Huge thanks to Valnir 19 for his help in testing some of the Swordmaster stuff with me! Things have since changed since the last time testing them, so I appreciate him helping out!!
@ItalianSpartacus you should definitely check out this video by Heir of Carthage! The HE player essentially used Timewarp + Pha's Protection to make a psuedo Waagh for the High Elves on the Swordmasters of Hoeth! It was super cool! czcams.com/video/vtcsz7-hCxE/video.html
Stop spreading lies man about the tabletop game. We already had this conversation on the other video and I showed you that you were wrong about murderous prowess. High elves were always the better of the two 1vs1, dark elves had numbers to make up for that. I will keep calling you out if you don't stop with the lies.
Swordmasters of Hoeth: Spend their lives mastering the blade, becoming some of the best warriors known to the Warhammer World. Empire Artilleryman: Obliterates the aforementioned elves from several hundred meters away, and barely washes his own ass. Progress in motion!
lothern seaguard are the most laughable unit ever made in a TW game as far as campaign goes. for their cost, you can litteraly build a triangular fortress of them, a couple of sister of averlorn in the middle and a flanking unit of choice... put the entire formation on guard/autofire, go and get some coffee and come back to your victory screen .. if the enemy somehow gets past 15 units of arrow cheese they just get to the formation to see a bunch of dudes chuck their bows on the floor and just randomly turn in to nextgen spearmen that when upgraded can apparently dodge more than sigvald ... and they cost less than a bunch of peacocks with plastic axes that wear a white lion shawl as a statement to prove to people that they can actually kill something... just not on the battlefield
@@mrwhosaskin179 Early game I absolutely agree. but when comparing statistics, Lothern seaguard (shielded) boast higher Defence, attack and weapon damage to a normal spear unit. Their arrows also hit as hard as a normal archer with 20 less range. They are total beasts. My personal doomstack army (for playing instead of auto attack) is 3 sisters 6 Lothern 3 ballistas 1 Star Dragon 2 Swordmasters 1 Spearmen (RoR I forget their name for the 12% dmg reduction) 1 LL 1 Mage and 1 Pheonix guard Leaving 1 slot open for.. whatever I need. This army with a set up as follows. 2 lothern seaguard with the RoR spearmen in the center. These 3 Make a very strong front line. Behind them about 10-20 yards to allow for cavalry/monsterous charge line disruption, your 3 Sisters. To their sides about 20-30 yards away are 1 Lothern seaguard on each flank which stop cavalry but also most importantly leave a gap for your Sword masters to get a clear charge to the front line. Just behind the sisters, but still inside the positioning of the lothern seaguards. Position 1 sword master on each side. This keeps them way out of any potential missile threats during inital engagement, but they can get in to the fighting incredibly quickly (which is key) in the center behind the sisters is where the pheonix guard goes. Yet again, totaly out of any missile range, and perfectly positioned to cockblock anything that might get through incredibly fast. At the back is your line of artillery, protected by the last two lothern seaguard, who also offer missile support to anything in front of them. This kind of tactic with Highelves, utilises all tiers of the high elf army, whilst also offering multiple layers of deffence against missile and cavalry approaches. at any given time you will also have 5-6 missile units going totaly ham and having plenty of room to breath with your elite infantry as they are incredibly safe from any sort of missile unit. Your 3 Artillery also allow for a competetive/dominating artillary match up against most armies u would face in the campain. and the extra slot offers some felxibility to whatever you need. wether its cavalry or more fire power :D Hope this gives some inspiration
How about just bringing all Sisters of Averlorn? Same armor, Sisters have more Leadership, They have 50% more melee attack but only 2 less melee defense and their arrows are of couse sooooo much better
@@Haarsgard after u lvl up ur lord lothern with shields have like 60 armor and 86 melee def making them extremely good for both archering and fighting up front . For me a very good general use campaign army (excluding the very powerful sisters spam) is ,Tyrion or a melee lord atleast on a horse , a hero either a handmaiden or a magic user , 3-4 units of phoenix guard , 7-8 units of lother shields 1 eagle bolt thrower( for insta sieges/siege cheesing) 1 dragon prince and the rest sisters ( which u can still ditch some lothern for more sisters) . This comp for me has excellent versatility and i dont really struggle with anything apart from rarely losing a 7 exp unit (phoenix guard are kinda irreplaceable and prone to be the first to get a unit wipe). In general Lothern spam with some units of phoenix guard and sisters helping them is extremely cost effective and strong especially when u can easily train 7 chevron of them in ur capital practically effortlessly
Wish someone told me this before i began to siege the Delf scum lol. Oh well, still whoopin their asses. Just... maybe having to replace a unit or 4... but this helps so thanks!
A regiment of Renown for Swordmaster's - The Swordmaster's of Saphrey? Swordsmen of the White Tower? Swordmasters of the Lore? Hoeth's White Tower Guard? They come with 2 bound spells + magic attacks? Enfeebling foe? Light of Battle? Pha's protection?
I’m watching this at work, but just wanna say keep doing what you’re doing I enjoy listening to the lore behind all this stuff. Sort of as a podcast while I’m at work
I liked this presentation a lot. One thing I thought was strange, however, was the mention of archers and their "considerable" use on tabletop. I played High Elves during the 6th/7th/8th editions and from my experience and the experience of many others, it was more cost effective to spend the 100/100/70 points on a Repeater Bolt Thrower (6 shots at S4, armor saves at -2) vs spending 120/110/100 points on 10 archers (10 shots at S3 IF in the appropriate formation or position), especially after the removal of shooting in 2 ranks from 5th edition, an ability which wasn't returned to the High Elves' toolbox until 8th edition. Most players I knew filled up their Core requirements with Silver Helms (mainly 6th edition) and Spearmen (mainly 7th and 8th edition). This is also the first time I've heard of the Dark Elves being the overall better matchup against the High Elves on tabletop. The Dark Elves were basically a broken army in 6th edition until their 6th edition addendum, and in 7th/8th edition the High Elves' Speed of Asuryan ability was an enormous advantage.
For their cost, HE spears are absolutely amazing. Definitely the best "chaff" unit in the game. They are so good I would consider them more chads than chaff.
One thing to ad why in some occasions the regular spear/archer unit is a better choice than seaguard: when you play at unit scale maxed out, that extra soldiers in those units vs a lothern could make a big difference. Lothern is a great unit,but doesn not have the same amount of men as a regular spear/archer. (and more elves means more arrows,and at a better range :more damage for your points vs for the spears more men equals longer time to get to that 50%) Just wanted to point that out. Great vid as always :)
Ah, the High Elves. One of the few factions in the game that don't suffer from the asymmetrical balance unit rosters. They have everything covered, and unlike the empire have infantry that don't suck. It's not entirely the devs faults either; they had the same deal on the tabletop.
