Lip Filler Migration: Causes & Prevention
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- čas přidán 29. 08. 2024
- My theory on what causes lip filler migration and how to prevent it from happening.
The example of beautiful lips done at 03:05 were performed by Lip Religion's Linda Dehnert-Rowe. She's a lip genius! And also very kind. Check her IG out @lipreligion.
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What's wrong with people?? Why would anyone down vote this? This guy does nothing but give us vital information for us injectors that's hard to find...smh...Dan keep your content coming and never stop please! 👍🏽
Thanks! I appreciate all the support
I agree this was really helpful
Probably who downgrade Dane is bunch of competitors of plastic surgeons ... Dane you are amazing thank you for these amazing vidoes
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This guy’s voice is so soothing. I mean yeah informative and all that too but you can’t deny it
Totally agree Dr.Hanna
As a new injector I really appreciate this advice. Your voice is also very calming and I love watching your videos!
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That’s how the bills get paid. She wants you to come back. She fully understood what you said and did the complete opposite. I’ve never go back to her.
I think dissolving is something that isn't talked about at all in practices. I had a patient that literally looked horrible and just kept wanting more. The doctor never suggested starting fresh its really annoying
I can only imagine that he is afraid the patient will feel all her money buying that filler was wasted.
How does dissolving in the lips reach the areas where the filler migrated to?
Yes! This happend to me. I went to very good Clinics and none of the Doctors told me about lip filler migration! I 've had it for years!!!! They put more and more filler in! I thought they will fix the duck lip but it got worse and worse. 10 years after looking like an idiot my PMU lady who did my brows told me it can be dissolved!!!!!!
@@sydneysnyder11 they inject it above the lips where migration is
@@onataka2506 thank you!!
I was about have lip filler this week but now I change my mind
Thank u
This is really interesting to listen to. I’ve only had lip fillers twice and each injector used completely different techniques. The first person injected from the side of the lip corner and pushed needle into the backside of the lip and filled while he pulled needle out. No pain for me. Alot of lip volume resulted from that method. It pushed my lip forward but didn’t change the shape much. Second injector did many small pokes and injections all around the outside of my lips. ALOT of pain. Alot of bruising. Volume after for a month or two but it didn’t last long for me.
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Thank you for educating me. I’m considering having a filler since my once very full lips have shrunken due to age. I’m really nervous about any procedure and have never consider elective procedures but lip fillers have been in my mind lately. As a RN I know I have to educate myself and this video was a good start!
I got my lips done a year ago and loved them, and i went back this year but i felt like the filler is starting to form a shodow on my upper lip this time.. and i guess now i know why. Thanks alot for the helpful video i will make sure to dissolve next time before re-injecting
Why is his voice so soothing
Hey, after watching this video i made an appointment to have my lipfillers desolved.
Ive been having lipfillers from different places over the last 6 years and had them desolved today.
First i would like to say that no docter ever told me about this whole thing. I realy think they Should!!
My experience:
I did hurt to get my lips desolved but the pain is gone directly after the treatment is done.
My lips are already much smaller than before but are very bruised.
Im realy happy theres no migration anymore
How did it go, did you get new fillers? And are you happier with the new results?
From personal experience, I think your 100% correct.
Thank you! I thought that the fillers absorbed after like a year the most, I didn’t know that it needed to be disolved
But everytime you dissolve the lip filler you also breakdown the HA naturally found in the lip. So you not only break down the filler but your own storage of moisture and plumpness so the lips will appear even more deflated and overtime sag and age quicker which increase the need for even more filler. So it doesn't sound like a longterm strategy if girls in their 20 - 30s should dissolve their lipfiller that frequently.
Incorrect. Studies have already shown that in some cases, dissolver can indeed breakdown our own natural HA however it does regenerate within 48 hours.
@@Dylan-ni9my « studies show » how about you link said studies, if you want to convince people
@@ubs16 I don't need to convince people. Studies already show it. Sit down and educate yourself, a quick search on google scholar shows such studies in a matter of seconds. Maybe look into Dr. Gabriela Casabona's studies showing the use of Hyaluronidase on HA and how HA regenerates itself.
