What We Know on French Mother Sauces is WRONG (Thesis Level Realization)

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  • čas přidán 11. 12. 2020
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  • @HardWorkingMitochondria
    @HardWorkingMitochondria Před 3 lety +3351

    When your training arc is so good that you just recreate the definition

  • @ikatekeda6267
    @ikatekeda6267 Před 3 lety +3474

    This is a Thesis level realization. I hope he knows this. He could literally write a paper on this and submit it.

    • @riddlydiddlyimawantedmanin4442
      @riddlydiddlyimawantedmanin4442 Před 3 lety +95

      Why bother to write a paper and submit it when he has already had his cake and eaten it ;)

    • @ikatekeda6267
      @ikatekeda6267 Před 3 lety +257

      @@riddlydiddlyimawantedmanin4442 Good question. Say he did it? I would do it just to officially change the definition. Wikipedia is a public encyclopedia. It's not truly classified as a true source.
      Also, it would be cool.

    • @Klefth
      @Klefth Před 3 lety +70

      He totally should.

    • @Lossanaght
      @Lossanaght Před 3 lety +97

      It will be fun to see his videos in the citation section of published papers XD

    • @frempy4426
      @frempy4426 Před 3 lety +191

      Next video: Alex gets a PhD.

  • @bensouchet
    @bensouchet Před 3 lety +304

    Hippo43 (the Wikipedia user who deleted a major part of the article) is currently banned for Wikipedia, He cannot re-edit the page, a small victory!

    • @adrians3267
      @adrians3267 Před 3 lety +39

      All my homies hate hippo43

    • @gozerthegozarian9500
      @gozerthegozarian9500 Před 3 lety +16

      Hippo43 is cancelled!

    • @TheCatWitch63
      @TheCatWitch63 Před 3 lety +12

      Why did they do it? Why this person deleted part of the article, and was Alex able to restore it?

    • @snifey7694
      @snifey7694 Před 2 lety +1

      @@TheCatWitch63 check yourself idk

    • @corinnak.4875
      @corinnak.4875 Před rokem +11

      Hippo 43 is still out there, editing the article (last time in January 2022)

  • @justintomer2567
    @justintomer2567 Před 3 lety +412

    All of the historical and culinary implications this has aside, the thing that struck me the most was probably that librarian who without missing a beat was like "have you checked the translations?" like hes been there and seen this type of thing a million times.

    • @0v_x0
      @0v_x0 Před 2 lety +51

      Yeah that dude knows his job, it stood out for me, too. Also funding for public libraries in the US is shameful, like holy crap what an awesome facility.

    • @Schaddn
      @Schaddn Před rokem +24

      Librarians are often scientists with a PhD, so I suspect he did see this a fair amount of times already.

    • @conorb7839
      @conorb7839 Před rokem +3

      That's like the i.t. equivalent of asking to plug it out and and back in again

    • @Amaling
      @Amaling Před 10 měsíci +2

      ​@a.phytophile4018 it's not a fair comparison, you should compare the best library in the entire USA to this here

    • @rodrigofonseca1160
      @rodrigofonseca1160 Před 8 měsíci

      Nope, shut up, US bad, any other country good. That helps alliviate my depression@@Amaling

  • @TomNils337
    @TomNils337 Před 3 lety +967

    "Why is the internet covered in sauce hollandaise and not mayo?"
    I hate it when my internet service provider gives me the wrong sauce

  • @miriam4235
    @miriam4235 Před 3 lety +1333

    Gotta love librarians. They always know how to set you on the right track.

    • @gus473
      @gus473 Před 3 lety +24

      🦉Truly essential....! 👍🏼

    • @squelchedotter
      @squelchedotter Před 3 lety +44

      Librarians rock and are so under appreciated.

    • @Luick14
      @Luick14 Před 3 lety +33

      It feels like it has been written as a movie scenario like the hero is lost and just a simple thought of the supporting actor the librarian gives that little light in his head to the grand finish

    • @aaarrriic
      @aaarrriic Před 3 lety +3

      @@Luick14 omg so tru, I can’t stop picturing that in my head now lol

    • @Melissa-cl2rf
      @Melissa-cl2rf Před 3 lety +4

      Seriously - look up the Connecticut Four and read "This Library Book Is Overdue!" by Susan Orlean if you need to find more reasons to love them.

  • @fadrus
    @fadrus Před 3 lety +141

    The urge to whisper even in a closed library is strong.

  • @Daorf
    @Daorf Před 3 lety +234

    I would watch an entire youtube channel about experts fact-checking and then rewriting Wikipedia.

    • @notahotshot
      @notahotshot Před 3 lety +23

      With follow up episodes where all of their work gets reverted, because it will.

    • @anti-ethniccleansing465
      @anti-ethniccleansing465 Před 2 lety

      @@notahotshot
      Yep, because it’s filled with propaganda.

    • @nerfherder4284
      @nerfherder4284 Před 2 lety +1

      Wikipedia is like asking the whole bar it's opinion.

    • @revimfadli4666
      @revimfadli4666 Před rokem

      @@notahotshot more content material, yay!

  • @jameshill2450
    @jameshill2450 Před 3 lety +487

    Alex: "We're gonna make a cooking show so good that you won't even realize there was no food ..."

    • @haanimely981
      @haanimely981 Před 3 lety +1

      😂

    • @arkanglegeibriel
      @arkanglegeibriel Před 3 lety +1

      Wikipedia has reverted the changes.