Which is a weakness so insignificant compared to what some factions have to put up with. Take the vampirates for example, they have no heavy cav, at all. My point is that the elves are one of the few races that have any degree of flexibility, especially in campaign
This list probably needs a bit of an update. At the very least, sisters of avalorn has to occupy the top or near top position, as they are a staple to any he army. I also think dp has to be removed when you consider difficulty scaling nufflifies the effectiveness of cavalry charges.
very surprised you didnt have star dragon on this list, unlike most massive monsters of a similar price it aaalways pays for itself especially when HE dont have terror causing units apart from dragons. The breath can delete huge clumps of high tier infantry and they can snipe heroes and lords pretty easily as well. Also the fact that you can get one super cheap on your lord if you take a prince or princess
For me personally, i divide my military into 2 parts, The Army and The Navy. The way i comprise my armies is to get 4 units of swordmasters of hoeth, 7 units of spearmen cause they can be the frontline, then ill get 1 lord and 1 hero, ill get 1 unit of eagle artillery, 4 units of light armour archers, and 2 flying monsters of choice. Of course you can always change up the army composition dependent on the faction your facing, but this is my general comp. For my Navy, *Lothern Sea Guards(shielded) * ill get about 14 of them, then i get 2 swordmasters, then i get 2 flying monsters of choice, and 1 lord and 1 hero. The reason why i make my navy most comprised of Lothern Sea Guards(shielded) is cause in the seas, you never really know what your gonna face, like say you come across some treasure and it unlocks a mission, the mission is to defeat army but you dont know what faction it was and how to adjust accordingly, so with the lothern sea guards im always ready for what outs there. Another example is when an enemy horde faction suddenly declares war on you and chases your ship down.
I personally love the lothern sea guard with shields, they get dual bonuses from your lords abilities (provided you chose them) and can really shine for not a ton of money, early game they just wreck and even in later game, they are very good at being plug ins wherever needed. On siege defenses they are amazing, having them up on your wall firing down with their range, and then able to dual purpose and hold off the towers at the same time, no need to swap your melee for archer units up front, which is great to be able to focus elsewhere.
Kinda disappointed that you didn't mention the star dragon or moon dragon. Those beast wiped out entire unit of inf extremely efficient and quickly and protect your rear from cavalry. I had bad time in campaign against Skaven and their artillery and the dragons solved most of my issues. But I agree with Elyrian Reavers on the top list, the archer version of Elyrian Reavers saved my campaign in the most desperate moments. I found Lothern Sea Guard to be capable of doing both Spearmen and Archer's job just fine. Their shorter range is enough to handle with basically any skirmisher in the game and allow them to weed out enemy melee and hold their ground just as good as Spearmen. Archer range is great but they are such a huge pain when you try to protect them from heavy cav, while with an army of Lothern Sea Guards you don't have to protect their rear if you don't have any.
I’m surprised Phoenix Guard aren’t on the list. Physical resistance, 90 leadership, 40+ MA and MD with AP and martial mastery means they can dumpster any heavy cav, most infantry, monsters, mounted characters, and they’re nigh-unbreakable and immovable.
I use spearmen as my frontline for soaking up enemy arrows and charges, while the lothern sea guard form the second line and flanking duties for some nice flank shots. Can bring any of them into melee to support spearmen when needed, which they will be. Kinda like the hastati/principes/triarii thing the Romans had going on. Good enough for early game anyway
In custom battles, you're right that both Spearmen and Lothern Sea Guard with Shields are good choices. I'd probably favor the Sea Guard simply because they have a way to contribute to the battle even if the opponent doesn't close with them, but if the opponent is going to close in, the Spearmen are more cost effective. For campaign, I'd recommend replacing those Spearmen with a mix of Sea Guards with Shields and Phoenix Guard as soon as possible in your main stacks. While the Swordmasters of Hoeth are good, I think the more cost effective choice is White Lions of Chrace. The White Lions have fairly similar stats and are actually better at handling missile fire than the Swordmasters thanks to their 30% missile resistance. While the Swordmasters are better in absolute terms, I'd rather spend those extra 450 points somewhere else in competitive battles, and I don't see a lot of point to either of these units in campaign. To me, Dragon Princes are just too expensive considering they have low AP damage and no way to negate physical resistance. This is one case where I'd suggest spending a bit more and getting a Sun Dragon instead. That gives you a strong AP attack that will defeat physical resistance (because they're flaming attacks), and it's a faster unit with the added maneuverability of flight. You also get a useful ranged attack. The Fireborn RoR solves the physical resist problem, but they're 200 points more expensive than the default Sun Dragon, still don't do much AP damage and don't come with the Sun Dragon's Fear and Terror. In campaign, just splurge and get yourself a Star Dragon when you can for your main combat stacks. Can't argue with the choice of regular Archers for custom battles, they are a great, cost effective unit. I think it's worth giving a special mention to the Sisters of Avelorn though. This unit is a far better choice than Archers if you're facing off against armor or foes with high physical resistance, and they're decent when it comes to melee combat as well. The only reason I wouldn't replace the Archers with them entirely is that the Sisters are extremely expensive so you'll usually get better value from the Archers. In campaign, I'd recommend just using Sisters of Avelorn for your main combat stacks as soon as you can. Ellyrian Reavers are a cheap and fast hammer for your anvil, and provide a huge amount of power and utility for their cost. That said, like all too many units in the High Elf roster, they are seriously lacking when it comes to AP and a means to negate physical resistance. You'll probably want to eventually drop these units entirely out of your main stacks in campaign, and you also need to be somewhat cautious about using them in Custom Battles, which is why I can't give these my #1 slot. I feel a decent alternative is the Flamespyre Phoenix. It's faster than the Heralds of the Wind, has the flying advantage, can negate physical resistance, has a decent AP attack, causes fear and terror, has a ranged special attack and even has the rebirth special. The biggest problems with this unit are that it's relatively expensive and it doesn't have a proper ranged attack, but it's still worth considering. It might even be worth the extra to get a Frostheart Phoenix instead to bolster your anvil while you're using the Phoenix as a hammer. The Frostheart Phoenix in particular is good even for late campaign use, although it is vulnerable (like any flying unit) to missile fire so you need to protect it a bit.
Not being a multiplayer person I can't comment on that, but in campaign especially as Alarielle, Sisters of Avelorn would be near the top of my list. In campaign the cost increase is a minor concern, and in every way but range they are superior to regular archers. They do magic and fire damage and AP which allows them to massacre ethereal or armoured units, and monsters can get cut to pieces very quickly.
