Great video ...good topics to discuss. I went through the 2 post /4 post decision process and ended up with a 4-post. Ultimate safety and insufficient concrete specs are what drove my decision. Just some ramblings: IMHO, the *first* thing you should assess is your garage floor. If you know your concrete is sufficiently thick and PSI rated for a 2 - post and able to take the manufacturer specified anchors, then you've eliminated a lot of concern ...but this usually entails having a build spec for the concrete garage floor; you build the garage around the lift you intend to use. Or you cut out a more than sufficient section of floor and re-pour it. If, like me, the garage was poured per standard spec, then things get iffy and a full-size two post isn't gonna work. The short "portable" 2 - post lifts *might* work but you have to be sure of your slab and psi rating. I like your tall jack stand usage ...hadn't seen how that works with a 4-post. Another option I chose is using trolley jacks that slide in between the runways for raising the front or back or both. All the 4-post "hobby" lifts are made in China. There is an organization called the "Automotive Lift Institute" ...ALI for short. This is an independent testing organization ...kinda like Underwriters Laboratories ...but dealing strictly with lifts. You can go to their website and see the testing they put representative lifts through to get the ALI Gold Star Certification. You can also see lifts by brand and model that have been certified. The 4-poster Direct-Lift I purchased had been certified ...which is about as good as you can get in giving you some peace of mind the lift was built to specific standards. Great video and thanks for showing how it use the floor stands ...might have to score a pair.
All great points to be made for sure. Concrete and safety under a two post is of utmost important. Adding stabilizing jacks to the 2post is also something few people do, but go a long way with safety. Lifts are great, as long as theyre used and installed wisely.
I partially agree. We have to stop with "it's from China". A lot of american billionaires are billionaires because of China. It doesn't matter where the product is created as it matters more the company or investor, how did they request for it to be built? You have brands like Stanley. When making some tools they could choose for those same Chinese manufacturers to make it out of high quality steel, but a lot of them don't to make more money $$$ and here we go denigraing a whole country that built only what those companies requested. Lastly, hell chances are your phone, computer, ect..where are most of them made or assembled? Exactly. Great video.
The most insanely dangerous lift I've ever seen was in the tech school I went to as part of shop class a thousand years ago. It was technically a 2-post, but the posts were hydraulic rams under the front and back ends of the car. The rams were independently controlled. This made it handy to lift either end for specific repairs, but obviously tricky to raise both ends evenly. What made the setup so dangerous was that the controls were in a well in the floor... in front of the lift. You had to kneel on the floor, reach down, and work two valves like a backhoe operator to operate the lift. From that angle it was impossible to tell if you were level or not. What happened every single time was that you would raise the back more than the front because that looked level from your perspective. So you were literally tipping the car towards you while kneeling just ten feet in front of it. It remains the single dumbest thing I have ever seen in my life.
Ha! I'm a retired automotive technician, started in 1977 and have used those very same lifts. Never had a problem with one, it can be unnerving the first few times you use it. I used my foot to run them...
Great Video: I was definitely not sure which type of lift to buy. You have convinced me to go with a 4 poster since I am a relatively basic hobby user. My primary need is to store two vehicles in the normal space for one. Using the jack stands you discussed as an option in order to get to wheels and brakes solved that access concern.
I had a free 2-post lift from a dealership that was in decent shape, the one my buddy used for years at work. I saw a 12k heavy duty shop 4 post for $1000 and bought that and installed it, anchored down type. Best decision for me. One perspective is if you want a lift so you don't have to get on ground at all get a 4-post. Every 2 post and the praised scissor lift here you need to get down to where lift points are at eye level every time you lift a vehicle, royal pita, worth figuring out work arounds for a 4-post to do similar tasks.
One of the most informative videos I have watched on any subject. Excellent pace of delivery, detail and sense of genuine honesty and knowledge. The info provided solidified my decision to go with a four post lift. Thank you .
Great video. That is probably the most informative video I’ve see in a long time. You made some excellent points. I worked at a full service gas station when I was in high school. We had a single post lift with four points of contact to the frame (same as a two post) that I would use to work on my Chevelle after hours. I could grab my front bumper and rock the car. I felt a lot less safe when I found this out.
Great info on the different lifts. For an old man like me, any work beyond floor jack height is going to a professional shop. I agree with you on the safety factor, who knows what was used by the home builder for the garage floor. The four post is for sure the safer option. Pulling a Corvette driveline can be done elsewhere if need be, and that’s a rare occurrence. Safety above all else.
See that...well, you know concrete better than me. I suppose I should clarify then though, that due to the minimum thickness, being away from those "lines" is required, so people should be aware of those "grooves" either way, when thinking where they can place it. That's how it was always relayed to me, by the installers.
@@KnightDriveTV Yes, sir. 1 slab with control joints. Those "grooves" are called control joints or expansion joints. As stated, they exist to "control" the formation of cracks in the concrete - to encourage the slab to form the cracks along / inside those control joints. They are troweled into the wet concrete slab the day it is poured, while the concrete is still workable. As far as how far away from a control joint a concrete anchor could be installed, I've always said a minimum of 6 inches, 12 inches to be safest.
i appreciate the knowledge you provided in this video, i was going to get a two posts lift, but after watching this video i am getting a 4 posts lift, safety was the deciding factor.
Wow! So glad I happened upon your video before ordering my lift. This has helped me in my decision and changed what I thought would suit me best. Cheers, bud.