    • @jonathanstein3559
      @jonathanstein3559 Před 3 lety +3

      @@arkanglegeibriel the page was edited, but the detail about the mistranslation is still there, just far less prominent. Quoting it as it is now, "Compared to Escoffier's original list, "Jus de veau lié" and "Suprême sauce" were removed and "Hollandaise" was added. The English edition also included a selection of "English Sauces" in its chapter on small sauces,[22] and it omitted the comments from the French edition that stated Escoffier considered mayonnaise to be a sort of mother sauce. Hollandaise is also absent from similar lists in Jules Gouffé's, Antoine Carême's, and Prosper Montagné’s cookbooks."

  • @martagama4579
    @martagama4579 Před 3 lety +866

    "It never occurred to me it could be as stupid as a translation error." Oh, you'd be surprised how many times it is a translation error.

    • @vengefulspirit99
      @vengefulspirit99 Před 3 lety +34

      Most of the conflicts we get into are caused by simple misunderstanding. Makes sense

    • @65fhd4d6h5
      @65fhd4d6h5 Před 3 lety +16

      Not really a translation error, more of an editing error for the translated version of the book.

    • @russhillis
      @russhillis Před 3 lety +33

      Worse still, even English to English can be mis-translated.

    • @RadicalEdwardStudios
      @RadicalEdwardStudios Před 3 lety +17

      Genuinely, most of the things people are wrong about with respect to the bible are either mistranslations, or misinterpretations of meaning due to meaning shift over centuries. That said, the original said sea of reeds, but the old french version dropped an e, so even that happens.

    • @fotoblanco
      @fotoblanco Před 3 lety +6

      @@russhillis Worse still is American to English. Was in a coffee shop in London and well comedy ensued.

  • @jjfromhonolulu9023
    @jjfromhonolulu9023 Před 3 lety +209

    You should make a T-shirt that says "Hollandaise is a fraud" on the front and "Mayonnaise is the ugly duckling of Mother Sauces" on the back and sell it online.

    • @FrenchGuyCooking
      @FrenchGuyCooking  Před 3 lety +41

      Done. dftba.com/frenchguycooking

    • @64marcovix
      @64marcovix Před 3 lety +3

      @@FrenchGuyCooking Excelente Amigo! Eres el mejor de los Home Based Cooks!

    • @nathan5137
      @nathan5137 Před 3 lety +6

      @@FrenchGuyCooking 404 Not Found. I missed it!!!!

  • @adamcarson1516
    @adamcarson1516 Před 3 lety +124

    The French national library being closed on Mondays is the most French thing I’ve ever heard 😂

    • @bogdanmaricuta121
      @bogdanmaricuta121 Před 3 lety +23

      Most of the museums in the world are closed on Monday! ...

    • @serenadinardo5159
      @serenadinardo5159 Před 3 lety +12

      All the libraries in my town (Monza, Italy) are closed on mondays

    • @perlimpinpin101
      @perlimpinpin101 Před 3 lety +4

      Same in Canada

    • @cliffbramlett4131
      @cliffbramlett4131 Před 3 lety +7

      Most businesses and government offices in France are required, by law, to be closed at least one day a week. Businesses pick which day they want that to be. Monday is often the preference.

    • @ivetterodriguez1994
      @ivetterodriguez1994 Před 3 lety +4

      I live in SoCal. and at least my local city library closes Mondays too.

  • @sarsticus
    @sarsticus Před 3 lety +327

    I'd love a t-shirt that said "Hollandaise is *not* a mother sauce"

    • @DavidXRae
      @DavidXRae Před 3 lety +13

      or 'hollandaise is a lie!'

    • @modelyacht
      @modelyacht Před 3 lety +12

      and the back states: "But Mayonnaise is a mother sauce."

    • @DavidXRae
      @DavidXRae Před 3 lety +4

      @@modelyacht or on the back it could say, join your brothers and sisters in mayo!

    • @arantes6
      @arantes6 Před 3 lety +3

      @@DavidXRae It is, but let's be honest, it's a tasty lie ^^

    • @frenchfriar
      @frenchfriar Před 3 lety +3

      I just want one that says "Mayo is a mother."

  • @AHG1347
    @AHG1347 Před 3 lety +526

    So an Englishman rewrote French culinary history. This atrocity is another sign of the storied rivalry between England and France.
    It seems like Alex has full access to any place in France. He is like the country's unofficial culinary and cultural ambassador.
    Salute to you Alex for never settling.

    • @janedoe6147
      @janedoe6147 Před 3 lety +6

      Talk of atrocities and rivalries is a bit much. Heinemann was indeed an Englishman, with a German father and Italian wife.

    • @AHG1347
      @AHG1347 Před 3 lety +8

      @@janedoe6147 my apologies as it was meant to be tongue in cheek.

    • @janedoe6147
      @janedoe6147 Před 3 lety +5

      @@AHG1347 No worries, misinterpreted on my part. Too much hate in the world these days! Hope you're well.

    • @seguinpierre739
      @seguinpierre739 Před 3 lety

      He is a Frenchman, he only speak in English to catch more people.

    • @benediktlang7415
      @benediktlang7415 Před 3 lety +7

      @@seguinpierre739 Do you realize they are not talking about Alex but about Heinemann who translated the book of Escoffier?

  • @PedritoElMaldito
    @PedritoElMaldito Před 3 lety +323

    Editors already wrecked both his page on mother sauces and the note he made in the pre-existing sauce page
    Edit: Hippo43 needs to get a life

    • @thewolfin
      @thewolfin Před 3 lety +13

      Yep - he who controls information controls the world.