I think High Elf cav is better because, yes I know Grail Knights are awesome, but Bretonnia focuses so much on cav that they don't have many other options for elite infantry, unlike the high elves. Also, dragon princes are the coolest. They don't even bow to the Phoenix King. True badasses
I don't think this list is for campaign. When you play high elf, you fight against high elf early. Enemies will spam sea guard units and your reaver or even silver helm can't even get close to them. Even flanking cost too much life :( can't really do much in high elf match up. Eagle claw bolt thrower is actually quite good early to mid game considering you can produce it quite early and it destroys archer, sea guard composition which most high elf AI will have until you either destroy all or confederate all. Of course eagle claws are garbage after early mid game :P after that phase, just have one for auto resolve siege attack until you get dragons. My personal favorite is sisters of avelorn. The best archer unit in this game!
Could you do one of these for the vampire counts maybe some good army picks for multiplayer and some good strats for single player ? Keep up the content good sir
I've made it super far just using a simple line up of 6+ spearmen 5+ archers and a few calvery . The archers are the main reason why. The horse archers are so useful have them attack the rear and when they run out of ammo send them in to melee
Phoenix Guard (being probably the best HE frontline tank) and Sisters of Avelorn probably my absolute favourites and essential troops in campaign. Not bad to chuck a few of them in MP either
Agh I dont wanna be that guy but its been bugging me the first time I heard you say it in a video, its not pronounced "Aisha" or "I-Sha" but rather "Isha" as in "banishment"
I agree with your desire to have a RoR Swordmasters. I do however disagree with Ellyrian Reavers. The Archer version are good. But the regular version is not good. Every time I field them, they get stomped.
Regular version does great job up until midgame for me. Put them in forest someplace, hide them till melee starts, and then kill the enemy archers. Dark elf armies field a lot of them
@@marinosgr1994 The archer variant has the exact same melee stats though iirc, and then they have bows on top of that, which makes them an extremely effective unit, and if you can micro well enough, you can have them shooting at one unit while running down another in melee allowing them to harass the backline much better.
Interesting, I expected to see the Elyrian horse archers, not the spear version as well. I am not a fan of the spear version, they always suffer a lot of casualties; the archers actually have decent melee (unlike most other other skirmish cavalry CA makes) while having nearly impossible to catch and doing a fair bit of damage from range.
They did in his test, but that was because he had the swordmasters at max width but the Chosen were in their default width. So the swordmasters wrapped around the flanks of the Chosen, giving them an edge, and that allowed them to win. SM were the only unit that won against chosen when at max width though, the others lost even though Turin always had them at max width. If chosen and swordmasters are BOTH at max width, the battle is neck and neck until the swordmasters drop their martial prowess, then the chosen win. But the results of the fight are so close that even the smallest edge, such as a wider formation, will give it to the swordmasters.
Any late 2020 updates for this list? I just picked the game up and I am going through my first campaign with Tyrion now. Feeling dumb getting light armor archers now... but I don't know why yet!
maybe if they had magic resist so they wouldnt be bjunabait OR if the current meta didnt revolve around long range horse-killing guns and super duper elite cav over mass infantry
Dragon Princes and Swordmasters have a flag with motto "Please cast Fate of Bjuna on us" (or some other nasty spell and arty fire). That's why I don't like to take them in MP battles.
Swordmasters do defeat Chosen with Great Weapons. 8 times out of 10, that is, tested on field. This doesn't mean, however, that Swordmasters are better. Chosen Great Weapons are still the best infantry in the game, as they will melt almost anything on their path. Swordmasters are just the best at killing infantry. Chosen kill anything.
Lol was playing multiplayer game the other day and had a formation of three chosen sword and shield with two chosen pikemen and the other guy drops a star dragon in the middle of my formation. Needless to say, those pikemen destroyed the dragon and Kholek had no major threats after that
I think people make a mistake when they compare Swordmasters of Hoeth and Chosen with Great Weapons. Swordmasters are an anti-infantry unit, if you send them against large units they are far less effective because their bonus vs infantry does not apply. Chosen with Great Weapons are an anti-everything unit. It does not matter if you are talking about infantry, cavalry, monsters or lords, there is not a single unit that can engage a unit of Chosen with Great Weapon directly in close combat without receiving a significant amount damage. Comparing a high-end specialist and a high-end generalist and then being surprised that the specialist is better in the field they specialized in just seems strange to me.
great point! i did it more as a frame of reference than an actual comparison of power level (although i don't think i made that distinction well enough - apologies there!)
Tend to go lord noble loremaster maiden (legendary lord also get mage of life) then 3 units phoenix guard 4 swordmasters 4 sisters 2 dragon princes 1 starlight dragon 2 Eagle claws great comp for campaign
I remember ditching the bolt thrower because it was too much of a pain to defend and slow the army down, replacing them with another phoenix guard and sister, but otherwise, I used the exact same army comp. Also, I think phoenix guard should be in the top 5.
Never been a fan of dragon princes. No anti-large, no fear or terror, weak ap, lose their vigor quick, lose their marshal mastery as battle goes on. They're such a bad cavalry by comparison.
Hey man I've been watching your lore vids and pretty much everything you put out so i just subbed but I'd like your thoughts on something. What do you think about CA making a total war warhammer 40k game? I think it would be sweet to see legions of space marines going at it with hordes of xenos and chaos and I feel total war is the best avanue of giving that universe some justice. Just my thoughts but what do you think? Would it be cool and would it be plausible?
I can imagine the balancing would be a nightmare. The space marines have to be incredible, but so do the Eldar and the Necrons. The space marines would also be cheaper than Eldar but have comparable stats. There would be far more balancing complaints to CA. The other issue would be that many 40k battles tend to drag on, so to be accurate, it would make Medieval 2 seem quick.
Bro where are the sisters of avelorn, we just have to get 15 sisters of avelorn, 2 or 3 spears and tyrion and a dragon , every army will be beaten by this composition in the total war Warhammer world
Spearmen? Those guys are utter garbage in anything past normal difficulty. They melt against just about everything, even weak large units. Lothern Seaguard are slightly better, but in my experience, Phoenix Guard are the best "hold the line" units in the High Elf roster. Swordmasters are nice, but the lack of anti-large make them vulnerable to a lot of late game armies.
He's talking about cost effectiveness, for their cost spearman are really good at holding the line so your archers can melt the enemy. I would contend that his #1 pick is most out of place. In my experience ellyrian reavers even when rear charging missle units do no damage and just get stuck being a huge waste of a slot
@@trevorgolnick5066 No, they're really not, not when you have to constantly replace them or wait for them to heal after taking the amount damage they take in battle. I would rather invest in troops that are more expensive and will actually last for a few dozen turns instead of cannon fodder that I will have to replace. And yes, I agree, cav in WH2 suck in general. If I get them, I usually just save them for taking out artillery or running down fleeing units.