Hi Damian, very thorough, unbiased video. Yes, we sell a lot more 4-posters than 2-posters to home mechanics here in Oz - as they're definitely safer in shared garage environments... A lot quicker to get cars on and off - and with optional Jacking Beam/s every bit as versatile as 2-posters... And, most guys don't realise how much extra width and height a 2-poster needs... I'll refer potential customers to your video - so they can get a good, balanced comparison... Thx, Rohan :)
A four post is not as versatile you can easily make or buy adapters for motorcycles, lawn mowers and atv. With a four post list the ramps are always the way. You cal also store cars on two post lifts, but if that is all you want it for get the four post
@@alanswanson5642 With all due respect - I must disagree. 4-Posters can be used for nearly all services you can do on a 2-Poster. We have mechanics using them for practically EVERY service. 2-Posters were never designed for car storage - but yes, if u wanna muck around each time you get the car on and off - and have the time to do it - go for it. Additionally - they’re not as safe - especially in a shared, home environment. It’s why we sell twice as many 4-Posters to enthusiasts and home mechanics.
@herohoistsaustralia4502 as I said if all you want it for is storage get a four post. Just because you sell more of one kind doesn't mean they are the best. Show me a single auto shop that uses four post lifts. They have a lot of limitations for dropping out the bottom. Simply not as versatile. I currently have a two post but I am thinking about a four post for my second lift, but it would never be my first.
@@alanswanson5642 The primary reason commercial workshops might only have 2 -Posters is cost. And, their focus is obviously service - not storage. I know professional mechanics who only reluctantly turn to 2-Posters for specific services on specific vehicles - (where a 2-Poster might be superior) - but generally prefer 4-Posters for ease of use, safety and speed in getting cars on and off. I never said 4-Posters are ‘best’ - I simply said that for most folks they’re DEFINITELY more versatile. You’re welcome to your clearly biased opinion of course - but I’m speaking from experience selling BOTH types - and from constant feedback from customers. So - there’s that - dude… 😑
Amazing video and as a hobbyist this was what I needed to hear as I had not considered a 4-post and you totally sold me. I was nervous about a 2-post as I am not a concrete expert either, but thank you so much! I love to tinker but I am a nurse not a diehard and I want to be alive to play w my cars.
Homeboy at 9:37 was bummed he totalled his car, but he could have died, or killed someone else, or a dog. Shop going out of biz near me had each of these lifts, I thought I wanted the two poster, but thank you for the video. I researched this homes configuration , just the amount of testing needed to put a 2 post lift in kinda scares me. Look like the 4 post lift probably all the way. Thank you for the great explanations.
Great video. Given my soon to be garage situation, I'm seeing a lot of advantages to a 4 post like you've shown here.. - Not needing to anchor it, thus - being able to move / reposition it, - Can also remove it "without a trace" (no holes or modifications to slab), - Generally smaller footprint in a smaller garage - Using the stands to lift the car off the wheels seems like a good solution - Lesser slab requirements - Lower height requirements (considering ceiling height) - Just safer given its inherent stability with a post beyond each corner of the car .. the 4-poster would probably be a much better fit for my situation. Especially as my slab is suspended, which will be a major consideration.
Great video, covered all my questions. Thanks for being so thorough. I am a Hobbyist and have Grandsons that will be using it and we all have trucks so safety is my most concern. Ready to pull the trigger on an Advantage SS-11000-WD 4 post for all the reasons u covered. Thanks again, will be sharing this vid.
I have been going through the 2 post/4 post/scissor debate for the last month. I've pretty much narrowed it down to a scissor lift. The price is a tough pill to swallow but I think I'll be happier. Most of my work would be suspension and automotive detailing related. I've worked and saved very hard over the last five years and am finally excited that I can now afford it. No more laying on the ground and being sore for two days afterwards!😂
WOW!!! Thank you!!! What a comprehensive video on exactly what I'm trying to decide right now. I wouldn't even consider a 2-post unless I did a little excavation and did a monolithic pour of reinforced, high PSI concrete with overkill on the thickness AND dimensions to the edges of the pour. That's why I'm leaning towards the 4-post right now. A 4-post is more expensive but the cost of proper concrete and labor for a 2-post is also significant cash. The only thing that sucks is I haven't figured out a setup to raise the cab on my pickup trucks with a 4-post. It's more like raise the truck, support the cab, and then lower the chassis. My other SUV's are a no-brainer for the 4-post. Great video, thanks again!!!
Best video out there which addresses legitimate considerations regarding the differences between 2 and 4 post lifts. I was in the 2 post camp. Now I’m firmly in Team 4 Post. Excellent job and much appreciated.
I just bought a huge barndo that's 2/3 shop. The four post is the way I want to go. I will be alone on 40 acres, miles from help...So I need SAFETY. I survived 20 years as a cop and it would suck to die under a car on a two post lift.
My option was the Quick Jack 7000TLX with SUV AND LIGHT TRUCK ADAPTER KIT. Paid 1600.00 complete. Will lift my C5 and Ram Dually with no problem. Height is adequate for most jobs, and portability is there. Heavy but stable. Great when you can't commit the space to a full lift.
This was an interesting video. I am deciding on this right now for our new garage. My wife was a tech at a dealership for over a decade, and she says that for most work on a car the 2 post (asymmetric) is far easier for working on a car, since most work requires removal of wheels. On the other hand, I am less experienced, and have never liked setting lift arms. I haven't worked in a shop since the early 90s, when we had a single post in-floor hydraulic lift, and I saw a few co-workers have disasters on the lift (bad judgement, not the fault of the lift). I like the idea of a 4-post for storage, basic stuff like oil changes and detailing lower panels (I'm old and have back problems, it helps a lot to be able to lift the car higher). It is mostly foolproof, much harder to drop a car. We are probably going to compromise and get both, Hers and His.
Thank you for the video. I am currently trying to decide what lift to purchase and I had a ton of questions. Your video laid it all out for me. Great content, covered all my concerns and now I am confident on which lift to purchase. Thank you
thanks. 4 post lift are safer....than two post lifts...thank you for the video...gave me a good insight into the reason for having to have 4 post lift....good luck..
Thank you for this video information that you just revealed to us on this video is crucial. I have worked with both to post and four post lift in the past and yes, I agree with you. The four post is much more safer. And having the option to move the four post indoors or outdoors is very important to me. Thank you for your video.
