@@MikeLuke I'll pose the same question to you that I did above: if DAWs like ProTools and Reaper let you use different drum plugins (SD3, SSD, etc) why can’t we have a drum module that just has enough of a DAW in it to let you do the same? Then the hardware and software buying decisions would be distinct (a concept that already exists with computers: for example SD3 will run on either Mac or Windows). I look forward to that future :-)
Dan Mayo Because Software like SD3 or SSD5 are not mainly made for e-drummers but for producers and mixing engineers. And be aware that if you want to use all libraries Toontrack has ever released, you‘d need almost 2TB or storage.
I have mentioned this to Justin before, but the Singular Sound Beat Buddy pedal (a midi file playback drum machine designed for guitarists) is actually a multi-velocity layered, sample player....meaning that you could couple this with your drum brain (maybe route it’s stereo output into your brains input). There is a software editor for the Beat Buddy, allowing you to create numerous velocity layers, assigning samples and defining what midi notes will trigger them. Basically giving you a platform to load Superior Drummer velocity layered samples, into a box, to couple with your drum brain....and the Beat Buddy is relatively inexpensive.
I know the Beatbuddy. So you're saying you first have to process the sounds in the BB and then load them in what form to the module? I'd pay for a tutorial!
@@Kostas-Kantounis Hello, I may have worded my response poorly. The “translation” process, from Superior Drummer (for example) would require you to either: Use your DAW to play each drum at various velocities, export each velocity-sensitive hit as a wav file and then using the BB Editor, import and assign samples via velocity and note. OR….there are 3rd party software sample editor/creators like MainStage and Sample Robot, that can automate some of this. You would still need to recreate the “kit” in the BB Editor. (Ps: forget about generating samples in Akai’s free version of MPC…only 4 velocity layers are supported).
Back in the day, Ddrum got around the machine-gunning phenomena with only having 2 samples (soft hit and hard hit) by applying ramdom changes to the harmonics. It was really effective too. I can't remember how they used to call it, but if you sent a snare drum roll via midi at say 88 velocity over 16th notes, you'd hear each one of them sounds changed every single time, but it was actually the same sample.
We developed a product SmartWAV2 + MIDI Adapter: czcams.com/video/-KijK7Q9H9I/video.html that solves the importing of sounds with multi-layer (not only single shot) support, this can be used to import VST drum kits(samples), and it works with any drum module with MIDI out, TD-11 with this is exactly what you need!
Big thankyou Justin for this video from a TD11 user, it changed my E kit for the better. I have now purchased a 2Box drumit 5 module Mk 1 and have a card extension conversion with a 64 GB card loaded with SD3, GGD, EZ Drummer, Addictive Drummer and free SS5, Drummica, 2Box samples. On the snare I'am using 2 different edge triggers mounted @ 11 o'clock (Quartz 35mm cone trigger with full delay) and @ 1 o'clock an Extreme Drums trigger (this trigger is tuned up 0.1 and quieter with a short delay from 1.5 - 3.5) into the 2Box module and a smaller 27mm Quartz Percussion center mounted cone trigger (with a high threshold) plugged into my TD11 that adds dry Roland sounds. Hitting the mesh snare head at different dynamics triggers 3 different layers of sound, like hitting a power center head. With a guitar ABY pedal I plug the kick into both the TD11 & 2Box modules. Only the snare & kick are connected to the TD11. Different TD11 kits will change the tuning, tone, snare buzz, ring and kick fattness of the combined drum sound. The 2Box output is plugged into the TD11 aux input, I can still use the coach functions. In my opinion Rolands digital USB hi-hat & ride cymbals are the best, but to my ears 2Box sounds are superior and you can import any VST and import your own multilayered samples. I love the 2Box module it has open natural sound the cymbals and toms are so real and the snare and kick does benefit from layering the fat tight attack Roland snare & kick sound. Amazing sounding E kit!
From a old school Edrummer Raise the pitch on the sample you are importing. Then pitch down on the module..it can take up a lot Less ram. A octave up can make a huge difference. Experiment that is the fun of it .
John Krummrich What a great suggestion! I never thought of doing that... especially the samples that don’t really need a lot of high end, like toms and kick aren’t going to suffer too much.
bucknaked31 reverb tails work great also In SD3 you can get rid of the attack and just use the room sound with some of the sound of the drum to stack in a sound in a module
On the spot, Justin! Perfectly explained. Now people might understand why some libraries of Superior Drummer have 100-200 GB of samples included. A snare sample might even be the easiest one to explain and understand, but now think of the complexity capturing or recording crash, HiHat or ride cymbals.
I think it's because of all the room mics to be honest. The base program isn't too bad, but the more parts of the program you download, the larger the file sizes get.
What has been astonishing to me is that I haven't been able to load a kit from my TD25 to my TD27, I get error messages trying by different ways. They are both Roland!!
Very cool. I also didn't know that is what a round robin sample was. I just assumed it was a long sample that would seamlessly repeat without a noticeable end, that was also fairly long.
Edit: 1. In the list it should have said 2Box Drumit 5 MKII (not 2Box Drumit 2 MKII) 2. The sound coloring effect of 2Box modules onto samples is only a problem on the original 2Box Drummit 5. The Drummit 5 MKII and the Drummit 3 do not have this issue because they have different internals. 3. I did not go in depth on the mic source problem when importing sample libraries. For example Superior Drummer 3 has over 100GB of sample from different mic sources (room mics, overhead, on the drum, ect). You have full control over how loud each mic is that in the software, but I believe when you import samples into your module, you'll have to pick what mic you want the sample from, and are then stuck with it. So you are limited VS just triggering from the main program over MIDI.
Hi Justin , 2BOX DRUMIT 5 mk2 and DRUMIT 3 dont have the "different sounding problem" anymore ... also 2BOX modules can import multilayered samples up to 100 layers ... have a nice day ;)
@@stephaneparage2530 Also, 2Box have designed their module so that you have to create samples 'offline' then import the finished WAV files. You can record any number of hits up to the max (128?) of a drum then drag & drop those WAV files into a single 2Box drum sound file on a PC/Mac. You then copy the finished sound to the module. That way you get a finely graded set of soft to loud sounds when you play. Warning: the earlier 2 modules have very little memory space when you buy them - you might need to delete files in order to add more. The recent Mk 11 should solve that problem.
Hi, You are wrong about dtx700 module, I can assign up to 4 layer samples. Stack mode allows you to make all 4 samples sound at a same time, you can also alocate each samples in different velocity range and different midi notes. Alternate mode allows you to have round robin samples triggered on each stroke. On newest dtx pro modules you can alocate up to 10 layer samples per pad zone. But both dtx700 and dtx pro modules only have 64mb flash memory capacity for you to import the samples :(
@65 Drums Hi. Deve here. Developer of the DrumIt. The only reason why the original DI5 might color the sound was over the headphones output because of a series resistance to accomodate lo and hi impedance phones. And that in turn affected freq response on phones with more or less reactance. The line outs are perfectly flat. Test with a track ripped from a cd. Cheers, Deve. Ps. Somebody also mentioned this earlier in the thread. Thanks.
Hey Deve, thanks I updated my top pinned comment to reflect that info the other day. I realize it's only an issue for the original drummit 5 and does not effect the new modules. Keep up the great work over there at 2box :)
@AtTheSourceStudios is the new channel name for Siren Drums FYI. Older video. I was trying to find it via Siren Drums and this came up. One of the descriptions mentioned the name change.
