along with pipe wrap insulation for winter time. People should always have understanding of what they're working with that should always be prepared by wearing the proper equipment such as proper design mask and ventilation equipment. Also wearing gloves is very important too because those extreme fine particulates can also get into the skin pores. Proper eye protection as well because it can also get into the mucous membranes of the eyes not only causing eye problems but also lead to cancer.
Bet you wear a bike helmet….
@@Theryougo1
*Cancer and Brain Damage is no joke. Both kills intelligence and makes many idiots*
Dude you're a hero.
Doing this Tomorrow.
You sir
Have essentially made 2/3 of a Roman road.
Roman’s would add a layer of clay on top then very large flat stones to surface.
Good work dude for rediscovering a two thousand year old technique and sharing it to so many people.
Correct my friend
Why clay? Aggregate?
@@Screch drainage I believe
Roads back then were on a bit of a slope left and right to push water to the edges.
Clay enhanced the effectiveness.
Very nice....would have liked to see the end-product after it set-up.
We have a large patio area consisting of loose stones. This is EXACTLY what we have been talking about doing to firm up the surface to make pedestrian traffic easier.
My dad did this back in the 60s. He used a drop spreader to apply the dry concrete
Is it still holding up?
@@kimyatawilliams4588 it worked well until he had a garage built and moved the driveway
Thanks for this idea. Planning on doing this to make a small slab for my trailer to sit on. Simple and durable. Berri No-ICE.
I love this idea. I'm going to copy this and do this in my backyard parking
Bro I would have never in a million years tried something like this, but its a quick cheap solution to make the driveway useable until I do my asphalt paving next year. 👍
Thank you!! Will do this!!
Great idea! Thank you for sharing!
I wonder how it would be to use twice as much and work it in with a box scraper. Also a follow up video would be nice to see how well it really worked.
Trust me, it DIDN'T!
@@stlstreets1318 how do you know ?
Crushed limestone or a base stone powder would work better more flexible
+1. Great question. Also considering doing similar with quicklime or hydrated lime to prep almost 100% clay driveway and prepping pads for concrete that are 2-3 ft of fill.
@@johnoswald6192that will work . I have 100% clay here in the Carolinas. I’ve experimented with a few different methods. You can mix pure Portland cement into the clay or hydrated lime. The only problem I had was more clay covering up my test area after a hard rain. it was very hard though. You have to till
It in . There’s also a liquid thats for building roads out of clay or sand called K-31 but It’s expensive . It’s also on CZcams.
Thanks, this is next level!
Awesome Thank You, will definitely help.
Do yourself and favor and use some limestone screeining or use the correct 3/4 inch crush gravel when building your driveway. I see people use clear gravel far too often on their driveways. It has very little compaction.
I just love this, wish I had checked it out before it started getting cold. This is super, and will try it
I've wondered about this for YEARS! Thank you
Nice thanks for sharing this video with us.
Do you have part 2 of this to see the complete results?
Good idea! Thanks!
very, very helpful. thanks.
WOw, thanks for that, I have bit of a slope to the garden, with those small stones, and my motorbike is in a barn and is slippery on the stones going up the slope and down, + the rain washes it down. I think this will do the trick I hope! Only need about 2.5 meter wide and about 5 mtr long, Great idea.... I may mix a small amount of sharp sand in a barrow with it, tip and sweep.
This is smart, and I can tell you from experience, that this works very well.
Fabulous idea!
You made a helpful video I am learning something new
When all said and done you have just another gravel drive way . I totally see what your trying to get is a concrete or asphalt drive, but only a half inch thick ! Concrete is the best value there is in construction, if done correctly. If your trying to stretch your dollar, 3/4 of your labor is already there at the this point , rather that end up with something that doesn’t add value find a old mixer and just mix and place small appropriately size section of area or hard surface ? This will give you the flexibility of time and budget with a reasonable degree of planning and design you will get a structurally sound product with all the benefits of real equity . There are so many ways to make your project successful with stamping and colors , textures , acid stains overlays that were unavailable to the DIY not too many years ago. I’m semi retired concrete guy that has done everything the hard way most of my life and I’m not mocking anyone that is try to innovate or reinvent better wheel but the Romans got it right and a few millennia later and it’s pretty much done with Same methods and materials because it’s proven to be a product that will last . My last suggestion and most important. What ever you do …. The sub soil or material fill needs 95% compaction and there’s a ton of ways to get that because it’s only as strong as what is holding it up , ie good drainage or undisturbed soil it will fail if it holds water above the frost line .
