Byron Tau - Tech & Government Surveillance in “Means of Control” | The Daily Show
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- “You can do small things to reclaim privacy and make sure that, you know, parties that don’t need your data don’t get it.” NOTUS investigative reporter Byron Tau talks to Jordan Klepper about his new book, “Means of Control,” which explores the culture of surveillance created through a mass market of user data to track and target people for advertising and, in some cases, more nefarious purposes. Tau also offers basic steps anyone can take to reclaim some privacy and protect their information. #DailyShow #JordanKlepper #ByronTau
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Once again, The Daily Show is more informative than anyone considering themselves "the real news".
"Once again, The Daily Show is more informative than anyone considering themselves 'the real news'."
Yep.
So sad.
So scary.
And America, you are so 'coitused'.
Eh
Always remember: if it's free, _you_ are the product.
Criminal
@@JB-mm5ff dude, they're talking about free APPS
@JB-mm5ff in most of those cases you've agreed to a contact with terms that you've given permissions to track things about you. Mostly for experience or meeting service expectations, but to get the service you arye to the terms.
@@EHLOVaderWhat's the alternative though? Not have a mobile phone? Not using these apps? It's pretty hard functioning in today's society without having a smart phone. Basically they leave you no choice but to agree to these terms.
@@randell9667get a de-googled android phone (like one that functions with one of the rom's) with add free apps.
Please! Please keep Jordan! He is the best!
They absolutely do sell it too insurance companies via 3rd parties. I worked for a software company that saw it as a feature. It’s scary how much is public record or easily buyable.
LexusNexus. I just shopped around insurance and found they were basing my rate on my LexusNexus report which is kind of like a credit report for background information. There is a false claim on there that I now have to fight because it is costing me on insurance. They obfuscate this process as much as possible.
Biggest thing I miss about my BlackBerry... I could go into each app and turn off mandatory permissions.
Use Samsung
@@FetsumBerhaneDire don't be ridiculous, they do the same thing! They mirror core Android apps down to the point of copying the icon nearly exactly and pull all the same tracking metadata, and to put a cherry on top you can't delete the Samsung apps without significant effort that most lay people wouldn't be willing to go through. The most egregious part is that if you disable the Samsung apps, Samsung automatically reactivates them and approves all permissions on their own apps after every software update. I hate Google too, but at least their treachery is somewhat obvious and easier to circumvent.
@@AirmanJack what about apple?
If I went to work tomorrow morning and told people that my car's tires are tracking me, they would call mental health services.
til the squad showed up and were like yea we been watching you for quite some time now mister anderson.
Mention the book to them.
Big brother is always watching.
Not the tires, the computer connected to the tires.
Indeed many many cars are tracking you and selling the data through brokers to insurance companies.
@@JohnDoe-jh5yr To be technical, not the tires, but the computers the government set at tire-level at every toll and bridge, etc.
Jordan is a great interviewer, very informative segment, thank you
yeah that's how i feel. like dang this guy should do real journalism instead
He would be a great permanent host when the time comes.
This is all very frustrating and horrific!!
I know right? Why not riot over this?
Jordan hit the nail on the head:
"Can we avoid this? Is this the world we live in now?"
Byron gives a few examples of things you could do to make yourself feel more anonymous, but he knows the answer to Jordan's question is "no, it's far too late and there's really no turning back."
Time for Congress to actually address this issue that imperils our 4th amendment rights with well-written legislation - but maybe the train has already left the station . . l
I like the Variety of the TDS Hosts. Its refreshing having every Week the hosts in alternation! KEEP IT THAT WAY!
Thank you for this story, Daily Show. Have shared it with my students in my U.S. Government class today. The potential for misuse is much like how China tracks its citizen's "social credit"
Even disabling your wifi. Most phones will ping off any wifi you drive past.
I'm an older person back in college and I keep trying to explain this stuff to these kids I go to school with and how it is dangerous. I keep telling them to read 1984, but young people don't read and they just refuse to get it. People insist on holding onto their Pollyanna mindset and refuse to see the danger in it. Most people aren't going to read the book because most people don't read. I have been thinking for some time that someone needs to gather up all these REAL intrusions into our lives/freedoms and put them into an updated 1984ish movie. The only problem I see is that if they really explain how major corporations are turning us into a fascist society the movie will never get made or if it does get made won't get shown. Movies are a business and they depend on those corporations for advertising revenue; we need to find a way around that.