One layer samples might sound unnatural on a ride or snare, but if importing something like a stack, cowbell, or woodblock, where sounds are very static and consistent, I think it could sound pretty good.
The Nord Drum is a virtual analog drum synthesizer that doesn't use samples. There's far more flexibility and tonal shaping than a sample pad. Some may argue that it also sounds better as a result.
Excellent run through. I left a comment on an earlier video complaining about these limitations with the Alesis Command. Some points I still stand by (no software updates), but I assumed these limitations meant there was no velocity with imported samples. I intend to finally make the time to wrangle with the mutha this week. Junkyard muffler here’s your time to shine🎉.
Justin I thought this may have been a good opportunity to talk about the sound upgrade options from the likes of Drum-Tec, loaded via the SD CARD, it would be good to see a video on your thoughts regarding the value in this option, the pros and cons etc👍
This is great info, Justin. Thank you. FYI, the Yamaha DTX Multi12 allows up to 4 layers per drum. Each sample can be a maximum of 4MB and 16bit 44.1khz. Oddly the Multi12 only allows a total of 64MB of samples. The samples can either be round robin or velocity layered but not both. I'm having some limited success loading some SSD5 drums into a user-kit. It sounds better with the plugin, but I'd rather not have to bring a laptop and audio-interface to practice. Doing that would mean shelling out another $400 or more for rack hardware to mount everything...
Concerning modules capable of round robbins, there’s different ways to achieve it : having multiple samples for each dynamic step (I think Mimic Pro does that) or slightly raising the pitch higher or lower, or maybe other ways. For instance the 2Box modules use the closest samples in the dynamic range of the stroke you’re playing and alternate them randomly, so even if you import your own multi-layered sounds it will (theoretically) never produce machine-gun type of effect.
note a yamaha multi 12 sample pad can use up to 4 layers per pad..however you ARE restricted on sample size as the unit only has 64mb for all of imported samples
amazing! , thanks Justin. for starting my journey to the BEST possible drumkit i can create on my TD27! - i could not have found this video at a better time before i take myself into all kinds of inefficient trouble ;-) - i will call you JustinTime now :-)
And to clear one more thing up Justin you are allowed to burn a copy of a dvd or rip a sample but by in large for personal use only it’s only when your turning a profit that this can become an issue such as bootlegging /pirating the actual media itself
"Title 17 of the United States Code says that it is illegal to reproduce a copyrighted work. If a DVD comes with a box or has a label on it indicating a copyright, then it is technically illegal to make any copies of it for any reason. Many people wonder if it is legal to rip a copy of a DVD for personal use. It is illegal in a technical sense. However, most government agencies do not focus on what people do offline at home for their own personal use. The government's main concern is people who redistribute copies of copyrighted works"
Oh ok ty Justin I had a buddy that used to burn his movies he bought so he wouldn’t mess up his originals he told me it was legal because he was not selling them thanks for straightening me out lol
It will be a great day when we can get a universal format, think SF2 or similar, for modules. Imagine. I buy a drum plugin like Kvlt Drums and download the edrum database/sample lib and just load it on the module. No having to rip samples or anything. They'd have to specify a few things to make the format standard across a bunch of drum libs but I really hope that happens. The ultimate experience for me will be bringing a edrum kit and this fancy module, plugging everything in and having all my presets usually in a VST plugin directly on the module with no craziness. Just twiddle some dials and track a song with real performance and life, rather than me editing MIDI. Great vid btw, as always.
The Soundfont format was criminally under-supported. It was the key to my being able to play live electronica sets in which I could switch between the widest variety of kits on the fly.
I've long looked forward to the day when the hardware (module) and software (sound library) buying decisions are 2 separate matters. My question is: if DAWs like ProTools and Reaper let you use different drum plugins (SD3, SSD, etc) why can’t we have a drum module that just has enough of a DAW in it to let you do the same? Am I missing something?
The issue with that is not all modules use samples only. At least I suspect Roland uses some kind of synthesis in addition to samples to make the sounds feel more live and to allow all the editing options like abnormal shell sizes, muffling etc. It just wouldn't be possible with sampling only since you would have to put terabytes of sample data into the drum module the price of TD-17. In that regard it's pretty impossible to specify a universal soundfont like format.
@@mikosoft I’m still learning about all this stuff, so please check my thinking … In terms of a universal format, hasn’t that problem already been solved? After all, aren’t plugins like SD3 and SSD already runnable by several different DAW’s, by virtue of their support for formats like VST and AAX? Regarding your comment about Roland modules, the conventional wisdom is that they probably are using some combination of samples and digital signal processing/synthesis. However, that's not the problem space I’m referring to. From what I’m seeing, many e-drummers (even owners of high-end Roland modules) are opting for drum software like SD3, SSD, etc. precisely because they don't want those synthesized sounds, relegating their modules to work as pure analog->midi interfaces. What do they then have to do? Well, they’ll need a laptop running some kind of DAW (with the mentioned programs supplying their own) and many additionally opt for an audio interface to minimize latency. Then they have to get all that working in unison. In contrast, when I look at the Pearl Mimic Pro I see (effectively) a dedicated computer with a touchscreen, and all the stuff I mentioned integrated into the hardware. It’s like it’s running a DAW that hosts Steven Slate Drums. What if we could generalize that concept to something that was running a built-in DAW, into which you could load whatever drum VST you desire? That’s what I’m referring to. For the people that don’t want Roland’s sounds, prefer those of drum VSTs, and want the convenience and reliability of an integrated hardware bundle.
@@danmayo9182 Well first of my response was to the original poster who asked for a sample based universal format. Since we've already moved from pure sample based libraries it doesn't make any sense nowadays. Now towards your question (I actually already had a long reply written down when something happened and I lost it all). Plugins are not a "format" in the sense that they only hold the samples. Plugins are a full fledged executables (like the DAW itself), the difference is they don't run themselves but the host application (like DAW) interfaces with them via a standardised API It's like when you ask your mom: "Can you make me an apple pie?" and she says, of course and two hour later you have a nice apple pie. Ask me the same thing and I'll go: "No idea how to do that, dude". In this case both your mam and me are plugins, you are the host application, the words are the API by which we communicate and apple pie is the output. Your mom is a plugin that can make apple pies and I am a plugin that can (hopefully) explain technical stuff. Such a plugin needs a processor capable of running it. And here is at least in my opinion the problem (please bear in mind this is not researched, it's more like an educated guess). The processors in PCs are so called universal processors, their instruction set is devised so they can perform a lot of very different tasks such as audio processing, word processing, games, business aplications, you name it. Although all the processing is pretty much maths every software uses different types of algorithms and universal processor needs to be capable to run all of those. For that reason universal processors are not really good at any of those tasks, but they are capable of running them, just not very efficiently. Now other class of processors are specialised processors. Those are designed to do a very narrow specialised set of tasks. In case of drum modules I'm pretty sure they all run some kind of DSP (digital signal processor) that can run circles around universal processors when running audio engine but fails at anything else. By that virtue you can't really load a plugin made for universal processor onto a DSP. Even Mimic is running a specific version of SSD which I strongly suspect it's for that very same reason - it's heavily modified to run on the DSP that's inside it. So now last thing, why use specialised processors and not universal ones in drum modules? Well because universal processors 1. are more expensive 2. are less efficient (both speed and power wise) 3. are unnecessarily complicated for this specific type of application (more complication = less reliable) 4. require way more code to run than specific processors (more code = more memory = higher cost). Also, there's one more little but possibly showstopping detail - pretty much any commercial plugin requires some kind of licensing software or hardware. It's impossible to include provision for every type of such licensing method (there's USB dongles, software licensing plugins, online licensing) without going ridiculously overboard with the cost of the module. At that point you would be looking at a standalone PC with some kind of trigger interface which alone would probably cost at least $800+ but would have to be specifically tuned to allow for lightning fast latency so probably double that price for R&D costs. I know Mimic is even more expensive but that is probably also due to licensing and branding costs so you can put that in perspective as well.