That is what sucks because in the tabletop the darkriders where the best light cav. a 1000 point dark elf army( in 6th edtion) was 4-5 dark riders each 5 units with 1-2 dark mage on horse and it was one of tier 1 armys that you could face in a tournament, and i do not understand why the dark riders suck when you compare them too the tabletop ones!!!! Why?
dude 100% agree with you man.. dark riders were SO fucking bomb. you could run the entire board just destroying everything. I think it's because the rest of the Dark Elf Army is a lot more forgiving and solid than the High Elf army in TW:WH.. Although even in TT, Dark Elves did better than High Elves
I dont know what game you played but that sounds like a horrible set up. If any of those units get hit by ranged attacks they'll most definitely get scuppered either through actual losses or from panic tests.
@@Lancelot2000Lps I played from 3rd edition to 7th. Just to make sure I was correct I checked my copy of dark elves codex and there is no way your set up would have been anywhere near competitive. You have toughness 3, 4+ armour save with 25 models... you aren't surviving anything more than a strong breeze. You clearly didn't play in any competitive scenes or else you would have never tried such a build, you would be crushed every time unless your opponent rolled strait 1s all game long
@@Shadowbow1000 It was competitive you can even find old tournaments with video and where that was played when dark els are on the board but you did not need to believe me it is a free world but look around a bit!!!
Sorry it is somewhat pedantic but please don't say in your intro that this pertains to singleplayer because it really doesn't. Dragon Princes, Swordmasters of Hoeth and Ellyrian Reavers are all useless and pointless in campaign. There is never any reason to use any of them over something like Sisters of Avelorn or Phoenix Guard. I'm sorry to be that guy. Very well made vid overall, appreciate the work, but maybe you could make a separate video for campaign? Or in the video maybe title it "Best High Elf Units for Multiplayer"?
@@italianspartacus Oh I'm sorry, I just heard in the intro you said it somewhat applies to the greater campaign as a whole. Maybe I'm mistaken and you say so later in the video. It doesn't really matter anyway. The point is clear. Thanks for the reply!
Don't get me wrong, Phoenix guard are VERY powerful, and easily one of the most survivable units in the game...., but without a large and powerful target to mulch through their main use is holding the line, just like spearmen, which makes it hard to justify their points cost when you can take an additional spearman or archer. Beyond that, Swordmasters also have a faster attack speed (4.3 sec per attack vs 5 sec for PG) and their attack animation is also faster (1.1 vs 1.5 seconds). Overall, swordmasters just put out more damage more quickly in an infantry battle, even discounting their anti infantry bonuses. While the High elves are overall a defensive faction, that just makes blender units like swordmasters even more valuable, as there are few ways to rack up kills as quickly, most of which require careful micromanagement (like dragon princes cycle charging or good use of magic). TL;DR while phoenix guard may boast an overall better statline, the mechanics favour swordmasters as general purpose infantry enders, which is what most High elf players need to supplement their strong defensive and ranged contingents.
i disagree to ellyrion reavers cuz they might be fast but there still trash im not trying to be rude or to be mean im just being honest but they cant even beat a unit of archers that even makes can beat in mele compat they might be fast but speed isn't every thing i thing that the phenix guard is better cuz cmon there the best anti-large in the game they also have hight armor and can almost beat every single large unit im no hater this just my opinion
If you can't beat archers with them you are doing it wrong. For their cost they are great and when they run out of shots can still harass. Maybe you can shades or done combat archers? Not sure. Also Phoenix guard are great it's just HE already does that role well with cheaper units... Why would you pay for expensive specialist ones when they need more options to hammer then anvil.
Huge thanks to Valnir 19 for his help in testing some of the Swordmaster stuff with me! Things have since changed since the last time testing them, so I appreciate him helping out!!
@ItalianSpartacus you should definitely check out this video by Heir of Carthage! The HE player essentially used Timewarp + Pha's Protection to make a psuedo Waagh for the High Elves on the Swordmasters of Hoeth! It was super cool! czcams.com/video/vtcsz7-hCxE/video.html
Stop spreading lies man about the tabletop game. We already had this conversation on the other video and I showed you that you were wrong about murderous prowess. High elves were always the better of the two 1vs1, dark elves had numbers to make up for that. I will keep calling you out if you don't stop with the lies.
Just asking but where do the Sister of Avelorn fit? I thought they'd be in the top ten for sure.
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Swordmasters of Hoeth: Spend their lives mastering the blade, becoming some of the best warriors known to the Warhammer World.
Empire Artilleryman: Obliterates the aforementioned elves from several hundred meters away, and barely washes his own ass.
Progress in motion!
would be cool if they could deflect cannonballs, back at the enemy, and deflect bullets back at the enemy
Dont tell them elves that goblin catapults exist. We dont want them to lose ALL of their morale.
lothern seaguard are the most laughable unit ever made in a TW game as far as campaign goes. for their cost, you can litteraly build a triangular fortress of them, a couple of sister of averlorn in the middle and a flanking unit of choice... put the entire formation on guard/autofire, go and get some coffee and come back to your victory screen .. if the enemy somehow gets past 15 units of arrow cheese they just get to the formation to see a bunch of dudes chuck their bows on the floor and just randomly turn in to nextgen spearmen that when upgraded can apparently dodge more than sigvald ... and they cost less than a bunch of peacocks with plastic axes that wear a white lion shawl as a statement to prove to people that they can actually kill something... just not on the battlefield
@@mrwhosaskin179 Early game I absolutely agree. but when comparing statistics, Lothern seaguard (shielded) boast higher Defence, attack and weapon damage to a normal spear unit. Their arrows also hit as hard as a normal archer with 20 less range. They are total beasts. My personal doomstack army (for playing instead of auto attack) is 3 sisters 6 Lothern 3 ballistas 1 Star Dragon 2 Swordmasters 1 Spearmen (RoR I forget their name for the 12% dmg reduction) 1 LL 1 Mage and 1 Pheonix guard Leaving 1 slot open for.. whatever I need. This army with a set up as follows. 2 lothern seaguard with the RoR spearmen in the center. These 3 Make a very strong front line. Behind them about 10-20 yards to allow for cavalry/monsterous charge line disruption, your 3 Sisters. To their sides about 20-30 yards away are 1 Lothern seaguard on each flank which stop cavalry but also most importantly leave a gap for your Sword masters to get a clear charge to the front line. Just behind the sisters, but still inside the positioning of the lothern seaguards. Position 1 sword master on each side. This keeps them way out of any potential missile threats during inital engagement, but they can get in to the fighting incredibly quickly (which is key) in the center behind the sisters is where the pheonix guard goes. Yet again, totaly out of any missile range, and perfectly positioned to cockblock anything that might get through incredibly fast. At the back is your line of artillery, protected by the last two lothern seaguard, who also offer missile support to anything in front of them. This kind of tactic with Highelves, utilises all tiers of the high elf army, whilst also offering multiple layers of deffence against missile and cavalry approaches. at any given time you will also have 5-6 missile units going totaly ham and having plenty of room to breath with your elite infantry as they are incredibly safe from any sort of missile unit. Your 3 Artillery also allow for a competetive/dominating artillary match up against most armies u would face in the campain. and the extra slot offers some felxibility to whatever you need. wether its cavalry or more fire power :D Hope this gives some inspiration
Try this against the empire....they will wipe the floor with you
How about just bringing all Sisters of Averlorn? Same armor, Sisters have more Leadership, They have 50% more melee attack but only 2 less melee defense and their arrows are of couse sooooo much better
@@Haarsgard after u lvl up ur lord lothern with shields have like 60 armor and 86 melee def making them extremely good for both archering and fighting up front . For me a very good general use campaign army (excluding the very powerful sisters spam) is ,Tyrion or a melee lord atleast on a horse , a hero either a handmaiden or a magic user , 3-4 units of phoenix guard , 7-8 units of lother shields 1 eagle bolt thrower( for insta sieges/siege cheesing) 1 dragon prince and the rest sisters ( which u can still ditch some lothern for more sisters) . This comp for me has excellent versatility and i dont really struggle with anything apart from rarely losing a 7 exp unit (phoenix guard are kinda irreplaceable and prone to be the first to get a unit wipe). In general Lothern spam with some units of phoenix guard and sisters helping them is extremely cost effective and strong especially when u can easily train 7 chevron of them in ur capital practically effortlessly
@@poutsovgalthsxarilaos5663 yea i guess the tech and lord stuff makes em real good. But the biggest problem is that they don't have ap missiles
Sisters of avelorn are quite deadly and a MUST bring against Chaos and Dark elves since both factions have heavily armored units.
