The FASTEST Giro D'Italia in Cycling History (The Not DOPED Chris Froome Won)
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- Giro D'Italia 2022 is now on fire with Jay Hindley and Richard Carapaz fighting for the pink jersey in the Tour of Italy. But in the past, other Giro D'Italia were amazing, like the FASTEST of them, 2018 Giro D'Italia with characters like Chris Froome and his epic Landis in Finestre. Know his story.
#Cycling, #Sports, #Doping - Sport
Not DOPED
Just AUT.
In Team SKY's 1,500+ page defense (it may have been 1,700+) of FROOME they NOTED that the LEVELS of SOLBUTIMOL were consistent so that the DOUBLE the LEGAL LEVELS wouldn't of helped him because.
WOW.
That was SUCH B.S.
Give the title back to the actual talent: Tom Dumoulin. And suspend this British Landis for LIFE.
@@rickykoswin5309 Ever had asthma ? Thought not.
Froome ( in the Vuelta ) was found to have taken 24 inhalations of Ventolin in 24 hours. My 6 year-old grand-daughter was given 10 inhalations in one go.
That level is not performance-enhancing.
@peter west Yes I have as a matter of fact. No one with ASTHMA could be a Professional Cyclist who wins GRAND TOURS.
Several UCI Mens Cyclists have been suspended for using Solbutimol and they had much lower levels than Froome did.
Wiggins was also using Solbutimol when he won the 2012 TDF.
Over half of Team SKY uses INHALERS.
Tim Wellens abandoned the 2017 TDF because he refused to use an inhaler after having a bronchial issue. He cited that the use of inhalers is being ABUSED amongst Pro Cyclists.
When Tim was on a team when he was younger 5 of his 7 teammates where using inhalers.
He said anyone using an INHALER in Pro Cycling is CHEATING.
Other Pro Cyclists who have used SOLBUTIMOL where SUSPENDED from 9 months to 1 1/2 years and they had levels of SOLBUTIMOL in their systems that were much lower than Froomes had.
In the 2018 Giro d'italia Froome after having been cleared from the Vuelta a Espnana knew that he could abuse SOLBUTIMOL in the 2018 GIRO and he did.
@@rickykoswin5309 If you could even spell it, you might have some credibility.
You might also look up Exercise Induced Asthma to see why so many athletes, across all sports, have to use salbutamol. It is one of the most widely-used medicines in the World.
the shade! omg the shade being thrown in every line of the script 😂 cycling stories is relentless and golden as always.
You are, by far, the best at what you do.....And this video proves it. Even Stevie Wonder and Ray Charles could SEE that Froome, as Chris Bennett so eloquently stated, "Oh man, he did a LANDIS..".....I am a newcomer to your channel, but I am totally making you one of my top three channels....Thanks and keep up the great work.
Thank you for becoming my new favourite CZcams channel. Loved watching these races live, thought the exact same thing at the time. Well done to you. Keep them coming.
Disneylandis 2.0 😂
Few facts, most of which you've ignored:
Half of that 3 minutes gain was in downhill, because Dumoulin waited for Reichenbach (team colleague of Pinot) and even then they've been descending slower as Reichenbach is a really bad descender.
Pinot was not pulling (maybe 1 or 2 times), same Carapaz and Lopez (competing for white jersey). So it was basically Froome vs. Dumoulin/Reichenbach. And Reichenbach was tired and is a bad time trialist. He's been effectively slowing down Dumoulin during his turns on the flat.
On Finestre, Froome did 397W during his solo, Dumoulin 395W. But Froome was a bit lighter, which resulted in 40 seconds gap.
On the last climb, Froome and Dumoulin had the same time (If I remember, only 1 sec different), meaning Dumoulin produced higher power. By the way, Froome was 3 minutes slower then Nibali several years ago. Different circumstances of course, but it shows how tired he was.
He entered Giro with overweight, targeting peaking in the last week and keeping his form until TdF. Also had 2 tumbles, which always takes some energy off, as body needs to use it for recovery. So, end of Giro was the monent he should be at his best, while some others were already fading.
His team prepared for this scenario, so his feeding was perfect.
And last but not least, he was lucky for good conditions. No headwind. Hot weather (wasn't the case in the first part of Giro). And according to Froome's lab tests, he performs better in warm conditions.
