Oh true. So true. I think I recently gave up a game I used to enjoy until it felt like you had to get lucky and get the newest character, 5 star, on the debut banner, to advance past the latest leg of the story.
This topic again lol Just remember what Solon said in the TDW 2024 Interview "If we can survive then it's okay right?" Kuro Games themselves are not targeting their revenue to head to head with other games especially HoYoverse LMAO So i'mma say whatever future revenues for WW we don't need to think hard about it and make it our problem to solve. Just let Kuro solve it themselves if they see it as a problem lol.
What I see the problem here is CC's have money problems that's why they continue milking this shit lol. Time to purge this channel out of my CZcams feeds.
One day I hope people stop strawmanning about such issues and analyze how it affects real things on the market but nah, I'd better believe unicorn exists than people becoming smarter.
I dont care if Wuwa is not in top3 on the revenue char because on different reason: - I dont trust gaming revenue reddit. I think it is weird that we havent had any revenue char complete for Wuwa because it turn off just when a vanner starts. - Major part of the players play on PC, no it wont be shown. -We are getting improvements, and devs listen to us. Additionally they give us free characters.
And that's definitely why they went into a revenue crisis and had to layoff 20% employees back in year 2023. Please stop commenting based on your own "subjective opinion" when the video is all about objective discussion based on data. Yes, sensor tower's revenue is not a good indicator, but ios apps ranking wont lie and is the best indicator (i can't expand too much here, basically it's just smtg related to steady income flow of certain apps - where it's company published its financial statement, and that makes a good reference point for other fluctuating apps revenue like gacha games). Zhezhi release makes wuwa rank 28 in china ios ranking, which is... very very very unimaginable terrible wrong if you can ask anyone staying in China. Normally for genshin/HSR hit character, they reach top 1, if not they could reach top 3. for certain number of hours, and each drop in the ranking is a massive difference in terms of revenue gained. Look at kuro financial statement, they were at $270mil nett loss in 2023. Definitely they won't die now with wuwa release, but saying something is good subjectively and not trusting revenue on reddit doesn't means you can't find other "real info" online that still prove the same fact that it's not living to most Genshin hater's hope. Majority of players playing on PC... that's even more wrong. Based on GFK (a data analytic company with over 8k employees worldwide), China's average expenditure per phone is $3480 RMB in 2023, that means all of them uses snapdragon gen 2 highest end chipset for their smartphone, as the phone with this chip cost around 3500 - 4000 rmb in 2023, not to mention it's prices during events and promotions such as 11/11. And tbh, wuwa can runs without any issues on snapdragon gen 2 phones. For PC however (citing a research by Canalys - currently under informa tech with 11k employees wordwide), the sales amount dropped by 28% for desktops, 22% for laptops in China in 2023 compared to 2022. It's not logical to assume more players in on pc than mobile in china market, a mobile phone focused market, which is the largest market for both wuwa and hoyoverse games. Another thing is wuwa's minimum requirement for PC is THE HIGHEST compared to HI/HSR/ZZZ, a shitty PC can still run genshin but not wuwa. Hence, it's not reasonable to assume that wuwa has more players playing on PC than mobile, compared to other games. Improvements and free characters is good, but, you only need more improvements when a game has too much rooms for improvements. I want a game that's organically good to it's arts/system/character/story/etc. and this is all subjective, you can like wuwa, others can like others. But under an "objective focused" revenue discussion video, all these doesn't matter.
Just making only 1 sequence purchasable from the shop per character instead of 2 would've drastically increased their revenue. The gacha itself is perfect. Not too expensive but not too cheap either. As far as freebies are considered, I think every AAA gacha desperately needed a decent amount of free pulls. Big spenders will always spend, whether they get free stuff or not but making the game more rewarding brings in more players, along with more big spenders, who again financially support the game There's definitely nothing wrong with the Wuwa freebies. It helps out the company in the ways I said. Infact, this level of generosity is prone to bring in many big spenders from other games who ain't satisfied with the gacha of their games, causing other companies to level up in the same way Kuro did and making the entire gacha industry better in order to compete Everybody wins.
These CCs don't really care about what normal everyday people think or want to see for content. It's all about their circlejerk and stroking their egos nowadays
Be WuWa: - way less popular than hoyo games - way less marketing compared to hoyo games - less predatory gacha rates and guaranteed weapon - gives more free pulls and free 5* characters - half the problems with the endgame can be solved with skill (one of the most skill based gacha game) - gives free 5* standard weapon at UL45 that can be good on Changli (just around 10% weaker than her sig, so most light spender didn't have incentive to pull Changli signature weapon, including me) - still makes 29 million on mobile with only Changli banner after all the hype and honeymoon phase passes 🗿 - still gets called "dead game" by hoyoshills who only measure good game by revenue chart 🤡
You forgot the best part. They actually listen to their players. I agree not all criticism is good but not even try to receive any is just pure ignorance.
Kuro will be fine. People think being greedy means being successfull and that way they justify Hoyo's bad business-practice and see it as "standard". Ironic.
Guess what...next 1.2 version the revenue for wuwa will stay low again...n hoyo fandom will trashtalk about it when it come to revenue Dont get me wrong....hoyo games was good but the community that coming from this games absolute insane...see what the ex genshin n hsr player does to wuwa community...they still act toxic n now kurogames being labelled as toxic community bcoz these ex geshin n HSR player join wuwa n act like how they stay in hoyo community
Exactly. They are getting that much money because they are creating content for 2 audiences: furry and depraved. The new character are bland af, but they have huge titties so they will sell a lot, because these people have nothing else to spend their money on.