DPs are the MVP in that matchup
I actually bring one unit every time i play. It dosent matter against i play they allwais pay off
Wish someone told me this before i began to siege the Delf scum lol. Oh well, still whoopin their asses. Just... maybe having to replace a unit or 4... but this helps so thanks!
Yep
For me I always use them
A regiment of Renown for Swordmaster's - The Swordmaster's of Saphrey? Swordsmen of the White Tower? Swordmasters of the Lore? Hoeth's White Tower Guard?
They come with 2 bound spells + magic attacks?
Enfeebling foe? Light of Battle? Pha's protection?
I’m watching this at work, but just wanna say keep doing what you’re doing I enjoy listening to the lore behind all this stuff. Sort of as a podcast while I’m at work
Don't listen to him. He's lying. Look up the lore yourself from the books. He's making a lot of this shit up.
Maan no one cares that you are at work.
Total war warhammer 2 is my first total war game, ur videos helped alot ty for this, my fac highelf unit is sisters of "will kill anything" avalorn :D
Welcome to the fam
@@grassytiger thx alot rly enjoy the game so far, almost done with the campaign so need to learn multi player next ':) should be fun
I liked this presentation a lot.
One thing I thought was strange, however, was the mention of archers and their "considerable" use on tabletop. I played High Elves during the 6th/7th/8th editions and from my experience and the experience of many others, it was more cost effective to spend the 100/100/70 points on a Repeater Bolt Thrower (6 shots at S4, armor saves at -2) vs spending 120/110/100 points on 10 archers (10 shots at S3 IF in the appropriate formation or position), especially after the removal of shooting in 2 ranks from 5th edition, an ability which wasn't returned to the High Elves' toolbox until 8th edition.
Most players I knew filled up their Core requirements with Silver Helms (mainly 6th edition) and Spearmen (mainly 7th and 8th edition).
This is also the first time I've heard of the Dark Elves being the overall better matchup against the High Elves on tabletop. The Dark Elves were basically a broken army in 6th edition until their 6th edition addendum, and in 7th/8th edition the High Elves' Speed of Asuryan ability was an enormous advantage.
NEW TEXT LABEL for the Dragon Princes seems OP.
For their cost, HE spears are absolutely amazing. Definitely the best "chaff" unit in the game. They are so good I would consider them more chads than chaff.
THE CHADS OF CHAFF!! i hope your'e doing well brother :)
Chadfs
Chodes!
sisters of averlorn: magical api arrows melt everything...
Except Harkon...that mad fucker has hella Magic resis
@@chinoschmino9108 and that where the armorpiercing incindiary effect kicks in XD
Raik Barczynski I dunno bro Luthor can also get physical resist along with Magic resist so it’s like he’s a walking tank💀
Bro phoenixs also can tank sisters arrows like nothing
Plus insane MD and MA for an archer uniy
One thing to ad why in some occasions the regular spear/archer unit is a better choice than seaguard: when you play at unit scale maxed out, that extra soldiers in those units vs a lothern could make a big difference. Lothern is a great unit,but doesn not have the same amount of men as a regular spear/archer. (and more elves means more arrows,and at a better range :more damage for your points vs for the spears more men equals longer time to get to that 50%) Just wanted to point that out.
Great vid as always :)
Yeah i think that too man
Ah, the High Elves. One of the few factions in the game that don't suffer from the asymmetrical balance unit rosters. They have everything covered, and unlike the empire have infantry that don't suck. It's not entirely the devs faults either; they had the same deal on the tabletop.
and also no swordsmen units :(
Which is a weakness so insignificant compared to what some factions have to put up with. Take the vampirates for example, they have no heavy cav, at all. My point is that the elves are one of the few races that have any degree of flexibility, especially in campaign
This list probably needs a bit of an update. At the very least, sisters of avalorn has to occupy the top or near top position, as they are a staple to any he army. I also think dp has to be removed when you consider difficulty scaling nufflifies the effectiveness of cavalry charges.
Oh yeah, it's absolutely dated with so many of the big changes to the game since it was made :)
very surprised you didnt have star dragon on this list, unlike most massive monsters of a similar price it aaalways pays for itself especially when HE dont have terror causing units apart from dragons. The breath can delete huge clumps of high tier infantry and they can snipe heroes and lords pretty easily as well. Also the fact that you can get one super cheap on your lord if you take a prince or princess
For me personally, i divide my military into 2 parts, The Army and The Navy. The way i comprise my armies is to get 4 units of swordmasters of hoeth, 7 units of spearmen cause they can be the frontline, then ill get 1 lord and 1 hero, ill get 1 unit of eagle artillery, 4 units of light armour archers, and 2 flying monsters of choice. Of course you can always change up the army composition dependent on the faction your facing, but this is my general comp. For my Navy, *Lothern Sea Guards(shielded) * ill get about 14 of them, then i get 2 swordmasters, then i get 2 flying monsters of choice, and 1 lord and 1 hero. The reason why i make my navy most comprised of Lothern Sea Guards(shielded) is cause in the seas, you never really know what your gonna face, like say you come across some treasure and it unlocks a mission, the mission is to defeat army but you dont know what faction it was and how to adjust accordingly, so with the lothern sea guards im always ready for what outs there. Another example is when an enemy horde faction suddenly declares war on you and chases your ship down.
the reavers have helped me win so many battles, they have always been the mvps... I personally also have had good results with high elf chariots.