If you take all of this into an account final outcome doesn't seem suspect to me. Far from what Landis did in almost every single aspect.
I am not naive to think that Sky was clean. Especially in their early years the gap between them and other teams was quite significant (not anymore in 2018). But even in those early years I've never seen anything close to performance of likes Pogacar or Roglic who are winning from spring to autumn without even look tired after winning stage. Last few years are the darkest times I've seen in 25 years watching cycling.
It is like that time your wife was in bed with two men. They were checking the stitching in the pillows and, because of the heat, couldn't concentrate with their heavy work clothes on. Doesn't seem suspect at all.
Those facts don't suit this guy's narrative
We like these comments
We don't think Dumo was the cleanest guy on the peloton, Aderlass OP
Spot on! This channel is a fucking joke. Slating riders just for views. Your a parasite my friend. If you dont like the sport dont watch it. I suggest golf or cricket for you😉😜
My reading of the situation is similar:
I followed the giro that year on a bike. Here are some comments based on my observations, in chronological order:
- CR was the reigning Tour and Vuelta champ and the favourite at the start. Their stated plan was to start the season late, and still go for the Tour, so his stated goal was to finish the Giro fast.
- I am sure the crash in Israel didn't help... it is not like there isn't a credible explanation for what happened
- many were commenting on how Yates was buring matches over the first two weeks. Sky knew that it's a 3 week race, and you can win it (or lose it) on the last few stages (like Carapaz yesterday and Hindley in the TT since the Froome win)
- the race was fast every day - probably because different teams were trying different things at different times.
- the Zoncolan stage, for example had some bumps before the Zoncolan and I remember seeing Team Sky absolutely drilling it on one of the descents/valley floors before the Zoncolan. They were clearly implementing a plan of wearing the riders out before the final hill.
- I managed to get to talk to Ellingworth on the bottom of the Zoncolan. They were quietly confident that their plan was coming together (which was subsequently evidenced by the goal of having froome lose weight over the 2nd week of the race)
- Froome beat Yates on the Zoncolan - and a ore objective reading of the footage may be that Yates was starting to pay for his fast start
- Ineos were the strongest team in the race. You spoke of Pucio and Elisonde. Don't forget folk like Poels and Henao had kept the pace high on stages after the TT - I think it was all part of the plan.
- Ineos's helpers were brimming with confidence when I spoke to them on the side of the road - they were executing a plan
- the run on famous day was planned, and you even acknowledged that Doumolin made mistakes... You also need to remember that this was Froome's plan, and they had not anticipated it.
It was amazing to see the plan come together... and he was not killing himself before the Tour... riding himself into form...
I don't find it necessary to conclude that this is/was a doping situation. For me, I clicked on this video to relive it as it is one of my fondest Giro memories!
Great content....thanks. Really enjoy your story telling.
People complain so much about Froome and having elevated sabutamol levels but I almost never see mention of Contador testing positive for Clenbuterol and having titles stripped, he's always remembered as a great winner - people don't seem to care so much about the actual doping as the media image of the rider.
That because Froomester got away with it.. where countless riders before had been found guilty and banned for the exact same thing!!
Contador was 0.00000000005grs of clembuterol, so hilarious
@@tokyovelo588 having looked through the info about Contador's ban it certainly does seem like a double standard. Mind you it is a banned substance that he says was in contaminated food he ate, whereas Froome returned an adverse analytical finding for sabutamol (?) but he claims the excessive amount in his system was a mistake after his asthma got worse. I get people hate the double standard, they both should really have either been given benefit of doubt or had titles stripped imo, but the question then remains why people hate Froome surely they should be angry at WADA / UCI..
That's because there's a massive difference between those two things you buffoon. And to quote the previous reply "Contador was 0.00000000005grs of clembuterol, so hilarious" I had never heard the term picograms. It was the only lab in the world that could have even found such a small amount.
Both never got back to their best level after getting busted.
Froome's break was epic. I loved every minute of it. Brilliant TV.