I think it's not that complicated to just have your computer sitting next to your drum set. Even if you could import full libraries easily, I'd still use the software. It's just more convenient for editing in all sorts of ways, especially in superior drummer
Personally, i just want good sounds for practising. Im looking for an decent module instead of having to buy a new laptop + drum software just for rehearsing with my band.
Sometimes the latency is what kills it. Spending 1k on a pc that can handle the plug-in with minimum latency, after spending 500-2k on an ekit is not always realistic.
Another issue... Some things happen with licensing that become a pain. BFD3 was bought by InMusic, and at first they placed this crazy scheme on the license manager that required the computer to always be online for the licensing to work. That had never been needed, and made customers extremely angry. After much furor, they walked it further and further back, with the current requirement of online once every 90 days. It's much more reasonable but people were furious, and something like import to a 2box module escapes this issue for personal use, at least for just running a kit that you're already satisfied with. Also I think the 2box software can be used to manipulate some things, as well as the module of course, with other parameters requiring either use of the VST as normal, or temporary use of it to make the changes, and then re-export. It's also nice to not have to boot up an OS just to sit down and play, but sure sometimes it's not much difference.
Might an alternative be loading VSTs directly into a hardware VST unit such as a VMachine or Muse Receptor, then accessing them via your drum module's MIDI out? That said, the VMachine (still findable on eBay) is notoriously buggy and may be more trouble than it's worth, but I do own one so I'll give that a go at some point. The Muse unit is beyond my justifiable budget, but if you happen to have one... Just a thought!
I liked the info shared and happy to know my DTX 502 is in the little list on the right. I’m needing to know a little better explanation just how do I put the sample in once I download it.. maybe I’m too easily rattled.. do I need sft ware for the operation? I can’t find a CZcams on it.. Yamaha’s forum is too hard to post because of the lost “Captcha field” problem. Thanks again
the storage space in itself is not an issue, the ram on the sound processors is, there's not really a lot to choose from when you're designing a drum module which have enough ram to be as versatile as you want, that's the main reason why this technology hasn't progressed futher yet.
I have a laptop with 64 GB of ram. I realize it's not exactly the same thing but still. I think these drum companies need to get their act together to be honest. Most modules are running off of incredibly low power and low storage space hardware. And they all cost $1000-2000
@65 Drums - wrong. We're talking about SoC hardware made specifically for sound processing, and if you want to design something robust and compact but also cheap while not compromising sound quality there aren't really many options to choose from which have a lot of RAM. This is not a PC. It's a SoC which has its entire OS embedded in the chip itself. No kernel, no drivers, there's just a bootloader which runs the embedded code. That's why it turns on right away, doesn't glitch (at least it shouldn't if it's programmed right) and always does what it's supposed to, without crashing.
@@jurematoh I understand system on a chip is a different beast than a common laptop Jure. I'm sure you're much more knowledgeable than me about the inner workings of modules. I'm just looking at the results. Drum modules are not cheap, 99% of them heavily compromise on sound quality. The keyboard industry seems to be way farther ahead of the edrum industry. Far better sounds, they have more advanced interfaces, and are cheaper than electronic drums. The possibilities are out there, I just want to see it happen some day under the price of a car.
Great video. I would go further with this and investigate the possibility of using samplers as sound source for edrums. Akai mpc live and one have the option to load multiple samples into one program with 4 layers and round robin feature. All can be triggered via midi. I don't own any but it would be interesting to know if it's possible. I believe there are sample packs of acoustic drums made for mpc so the copyright thing would not be an issue.
Can I transfer user kicks, snares, and Toms that I created on an Alesis DM10 MKII to an Alesis Strike? No cymbals, hihats, perc, or EFX...just snare, kick, and Toms. Thanks.
So, I like the idea to use export sounds from SD3 to the module, I heard that the Roland modules are better than 2box if you are using triggers, cause the lag and sensitivity, but the 2box have better sound. If I want to turn electronic my acustic kit, what would be a better choice? 2box Three or Roland td 27? I want to go full triggers, even on the cymbals (I dont want to buy an electronic kit cause the size of the toms) can someone with experience give me a little advice please? :D
Hi i am using sdce to import to alesis stike module. I saw one instructions from ez drummer it shows velocity suggestions for ez drummer, do you have a suggestion when velocity when samples are coming from addictive drums and supperiod drummer thank you
An idea for the VST-developers would be to maybe partner up with Roland, Yamaha or one of the other drum module companies to create some form of hybrid between a computer and a drum module that could be sold with VST-drums and possibilities to purchase new packs of sounds... It should be possible with today’s hardware standards... or is it a long shot?
Hi Justin, I have an ead10 and a hybrid kit. In a vst can I create a multilayered sample, export it to say a thumb drive and the import it into the Ead10 as a user sample?
*shows picture of dm10 module at beginning which is same as mine. *I get excited because that implies I can load new sounds on my module. *proceeds to show list without dm10 supported
Good information. My big takeaway, unless I want to spend 1 - 3 thousand on a new set up one of the info applies to me. I guess that is the one thing I don't like about e-drums. When I built my acoustic set I got the best pieces I could afford and with very few exceptions it is the same kit it was 12 years ago. On the other hand the Yamaha DTXtreem I bought 15 years ago is just stuck [n 2005 abilities. And the TD 20 modal I got when we retired it to upgrade to a Mimic at church is no better.
I hear you. Unfortunately that seems to be part and parcel of owning electronics nowadays. If you get 3 years out of a phone, you’re sitting pretty. Computers have a useful life of about 3-5 years. While the hardware may still be in fine shape, OS and app updates start to render them unusable. At least with drum modules (being the closed systems that they are) they don’t change underneath you so they can remain usable for many more years (though our ears come to expect more). I would say that the saving grace is that trigger technology is only now just starting to evolve, so the piezo-based triggers from 15 years ago should still work just fine with today’s modules.
Justin: So, if I get an Alesis Command Module for my Alesis Surge kit to allow the download of samples, would the fact that I could only get single layered (dual?) sounds, still produce significantly better 'sounds' than the Surge Module?
I would happily give up 95% of the preset kits that come with any given drum module in exchange for 3 - 5 great sounding kits with plenty of sample variety within each different sound. I don’t need a library of 50-100 different drum kits in a module. I’d be so much happier with a handful of solid kits with some depth and layers to each sound. I think this is why so many people end up using ezdrummer or superior drummer. They put together a couple of kits they like and just stick with those. How many people are actually using all of the goofy sounding novelty kits that seem to come loaded onto every consumer drum module? It’s like they’re just padding their stats so that they can advertise the fact that the module has 70 different drum kits to choose from. If they would just listen to their customers a bit more, I’m sure they’d find that most people would prefer to have a smaller number of high quality sounds rather than a massive library of garbage they’ll never use. E-drum manufacturers should see it as a major problem that so many people are trying to find a way to replace all of the sounds in their modules. That’s a pretty good sign that these modules are loaded with crap that people don’t like.