Wuwa is fine, PGR should already dead long time ago if Kuro earnings was not enough it average lessthan a million when Wuwa was still not announced . Even with that kind of earnings they can still do collab with top tier games like Nier. I guess they are fine
@@doedoel035 Keep strawmanning. Just like tof community do. You look so pathetic, just like them back in the days. "Numbers don't matter" ahhh comment. Yeah, look where are they now, lol.
Is this still not done? 😂 Let company care about their revenues lol since when did gamers talks about a company revenue? If you're happiness comes from your favorite company raking in Millions rather than the game itself then you're not a gamer you probably should start a business so you yourself can earn money 😮💨
The recorder seems to always go down when its a big banner on Wuwa, Chiangli didn't get its first 4 days recorded so its hilarious why anyone would take this record seriously.
I mean it happened to every game. Genshin didn't had arlecchino banner first week being recorded because it was released in end of the month. Opbr didn't had V2 gol d Roger banner recorded at all which was the most used character for nearly two months. It is very unreliable.
@@Gheniel_the fact that Wuwu made that much with guaranteed weapon banners and not this 50/50 crap says a lot about Genshin being the most predatory while also being the scummiest they can't even give a free 5 star because it think it will hurt their revenue when in fact they just greedy
Kuro made much more than 100 million already. 356 million from ZZZ was total revenue, the 100 you showed was exclusively Mobile from Wuwa. Not saying Wuwa is going to make more money than ZZZ, but the numbers are blatantly wrong.
Realistically, all three Hoyos will be on top in the top three, altho I'm SOOO rooting for L&DS. But as a Kuro shill lol, I'd just be really happy to see WuWa in the top 10. It's a really good open world with my favorite combat and character designs. So yeah, I'll pull out my pompoms for Kuro within the top 10 lol
damn there are still people who argue about game revenue, I think it doesn't matter if kuro income is not as big as hoyo, as players what we need is reciprocity between developers and players.. and kuro has done it very well even in one month it's pointless if your favorite game income is high if the developer doesn't respect you, all they do is squeeze your wallet
oh now you wuwa fanboys are forgetting that you said your game is gonna kill genshin and now that you guys saw that your best effort isn't enough you changed the narrative to "guys we just wanted to make enough, not to kill them hehe, sorry"
Btw ZZZ currently have newly release buff,more important is how it is going to perform in future. It was breathe of fresh air because not another game set up in pseudo scifi or medival type world. The world is very much like my hero academia.
ngl, wuwa's content drought is concerning. i just log in, spend waveplates, do dailies and log off these days. there's literally nothing to do. 😢 i was ready to drop that one gacha game, but not like this wuwa. keep us entertained, dammit.
I don't care about Hoyo games. The devs already showed their true faces. Can't stand them anymore, I don't like them. Good luck to them with revenue, I quess, but I prefer Kuro. "Love yourself. Love your game. Love your players" and I love them back
Genshin impact - we will force players to spend if they want to have fun in the game. Wuthering Waves - we will force players to accept all the free rewards and having fun as we don't care about money.
@@AespaKatarinaare you ok dude? You are going around saying haha you thought this was a genshin killer or these kuro dogs like dude just give it up there is no point just play the games you like no body cares lol
Seems like every single players have preference like you. That game was fresh of breathe air,not being set in medivial or psudeo futuristic world. Everything was fresh. More game like it are coming soon which are set in modern city with MHA type environment.
Наивные идиоты в комментариях почему-то думают, что доходы разработчика никак не сказываются на качестве их игры, но по факту уже в 1.2 получают пустой филлер вместо полноценного патча. Если у вас на разработку того сырого и небольшого количества контента, который был в 1.0 ушло 150 млн $, то на дальнейшую поддержку игры (новые локации, новые персонажи, ивенты, сюжет и т.д.) явно должно тратиться меньше, но пропорционально первоначальному бюджету. В противном случае качество контента постепенно будет ухудшаться, а количество уменьшаться. Гача-игры это простая бизнес-модель, которая реализуется всеми одинаково и вне зависимости от разработчика на одних и тех же законах и принципах. Там не бывает менее или более жадных, ведь если ваш разработчик "менее жадный", то пострадает качество получаемого вами же контента. В итоге ваша игра будет обречена на стагнацию и рано или поздно - смерть, как и большая часть неудачников на дне списка.
For me, as long as it's top 10, I'm good. I still, however, hope they make enough money for them to do what they do, within reason, and within their physical means.
I think zzz came very recently, it's revenue from like the first month of its release, and I think hype isn't there as much it was anticipated before the game came out, but it won't die out anytime soon because hoyoverse ecosystem is based on grinding. The player is forced to do stuff everyday, farming materials. Wuwa's farming doesn't seem very tempting despite being almost similar.
I don't think you need to shill for Hoyo, They already have an army ready to do that. A Look at the top 3 is enough, even if i find those revenue chart pointless, You're not working for Hoyo, you're not working for Kuro You don't know anything about what they need for revenue. This topic is boring and pointless. You're farming it too much.
As much as I enjoy Wuthering Waves I think it's the best gacha currently, I havn't spent a single penny yet... I'm kinda broke though when It comes to Pulls now I only have enough for a 10 pull and that's it XD so I may drop $5 on a monthly pass to get 90 or 100 currency for 30 days. Kuro used to make 1-3 million dollars on PGR so going from that to even 30 mil is a major success imo. Also that charts mobile revenue and most players play on a PC and once PS5 version releases it will be getting Console Revenue too.
This gacha brain rot obsession of gacha players for gacha revenue is pathetic. I bet these people aren't even shareholders. Seriously. It's like a petty pissing contest. I really don't care. As long as the game thrives with what they have and make an actually objectively great game then I'm fine. Billions of revenue doesn't necessarily mean a great game. It could mean a more aggressive gacha monetization. And a relatively low revenue doesn't prevent a game from being great. This applies not just for gacha games but especially gachas. Reverse 1999, PtN, Arknights, Limbus Company, PGR, HI3 earns far less than the top 3 yet are very good games.