Cheers for the info. You’ve reaffirmed my decision to purchase a 4 poster. I just need to get my concrete pad redone beforehand. Looking forward to being able to work underneath my cars without jack stands in my 50s.
Most mechanics will disagree. If you are only getting one lift get a two post for versatility. It only takes a few minutes to put a car on a two post. The brace the previous owner put in was a good idea. I have tied my two post to an overhead beam in a triangular shape to add an element of safety. Plan to do the same when i install my four post next week.
This video is intended for the weekend warrior, the hobbyist, at best. I also mention in the video, if you are comfortable in this space, do frequenty work and major projects, a 2 post MAY be better but working with the concrete is the most difficult issue. In my case, the brace was added because this lift was falling over, and this is well beyond your average home garage. Lastly, I owned multiple shops, employed many "mechanics" and still have always felt strongly, that if I'm going to choose which to have, a 4 post is safer for common hobbyist spaces. Relying on concrete in a house garage or an old slab is tempting fate, as shown in my 2posts case. If I were building a custom space, with new concrete, 2 posts are a must BUT I'd always have a 4 post in place for quick/dirty lifting.
Great vid! I’m looking at 4 post but she’s gotta live outside probably under a tent on my gravel until I build my garage. Love the dual parking flexibility plus all the ways to still do suspension/tires/brakes. Tired of crawling on Vegas hot gravel and scared of jackstands/hydraulic 3 ton jack combo… makes it so I can’t concentrate on the job and only think if my head getting squished or suffocating if something goes wrong. I’d have to change casters for something I can roll on gravel till I can Pimp my garage :) thanks! Vegas in the house!!
If outside, do the 4 posts work on gravel or still have to pour concrete where the posts sit? Any brand recommendations? Great informative video, thanks!
I just bought a 2-post, wish I,d watched this first. Having doughts about my concrete. Those columns are mondo-heavy. I will need to rent some kind of lift.
Be careful under there. Doing a concrete sample matters. If they give way, itll likely do so with little warning. Getting the uprights positioned exactly right is also key. I always paid to have my lifts installed so that a company had some attached liability...just how I always went about it.
KD, nice video, I've been going back and forth between two and four PST for a year. Main usage is for auto repairs for me and my sons, F350 super duty, Ford Escape, Honda civic and Ford fiesta ST. Also to store our motorcycles on the 4 PST during winter. My concern is, how difficult would it be to use a 4PST to do break work, front bearing changes, front suspension work and tire rotations. I guess the reasoning of my concern is the different width of the vehicles and the width of the frame rails possibly getting in the way of the work. I do like the availability to move the four post where I want or need it.
The 4 post has its compromises, but in a compromised space, theyre hard to compete with. F350s down to civics though, thats a big spread for a 4post, and starts to move into dedicated 2 post 11k+lb lift territory. If you have a solid space with good concrete, then in that lineup I'd maybe go 2post. The moment you talk f350's though, you need a large area around that lift or its going to tricky.
Great info! I'm currently in this position of choice. I leaning for a 4 post with the hydraulic option so I can raise to remove tires..... And of course then I can stack my cars..... thx for the great vid
Extremely informative. I was just thinking about about a lift. And thought about both but you sold me on the 4 post. Also make sure I have a good floor.
I've got a 110v adapter on my 10k 2 post lift from Olympic. I'm definitely happy with it. If i move, I will be going to a 12k 4 post service lift. Very informative video. You do an excellent job of presenting in an unbiased way.
moving my 4 post home from my dads was a snap we loaded it on a rolloff tow truck tied it down brought it home rolled it off and it went strait back to use ,
Can someone help me please? 1) Can you suggest any proven methods of installing such a lift in a garage that has a slope of at least 4-5 inches? 2) Also, would the lift shift if I don’t bolt it to the ground? (I would rather not anchor it as my concrete slab is only 4 inches thick.)
You don't want to leave one end of the car on jack stands on the ground and the other end on the lift still. This is very bad for 4 post lifts especially light duty one's like yours. You are supposed to use rolling jacks that mount on inner rails to lift one end of a vehicle on a 4 post lift.
I'm going to disagree with you there. I sit the lift on the locks and have done it for 12yrs+. I also know a number of pro shops that use this system, which is where I derived it from.
@@KnightDriveTV I kind of figured you would but next time you lift while one end on jacks on ground watch how the end with weight struggles while unweighted end of lift is responding different. That sort of thing is how people end up having problems. I believe if a problem develops you'll catch it before you drop a vehicle off but some late night or distracted and then boom. Good luck, just wanted to make sure someone plays devils advocate on your video about this. Good luck.
I can only have 1. I have a 4 car garage two car side entry and 2 car front entry. The front entry has a single 10’ x10’ door. It's a 30’ deep by 30’ wide garage. 1/2 of this 30x30 garage is for tools, storage etc. The shop area has 10’ ceilings. The other half of this single Bay has 18’ ceilings. I'm pretty sure I'm going to get the tallest 4 post that can hold my Ford F-350 long bed and park two cars tandem under it. I would love to have both lifts but that's not an option. The other reason I'd like a 4-post is for alignments
The debate between the two is very tough, but if you can only have one...to me, you can't go wrong with a 4 post. If you can have two...well...you see the video...lol.
I have a 4 post lift and love it. I also have a C5 Z06 like you. I always wondered if I need to do a clutch job on my 4 post, can I lift the car with jacks while on the lift so the wheels are suspended in the air, then let the drivetrain rest on the 4 post lift?
I think with some creative thinking, anything can be done on the 4 post. I have used the larger jacks to put the car in the air, then use jack stands on the ramps/outer mounting points for the body and have the entire car off the wheels, on the ramps. Lots of variations because the 4post is so stable.