Best cycling moment of the 2010's, so I really don't care if it was clean or not
@@tomcads1604 You're barmy
it surely is entertaining, and thats what we all want^^
Ofcoruse athletes are doped. I have nothing against it. Everybody want them go faster, stronger. Race more, play more games, score more points. And then are surprised when someone is on doping. Anyone doing sports knows how much regeneration matters. Can't do it on this level clean. Doping just let's you work harder and does guys work hard. Nothing comes by itself
It's funny how everyone shit talks Froome but guys putting much higher watts per kilo for longer times nowadays are completely fine. What Pogačar and Van Aert are capable of is beyond insane. Don't get me wrong, I love them both. But if Froome did just one performance life those everybody would be saying how juiced he is.
Wonderful channel you have here. Great exposition and with a terrific accent. Well done and keep at it!
i dont say he wasnt doped, but one has to admit that he gained a lot of time in the descentes, carapaz an Lopez were interrupting and disturbing the chaser, pinot and Tom waited too long for reichenbach and there were no "long flat parts" where tom could make a big difference, also froom wasnt a band tt guy either. just to put all this in context
I personally think think that it’s impossible to win a grand tour without being doped. That doesn’t mean that what Froome and others did is anything short of incredible.
The break away was epic! A guy vs the peloton hahaha.
Peloton is saying much, let's go with "reduced bunch of favorites"
Man the giro 2018 was something else. Great Giro!
Best edition in recent memory
@@wolfzeev3376 I think 2017 and 2016 are also great ones, but maybe that is because I'm dutch...
He was so good on Alpe d' Huez!
I stopped watching cycling because of Froome. Only now am I getting back into it.
hard luck mate froome,s coming back check out the tour de france today your going to have to stop watching cycling again
@@panheead noooooooooo
Same....couldn't stand to watch that ugly cadence.....lizard on a bike.
I stopped watching with Armstrong, then again with Froome. e-bikes were delivered to his team in 2016. Contador was punished because he refused to let Armstrong win in his come back... now, people are questioning Vingegaard's Tour time trial 2023.
Your videos are epic. Keep them coming please.
It’s amazing how many idiots in the comments don’t understand what he’s saying in them.
Froome was accused of taking 24 inhalations of Salbutamol in 24 hours. My five year-old grand-daughter had an asthma attack, was taken to hospital and given ten inhalations of salbutamol at one go.
That should put the accusations into perspective.
But, at least we know from this Irish channel that no Irish rider ever doped.
Yeah but your daughter has asthma, Froomie doesn't! The side effect of Salbutamol is weight loss - it burns fat not muscle so very advantageous for cyclists. I use the same stuff for asthma so I had to laugh when Sky and Froomie came up with their phoney medical diagnosis. Even with medication Froomie could not perform at that level with asthma....it's a medical impossibility...I call BS on that one!
@@XBKLYN All the other riders accept that Froome has asthma.
Nice to see that xenophobia is still alive and well in the sky fan boy club, pathetic that you choose to use that to defend one of the most suspect cycling teams, and team leaders in recent decades
The ventoline wizard!
"..from the asthmatic" 🤣🤣
If Most Doped Giro of 2009 with LA, Di Luca, Menchov, Froome was like that imagine the fastest one, this with Froomey flying 4 months after being positive for salbutamol.
Legend
In all honestly, I've stopped caring. This is just how cycling (and sports) is. I say legalise everything 😂😂
Way to go buddy!
This wasnt like Landis. The distance was similar, but that is about it.
Landis put the whole Phonak team on the front early, burnt them all out then broke free from a very large group which chased him for the rest of the stage, including quite a long flat bit. I watched the whole stage. It was amazing, but not credible. Landis had also completely blown the stage before losing a ton of time on the last climb. Seems he probably took a transfusion to allow him to recover and that transfusion was itself contaminated. It was the most amazing riding i have ever seen, especially given he was on the floor the day before - bit too amazing.
Froome had been riding ok in this Giro. He had won the Tour and the Vuelta the year before. We were into week three where Froome tends to get stronger. We saw that in numerous Tours de France (if other riders had attacked Froome more in the first week/ten days i think he would have won several fewer Tours). Yes, he was behind, but on this stage he broke clear on the Finestre, but he actually made a lot of his time gap on the descents. Something that is often forgotten is that Froome turned himself into a demon descender. This piece mentions that, but it is actually pretty astonishing that he gained so much time on descents. Yes, he held off the chasers for 80 odd km, including some flat but the chase group itself was pretty small, there were only a handful of riders chasing - Landis held off a really big group. Yates blew completely on this stage, so i don't see what the relevance is there.