Wuwa players are way more happier compared to Genshin for example 100% guaranteed weapon banner for only 80 pull or less while genshin players need 200+ pulls for a weapon in worst case scenario. 2 copies of limited character is available in gacha currency shop this mean you only have to pull for C4 (around 350 pulls for worst case scenario could be less than 200 pulls) and buy both copies in the shop to C6 a character causing people to pull even less but players are more happy. Both will effect Wuwa revenue due to players pull less while in Genshin to C6 a character is impossible for free 2 play or low pay players This is why comparing Wuwa Revenue with different gacha system is not fair cause Hoyo games MILKED more money than Wuwa.
WuWa's revenue could fall off a cliff, I still think it's one of the best things to happen to the gacha space in a long time, the game is great imo and even tho it's a gacha it's probably one of my favorite games ever 😅
Thing is Kuro games will have even lower revenue next month, the guaranteed weapons banner, giving out so many astriktes and pulls and having the pity set at 80 instead of 90 like Genshin is taking a big chuck of their possible revenue, while Genshin/HSR/ZZZ have a big patch coming next, i'd be surprised if WUWA breaks 25 million considering that the next patch is a filler patch
@@thegamehelperz2746revenue is a second priority to them as long as the game can stay alive that's ok I mean pgr makes like 2 million a month but kuro still keeps giving great updates because they want to make great games
Ok, I understand, take a look at the revenue to see how the game is performing...But is it really relevant for you as a player to be so fixated on it? How much a game is doing in the end is only for the interest of the company, it depends on they judgment and perspectives
Because that's the only indicator to whether genshin is killed. That was something wuwa was marketed for, and it's fanboy/girls is looking for. All subjective article no matter how comprehensive is it, it's useless, we can only look at revenue.
@@xddd0909 the game never market itself as a genshin killer, and no one really sees it as a genshin killer except people with no brains. but everybody thought it would succeed and in fact it was a success
@@whatamess8894 How do you define if it's a success then? Didn't you say how much a game is doing is only for the interest of the company. If it's not revenue as the pointer for being successful or not, idk what is.
when I first saw people fighting over revenue, I quickly imagined two people in clown costume having a heated argument 🤣. And that was like almost a year ago
Gotta take all the numbers with a grain of salt unless they are official from the companies. The gatcha chart is made from a algoritme there is "predicting" the companies income, so its not the actual income but just predicted income. Honestly im not sure Wuwa really has revenue problems. The money they spend making the game was earned back in the first month Wuwa was out. Gotta remember it took them 2 years to spend 50 million dollars to produce Wuwa, so even if they only earned 25 million dollars a month it would still be a big profit for them ^^
Hoyo are massive, they make 3 billions in 2024 first half alone. Comparing a multi-billion company to Kuro, which is like 1/10000 of Hoyo size and influences is a bit....unfair. Also Wuwa gacha is a lot cheaper compared to hoyo games. So even if Wuwa have the same number of whale hoyo has (which they dont) they still gonna make less cause they give more reward, and the gacha is just a lot cheaper. revenue != quality anyway Still play wuwa instead of zzz or jenshin
@@AespaKatarinathis was a joke and what u said isn't wrong but people should enjoy a game not because of the revenue but because they enjoy playing the game revenue doesn't rlly mean anything as long as the company can continue making great games and updates
@@AespaKatarinatrue but the game deffo made a ton of money because it's a game from hoyo I'm not saying it's the only reason but it's a big reason why
What sell is not the game in itself but the package and cause its hoyoverse. If we make only the revenus for the quality of a game then yes sorry not sorry but Pokemon sword and shield totaly destroy elden ring by far and so by this logic is the better game. The revenus even more on a gacha say NOTHING about the quality of the game its just show that it is more prédator and less player friendly system. And like gacha smack show it in fact ZZZ release made less total revenus than HSR and Genshin last month so in fact made on mobile plate-forme hoyoverse loose money and is in the red. What détermine the success or not of a gacha is 6 months to 1 years after its release not the first month where with the honeymoon phase obviously gonna sell the most. What is sûre is ZZZ gonna HARD fall of after this month. On how much ? Wait and see but what is sûre is that the revenus gonna at minimum be cut in half or in 3. And for finishing the 100 millions of WuWa is only on mobile.
The 3rd point you make is genuinely so accurate, Hoyoverse isn't on top because they're god tier games, they will always be on top because they're the most predatory and really capitalize on that FOMO
what kind of bullsh*t did i just read? i dont know about solo games but in gacha the revenu is proportional to the amount of players enjoyment. every gacha game is predatory but u need a reason to spend and spend if u find it worth it. secondly wuwa 100 millions at release is in all platform not just mobiles and everyone knows it. dont u know dead patch and launch strategies exist? and for someone saying u need to wait 6 to 12 month before judging the success of a gacha game pulling smack points about hoyo revenu is pretty lame. and to finish thing what make u so sure that ZZZ gona hard fall other than your delusion? i'm certain u were along the ppl that said ZZZ gonna flop at release but ppl like u never learn to sh*t up and for the right opportunity to strike
August will indeed be a rough month for them with the one 5 star and they'll have to step it up for 1.3 but revenue numbers mostly don't mean shit just saying.
Tbh,I don't care with this revenue thing, you love the game play it if you don't yeah don't play it simple.. I play so much game and found this kurogames are unique on what it give to the players For other I don't know maybe your problem is yourself,you life is the problem itself.
If azure promilia,ak enfield,NtE,Project Mugen come arrive,theres no hope for wuthering waves to compete big gacha games because wuwa still lack of quality 👍
@@ryoidfurong905 True. It is certainly dying. The devs need money for oxygen. They should stop listening to players and lower gacha rates for more revenue
@@Personthatsit You're pathetic for thinking wuwa is a good game lol. Pathetically awful tastes. People's standards dropped drastically. It began with hating dmc2013 (best slasher in the world) back in the days to like wuwa(below mid slasher game). Witnessing it feels like a world's end, lol.