Not so sure about this… I had the rear out of my C5Z to rebuild the transmission using a 2 post lift. I lowered the suspension and sub frame down with a transmission jack, got a buddy to help lift it to the ground, then used the transmission jack to get the transmission out. I cannot imagine how that job would go on a 4 post lift. About the only way I can see doing it would be to get the rear of the body on stands, lower the sub frame onto the lift rails and then drag it backwards out of the way? Also, getting the mufflers out of a C5 requires lots of space under the rear. Not sure if that would work on a 4 post or not? Personally, once the car is in the air I think a 2 post gives by far the most access, but I completely see what you’re saying about safety, and getting the car lifted on a 2 post can be a bit of work. I’ve never used a 4 post or a scissor before though, so it’s just my POV. I’m building a house right now and I’m going to have a 6” deep section of concrete in the garage under where the lift is going, with 6” wire mesh at half depth just to be safe.
Great info. Do you have any opinion on keeping a 4 post outdoors? I'm thinking I'd put some nylon or rubber blocks underneath to eliminate rusting of the base. Sub'ed, good luck with the channel.
I have definitely seen many outdoors. Definitely depends on the climate, what type of luclbrication and prep you do, to combat weather, but definitely dooable
What brands of 4-post lifts do you have confidence in? Most lower cost lifts are not certified by ALI (Automotive Lift Institute), as I'm sure you know.
I'm not here to suggest brands. Bendpak...the end. Most people will end up with a china lift, and I have owned many. Greg Smith equipment sells atlas and propark...they wouldnt sell lifts that are failing out. Also, keep in mind, china has its own certifying processes. In the US or China though, a lift used for certification isnt always the lift you receive...production quality, inspection of your own lift and leaving the lift a margin is important, imo. I have a 9k lb lift, means I am lifting 6500 max on a chinese lift...thats just me.
Great video! It was very helpful. I'm having difficulty finding the tall Jack Stands (tripod) as shown in your video. Can you tell me where you got yours? The brand? What capacity they each can handle? Thank you for keeping it really simple and easy to understand too.
thank you for your video i’m leaning towards the 4 post drive on for safety and ease of installation. I have a quick ? if i wanted to bolt 4 post to garage floor for permeant solution can i, is it possible or recommended thanks
I wouldnt really characterize that as accurate. A pit doesnt allow sidework to be done and also cant lift the car. 2 posts are good if you're doing major work but the risk factor is way higher for the avg user.
Very good information, this is good food for thought. I currently have a Worth 10 ton 2 post lift. I wanted the center to be open to change exhaust systems, do brakes and just basic oil changes. I am limited by ceiling height, only 10 foot ceiling. I had mine professionally installed and have nice hard thick concrete. I am having a house built in NC with a shop and will be getting a lift so based upon your input I am going to look at 4 posts. Can you guve me a supplier as to where I can find shorter jack stands since I only get the cars up enough to get under them . Thanks.
I sourced the stands from amazon actually. For my lift, I ended up finding a local company who installed lifts, that also sells lifts they bring in. I ended up paying less for my 4 post professionally INSTALLED, than Greg Smith equipment sold the lift for, before tax and shipping, so be sure to shop your local area.
thanks for the info was very helpful.i was looking at sissor lift.but the 4 post seems the goods. you have scared me away from a 2 post. my roof height is only 2200mm double car garage.moving the car around on the 4 post cross my mind too.
ive always wanted a 2 post but after using a 4 post i think it would be the way to go. im certain i could find a fairly easy way to snatch the drivetrain out and not have to worry about it falling off, so much faster too like you say. unfortunately i will be on my back getting the drive line out this winter.
Great video ...good topics to discuss. I went through the 2 post /4 post decision process and ended up with a 4-post. Ultimate safety and insufficient concrete specs are what drove my decision.
Just some ramblings:
IMHO, the *first* thing you should assess is your garage floor. If you know your concrete is sufficiently thick and PSI rated for a 2 - post and able to take the manufacturer specified anchors, then you've eliminated a lot of concern ...but this usually entails having a build spec for the concrete garage floor; you build the garage around the lift you intend to use. Or you cut out a more than sufficient section of floor and re-pour it. If, like me, the garage was poured per standard spec, then things get iffy and a full-size two post isn't gonna work. The short "portable" 2 - post lifts *might* work but you have to be sure of your slab and psi rating.
I like your tall jack stand usage ...hadn't seen how that works with a 4-post. Another option I chose is using trolley jacks that slide in between the runways for raising the front or back or both.
All the 4-post "hobby" lifts are made in China. There is an organization called the "Automotive Lift Institute" ...ALI for short. This is an independent testing organization ...kinda like Underwriters Laboratories ...but dealing strictly with lifts. You can go to their website and see the testing they put representative lifts through to get the ALI Gold Star Certification. You can also see lifts by brand and model that have been certified. The 4-poster Direct-Lift I purchased had been certified ...which is about as good as you can get in giving you some peace of mind the lift was built to specific standards.
Great video and thanks for showing how it use the floor stands ...might have to score a pair.
All great points to be made for sure. Concrete and safety under a two post is of utmost important. Adding stabilizing jacks to the 2post is also something few people do, but go a long way with safety. Lifts are great, as long as theyre used and installed wisely.
Would you please tell me the brand you use for your 4 post? Thanks
I partially agree. We have to stop with "it's from China". A lot of american billionaires are billionaires because of China. It doesn't matter where the product is created as it matters more the company or investor, how did they request for it to be built? You have brands like Stanley. When making some tools they could choose for those same Chinese manufacturers to make it out of high quality steel, but a lot of them don't to make more money $$$ and here we go denigraing a whole country that built only what those companies requested. Lastly, hell chances are your phone, computer, ect..where are most of them made or assembled? Exactly. Great video.
The most insanely dangerous lift I've ever seen was in the tech school I went to as part of shop class a thousand years ago. It was technically a 2-post, but the posts were hydraulic rams under the front and back ends of the car. The rams were independently controlled. This made it handy to lift either end for specific repairs, but obviously tricky to raise both ends evenly. What made the setup so dangerous was that the controls were in a well in the floor... in front of the lift. You had to kneel on the floor, reach down, and work two valves like a backhoe operator to operate the lift. From that angle it was impossible to tell if you were level or not. What happened every single time was that you would raise the back more than the front because that looked level from your perspective. So you were literally tipping the car towards you while kneeling just ten feet in front of it. It remains the single dumbest thing I have ever seen in my life.