Whether Froome doped or not i do not know, but to say he "did a Landis" is really wholly untrue in terms of the facts - the two are just not comparable.
froome is sorta underrated as a descender imo. he was really, REALLY skilled in his prime. I mean, the whole world probably knows that, but what I dont think they realize is just how much his descending skills benefitted his grand tour results.
@@neelsahay5227 He invented a new style of descending...since banned!
@@HdyDdy-qs8kq i think mohoric is the one who invented the pedaling-while-supertucked thing.
@@neelsahay5227 I had never seen it before Froome did it, but you may well be right. What was crazy was that he really wasn't rated especially as a descender before that and he moved to a place where he was taking big chunks of time on the descents. Since you cannot dope for that, i think you have to give the guy some serious credit.
He was seen struggling up climbs prior to him becoming the unbeatable Tour de France champion. He was zig zagging up a steep climb. The evolution was hard to believe.
Every incident in the last 35 years where someone has just ridden the best GC riders off their wheels with an 80km solo has been suspect. There is no way to explain it.
He didn't just ride them off his wheel? He attacked them? It's not an absurd idea to imagine the others not wanting to go as deep so far out from the finish line
I think the truth of it is Sky pushed the TUE's to a boundary of acceptability and perhaps beyond, but for me it remains a date in cycling history beyond others. I loved watching the Froome win, but it wasnt without contention.
Offcourse you loved it as a Brit. I hate Froome. I rather had Yates as a winner. This day also goes in history as rhe day I smashed my TV out off pure anger. And no I'm not from Australia.
@@Kvs-vf9nt I hit 'like' because I'm entertained. I had a good chuckle!
Im no expert, but I'd advise you to get help for your anger issues. What did the TV do wrong? Did it not show you what you wanted to see? If not, why not just turn it off or change the channel? Save yourself the potential injury.
Do you even know this guy? Its not like he's a politician, dictator or murderer/rapist.
Pro sports are nothing but entertainment. NOTHING but a spectacle. They're ALL corrupt in some manner. Doping is just a symptom of the greater sickness.
@@rollinrat4850 I had a bet and that was before the Giro on Simon. And I like the guy he's humble. And that's a couple off years ago now. I don't do heroin and Crack since 2 years now. Also I'm a damaged person because I was very good with the youth well the 2 years and a bit I could ride with them because as it seems to happen I have Spondylitis Ankylosans. An auto-immune disease and I was very angry about it. So much that I can't switch it off because my first year at 13y old I rode top 5's in hilly Benelux races and top 10 in Italian races. So not bad for a freshman that came from football. Now I'm 32 and I quit the alcohol since June too, and lost 17kg allready. I'm 98kg again so still a lot to go to get my ideal weight off 75kg (I'm 1m89cm) I found the bike again, although just for fun and condition and weight loss. I bough a Scott racebike (a 2022 model) with an 105-R7000 groupset. So yeah I rather forget those years but they still happened. I did a lot off stupid stuff because I couldn't accept the disease. I literally wanted to die when I was 16.. Then I got the right medications but I still had depressions until June this year. But I have to accept it. Life really s*cks sometimes...
@@Kvs-vf9nt Right on man. Glad to hear you've got your life under control now.
I appreciate your honesty as well. I try to give people some slack because you never know what regular people are going through.
My wife also has an auto immune disease, fortunately it's under control now. I try to focus on the positive things in my life. I realized how good I've got it. Life could be so much worse! The negative stuff are simply challenges to overcome.
Ive had friends who went off the deep end with drugs, in jail and dead. Cycling helped to save my life, serves my adventurous spirit and encourages a healthier lifestyle.
Over half of Team SKY were using INHALERS.
bollox
Insurgence of asthma is quite normal for cyclists. In my junior team 4 out o 13 use it and I'm probably starting to the same way next year. And no we're not doing it because we want to win more (0 top 10s up to this date 🤔) but just to be able to survive a race without dying. Do not write about stuff you don't know anything about.
@@Venetianmappingandanimations xdddddddddd
Jay Hindley took one and a half minutes out of Carapaz in a few km up a steep mountain two days ago, Froom only took one and a half minutes out of Dumoulin on the 25 km of mountains why is this seen as dubious?