WW fans stop coping we really can't beat Hoyo in terms of revenue because they have a lot of people with stockholm syndrome, it's almost like a cult however in terms of quality and generosity Kuro is absolutely pummeling Homoverse to the ground, I know for a FACT that Homoverse could ever not replicate Kuro's combat animations.
Honestly I couldn't care less kuro making like 30 million a month is already crazy to me and makes me happy they can keep running and bringing a great gameplay experience
Just admit that wuwa failed to attract casuals players which makes up majority of the genshin playerbase. The people who wanted to leave,left already. Only people left in genshin who likes to play the game. Declaring them to have Stockholm syndrome just because they like what they enjoy more is stupid. it sounds like you problem who cannot imagine people enjoying X game or Y game just because you didn't like it. Wuwa also failed to reach the high revenue because of bad optimisation which already caused many players to left.
@@thomaskennedy5728meh they are improving the game and it's fun to me so I don't rlly care also making like 30 million a month is a success in my eyes
Dont play a game cause of revenue, play it cause you enjoy it.
Oh true. So true. I think I recently gave up a game I used to enjoy until it felt like you had to get lucky and get the newest character, 5 star, on the debut banner, to advance past the latest leg of the story.
@sarahtelles1931 oof that's harsh, but atleast you enjoyed it till then
a game revenue is proportional to it's player enjoyement dude. think before spouting idiocy
@@thegamehelperz2746 so people enjoy more pokemon sword and shield than elden ring ?
@@theolailheugue9402 apparently from what he's saying
This topic again lol
Just remember what Solon said in the TDW 2024 Interview
"If we can survive then it's okay right?"
Kuro Games themselves are not targeting their revenue to head to head with other games especially HoYoverse LMAO
So i'mma say whatever future revenues for WW we don't need to think hard about it and make it our problem to solve. Just let Kuro solve it themselves if they see it as a problem lol.
What I see the problem here is CC's have money problems that's why they continue milking this shit lol.
Time to purge this channel out of my CZcams feeds.
@@cassandra2646 This lol
Ya, I really don't understand the revenue mindset, just play what you enjoy
@@arkcanon1282 my comment was deleted lol.
@@cassandra2646 LMAO. You got him good eh?
Damn i guess my multi millionaire company didnt make more than your multi millionnaire company 😔😔
Lol
One day I hope people stop strawmanning about such issues and analyze how it affects real things on the market but nah, I'd better believe unicorn exists than people becoming smarter.
@@Dubstep_Gun "youre dumb and I'm smart"
- dubstep and his 4 friends brigading
@@Gheniel_ Sung-jin woo pfp tries to open his mouth, laughable.
I dont care if Wuwa is not in top3 on the revenue char because on different reason:
- I dont trust gaming revenue reddit. I think it is weird that we havent had any revenue char complete for Wuwa because it turn off just when a vanner starts.
- Major part of the players play on PC, no it wont be shown.
-We are getting improvements, and devs listen to us. Additionally they give us free characters.
Kuro is the same from PGR and damn PGR is so good, I trust them
If sensor tower app freeze u still can see on appmagic,and still jinshi and changli hype cannot beat 3 big hoyo games
The entire gacha industry seems hellbent on making Wuwa flop.
Wuwa is public enemy no 1 but they are the kind of enemy id rather have than genshit@AratakiBullPowerSiddo1
And that's definitely why they went into a revenue crisis and had to layoff 20% employees back in year 2023. Please stop commenting based on your own "subjective opinion" when the video is all about objective discussion based on data. Yes, sensor tower's revenue is not a good indicator, but ios apps ranking wont lie and is the best indicator (i can't expand too much here, basically it's just smtg related to steady income flow of certain apps - where it's company published its financial statement, and that makes a good reference point for other fluctuating apps revenue like gacha games). Zhezhi release makes wuwa rank 28 in china ios ranking, which is... very very very unimaginable terrible wrong if you can ask anyone staying in China. Normally for genshin/HSR hit character, they reach top 1, if not they could reach top 3. for certain number of hours, and each drop in the ranking is a massive difference in terms of revenue gained. Look at kuro financial statement, they were at $270mil nett loss in 2023. Definitely they won't die now with wuwa release, but saying something is good subjectively and not trusting revenue on reddit doesn't means you can't find other "real info" online that still prove the same fact that it's not living to most Genshin hater's hope.
Majority of players playing on PC... that's even more wrong. Based on GFK (a data analytic company with over 8k employees worldwide), China's average expenditure per phone is $3480 RMB in 2023, that means all of them uses snapdragon gen 2 highest end chipset for their smartphone, as the phone with this chip cost around 3500 - 4000 rmb in 2023, not to mention it's prices during events and promotions such as 11/11. And tbh, wuwa can runs without any issues on snapdragon gen 2 phones. For PC however (citing a research by Canalys - currently under informa tech with 11k employees wordwide), the sales amount dropped by 28% for desktops, 22% for laptops in China in 2023 compared to 2022. It's not logical to assume more players in on pc than mobile in china market, a mobile phone focused market, which is the largest market for both wuwa and hoyoverse games. Another thing is wuwa's minimum requirement for PC is THE HIGHEST compared to HI/HSR/ZZZ, a shitty PC can still run genshin but not wuwa. Hence, it's not reasonable to assume that wuwa has more players playing on PC than mobile, compared to other games.
Improvements and free characters is good, but, you only need more improvements when a game has too much rooms for improvements. I want a game that's organically good to it's arts/system/character/story/etc. and this is all subjective, you can like wuwa, others can like others. But under an "objective focused" revenue discussion video, all these doesn't matter.