Not sure this was actually addressed in the video (and if it was and it just simply flew over my head, I apologize) ... but given that the Pearl Mimic gets it's sample library from Steven Slate Drums (SSD) . . . CONCEIVABLY . . . could one have a Roland TD 50 as a primary module and import/trigger samples from SSD on a laptop - thereby kind of having the "best of both worlds" (i.e. a kind of TD-50/Mimic hybrid) ??? Or would it simply be better to use certain "preferred" samples for certain surfaces (drums/cymbals) from the TD-50 and some from a laptop with SSD? (If this question is way out there or just plain stupid ... again, I apologize.)
Thanx for a very informative video. I have a question that keeps me from choosing a set to buy for gigging: if you have access to the Alesis DM10 MKII Pro module, when you load a sample (actually 2 samples ready to load) it will ask at which velocity you would like to split it -> "The velocity point separates Layer A and Layer B". But can you please tell me if there is a layer fade option, just like on the TD17? or just above that velocity point, it jumps to the second sample. I know the td17 has this fading option between the layers of the sample so it transitions smoother from ghost notes to harder hits, but does the DM10 MKII Pro module do this too? Please, i can't find this information anywhere on the web. Thank you!
Hello Justin! i have an old ALESIS DM 10 module...can i upload another drumsoftware? if there no enough space i want only 4-5 drumsets ...please recomand me the right software for my ALESIS dm 10 module...thank s!
Interesting stuff. Is there software for pc that can do same things like the multi-layering and anti-machine gunning effect? Looking to use my ekit with MIDI to a pc.
Which kits would you recommend as a MIDI controller for triggering say SD3 for example? Atm I have a Roland HD1, but it was just to start up with and the triggering on the snare isn't great. Also: I love the formfactor of the HD1. Would I experience a performance jump if I bought a new brain but used the same pads?
Ddrum ddti or alesis triggering theyre the same unit. Just dif branding i believe. I just picked up the ddrum used. They seem to be out of stock everywhere .
Hey Justin, I hace a very simple module (Behringer) but I always use SD3. If my module is very simple but I play through very good software, do I get the ABC random hits you talked about?
Justin you are not looking at this like a Computer. Which is exactly what a drum module is. Each Brain for Roland has input technology. I have the TD-11 Brain(Module). Let's look at this like a computer with USB Input. The Computer (Module) has limited capacity. Limited functions and certain amount of file access. So. The Td- 11 Has user parameters and updated td-30 sounds. From Roland via USB. Think of your little module as an "I pad" that can be changed with certain parameters. Now Midi... Your module is MIDI Capable for triggers. 1 - 256 as per each bit and 10 Channels. 256 notes over 10 different instruments.
Hi friends, check out the next: czcams.com/video/-KijK7Q9H9I/video.html, this is a little MIDI hardware box capable of import/ load drum samples with multi-layer velocity support (not single-shot), it adds pro functionality to any low or medium end module to be similar in capabilities to a high-end drum module, but without the high cost!
Portability, mainly. Or at least, would be for me. At home i don't mind beign wired to a pc, but if a wanna gig outside i have to bring all the stuffs with me, and if there's not much space you simply can't.
The legal part of this thing is so weird to me. Stealing samples I have paid for. Whilst the software folks steal the sounds of drums that were only made possible due to Drum and microphone and even preamp manufacturers. Sampling basically stealing physical sounds and then telling people who bought the library that they are not allowed to use the samples as they see fit.
If I wanted to be 100% accurate, I would have to title it: "Can You Import Multi-Layered Round Robin Sample Libraries From Drum Software Such As Superior Drummer 3 Into A Drum Module?" That would have precisely explained what this video was about. But on CZcams that title wouldn't work. Because this is an educational video aimed at edrum novices, that title would have been confusing to it's intended audience. So I compromised and choose a tile that made the most sense without scaring away people new to electronic drums. If this video was only about one shot drum samples, I would have been able to use your title.
Sorry, i disagree. Samples are samples, not depending on there quantity and number of layers. But the title claimed "software" to be the topic, which was not even mentioned.
@@daskasspatzle2396 Ok so I changed the tile to "Sample Libraries" instead of "Software". Because I still need to get across that this video is about a series of samples, not just one sample. It would be to vague to call this video "how to put samples into your drum module"
hello! I have a roland td1kpx2 and I was wondering if it's possible to put a different module on it? The one that comes with it is very basic. Thanks! :)
If Toontrack made a module that you could load their libraries in they’d make a killing on it.
Brian Akins Or if a company joins forces with Toontrack to build a module that has their samples already included.
Mike Luke Yes, exactly.
They do... it’s called a laptop! ;)
@@MikeLuke I'll pose the same question to you that I did above: if DAWs like ProTools and Reaper let you use different drum plugins (SD3, SSD, etc) why can’t we have a drum module that just has enough of a DAW in it to let you do the same? Then the hardware and software buying decisions would be distinct (a concept that already exists with computers: for example SD3 will run on either Mac or Windows). I look forward to that future :-)
Dan Mayo Because Software like SD3 or SSD5 are not mainly made for e-drummers but for producers and mixing engineers. And be aware that if you want to use all libraries Toontrack has ever released, you‘d need almost 2TB or storage.
I have mentioned this to Justin before, but the Singular Sound Beat Buddy pedal (a midi file playback drum machine designed for guitarists) is actually a multi-velocity layered, sample player....meaning that you could couple this with your drum brain (maybe route it’s stereo output into your brains input). There is a software editor for the Beat Buddy, allowing you to create numerous velocity layers, assigning samples and defining what midi notes will trigger them. Basically giving you a platform to load Superior Drummer velocity layered samples, into a box, to couple with your drum brain....and the Beat Buddy is relatively inexpensive.
I know the Beatbuddy. So you're saying you first have to process the sounds in the BB and then load them in what form to the module? I'd pay for a tutorial!
@@Kostas-Kantounis Hello, I may have worded my response poorly. The “translation” process, from Superior Drummer (for example) would require you to either: Use your DAW to play each drum at various velocities, export each velocity-sensitive hit as a wav file and then using the BB Editor, import and assign samples via velocity and note. OR….there are 3rd party software sample editor/creators like MainStage and Sample Robot, that can automate some of this. You would still need to recreate the “kit” in the BB Editor. (Ps: forget about generating samples in Akai’s free version of MPC…only 4 velocity layers are supported).
Back in the day, Ddrum got around the machine-gunning phenomena with only having 2 samples (soft hit and hard hit) by applying ramdom changes to the harmonics. It was really effective too. I can't remember how they used to call it, but if you sent a snare drum roll via midi at say 88 velocity over 16th notes, you'd hear each one of them sounds changed every single time, but it was actually the same sample.
Ddrums in the 80s early 90s were the best drums out there what made him sound so good a man with a compete with anything today
I have a Roland td11. I really like the sounds from superior drummer. Is there any way I can import them into my module?
joeyjoejoe shabadoo In the Td11 i know, there’s’ no way to import samples...
We developed a product SmartWAV2 + MIDI Adapter: czcams.com/video/-KijK7Q9H9I/video.html that solves the importing of sounds with multi-layer (not only single shot) support, this can be used to import VST drum kits(samples), and it works with any drum module with MIDI out, TD-11 with this is exactly what you need!
