Blizzard Are Clearly Going Harder Than We're Used To
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- čas přidán 7. 06. 2024
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We didn't need to be afraid. The worry that Mythic+ meant a future of only boring dungeons was unfounded, because Blizzard just dropped two of the most fantasy-filled, most thematic and most fun dungeons we've ever seen. - Hry
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No Offense, Bellular. But this et~eeernal sucking up to Blizzard no matter how much BS they pull every Expansion is SO. OLD. by now, Man. SO. OLD. ... ... ... ... i get some People are their absolute Slaves, but holy moley.
Friendly reminder as early as Legion we were brought to the attention that the Candle thing isn’t just a gag.
I think it was in High Mountain you would infiltrate a Kobold den and pretend to be their leader and the Candles like legitimately staved off the void in the cave.
yep. i remember it well.
Yeah it was on the hill northwest to the hub in highmountain. next to the harpy area if I am not mistaken
On the stream they mentioned the dungeon they did talk about that. But it is cool to see that taken to its next step
@@thedragonknight3600 Oh yeah it’s more of a response to Bellular kind of phrasing it like the development is new.
Glad they didn’t forget though
@@edwardweaver6869 oh I understand and appreciate it my man.
good, a dungeon should be made with fun in mind, not made with e-sports in mind.
the sweaty side of gaming has really destroyed what makes video games fun. its world of warcraft not an esport lol
They will never be fun for me as long as the M+ timer and key depletion stays.
@@ChinnuWoW go play ESO, you can left quick your way to glory
@@brandoncomer6492 Typical WoW Sweaty response. The content is actively hurting the playerbase and community, and because people want the game to be fun again, you tell people to leave; which further hurts the playerbase and community.
You people won't be happy until the game is just you, a target dummy and a parser.
@@frostmagemarii typical casual response. What are you comparing it to that's doing better? All those easy ass games are way below it on player count... what is your reference for pretending like your preferred content is actually going to make the game more popular? It's completely made up bs you've contrived in your head.
This almost sounds like having to play the battle, instead of "play the UI or the alert".
Blizzard truly innovating here. Bravo.
bellular learned new word "cooked" and now use it 300 times per video
I swear everytime I click on a video I hear him throw that out. Cornball.
Holy crap I KNOW right, it's getting a bit much
ah yeh, another youtuber started saying "Mid" a lot, like your in your 30's dude its cringey. giving uncool parent vibes.
I scrolled down just so I could comment on that.
i can tell none of you have friends, go ahead project your insecurity in youtube commets
The fact that Kobolds use candles to protect themselves was established in Legion already where a dark creature appeared with no candles present.
Wasn't it established in Vanilla?
Bellular before expansion: BLIZZARD IS COOKING
Bellular after expansion launch: okay so maybe they missed the mark
Are you kidding? That will be next week.
He would say, "Blizzard ARE cooking."
Does The Darkness believe in a thing called love?
I believe only you and me will get this reference.
oh shit! Took a sec, but i got there!
@@dancingdroid It was only 21 years ago, dude! Oh... man I'm old
@@DarenC 21 years ago is way too long for anyone under 35.
Just listen to the rhythm of its heart forehead
Most people aren't doing high keys anyway. Just like we shouldn't balance classes for the top 0.01%, dungeons should be designed for the 99.99%! This is GOOD design
Been saying that for years
When in a M+ run any cutscenes should involve a giant blinking FUCK YOU while making them sit through the role playing bit at half speed.
Yup catering to the minority like plunderstorm and multiple other examples. Backwards ass thinking
If that were true, people wouldn't be complaining about dungeons that add mechanics that is not pull and kill
@@jorgetinoco3574 Even low key runners and even queued normal/heroic runners prefer the go-go-go mentality.
Kobold Paladins in 2025 please. Make it happen Blizz.
"YOU NO TAKE CANDLE" *pops wings*
i love this
no
It would be cool to see their mount have a candle on the top of its head like a candlecorn instead of a unicorn.
@@VoldoronGaming love it, love everything about it.
Very exciting. I'm looking forward to these!
Excited for the new dungeons!
"It's TF2 pushing the payload." lol, don't let Blizz hear you say that or they might feel bad about their hero shooter.
They should feel bad about it though. lol
The appearance of the payload is more like the ones in TF2 (besides that one map) because there it's literally a bomb in a cart. Here we're pushing a different kind of cart.
that kobold dungeon actually looks really nice
Yeah it looks fun! That is what wow is suppose to be...fun. Not a chore like reputation grinding.