But a concrete driveway raises taxes. I think this is more for someone just trying to get a bit more strength in areas on a budget.
@@headgieslife4177 that’s like saying I don’t like being paid over time $1.5x wage because of taxes or spend 50% less but replacing it 4 time as often
Should of just put pea gravel over it
There's some good tips here but I think everyone in the comments completely missed the point. This guy already had a gravel driveway and was simply looking to do something with it low cost that would help it hold up longer. He spent probably less than a hundred bucks on some torn up bags of cement and a weekend spreading it out. Overall it's not a bad idea for a problematic gravel drive way if you're not ready to pay tens of thousands for a new drive way. I think most people forget that some of us have country size driveways. For me in particular it would cost about 20k to put in a concrete driveway. A few trucks of gravel only costs about 1k. Bottom line everyone's best solution is gonna be different based on your needs.
@allensandven0 does drenching dirt count as compaction? 😅 I just dug up some dirt to put in a drain and then sloped the dirt leading to the drain. I plan do so something similar to what this guy did in my side yard that gets very light foot traffic and I drenched the soil after sloping it to ensure the water would flow the way I wanted it. Planning to do the cement and pea gravel tomorrow.
Thanks for sharing.
Nice I thought of this when I was a kid and everyone called me nuts. Our street was gravel and always had pits near each driveway especially ours on a corner. Spent hours a week with rake leveling it out and we had a bags of cement in garage .
I'd like to see what it looks like next year
I have done similar and its worked very well. my neighbour had some wet mix left over from a job so I spread it and used a vibrating whacker to push it down and level the stone but it was a wet mix . its well work a try!
BLESS YOU U KNOW WHATS GOING ON ALSO GREAT JOB YOUNG LADY
Well, thanks for showing us the finished product 2 weeks later!!
Did this in Az. but just around the edges...did exactly what I wanted.
Nice!!thanks good idea
Great idea 💯
WHAT A GREAT IDEA. THX U!
Exactly how I used to do it! Worked great... and then I bought a black truck...
@0:32 might want to add some concrete to those sneakers lol. Good Video
I think this is a great idea. A stone driveway is only as good as it’s compactability. If you don’t have enough fines mixed in with your stone, it’s not going to lock everything together and compact it. For those saying it’s all going to crack up, what’s there to crack? He’s not pouring a 1” slab on top of the stone. He’s literally sweeping the cement into the voids essentially creating fines you would normally get with crushed concrete or #60-10 limestone base material. The only thing that would make this work better would be to run a plate compactor to work the cement down and keep adding material to lick it in throughout the thickness. It’s never going to setup like concrete, but I do believe it will stabilize the stone and reduce washout, ruts and potholes.
You can also compact it right after hosing it down for ultimate strength, it should probably be like a cheap ashfault driveway
Important step
Ashfault….😂
I have a 1500ft gravel driveway w some wash out points. I don’t have 60k to blacktop it so this seems to be a great option to harden a solid road base in the hopes to prevent future washouts. I spread 3 loads of dense grade on top of established 57’s w number 2 under that and I have several spots washing out already. Thank you for the video!! Amazing, folks troll gravel driveway videos Lolol.
LOL!!! Gravel trolls!!!
I suggest 3yd truck of road mix.
I'll pave it for 54,000
@@kevinjamieson7899 Lol highest I’d go is 52
@@AB-rg9zm lol
Good idea!
Brilliant, thank you 😘
excellent
I’ve been wanting to do something like this to our driveway and under our carport. I hate the gravel and dust it creates. Is there an after video? I’d like to see what it looks like done and see how it’s held up?
Good idea
Nice job. Always good to see someone not having to smash the account to get a good result. I would hope though that people wear a quality mask or respirator when working with powder, that stuff is caustic and will burn your lungs out. Carcnagine as well.
i use a mix of laundry power pave set and sand applied using a drum siv
Has anyone tried mixing the gravel and concrete with decomposed granite? I'm wondering if it would be a good filler to get more coverage with the concrete, but wouldn't impact it's strength.