Always amazed at people that just click 'accept' on any cookie policy. If you see two choices, accept or leave... leave!
Patiently waiting for John Oliver to release the data he got from Washington DC when he did a piece on Data Brokers a few years ago.
Facebook, Twitter and CZcams don't control me. PornHub controls me.
💪 make sure to switch arms sometimes.
And stay TF outta Texass!
Texas DA wants to know your location
@@DBGE001 so does Speaker of the House, Mike Johnson
😂
Byron Tau is such a stereotypical, seemingly neurodivergent, tech nerd, and I love him for it. Dude has both a vast knowledge of the capabilities of current technology and a strong sense of ethics and morality. 100% respect.
I never pass up the opportunity to provide false data and pollute their data.
Will smith's "Enemy of the State" was really ahead of its time movie!
We have no chance for privacy anymore😢
💯💯💯 Along with 1984 and Minority Report 😔
From 1992 Sneakers: The world isn't run by weapons anymore, or energy, or money. It's run by little ones and zeroes, little bits of data. It's all just electrons. There's a war out there, old friend. A world war. And it's not about who's got the most bullets. It's about who controls the information. What we see and hear, how we work, what we think... it's all about the information!
What really worried me about the abortion thing is all of those "free" period tracking apps.... and the ability to see 'oh so and so didn't have their period for 3 months then had it again, let's go see if they had an illegal abortion'
Absolutely terrifying and sadly accurate.
Thanks, Jordan! That was fun AND informative. I think you'd make a spectacular...president!?! 😘
On my Galaxy S10+, I can't even use my camera without giving it permission to "access other nearby devices" tell me why 🤔🧐🧐🧐
You can only give it permissions for the camera. The rest is for the meta data and "convenience", time, location, ability to categorize by people's faces etc.
Nearby devices is ability to utilize Bluetooth features. Such as taking pictures remotely or recording audio with headphones. If you take off permission you can still take pictures but the features that would utilize any kind of remote action won't function properly
@@-Otter-Space- My camera function will not open unless I have that permission on. My dad has an older version of my phone and his doesn't need that permission to be able to use. Trust, I did a thorough investigation lol
Important Convo
I so miss Jordan Klepper’s show but he is a real star on the Daily Show
Klepper is the perfect host to take over full time - he’s absolutely the best (obv other than the GOAT Jon Stewart)
why is it so hard for regular people to go to a) find a data broker and b) find out what data they’re selling and for how much?
One of my favorite media shows.
these are not "technology companies" this is just big business advertising
As disingenuous/halfhearted/etc as Jordan was covering the topic, THANK YOU FOR FINALLY SPENDING THE TIME TO SIMPLY GRAZE THE BREADTH/DEPTH OF THIS TOPIC … it took beyond way too many years, but as the saying goes - Better Late Than Never 🙏🏾
Very informative!!! 🎯
Fact Check: Many tyre pressure monitoring systems do not use a radio transmitter anymore - that's the old tech ... most modern cars use the ABS sensors to calculate the tyre pressure - it's cheaper to produce this way.
Similarly few cars these days have a direct connection to the telephone network, they tend to need you to pair your phone with them to get that connection - lower ongoing cots if the connection is provided by the user.
The government does not need to use radio sensors to catch 20% of cars when they can just use the existing network of traffic cameras and connect them to computers to read your license plate.
Radio-based TPMS systems are absolutely still a thing; it's the only way to get the direct, precise measurements any higher-end dash system uses. The ABS-based systems are a low-cost alternative that can only give a general indication of one tire being out of sync with the rest - if anything, it's the latter system that's falling out of favor as the cost of implementing direct sensors becomes minimal.
Likewise, every car with one of today's ubiquitous OnStar button has a direct data connection to the cloud. With the tech in cars moving to over-the-air-updatable modern systems, if not outright subscription-based features, those connections ain't going away any time soon.