As a person who plays arknights, nikke, wuwa, and bluearchive idc or play games based on revenue
Hell ya
Exactly. Who gives a damn on these revenue chart. It's beyond stupid.
Hoyo fanboy/girls do lol
Only Hoyoshills and Kuroshills that are ex-Genshin players cares about this topic ngl. And CCs because it's easy farm for them.
Ye, I'm just here chilling playing what I love
True. Like damn. As if it means a thing.
Majority of kuroshills are PGR players and paid Tencent bots.
@@free_manipur_from_india Hmmm sure, whatever helps you sleep at night.
@@free_manipur_from_india lol slave from the Manipur spoke
I mean they give a lot of free stuff, so it should be expected.
And their gacha system is not that punishing compared to HV.
@@ArJay1688ya and we can have any virus either 😮😮
Just making only 1 sequence purchasable from the shop per character instead of 2 would've drastically increased their revenue.
The gacha itself is perfect. Not too expensive but not too cheap either.
As far as freebies are considered, I think every AAA gacha desperately needed a decent amount of free pulls. Big spenders will always spend, whether they get free stuff or not but making the game more rewarding brings in more players, along with more big spenders, who again financially support the game
There's definitely nothing wrong with the Wuwa freebies. It helps out the company in the ways I said. Infact, this level of generosity is prone to bring in many big spenders from other games who ain't satisfied with the gacha of their games, causing other companies to level up in the same way Kuro did and making the entire gacha industry better in order to compete
Everybody wins.
I trust kuro with my wallet more than I can trust hoyo
They had my loyalty.
The game will last long and player happiness is high.
Ameen
Am I the only one that doesn't give a f about what company makes more millions?
No, I can't give a shit either tbh
These CCs don't really care about what normal everyday people think or want to see for content. It's all about their circlejerk and stroking their egos nowadays
Same @@gameplayer-_-227
This word said when wuwa flops 😂
I think it can be a good indicator if a gatcha is worth committing too
Be WuWa:
- way less popular than hoyo games
- way less marketing compared to hoyo games
- less predatory gacha rates and guaranteed weapon
- gives more free pulls and free 5* characters
- half the problems with the endgame can be solved with skill (one of the most skill based gacha game)
- gives free 5* standard weapon at UL45 that can be good on Changli (just around 10% weaker than her sig, so most light spender didn't have incentive to pull Changli signature weapon, including me)
- still makes 29 million on mobile with only Changli banner after all the hype and honeymoon phase passes 🗿
- still gets called "dead game" by hoyoshills who only measure good game by revenue chart 🤡
>Be Yinlin
>Store crashes on her debut
>profit
@@doedoel035 Ellen Joe victim
You forgot the best part. They actually listen to their players.
I agree not all criticism is good but not even try to receive any is just pure ignorance.
People glazed tof same as you did. Where it is now? True, in garbage.
Jinshi and changli hype cannot even beat nikke,is a bad sign of wuwa on the future
Kuro will be fine.
People think being greedy means being successfull and that way they justify Hoyo's bad business-practice and see it as "standard".
Ironic.
Guess what...next 1.2 version the revenue for wuwa will stay low again...n hoyo fandom will trashtalk about it when it come to revenue
Dont get me wrong....hoyo games was good but the community that coming from this games absolute insane...see what the ex genshin n hsr player does to wuwa community...they still act toxic n now kurogames being labelled as toxic community bcoz these ex geshin n HSR player join wuwa n act like how they stay in hoyo community
300mil USD, it shows we don't like good games
@@AespaKatarinawho is this bot?
@@thomaskennedy5728 some neckbeard with korean fetish
@@thomaskennedy5728a hoyo bot
@@thomaskennedy5728your casual hoyobot degenerate.
Unless you're asian it doesnt matter just play what u enjoy
being top 1 revenue doesn't mean the game is good lmao. ZZZ gameplay is so fuking boring compare to hi3rd and genshin
Exactly. They are getting that much money because they are creating content for 2 audiences: furry and depraved.
The new character are bland af, but they have huge titties so they will sell a lot, because these people have nothing else to spend their money on.
Tbh genshins gameplay doesn't even interest me....majority of the game is story and lore which I couldn't get interested in
Cope in this comment section is so funny😅
@AespaKatarina they never said that they play wuwa tho? Looks like that game is stuck in your head lol
@AespaKatarina you're literally everywhere trashing on wuwa....did kuro hurt your feelings or something?
Man ccs should just stop with this, it's a normie average majority vs based enjoyer minority. a 3v2, just let it go people
Wuwa is fine, PGR should already dead long time ago if Kuro earnings was not enough it average lessthan a million when Wuwa was still not announced . Even with that kind of earnings they can still do collab with top tier games like Nier. I guess they are fine
This dude is somehow more out of content than Tectone
So you're accepting the fact that Wuwa is losing it's grip too fast? Welcome back, my guy. It's not too late to stop glazing Wuwa.
From your PFP yeah I can already tell you are from a certain toxic fanbase
OOOOH Look at these numbers sisters I'm gonna DOOOOOOOM 😫I'm doooooming all over the numbers 😫💦
@@doedoel035 Keep strawmanning. Just like tof community do. You look so pathetic, just like them back in the days.
"Numbers don't matter" ahhh comment. Yeah, look where are they now, lol.
@@doedoel035 Keep strawmanning. Just like those tof players. Look where are they now.
