BIG NEWS!! MacOS GUI DESIGN iPadOS For iPad Pro!
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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 6. 06. 2024
- Apple are bringing a BRAND NEW 'MacOS Mode' Hybrid iPadOS for the iPad Pro that could be called iPadOS Pro! I want to tell you all the details about this and also what we are expecting to see for iPadOS 18 at WWDC 2024 Apple June Event!
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Apple; Some shots from their keynotes
NEW Mac Mode for iPad? 0:00
The problem with iPads 0:23
Will MacOS come to the iPad? 2:03
Sponsor 3:09
The Hybrid iPadOS Pro 4:57
Ai in iPadOS 18 6:50
#ipados18 #ipadpro #wwdc2024 - VÄda a technologie
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Would you like to see a 'Pro' version of iPadOS?
Yes even though I doubt it
@@youtubepro2323 I think apple are listening that we dont see the point in a powerful iPad if a cheaper far less powerful one that they sell can do the same job
Of course Iâd love to see itđ€©đ
I would like to run the full versions of Word, Excel, PowerPoint, and Teams on my iPad. Then itâll be my primary device. But, that will NEVER happen so Iâll go back to drinking bourbon.
@@ChristianZafra-xj2jq Me too! It would be great!
Would be cool to run Mac OS Applications on iPad
It sure would!
@@MattTalkTech I just want to play bg3 on my iPad and some render software
Crazy how there's absolutely nothing stopping you from running Mac OS software on an iPad (same ISA, same chipset, practically same OS), but apple doesn't let you because it wants you to buy another device.
wait until 2077
Great video Matt! đ
I would love for you to improve your sound quality. Having a mic somewhere across the room won't cut it.
Thank you @MattTalkTeck! I appreciate the update!
So while the patent idea for a hybrid OS system would be cool do we know if something like this coming soon to the iPad Pro? Patents can be filed and sit for years before they are rolled out.
Thanks for the Information â„
Thank you for watching
Just give me a terminal app w/ bash and access to most of the file system because that's what I use 50% of the time on macOS. Well, hopefully I'll get that at least here in the EU with side loading. Also Xcode would be nice, too.
bash is old coding. New architecture runs zsh
@@beniofisial6316 No, the default is now zsh but I still use bash because I have used it for decades.
Iâd also prefer zsh but given so many servers run terminals only with bash, I wouldnât mind stretching my bash muscles.
Is it me, or is there no link to the Lexar SSD storage device in the description?
This would definitely be something to look forward to. Hopefully it will run on my non M chip iPad pro.
Dope video
Like dex mode ??
Will I get it for iPad m2 ?
The answer you are looking for is kind of what mkb hd said in his decision to buy one and use it like a laptop, its because it is far more intuitive than any thing they release final cut 2 that only works because well of apple pencil integration for the most part and overall the software being hard to impliment, stage manager is a big step i donât doubt another could be taken but it needs to feel natural.
Now THIS is interesting!
I really really hope we get something like this at WWDC
THIS is Pod Racing
So do I!
For designers, it would be a gamechanger †most designers use both because of different OSs.
Well I am hoping for a new Macbook Pro now that I got an Ipad Air M2 13 inches. I love it and I am getting use to a larger screen. I am exploring now what I can connect to it.
Canât wait, the future is exciting!
I just ordered the 13â 1TB if they bring macOS Iâll be so excited
Bro, Very helpful info as always đ. Also appreciate you helping people to save money in purchasing instead of people wasting money when these expensive devices are not needed.
Yes for sure. Thank you Matt
Awesome!
You are right đ Sir
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Thanks Matt.
Thanks for watching
Were you speaking from a non-artist point of view for an artist with this upgrade for the pencil and the extra power that you could do with 3-D modeling and such I think itâs a very tempting deal. I almost bought it, but Iâm waiting a while. I got the M2 terabyte right now.
@MattTalkTech Thanks for the great video content! I have an M2 iPad Pro and really feel like itâs over powered and underutilized! Makes sense to put MacOS Hybrid mode in all the M-Series iPads! đâ€đ
Iâm not really clear what you are saying. Maybe just that it will have Finder?