Sounds pretty sketchy...lol
Ha! I'm a retired automotive technician, started in 1977 and have used those very same lifts. Never had a problem with one, it can be unnerving the first few times you use it. I used my foot to run them...
Great Video: I was definitely not sure which type of lift to buy. You have convinced me to go with a 4 poster since I am a relatively basic hobby user. My primary need is to store two vehicles in the normal space for one. Using the jack stands you discussed as an option in order to get to wheels and brakes solved that access concern.
I had a free 2-post lift from a dealership that was in decent shape, the one my buddy used for years at work. I saw a 12k heavy duty shop 4 post for $1000 and bought that and installed it, anchored down type. Best decision for me.
One perspective is if you want a lift so you don't have to get on ground at all get a 4-post. Every 2 post and the praised scissor lift here you need to get down to where lift points are at eye level every time you lift a vehicle, royal pita, worth figuring out work arounds for a 4-post to do similar tasks.
One of the most informative videos I have watched on any subject. Excellent pace of delivery, detail and sense of genuine honesty and knowledge. The info provided solidified my decision to go with a four post lift. Thank you .
I appreciate it, hope it helps people make an informed decision.
Great video. That is probably the most informative video I’ve see in a long time. You made some excellent points. I worked at a full service gas station when I was in high school. We had a single post lift with four points of contact to the frame (same as a two post) that I would use to work on my Chevelle after hours. I could grab my front bumper and rock the car. I felt a lot less safe when I found this out.
Great info on the different lifts. For an old man like me, any work beyond floor jack height is going to a professional shop. I agree with you on the safety factor, who knows what was used by the home builder for the garage floor. The four post is for sure the safer option. Pulling a Corvette driveline can be done elsewhere if need be, and that’s a rare occurrence. Safety above all else.
Absolutely agree with you there. 4 post is hard option to beat...very safe.
FYI the concrete is one slab- the lines are there to create a place for cracks to naturally form, instead of forming randomly.
See that...well, you know concrete better than me. I suppose I should clarify then though, that due to the minimum thickness, being away from those "lines" is required, so people should be aware of those "grooves" either way, when thinking where they can place it. That's how it was always relayed to me, by the installers.
@@KnightDriveTV Yes, sir. 1 slab with control joints. Those "grooves" are called control joints or expansion joints. As stated, they exist to "control" the formation of cracks in the concrete - to encourage the slab to form the cracks along / inside those control joints. They are troweled into the wet concrete slab the day it is poured, while the concrete is still workable. As far as how far away from a control joint a concrete anchor could be installed, I've always said a minimum of 6 inches, 12 inches to be safest.
Thanks man. I was just telling my dad about what lifts I want in my new garage when I start building my new home soon.
Just trying to lend some experience to what I thought on each type. Thanks for watchin!
i appreciate the knowledge you provided in this video, i was going to get a two posts lift, but after watching this video i am getting a 4 posts lift, safety was the deciding factor.
Wow! So glad I happened upon your video before ordering my lift. This has helped me in my decision and changed what I thought would suit me best. Cheers, bud.
Glad I could help!
What a great explanation of the differences between the 2. I am glad I watched this before deciding what lift to get.
Hi Damian,
very thorough, unbiased video.
Yes, we sell a lot more 4-posters than 2-posters to home mechanics here in Oz - as they're definitely safer in shared garage environments...
A lot quicker to get cars on and off - and with optional Jacking Beam/s every bit as versatile as 2-posters...
And, most guys don't realise how much extra width and height a 2-poster needs...
I'll refer potential customers to your video - so they can get a good, balanced comparison...
Thx, Rohan
:)
Good stuff! Glad to help!
A four post is not as versatile you can easily make or buy adapters for motorcycles, lawn mowers and atv. With a four post list the ramps are always the way. You cal also store cars on two post lifts, but if that is all you want it for get the four post
@@alanswanson5642
With all due respect - I must disagree.
4-Posters can be used for nearly all services you can do on a 2-Poster.
We have mechanics using them for practically EVERY service.
2-Posters were never designed for car storage - but yes, if u wanna muck around each time you get the car on and off - and have the time to do it - go for it.
Additionally - they’re not as safe - especially in a shared, home environment.
It’s why we sell twice as many 4-Posters to enthusiasts and home mechanics.
@herohoistsaustralia4502 as I said if all you want it for is storage get a four post. Just because you sell more of one kind doesn't mean they are the best. Show me a single auto shop that uses four post lifts. They have a lot of limitations for dropping out the bottom. Simply not as versatile. I currently have a two post but I am thinking about a four post for my second lift, but it would never be my first.
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The primary reason commercial workshops might only have 2 -Posters is cost. And, their focus is obviously service - not storage.
I know professional mechanics who only reluctantly turn to 2-Posters for specific services on specific vehicles - (where a 2-Poster might be superior) - but generally prefer 4-Posters for ease of use, safety and speed in getting cars on and off.
I never said 4-Posters are ‘best’ - I simply said that for most folks they’re DEFINITELY more versatile. You’re welcome to your clearly biased opinion of course - but I’m speaking from experience selling BOTH types - and from constant feedback from customers.
So - there’s that - dude…
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Amazing video and as a hobbyist this was what I needed to hear as I had not considered a 4-post and you totally sold me. I was nervous about a 2-post as I am not a concrete expert either, but thank you so much! I love to tinker but I am a nurse not a diehard and I want to be alive to play w my cars.
For sure. Better safe than sorry. .4 posts are great with some add ons to make them really functional
Thanks so much for sharing this. You brought up a lot of things that I never thought of.
So thank you!!!
Best advice for lifts! Very very thorough!