    • @CKOD
      @CKOD Před 3 lety +49

      Wikipedia, home of the most brutal internet slapfights and hugest egos over even the most mundane of things. Along with explanations to things that require you to be an expert on the topic to understand what its trying to explain, just so said ego-strokers can feel good about themselves in proving how smart they are.

    • @barmalini
      @barmalini Před 3 lety +4

      @@thewolfin never mind they can control the English speaking world only. That's why I started learning French as my new years resolution and I only regret that i haven't done it sooner.

    • @BSEUNHIR
      @BSEUNHIR Před 3 lety +22

      Hippo got banned for edit warring, now is the time! Page needs a cleanup because everything is listed twice right now. I'm not gonna become a wikipedia warrior, but maybe someone else here will. Just remember: Keep it civil, keep it constructive and take it slow. Otherwise someone else is just gonna revert your edit.

    • @ale189251
      @ale189251 Před 3 lety +4

      Yeah was checking the page and it was diffrent then what i see here. Its like a handful people who write everything in wikipedia sadly.

  • @spokehedz
    @spokehedz Před 3 lety +48

    6:00 - You know that Alex is a good person, because he whispers in a entirely empty library.

  • @Nawsey
    @Nawsey Před 3 lety +431

    Easily you are in the top 5 most incredible youtube creators. Can’t even debate it.

  • @BramVanhooydonck
    @BramVanhooydonck Před 3 lety +341

    It makes sense that mayonnaise is a mother sauce, not just because of the technical difficulty, but also because it requires fewer and more common ingredients, unlike Hollandaise.

    • @SRagy
      @SRagy Před 3 lety +22

      I agree - I've always found it a bit confusing that hollandaise was a mother sauce but mayonnaise not. It all makes sense now!

    • @hibernate44
      @hibernate44 Před 3 lety +2

      What? Hollandaise requires 3 ingredients

    • @untitledpnk
      @untitledpnk Před 3 lety +9

      @@hibernate44 Let's not pretend salt isn't an ingredient.

    • @irvingdog01
      @irvingdog01 Před 3 lety +6

      Agreed. And it utilizes one of the primary kitchen science moments; emulsion. Along with reduction and other hallmark concepts, they seem to be as much about technique as ingredients.

    • @HeliosFish
      @HeliosFish Před 3 lety +20

      @@hibernate44 Rather for me it's rather how many types of sub sauces can be created using mayo. Whereas hollandaise really only has a handful

  • @daolchang
    @daolchang Před 3 lety +17

    everyone: hollandaise is a mother souce
    Alex: "if an item does not appear in our records, then it does not exist"

  • @finalfun3641
    @finalfun3641 Před 3 lety +35

    they already took away the paragraphs explaining the possible misconception of hollaindais beeing a mothersauce

  • @scrambledegg81
    @scrambledegg81 Před 3 lety +307

    "Probably need a little catch up on this."
    I see what you did there...

    • @Kradukman
      @Kradukman Před 3 lety +3

      But did he mean the old original ketchup or the new one from today ?

    • @jenniferbeck5658
      @jenniferbeck5658 Před 3 lety

      Shoot, I didn't see your comment before I made mine - ugh

    • @kylewolfe_
      @kylewolfe_ Před 3 lety +2

      First and last time you'll ever hear a French guy say that

    • @iadtag1853
      @iadtag1853 Před 3 lety +2

      I was missing that on the playlist. Was it ever uploaded? I mean the Ketchup video.

    • @Lu-db1uf
      @Lu-db1uf Před 3 lety

      What did he do? He did get caught up on it.

  • @MatthewScerriM
    @MatthewScerriM Před 3 lety +250

    "The whole history of french cuisine is based on a typo".
    Sorry Alex, but LOL.

  • @acdnintheusa
    @acdnintheusa Před 3 lety +132

    I am genuinely moved by Alex’s pursuit for knowledge. That emotion totally caught me off guard. I was slightly overcome during the library segment. I’m like, WTH? Then I remembered, what are we truly without the desire to learn, grow, and share those lessons with others. Thank you Alex for that important reminder.

    • @DinoSarma
      @DinoSarma Před 3 lety +6

      And the librarian. Like. You have those moments of clarity sometimes, and you realise that all the friends along the way really help you get there. Not gonna lie, I also got emotional.

    • @shashankbj3804
      @shashankbj3804 Před rokem

      To me that sound like the purpose of life.. What a beautiful thing

  • @bfbaril
    @bfbaril Před 3 lety +35

    Alex: Chef, mad scientist, and historian. Soon to get a Doctorate in Sauces.

  • @KennitaJohnson
    @KennitaJohnson Před 3 lety +115

    That’s pretty powerful position to be in that they would open the library rare book section on a day the library was closed.

    • @ashaf3561
      @ashaf3561 Před 3 lety +20

      Libraries don't really have any good advertisement. I don't think that place could of asked for a better opportunity.

    • @cyrilgermain2654
      @cyrilgermain2654 Před 3 lety +40

      On mondays, the general sections and reading rooms are closed to the public, but the BNF in general is a massive institution, and the regular workplace of countless people, so to be fair, it's more like he got a few people to open doors and give him a hand. I'm sure the 1.6m subs didn't hurt though ^^

    • @gregoiref7038
      @gregoiref7038 Před 3 lety +10

      @@ashaf3561 That's the most famous library in France storing every book that is published and store some of the rarest book France posses. So I don't think it's for advertisement plus if you want to go see rare book you need to be studying at least a master degree and have authorization from your teacher/university (on that one he probably got help for a researcher or explained well enough that his research was legit)

    • @k_meleon
      @k_meleon Před 3 lety +3

      @@gregoiref7038 Pretty sure it has to do with his support from the CNC.