My suggestion is the M4 iPads be able to run 1 Mac app at a time. A Finder Mac-like environment and single app operation like it has now only also for Mac apps. This would differentiate but allow specific work to get done on the goâŠ
I really hope so Matt, it's an expensive inversion for the future but it'd be worth it for me if that were the case!
I would really really love that. I've been wishing for an iPad Mac OS device for a while now.
Why?
If this comes to pass this June then WOW
I need to decide between the two as my uni starts in a few months and I donât have any capable device.
I'd 100% recommend the new 13" iPad Air for pretty much all kinds of students (except software engineering). Unless daddy is paying, in which obviously go for the Pro.
Just started back at College and went with the iPad Pro 13â. Reading textbooks is much more enjoyable on a iPad than a MacBook. Taking notes (Nebo) with the new pencil is also better on the iPad. The new keyboard is awesome, but does make it quite heavy.
Just get the m1 MacBook Air for writing assignments and a basic iPad for reading textbooks and annotating articlesâŠ
I totally feel the same. Checked out the M4 ipad at the apple store couple days ago, amazing hardware but I failed to imagine how i can take it into my workflow, nothing really justifies the $2500 price tag if they dont make it useful, instead of a bigger phone to me.
Phone is more useful than this toy
Yes! Since I just bought the IPad Pro
Dual boot please!
The problem is that say an iPad Pro M4 with 256GB, Both OS would take 100GB of that together
@@MattTalkTech Apple could always limit the feature to devices with enough storage or (although very unlikely) make the OS downloadable so that you could install the MacOS on an external drive.
@@MattTalkTech Make a rule to install MacOS on an external drive from apple themself with a special chip so you cant use any external drive. Its a win-win for apple selling external drives like apples.
I plan o buy the new 13" iPad Pro this year.
Awesomeđ
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Nice
I would like to see this, I donât think it would go as far as you are hoping. But, I would like to see the memory manager be the same, and the file system the same. Using the files app isnât all that friendly. But, if they would handle these things the same, it would make it so that native silicon apps would be easy to port. The pull down menus etc would have to be larger on the iPad Pro os. It would require an M series chip. I suspect that Apple has been using Logic and Final Cut Pro as examples on how they can translate the user interface. It may be a little early on that, but from what I saw on the updated apps that I saw, it seems that they are getting smarter on that.
This would also give Apple a chance to offer a 24GB version of the m4 for iPad and extract more money from us. đ€
No in an interview they stated the are a different device and they don't want it to be like devices its, its own machine
What would be awesome is if they added a button to the control panel that allowed ipads to enter Mac mode, similar to mobile browser option to switch to desktop mode. Iâm sure there would be logistical issues but itâs Apple, they can figure it out if they really want to.
I agree. Hybrid pls
THE APPLE Silicone developer MacMini had an A12Z running BigSurâŠ.so itâs been doable for a looooong time
Xcode needs to be running on iPad
This is very exiting to have a ipad os close to mac os and to use mac os apps on ipad, it will be very cool if they do it for all M chips ipad this will really justify the price and increase the sales of ipad, cant wait for this ipad os to release....
I use my M1 iPad Pro mainly for reading books. I use it during flights to check/reply to e-mail and texts, take notes. I occasionally use it to take notes or markup documents and images using the Apple Pen. It serves its purpose well, but I will never need or want a tablet to replace a far more powerful laptop.
Why do you have the pro version for these basis tasks?đ
@@lacafaca100 Why not? I can afford it and using an iPad is more convenient than a laptop to use in flight. Also, due to the potential to disclose confidential information I can't perform meaningful work in public settings.
@@gaiustacitus4242 i asked why pro version and not basic ipad or air (was not mentioning laptopâŠ)
@@lacafaca100 As I said, I can afford it. I typically don't buy low end hardware. If I encounter a task I need a more powerful device to run, then I already have it. Why buy something you may outgrow?