So yeah, wrong on both counts, I'm afraid.
@@FathimirAww bless ... keep telling yourself that.
@@oomwat6101 'kaaaaaay. Weird stance for a 'fact-checker' to say "I acknowledge your rebuttal of my points and have no response" - think you've been spending too long on the internet if you think empty mockery is a sound debate tactic.
@@FathimirI just like to feed the trolls :D
I enjoy watching them get all triggered and stuff ... particularly when they are so obviously wrong.
Connected technologies are like money; Everyone has a different level of aptitude with money and they have different relationships to it in their daily lives. But _everyone_ needs to have enough understanding of how it works that you don't sign up for loan with a 300% APR.
AKA a payday loan....
everyone needs to know just how "hackable " the human mind is, and how different entities are able to manipulate individuals and masses. the lengths gone to are extreme (and mostly designed to not be recognized by the conscious mind. ) because of algorithms and the composite aggregate of all of our data, humanity is now predictable (to a high nineties percentile ),and even if well informed on the subject and able to recognize the tactics employed; one is helpless to resist their influence
What happened to John Oliver saying he would release data on congress clicking his weird ads?
Snowden revealed most of this stuff years ago. Why is everyone all shocked when this guy says it? I could've answered the same stuff had you asked me the same questions last week.
The specifics have changed quite a bit since the Snowden revelations, even if the broad strokes are the same. Data brokers have grown significantly and techniques like seeding SDKs that provide location services to application developers then harvesting and selling the results as well as abusing advertising exchange bidding systems to mine data on consumers have made this market more accessible to non-state and actors from other states in ways that were not possible in the era of the Snowden revelations.
As ever, it is up to the user to protect as much of their own privacy as possible by being diligent. It is a pain to have to set privacy settings for every app, and check after every update, but it is worth it.
They never forget. Elephants has extremely sensitive feet and excellent hearing. Their kids are not like humans, but quite helpless in the first years.
All I get are advertising for something I already own or things I don't want or need.
Ok Big Brother
💯💯💯🎯😔
Have Bassem Youssef on
Yes! Yes! Such an amazing talent and heart! 💚✊
I wanna see Bassem Youssef go head-to-head with that Rabbi Schmuley clown lol
No, don't.
Jordan needs his own show.
No different from a marketing agency collecting information from ie advertising, telemarketing... but the amount on information collected today is immense.
A confuse app shouldn't be that hard to make. One that give wrong data, perhaps only slightly wrong
So Daily Show having a guest promoting a book about protecting cyber privacy, too, is tailored to whom willing to spend and made me wanting to read the book but I'll borrow it.😁 Now will I see a social membership ad for whom looking for convenience to borrow books? Never ending 😂
Haha, I just saw a book titled 'A summary of Byron Tau's Means of Controle' at the top of Google book search😂
"Tracking 100%"
I can't live in this world anymore
The expectations of celibacy, of chastity, of abstinence are among the most ridiculous propositions I've heard.
It's really naive to think that somehow it's less bad that companies get your data. Government and corporate world are interconnected enough that it doesn't matter anyway but at least people have some influence on government. And Nike may be a less sinister example, but ever since Cambridge Analytica, Nike should really not be the first example of data abuse that comes to mind.
Sigh. I'm daunted by the number of activities I will have to take to maintain my privacy. Each app setting MUST have a special "Opt out of ALL tracking options" in a truly obvious place.
One quick note about one of Mr. Tau's throwaway examples: Uber may not strictly *need* your location data, but it's legitimately and hugely helpful to your driver for you to have it on. It lets us see your precise location to find and pick you up, and provides an extra layer of security while doing so to ensure somebody else doesn't take off in your ride.
For your driver's sake, please help us help you in this case!
This would be fine if it was only the driver that gets this information, unfortunately Uber gets it too so for some people's threat models it's not an option.
Like I’ve always said, “ there are no free apps”.
The free/libre and open source software community might disagree. Many people make apps that they share freely including the source code so you could check that the app is doing what it says it doing. My phones and computers all run almost exclusively on open source software that is both free to use, though donations to its developers are appreciated, and respects my freedom to compute as I wish - In private.