    • @EtienneFolio
      @EtienneFolio Před 3 lety

      Being French and knowing a bit french libraries, I'm pretty sure you just have to ask and give a proper reason why you need access to this specific book. And the YT channel and the subs made the employees come with open arms.

  • @varvaragustokashina4304
    @varvaragustokashina4304 Před 3 lety +170

    Thanks to you, we shared a historic moment in culinary history.

    • @zicopaul9622
      @zicopaul9622 Před 3 lety +3

      Didn't even consider that. This is so true!

  • @instantbeansoup
    @instantbeansoup Před 3 lety +22

    Alex, after finding enough clues and leads, sitting in front of his pc: wait, it's all typo?
    Heineman: 🔫 *always has been*

  • @AlexanderWilithinIII
    @AlexanderWilithinIII Před 3 lety +99

    When I saw the title my first thought was "Oh no, this poor guy thinks he can actually edit Wikipedia." And lo and behold, it's been reverted. Unfortunately, they don't care about your research, they only care that the info came from a "reputable" publication.

    • @Ryndae-l
      @Ryndae-l Před 3 lety +15

      Well, it's the way the encyclopedia works. Wikipedia is not a place for original research and new discovery - you need to convince other sources first.

    • @Ithirahad
      @Ithirahad Před 3 lety +18

      The info *DID* come from a reputable publication (namely literally the guy who originally wrote about this, 1st edition!), and the sourcing is documented here in this video. The concept behind the rule is sound, but the enforcement is not. And if it were to hypothetically turn out that the video was faked somehow, that's one of the reasons why there is an edit button to begin with!

    • @LarsPallesen
      @LarsPallesen Před 2 lety +5

      It's hard to beat the original source (the book) for a reputable source. The Wikipedia people should respect that.

    • @oldvlognewtricks
      @oldvlognewtricks Před rokem +2

      @@LarsPallesen They prioritise consensus over accuracy.

    • @Bayonet1809
      @Bayonet1809 Před rokem +1

      @@oldvlognewtricks Which is a ridiculous policy considering how influential Wikipedia has become; they can now create the consensus.

  • @jonathandiores6364
    @jonathandiores6364 Před 3 lety +52

    The dude is literally correcting food history. I love it!

    • @gagamba9198
      @gagamba9198 Před 3 lety

      Not if wikipedia has anything to say about it. Check out all the edits. moves, revisions back and forth.

    • @TheHenranMan
      @TheHenranMan Před 3 lety

      @@JackHudler They clearly aren't doing it maliciously though...

  • @TheEjEGUN
    @TheEjEGUN Před 3 lety +72

    Going into the sublevels of the library was very cool! Really interesting inside look.

  • @brokensprog
    @brokensprog Před 3 lety +192

    Your article has stirred up no small controversy on wiki, you may want to comment on the discussion of the article as one editor in particular refuses to keep Hollandaise out of the list of French Mother Sauces despite the French sources not including it as one.

    • @revimfadli4666
      @revimfadli4666 Před rokem +2

      Tbf, has the error become popular enough that Hollandaise effectively became a mother sauce?

    • @twocsies
      @twocsies Před rokem +2

      @@revimfadli4666 The type of independent research that went into this video is explicitly banned by Wikipedia. Alex might be right, but to be Wikipedia quality he needs to convince historians who then publish the results. Otherwise everyone can claim that this or that translation means this or that, in the face of evidence to the contrary (100 years of writing on mother sauces).
      "Wikipedia articles must not contain original research. The phrase "original research" (OR) is used on Wikipedia to refer to material-such as facts, allegations, and ideas-for which no reliable, published sources exist. This includes any analysis or synthesis of published material that serves to reach or imply a conclusion not stated by the sources. To demonstrate that you are not adding original research, you must be able to cite reliable, published sources that are directly related to the topic of the article and directly support the material being presented."

    • @jenniferhergert4447
      @jenniferhergert4447 Před 11 měsíci +6

      You are missing the entire point of this video. The book he found in the library clearly states that mayonnaise is a mother sauce and sauce Hollandaise is not.
      There is no old French book that states otherwise, apart from the wrong English translation.

  • @Wild111
    @Wild111 Před 3 lety +18

    _Scene in a pub in London in 1906_
    "So, they give me this french cook book to translate...
    And the bloody thing was so boring! I even changed some things and omitted certain paragraphs and the editor didn't even notice.
    But who cares? I resigned today and nobody is going to punish me for a damn mayonnaise recipe"

  • @patrickcharette2151
    @patrickcharette2151 Před 3 lety +100

    All of us checking Wikipedia:
    *My god he’s done it, he’s actually done it*

    • @spartanical
      @spartanical Před 3 lety +17

      I just checked and I don't see any of what he wrote. Did someone edit his contribution out already? Or is the French Wikipedia different than what I will find here in the U.S.? What am I missing?

    • @christophedlauer1443
      @christophedlauer1443 Před 3 lety +17

      @@spartanical Someone mentioned his edit was removed "for 'original researchh, commentary, tone'."