BTW, due to an abundance of caution when it comes to cybersecurity, I never sell off old equipment. This decision is based on having run a Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility (SCIF) for more than a decade. I'm aware that vulnerabilities in an OS are often detected after security updates have ceased and someone could access confidential data stored on the device. I find such risk unacceptable.
@@lacafaca100 The MacBook Air is a laptop.
So one thing Iâd like to see on them is the ability to update say like my Sony camera or canon cameras or other devices that need a computer to update them. My computer is way too old to operate and my 2017 iPad Pro is on the verge of just being completely out dated.
2 years ago they added virtual memory to iPad os. If they allow apps to run background tasks and allow multiple apps to access devices like audio and cameras, a lot of the complaints will be addressable. The current os is not friendly enough to true multitasking.
I have an 2015 MacBook Pro. And just bought the new iPad Pro 2024 13â and I think its the perfect setup for me right now. I just use my laptop if I need to download programs that arenât available for iOS.
How come only for iPad Pro??? iPad Air M2?? iPad Air M1?
Hope to god your right, need my Mac apps on iPad badly
If they do this Iâm definitely upgrading to the M4! I have an M2 now and not enough of a use case to upgrade to M4 but if you let me have MAC OS and iOS on the same machine then I am 1000% in.
same
Same. Apple doesn't want to because they would lose billions. Now you need two devices, why would they only want you tobuy one?
I would hope they would put the software on all M-series iPads
My vote is for mac os or a limited mac os on the ipad. Whatâs the point of these M series chips otherwise? I canât wait for the day I can ditch my laptop for an ipad instead of both.
you don't want full power utilization, that's an older paradigm when you needed to have max power for doing anything, now power is overflowing, you can run multiple games at the same time on these ipads, the benefit of not using full power is if one of those games crashes the whole ipad doesnt crash, you can force close the app and keep using the ipad, max power would mean freezing and black screens and bricking
as amed student am still happy with my 2018 ipad pro 12.9.still does the job
There is a rumour MacBook or Mac i forgot but they said there will be touchscreen will it fall or up đ€
I sure hope you're right, Matt! đ At this point, im 80% desktop and find that a laptop is still a bit too clunky for my mobile workflow. But an ipad pro that has better storage/retrieval and multi-app interface would move the bar for me using the ipad in a more professional capacity tyan i currently am using it for right now. That means an ipad pro would make sense. đ
I might actually consider buying it. It would be really useful for me if it can run blender
It would be really good if it comes
i know i need blender too for a personal project and my mac its at my friend he is repairing it
Apple should allow VMs to be used on the iPad Pro, and you could then side load the ARM Windows 11 and Linux to access the apps like KiCAD and Blender which arenât available natively.
My conjecture is this new iPad Pro OS will only work on the M4 iPad Pro, and some features will be released drip by drip to the lower-end iPads as the time progresses.
If they did that would be my deciding factor to get the iPad Pro. If not Iâm sticking with the old iPad Air I already have and my pc personally.
i was thinking of getting the new air or should i go for the pro ?
Wait for the new os to release and see some reviews. Then purchase.
Yeah wait for the new os event in mid July. But wouldn't have high hopes, every year I remain disappointed and would say you can do everything on the air you would on the pro ie watch netflix and browse the internet.
Ask yourself how will I use it?
Build your systems around how you use it rather than what they sell .
I fully agree that the M4 chip is underutilized on the iPad if it continues to run the current version of iPadOS. đ©
It would be fantastic if a hybrid OS could be implemented in the following way:
When using the iPad independently, it operates in standard mode (iPadOS); however, once the iPad is connected to the Apple Magic Keyboard for iPad Pro (or when a keyboard and mouse/trackpad are connected), the iPad could offer the option to switch to macOS mode. After detaching from the Apple Magic Keyboard for iPad Pro, the iPad would revert to iPadOS mode. I believe this would offer a remarkable hybrid experience! đ
Thumbs up if you like this idea.
I agree that a hybrid iPadOS for M series iPad Pro would be a game changer. It would hurt some MacBook sales but the new iPads with the Apple Pencil and the new Apple keyboard costs about the same.