Big thankyou Justin for this video from a TD11 user, it changed my E kit for the better. I have now purchased a 2Box drumit 5 module Mk 1 and have a card extension conversion with a 64 GB card loaded with SD3, GGD, EZ Drummer, Addictive Drummer and free SS5, Drummica, 2Box samples.
On the snare I'am using 2 different edge triggers mounted @ 11 o'clock (Quartz 35mm cone trigger with full delay) and @ 1 o'clock an Extreme Drums trigger (this trigger is tuned up 0.1 and quieter with a short delay from 1.5 - 3.5) into the 2Box module and a smaller 27mm Quartz Percussion center mounted cone trigger (with a high threshold) plugged into my TD11 that adds dry Roland sounds. Hitting the mesh snare head at different dynamics triggers 3 different layers of sound, like hitting a power center head.
With a guitar ABY pedal I plug the kick into both the TD11 & 2Box modules. Only the snare & kick are connected to the TD11. Different TD11 kits will change the tuning, tone, snare buzz, ring and kick fattness of the combined drum sound. The 2Box output is plugged into the TD11 aux input, I can still use the coach functions.
In my opinion Rolands digital USB hi-hat & ride cymbals are the best, but to my ears 2Box sounds are superior and you can import any VST and import your own multilayered samples.
I love the 2Box module it has open natural sound the cymbals and toms are so real and the snare and kick does benefit from layering the fat tight attack Roland snare & kick sound. Amazing sounding E kit!
Wish the drum companies would offer/allow their libraries/samples to be copied to USB sticks and smart cards.
From a old school Edrummer
Raise the pitch on the sample you are importing.
Then pitch down on the module..it can take up a lot Less ram. A octave up can make a huge difference.
Experiment that is the fun of it .
John Krummrich What a great suggestion! I never thought of doing that... especially the samples that don’t really need a lot of high end, like toms and kick aren’t going to suffer too much.
bucknaked31 reverb tails work great also
In SD3 you can get rid of the attack and just use the room sound with some of the sound of the drum to stack in a sound in a module
On the spot, Justin! Perfectly explained.
Now people might understand why some libraries of Superior Drummer have 100-200 GB of samples included. A snare sample might even be the easiest one to explain and understand, but now think of the complexity capturing or recording crash, HiHat or ride cymbals.
I think it's because of all the room mics to be honest. The base program isn't too bad, but the more parts of the program you download, the larger the file sizes get.
65 Drums Agreed.
What has been astonishing to me is that I haven't been able to load a kit from my TD25 to my TD27, I get error messages trying by different ways. They are both Roland!!
Very cool. I also didn't know that is what a round robin sample was. I just assumed it was a long sample that would seamlessly repeat without a noticeable end, that was also fairly long.
Edit:
1. In the list it should have said 2Box Drumit 5 MKII (not 2Box Drumit 2 MKII)
2. The sound coloring effect of 2Box modules onto samples is only a problem on the original 2Box Drummit 5. The Drummit 5 MKII and the Drummit 3 do not have this issue because they have different internals.
3. I did not go in depth on the mic source problem when importing sample libraries. For example Superior Drummer 3 has over 100GB of sample from different mic sources (room mics, overhead, on the drum, ect). You have full control over how loud each mic is that in the software, but I believe when you import samples into your module, you'll have to pick what mic you want the sample from, and are then stuck with it. So you are limited VS just triggering from the main program over MIDI.
Hi Justin , 2BOX DRUMIT 5 mk2 and DRUMIT 3 dont have the "different sounding problem" anymore ... also 2BOX modules can import multilayered samples up to 100 layers ... have a nice day ;)
@@stephaneparage2530 Thanks Stephane, I just updated the pinned comment to reflect the info
@@stephaneparage2530 Also, 2Box have designed their module so that you have to create samples 'offline' then import the finished WAV files. You can record any number of hits up to the max (128?) of a drum then drag & drop those WAV files into a single 2Box drum sound file on a PC/Mac. You then copy the finished sound to the module. That way you get a finely graded set of soft to loud sounds when you play. Warning: the earlier 2 modules have very little memory space when you buy them - you might need to delete files in order to add more. The recent Mk 11 should solve that problem.
Hi, You are wrong about dtx700 module, I can assign up to 4 layer samples. Stack mode allows you to make all 4 samples sound at a same time, you can also alocate each samples in different velocity range and different midi notes. Alternate mode allows you to have round robin samples triggered on each stroke. On newest dtx pro modules you can alocate up to 10 layer samples per pad zone. But both dtx700 and dtx pro modules only have 64mb flash memory capacity for you to import the samples :(
@65 Drums Hi.
Deve here. Developer of the DrumIt. The only reason why the original DI5 might color the sound was over the headphones output because of a series resistance to accomodate lo and hi impedance phones. And that in turn affected freq response on phones with more or less reactance.
The line outs are perfectly flat. Test with a track ripped from a cd.
Cheers, Deve.
Ps. Somebody also mentioned this earlier in the thread. Thanks.
Hey Deve, thanks I updated my top pinned comment to reflect that info the other day. I realize it's only an issue for the original drummit 5 and does not effect the new modules. Keep up the great work over there at 2box :)
Hi Justin.
Thanks. As said, its only on the phones out with reactive load.
Also, not involved with DrumIt since the 5.
Cheers.
I knew all this, but nice for you to validate it.
Good stuff! I love seeing & hearing what the pros & cons are of going different routes with electric kits(and I’m not a drummer)
@AtTheSourceStudios is the new channel name for Siren Drums FYI. Older video. I was trying to find it via Siren Drums and this came up. One of the descriptions mentioned the name change.
One layer samples might sound unnatural on a ride or snare, but if importing something like a stack, cowbell, or woodblock, where sounds are very static and consistent, I think it could sound pretty good.
This is such a comprehensive video that still gets to the point and gives you extra useful pointers, amazing!
The Nord Drum is a virtual analog drum synthesizer that doesn't use samples.
There's far more flexibility and tonal shaping than a sample pad. Some may argue that it also sounds better as a result.
Not better, just different. Different tools for different needs
Excellent run through. I left a comment on an earlier video complaining about these limitations with the Alesis Command. Some points I still stand by (no software updates), but I assumed these limitations meant there was no velocity with imported samples. I intend to finally make the time to wrangle with the mutha this week. Junkyard muffler here’s your time to shine🎉.
Justin I thought this may have been a good opportunity to talk about the sound upgrade options from the likes of Drum-Tec, loaded via the SD CARD, it would be good to see a video on your thoughts regarding the value in this option, the pros and cons etc👍
This is great info, Justin. Thank you. FYI, the Yamaha DTX Multi12 allows up to 4 layers per drum. Each sample can be a maximum of 4MB and 16bit 44.1khz. Oddly the Multi12 only allows a total of 64MB of samples. The samples can either be round robin or velocity layered but not both. I'm having some limited success loading some SSD5 drums into a user-kit. It sounds better with the plugin, but I'd rather not have to bring a laptop and audio-interface to practice. Doing that would mean shelling out another $400 or more for rack hardware to mount everything...
Great shout addressing this, I've seen it time and time again in your comments or on Facebook groups!
Thanks! I don't know why I hadn't already made this video years ago to be honest
Can you do the same Siren Drums trick with Alesis Strike Multipad? this was a great video!
If you haven't already, you should do a vid where you explain in detail how to connect to a computer and run the samples off the software instead.
