Keel repair on the Catalina 30
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- čas přidán 8. 06. 2022
- The Sailing Project Artemis S2. EP 32
Happy Thursday I have a back log of boat project videos coming your way before I end season 2. Today we have for you the keel repair useing @TotalBoat total fair. This may not be the way some people would do it - but hey, it worked for me. I recomend you do your research before you atempt this.
If you have any questions please let me know and I will respond.
hope you enjoy!
Paint and some odds and ends still to come....
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Very encouraging. I think the best is yet to come when you find the right things to bring in your boat like a CB radio and a 12 volt chest freezer or two. Keep it in ECO mode.
Thank you so much! I just discovered I have water in my keel and your video showed me that maybe all is not over.
You got this
DM if you have questions
Total boat should definitely be giving you money. You sold me.
Lol lol I wish I was part of that team
Their products are amazing
@totalboat #totalboat
If you buy some tell them I sent you
I appreciate that you are posting these videos. This is sailing for the rest of us.
My pleasure thank you for watching
This is the best Keel repair video on CZcams ESP for a Catalina 30
Thank you
I'm trying to record a second on on the Catalina 30 I'm about to start on
Thanks for sharing. I have a Sabre 28-2 with similar issue and will be doing a version of what you did in the spring. I’ll be going in a slightly different direction with materials, tho. I believe the keels on some boats work a bit no matter how well the bolt torque is watched, so I’m going with a more flexible sealing goo for the joint. Maybe 4000 or g flex. But prob not 5200. Sabre forum people are split on the best approach. Seems like Catalina people are, too. For fairing, I’ll be using old school polyester boat putty. It’ll tolerate a little flex. No need for strength or hardness in the fairing. It’s purely cosmetic and to help water flow. Flexibility is number one for me. Finally, keel bolt torquing. My bolts are 3/4” by 10 tpi. Pretty std. Sabre says 90 ftlbs. J-Boats says 94. J-Boats is adamant that the bolts be well lubed. Makes sense as the std dry torque for a 3/4-10 SS bolt is closer to 130. Did you use lube and what value did you torque to? Bolt size? Does Catalina stipulate using lube? Either way, it’s important to remember that lubing reduces torque values by about 1/3. Good luck with your sailboat journey. Fwiw, I sailed out of Manhasset bay for many years. Now out in eastern CT.
Yeah man go for what works best for you
I did not use lube and id have to go back and check on the spec I used
@@Sailing.Artemis did the ‘crack’ reappear?
@@richardwhitehead4684 no sir
Not on any of the ones I have done
@@Sailing.Artemis nice. Hard to argue with success!
I hear that
I will say on my first one i was nervous but it is still perfect
I dragged my Catalina 22 from Idaho to Ohio to take my brother sailing on Lake Erie this past summer. He had such a good time that he decided to buy a Catalina 30 the following week. Unfortunately, it has the smile. He can't do the work himself so I'll be making 5he trip again in April to where his boat is in Michigan to do the repair for him before we splash and bring the boat from ehere he bought it on Lake Huron to his home port on Lake Erie. This video has been tremendously helpful and will guide me in my work. Thanks so much for posting this and inspiring me with the confidence to take this on.
So glad this actually will help someone
I do you one better
DM me and on FB and I'll be available for video chats while you do it
Hey man, seasoned sailer here and I appreciate watching your videos. Appreciate your conversation kind of style. Take it easy brotha
Thank you my man
I'm brand new but I'm hooked
Really appreciate you for watching
So I watched this video a few months back followed your instructions and BAM Catalina smile corrected! Thank you so much for these videos. We are not Patrons for anyone. You will be our first! If you guys ever find yourselves in Sarasota FL dinner is on us!
Thank you makes me so happy I was able to help out
I don't have Paytron but I'm always game to chill and drink 🍻
Cheers
Thank you for this video man!
Any time
Great info! Thanks!
Any time
If you have any questions just let me know
Great video brian 👍 I think this is perfect
Glad you think so! sorry it wasnt my best video
Nice job. Catalina was high on our list when we were looking at monohulls, but we hadn’t heard of the Catalina smile. We have some projects coming up using Totalboat products. We can’t wait to get rolling
I lived aboard and loved my C 30...
1979...smile never showed its ugly face.
So shopping for another 30ish after 12yrs i will fearlessly grab a Cat that has the smile ...there are many other boats with other keel problems that are much worse. The smile is almost like a clutch in a BMW every 100k mi.
PIA but... just roll your sleves up and do it. ...
The bolts will be something ill be more critical of. Get one of those spinning free and ya got a real problem!...
Thanks for the vid.
Good luck and fair winds.
Thank you for watching I'm super happy you enjoyed it
This was an amazing video
Thnak you
Thank You
Now I want to buy a boat and go sailing, after the repairs I probably will need to make! You inspire me
all I can say is do it
dont think you will be mad that you tried it when life is coming to an end. Im all about living and trying new things..... I am glad you enjoy these videos
and repairs are fun I am even looking for a second boat to re fit cause im bored lol
Amazing job 👍👍
Thanks 😁
Great video thank you
Glad you enjoyed it
Great vid ty
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5200 makes sense. The keel will flex and fiberglass fairing will undoubtedly crack. At least the 5200 won’t crack and break the seal keeping water out. 👍
Exactly
cheers
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95 Catalina 320 Wing Keel... just put on the hard today.. and wouldn't you know it.. BAMN... what a pain in the axxx... Your video gives me hope.....keel nuts are 1.5 inch.. need to verify torque lbs to 235...... fun times brother...!! Appreciate your video..KF
Are you local to me if so I'd love to help you out
Thank you for the video I am currently looking to buy a 87 Catalina 36 and I noticed on one side of the keel it has a crack and I was thinking the worst but after watching your video I am not too concerned about it but it does give me bargaining leverage for the price!