    • @patrickcharette2151
      @patrickcharette2151 Před 3 lety +5

      @@spartanical I googled mother sauces, I think it’s separate to simply sauces

    • @spartanical
      @spartanical Před 3 lety +18

      @@christophedlauer1443 Thanks for that! I was so disappointed not to find it; but at least I have an explanation now. Though the reason they provide seems fishy. Sounds like they don't want anyone disrupting the status quo. But of course no one learns anything when that is the case.

    • @lvs6775
      @lvs6775 Před 3 lety +12

      @@spartanical the information’s still there. You have to go to French Mother Sauces. It’s not exactly how he wrote it, but the information he provided is still being used.

  • @snifey7694
    @snifey7694 Před 3 lety +179

    When your knowledge is so big that you had to rewrite a whole article
    edit:
    as I saw the actual wiki page and read a quarter of the comments, I now want you to fight back

    • @pekkasaarinen2902
      @pekkasaarinen2902 Před 3 lety +10

      And then someone reverts it back.

    • @Helvianir
      @Helvianir Před 3 lety +2

      The wikipedians reverted it and even changed the new article he wrote

    • @snifey7694
      @snifey7694 Před 3 lety

      @@Helvianir your reply has now make me hate Wikipedians

  • @Rychlas
    @Rychlas Před 3 lety +17

    I'm a casual, and I've never heard of Hollandaise before, yet I've always been using mayo as a base or an ingredient in so many cuisines. It boggled my mind why Hollandaise is called a mother sauce, not Mayo, even though it is mayo that has these perfect properties to either be a base or to enhance a cuisine and is so much easier to make. I'm so glad you proved my intuition to be correct! Great work, Alex. I believe if you keep this up, a University should award you with a honorary title for your achievements in culinary research! Kudos to you.

  • @johnnyeffable
    @johnnyeffable Před 2 lety +1

    I did not expect to become so emotionally invested in a wikipedia edit today

  • @scotty12332109
    @scotty12332109 Před 3 lety +79

    This has had to be one of the most thought through and insightful look into the world of food that i've ever seen, fair play, you beautiful man.

  • @platypuspracticus2
    @platypuspracticus2 Před 3 lety +455

    The mortal enemy of French everywhere: an Englishman with a sense of entitlement.

    • @recoil53
      @recoil53 Před 3 lety +22

      I would think the English culinary world itself would be a nightmare to the French.

    • @decimusdrake5791
      @decimusdrake5791 Před 3 lety +61

      The mortal enemy of everyone everywhere: an Englishman with a sense of entitlement.
      Corrected it for you.

    • @caleb1031
      @caleb1031 Před 3 lety +9

      *Angry Gordon Ramsay noises*

    • @elguero9279
      @elguero9279 Před 3 lety +1

      @@recoil53 Marco Pierre White's career begs to disagree

    • @recoil53
      @recoil53 Před 3 lety +4

      @@elguero9279 So I'm supposed to ignore the part where he did extensive time in the kitchens of acclaimed French chefs?

  • @Viniter
    @Viniter Před 3 lety +12

    Remarkable, you managed to make editing Wikipedia look cool!

  • @Sidkain
    @Sidkain Před 3 lety +3

    This series has brought me a whole lot of joy, information, and given me a new love for cooking again. Thank you, Alex. I cannot wait for your next series.

  • @clewstah
    @clewstah Před 3 lety +58

    To be honest, it just makes more sense for mayo to be a mother sauce, since it's the base for so many other sauces. :)

  • @iadtag1853
    @iadtag1853 Před 3 lety +37

    Geez. I never thought of having to watch real life Robert-Langdon-esque library scene so goose-bumps worthy: My English slurred to un arret.

  • @masterminenz
    @masterminenz Před 3 lety +21

    and the wikipedia circlejerk strikes it down.

    • @robertmacfergus9288
      @robertmacfergus9288 Před 3 lety +2

      In all honesty it is just one person reverting it to the old version, a few people have tried fixing back to Alex's version only for it to be quickly undone.

    • @eriksolce7000
      @eriksolce7000 Před 3 lety +1

      @@robertmacfergus9288 That's what happens when someone wants to "win" an Internet argument. They sit in front of their computer mashing refresh. Check the talk tab at the top of the "Sauce" page to find the discussion over the matter.
      What is written currently is "technically" correct but they are still preferring the English translation as a source and using modern Internet pages based off that abridged translation as proof. They're caught in a loop about why hollandaise is listed.
      When enough time has passed and the majority of people agree with something that was opinion from the start, it is difficult to change everyone's mind even with proof of the original.

    • @robertmacfergus9288
      @robertmacfergus9288 Před 3 lety

      ​@@eriksolce7000 I don't think we are in disagreement. I do not believe the person who kept trying to remove and later hide Alex's information was doing something good. My reply was to point out that it was one person who was the problem rather then the entire wikipedia community.

  • @hamishfox
    @hamishfox Před rokem +8

    Brings new meaning to "lost in the sauce"

  • @drbrainlp
    @drbrainlp Před 3 lety +48

    When Alex uploads it's always a treat for all the senses! Love the videos man. Keep up the good work!

    • @dilawaizkhan8259
      @dilawaizkhan8259 Před 3 lety +2

      so true😁

    • @markmace22
      @markmace22 Před 3 lety +2

      Highly agree! You can tell he truly enjoys making us great content! Always informative and easy to ingest.

  • @GabeWeymouth
    @GabeWeymouth Před 3 lety +45

    "I still have a little surprise in my drawers." Phrasing!