Here comes the fun draining crowd that whine about "but mah high lvl keys!"
I hope they stop caring about M+ in general.
It's not what the game should be.
Don't forget to mention the "Light Undead" in the Priory of the Sacred Flame. Interesting to see them pop up unexpectedly. Of course, I've only seen videos of the dungeon, and don't know if there might be something prior to that that explains it more.
The more you cover this new expac the more hyped I get.
Thanks for sharing. Dungeons look amazing so far :)
I'm keen to try these (wish I had alpha access lol), lately I have been thinking that they should have a separate version of dungeons for M+ where a lot of the mechanics and mob placement is changed for the competitive environment and the normal versions of them are a more narrative experience.
Can't wait.
finally fun dungeon mechanics! we need more of this!
The frequency with which you use the word cooking really grates.
Go outside if that bugs you
@OhNoTheFace why?
Don't like what I'm cooking?
Just let me cook man
I saw another comment about it so I was listening for it and it really didn't seem all that bad. It may have been a bigger problem in recent videos that I haven't watched, but I was listening for it and only heard it a couple times.
Maybe I'm desensitized, who knows.
Makes me wonder how many dungeons will work with the follower system that they introduced in DF considering that some of the mechanics showcased in this video or if its only going to be certain ones.
They said it will be available for all new dungeons going forward
The more they move away from mythic + style gameplay and focus on fun the better .
Fun is always better. M+ will be enjoyable no matter how the dungeon is designed.
I think the idea of the 2nd boss in dawnbreaker is so cool thanks blizz!!!
Is there any information about some stats squish in The War Within? Because numbers are starting to look ridiculous. The character in the vide has 7,7 mil HP at one point, and this is not even mythic+ gear lol
they said its going to be like legion numbers, midnight will have a stat squish probably.
They'll squish the stats after TWW. I believe it was said on Blizzcon last year
Ok, I now need the Kobolds to be playable, I noticed the Friendly one helping out in the dialogue implying they were basically were enslaved by the King and were free upon beating him.
To this day the reworked Deadmines (specifically Heroic) is one of my favorite Dungeons.
I loved that it really felt like I was playing a game.
A lot of the new Dungeons really seem to follow the same formula so I'm really excited for that :D
Hey, anybody know how you can get into M+ as a new player? Is there a discord? Should I join a guild? Do guilds take in new players?
Getting a group of 5+ to run with regularly is a surefire way, but solo you can really just start right into it. Get experience and rating and getting groups won't be an issue.
Kobolt mine: detect humanoid/beast/ other detect/support ability work in those? If yes, that revitalise those, would be good.
I was wondering about Hunter's Flare too.
I love the idea of interesting, new dungeon mechanics, butI feel like this is gonna be really rough in LFG when people don't know what they are doing... I hope they force everyone to learn the logic of candles with core quests or something.
Kobold= a small humanoid creature that relies on candles
Cobalt= an element, compounds frequently have a trademark blue color
Why can’t we just have cool dungeons screw m+
Dungeon finder on a lot of these is gonna be.. interesting lol
Haven't been more excited for a WoW Expansion since like Legion. Especially one that looks certain to deliver. I cannot wait for this.
Really bro give me that motivation please
This dungeon design is FANTASTIC, oh my god I can't wait to play these. I feel like i've never been excited about dungeons because it was just "soulless boss rush", nothing felt like an adventure. This is STARKLY different, im excited
Finally something creative, I love that kind of content.
The Darkness was one of the toughest bosses in Hearthstone's Kobold's and Catacombs Dungeon Run mode. Wonder how tough it will be in wow.
Its great to hear that the upcoming content seems fun and exciting.
But can we also talk about how many bugs have been coming with the recent patches that feel Big? The LFG needing Language filters, the Guild listings, Legendaries unable to upgrade, There are so many recent Big bugs that have come from these updates.
Not surprising, blizzard has committed to TWW and just gave us S4 as filler content
@@needysleddog8724You do realize that we are right on the verge of a whole new side mode in WoW Remix launching? Even the filler content is cooking far harder than ever before!
They gutted the team responsible for internal testing, so the players are having to test the game for them from now on.
@@Utred2012 yeah I’m not complaining btw, I am enjoying s4 too I was just stating that it’s not their priority right now
those bugs suck but most of them have been fixed now
I hope that Blizzard actually starts making all the new dungeons & content with "FUN" in mind. Thank you for another cool video. Def enjoyed the look and sound of that Kobold dungeon.