I personally love the lothern sea guard with shields, they get dual bonuses from your lords abilities (provided you chose them) and can really shine for not a ton of money, early game they just wreck and even in later game, they are very good at being plug ins wherever needed. On siege defenses they are amazing, having them up on your wall firing down with their range, and then able to dual purpose and hold off the towers at the same time, no need to swap your melee for archer units up front, which is great to be able to focus elsewhere.
Kinda disappointed that you didn't mention the star dragon or moon dragon. Those beast wiped out entire unit of inf extremely efficient and quickly and protect your rear from cavalry. I had bad time in campaign against Skaven and their artillery and the dragons solved most of my issues. But I agree with Elyrian Reavers on the top list, the archer version of Elyrian Reavers saved my campaign in the most desperate moments. I found Lothern Sea Guard to be capable of doing both Spearmen and Archer's job just fine. Their shorter range is enough to handle with basically any skirmisher in the game and allow them to weed out enemy melee and hold their ground just as good as Spearmen. Archer range is great but they are such a huge pain when you try to protect them from heavy cav, while with an army of Lothern Sea Guards you don't have to protect their rear if you don't have any.
Really entertaining video. I enjoyed the lore background, I don’t know anything about the Warhammer universe
there's plenty more vids deep in my channel on the high elves if you want to know more :)
I hope you make a series out of the whole Top 5 thing, it's very helpful! :)
I’m surprised Phoenix Guard aren’t on the list. Physical resistance, 90 leadership, 40+ MA and MD with AP and martial mastery means they can dumpster any heavy cav, most infantry, monsters, mounted characters, and they’re nigh-unbreakable and immovable.
I disagree... But I like the video. As always good job man! 👍🏻
well thanks for watching either way brotha! :D
Why do the lothern sea guard always seem to die before the dirt level spearmen? I must be doing something wrong but I can't figure out what.
They have significantly less health with a bit higher melee stats...you’d wanna use them primarily as frontline archers not your meatshield
I use spearmen as my frontline for soaking up enemy arrows and charges, while the lothern sea guard form the second line and flanking duties for some nice flank shots. Can bring any of them into melee to support spearmen when needed, which they will be. Kinda like the hastati/principes/triarii thing the Romans had going on. Good enough for early game anyway
In custom battles, you're right that both Spearmen and Lothern Sea Guard with Shields are good choices. I'd probably favor the Sea Guard simply because they have a way to contribute to the battle even if the opponent doesn't close with them, but if the opponent is going to close in, the Spearmen are more cost effective. For campaign, I'd recommend replacing those Spearmen with a mix of Sea Guards with Shields and Phoenix Guard as soon as possible in your main stacks.
While the Swordmasters of Hoeth are good, I think the more cost effective choice is White Lions of Chrace. The White Lions have fairly similar stats and are actually better at handling missile fire than the Swordmasters thanks to their 30% missile resistance. While the Swordmasters are better in absolute terms, I'd rather spend those extra 450 points somewhere else in competitive battles, and I don't see a lot of point to either of these units in campaign.
To me, Dragon Princes are just too expensive considering they have low AP damage and no way to negate physical resistance. This is one case where I'd suggest spending a bit more and getting a Sun Dragon instead. That gives you a strong AP attack that will defeat physical resistance (because they're flaming attacks), and it's a faster unit with the added maneuverability of flight. You also get a useful ranged attack. The Fireborn RoR solves the physical resist problem, but they're 200 points more expensive than the default Sun Dragon, still don't do much AP damage and don't come with the Sun Dragon's Fear and Terror. In campaign, just splurge and get yourself a Star Dragon when you can for your main combat stacks.
Can't argue with the choice of regular Archers for custom battles, they are a great, cost effective unit. I think it's worth giving a special mention to the Sisters of Avelorn though. This unit is a far better choice than Archers if you're facing off against armor or foes with high physical resistance, and they're decent when it comes to melee combat as well. The only reason I wouldn't replace the Archers with them entirely is that the Sisters are extremely expensive so you'll usually get better value from the Archers. In campaign, I'd recommend just using Sisters of Avelorn for your main combat stacks as soon as you can.
Ellyrian Reavers are a cheap and fast hammer for your anvil, and provide a huge amount of power and utility for their cost. That said, like all too many units in the High Elf roster, they are seriously lacking when it comes to AP and a means to negate physical resistance. You'll probably want to eventually drop these units entirely out of your main stacks in campaign, and you also need to be somewhat cautious about using them in Custom Battles, which is why I can't give these my #1 slot. I feel a decent alternative is the Flamespyre Phoenix. It's faster than the Heralds of the Wind, has the flying advantage, can negate physical resistance, has a decent AP attack, causes fear and terror, has a ranged special attack and even has the rebirth special. The biggest problems with this unit are that it's relatively expensive and it doesn't have a proper ranged attack, but it's still worth considering. It might even be worth the extra to get a Frostheart Phoenix instead to bolster your anvil while you're using the Phoenix as a hammer. The Frostheart Phoenix in particular is good even for late campaign use, although it is vulnerable (like any flying unit) to missile fire so you need to protect it a bit.
Man i saw a video with you and Indypride yesterday , it was f*cking amazing man that shit was hilarious !
We are going to do some VT stuff too
@@italianspartacus Nice , can't wait ! Great video btw!
Not being a multiplayer person I can't comment on that, but in campaign especially as Alarielle, Sisters of Avelorn would be near the top of my list. In campaign the cost increase is a minor concern, and in every way but range they are superior to regular archers. They do magic and fire damage and AP which allows them to massacre ethereal or armoured units, and monsters can get cut to pieces very quickly.
Great video and I agree with your top pick they end up in every army I have in campaign.
Bretonia hears elves have best cav "hold my peasant"
I think High Elf cav is better because, yes I know Grail Knights are awesome, but Bretonnia focuses so much on cav that they don't have many other options for elite infantry, unlike the high elves. Also, dragon princes are the coolest. They don't even bow to the Phoenix King. True badasses
I don't think this list is for campaign. When you play high elf, you fight against high elf early. Enemies will spam sea guard units and your reaver or even silver helm can't even get close to them. Even flanking cost too much life :( can't really do much in high elf match up. Eagle claw bolt thrower is actually quite good early to mid game considering you can produce it quite early and it destroys archer, sea guard composition which most high elf AI will have until you either destroy all or confederate all. Of course eagle claws are garbage after early mid game :P after that phase, just have one for auto resolve siege attack until you get dragons.
My personal favorite is sisters of avelorn. The best archer unit in this game!