    • @dgh25
      @dgh25 Před 3 lety +3

      🤣

    • @FiXato
      @FiXato Před 3 lety +2

      glad to see I'm not the only one whose mind went there. ;)

  • @BushXCGL
    @BushXCGL Před 3 lety +4

    That restricted part of the library is so beautiful.

  • @basb7545
    @basb7545 Před 3 lety

    This series has been of an incredible quality. Can't wait for the next one. Thank you Alex!

  • @zrobeast
    @zrobeast Před 3 lety +56

    I wonder how a lot of classically trained French chefs who always thought Hollandaise as a mother sauce will feel when this video goes viral.

  • @buzzman4860
    @buzzman4860 Před 3 lety +17

    That library is incredible

  • @EugeneBuvard
    @EugeneBuvard Před rokem +8

    This library is craaazy!! And the books are digitized, then OCRed for research functionalities, really impressive.

  • @gregboyer3956
    @gregboyer3956 Před 3 lety +36

    I'd always wondered about Hollandaise as being a mother sauce, since, having worked in kitchens for almost twenty years - by far mayonnaise is more used and versatile than Hollandaise. My one though on the difference between them is that the only real difference between them is the lipid used and the temperature - otherwise they are both egg sauces which fall within the water-in-oil emulsion category. I appreciate your dogged persistence in finding where Hollandaise unjustly took the Mother seat. From a cooks position, I will say: if you can make Hollandaise, you should definitely have the grounding to make mayonnaise whereas being able to make mayonnaise doesn't necessarily equate to being able to make Hollandaise. As far as education of the cook goes, making Hollandaise is more significant than making mayonnaise. What this really made me want to do, though, is attempt to make a mayonnaise with softened butter instead of oil to make a richer way to butter toast...

  • @arnaud7671
    @arnaud7671 Před 3 lety +24

    "What about mayo lovers [...] it's a *** mother sauce"
    *happy Boris' noise*

    • @thedanman9650
      @thedanman9650 Před 3 lety

      Lmao 😂
      Someone's gotta show him this video

  • @Taika_
    @Taika_ Před 3 lety +17

    As a food scientist your dedication brings me so much joy and satisfaction. Great job, Alex! Your channel never disappoints me 🤓💜

  • @Tofu61
    @Tofu61 Před 3 lety

    The fact that your edit is not only still there, but in fact expanded upon is really amazing and heartwarming to see.

  • @LarsPallesen
    @LarsPallesen Před 3 lety

    The editing of these videos is phenomenal! The montages in particular are works of art. Wow.

  • @JohnGrahambeehive
    @JohnGrahambeehive Před 3 lety +91

    Great to see it actually in Wikipedia “frenchguycooking”

    • @thedoctor2405
      @thedoctor2405 Před 3 lety +3

      @@JackHudler yep need to fight him

    • @PaulTMaack0
      @PaulTMaack0 Před 3 lety +4

      @@thedoctor2405 ​yeah. Did you check out the discussion? That guy must be a real joy at parties.

    • @ThisIsTheInternet
      @ThisIsTheInternet Před 3 lety +11

      @@PaulTMaack0 Wikipedia editors are unsung heroes keeping a lot of bad stuff from happening to important sources of publicly accessible knowledge behind the scenes. Alex's finding is interesting but it's not rigorous and jumps to conclusions. It's a starting point for figuring out what happened but it's not the answer (yet)

    • @edwincasimir28
      @edwincasimir28 Před 3 lety +10

      @@JackHudler Oh, so Wikipedia should now count indirectly sourced information and personal conclusions as part of an article? So if say, someone was to misconstrue the content of a legitimate source to come to the conclusion that the earth is flat, that should just be left in there as legit information. WP has quality standards. Unsolicited opinion does not hold water there.

    • @HeliosFish
      @HeliosFish Před 3 lety +4

      @@JackHudler It is an information portal that can be maintained by both scholars and laypersons alike. The main reason why there's a no original research policy is that it immensely reduces the burden of verifying any posted information to the simple act of checking it against the referenced sources. And that's what makes it good, since it doesn't require someone to have some obscure doctoral degree to fact check everything

  • @matekochkoch
    @matekochkoch Před 3 lety +66

    The dislikes are missing Heinz Ketchup in your article.

  • @stellamantikou4978
    @stellamantikou4978 Před 2 lety +1

    This episode brought my respect and love for Alex and his work to a whole new level I never thought possible. It is so cool that I come back to this episode often as a pick-me-up. Great job.

  • @chrishaselden
    @chrishaselden Před 3 lety +1

    Wow, what a bombshell. This was an amazing end to an amazing series on sauces. Thank you Alex!

  • @iadtag1853
    @iadtag1853 Před 3 lety +6

    The fact that this series alone is so GOOD makes it a no-brainer to just binge rewatch everything he uploaded.

  • @dimilton3166
    @dimilton3166 Před 3 lety +12

    This is probably the first Squarespace ad I have seen that deeply explains how it works.

  • @trisuryasaha5447
    @trisuryasaha5447 Před 3 lety

    Such an amazing video. Loved the journey of rediscovery . Your enthusiasm is truly commendable .

  • @agustiina91
    @agustiina91 Před 3 lety

    Amazing work Alex, as always. Can't wait to see what are you doing next.

  • @fargoflagrant7796
    @fargoflagrant7796 Před 3 lety +5

    ive been to that library before but this video makes it feel like a cool entirely new place

  • @ggd2192
    @ggd2192 Před 3 lety +151

    The 10 dislikes are the people who wrote the wikipedia sauce article

  • @ljubomirjakimovski3899

    Alex, pre 100k subs club here, this is by far the best series you've made. Thank you. Honestly, this has better value than any TV series I've watched recently. Thank you for standing up for Mayonnaise! You've inspired me not to settle when it comes to sauce and life aswell. Watching you I learn that there is but only one approach - avec l'amour! Your spark is heavily felt you wonderful french bastard. Merci. Merci beaucoup!