@@Dubstep_Gunstill alive lol bro stop being pathetic
Is this still not done? 😂 Let company care about their revenues lol since when did gamers talks about a company revenue? If you're happiness comes from your favorite company raking in Millions rather than the game itself then you're not a gamer you probably should start a business so you yourself can earn money 😮💨
Facts
Its done the guys just another bottom of the barrel trash drama CC with no content so he just keeps revisiting it
@@user-yb1ye5sm6y lol people be here expecting a non hoyo game topping the revenue charts
The recorder seems to always go down when its a big banner on Wuwa, Chiangli didn't get its first 4 days recorded so its hilarious why anyone would take this record seriously.
I mean it happened to every game. Genshin didn't had arlecchino banner first week being recorded because it was released in end of the month.
Opbr didn't had V2 gol d Roger banner recorded at all which was the most used character for nearly two months.
It is very unreliable.
Idc hoyo cares for money kuro cares for players that's all i need to play a game and have fun with it
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Yep, way less predatory gacha makes less money. Who would have thought?
@@Gheniel_the fact that Wuwu made that much with guaranteed weapon banners and not this 50/50 crap says a lot about Genshin being the most predatory while also being the scummiest they can't even give a free 5 star because it think it will hurt their revenue when in fact they just greedy
@@darkcastle85 yeah, and there is way more variables against WuWa than the gacha system, read my original comment in this video.
Absolutely true brother... Support kuro... They deserve it... Hoyo is 🗑...
Kuro made much more than 100 million already. 356 million from ZZZ was total revenue, the 100 you showed was exclusively Mobile from Wuwa.
Not saying Wuwa is going to make more money than ZZZ, but the numbers are blatantly wrong.
Cope
@@FBl It must be a miserable experience being you.
@@seriomesmo780 lil bro is mad
@@FBl you are a true hoyoshills to the core. Pure stupidity personified.😂😂
@@AespaKatarina hoyo dogs better?
Realistically, all three Hoyos will be on top in the top three, altho I'm SOOO rooting for L&DS. But as a Kuro shill lol, I'd just be really happy to see WuWa in the top 10. It's a really good open world with my favorite combat and character designs. So yeah, I'll pull out my pompoms for Kuro within the top 10 lol
Does it matter?
less money than zzz, yes, but they made more than enough money to allow them to reinvest and improve the game even more. So I can't be bothered.
damn there are still people who argue about game revenue, I think it doesn't matter if kuro income is not as big as hoyo, as players what we need is reciprocity between developers and players.. and kuro has done it very well even in one month
it's pointless if your favorite game income is high if the developer doesn't respect you, all they do is squeeze your wallet
oh now you wuwa fanboys are forgetting that you said your game is gonna kill genshin and now that you guys saw that your best effort isn't enough you changed the narrative to "guys we just wanted to make enough, not to kill them hehe, sorry"
zzz sucks ass, it might of been good if it came out in 2019
oof
True... WuWa is for real gamer... ZZZ is 🗑... Kuro is the best dev period...
Most people more care about quality,that's why zzz succeed
Wuwa have more difficulty but lack of quality
@@ACERRG-mp7bkEveryone laugh at this hoyoclown 😂😂😂
@@ACERRG-mp7bkzzz is dogshit, wuwa is quality.
Btw ZZZ currently have newly release buff,more important is how it is going to perform in future.
It was breathe of fresh air because not another game set up in pseudo scifi or medival type world. The world is very much like my hero academia.
ngl, wuwa's content drought is concerning.
i just log in, spend waveplates, do dailies and log off these days. there's literally nothing to do. 😢
i was ready to drop that one gacha game, but not like this wuwa.
keep us entertained, dammit.
they are doing just fine
I don't care about Hoyo games. The devs already showed their true faces. Can't stand them anymore, I don't like them. Good luck to them with revenue, I quess, but I prefer Kuro. "Love yourself. Love your game. Love your players" and I love them back
Facts 💯💯
Lol have fun listening to all the talk being about hoyo games instead of kuro 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Genshin impact - we will force players to spend if they want to have fun in the game.
Wuthering Waves - we will force players to accept all the free rewards and having fun as we don't care about money.
Ppl have so low expectations. I couldn't stand play this ZZZ thing for more than 3 days..
@@AespaKatarinaare you ok dude? You are going around saying haha you thought this was a genshin killer or these kuro dogs like dude just give it up there is no point just play the games you like no body cares lol
Seems like every single players have preference like you.
That game was fresh of breathe air,not being set in medivial or psudeo futuristic world. Everything was fresh.
More game like it are coming soon which are set in modern city with MHA type environment.
It's a matter of different interests; everyone has their own preferences.
I don't think 4.8 "dead patch" , it's pretty good summer map but people for now saving for Natlan characters like me (currently at 111 pulls)
it dead patch for them because they didnt play the game. It definitely got more content than what wuwa have now at 1.2
Dejen de invertar pretextos y defender su juego, saquen la billetera y demuestren su amor.
Наивные идиоты в комментариях почему-то думают, что доходы разработчика никак не сказываются на качестве их игры, но по факту уже в 1.2 получают пустой филлер вместо полноценного патча. Если у вас на разработку того сырого и небольшого количества контента, который был в 1.0 ушло 150 млн $, то на дальнейшую поддержку игры (новые локации, новые персонажи, ивенты, сюжет и т.д.) явно должно тратиться меньше, но пропорционально первоначальному бюджету. В противном случае качество контента постепенно будет ухудшаться, а количество уменьшаться. Гача-игры это простая бизнес-модель, которая реализуется всеми одинаково и вне зависимости от разработчика на одних и тех же законах и принципах. Там не бывает менее или более жадных, ведь если ваш разработчик "менее жадный", то пострадает качество получаемого вами же контента. В итоге ваша игра будет обречена на стагнацию и рано или поздно - смерть, как и большая часть неудачников на дне списка.
For me, as long as it's top 10, I'm good. I still, however, hope they make enough money for them to do what they do, within reason, and within their physical means.
Who is going to be Top 3 Next Gacha Chart?!