Concerning modules capable of round robbins, there’s different ways to achieve it : having multiple samples for each dynamic step (I think Mimic Pro does that) or slightly raising the pitch higher or lower, or maybe other ways. For instance the 2Box modules use the closest samples in the dynamic range of the stroke you’re playing and alternate them randomly, so even if you import your own multi-layered sounds it will (theoretically) never produce machine-gun type of effect.
note a yamaha multi 12 sample pad can use up to 4 layers per pad..however you ARE restricted on sample size as the unit only has 64mb for all of imported samples
All I want is preset kits based on the kits used in my favourite rock tracks.
200MB is the Alesis Strike drum set total file size limit. I wish it was more...
amazing! , thanks Justin. for starting my journey to the BEST possible drumkit i can create on my TD27! - i could not have found this video at a better time before i take myself into all kinds of inefficient trouble ;-) - i will call you JustinTime now :-)
Awesome video Professor Justin. Learned alot today.
And to clear one more thing up Justin you are allowed to burn a copy of a dvd or rip a sample but by in large for personal use only it’s only when your turning a profit that this can become an issue such as bootlegging /pirating the actual media itself
"Title 17 of the United States Code says that it is illegal to reproduce a copyrighted work. If a DVD comes with a box or has a label on it indicating a copyright, then it is technically illegal to make any copies of it for any reason.
Many people wonder if it is legal to rip a copy of a DVD for personal use. It is illegal in a technical sense. However, most government agencies do not focus on what people do offline at home for their own personal use. The government's main concern is people who redistribute copies of copyrighted works"
Oh ok ty Justin I had a buddy that used to burn his movies he bought so he wouldn’t mess up his originals he told me it was legal because he was not selling them thanks for straightening me out lol
Excellent video. You really have a good grip on sampling and you explained it so well.
It will be a great day when we can get a universal format, think SF2 or similar, for modules. Imagine. I buy a drum plugin like Kvlt Drums and download the edrum database/sample lib and just load it on the module. No having to rip samples or anything. They'd have to specify a few things to make the format standard across a bunch of drum libs but I really hope that happens.
The ultimate experience for me will be bringing a edrum kit and this fancy module, plugging everything in and having all my presets usually in a VST plugin directly on the module with no craziness. Just twiddle some dials and track a song with real performance and life, rather than me editing MIDI.
Great vid btw, as always.
The Soundfont format was criminally under-supported. It was the key to my being able to play live electronica sets in which I could switch between the widest variety of kits on the fly.
I've long looked forward to the day when the hardware (module) and software (sound library) buying decisions are 2 separate matters. My question is: if DAWs like ProTools and Reaper let you use different drum plugins (SD3, SSD, etc) why can’t we have a drum module that just has enough of a DAW in it to let you do the same? Am I missing something?
The issue with that is not all modules use samples only. At least I suspect Roland uses some kind of synthesis in addition to samples to make the sounds feel more live and to allow all the editing options like abnormal shell sizes, muffling etc. It just wouldn't be possible with sampling only since you would have to put terabytes of sample data into the drum module the price of TD-17. In that regard it's pretty impossible to specify a universal soundfont like format.
@@mikosoft I’m still learning about all this stuff, so please check my thinking …
In terms of a universal format, hasn’t that problem already been solved? After all, aren’t plugins like SD3 and SSD already runnable by several different DAW’s, by virtue of their support for formats like VST and AAX?
Regarding your comment about Roland modules, the conventional wisdom is that they probably are using some combination of samples and digital signal processing/synthesis. However, that's not the problem space I’m referring to. From what I’m seeing, many e-drummers (even owners of high-end Roland modules) are opting for drum software like SD3, SSD, etc. precisely because they don't want those synthesized sounds, relegating their modules to work as pure analog->midi interfaces. What do they then have to do? Well, they’ll need a laptop running some kind of DAW (with the mentioned programs supplying their own) and many additionally opt for an audio interface to minimize latency. Then they have to get all that working in unison.
In contrast, when I look at the Pearl Mimic Pro I see (effectively) a dedicated computer with a touchscreen, and all the stuff I mentioned integrated into the hardware. It’s like it’s running a DAW that hosts Steven Slate Drums. What if we could generalize that concept to something that was running a built-in DAW, into which you could load whatever drum VST you desire? That’s what I’m referring to. For the people that don’t want Roland’s sounds, prefer those of drum VSTs, and want the convenience and reliability of an integrated hardware bundle.
@@danmayo9182
Well first of my response was to the original poster who asked for a sample based universal format. Since we've already moved from pure sample based libraries it doesn't make any sense nowadays.
Now towards your question (I actually already had a long reply written down when something happened and I lost it all).
Plugins are not a "format" in the sense that they only hold the samples. Plugins are a full fledged executables (like the DAW itself), the difference is they don't run themselves but the host application (like DAW) interfaces with them via a standardised API It's like when you ask your mom: "Can you make me an apple pie?" and she says, of course and two hour later you have a nice apple pie. Ask me the same thing and I'll go: "No idea how to do that, dude". In this case both your mam and me are plugins, you are the host application, the words are the API by which we communicate and apple pie is the output. Your mom is a plugin that can make apple pies and I am a plugin that can (hopefully) explain technical stuff.
Such a plugin needs a processor capable of running it. And here is at least in my opinion the problem (please bear in mind this is not researched, it's more like an educated guess). The processors in PCs are so called universal processors, their instruction set is devised so they can perform a lot of very different tasks such as audio processing, word processing, games, business aplications, you name it. Although all the processing is pretty much maths every software uses different types of algorithms and universal processor needs to be capable to run all of those. For that reason universal processors are not really good at any of those tasks, but they are capable of running them, just not very efficiently.
Now other class of processors are specialised processors. Those are designed to do a very narrow specialised set of tasks. In case of drum modules I'm pretty sure they all run some kind of DSP (digital signal processor) that can run circles around universal processors when running audio engine but fails at anything else. By that virtue you can't really load a plugin made for universal processor onto a DSP. Even Mimic is running a specific version of SSD which I strongly suspect it's for that very same reason - it's heavily modified to run on the DSP that's inside it.
So now last thing, why use specialised processors and not universal ones in drum modules? Well because universal processors 1. are more expensive 2. are less efficient (both speed and power wise) 3. are unnecessarily complicated for this specific type of application (more complication = less reliable) 4. require way more code to run than specific processors (more code = more memory = higher cost).
Also, there's one more little but possibly showstopping detail - pretty much any commercial plugin requires some kind of licensing software or hardware. It's impossible to include provision for every type of such licensing method (there's USB dongles, software licensing plugins, online licensing) without going ridiculously overboard with the cost of the module. At that point you would be looking at a standalone PC with some kind of trigger interface which alone would probably cost at least $800+ but would have to be specifically tuned to allow for lightning fast latency so probably double that price for R&D costs. I know Mimic is even more expensive but that is probably also due to licensing and branding costs so you can put that in perspective as well.
Another Great Video Justin, very informative. I look at drum samples totally different now lol
I think it's not that complicated to just have your computer sitting next to your drum set. Even if you could import full libraries easily, I'd still use the software. It's just more convenient for editing in all sorts of ways, especially in superior drummer
Personally, i just want good sounds for practising. Im looking for an decent module instead of having to buy a new laptop + drum software just for rehearsing with my band.
Sometimes the latency is what kills it. Spending 1k on a pc that can handle the plug-in with minimum latency, after spending 500-2k on an ekit is not always realistic.
Another issue...