Could you do one of these for the vampire counts maybe some good army picks for multiplayer and some good strats for single player ? Keep up the content good sir
Teach me how to use Spearmen in a late game campaign to last in melee longer.
Teach me Sensei.
I've made it super far just using a simple line up of 6+ spearmen 5+ archers and a few calvery . The archers are the main reason why. The horse archers are so useful have them attack the rear and when they run out of ammo send them in to melee
Cannons3395 cavalry *
Phoenix Guard (being probably the best HE frontline tank) and Sisters of Avelorn probably my absolute favourites and essential troops in campaign. Not bad to chuck a few of them in MP either
Many of my late game HE armies are 8 phoenix guard and 6 sisters of avelorn. Some dragon or cavalry support and it does wonders.
I can't support those elves but I will support your excellent work....I give Tyrion and Teclis a pass though
Come back for imrik, he is the best HE ever
Alith Anar send his regards
In company I prefer as the core of my typical army the Saint Trinity - Swordmasters, Phoenix guards and Sisters of Avelorn.
do dark elves next!
Hey ItalianSpartacus Good job!!! Hope you're gonna do these kind of videos for every faction !?
we shall see! :)
Love the dragon princes especially with imirik, get over 200 kills each unit every battle
Agh I dont wanna be that guy but its been bugging me the first time I heard you say it in a video, its not pronounced "Aisha" or "I-Sha" but rather "Isha" as in "banishment"
I agree with your desire to have a RoR Swordmasters.
I do however disagree with Ellyrian Reavers. The Archer version are good.
But the regular version is not good. Every time I field them, they get stomped.
Regular version does great job up until midgame for me. Put them in forest someplace, hide them till melee starts, and then kill the enemy archers. Dark elf armies field a lot of them
@@marinosgr1994 Lucky you. When I try that, they get attacked.
I prefer Silver helms until I get the Dragon Princes.
@@marinosgr1994 The archer variant has the exact same melee stats though iirc, and then they have bows on top of that, which makes them an extremely effective unit, and if you can micro well enough, you can have them shooting at one unit while running down another in melee allowing them to harass the backline much better.
Interesting, I expected to see the Elyrian horse archers, not the spear version as well. I am not a fan of the spear version, they always suffer a lot of casualties; the archers actually have decent melee (unlike most other other skirmish cavalry CA makes) while having nearly impossible to catch and doing a fair bit of damage from range.
I pray that you and Turin keep this going. He does Warriors of Chaos next while you do Bretonnia!
OHHH ho! Bretonnia? Down
Silvern Guard: Hold my beer
Mead
I thought Swordmasters of Hoeth actually beat chosen with great weapons in one of your unit testing videos with Turin
That's what I thought as well
They did in his test, but that was because he had the swordmasters at max width but the Chosen were in their default width. So the swordmasters wrapped around the flanks of the Chosen, giving them an edge, and that allowed them to win. SM were the only unit that won against chosen when at max width though, the others lost even though Turin always had them at max width.
If chosen and swordmasters are BOTH at max width, the battle is neck and neck until the swordmasters drop their martial prowess, then the chosen win. But the results of the fight are so close that even the smallest edge, such as a wider formation, will give it to the swordmasters.
@@averykoenig2095 as far as i'm aware, the width question was answered, and swordmasters still beats chosen with gw.
Any late 2020 updates for this list? I just picked the game up and I am going through my first campaign with Tyrion now. Feeling dumb getting light armor archers now... but I don't know why yet!
I agree mostly with this list but I think I'd switch the Dragon Princes with the Eagle Claw Bolt Thrower.
I love how you say “FOeesss” haha
To be honest, I dislike the Dragon Princes. I could never make them work. prefer Silver helms .
maybe if they had magic resist so they wouldnt be bjunabait OR if the current meta didnt revolve around long range horse-killing guns and super duper elite cav over mass infantry
Dragon Princes and Swordmasters have a flag with motto "Please cast Fate of Bjuna on us" (or some other nasty spell and arty fire). That's why I don't like to take them in MP battles.
Swordmasters do defeat Chosen with Great Weapons. 8 times out of 10, that is, tested on field.
This doesn't mean, however, that Swordmasters are better. Chosen Great Weapons are still the best infantry in the game, as they will melt almost anything on their path. Swordmasters are just the best at killing infantry. Chosen kill anything.
Lol was playing multiplayer game the other day and had a formation of three chosen sword and shield with two chosen pikemen and the other guy drops a star dragon in the middle of my formation. Needless to say, those pikemen destroyed the dragon and Kholek had no major threats after that
Can we get a quick list in the description plz?
Yayyyy high elves are da bestest😀😀😀😀😀
Also, where are my dragons?
I think people make a mistake when they compare Swordmasters of Hoeth and Chosen with Great Weapons.
Swordmasters are an anti-infantry unit, if you send them against large units they are far less effective because their bonus vs infantry does not apply.
Chosen with Great Weapons are an anti-everything unit. It does not matter if you are talking about infantry, cavalry, monsters or lords, there is not a single unit that can engage a unit of Chosen with Great Weapon directly in close combat without receiving a significant amount damage.
Comparing a high-end specialist and a high-end generalist and then being surprised that the specialist is better in the field they specialized in just seems strange to me.
great point! i did it more as a frame of reference than an actual comparison of power level (although i don't think i made that distinction well enough - apologies there!)
It was more Bout the points cost and what they do but ok 🤔
Tend to go lord noble loremaster maiden (legendary lord also get mage of life) then 3 units phoenix guard 4 swordmasters 4 sisters 2 dragon princes 1 starlight dragon 2 Eagle claws great comp for campaign
I remember ditching the bolt thrower because it was too much of a pain to defend and slow the army down, replacing them with another phoenix guard and sister, but otherwise, I used the exact same army comp.
Also, I think phoenix guard should be in the top 5.
I wouldnt have put ellyrion reavers as the best, only the ellyrian with bows, those are hella goos
The “best” unit videos are helpful
Never been a fan of dragon princes. No anti-large, no fear or terror, weak ap, lose their vigor quick, lose their marshal mastery as battle goes on. They're such a bad cavalry by comparison.
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Fuck that's annoying. Thanks for pointing that out
I tested many times sword master against chosen great weapons and actually they beat chosen great weapons. They are best infantry killer infantry.
insane how powerful the high elves are, just shoot arrows all over
The reavers on one? You must be kidding me...
Hey man I've been watching your lore vids and pretty much everything you put out so i just subbed but I'd like your thoughts on something. What do you think about CA making a total war warhammer 40k game? I think it would be sweet to see legions of space marines going at it with hordes of xenos and chaos and I feel total war is the best avanue of giving that universe some justice. Just my thoughts but what do you think? Would it be cool and would it be plausible?