  • @PaulTMaack0
    @PaulTMaack0 Před 3 lety +268

    It's interesting that a bunch of guys on Wikipedia are like "Nah, bruh. Just because you went to the original source, and compared it to a translation and found the difference with your own eyes having held the source material in your literal physical hands doesn't mean you're right. We know better because everyone else says so. So there. We're right, and you're wrong."
    If you've never checked out the revision history, or the topic discussion on the revision history NOW would be a good time to go look at it. The level of douchery that Hippo guy wields is profound.

    • @HilbertXVI
      @HilbertXVI Před 3 lety +8

      Yeah it is absolutely stupid lmao

    • @HenryLeslieGraham
      @HenryLeslieGraham Před 3 lety +24

      its the same all over wikipedia. the point most moderators make is that... if a source - mainstream - reports it, then it can be used in the article... regardless of whether it is true or not.

    • @faronomus1589
      @faronomus1589 Před 3 lety +7

      @@HenryLeslieGraham yep
      I got blocked for trying to correct the day when etika/Desmond amofah die

    • @Pletzmutz
      @Pletzmutz Před 3 lety +32

      There is, however, an actual point to his objection. Which is that the "truth" is not just what the original source says but also how it is interpreted in the real world. If the literature and most international chefs consider hollandaise a mother sauce, it has, in practice, become true. Nontheless, it should still be acknowledged that the original says something else.

    • @damshek
      @damshek Před 3 lety +19

      Thing is, Wikipedia is less about determining what's the correct view, and more about reporting on what is the accepted view... Sure, that attitude can appear infuriating, but look- their idea is that if you allow original research, then anyone can go, "conduct original research" and rewrite any article with their non-peer reviewed, verified by nobody, claims. And while Alex has obviously been serious and meticulous, someone else could be very different. Like a flat earther rewriting a geology article, or someone claiming to have found the lost gospel of the Hebrews in an old book shop in Brazil or something. Wikipedia can't chase every new edit to check if it's true, so they stick to only allowing edits with secondary sources, where at least some prior review process has been done...
      So while Alex is almost certainly correct here, until his discovery is published somewhere or at the very least gets reported on by some culinary journal and gets commentary from a famous chef (which would make it "noteworthy" per their definitions), or something similar, they probably will not like it going in the article.

  • @v7ran
    @v7ran Před 3 lety +27

    Escoffier and Carême were probably rolling in their grave until you came along to correct history. Bravo, Alex

  • @vanessakitty8867
    @vanessakitty8867 Před 3 lety +4

    TY for giving us a first person view into your library. The information on the sauces has been incredible.

  • @kinlyki
    @kinlyki Před 3 lety +42

    Wikipedia deleted the entire sections of Mayonnaise vs Hollandaise

    • @User9681e
      @User9681e Před 3 lety +8

      What did you expect ?

    • @HenryLeslieGraham
      @HenryLeslieGraham Před 3 lety +4

      unfortunately alex did OR original research. and thats not allowed per wikipedia moderators

    • @MKJay
      @MKJay Před 3 lety +1

      @@HenryLeslieGraham OR?

    • @matthewlavin5633
      @matthewlavin5633 Před 3 lety +23

      @@HenryLeslieGraham I don't agree. In this case Alex did the exact opposite of Original Research, he went back and searched the Primary Sources written hundreds of years ago by the original authors. None of the writings were based on anything that he personally did, i.e. he didn't cook some food and then try to write on Wikipedia that this is the best way to cook this food while citing his own experience. The article was specifically citing the original primary source documents, which is the correct and required practice on WIkipedia.

    • @kaldo8907
      @kaldo8907 Před 3 lety +2

      @@MKJay Original research

  • @chriscromar9013
    @chriscromar9013 Před 3 lety

    Wow! Great finish to Mother Sauces. I have this feeling that you may be revisiting this sometime in the future.

  • @MythologyAlex
    @MythologyAlex Před 3 lety +11

    Beautiful to watch history get rewritten (or in this case, rectified) on CZcams

    • @jameshill2450
      @jameshill2450 Před 3 lety

      Unrewritten

    • @Helvianir
      @Helvianir Před 3 lety

      It's already been removed by wikipedians because muh supposed original research.

  • @DanielMores
    @DanielMores Před 3 lety +14

    "not ON my watch"
    But seriously, this episode feels like a Dan Brown thriller :-D

  • @TheNonameSenki
    @TheNonameSenki Před 3 lety

    Please never stop being so passionate and thorough about cooking and culinary history. Also, your video shooting and editing techniques are outstanding. They even open the library just for you, wow. :) You are the man, Alex... you are the man! :) I can't wait your next big series.

  • @FelipevCyrino
    @FelipevCyrino Před 3 lety

    Cant wait for the next series! Good Job!

  • @ntnnot
    @ntnnot Před 3 lety +7

    Impressive detective work. Truly. Basically a glitch in history due to an inexact translation.

  • @giacomoalloatti2426
    @giacomoalloatti2426 Před 3 lety +13

    Last episode of the seasoning

  • @icreatedthistx
    @icreatedthistx Před 3 lety

    I've watched your channel for.... 7 years? Your sauce series has been my favorite. I've enjoyed every video but this series was remarkable. Thank you.