I think follower dungeons had something to do with this. Blizz said they couldnt make good campaign in dungeons with dungeon finder.
You no take candle!
"So, what's cooking?"
i am curious how these dungeons will be with followers
I wanna play Kobold Paladin now.
My candle will never be snuffed out !
I'm kind of hyped for retail but the last patch broke half the menus in the game and some people are getting randomly booted out of dungeons or no loot drops at all etc I just want a higher level of functionality if they're adding all this new shit
I'm a little sad that the Darkness isn't the same as what he looks like in Hearthstone but I really like the idea in the dungeon
Since i missed out on responding to your other paladin video, i just want to say its still ridiculous that Highmountain Tauren dont have Paladins, they have the same culture as Mulgore Tauren and believe in An'she.
Not really.
Not every race needs every class
@@JamailvanWestering Why tf not? Give players more freedom.
@@JamailvanWestering and that mentality has really worked out until now. I understand avoiding it for the sake of "it doesnt mesh" i.e. Forsaken/Void Elves being something that literally core to their detriment, atleast without lore explanation. There is no reason Highmountain Tauren shouldnt be able to be Paladins, or Sunwalkers.
That’s stupid because it destroys the integrity of the universe; the immersion of the fantasy.
@@a1pha_star keep races still special ?
I was against the Tauren gaining Paladins as well.
From a lore perspective it makes 0 sense, especially now from a cosmology sense.
The Sun isn’t based in the light.
But in nature.
Tauren never had any affinity with The Light, just with nature
The Dawnbreaker is god damn cool. Ive been spending all my time on alpha looking for bugs and focusing fire on combat testing and such. Definitely saving story and such for live release. Really excited for it all honestly.
To experience for the 1st time with a group of friends who want to also experience it , seems amazing ... For a pug group not so much , with followers it seems nigh impossible , and for people who want to crank out 8 heroics for the vault it's gonna be utter pain in the butt.
Hey back in Legion, anyone that paid attention in High Mountain KNEW the Kolbolds were holding it down for the world. Unthanked, unhonored. NO TAKE CANDAL DAMMIT!
So what your saying is at somepoint there will be a Kobold Paladin, Wielding a giant hardened wax hammer and candles on his pauldrens lol.
Sticky Ricky the scientist. Love these uploads
Could someone explain to me why in any situation dungeons should be "balanced" ?
That dungeon looks awesome!
After playing a lot of FF14 I really wish Blizzard would copy a lot of the Raid/Trial and Dungeon design. It's such so much more fun and easy to understand. No addons needed. And it seems they kinda get that now, love to see it.
The Darkness is already in hearthstone :)
The dungeon looks and feels very cool, mythic + just needs some stuff removed while they are in mythic state, so they won't complain.
The treadmill players will definitely whine for the uniqueness mechanics of these dungeons to be scaled back or removed. M+ either needs to go or the timer and key depletion need to go. Pick the poison so we can go back to fun things.
This is wonderful. I love it.
In before someone puts this to Simon and Garfunkel.
I just can’t get excited for any of this when there’s a timer involved.
HAHAHA M+
You NO take candle!!!!
Kobold stonks ↗
I play mainly PvP content but these look super fun
Yes exactly. The magic of vanilla, BC, and WOTLK. These pure cool ideas. Don't want the story going so crazy that it's hard to understand, like shadowlands.
The dungeons better be awesome. They cut seasonal affix and already recycling shadow lands dungeon's. Cut their work load with nothing in return.
this dungeon looks fucking awesome
I'd love to see some real challenge dungeons pop up now and then. The kind of dungeon that isn't required content. It's not "grindable." It's not on the LFG dungeon finder. It doesn't even have a 'Mythic' version because it's already at its max difficulty from the beginning. It's just a punishing puzzlebox of a dungeon that merely exists to taunt players into trying to defeat it. What do you get for beating it? Some raid-tier gear that everybody's going to be farming for weeks because they need the stats? That takes all the fun out of the challenge and turns it into a checkpoint bottleneck. Screw that, all you get for defeating this dungeon is bragging rights.