Watts per kilo hindley carapaz and landa smoke froome
@@bigeastender6174 Yes 6.75 W/Kg for Hindley
To be fair if you go over the limit and crack on a climb as steep as Fedaia (last 5km all above 10%), especially on stage 20 of a grand tour you can lose a lot of time very quickly, so that part isn’t too out of the question.
6.75W/kg is crazy numbers though that came out of nowhere
Didnt sky say they planned a 3rd week upheaval? I recall an interview where they said they didnt care at all about yates and were planning for this stage to attack... could be mistaken
You are spot on - see my comments elsewhere.
They were sure Yates had gone too hard in the first two weeks... and they just kept it hard banking on him blowing up.
since 1980 i watch cyclism as one of my friend watch WWE. He enjoy the show, so do i. If you ever made the Zoncolan on bicycle, you do not need this channel to tell you what is or isn't doped. juice for all! Like Moser said 20 years ago. The best still win.
20 years ago is 2003
I think Froome was 5.9w/kg on Finestre. We just saw 6.7w/kg for 30min in week 3 of the Giro.... go figure.
Which Giro performance was that? Sounds a bit on the high side.
Are you referring to Hindley ?
No way those numbers are correct, pogacar and co were doing 6.2-6.4ish maximum at tour this year and they are the highest level
Superb.
Love your videos. Followed cycling since the 70s. Not so keen any more. All seem to cheat in some way. Seen it all my life competing. In the pool in wheels or foot and all 3. Someone always pushing the boundaries
My mistake .... it was the VUELTA that Froome DOPED on and WON as well where Team SKY defended him.
Dopaçar... ehmm sorry, Pogaçar is almost the same, seeing him ascending like it was nothing while his rivals struggle give me serious Armstrong vibes
If Froome was using PEDs, imagine what Pog and MVP is on lol
Also PED? At least they were good from the very beginning of their careers, unlike overnight transformation Froome
The froome dog, he was wracked with many many ailments. The fact he even managed to get on a bike is a miracle. The fact he won it, just shows dreams can come true.
He is the only rider whose strength of will determination and dedicated work ethic Rivals that of Lance Armstrong.
The Fancy Bear hacks bro.
He’s going to the TDF 2022 Ha
What’s the motorcycle doing at 7:33?
He fell
Can the juice, help a rider gain time decending?
Brilliant. Froomstrong.
Fromme did a landis and none of the press batted an eyelid. The whole thing just stinks.
Good think Roche never did anything like that !
@@peterwest5525 he would never!
Was basically froome vs doumulin as no one was helping the chase. A little different
@@oliverlennard wise up. Froome never looked like doing anything thing up to that point. He was literally nowhere. Remember what George Bennett said afterwards. Obviously the jiffy bag from Manchester arrived in the nick of time. If it looks like a duck, sounds like a duck...then it's a duck. Team Sky is complete Bullshit!
@@donnellykieranj I agree Sky has been dodgy with the TUE’s and probably some banned substances as well. I’m just commenting it’s a different situation.
Also interesting that Froome gets destroyed by the public for testing over the limit of a legal/controlled substance.
While Contador gets popped with an illegal substance and everyone gives him a pass.
Total legend and lovely person. Brilliant tactics but still he had to ride it out.
I'm not claiming Froome is clean or doped, but wasn't the crux of his victory on this staged attested to their aggressive and calculated nutritioning plan? You even mentioned the bottles in the video, they'll have contained different mixtures of electrolytes and carbohydrates depending on his needs during the effort. I'm not aware of the nutrition plans on the chasing teams here, but Team Sky/now Ineos have been on the forefront of professionalism in this regard. Team JumboVisma is now matching if not surpassing this aspect and the results speak volumes.. Though something can be said for the sudden rise of Slovenian riders of course!
If a carb and electrolites plan helped you win by minutes, the competition must have been on white bread and steak.
It's BS. These are all the best in the world, trained to the bone, using all the latest on training techniques, diet, sleeping, etc....
You don't take mlinutes on them just by weighing some carbs....
@@RandomUsername34 To be fair, the other teams all laughed at Sky’s cool-downs and lots of the other “marginal gains” stuff, but now they all do it. It’s easy to over-estimate how professional some of the teams were before Sky came along. Small details didn’t matter much when everyone was doped to the gills.
Sky introduced lots of new ideas to the sport. And they also cheated (getting a TUE that isn’t really therapeutic isn’t pushing the rules, it’s doping). Both these things can be true.