It is worth to say many times.
Your data doesn't mean much to you. That doesn't mean you should sell it cheap.
The trifecta, I'm first on all three March 27 Daily Show clips!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Someone needs to investigate Sirius XM to see if they are also selling your data in your car.
It's almost like it should be illegal to use collected personal data for purposes other than what it was collected for.
For the thousandth time: how to fix poverty, government, and capitalism in America; Make it illegal to sell an individuals data without them being notified at every transaction with the ability to reject and control their own price.
politics and the economy were enshittifying long before big tech started selling your data
Lemme get rid of my Grindr. 🤭
This is why I pay for Grindr Xtra lol jk 😂
I would love to see Kai Shappley on this show!
Well that's great Emma. Thanks for sharing.
This isn't going to go away. It's only going to get worse.
People are giving valuable stuff away to these companies for nothing. Never let an app have or use your info. Like he said, you can type the address in, and it doesn't need to be exactly where you are. But let the app have it, and they'll take down everywhere you go and sell it.
We gave away our Alexa ,but as stated it’s already too late ☹️
Scary
I already knew this. Tell us what something new. And its not just Government, the Corporations are the collector and distributor of the data. We the People have already lost the battle.
as a software engineer I've known it too for decades, but telling anyone I know not to install every random app that a store or company wants you to install is like talking to a brick wall.
Mostly it's "I've got nothing to hide, why do I care?"
What's to stop someone from putting out fake data, and then having that be collected by a data broker?
1. Knowing they need to
2. A lot of this data comes from the operating systems of you devices and proprietary software that you don't control and can't modify, If you want to put out less or fake data you'd have to switch to an open source operating system that would let you do this like Linux for PCs or an open source android ROM like Lineage or GrapheneOS for phones. For devices where this is not a option like cars not much you can do other than get something old enough it doesn't have some of this stuff.
So this Chinese guy, we laugh with?
Edward Snowden, we were told to laugh at!
Exactly- the hypocrisy (or ignorance? not sure which) is truly astounding.. :(
When you sign in to your device you are signing in to the internet.
This is why I'm glad to be on my way out. Privacy will be a thing of the past.
I pity people who will live their lives in the second half of this century.
You think it's bad when you can be cancelled for your social media posts?
Wait until it gets to the point that no posts are required. You'll be pre-declined everywhere you go.
Is this the same episode Michael Costa was making fun of the conspiracy theorists?
Exactly!!!
Anyone who sees this should put it in context of the apartheid loving technofascist cult Elons grandfather Joshua Haldeman was a part of (worth a look up, if unfamiliar) to see the possible writing on the wall where this could be heading 😔 #justsayin
Oh if only people actually understood how networking worked.
You can't get something for nothing.
Similarly you can't go to a website without devices exchanging information.
What i dont like. Thus guy puts the blame on consumers when its the ceos the ones selling people data
Because of the governments failure to pass comprehensive privacy legislation these companies can get away with this leaving individuals to fend for themselves - it's not blame its pragmatism. In the current situation you have to fend for your own privacy irrespective of how we got here, who's responsible and what needs to change in the future.
That part about “ways you can protect yada yada” was BS. I try to block a bunch of stuff and what happens is that nothing works and you end up needing to go thru all the security hoops to get back i your acct or it doesnt work appropriately. They close all the loops. People have little idea. These cats are in every computer and every phone. Cyber Security is years behind the times.
"turn off your microphone" they say...
Yeah, right...
Use a Private DNS server on your network, mine blocks about 25% of my traffic thats tracking and info sharing....
The things people give up just to have some entertainment.
I may have to get this book. Tau actually has a couple new insights, maybe there's some tips.
Seriously bummed about those tire sensors. My car's not even new. I'm so missing my zombie apocalypse car, 1983 Mercedes 300D turbo. Virtually indestructible, no sensors/electronics, and runs almost anything for fuel. Syrians running melted down milk jugs through theirs when they were under blockade!
the "tire sensors" are called TPMS, tire pressure monitoring system, and they are in the wheels, not the tires. They are not linked to you specifically, but they do have a unique id that if someone is polling a large amount of traffic over a long period of time they can build models in aggregate of which sensors went where. Tying them to actual cars is a lot more difficult.