Homeboy at 9:37 was bummed he totalled his car, but he could have died, or killed someone else, or a dog. Shop going out of biz near me had each of these lifts, I thought I wanted the two poster, but thank you for the video.
I researched this homes configuration , just the amount of testing needed to put a 2 post lift in kinda scares me. Look like the 4 post lift probably all the way.
Thank you for the great explanations.
Excellent explanation…..you change my mind. Love the large jack-stand idea
They work. Also the hydraulic center lift option that rides the inner rail between the ramps is huge as an upgrade also.
Great video. Given my soon to be garage situation, I'm seeing a lot of advantages to a 4 post like you've shown here..
- Not needing to anchor it, thus
- being able to move / reposition it,
- Can also remove it "without a trace" (no holes or modifications to slab),
- Generally smaller footprint in a smaller garage
- Using the stands to lift the car off the wheels seems like a good solution
- Lesser slab requirements
- Lower height requirements (considering ceiling height)
- Just safer given its inherent stability with a post beyond each corner of the car
.. the 4-poster would probably be a much better fit for my situation. Especially as my slab is suspended, which will be a major consideration.
Great video man! You covered everything. Very informative made my decision , 4 post!
Very informative, appreciate your knowledge being shared. I'm 99% confident after watching that the 4-post lift is going to be best for me.
Glad it could help make your decision better
Great video, covered all my questions. Thanks for being so thorough. I am a Hobbyist and have Grandsons that will be using it and we all have trucks so safety is my most concern. Ready to pull the trigger on an Advantage SS-11000-WD 4 post for all the reasons u covered. Thanks again, will be sharing this vid.
Glad it was helpful!
I have been going through the 2 post/4 post/scissor debate for the last month. I've pretty much narrowed it down to a scissor lift. The price is a tough pill to swallow but I think I'll be happier. Most of my work would be suspension and automotive detailing related. I've worked and saved very hard over the last five years and am finally excited that I can now afford it. No more laying on the ground and being sore for two days afterwards!😂
Scissor is a fantastic lift, in all honesty. If you can do a permanent, in floor installation especially, it makes for about the best you can ask for.
WOW!!! Thank you!!! What a comprehensive video on exactly what I'm trying to decide right now. I wouldn't even consider a 2-post unless I did a little excavation and did a monolithic pour of reinforced, high PSI concrete with overkill on the thickness AND dimensions to the edges of the pour. That's why I'm leaning towards the 4-post right now. A 4-post is more expensive but the cost of proper concrete and labor for a 2-post is also significant cash. The only thing that sucks is I haven't figured out a setup to raise the cab on my pickup trucks with a 4-post. It's more like raise the truck, support the cab, and then lower the chassis. My other SUV's are a no-brainer for the 4-post. Great video, thanks again!!!
Glad I could help in any way I can.
Informative video! Think you changed my mind on buying a 2 post lift…
Best video out there which addresses legitimate considerations regarding the differences between 2 and 4 post lifts. I was in the 2 post camp. Now I’m firmly in Team 4 Post. Excellent job and much appreciated.
Glad I could help in some way
I just bought a huge barndo that's 2/3 shop. The four post is the way I want to go. I will be alone on 40 acres, miles from help...So I need SAFETY. I survived 20 years as a cop and it would suck to die under a car on a two post lift.
My option was the Quick Jack 7000TLX with SUV AND LIGHT
TRUCK ADAPTER KIT. Paid 1600.00 complete. Will lift my C5 and Ram Dually with no problem. Height is adequate for most jobs, and portability is there. Heavy but stable. Great when you can't commit the space to a full lift.
Thanks for the video, I’ve been waffling between them for months.
Hadn't even considered a scissor lift. Thanks! Now my garage can still be a garage!
Great vid, much appreciated the comparison between the different options
This was an interesting video. I am deciding on this right now for our new garage. My wife was a tech at a dealership for over a decade, and she says that for most work on a car the 2 post (asymmetric) is far easier for working on a car, since most work requires removal of wheels. On the other hand, I am less experienced, and have never liked setting lift arms. I haven't worked in a shop since the early 90s, when we had a single post in-floor hydraulic lift, and I saw a few co-workers have disasters on the lift (bad judgement, not the fault of the lift). I like the idea of a 4-post for storage, basic stuff like oil changes and detailing lower panels (I'm old and have back problems, it helps a lot to be able to lift the car higher). It is mostly foolproof, much harder to drop a car. We are probably going to compromise and get both, Hers and His.
Thank you for the video. I am currently trying to decide what lift to purchase and I had a ton of questions. Your video laid it all out for me. Great content, covered all my concerns and now I am confident on which lift to purchase. Thank you
As soon as you mentioned cars tipping off a 2-post lift I was waiting for the C6 falling off! :)
Great video mate,thank you 👍🏻
thanks. 4 post lift are safer....than two post lifts...thank you for the video...gave me a good insight into the reason for having to have 4 post lift....good luck..
Great video, I think based on this I'll be looking into a scissor lift for mine.
The scissor is definitely a great move if you have a permanent space for it. Overall, its hard to beat.
Excellent video! I just got a 4 post lift and you justified all my concerns!
I posted a quick video of my own showing some concerns I had after assembling my lift.
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“Till the wife gets mad “ 😂😂😂mine is already mad knowing that I’m considering a lift at all 😂
Well explained. Helped me to make up my mind. Thank you. Subscribed.
Thank you for this video information that you just revealed to us on this video is crucial. I have worked with both to post and four post lift in the past and yes, I agree with you. The four post is much more safer. And having the option to move the four post indoors or outdoors is very important to me. Thank you for your video.
Best video on lifts I have ever watched,,,good job!
Appreciate that, thanks!
Cheers for the info. You’ve reaffirmed my decision to purchase a 4 poster. I just need to get my concrete pad redone beforehand. Looking forward to being able to work underneath my cars without jack stands in my 50s.