Awesome video, I will use this as an alternative to a concrete walkway in my backyard! Materials are cheap, and all the labor I can do myself for free!
I was quoted $16,000 for a concrete walkway in my yard!!😳
Think hard work comes cheap ?
How much did it end up costing you?
@@tyler1671the trades right now are ridiculously priced. Good for them, but it goes back to our trash government handing our loans to people who weren't ready to get degrees they wouldn't have gotten otherwise.
Left a scarcity of tradesmen and now people want 7bgrand for 2 days of work where the guy who set it up pockets 2k+ of that 😂
It's a Racket and again, good for the guys making money off it but the other bonus is its getting more and more people into learning it themselves.
You know, like 90% of our grandfather's did? 😂
@@tyler1671 $16K for a walkway? I've seen long driveways done for $10K. I guess it depends on where you live.
@@LoriCrabtree31 whoever did it for 10 owned all their own shit for 20 years and don't hsve to chsrge Mt cousin owns a tree company 40 years ago prices were high now he will cut a 5k job for 3k
GOOD VIDEO.
It always surprises me that this is not more widely known.
I've used Portland Cement to stabilize or strengthen aggregate driveways many times.
The way we would do it is to first completely scarify the driveway, then spread the Portland Cement using a broadcast spreader. You have to use a decent quality one, like an Agri-Fab, or you won't get a good pattern. It's not the brand, it's the construction of it and the manner in which the flow and broadcast is controlled.
Once the entire area was covered, we'd run the scarifier through the whole surface again to get it well blended, then compact the surface with a roller.
Important note on gravel surfaces: You HAVE to have a surface layer of well compacted small stones in the 0.5 - 1.5 inch range, or the surface won't have any protection from rain erosion.
My driveway gets washed away at least once a year. Or... it's not exactly 'my' driveway i mean where i rent. But the guy who owns the driveway just lets the gravel get washed out to the street because he's about to retire and move a couple years and says this is cheaper and he doesn't care to do more. He throws new gravel down then goes over it with the tractor to pack it down.
It's fine most of the time. But when he leaves, if I'm still renting here. I might want to figure out a way to keep the driveway from becoming a riverbed.
I'm looking for ideas now just in case
@@derealized797 -
This is what I suggest:
1. Rent a piece of equipment to completely break up and loosen the top few inches of the driveway. 3" or thereabouts is usually a good target. There's lot of ways to skin a cat, but you can always rent a skid steer with a toothed bucket. One of those DR Driveway Rakes won't get the job done, you need a bit more depth than they can give you. The smallest compact dozer at your rental place works well too.
2. If you have any potholes that go down more than the 3" you went down for the driveway as a whole, dig those out a bit deeper. You stop when you get to the bottom of the pothole or when you hit dirt/clay, whichever comes first.
3. Use the Skid Steer to smooth out the surface as best you can. Try to get it as smooth as you can mange. The material will start to pack down again as you work, which is fine. Think of it like spreading icing.
4. If the driveway surface isn't 2" above the surrounding grade, bring up the surface using a stone/dust mix. Use Limestone if it's available, and you want the whitest stone available in your area, because it has a higher calcium carbonate content and will be harder. The names for it vary from place to place, but you basically want the crushed stone from about 1" or so down to fines. Smooth that out and pack it down with the equipment you're using. 10 Tons per 1,000sqft should get you about an inch and a half of thickness.
5. Now you want to top it with #57 Limestone. That's stones in the 0.75" to 1.25" range. Basically the size of mixed grapes. Use 7 Tons per 1,000sqft. Spread that stuff out as evenly as you can manage. That's the wearing course and it protects the driveway from rain.
Three Notes: First, call a trucking company, not a stone yard. You'll pay a lot less. You may need to call around a bit before you find the right one, but the truckers pay well below retail and they tend to pass the savings on to you so they can get the gig. Second, get the stuff tailgated out as much as you can. It makes the "spread evenly" part easier. Third, the small the truck, the more you pay for stone. You get the best prices having it delivered in a 20 Ton load.