If Team Sky and Froome had been remotely interested in marginal gains, do you not think he might have practiced riding in an aerodynamic position, without his elbows sticking out like a parachute, shown to be one of the simplest ways of saving watts ...?
@@ComicalFlask I follow a lot of Dutch cyclists, they often talk about the level of professionalism at JumboVisma which is ahead of the other teams they rode for before (although, other teams should be catching up too). It's the micromanagement of things, making sure riders have absolutely nothing to worry about except their training & rest. I do think it can impact the riders in meaningful ways.
@@renatab8293 he has a good tt position and aero position on the flats, plus he was really aerodynamic while pedaling on the descents. Elbows out on the climbs aren’t a big deal as he is not in a aero position anyway.
Hahahahahaha Puccio has been one of the key riders for Sky/Ineos for years... Aside from the obvious bias against Froome, the shot at Puccio was completely unnecessary and uncalled for. Yates on the other hand has since proved again and again that he's not GT material when it comes to the Giro, and Dumoulin lost some time but it wasn't like he got destroyed when looking at climbing times and power, so there's nothing suspicious in Froome's epic win.
For those not paying attention to the video the end mentioning the oval chanrings is very important. Oval chainrings are notorious for chain skip and dropped chains but if you keep a high cadence gear ( big back sprocket) there is no issues with this as the biggest back sprockets have less cordial action which is what leads to dropped or popped chains off the rings. These oval rings allow you to climb faster as you can now use a higher cadence without the saddle hopping pain. He was doped to the gills here I am no contesting that, just that the Oval rings do make a difference, specially when climbing.
Thanks for claryfing it was ovals. I was playing the Last part few times to understand what the narrator was saying but his accent is so bad I could not understand what the hell he's sayin.
You must be a happy fela.
Froome, the man who made being asthmatic an advantage.
Froome was like 2pac post prison on that Giro. All eyez on him and pushed to the limit on the bike anyways. Then 0 victories.
The press was talking up his Tour bid at the time of his accident.
The bookies had him as favourite...
Froome the Buzz Lightyear of cycling. 5.5 million euro per year
As Nate Diaz would say "They're all on steroids". 🤷😅💯
Both Froomes parents are british so no need to mention that white kenyan thing everytime 😊 He is possible born in Kenya, but to British parents, so his ethnicity is British 🇬🇧
The Irish are ridiculously racist so no surprise; oh and they hate the English so they’ll never acknowledge Froome as English
There is no such ethnicity as "British". It is a geographic denomination, not even a nationality. He's Kenyan with native European ancestry.
There's a difference between skepticism and cynicism - far too often your commentary is on the wrong side of that line
So what's the WRONG side??? Lol
The body of Coppi..and growing up in Kenya.
dopo una caduta è difficile tornare sul palco in cui eri, ci sono tanti ostacoli che devi affrontare... per tornare ad essere competitivo
Fruity video, very slanted of course. Of Froome's main opposition that day, Yates generally suffers in the third week of tours anyway, and despite Dumoulin's Giro win he was hardly frailty free either - whether mind or legs, and his tactics that day were catastrophic - the guy relied - I'll say that again - RELIED on Pinot - the most mercurial l thing to ever happen to bicycles. Carapaz wasn't yet the finished product and how long has it been since Movistar knew how to ride a mountain stage as a team - getting on for a decade or two!
Btw, Elissonde had shown good climbing form for a year or so prior to signing on for Sky - silly to suggest his performance was at odds with that part of his career.
Who knows about Sky really, but there's plenty about the circumstances and the riders involved in this stage to say at the very least it was a combination of factors rather than just one majorly doped (or not) performance.
Froome is the GOAT
Not even close
Great doper
Not doped lol hilarious
That way everyone could get the recognition that the supposedly deserve
The fastest victory in the Giro was in 1983, when Giuseppe Saronni won at an average speed of 38.937 kilometres per hour (24.194 mph).
That’s not true. In the Giro that Froome won, he averaged 40.181 km/hr. That is the fastest.
Doped to the gills.
Read his book!
Micro gains or is it micro injections LOL Brutal script but so true
It is all about the carbs ! haha great one
"He did a Landis". As a British fan of cycling (and keen cyclist in my younger days) it astounds me that r
Brailsford and Wiggins were knighted at a time when rumours were rife. Now we know much more about both of them and about Froome. As the commentators said when Lance attacked, "unbelievable". A very good video.