Hey jordan... ever occur to you that the corporation is directing the government? That they are "reporting on you" to gain advantage on you with government?
It was rather curious when your first reaction immediately divorced the two as separate... Think we know who jordan is right..... 😮
"Selling car data to insurance companies"
No.
Just no.
STOP IT NOW !
Yes, Big Brother is watching. No, there’s nothing you can do about it. Have a nice day. 🤖
This has been happening for over 7 years
Much longer! Think Patriot Act and Edward Snowden were our giant red flags. I still can't believe that people were more upset about his being a whistle-blower on the government than by the fact that they were spying on us.🤦
Thanks. Great intel...
to an ever increasing extent, in some form or other, for 79 years, more like it.
@@thehellyousay forever
Thank you for covering other frightening things which are not political. 😂
It's scary to think about but then i have to wonder why my privacy in this sense matters so much. I get sales calls and i tell them to f off. None of it affects my life in any meaningful way.
The insurance thing should scare a lot of ppl, both medical and car insurance companies do shady stuff to do whatever they can to decline a claim.
Wait until employers buy this stuff or read your texts while at work - they do - because it goes through their system before exiting the building.
@@paulas_lens texts go through their system? Phones connect to masts that have nothing to do with employers. Do you mean work phones or something? I work for quite a small company so I don't really think that's an issue for me.... Or anyone, kinda crazy tbh
@@Dan-Simms I'm in the UK so I get free medical care. Car insurance wise I have a 15 year old Audi and there's no way I'd ever let them fit a tracker so probably not an issue either (for me)
It's called Berla Corp and they've been collecting as much information as they can from your car's infotainment center including your car's charging port since 2013-2015 for law enforcement. This shoddy reporting is a joke. A segment on car data and no mention of Berla Corp. Oops- just got all your contacts, text messages and call logs! 😂
😮😮😮😮😮😮😮
Everything you post can be used against you…eventually it will.
I'd be more concerned by entities other than governments getting this info - governments being cast as modern-day bogeymen, that description fits in a few notable cases but... really?
What happened to 14th amendment section 1?
Honestly I try not to think about it.
it's legal... that is all IT is, why???..... just asking......
I can’t stand having to listen to people selling their books.
Brokering the data, 😵💫, save it and SELL it...🤯
1998 yea internet, 2024 boo internet.
‘#Privacy Nightmare on Wheels’: Every #Car Brand Reviewed By Mozilla - Including #Ford, #Volkswagen and #Toyota - Flunks Privacy Test
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Its hilarious that Klepper respectfully interviews the author about this subject re: privacy and protections. Yet, in the same show mocks( the only pres candidate discussing these things) RFK, Jr. as a 'conspiracy theorist' for discussing these same, or similar, various privacy incursions and exploitations by corporate-captured industries in our govt and elsewhere. The collective intelligence and awareness of our country would be greater if more got their info from respectful conversations with each other, and/or reading, than listening to media's distorted sound bites about others, designed to defame their character.
the difference being that RFK is a conspiracy theorist, who thinks vaccines are the devil. Hope that helps.
West World was a warning.
Literally no claim was made about any government doing any form of surveillance.
Indeed they are just buying it from companies that are doing it anyway allowing them to circumvent the laws which prohibit them from doing it themselves.
i have every possible notification turned off in my premium spotify account and yet i receive countless notifications and recommendations that i'd never ever listen to anyways. when i contacted them their response was "are you sure?!" and now i get twice as many. enough of this perfidious entitlement capitalism
I really couldn’t care less who has basic info on me. I’m not buying what you’re selling.
Unfortunately data your devices generate is not just about you it about everyone around you - poor privacy practices can land people you care about in trouble.
@@RichardJActon how so? Can you please give an example? Is there a place I can see what kind of data it’s gathering?
Watch Japanese animes “Akira” and “ghost in the Shell”
See also: 'psychopass' and 'serial experiments lain'
Hey, Daily Show, when are you going to feature Kennedy? ❤