In fact, it's often cheaper to have a 20 Ton truck deliver 10 Tons, even with paying for the "empty" freight. YMMV
Once everything is in place and well spread out, go over it with a vibrating drum roller or a plate compactor. The plate compactor is more effective, but the riding roller is a helluvalot easier. The ones that have a 36" wide drum are the size of a riding lawn mower and you can rent them with a small trailer than you can pull with an SUV or pickup truck.
Pack it real well.
Then, keep after the weeds. If you have trees by the driveway, you need to use RoundUp or the generic equivalent. (Glyphosate). If you don't, you can use GroundClear or a similar weed killer that is more persistent.
My gravel driveway washes out with rain. We got a ton of rain since we live by the river. I was thinking of doing this but then a thin layer of hay or straw, wetting it between each layer, then another layer of mortar/cement wetting top layer again. Im thinking giving the cement fibers in between will help it stick together and not crack over time. Just a theory. I seen earth houses built with clay and hay fibers, and they held up for hundreds of years.
wish you made another video of how it turned out
I’m thinking this will be a broken up mess in no time
NO IT WERE WOUNT. YOU APPARENTLY DONT KNOW WHAT THE FLIP URE TALKING ABOUT IVE GOT 35+ YRS IN CONCRETE & PIPELINE S RAMROD.
Keith Cronk was that English?
Yes maybe but for $1 a bag you really can’t go wrong
I'm sure it's not a one and done solution but if you keep dumping cement into your wet spots eventually you're gonna have concrete lol
And dusty. The previous owners of last house had derivatives gravelled with recycled concrete. It broke down quickly into dust.
Decayed granite is far superior for this application but can be hard to get in some areas of the country and it looks much nicer
I did this on my driveway ambut way lighter and it has held up very nice so far. We have a incline approach to the road and we always loose gravel. Ill probably add a couple bags every year
i have a dedicated fertilizer spreader i use for my driveways.
Awesome
Heard of black tar dirt its awesome
You may laugh at what he did but, considering it will keep the dust down and yes it should keep the gravel from washing out as easily. Sure, it will break up over time but, it will add resilience for a few years.
Nonetheless a waste product of open random bags of concrete and a cheaper alternative to adding more and more gravel a win win win in my book
Rain will set up the Crete in the rock. Should be pretty strong afterwards. Good for drives and walkways
Would love an update, but particularly at the end of the driveway seems like a good way to keep dust down
It’s been working quite well, in fact, as I find bags of concrete that are torn for a dollar. I’ve been continuing to add them to other parts of the driveway. The driveway does not get washed out even when there’s quite a bit of rain. Hope this answer helps.👍
Awesome idea but you could of saved yourself serious time by not just dumping in one big pile then spreading it, you should have just notched a good hole in corner of bag and then spread it out by pouring it out evenly on the ground then touching it up with broom. Just food for thought on your next drive way 😉
My back couldn’t do that!
Yeah those bags are extremely heavy. Not a good idea to put your back in a positions of supporting the weight.
I will try this thanks. I doubt I will find cement as cheap in the UK though.. The last time I looked it was around 5 pounds a bag and I have a massive area to do.
He is buying broken bags. Stores sell them cheap. Usually $1 since nobody would buy them otherwise
@@dthorne4602 AMEN OR GET A SLURY MIX IN A CONCRETE TRUCK THEN POUR ALITTLE SPREED IT OUT THEN GO AGAIN TILL YOU FINISH. A YARD OF SLURY DONT REALLY COST THAT MUCH LOL
Ripped bags are the way to fly they usually have plastic bag to put them in.
Soooo smart
Helluva idea ! May of been done half the time&effort: Pouring 50lb bag out, what, every 2-3 ft to the garage. Where good 3/4 drive spread ready before even broke sweat yet. if you do,be considerably less taking half the effort working it down decline than incline. About half as fast too?
My gravel place sells ground up asphalt from roads. Spray a little diesel fuel on it in summer and roll over it.
This is a great idea 👌How is it doing now today?
I think it would last longer if you agitated the existing gravel before you dust the top with the portland and the mortar mix. But for a quick fix that will work for awhile
I actually didn't think of that, very clever idea
What’s agitate the existing gravel means in practicality???
Does that means wetting it before appplying the mortal mix?