@@ubs16I'd love to see your links as well as hers. That would be more helpful.
Literally your work is the most natural and beautiful I’ve seen. I’d never get any fillers myself having seen the 9/10 awful results here in the UK but if I was in Canada I’d consider it ! 🤣
I THINK YOU EXPLAINED YOUR POINTS EXTREMELY WELL. THANK YOU
I love all your videos they are so informative! 😭 since I’m typically seeing a lot of people my age (20-30s) interested in cosmetic procedures such as fillers and Botox, would you make a video describing what can the younger generation do to prevent wrinkles, volume and collage loss as we get older? I think it would be beneficiary to save time and money as we hit the ages of 40s and 50s
Sunscreen. Sunscreen. And don't smoke.
Sunscreen at least twice daily. Rx Tretinoic acid 0.025%-0.05% at night. Vit C topical morning. Exercise daily, don’t smoke, limit alcohol. Oral Collagen if you’re not getting enough protein in your diet (50-60 g/day). You will still need medical aesthetic treatments, but this slow it down.
@@danestheticsmedical thank you so much 🥺❤️
Have melanin 😂
@@cakepudding3220 bruh😭💀
This was a great video! I learned so much and love the way you explain things!
Thanks!
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Incredible truth! I have not heard or seen another recommend dissolving filler after x amount of treatments. Brilliant! This makes sense on many levels. More Dr's need to educate their clients as you evidently do.
Look forward to learning more from your videos. Keep them coming!
🙏🏼 thanks!
Agree! Such a great tip!
There’s an educating comment which informs us as to how n why dissolving filler fat can also weaken general skin around n be detrimental, it would be kind of the doctor to clarify this
He is a nurse.
My lip filler had migrated and I always wondered what some of the reasons could be. Thank you for the informative video I now know I need to have it dissolved. But now I’m worried when you said it’s pretty much permanently made a pocket there now😰
how's it going
Ally Mcbeal I’ve since had my filler dissolved and let me tell you it hurts! Waiting till I am cleared to get filler again. You typically have to wait 3 weeks post dissolve to get filler injected again.
@@qweeenb yikes, thanks for the update
@@qweeenb hey how did it go, did you get them done once again? Did the fillers dissolve completely after 3 weeks and are you happier with your new results?
@@pal020701 I had a fair amount of filler in my lips so it took me 3 rounds of dissolving till it was finally all out. But I have since then gotten them refilled again and they look amazing! My injector just different techniques on my lips since filler had already migrated on me before
Getting my first pout tomorrow. You’ve EARNED a new subscriber.
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Did it work out for you ?
How did it goo?
So thankful! I am 58 and never had and lip fillers. However, now I have some knowledge.
The simplest explanation! Short and so correctly said. Thank you so much 🙏 I really needed a person like you to follow!
Thanks Dan! I’d love to see your technique/procedure for dissolving lip filler 🙌🏻
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I really appreciated this video and information- I’m going to get my top lip filled Friday... I went last year for filler and asked for filler in mostly the top lip-but the injector put most in my bottom lip-which is already fuller- I left feeling really frustrated.. she said I could come back and buy another syringe for the top lip-I thought, forget it. We are wearing masks most of the time anyway.
F❤️cking masks
I dont know if you can do that, but I'd love to hear your opinion on different brands for each area, especially because there is so little data on brands, and comparing G prime, durability, etc. I'm a young physician who is specialising in aesthetics - I've gotta long way to go! Love your videos, thanks! Best,
Gabriel Challub, MD
I have M shaped lips. My first apt I was surprised that they injected (half syringe) directly on my upper lip line as this area of my lip already protrudes the most naturally. This made my lip line stick out like crazy on top and then the filler migrated north within a day. I had it dissolved and now I will never let an injector put product here, it doesn’t work on my m lip shape at all. I have to have it put on either side of my “beak” to even it out and then the lowest part of my lip only (meaty inner part) I strongly oppose having filler put anywhere near the white roll or even the edges of the vermillion border. It is not flattering for all lip shapes especially mine. I wish injectors wouldn’t assume a one size fits all approach to lip injections.