Most mechanics will disagree. If you are only getting one lift get a two post for versatility. It only takes a few minutes to put a car on a two post. The brace the previous owner put in was a good idea. I have tied my two post to an overhead beam in a triangular shape to add an element of safety. Plan to do the same when i install my four post next week.
This video is intended for the weekend warrior, the hobbyist, at best. I also mention in the video, if you are comfortable in this space, do frequenty work and major projects, a 2 post MAY be better but working with the concrete is the most difficult issue. In my case, the brace was added because this lift was falling over, and this is well beyond your average home garage. Lastly, I owned multiple shops, employed many "mechanics" and still have always felt strongly, that if I'm going to choose which to have, a 4 post is safer for common hobbyist spaces. Relying on concrete in a house garage or an old slab is tempting fate, as shown in my 2posts case. If I were building a custom space, with new concrete, 2 posts are a must BUT I'd always have a 4 post in place for quick/dirty lifting.
Best overview on the web. Thanks!
Thank you for sharing this information. God Bless!
Hello from CYQT, beautiful Thunder Bay ON Canada. GREAT video. THANK YOU for sharing your vast knowledge on this subject. It was very HELPFUL! : )
Great informative video my friend!
LOVE the video thank you so much
GREAT VIDEO ,VERY INFORMATIVE & HELPED ME MAKING MY DECISION !! THANKS AGAIN JESSE VIA LAS VEGAS
Good video thank you. The question I have is what brand of 4 post lift did you have in this video? Would you recommend it? Thanks
I want to know as well. None of the lifts I see online have casters
Great vid! I’m looking at 4 post but she’s gotta live outside probably under a tent on my gravel until I build my garage. Love the dual parking flexibility plus all the ways to still do suspension/tires/brakes. Tired of crawling on Vegas hot gravel and scared of jackstands/hydraulic 3 ton jack combo… makes it so I can’t concentrate on the job and only think if my head getting squished or suffocating if something goes wrong. I’d have to change casters for something I can roll on gravel till I can Pimp my garage :) thanks! Vegas in the house!!
That lift will survive outside easy here. Vegas livin!!
If outside, do the 4 posts work on gravel or still have to pour concrete where the posts sit? Any brand recommendations? Great informative video, thanks!
I just bought a 2-post, wish I,d watched this first. Having doughts about my concrete.
Those columns are mondo-heavy. I will need to rent some kind of lift.
Be careful under there. Doing a concrete sample matters. If they give way, itll likely do so with little warning. Getting the uprights positioned exactly right is also key. I always paid to have my lifts installed so that a company had some attached liability...just how I always went about it.
KD, nice video, I've been going back and forth between two and four PST for a year. Main usage is for auto repairs for me and my sons, F350 super duty, Ford Escape, Honda civic and Ford fiesta ST. Also to store our motorcycles on the 4 PST during winter. My concern is, how difficult would it be to use a 4PST to do break work, front bearing changes, front suspension work and tire rotations. I guess the reasoning of my concern is the different width of the vehicles and the width of the frame rails possibly getting in the way of the work. I do like the availability to move the four post where I want or need it.
The 4 post has its compromises, but in a compromised space, theyre hard to compete with. F350s down to civics though, thats a big spread for a 4post, and starts to move into dedicated 2 post 11k+lb lift territory. If you have a solid space with good concrete, then in that lineup I'd maybe go 2post. The moment you talk f350's though, you need a large area around that lift or its going to tricky.
Thank you KD, still on the fence.
Keep up the great videos.
Great info! I'm currently in this position of choice. I leaning for a 4 post with the hydraulic option so I can raise to remove tires..... And of course then I can stack my cars..... thx for the great vid
Helped a bunch I had decided on 4 post, ordered American made with kick down wheels.
Awesome...hope it helped in some small way
Excellent information well delivered thanks you have helped me choose a 4 post for my garage good luck with the channel :)
thank you!!!
Excellent video
I appreciate the comment
Excellent video. It really helped with my decision. Thanks.
Extremely informative. I was just thinking about about a lift. And thought about both but you sold me on the 4 post. Also make sure I have a good floor.
100%
Great video. You said it all !
I've got a 110v adapter on my 10k 2 post lift from Olympic. I'm definitely happy with it. If i move, I will be going to a 12k 4 post service lift.
Very informative video. You do an excellent job of presenting in an unbiased way.
Awesome, glad I could help in some small way
great video and topic ! thank you
Thank you for a great video. I am getting a 4 post lift
moving my 4 post home from my dads was a snap we loaded it on a rolloff tow truck tied it down brought it home rolled it off and it went strait back to use ,
Dude… you sold me on a four post with those jack stands. Now I just need to find a reasonably priced four post here in Toronto
Very helpful video thanks
Very informative video. Well presented. Excellent job.
Can someone help me please? 1) Can you suggest any proven methods of installing such a lift in a garage that has a slope of at least 4-5 inches? 2) Also, would the lift shift if I don’t bolt it to the ground? (I would rather not anchor it as my concrete slab is only 4 inches thick.)
You don't want to leave one end of the car on jack stands on the ground and the other end on the lift still. This is very bad for 4 post lifts especially light duty one's like yours. You are supposed to use rolling jacks that mount on inner rails to lift one end of a vehicle on a 4 post lift.
I'm going to disagree with you there. I sit the lift on the locks and have done it for 12yrs+. I also know a number of pro shops that use this system, which is where I derived it from.
@@KnightDriveTV I kind of figured you would but next time you lift while one end on jacks on ground watch how the end with weight struggles while unweighted end of lift is responding different. That sort of thing is how people end up having problems. I believe if a problem develops you'll catch it before you drop a vehicle off but some late night or distracted and then boom. Good luck, just wanted to make sure someone plays devils advocate on your video about this. Good luck.
I can only have 1. I have a 4 car garage two car side entry and 2 car front entry. The front entry has a single 10’ x10’ door. It's a 30’ deep by 30’ wide garage. 1/2 of this 30x30 garage is for tools, storage etc. The shop area has 10’ ceilings. The other half of this single Bay has 18’ ceilings. I'm pretty sure I'm going to get the tallest 4 post that can hold my Ford F-350 long bed and park two cars tandem under it.