I think it would be a great distraction and an obsession that would help shake people out of their endgame treadmill grinds. There's no need to defeat it. It's just for _fun._
It will never fail to amaze me just how much alot of WoW players love to complain about everything; even the most insignificant things; if it doesn't min max "muh keystone". "Fuck the fun, if I can't do a billion damage with one skill then this xpac is dogshit REEEEEEEE"
Exactly. When TWW m+ dungeons got announced a lot of ppl were whining because of Tirna Sithe's labyrinth
@@Javier-il1xi i forgot who said it, but it was a developer of some famous game, and he said something like "You can't underestimate the ability the players have to optimize the fun out of the game" when speaking about designing stuff. And yeah, while alot of the fun comes from content being well made, we cant ignore how sometimes the playerbase are the ones actively draining the fun of the game because of the constant "meta" mentality on everything
@@brunohommerding3416 IKR? People need to drop the meta nonsense and just play the game and have fun. I mean mix max meta is for world firsts crap and most players don't care about that shit.
both dungeons seem cool, but both dungeons seem incredibly unfun in M+. too many mechanics in packs, and finnicky mechanics for certain things (like the darkness boss) could completely ruin repetition for these dungeons when they're harder. I'm not even concerned from a super high key pusher standpoint... I'm just not looking forward to doing these AT ALL in M+ unless they tone them down.
I think they just need fewer pack-to-pack mechanics in general with a lot of these encounters and I think the darkness boss fight seems shitty though maybe it'll just get figured out and end up being easy (but at a glance it seems very bad)
Exactly this. I saw the dungeons and it was enough for me to think I'll give TWW a miss. Bellular looks at the same content and gives out an excited: "SQUEEE!" From the perspective of you'll be doing this week in, week out, these look like ones to swerve hard. From the perspective of you do this dungeon once while levelling, they look great. Gimmicks belong in one-off content, not repeatable content.
And nothing of value was lost. Leave them behind if 97% of the fanbase likes them
we all know alpha is where fun goes to die. all the keyheads will whine endlessly until all the fun is min/maxed out cuz "muh keystones".
at the end of the expac 99% of the time spent in those dungeons will have been spent by those keyheads. so yeah, maybe they should be designed around them?
@@shinarts4902you clearly underestimate the amount of super casuals subscribed to WoW.
@@shinarts4902 designing around them ruins the game for 99% of players
@@shinarts4902 are u ok in the head?
@@Sabolch919 Why so hostile? It wasn't even an offensive thing they said
Here's a fun little thing: They don't have to build all dungeons for M+. They can easily build a few story dungeons as well that never enter the M+ rotation.
True. Those could, however, have a M0 that's hard and has no timer. Like what it felt to do a Cata heroic
PLEASE let the void crystal event in Hollowfall be a PvP event if you have warmode enabled, please Blizzard give us something interesting
I'm glad to see some cool dungeons, because most of WoW's dungeons have the problem where they don't actually feel like dungeons. Proper dungeons should feel maze-like, thematic, realistic and lived-in, with puzzles, traps, secrets, and they should be long enough to feel like a real adventure. Generally, the WoW dungeons that come the closest are WoW Classic ones, and that's because those weren't designed with the intention of being repeated. They were long and easy to get lost in. But they were still missing puzzles, riddles, traps, and secrets. Blizzard has made some cool dungeons since then, but since dungeons have been designed as repeatable content since TBC they haven't been willing to make them long and maze-like.
I really wish they'd introduce a new dungeon mode that wasn't about speed or weekly repetitions. A mode about actual dungeon delving, closer to the D&D sense where you'd spend multiple sessions dungeon crawling a single dungeon. They could design dungeons just for this mode, and there could be one dungeon active a week on a rotation of like 8 dungeons (so you only repeat them once every two months). Or even one dungeon every two weeks. And these dungeons would be long, taking multiple hours, and have tons of bosses, and puzzles and riddles that are actually difficult. And the bosses get harder as you go down, so that your loot in the weekly vault is not about how many dungeons you've completed but how deep into the dungeon of the week you got. And you could spend 3-4 hours completing the dungeon in one go if you wanted, or you could go in in shorter intervals a few times to get further and further each time you go. And they should really make use of the island expedition AI and more realistic NPC behaviors they used in Boralus to make the inhabitants of these dungeons actually seem like they're doing something aside from just waiting for the players to show up.