If you have photos and want to share them with me to take a look feel free to DM me on FB or insta
Im glad you enjoyed the video
let me know if you have any more questions
Thanks for sharing about to do the same on my 36 ft
If you need me for anything please let me know
I will im in the N.E.in N.J Shore so ill send you pic @@Sailing.Artemis
@@jeffcee9457 I'm not n NY might be able to come take a look
@@jeffcee9457 sorry I'm in NY
sounds good ill send a video or pic.Im in Atlantic Highlands @@Sailing.Artemis
Hello! This was very helpful. I have to do the same repair on my Catalina 34. When grinding out the groove what type of disk did you use on the grinder?
i prefer a sanding disk or a wire wheel
if you dm me on FB i can send you photos
How did it fair over time? I think I’ll try this stuff to repair the gouges and scrapes my boat received under the waterline during Hurricane Ian.
It still looks like I just did the repair
I'm hoping to get a video out in the next few weeks going over the total fair and the rust oleum bottom paint
Both products blew my mind
5200 is good stuff and should work. However, in West Systems Fiberglass Boat Repair & Maintenance manual 002-550 page 55, says to use G/flex 655. That it has 32% elongation before breaking, which helps to prevent cracks from reappearing in the joint. Maybe because old school guys have been using 5200 is why Catalinas are known for having the cracks in the first place?
Gflex is great stuff but man 5200 has worked for ever and I didn't want to re-invent the wheel
My repair held up flawless and I sailed it like a whaler on the rum all season
@@Sailing.Artemis There are five Catalina 30's for sale at my marina. Three of them have cracked keel smiles. So having a cracked keel is not that bad of a thing? The seal is not really structural damage, but more of keeping the water out?
When you grind out the crack, you're going through fiberglass? Do you get down to lead at some point? How do you know how far to go?
That the lead
what did you torque your keel bolts down to. Manual I think says 50 Ft. Lbs. I see other people only do 30. What did you think. And how hard was it to get to the one under the engine and did you use a open end wrench that attaches to the torque wrench
I did 68 lbs
I found it on a owners manual I also found 65 online
I took my motor out to rebuild it so I had easy access
I also bought a 1.1/8 x 4 inch deep socket
Thanks for posting this video, super helpful. What was the Torque Spec for the bolts?
Thanks for watching
To be honest I can't recall right now but I know I say it in the video
@@Sailing.Artemis ever heard of mast with damage on the base? Was wondering if just trimming it off is an option?
@@DanielBisagni yes you can trim
However you will need to fab shims to make up the difference or get new rigging
@@Sailing.Artemis oh interesting, didn't think about the effect on rigging
@@DanielBisagni oh yeah it would absolutely effect the standing rigging
Just watched this video (great by the way). We have purchased a 1989 36 cat pending survey and it has a similar crack. I want to get a torque wrench on the keel bolts at the survey. What is the nut size and torque? I would not have attempted this repair without your video. We are now big fans thanks again! Shawn
So happy to hear that you enjoyed it
I'm not sure about the 36
The 30 is 1.1/8 and we went to 70 lbs
You can find the spec for the 36 on Google
Problem is you will find several different specs try the average
Fyi you should not have wood in your stub being it's an 89
Thanks again! Fair winds!
I might have missed it in the video but what value did you torqued the bolts and where did you get the torque value? I've had my 87 Catalina 30 MKII for 9 years, about 6 or 7 years ago I fixed the Catalina smile that formed over that winter. I remember finding conflicting torque values when I googled it, this is why I am asking since it might help some folks who need to torque their bolts. The video is good, the jumping around time wise was not an issue.
I spent many nights googleing the values
i found many saying 65 and many saying 68
then there were some sites saying over 100
I took my time and spoke to a bunch of orginal owners and some boat workers and decided to go with 68 lbs
and thank you for your kind words
@@Sailing.Artemis Catalina should have helped you. They are supposed to be good with customer support even for their out of production models.
thats a good call
Do you perhaps know from what year the Catalina 30's no longer had this problem? or do they all have the 'smile' issue?
Howdy
Most have it however it's less common after 87/88 when they stopped using wood in the keel stub
Do you put a barrier coat of total faire?
I think you are asking if I barrier over the total fair?
I did not but it would hurt
Why not use Total Boat fairing for the entire filling job? The 3M sealant is an amazing product but I never saw it applied and then covered with a hard epoxy....
the grove needed to be filled with a flexable filler
I could of glassed over that but the ammount of glass would of been to thin 1 or 2 ply to do anything so i decided to just fair over the repair incase i need to do any more work come fall
@@Sailing.Artemis Yes, I realized that after thinking about it. The hard epoxy probably will crack as the keel flexes but the slightly flexible 3m5200 will still provide a tight seal. One of my boats (built in 1975) has the entire deck bonded to the hull with the 5200 and seems to still work well.
How did it hold up this last year?
3 years and it's still flawless
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well don't that you for the video
My pleasure
FF the talking, not the repairs. Talk over the repair
Not really sure what you mean
Catalina Keel bolt torques per model from Catalina Direct site: www.catalinadirect.com/images/features/Keel%20Bolt%20Schedule%20.pdf?CFID=29941113&CFTOKEN=828ebf21b3c5e04a-509B0651-BD64-7A66-C61C670BF54E054A
Catalina direct stated well over what Catalina it self states
Feel free to call Catalina in, they are happy to answer any and all questions
Be careful listening to 3rd parties
Matter of fact
A guy I just helped wanted to check what I told him and called Catalina they advised 68lbs where CD stated 105lbs
Scary what people are doing