Froome is definitely one of the best!
I never trusted froome , he just became too good 😮
Can I just say I'm an asthmatic and I take salbutamol and clenil everyday and although it improves my breathing, it has absolutely no effect on my cycling ability.
I have looked hard at this stage. I am biased to be honest because I believe in Froomey and want to believe in this win. But let's face it, cycling is not Known has a 'clean' sport and this was a 'fast' race. So, without futher 'ado:)
Asthma aside:) When I look at the race, the tactics Froome employed seems to fit especially when considering where Yates was in his performance. But also, Tom Dumalans mistake was also telling. I think that Froomes win was due to an epic well calculated and well executed move. The fueling strategy. If accepted. But, I Think, the rest can be put down to the fact that no one believed he could make the time back enough to challenge the standings. so, they let him make the move and then underestimated it's potential. So yes, an outstanding performance by Froome, but equally a race lost by Simon and Tom. They let him go and gave it away really?
But then, it's cycling and so, who knows? But for me, I can see how it could be a great race well won..
INEOS DOPING TEAM 👏👏👏👏👏
I love all you people that have a degree in medicine and know all about doping. Everyone is intital to there own opinion. Mine is that Chris has put alot of hard work into cycling and it has payed off for him. It also nearly cost him his life. I have meet the guy and he was a real gentleman and made time for Everyone around wanting photos. I hope that he will have a little come back but it is a big ask. In my opinion he gave us one of the best moments in 🚲
It's a marathon not a sprint. Why are you so bitter. This was the best day of cycle racing I have ever watched...... Go Froomy....
@@davidlunt5632 I get mad when I see all the stuff about doping. Chris was cleared of any charge by experts. I think Chris has brought so much to cycling I wish people would respect his achievements.
@@marymurphy6727 Mary I fully agree. It is obvious from the way races are now that to make an extraordinary effort, cyclists need to be protected by the team for days and choose when to do it.... Miss Chris being up and art them....
One of the nicest and most humble pro athlete in the world. Anyone who met him admits that. This guy is role model.
Maybe he wasn't 100% clean but who is clean in professional sports?? He is one of the giants in cycling, top 5 in history. He made one of the most epic things in cycling and people look like forgot about that. Nowadays we have pogacar who's an absolute freak of nature but nobody have doubts about him. So why froome yes and pogacar no?
Not Top 5 in Cycling History
For example, Merckx, Hinault, Coppi, Indurain, De Vlaemnick... Froome only had big wins in Grand Tours, not classics, olímpycs or worlds and a lot of them were thanks to the superior team and medical preparation
@@cyclingstories he still has tt medals in worlds and olympics
I would put Merckx as the goat
Lance for grand tours with pogacar maybe in the future Cavendish for sprint and for classics Gilbert i didnt watch Sean Kelly and etc so i cant coment on them but since he can do both cobble and hills also had the 3 ardene wins in the same week and for tt Cancellara since he was the best ive seen in both tt and cobble
If u consider a cocked up Merckx u have to put lance there aswell
@@cyclingstories can't forgot about Lance even if he was canceled
How can you compare Giro's speed with 2009 it always has a different route
Use average speed per mile for similar gradients.
winning a Grand Tour = Doped (post 1990) pretty simple
And pre? Bro before they where taking drugs like crazy.
Is there anything new, or are you just made another pointless rant? As Philippa York put it quite eloquently, Froome won that one literally because Tom Dumoulin was stared down and didn’t dare chasing alone.
He didn’t save much energy waiting for the group. It was just him and Reichenbach doing the pulls. Every time Reichenbach does a pull, the group slows down, forcing Tom to pull harder during his turn.
Mmm...
A british defending a british
Yes
@@cyclingstories You should see York’s usual stance on these sort of things. Also it came out of CyclingNews, a very much anti-sky and anti-Froome establishment.
The next stage 20, the younger-Champ Dumoulin was given all the chances to prove himself better than Froome & yet failed in all his attempts. He commented later like this ...that Froome could still kick his bike for the unexpected during the TDF 2018.
That clown was as doped as Lance was. Lol.