OMG I'm so glad I found your video I was totally clueless of all the risks, the best ways to inject and the type of products, arghhhh! !!! You're a super nice caring person !!!!
I really like this train of thought and the way it’s explained. I also agree with the comments around type and brand of filler. There are many out there and we all have our experiences with different brands and that’s great but it does depend a lot on the HA characteristics rather than just the brand.👍🏽
Informative videos. Thank you for making this channel. 👍
Thank you for the information. It’s important to have the possible causes and problems from doing this procedure wrongly. Very helpful
This is so informative. Haven't seen a better video on this topic. Thank you as always, really appreciate it. I'm based in Europe, hope some day to visit you 🤩, had very bad and prolonged migration after lip injections with plastic surgeons here so I dont trust easily anymore. Please, could you consider doing a video on how to smooth out lines on the chest? Are there any danger zones ? Techniques? Thanks for everything ...
Thank you so much for breaking all this down !!! I feel like I can responsibly pursue fillers with a little more understanding. 👍👍
Got 0.5 ml in my lips and it still migraines. I believe it always migrates.
Same with me😢
Glad I watched this, I noticed migration in my lips only had them done twice and agree with you, better to get them dissolved. Will be more aware of this in practise also.
I’ve got perfectha and it’s still in my lips after 2 years without a refill 🥲 it’s such a thick filler and the doctor told me that there’s a change that it will never go away 😫
What type was it?
What type dis you get?
@@haileywingo1299 it's in the comment...
@@thequeenbee6198 it's written in the comment...
Love the insight, knowledge, and your thoughts! Thank you for sharing! I believe this should be a topic of discussion for individuals upon consultation so they know what they should be looking out for and they are better prepared for what to expect should they wish to have filler routinely. Thank you for creating this informative video! ☺️
You said we should stick to thin products with low viscosity instead of thick ones? Which specific fillers do you recommend then? How do I know the difference between Juvederm, Restylane etc. ?
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I also believe it’s largely due to incorrect choice of product. In UK many people are using Revolax Deep for lips. Now any filler with the name ‘Deep’ surely should be implanted deeply, such as the periosteum or to bone..not in the lips!!!
I always inject into the vermillion border to define it, and none of my patients have ever experienced migration.
Following because of how great this way. Thanks for being so honest and breaking it down the way you did. I’ve been wanting fillers for 2 years now but I hate that duck face look!
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Go for resralyne kysse
You really are the best! I always look forward to watching your vids because I just learn so much from you. Please continue to do this 🙏🏻
Just wondering if its still necessary to dissolve fillers periodically to prevent migration and the formation of a "pocket" even if you're not getting them done regularly? Maybe once every 12-18 months?
I was wondering the same !
Generally No. But I can’t make that claim for 100% of the population. Great question
Dan Julien NP
I'm also wondering if it's necessary to dissolve and redo if i never intend to get them done again or regularly? like I'm satisfied with the smallest amount of fullness. will it still migrate and I'd need to redo the entire process?
This was going to be my question too, I hope somebody responds
@@danestheticsmedical What if we getting one syringe every six months or we wait for a year??
Yes to all of this and also don't forget that a sucking action. (e.g. straw) can displace filler.
Thank you so much doctor you re helping people all over the world, love and respect from Morocco ❤🙏
Honestly, an amazing, simple yet very clear explanation that teaches patients and physicians alike ! thank you very much doctor! you have a new subscriber from Tunisia !
I got 3 treatments in less than a year and here’s why:
1st one my doctor called it the base which disappeared completely after 3 months, he injected 1ml.
2nd treatment was about building up, he injected again 1 ml, this time was a visible difference but still didn’t got those voluminous lips. After 6 months my lips were looking almost like in the beginning.
3rd treatment was about “maintaining” the lips shape, did it at a distance of 6 months and got 0.8ml as he didn’t agree in injecting more.