Some things happen with licensing that become a pain.
BFD3 was bought by InMusic, and at first they placed this crazy scheme on the license manager that required the computer to always be online for the licensing to work.
That had never been needed, and made customers extremely angry.
After much furor, they walked it further and further back, with the current requirement of online once every 90 days.
It's much more reasonable but people were furious, and something like import to a 2box module escapes this issue for personal use, at least for just running a kit that you're already satisfied with.
Also I think the 2box software can be used to manipulate some things, as well as the module of course, with other parameters requiring either use of the VST as normal, or temporary use of it to make the changes, and then re-export.
It's also nice to not have to boot up an OS just to sit down and play, but sure sometimes it's not much difference.
Might an alternative be loading VSTs directly into a hardware VST unit such as a VMachine or Muse Receptor, then accessing them via your drum module's MIDI out? That said, the VMachine (still findable on eBay) is notoriously buggy and may be more trouble than it's worth, but I do own one so I'll give that a go at some point. The Muse unit is beyond my justifiable budget, but if you happen to have one... Just a thought!
Gotta ask it, can I load samples into my td1?
Td 1 limited for 15 sounds. But can play along with usb or midi
I liked the info shared and happy to know my DTX 502 is in the little list on the right. I’m needing to know a little better explanation just how do I put the sample in once I download it.. maybe I’m too easily rattled.. do I need sft ware for the operation? I can’t find a CZcams on it.. Yamaha’s forum is too hard to post because of the lost “Captcha field” problem. Thanks again
the storage space in itself is not an issue, the ram on the sound processors is, there's not really a lot to choose from when you're designing a drum module which have enough ram to be as versatile as you want, that's the main reason why this technology hasn't progressed futher yet.
I have a laptop with 64 GB of ram. I realize it's not exactly the same thing but still. I think these drum companies need to get their act together to be honest. Most modules are running off of incredibly low power and low storage space hardware. And they all cost $1000-2000
@65 Drums - wrong. We're talking about SoC hardware made specifically for sound processing, and if you want to design something robust and compact but also cheap while not compromising sound quality there aren't really many options to choose from which have a lot of RAM. This is not a PC. It's a SoC which has its entire OS embedded in the chip itself. No kernel, no drivers, there's just a bootloader which runs the embedded code. That's why it turns on right away, doesn't glitch (at least it shouldn't if it's programmed right) and always does what it's supposed to, without crashing.
@@jurematoh I understand system on a chip is a different beast than a common laptop Jure. I'm sure you're much more knowledgeable than me about the inner workings of modules. I'm just looking at the results. Drum modules are not cheap, 99% of them heavily compromise on sound quality. The keyboard industry seems to be way farther ahead of the edrum industry. Far better sounds, they have more advanced interfaces, and are cheaper than electronic drums. The possibilities are out there, I just want to see it happen some day under the price of a car.
to be fair, when talking quality I mainly had Pearl, Roland and 2Box in mind.
Thanks a lot Justin. This video had all the answers I needed.
Thanks for watching!
Cool! Thanks
Great video. I would go further with this and investigate the possibility of using samplers as sound source for edrums. Akai mpc live and one have the option to load multiple samples into one program with 4 layers and round robin feature. All can be triggered via midi. I don't own any but it would be interesting to know if it's possible. I believe there are sample packs of acoustic drums made for mpc so the copyright thing would not be an issue.
Can we load drum patches into Alesis nitro mesh kit?
Can I transfer user kicks, snares, and Toms that I created on an Alesis DM10 MKII to an Alesis Strike? No cymbals, hihats, perc, or EFX...just snare, kick, and Toms. Thanks.
Is there a reason "multi layer capable" is in red?
So, I like the idea to use export sounds from SD3 to the module, I heard that the Roland modules are better than 2box if you are using triggers, cause the lag and sensitivity, but the 2box have better sound. If I want to turn electronic my acustic kit, what would be a better choice? 2box Three or Roland td 27? I want to go full triggers, even on the cymbals (I dont want to buy an electronic kit cause the size of the toms) can someone with experience give me a little advice please? :D
GREAT VIDEO! Informative and well delivered. Cheers, Alex Yacovelli, Musician NYC
Hi i am using sdce to import to alesis stike module. I saw one instructions from ez drummer it shows velocity suggestions for ez drummer, do you have a suggestion when velocity when samples are coming from addictive drums and supperiod drummer thank you
Actually can I do that with the Alesis SR18? I have been hoping so.
An idea for the VST-developers would be to maybe partner up with Roland, Yamaha or one of the other drum module companies to create some form of hybrid between a computer and a drum module that could be sold with VST-drums and possibilities to purchase new packs of sounds... It should be possible with today’s hardware standards... or is it a long shot?
Once already did, the Pearl Mimic Pro module runs Steven Slate Drums 5. And to a lesser degree, the NFuzd module runs a dumbed down version of BFD.
Hi Justin, I have an ead10 and a hybrid kit. In a vst can I create a multilayered sample, export it to say a thumb drive and the import it into the Ead10 as a user sample?
Great video Justin keep up the good work
*shows picture of dm10 module at beginning which is same as mine.
*I get excited because that implies I can load new sounds on my module.
*proceeds to show list without dm10 supported
Good information. My big takeaway, unless I want to spend 1 - 3 thousand on a new set up one of the info applies to me. I guess that is the one thing I don't like about e-drums. When I built my acoustic set I got the best pieces I could afford and with very few exceptions it is the same kit it was 12 years ago. On the other hand the Yamaha DTXtreem I bought 15 years ago is just stuck [n 2005 abilities. And the TD 20 modal I got when we retired it to upgrade to a Mimic at church is no better.
I hear you. Unfortunately that seems to be part and parcel of owning electronics nowadays. If you get 3 years out of a phone, you’re sitting pretty. Computers have a useful life of about 3-5 years. While the hardware may still be in fine shape, OS and app updates start to render them unusable. At least with drum modules (being the closed systems that they are) they don’t change underneath you so they can remain usable for many more years (though our ears come to expect more). I would say that the saving grace is that trigger technology is only now just starting to evolve, so the piezo-based triggers from 15 years ago should still work just fine with today’s modules.
@@danmayo9182 Except if like me you started out with a Yamaha set. I wish I had known 15 years ago that Yamaha doesn't work with Roland.
Justin: So, if I get an Alesis Command Module for my Alesis Surge kit to allow the download of samples, would the fact that I could only get single layered (dual?) sounds, still produce significantly better 'sounds' than the Surge Module?
I would happily give up 95% of the preset kits that come with any given drum module in exchange for 3 - 5 great sounding kits with plenty of sample variety within each different sound.
I don’t need a library of 50-100 different drum kits in a module. I’d be so much happier with a handful of solid kits with some depth and layers to each sound. I think this is why so many people end up using ezdrummer or superior drummer. They put together a couple of kits they like and just stick with those. How many people are actually using all of the goofy sounding novelty kits that seem to come loaded onto every consumer drum module? It’s like they’re just padding their stats so that they can advertise the fact that the module has 70 different drum kits to choose from.