What youre describing isnt too different than mega dungeons
@@DeadAugur megadungeons do come kind of close, but there's only one of them per expansion. And they're basically just the same WoW dungeon format but longer. They're still designed with repetition in mind (and I get why, I'm just saying it limits their design-space and makes dungeons kind of same-y). They definitely don't feel like realistic places where NPCs actually inhabit. They do have each have like one puzzle though, so that's something.
have u see that all wow is bugged for alts now and some quest and portals cant be used and .... dragonflight icon is not on your map its shadowlands and blizzard still not fixed
Hello belluar comments, I know you guys can help me. I have a question, I’m assuming the answer is no but I’m going to ask anyway. If I cleared heroic amdirrsal, can I still go back on heroic and still get crest and flightstones, I’m assuming not becuase of loot lock out.
The candle dungeon seems really cool, but if you spam mythic + this is going to get old quickly especially if you are pushing trying to time higher keys
They should just adjust stuff when it goes mythic, no need to nerf base dungeon because mythic + exists, it would be a loss for the experience.
Bellular lookin fresh
Bellular really is so happy milking out all this new content lmao, the excitement cannot be contained.
Sad thing is, people are going to use addons despite Blizzard making the game read-able. I hope they keep this up and ban addons like DBM and any weakaura that has boss timers in it. Just don't need them and makes the devs have to make things harder to keep up the arms race.... Legon all over again
I much prefer dungeons as a fun, one-time story experience than a min-maxed efficiency repetitive grindfest.
So they put the Delving mine in Path of Exile into WoW and stuffed it with Kobolds instead of Stygian horrors and Vaal ruins. XD
Imagine trying this hard to be so daft lol
I like these dungeons.. liking blizzard using the environment more
Well you saw what they did to Bethesdas studios.
Wow is great when you purposefully not consume any promotional stuff they make on social medias such as Twitter/instagram.
I don't know if this is just me but it sounds like there is way too much bass on the mic you're using in this video to the point it's a bit uncomfortable. The sponsor segment was fine but the rest of the video was not. Apart from this great video.
dude to hell with all these spoilers im grinding work until the expansion comes out buying a hot fresh new potato quitting my job stocking up on hungry mans and putting on a onesie yo its gametime
But is Harrison Jones in the mine dungeon?
I’ve been subscribed for a while and watch every vid. Just wanted to say I enjoy the content even the ones on more regional businesses since I find it interesting to hear about places I’ve never heard of that are popular somewhere else (like bojangles most recently)
Greg Doucette here! Is WoW going harder than last time? 😂
OHGODNO not ANOTHER vault of the wardens
It's fun when you have competent friends, but Jesus is it painful when you're playing with bots.
ITS PROBABLY EASIER TO PLAY WITH ACTUAL BOTS -- shame follower dungeons can't be done at mythic level....
I really hope that they just don't give a shit about M+ in the future
M+ is not what the game should be...
I'm so excited for War Within, rly appreciate all the sneak peaks from you guys, gets me super hyped
i would consider them going "harder" if they change the way we need to grind the same dungeons over and over again and with a changing dungeon content like different mobs or multiple paths inside the same dungeon on different difficulties.
or the removal of the need for addons....
A lot of m+ dungeons have multiple routes, players will just always choose the most efficient. Also affixes change every week
Sounds like these might be super annoying in pugs
What's with all the advertisements ?
What worries me personally is being forced to dragonride
That basic thing in the game?
Wow
You're comparing these dungeons kinda to ones people normally hate lol these looks cool tho i like more outdoor style dungeons like Free hold and ZF
Hey broski, you cut an important part at 13:05. "it seems like Blizzard has heard that because..." "... And honestly I'm glad to hear that"
Sure it was a simple mistake but letting ya know
Stop nitpicking
@@ChinnuWoW Jesus you must be a nightmare to talk to irl lol I was letting Bellular know because I'm sure he didn't mean to cut it out
@@Dofladingus Telling you to stop nitpicking makes me a nightmare to talk to??? Wow, you're soft lol
Let's face it. Dungeon design, world design and all about that has been what Blizzard was known for since the inception of WoW.
It's the GAMEPLAY LOOP that has been tragic. The gameplay loop is what just doesn't work for WoWs core gamers anymore. Blizzard missed the part where most of us WoW veterans turned adult beings. And they made it so that one has to basically be super reliant on ingame economics. Personally, without a full economy reset, WoW is dead to me.
That candle dungeon sounds like a nightmare for high keys.
Good, fuck mythic keys
Who gives a fuck😊
Oh good, nothing to care about then
@@OhNoTheFace maybe not for you. But for ppl that actually play the game yeah