I would love to have both lifts but that's not an option.
The other reason I'd like a 4-post is for alignments
The debate between the two is very tough, but if you can only have one...to me, you can't go wrong with a 4 post. If you can have two...well...you see the video...lol.
This was very helpful, thank you
What are the name of the tall jacks you recommend? Do you have a preference on which 4 post lift to get?
I have a 4 post lift and love it. I also have a C5 Z06 like you. I always wondered if I need to do a clutch job on my 4 post, can I lift the car with jacks while on the lift so the wheels are suspended in the air, then let the drivetrain rest on the 4 post lift?
I think with some creative thinking, anything can be done on the 4 post. I have used the larger jacks to put the car in the air, then use jack stands on the ramps/outer mounting points for the body and have the entire car off the wheels, on the ramps. Lots of variations because the 4post is so stable.
Not so sure about this… I had the rear out of my C5Z to rebuild the transmission using a 2 post lift. I lowered the suspension and sub frame down with a transmission jack, got a buddy to help lift it to the ground, then used the transmission jack to get the transmission out.
I cannot imagine how that job would go on a 4 post lift. About the only way I can see doing it would be to get the rear of the body on stands, lower the sub frame onto the lift rails and then drag it backwards out of the way?
Also, getting the mufflers out of a C5 requires lots of space under the rear. Not sure if that would work on a 4 post or not?
Personally, once the car is in the air I think a 2 post gives by far the most access, but I completely see what you’re saying about safety, and getting the car lifted on a 2 post can be a bit of work. I’ve never used a 4 post or a scissor before though, so it’s just my POV.
I’m building a house right now and I’m going to have a 6” deep section of concrete in the garage under where the lift is going, with 6” wire mesh at half depth just to be safe.
Great review; thank you.
Who makes that four post and do you recommend a brand??? Also what brand Jacks? Thanks great video.
Great review!!
Great video, thank you!
Great info. Do you have any opinion on keeping a 4 post outdoors? I'm thinking I'd put some nylon or rubber blocks underneath to eliminate rusting of the base. Sub'ed, good luck with the channel.
I have definitely seen many outdoors. Definitely depends on the climate, what type of luclbrication and prep you do, to combat weather, but definitely dooable
Thank you! Good Commentary
Appreciate it...just wanted to offer what I could
Great job, covered most every thing ^5
thank you for this
What brands of 4-post lifts do you have confidence in? Most lower cost lifts are not certified by ALI (Automotive Lift Institute), as I'm sure you know.
I'm not here to suggest brands. Bendpak...the end. Most people will end up with a china lift, and I have owned many. Greg Smith equipment sells atlas and propark...they wouldnt sell lifts that are failing out. Also, keep in mind, china has its own certifying processes. In the US or China though, a lift used for certification isnt always the lift you receive...production quality, inspection of your own lift and leaving the lift a margin is important, imo. I have a 9k lb lift, means I am lifting 6500 max on a chinese lift...thats just me.
Great video! It was very helpful. I'm having difficulty finding the tall Jack Stands (tripod) as shown in your video. Can you tell me where you got yours? The brand? What capacity they each can handle? Thank you for keeping it really simple and easy to understand too.
thank you for your video i’m leaning towards the 4 post drive on for safety and ease of installation. I have a quick ? if i wanted to bolt 4 post to garage floor for permeant solution can i, is it possible or recommended
thanks
what brand would you reccommend for 4-post lift? i have a 2-car garage with a low ceiling...
4 post is the modern day Pit. 2 post is still king for most general work. Would always go 2 post if you can only have one.
I wouldnt really characterize that as accurate. A pit doesnt allow sidework to be done and also cant lift the car. 2 posts are good if you're doing major work but the risk factor is way higher for the avg user.
Very good information, this is good food for thought. I currently have a Worth 10 ton 2 post lift. I wanted the center to be open to change exhaust systems, do brakes and just basic oil changes. I am limited by ceiling height, only 10 foot ceiling. I had mine professionally installed and have nice hard thick concrete. I am having a house built in NC with a shop and will be getting a lift so based upon your input I am going to look at 4 posts. Can you guve me a supplier as to where I can find shorter jack stands since I only get the cars up enough to get under them . Thanks.
I sourced the stands from amazon actually. For my lift, I ended up finding a local company who installed lifts, that also sells lifts they bring in. I ended up paying less for my 4 post professionally INSTALLED, than Greg Smith equipment sold the lift for, before tax and shipping, so be sure to shop your local area.
@@KnightDriveTV thank you. 👍
Awesome vid! What do you call those jack stands? Can't seem to find them on amazon.
Search "underhoist support stand" or "tripod high lift"
Excellent video
AIRWOLF 🚁🤣
Haha...its a wild place out here...lol
thanks for the info was very helpful.i was looking at sissor lift.but the 4 post seems the goods. you have scared me away from a 2 post. my roof height is only 2200mm double car garage.moving the car around on the 4 post cross my mind too.
What brand and model is your 4 post lift?
Sorry if this has been answered, I didn't see it looking through the comments.
I would never install a 2 post without first cutting some holes in the slab (probably 2'x4') a foot or so deep as footers.
That's definitely good practice but not all people go that route, that's for sure. Definitely the safest way.
What is the brand of your 4post lift
ive always wanted a 2 post but after using a 4 post i think it would be the way to go. im certain i could find a fairly easy way to snatch the drivetrain out and not have to worry about it falling off, so much faster too like you say. unfortunately i will be on my back getting the drive line out this winter.
I only loved the comment not the pain you will go through...lol.
Oh the fun I will have. I love my car..? Hopefully I don't have to invent any new cus words.
Super awesome video
Good presentation , I'm deciding now , helicopter is funny
Metro Police always flying around the highway...always messin up my videos...lol
I went 4 post.