I think zzz came very recently, it's revenue from like the first month of its release, and I think hype isn't there as much it was anticipated before the game came out, but it won't die out anytime soon because hoyoverse ecosystem is based on grinding. The player is forced to do stuff everyday, farming materials. Wuwa's farming doesn't seem very tempting despite being almost similar.
Who cares, probably 💤 😴 💤 or something lol
1.FGO 2.STAR RAIL 3.LoD
It is ok if it wasn't genshin killer. If this ruins your gaming experience then it is you problem.
I don't think you need to shill for Hoyo, They already have an army ready to do that.
A Look at the top 3 is enough, even if i find those revenue chart pointless,
You're not working for Hoyo, you're not working for Kuro
You don't know anything about what they need for revenue. This topic is boring and pointless.
You're farming it too much.
And you just contributed to the farm
@miramaxcinemax5512 and you contributed nothing with your useless comment
As much as I enjoy Wuthering Waves I think it's the best gacha currently, I havn't spent a single penny yet... I'm kinda broke though when It comes to Pulls now I only have enough for a 10 pull and that's it XD so I may drop $5 on a monthly pass to get 90 or 100 currency for 30 days.
Kuro used to make 1-3 million dollars on PGR so going from that to even 30 mil is a major success imo. Also that charts mobile revenue and most players play on a PC and once PS5 version releases it will be getting Console Revenue too.
This gacha brain rot obsession of gacha players for gacha revenue is pathetic. I bet these people aren't even shareholders. Seriously. It's like a petty pissing contest.
I really don't care. As long as the game thrives with what they have and make an actually objectively great game then I'm fine.
Billions of revenue doesn't necessarily mean a great game. It could mean a more aggressive gacha monetization. And a relatively low revenue doesn't prevent a game from being great.
This applies not just for gacha games but especially gachas. Reverse 1999, PtN, Arknights, Limbus Company, PGR, HI3 earns far less than the top 3 yet are very good games.
Wuwa players are way more happier compared to Genshin for example 100% guaranteed weapon banner for only 80 pull or less while genshin players need 200+ pulls for a weapon in worst case scenario. 2 copies of limited character is available in gacha currency shop this mean you only have to pull for C4 (around 350 pulls for worst case scenario could be less than 200 pulls) and buy both copies in the shop to C6 a character causing people to pull even less but players are more happy. Both will effect Wuwa revenue due to players pull less while in Genshin to C6 a character is impossible for free 2 play or low pay players
This is why comparing Wuwa Revenue with different gacha system is not fair cause Hoyo games MILKED more money than Wuwa.
Wuwa’s fall off needs to be studied. All that hype and it’s not even in the Top 5 gachas after just two patches.
WuWa's revenue could fall off a cliff, I still think it's one of the best things to happen to the gacha space in a long time, the game is great imo and even tho it's a gacha it's probably one of my favorite games ever 😅
for a first big game from a smaller company compared to others this isnt that surprising or note worthy
And also Natlan is coming...It's done.
@Dubstep_Gun why don't you worry about genshin then? Stop worrying about another game you clearly don't play or like
Wuwa still lack of quality that's why even some CC oversell it cannot help at all
Thing is Kuro games will have even lower revenue next month, the guaranteed weapons banner, giving out so many astriktes and pulls and having the pity set at 80 instead of 90 like Genshin is taking a big chuck of their possible revenue, while Genshin/HSR/ZZZ have a big patch coming next, i'd be surprised if WUWA breaks 25 million considering that the next patch is a filler patch
Kuro isn't in it for revenue, it's the players putting them against eachother, also it's hoyo so the money they make isn't shocking at all
@@depressoexpresso8469 kuro isn't in for revenue? do u know how dumb what u said is mate?
@thegamehelperz2746 as dumb as what you just said mate, good to know you enjoy pokemon more than elden ring
@@depressoexpresso8469 i dont even play pokemon but then again u are too dumb to understand the sh*t u are spouting🙃
@@thegamehelperz2746revenue is a second priority to them as long as the game can stay alive that's ok I mean pgr makes like 2 million a month but kuro still keeps giving great updates because they want to make great games
Ok, I understand, take a look at the revenue to see how the game is performing...But is it really relevant for you as a player to be so fixated on it? How much a game is doing in the end is only for the interest of the company, it depends on they judgment and perspectives
lower revenue = closer to eos
Because that's the only indicator to whether genshin is killed. That was something wuwa was marketed for, and it's fanboy/girls is looking for. All subjective article no matter how comprehensive is it, it's useless, we can only look at revenue.
@@xddd0909 the game never market itself as a genshin killer, and no one really sees it as a genshin killer except people with no brains. but everybody thought it would succeed and in fact it was a success
@@esc3107 okay but the games that people are looking for are far from eos. There's no need to get so fixated
@@whatamess8894 How do you define if it's a success then? Didn't you say how much a game is doing is only for the interest of the company. If it's not revenue as the pointer for being successful or not, idk what is.
when I first saw people fighting over revenue, I quickly imagined two people in clown costume having a heated argument 🤣. And that was like almost a year ago
From the latest revenue from sensor tower wuwa is dying fast, playerbase is dropping too :(
Gotta take all the numbers with a grain of salt unless they are official from the companies. The gatcha chart is made from a algoritme there is "predicting" the companies income, so its not the actual income but just predicted income. Honestly im not sure Wuwa really has revenue problems. The money they spend making the game was earned back in the first month Wuwa was out. Gotta remember it took them 2 years to spend 50 million dollars to produce Wuwa, so even if they only earned 25 million dollars a month it would still be a big profit for them ^^
as long as if it's not EOS'ing it doesn't matter to me.
Hoyo are massive, they make 3 billions in 2024 first half alone. Comparing a multi-billion company to Kuro, which is like 1/10000 of Hoyo size and influences is a bit....unfair.