I can imagine the balancing would be a nightmare. The space marines have to be incredible, but so do the Eldar and the Necrons. The space marines would also be cheaper than Eldar but have comparable stats. There would be far more balancing complaints to CA. The other issue would be that many 40k battles tend to drag on, so to be accurate, it would make Medieval 2 seem quick.
Bro where are the sisters of avelorn, we just have to get 15 sisters of avelorn, 2 or 3 spears and tyrion and a dragon , every army will be beaten by this composition in the total war Warhammer world
I do not understand why a HE archer out-trades WE archers?
Lmao just saw your top 5 Worst today, and decided to see if you had made a top 5 best, and here i am
the circle is complete :)
where can i watch that battle at the end?
10:06 you said doodoo!!
what do think of Silver Helms
legend told us they are trash lol is that true?
depends on the match up, the silver helms do definitely work in a lot of match ups, but (especially in campaign) i default to the dragon princes
When will we see you in a tournament again ?
Love you btw
No Sisters of Averlorn?
You ever check out Legenoftotalwar?
No sisters of avalorn?
A whopping you say
Swordmasters lose to black orcs pretty bad.
Can you do this for lizardmen and scaven?
Next 5 best units for Bretonnia, for ze Lady!!!!!!!!!
Anyone know where that last video of tyrion and malekith is from?
I also want to know, that video looked sick
czcams.com/video/QwZ1WVjAjYQ/video.html
I found it
@@nicktesla1619 Malekith has a shield, interesting
@@nicktesla1619 nice find, thanks
it's the blood for the blood god dlc video! :D
How can you put the Dragon Princes on this list and not the Star Dragon?
That thing is expensive and a bit slow.
Spearmen? Those guys are utter garbage in anything past normal difficulty. They melt against just about everything, even weak large units. Lothern Seaguard are slightly better, but in my experience, Phoenix Guard are the best "hold the line" units in the High Elf roster. Swordmasters are nice, but the lack of anti-large make them vulnerable to a lot of late game armies.
He's talking about cost effectiveness, for their cost spearman are really good at holding the line so your archers can melt the enemy. I would contend that his #1 pick is most out of place. In my experience ellyrian reavers even when rear charging missle units do no damage and just get stuck being a huge waste of a slot
@@trevorgolnick5066 No, they're really not, not when you have to constantly replace them or wait for them to heal after taking the amount damage they take in battle. I would rather invest in troops that are more expensive and will actually last for a few dozen turns instead of cannon fodder that I will have to replace.
And yes, I agree, cav in WH2 suck in general. If I get them, I usually just save them for taking out artillery or running down fleeing units.
That is what sucks because in the tabletop the darkriders where the best light cav. a 1000 point dark elf army( in 6th edtion) was 4-5 dark riders each 5 units with 1-2 dark mage on horse and it was one of tier 1 armys that you could face in a tournament, and i do not understand why the dark riders suck when you compare them too the tabletop ones!!!! Why?
dude 100% agree with you man.. dark riders were SO fucking bomb. you could run the entire board just destroying everything.
I think it's because the rest of the Dark Elf Army is a lot more forgiving and solid than the High Elf army in TW:WH..
Although even in TT, Dark Elves did better than High Elves
I dont know what game you played but that sounds like a horrible set up. If any of those units get hit by ranged attacks they'll most definitely get scuppered either through actual losses or from panic tests.
@@Shadowbow1000 6th edtion because it was the best maybe you did not played than?
@@Lancelot2000Lps I played from 3rd edition to 7th. Just to make sure I was correct I checked my copy of dark elves codex and there is no way your set up would have been anywhere near competitive. You have toughness 3, 4+ armour save with 25 models... you aren't surviving anything more than a strong breeze. You clearly didn't play in any competitive scenes or else you would have never tried such a build, you would be crushed every time unless your opponent rolled strait 1s all game long
@@Shadowbow1000 It was competitive you can even find old tournaments with video and where that was played when dark els are on the board but you did not need to believe me it is a free world but look around a bit!!!
Sorry it is somewhat pedantic but please don't say in your intro that this pertains to singleplayer because it really doesn't. Dragon Princes, Swordmasters of Hoeth and Ellyrian Reavers are all useless and pointless in campaign. There is never any reason to use any of them over something like Sisters of Avelorn or Phoenix Guard. I'm sorry to be that guy. Very well made vid overall, appreciate the work, but maybe you could make a separate video for campaign? Or in the video maybe title it "Best High Elf Units for Multiplayer"?
Oh I think I said it DOESN'T apply to single player :)
@@italianspartacus Oh I'm sorry, I just heard in the intro you said it somewhat applies to the greater campaign as a whole. Maybe I'm mistaken and you say so later in the video. It doesn't really matter anyway. The point is clear. Thanks for the reply!
no dragons really?!lol
Are the Heralds faster than wolf riders ??
Yup! 94 vs 105
Do Skaven next ;)
he'd be better off waiting for the skaven/lizardmen stuff coming up
ohh good one valnir!
Best 3 Skaven Units. Rattling guns. Jezzails and warplock cannon. Best "spell" NUKE or how they call it doomrocket
I prefer chariots over calvary, because thier much more durable, less likely to lose models, and have good AP
Phoenix Guards are much stronger than Swordmasters imo
They're just too niche I'm afraid :(
Don't get me wrong, Phoenix guard are VERY powerful, and easily one of the most survivable units in the game...., but without a large and powerful target to mulch through their main use is holding the line, just like spearmen, which makes it hard to justify their points cost when you can take an additional spearman or archer. Beyond that, Swordmasters also have a faster attack speed (4.3 sec per attack vs 5 sec for PG) and their attack animation is also faster (1.1 vs 1.5 seconds). Overall, swordmasters just put out more damage more quickly in an infantry battle, even discounting their anti infantry bonuses. While the High elves are overall a defensive faction, that just makes blender units like swordmasters even more valuable, as there are few ways to rack up kills as quickly, most of which require careful micromanagement (like dragon princes cycle charging or good use of magic). TL;DR while phoenix guard may boast an overall better statline, the mechanics favour swordmasters as general purpose infantry enders, which is what most High elf players need to supplement their strong defensive and ranged contingents.
Please do more of these
More please
No star dragon or elleirian reevers with archers
i disagree to ellyrion reavers cuz they might be fast but there still trash im not trying to be rude or to be mean im just being honest but they cant even beat a unit of archers that even makes can beat in mele compat they might be fast but speed isn't every thing i thing that the phenix guard is better cuz cmon there the best anti-large in the game they also have hight armor and can almost beat every single large unit im no hater this just my opinion
If you can't beat archers with them you are doing it wrong. For their cost they are great and when they run out of shots can still harass.
Maybe you can shades or done combat archers? Not sure.
Also Phoenix guard are great it's just HE already does that role well with cheaper units... Why would you pay for expensive specialist ones when they need more options to hammer then anvil.