This channel makes me think that there should be different classifications such as, for instance, “Doped”, “Undoped” and “Everyone else”…
Ineos DOPING TEAM 🤕🤕
….and the opera continues…
Look at the state of them. God bless real men on real bikes 40 years ago.
I believe Froome was clean
Chris “Daddy Long Legs” Froome
Propably doped, but without evidense it’s a lost course.
Disneylandous 2.0
You dull tone sent me to sleep my Irish cousin.
Oh dear. Froome came into that race cold as he intended to compete in le Tour also. Most of the time he gained on that break was gained downhill. You're not a fan of context or detail, just allegation.
Gross.
Disgusting after 27 years of watching (doped) cycling this was the day that broke me.
Hmmmmm 🤔 he was too good to be true.
One of your best.
Froome was on epo, testosterone, growth hormone, blood doping and cortisol.
Or, none of the above.
Biggest fraud in cycling history
Thats LA not froome!
The whole sky team is a fraud. UK postal!!!
@RealSweetKid think of a guy who had 0 pro wins and no solid results in any races until he was 26 and then all of a sudden won 6 GTs and was gifted another one.
Ofcoruse athletes are doped. I have nothing against it. Everybody want them go faster, stronger. Race more, play more games, score more points. And then are surprised when someone is on doping. Anyone doing sports knows how much regeneration matters. Can't do it on this level clean. Doping just let's you work harder and does guys work hard. Nothing comes by itself
The very idea of “Not Doped” just doesn’t seem to make any sense, lol!
That day (and Froome's performance) will forever be a big question mark of its validity. It was a super human performance. Froome had never even attempted a move such as that from that far out. CF was probably pumped full of salbutamol before the stage even began (do they measure levels just before a race?) and his team had a great plan of attack. That along with the aggressive nutrition and Froome being aggressive riding downhill and his pursuers hesitating at times. That would never happen in today's cycling. They've gotten faster and everyone's got nutrition dialed in. Is it believable? Sure. It was a perfect storm for CF to escape. If the top GC guys would have worked together better they could have either caught him or limited their losses. Most I remember about that day is how horrible Yates cracked.
I followed the giro that year on a bike. Here are some comments based on my observations, in chronological order:
- CR was the reigning Tour and Vuelta champ and the favourite at the start. Their stated plan was to start the season late, and still go for the Tour, so his stated goal was to finish the Giro fast.
- I am sure the crash in Israel didn't help... it is not like there isn't a credible explanation for what happened
- many were commenting on how Yates was buring matches over the first two weeks. Sky knew that it's a 3 week race, and you can win it (or lose it) on the last few stages (like Carapaz yesterday and Hindley in the TT since the Froome win)
- the race was fast every day - probably because different teams were trying different things at different times.
- the Zoncolan stage, for example had some bumps before the Zoncolan and I remember seeing Team Sky absolutely drilling it on one of the descents/valley floors before the Zoncolan. They were clearly implementing a plan of wearing the riders out before the final hill.
- I managed to get to talk to Ellingworth on the bottom of the Zoncolan. They were quietly confident that their plan was coming together (which was subsequently evidenced by the goal of having froome lose weight over the 2nd week of the race)
- Froome beat Yates on the Zoncolan - and a ore objective reading of the footage may be that Yates was starting to pay for his fast start
- Ineos were the strongest team in the race. You spoke of Pucio and Elisonde. Don't forget folk like Poels and Henao had kept the pace high on stages after the TT - I think it was all part of the plan.
- Ineos's helpers were brimming with confidence when I spoke to them on the side of the road - they were executing a plan
- the run on famous day was planned, and you even acknowledged that Doumolin made mistakes... You also need to remember that this was Froome's plan, and they had not anticipated it.
It was amazing to see the plan come together... and he was not killing himself before the Tour... riding himself into form...
I don't find it necessary to conclude that this is/was a doping situation. For me, I clicked on this video to relive it as it is one of my fondest Giro memories!
Facts
Motordoped... unreal and unnatural.... sitting down attacking...
4 Tour de France, 2 Vuelta a España, 1 Giro de Italia. Punto.
NUNCA sancionado por doping. Punto
Al que NO le gusta toda esa REALIDAD,que le den...
An athlete wouldn’t use salbutamol for doping. It would make no difference to the performance of a non asthmatic patient
😂😂😂
Ha, ok, if you say so.