My question is how do you build a more voluminous lips without getting the filler migrated? I mean I already had 3 treatments, yes there is a difference but I’m afraid that if I ll keep going like this, my lips will be ruined soon.
I'm not a surgeon but I got a 1 ml base filler mostly concentrated in my upper lip. Then only 3 weeks after it was all healed I got another 1 ml. I was then advised to set up another appointment 6-8 months later. Not all of my filler was dissolved and I got 1ml. I now get touch ups of ONLY .5 ml every 8 months, usually, my upper lip begins to lose its height and fullness with an occasional refilling of the lower lip. I have an natural upper lip that completely disappears when I smile but since getting fillers done this way they look full. I would suggest a different doctor honestly if you're not getting the results you want regardless.
Thank you, Dan, for all the educational videos you did! I'm a huge fan! Thank you and best wishes!
I love every video you post! The way you explain, clear, precise and easy to understand. Thanks for sharing your knowledge and techniques. Do you have any video BOTOX lip flip? Thanks!
Had my first Juvederm lip filler 0,5 because my lover lip is significantly larger than my upper lip, and just wanted a natural harmonization. And OMG, my face looks so much more simetric and fits my natural features so perfectly, and no one (not even my mom) noticed that I've had filler it looks so natural! I had my first 0,5 mml in January on my BD, and it's April, and it almost devolved, so I'm planning to go just for a small touch-up again, as they say, the first 0,5 mml tend to devolve a bit faster than the 2nd or 3rd.. besides what my doctor said, I hope it's not too early, to touch up with another 0,5 mml in just 4 months. I mean, my first one has already gone almost completely (but I don't want to put 1ml, as I know it wouldn't fit for my face. I like my face and body, and I would never want to do anything that is changing the original look extremely! Gosh.. today is the appointment for my touch-up filler 0,5 ml... I hope it's all gonna be alright.. I mean, in Hungary, the beauty industry and aesthetic procedures are super nice and natural in general. I don't really see any young girls running around with huge duck lips like in the US and UK. Actually, the plastic surgents do not support the overdo method at all, most places they tell you, you're too young to get botox or eyelid lifting and they will not do procedures on you if they see it would ruin your original beauty, not even for money.. I really appreciate the honesty and responsibility that doctors have in Hungary. Although i have lived in Paris for over a decade now, and im part of Hungarian and part Russian, but would never do cosmetic surgery or treatment anything elsewhere than Hungary. They're just the most honest doctors here and always compliment on the natural beauty. 90% of the time, you won't notice someone had done some cosmetic surgery or treatment because even if they did its super delicate and natural looking! And actually the most successful doctors in hungary in this industry are the pnes who are famous of their delicate, unnoticeable work. I'm glad they still have such standards in Hungary in this industry.. I hope it will stay that way!
I had 1ml lip filler - Juvederm Ultra - only once 8 years ago and it migrated this year above the lip border. Never getting filler again.
could you talk about the botox lip flip?
do actually i dont think ur full of it.VERY TRUE GREAT INFO.THANKS!!
That is what I did 1 syringe I didn’t even think I would need a whole one, but I did and they’re telling me I’ll probably be back in three months and there right ❤🎉
Always so informative! Thank you for sharing your knowledge with us! 👍
Thank you for sharing different experiences,most people say they are good but why they are good,no idea
People use to make fun of my big lip. I feel so insecure of my big lip. And now I am glad that I have thick lip :)
As an African American woman (speaking on behalf of many other BWomen) I can recall a time when the beauty standards trends and media would make fun and crack jokes about having full lips. Mic Jagger was so odd that he decided to make lots of money off his "deformity" There were common not-so-funny Sunday comics and/or comedians joking about _natural big lips_ of Black/African or other indigenous folks (in real life) on tv like national geographics. Fast Forward, and geez how times have changed. Access to big lips is an epidemic. Old/Young... Fill em up, doc! 👄💉💋
Very informative i love your videos , your voice is very soothing and calm...🤗
Thank you for the information👏 and l wish you would make avedio for the denger zones of bitox anf filler injection
Great explanation...Blessings from Australia 🇦🇺
Hey there - there is a video on just this topic which is produced by Dr Chan at the Victorian Cosmetic Institute in Australia, along with a colleague who has a cosmetic practice as well as being a radiologist. What they have found by using MRI imaging is very pertinent to your theories about filler migration.