If they would just listen to their customers a bit more, I’m sure they’d find that most people would prefer to have a smaller number of high quality sounds rather than a massive library of garbage they’ll never use. E-drum manufacturers should see it as a major problem that so many people are trying to find a way to replace all of the sounds in their modules. That’s a pretty good sign that these modules are loaded with crap that people don’t like.
hey love the channel , can you tell me if the Crison II SE can load layers like the strike , Thanks Liam over here in Ireland
Not sure this was actually addressed in the video (and if it was and it just simply flew over my head, I apologize) ... but given that the Pearl Mimic gets it's sample library from Steven Slate Drums (SSD) . . . CONCEIVABLY . . . could one have a Roland TD 50 as a primary module and import/trigger samples from SSD on a laptop - thereby kind of having the "best of both worlds" (i.e. a kind of TD-50/Mimic hybrid) ???
Or would it simply be better to use certain "preferred" samples for certain surfaces (drums/cymbals) from the TD-50 and some from a laptop with SSD?
(If this question is way out there or just plain stupid ... again, I apologize.)
I have Eastone PDK-8 and I'm not 100% sure can I import different sounds to them
Hello Justin. Can you tell me, how to import samples from "Studio Drummer" to the "Roland TD 17 kv"?
Thanx for a very informative video. I have a question that keeps me from choosing a set to buy for gigging: if you have access to the Alesis DM10 MKII Pro module, when you load a sample (actually 2 samples ready to load) it will ask at which velocity you would like to split it -> "The velocity point separates Layer A and Layer B". But can you please tell me if there is a layer fade option, just like on the TD17? or just above that velocity point, it jumps to the second sample. I know the td17 has this fading option between the layers of the sample so it transitions smoother from ghost notes to harder hits, but does the DM10 MKII Pro module do this too?
Please, i can't find this information anywhere on the web.
Thank you!
Hello Justin! i have an old ALESIS DM 10 module...can i upload another drumsoftware? if there no enough space i want only 4-5 drumsets ...please recomand me the right software for my ALESIS dm 10 module...thank s!
Interesting stuff. Is there software for pc that can do same things like the multi-layering and anti-machine gunning effect? Looking to use my ekit with MIDI to a pc.
Which kits would you recommend as a MIDI controller for triggering say SD3 for example? Atm I have a Roland HD1, but it was just to start up with and the triggering on the snare isn't great. Also: I love the formfactor of the HD1. Would I experience a performance jump if I bought a new brain but used the same pads?
Ddrum ddti or alesis triggering theyre the same unit. Just dif branding i believe. I just picked up the ddrum used. They seem to be out of stock everywhere .
is there a way that I can load my "drumtec td17 real accoustic sound edition samples" into my Roland spd sx pad?
Really informative video thanks
Random question that has nothing to do with this video, but what hardware do I need to mount my drum module (TD-17) to a cymbal stand?
a drum module mount, and a arm clamp
what about an alesis surge or mesh
Does anybody know if its possible to transfer samples from MT Power Drum Kit to something like...Get Good Drums?
I’ve just purchased a millennium 850 edrumkit was wondering have u played on one and if so what are ur thoughts about it 🤙
Millennium isn't sold in the USA so unfortunately I've never played one
Daniel, I just got this kit myself, the 850. What are your thoughts on it so far?
Can anyone please tell me if the Mimic Pro works with Roland's digital snare and ride cymbal? Thanks
No, it does not, because they use a USB signal and a USB connector. Neither of those are on the Pearl Mimic Pro.
Hey Justin, I hace a very simple module (Behringer) but I always use SD3. If my module is very simple but I play through very good software, do I get the ABC random hits you talked about?
Yes, you will get the random hits! The software on your computer randomizes the sounds, when identical velocities are sent by your module.
Great info!!! Thanks for sharing!
Thanks for watching Tim :)
Who was the name of guy u said that can show how too import sound on Alesis pro
would an Alesis crimson be fine for expanding my strike module for just things like effects cymbals such as like chinas and splashes?
I ran an Alesis nitro module into the mix in on my Roland td10 to add extra triggers. Worked fine.
Can I import complete drum kits into the Yamaha DTX Pro?
Multi samples or multi layer it's ok, but the problem Is MIDI. The MIDI protocol are 127 velocity. I prefer use the module.
There's a new MIDI protocol coming out in the near future. I heard it will have thousands of velocities. That will be very very interesting
Good video..i like your wall color
Ahhh yes the wood paneling haha! I have a very old basement I shoot these videos in
Justin you are not looking at this like a Computer. Which is exactly what a drum module is. Each Brain for Roland has input technology. I have the TD-11 Brain(Module). Let's look at this like a computer with USB Input. The Computer (Module) has limited capacity. Limited functions and certain amount of file access. So. The Td- 11 Has user parameters and updated td-30 sounds. From Roland via USB. Think of your little module as an "I pad" that can be changed with certain parameters. Now Midi... Your module is MIDI Capable for triggers. 1 - 256 as per each bit and 10 Channels. 256 notes over 10 different instruments.
We all love John Smith.
He's a great guy :)
That was awesome Justin, so the only option to play sd3 is through audio interface. Which thunderbolt audio interface would you recommend?
I'm not an expert on audio interfaces unfortunately. If I were you I would search for ones with low latency
Hi friends, check out the next: czcams.com/video/-KijK7Q9H9I/video.html, this is a little MIDI hardware box capable of import/ load drum samples with multi-layer velocity support (not single-shot), it adds pro functionality to any low or medium end module to be similar in capabilities to a high-end drum module, but without the high cost!
Why not trigger sounds fro a computer trough midi?
Portability, mainly.
Or at least, would be for me.
At home i don't mind beign wired to a pc, but if a wanna gig outside i have to bring all the stuffs with me, and if there's not much space you simply can't.
Electronicky... that’s a new word😎😉
I love that word :)
Alesis crimson2 module?
The legal part of this thing is so weird to me. Stealing samples I have paid for. Whilst the software folks steal the sounds of drums that were only made possible due to Drum and microphone and even preamp manufacturers. Sampling basically stealing physical sounds and then telling people who bought the library that they are not allowed to use the samples as they see fit.
I'm thinking there's need for a Pearl Mimic 2.
That would be great :)
can td30 do that?
Misstitled video? "Can you put samples into a drum module?" would fit the video, where you very well explain the topic ;-)
If I wanted to be 100% accurate, I would have to title it: "Can You Import Multi-Layered Round Robin Sample Libraries From Drum Software Such As Superior Drummer 3 Into A Drum Module?" That would have precisely explained what this video was about. But on CZcams that title wouldn't work. Because this is an educational video aimed at edrum novices, that title would have been confusing to it's intended audience. So I compromised and choose a tile that made the most sense without scaring away people new to electronic drums. If this video was only about one shot drum samples, I would have been able to use your title.
Sorry, i disagree. Samples are samples, not depending on there quantity and number of layers. But the title claimed "software" to be the topic, which was not even mentioned.
@@daskasspatzle2396 Ok so I changed the tile to "Sample Libraries" instead of "Software". Because I still need to get across that this video is about a series of samples, not just one sample. It would be to vague to call this video "how to put samples into your drum module"
Hey Justin, i think this the perfect title for this video :-)
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Hi Frodo!
Can I upload superior drummer sample into my brain justin?
Hey this is urgent when you say Alesis strike you mean SE roght
hello! I have a roland td1kpx2 and I was wondering if it's possible to put a different module on it? The one that comes with it is very basic.
Thanks! :)
@2boxer drumit Awesome.. thanks for that!
Hi bro I have alesis dm10 and I don’t know how to import samples from my computer I really need your help
Hi
Hobbs Windrod hello there
So I’m layman’s terms I can’t do it
Kinda misleading title, IMO. "Drum software" and "sample library" are two different things.