Also Wuwa gacha is a lot cheaper compared to hoyo games. So even if Wuwa have the same number of whale hoyo has (which they dont) they still gonna make less cause they give more reward, and the gacha is just a lot cheaper.
revenue != quality anyway
Still play wuwa instead of zzz or jenshin
wuwa generated nearly $40 million within 1 month of its global launch i don't think there is any revenue problem lmao
Playing a game you enjoy ❌
Playing a game because of revenue✅
@@AespaKatarina Missed the point of the joke. Bro got offended😔
@@AespaKatarinathis was a joke and what u said isn't wrong but people should enjoy a game not because of the revenue but because they enjoy playing the game revenue doesn't rlly mean anything as long as the company can continue making great games and updates
@GalVaSquaSteel Aespa a HARDCORE Hoyo Glazer they been all over this comment section
@@AespaKatarinatrue but the game deffo made a ton of money because it's a game from hoyo I'm not saying it's the only reason but it's a big reason why
What sell is not the game in itself but the package and cause its hoyoverse.
If we make only the revenus for the quality of a game then yes sorry not sorry but Pokemon sword and shield totaly destroy elden ring by far and so by this logic is the better game.
The revenus even more on a gacha say NOTHING about the quality of the game its just show that it is more prédator and less player friendly system.
And like gacha smack show it in fact ZZZ release made less total revenus than HSR and Genshin last month so in fact made on mobile plate-forme hoyoverse loose money and is in the red.
What détermine the success or not of a gacha is 6 months to 1 years after its release not the first month where with the honeymoon phase obviously gonna sell the most.
What is sûre is ZZZ gonna HARD fall of after this month. On how much ? Wait and see but what is sûre is that the revenus gonna at minimum be cut in half or in 3.
And for finishing the 100 millions of WuWa is only on mobile.
The 3rd point you make is genuinely so accurate, Hoyoverse isn't on top because they're god tier games, they will always be on top because they're the most predatory and really capitalize on that FOMO
what kind of bullsh*t did i just read? i dont know about solo games but in gacha the revenu is proportional to the amount of players enjoyment. every gacha game is predatory but u need a reason to spend and spend if u find it worth it.
secondly wuwa 100 millions at release is in all platform not just mobiles and everyone knows it.
dont u know dead patch and launch strategies exist? and for someone saying u need to wait 6 to 12 month before judging the success of a gacha game pulling smack points about hoyo revenu is pretty lame.
and to finish thing what make u so sure that ZZZ gona hard fall other than your delusion? i'm certain u were along the ppl that said ZZZ gonna flop at release but ppl like u never learn to sh*t up and for the right opportunity to strike
At least revenue and total active player still more objective then ur opinion if game enjoyable or not
@@ACERRG-mp7bk you mean the notes on the app store ?
@@AespaKatarina so by this logic holow knight is a realy bad game right ?
August will indeed be a rough month for them with the one 5 star and they'll have to step it up for 1.3 but revenue numbers mostly don't mean shit just saying.
Tbh,I don't care with this revenue thing, you love the game play it if you don't yeah don't play it simple.. I play so much game and found this kurogames are unique on what it give to the players
For other I don't know maybe your problem is yourself,you life is the problem itself.
m8 Solon made things clear now. They're not aiming towards Revenue, don't drag them into this which makes shit worse
They wouldn't be struggling in this if they brought it to PS5 earlier.
Geez i swear there's so much bs back and forth one moment there's good news the next there's bull shit
Why is this guy a budget Power genderswap PNG lol.
If azure promilia,ak enfield,NtE,Project Mugen come arrive,theres no hope for wuthering waves to compete big gacha games because wuwa still lack of quality 👍
Kuro games have 3 L's:
Love your self
Love your players
Love your games
holy
Wuwa is going through a slow slope into the valley of irrelevant and death games
Meh whatever at least people playing wuwa are having a great time
@@Personthatsit Yeah, just like tof players having a great time. All 5 of them.
@@Dubstep_Gunsurely dude imagine being so pathetic and sad that you hate on any game not made by hoyo
@@ryoidfurong905 True. It is certainly dying. The devs need money for oxygen. They should stop listening to players and lower gacha rates for more revenue
@@Personthatsit You're pathetic for thinking wuwa is a good game lol. Pathetically awful tastes. People's standards dropped drastically. It began with hating dmc2013 (best slasher in the world) back in the days to like wuwa(below mid slasher game). Witnessing it feels like a world's end, lol.
unsub zzz botted revenues
i knew hoyo games is polished and many ppl looking forward to zzz released...
the problem is.... 🗣️ "CHANGLI BANNER WILL BEAT ZZZ"
WW fans stop coping we really can't beat Hoyo in terms of revenue because they have a lot of people with stockholm syndrome, it's almost like a cult however in terms of quality and generosity Kuro is absolutely pummeling Homoverse to the ground, I know for a FACT that Homoverse could ever not replicate Kuro's combat animations.
Honestly I couldn't care less kuro making like 30 million a month is already crazy to me and makes me happy they can keep running and bringing a great gameplay experience
Having a good ass game > beating other company 👍
Just admit that wuwa failed to attract casuals players which makes up majority of the genshin playerbase. The people who wanted to leave,left already. Only people left in genshin who likes to play the game.
Declaring them to have Stockholm syndrome just because they like what they enjoy more is stupid. it sounds like you problem who cannot imagine people enjoying X game or Y game just because you didn't like it.
Wuwa also failed to reach the high revenue because of bad optimisation which already caused many players to left.
@@thomaskennedy5728meh they are improving the game and it's fun to me so I don't rlly care also making like 30 million a month is a success in my eyes
@@Personthatsit all I am stating is that people don't have Stockholm syndrome just because they like Y game or X game.