My bet is the 'dividing line' is now, the m4 10-core/16GB (1 & 2 TB) will be deemed 'capable' and everything else will be locked to IpadOs. Moving forward, for the next 2 releases they will likely hobble all but the most premium models in a similar way (core locking/ram reduction), as justification to maintain the lock, and to give an incentive for people to shell out for the top tier model. Comply with demand in the way that maximizes their $... JMO
it would be a good experience on the 1 and 2Tb models since they have 16gb of ram... not quite sure the 8gb 256/512gb would be that good of an experience.
Iâve been thinking for quite a long time that Apple need to combine the iPad OS with Mac OS! It would be awesome to have a full touch screen Mac with a detachable keyboard style device, especially with all the power the new iPads have and able to use the various Apple pencils too!
I would love to have full fledged Microsoft office available on IPad Pro, with a real cursor. Also, a true desktop browser with a real cursor As a sales person, that would allow me to keep PC at home when I am on the road.
If they could make a Mac mini thatâs way smaller then the one now that could connect to the iPad and be able to use the Magic Keyboard I would be happy with just that.
If this hybrid OS could allow for productivity software (mainly Microsoft office) to finally have full desktop capabilities then I would be satisfied
The iPadOS on an iPad should evolve to incorporate features of macOS, fully utilizing the hardware and creating a new hybrid OS. This would eliminate the need for dual booting, offering the power of macOS in the form of a remarkable iPadOS on a tablet.
This would sell me on an iPad instantly! Fingers crossed for wwdcđ€
I would looooooovve the new M4 iPad
Ideal would be macOS mode when it is connected to magic keyboard and iPadOS when in tablet mode..
0.16 Ummm... Where's the app dock? The UI wouldn't have the MacOS vibe without the dock.
I would *love* Mac Mode or an iPadOS that can take more advantage of the M series chips. Your point about Apple not wanting people to pick between an iPad Pro or a MacBook is why I think even they are struggling with what to do with iPadOS.
I just want my first MacBook to code my own apps and share it with the world!
I donât understand how it is so elusive to many people: iteratively, Apple is building a Mac Surface device. The writing is so plain upon the wall that itâs now written in 84pt font in red with a giant neon blinking sign around it.
Haha, totally agree
There's a lot more to it. Designing an interface suitable for both touch and mouse+trackpad+keyboard is very difficult to do correctly. Apple does have insanely good designers but the design by definition will be a compromise. That is important because ever since Windows designed it for both tablets and desktops, windows has been terrible at both. It still lags in opening the start menu, notifications tray, windows overview... Opening file explorer, everything. This isn't completely the 2-in-1 design's fault and can be ironed out. But it does feed to the compromise and this will exist since both interfaces will need to be catered to. Additionally, the surface line is not a success or a compelling product to this day. Its nice and great for many users. I really wanted a windows tablet when the ones with windows 7 came out. But using windows 7 on a tablet didn't work because its not designed for touch. Windows 10/11 also don't work well with touch because again, not designed for touch. They are usable, but not as good as they used to be. Finally, what's the point? Using a touch screen makes sense for a tablet, but as soon as we take the touchpad and trackpad away from the ipad and surface laptop, using the surface laptop instantly becomes a chore. It turns out that users mostly use it as a laptop replacement which they can draw on (the drawing isn't that good on surface, definitely when compared to the iPad). If we're going to use the tablet as a laptop, use a laptop. Touching the screen of a laptop is only useful or fun when you've got the laptop on your belly while laying on the floor, or have the screen in your lap (keyboard on your belly) while sitting upright. I have had a few touch screen laptops including 3 surface devices. Surface laptop 2, 3 and surface book 2 15inch. The surface line to this day has not been worth the investment and the majority of them are really underpowered. I wanted to buy the surface studio (desktop) and came really close to spending a lot of money on it. It was really underpowred and users would say well its a small form factor in the base. How? The base was 3x thicker than any laptop (minus the lid) which would help with heat management significantly. You