Great video doctor!!! so helpful and super detail oriented
This was very informative. Thanks for the effort you put forth
I just love you! Thank you for all those wonderful informations ! Please dont stop👍😊
Thanks!
Can you do a video where you explain why patients get lumps and how to avoid it?
I wish I could visit your office in Ottawa! You are so knowledgeable ! I live in the US. Maybe someday...😁
If you want sharp definition of the vermillion border, coiled threads are always an option too.
I wish I knew about the frequency of getting filler I got my first half syringe in September 2020 then a syringe in March 2021 and then another syringe in august 2021. I feel like my filler is spreading to the outside corners of my mouth I hate having to think about getting them completely dissolved and then completely starting over when I finally got the size I wanted
Excellent video. Helps me a lot. I find this info all to be valid and important to know about. Thank you.
Nice video.. thanks
Could you show us how to dissolve the duck lips.
Do u inject in the vermilion?
I’ll keep that video in mind. I don’t inject the vermillion border with hyaluronidase.
Dan, you are such a gem!!! 💎
Thank you, I find your videos very good and I have learned from them. Thank you and I will subscribe.
I’ve seen a lot of injectors using a technique called, “Russian Lips.” The lips are always extremely sharp and defined, is this achieved by adding filled to the vermillion border (the part where you spread the lips and see the white area?) And I may have missed it in the video but are there higher risks of migration associated with this Russian Lips technique? Thank you so much!!!!
Sincerely,
A Future Injector :)
I’ve been trying to find research on this but can’t find it anywhere, would love to know the answer!!
I too would love an answer for this, and what people could do instead if they want similar results. I have heard mixed things, but it seems many injectors do claim that injecting into the border increases risk for migration because the lips are stretched beyond their potential. However, I feel like the other techniques that "anti-russianlips" doctors/injectors promote give results that are WAY too minimal (what they call natural), it looks like they've put rose tinted lip gloss on. I don't agree with pushing the idea that conservative lip fillers are the only way to go. Some people want a dramatic difference, just like how people with big noses go in for a rhinoplasty and come out with a small one, or flat-chested girls get a boob job and come out with D cups.
hi! from what i've seen from top injectors online, RLT is awful and promotes more migration in the long-run. my injector (based in texas and has national recognition) HATES rlt for that reason. :)
Hi Jenn, Great question.
Personally, I like some of the Russian Lip techniques. Some techniques are done with a lot of filler in the V border, and others not so much. I feel that placing too much filler in the V border does increase your chance of superficial migration though.
All the best,
Dan Julien NP
I recently got it done so we will find out 😹
6:03 answered good advice. lotta of videos didn’t mention!!
Thank you so much for this video I tried doing the Russian lips and I’ve noticed that ever since my lips look ducky
Absolutely insightful information!
Thank you Sir!very informative!!
Believe me you are one of the best. keep doing it.
Thank you !very informative and interesting
Thank you so much for your videos they are awsome I ve learnt a lot thanks
Which is the filler that has the bad "rap" for being too hydrophilic/inflammatory?
Juvederm
I totally agree, I prefer Restylane Kysse, and Belotero for the mature older client@@danestheticsmedical
I just did my first training through the AAFE. Very excited to get in to this, but there is so much more to learn! Any recommendations you have to get the best possible lip training? Thank you!
hi Joy! Posso falar com você, sobre o treinamento?
Brilliant video! Suscribed right after!!! Thank you 🤩
I’m freaking depressed. I just got my 4th lip filler injection this year. She told me I’ve got lots of upwards migration and even a bit on the bottom. She also said if anyone injects me after this then they’re just taking my money. She told me I need to have it all dissolved and redone next time.
No one ever told me that I would ever have to have it dissolved. She said I was getting to fluffy. Im depressed. Im glad she was honest. But damn what a waste of money and now I have fluffy stupid duck lips. 😭
Excellent & informative video!!! Thank you!!