  • @rafaarnold1818
    @rafaarnold1818 Před 3 lety

    Toujours magnifique ta photographie ! 👍🏻💪🏼. Great series

  • @QuizMasterEntertainment
    @QuizMasterEntertainment Před 3 lety +22

    As a guy who hates misinformation more than anything, this episode hits in all the right places for me

  • @CrimsonBlazz
    @CrimsonBlazz Před 3 lety +48

    If you head to the sauces wikipedia page you can see Alex's revisions as "frenchguycooking". Even better is the French mother sauces page which while it's been further edited, was completely originally written by Alex.
    EDIT: This has since been amended to a single line "In A Guide to Modern Cookery, the abridged English translation of Escoffier's Guide, mayonnaise was swapped with hollandaise, resulting in the following list of the five fundamental "mother sauces" used today:" Presumably, this is due to Wikipedia's stance on not having original research.

    • @ilkoconsult
      @ilkoconsult Před 3 lety +1

      Just did it
      :D

    • @iadtag1853
      @iadtag1853 Před 3 lety +8

      Never have I've been so proud and alive to see a Wikipedia edit this revolutionary and seemingly controversial. The internet will truly flip out!

    • @MSloCvideos
      @MSloCvideos Před 3 lety

      Shocker.

    • @schwuzi
      @schwuzi Před 3 lety +11

      @Mitch Goodfellow What are you on about? You can't be serious.
      A mother sauce in itself has nothing to do with modern cuisine, it's literally the base for other sauces. You can't change that.

    • @anthonybussa1627
      @anthonybussa1627 Před 3 lety +3

      @Mitch Goodfellow care to elaborate on the difference?

  • @chris_marso
    @chris_marso Před 3 lety +1

    This series was incredibly inspiring Alex. One of the best things I've seen on CZcams. Merci beaucoup.

  • @Selfdi
    @Selfdi Před 3 lety

    Alex! Banging series mate, really enjoyed it as all the series and videos! Thanks

  • @rotary7372
    @rotary7372 Před 2 lety +3

    I can't help but smile with delight that the library helped you so much. There are time where librarians really worked hard to get me information that really only mattered to me. Libraries are great institutions and the librarians are great people.

  • @Beregorn88
    @Beregorn88 Před 3 lety +15

    You would be surprised about how many things have their origins in an english mistranslation: I'm looking at you, "pineapple" and "kangaroo"...

  • @my.coffeehouse
    @my.coffeehouse Před 3 lety

    You've improved so much Alex with your baking skills and your videos... Great work!! Beau travail 🤓

  • @vanessaleblanc4085
    @vanessaleblanc4085 Před 3 lety

    I have truly loved this series. Well, I to be honest, I love all your videos. You make everything exciting and fun! Can’t wait to see what you have planned next.

  • @GuerkHD
    @GuerkHD Před 3 lety +5

    At this moment (April 2021) the article for French Mother Sauces includes mayonnaise as a special case at the end of the list and even lists it in the section where the basic recipe for each mother sauce is listed as a "sixth" mother sauce.

  • @lyynhrt
    @lyynhrt Před 3 lety +4

    Nothing has made me more proud of Alex than this episode

  • @daddydeadbones
    @daddydeadbones Před 3 lety +2

    Just want to say how much you inspire me to not only learn about cooking traditions but also to never stop loving the food we cook/eat. Your elegant passion displayed in these videos make me fall in love with food and the art of cooking every single time!

  • @pierrejacquemin3321
    @pierrejacquemin3321 Před 3 lety

    De très loin ma chaîne préférée sur CZcams. Je me suis mis à cuisiner grâce à toi : je débute seulement mon obsession pour les ramens. Bravo pour tout, pour la qualité des recettes, pour ta passion contagieuse, pour l'humour et pour l'approche rationnelle de la gastronomie. Je te souhaite de très bonnes fêtes de fin d'année.

  • @gianandreifabia9052
    @gianandreifabia9052 Před 3 lety +7

    As of 12:01 12 December 2020, the section for "The special case of Mayonnaise sauce" was removed. The editor of the page notes: "Mayo does not net a full heading, the explanation has been moved to the tail of the list in the history section." I don't know what to feel about this, given what we saw in the video.

  • @dixonyamada6969
    @dixonyamada6969 Před 3 lety +9

    6:27 when he said "sauce tomate" it really sounded like "saus tomat" which is indonesian for ketchup

  • @HostileTakeover2
    @HostileTakeover2 Před 3 lety

    The editing and camera work just get better and better!

  • @RealAndySkibba
    @RealAndySkibba Před 3 lety +7

    This CZcams series should be referenced in the Wikipedia article too if it's not.
    Bon travail Alex!

  • @Feelicitasy
    @Feelicitasy Před 3 lety +49

    As a librarian, this is probably the best video on this series, just saying. We know stuff, and we know where to find it :D

  • @Rexer73
    @Rexer73 Před 2 lety

    Hello Alex from Faroe Islands, discovered your channel two days ago and I'm on quite a binge. Just wanted to say thank you. Your videos are amazing.

  • @Oscar-mi7yi
    @Oscar-mi7yi Před 3 lety

    Alex... Just how have you got so good at this? Honestly incredible. You have come so far, and are just getting exponentially better. What a phenomenal series, near perfection. Thank you

  • @lezorn
    @lezorn Před 3 lety +4

    Writing a Wikipedia article never looked as exiting as in this epic montage.