@@Afuw41 no it means using some sort of mixing method like tilling the Portland into the gravel and base dirt to cause a bonding effect
This is cement stabilising of aggregate, alternatively can be done with lime. Doesn't last forever and breaks up eventually under any significant traffiicking, but can make a loose material less of a hazard. On sloping drives it can limit rainwater washout of fines from a subbase.
Thank you for the terminology. I wasn't sure how to Google this. ❤ This simple type of cementing is all I need for around my little cabin. I like to keep things low tech and simple.
Damn that’s a good idea
We need an updated video
How well is this holding up?
Is there an update video of what this looks like now? I'm curious as to if it did all break up
This is a great tip! can you make a few photos or a video of how it looks after it is dry?
I am sure it looks terrible lol 😂
@@Entrepreneurusa right? It looks terrible before it dries definitely the cheap route to take
100 percent Guarantee it's crumbled up. Wast of time, money and effort
It hapoened to me inadvertantly whent the concrete truck brought concrete to pour my house pad. Granted it was mixed concrete but it was no deeper than two inches and it still hasnt cracked. In cold ass weather or any other conditions. Cheap way out? Do yall understand how much concrete cost? I have a over 600' ft driveway i could buy a new vehicle for the prices ive been quoted. There is a balance point and anything is better than doing nothing., especially if you dont have a big driveway like i do. Why does everyone have to act like an expert when all they do is probably worked for a guy for a week before they found out it was hard work. In tgese times with a collapsing dollar that we muat be resourceful and conscious of our money.
@@stevensquires5329 well said
That shit is going to chip up into 1 million little concrete ninja stars
Oh no, I just finished doing this exact thing, DANG. You are a week too late. What do I do know. Rent a Jack hammer maybe?
@@furturisticfrontierfilms if you have it done already then you can wait it out, possibly seal over the top of it might buy you more time but yeah, it’s really just a concrete crust over the top that won’t hold on its own for long. I’d Jack hammer it all up and do it correctly if you can afford it.
@@furturisticfrontierfilms Just roll with it man. It'll be gravel again soon enough. If a piece sticks up that offends(sharp/pokey) break it up with a hammer.
@@bwoodard907 how do we do it correctly?
@@PlayshotKalo rebar and 3” of poured concrete with a 3-2-1 mix.
In commercial venue lots they throw 5/8 inch minus and tons of minus gravel and call it a day. Eventually packs down, is the same idea with cars driving over it without cracking.
Great tip, but I bet people driving by are thinking, wth is that guy sweeping his gravel driveway for?! 🤣😂
Did this end up holding very well??
best way to spread is to use a grass seeder spreader. then use a rake lightly over it.
They did this at my job and it’s a nightmare years later dust will go e everywhere
Good idea👍. How's it holding up?
Genius
Oh, ya. I have observed that when new sidewalks are being installed around town, as the old is being torn up it looked like it was similar to this idea, but apparently the old pour was a wet one over gravel with no rebar.
This DOES work. Hell, I emptied wet slurry from a wheel barrow (extra watery) all down my driveway 6 years ago and it's still hard as a rock. "Experts" will tell you 'no way' but it works. Beats hell out of continuously buying gravel.
So looks don't count then? And how long is 1.5 - 2 in thick gravel/concrete combo going to last after a vehicle drives over it (and with no reinforcement)? Are you going to put relief joints in? I'm pretty sure the concrete in my drive is 6 in. thick (at least); and it was put in after the driveway was graded, prepped and compacted. A little bit of cement filtering down between your gravel just means now you're going to have larger chunks of gravel being displaced.
Tell me how that experiment comes out. I'm designing a garden of Eden. Its a diamond in the rough but once complete you will not have to do anything but eat. Self seeding, it's basically a biosphere for the home gardener with money to spend on a "landscape supermarket".
I did mine just after medium rain, just cut a hole in the bag and walked down the hill, did it 20 with 10 bags, times and drove over it with old range rover 20 times to mix it, lasted 5 years.
How big of driveway will 10 bags do
Farmers have done this for years in barns
Wonder how this would work in northern states this time of year? What would cure time be for colder temps. Maybe only a summer job.
Basically turning clear gravel into road base
Will it crack and flake apart later?
Could’ve used a lawn drop spreader to lay out the concrete to get a more even all around coverage for the entire driveway
I used a slag product instead. Over time when it rains you basically end up with a steel driveway, not many weeds can get through.