Do you think that working out 5x a week of cardio and strength training makes the fillers whether cheeks or lips easily dissolve?
Here for the reply.
I workout a LOT, hot yoga, hiking, spin, Barr, and I weight train 4x a week, I had my lips filled with 1cc HA, 3 different times at about a year apart. Then I waited a year and a half for it to dissolve. I had to go in 3 different appointments last fall to dissolve the migrated filler in my upper lip. I still have filler left but my lips finally look natural. Over those 3 years my lips kept getting more "ducky" and my injectors just kept trying to balance them with more filler. If you have filler that doesn't look how you want it to, go ahead and get it dissolved, you'll be glad. Overall 5 years of lifting with bulking, cutting, and body recomping changed my waist and booty but definitely didn't change my filler situation.
Yes. They say if your doing high cardio itll dissolve faster. Its a metabolism thing i think.
Hi Dan long time no see thanks for the video we missed you ❤
Hi there, do you ever think someone can never need to get their lips dissolved? For example, someone starts with naturally fuller lips and over the span of 5-7 years had filler injected 4x...or does filler eventually move?
It eventually moves 100% of the time.
Dr. Victor Frankenstein, why didn't you stop after one failed project. Millions walking the street now, scary stuff.
So informative! Thank you so much
never had it dissolved after several filling appointments and lips still look good
Good advice , Nice Vibes ;Dan friend thank you, From Dr Mohammad Samara, San Diego California
Great information, thank you very much! I really appreciate now more and more doctors getting into the details of fillers. Not every patient (or maybe future patient 😉) takes it lightly injecting synthetic substances into their body. I want aaaaall the knowledge and I really don't want to read the scientific literature (not that there was a lot of it on long term consequences of hyaluronic acid fillers), certainly not more than an abstract. So, thank you again for putting up valuable information in a digestible format
Wow thank you. You just had a new suscriber. Blessings from Nederlands😍
Hi neighbour 🤓
can this happen with filler in the nose.? I feel like the filler migrated to the lower part of my nose...it just seems bigger than usual
Same here. I’ve just had my nose filler dissolved on my bridge. It has dissolved considerably. And question If my nose looks flatter than before.
biggest mistake i ever made was getting nose filler !
I have been to a few people and seem to consistently suffer with migration. Even when I get .5 between both top and bottom, book within 24 hours it looks migrated.
I have plumped and dissolved, plumped and dissolved. It seems like it’s impossible for me to have non migrated lip filler. Can some people just not be candidates?
I just want my lips to look a little bigger and it seems like that will never be a possibility for me 😩
Omg reading this makes me so sad because I have migrated filler aswell but can’t get it dissolved since I’m allergic to the dissolver
But apparently depending on the patient if it migrated once it can migrate again or
Maybe the distance between your lips and nose is to long ?
I had my lips done for the very first time, i had 1ml put in divided between my top and bottom lip, I specifically told the injector I wanted height at the outer edges of my vermillion and didn't want to have that weird ledge look where the filler is outside the vermillion border... I have medium sized lips already and my bottom and top are a good ratio. I've seen this injectors work on multiple other women and it looked good, but she botched mine and I'm not sure why?! Is bad injection technique also a culprit?
Can’t always blame the injector. Anatomy does play a role.
I got Juvederm today 😊$600 idk how I feel yet 😅I’m praying he did it correctly
This is why I would never put in more than half a syringe in my lips each treatment. I’ve had two so far
This is great information and i completely agree. I have a ton of migration at this point and I don't know how to fix it. How do i get the filler dissolved that has migrated (technique on targeting specific areas)?
My doctor used filler to outline my lips when I went to fill my laugh lines..I'm not exactly sure where he injected..felt like the border but my lips are naturally full and they are the same size but the outline is more crisp especially my bottom lip which I love because before they lacked definition. He used very little filler and told me I should be good for 12 months if not longer to keep the result of the lips natural..even for the smile lines he told me to hold off until 12 months. For reference I'm 40.