can easily fit a much larger heat sink in there and let it handle the extra heat. It was cost saving decision on the part of microsoft and fair enough. I love the 3:2 aspect ratio to this day. Fast forward to today, microsoft has replaced the surface studio (after a huge amount of r&d plus marketing), with a laptop called the surface studio. brilliant. and that laptop sucks too. They killed the surface book, killed the surface studio and windows has been dead since they stopped charging huge licensing fees for it. Having said all of this, iPad OS and iOS need a huge overhaul. They're too cluttered and not useful at this point (the software). It does need an experience which can parallel the laptop experience (as close as they can get with touch input). Finally, macos, ios an ipad os need their bugs fixed. It's long overdue. I find it hard to convince myself that I'm using an official release these days on ios and mac os in particular. My iPhone goes from insanely fast flying through everything to pentium then threadripper then celeron then i9 with every official update. Macos is not as bad but the hardware allows the os to be unoptimised and go unnoticed for a while. No heat, amazing battery, no noise, easy to forget those 0.2s extra delays on simple tasks. harder to ignore the visual bugs which are now plaguing ios and mac os. edit: I 100% support allowing mac os apps to run on the iPad. The experience will require a trackpad and mouse for it to be good, but would make a lot of iPad users really happy and be able to switch over to iPad os. This is made possible by the apple silicon as they're now all running the same architecture.
@@ZeerakImran I would be far more interested in your arguments as a person with Blindness if Apple hadnât broken all third-party accessibility software in 2017, but being as how theyâre still making all of the MacBook Pro and Air and iPad Air as well as the iPad Pro, I care about as much about all your personal experiences as Iâm sure you care about those of the Disabled community.
I think Dex has an almost perfect idea of how this should work.
@@jamesmarkham9740I agree; it is an imperfect bridge solution, particularly the 1.0 or 2.0 that weâre in now. I also think Dex is right. I also know that using an iPP as a laptop now, in this early stage of the product lifecycle, will be a compromise. But, as it appears the vast majority of these tech social media influencers are deeply ignorant of the issues of the Disabled community (which as of 2019 - pre-pandemic - were estimated as high as 1/5th the entire US population; so figure that the same estimate now if the data existed would potentially be 1/4 to perhaps 1/3), I am going to say that despite whatever small issues exist the huge game changer (which I suspect a few Apple Bros are actually pushing against if they were really honest, and if so for them they can collectively suck my âŠ) is having ostensibly an Apple personal computer running iOS accessibility software.
How about a dual boot? I have this on my Windows PC. One Terabyte or more on the iPad Pro M4? No problem to have two Operating systems. MacOS and IpadOS
That would be problem, the most popular iPad Pro/Airs Apple sell is the lowest Storage Options, so sadly not much space for both
@@MattTalkTech they could still make it available for the larger storage options. I would never buy a mac or ipad unless it was an ipad that allowed me to use true, full macOS.
@@connorelliott7881 Now you are talking Apple's language: Let's upgrade all the way up to the bigger versions with their super expensive RAMS and storage prices. Granted the double LED looks good, but it is ridiculously expensive. Might as well buy a Macbook by then, which is also what Apple want you to do.. it all runs in a circle.
@@MattTalkTech True Matt but I mean for the one terabyte M4s and up. Apple would sell many thousands and fewer MacBooks
Why even use Mac OS on iPad Pro? It's a Mac with just one dongle port. Let iPad be iPad, but let iPad have apps that can view and edit documents and collab with projects for that Mac connection.
If you want Mac OS you got MacBooks and some desktop models.
Mac OS is a mouse/trackpad based OS. Maybe you can use voice control also. I don't know if Mac OS will be a great experience on iPads with touch even if Apple will add that support...
Iâd love it if they either combined the two OSâs in a way that incapacitates the best qualities of the two OSâs. Failing that, just give us the ability to install the Mac OS on the iPad Pro at least. Give us incentive to but the 1 or 2 gig iPad Pro. Really donât see the incentive to play angry birds. Even the video editing software doesnât task the M1 iPads currently. With a Mac OS, weâd be able to install A1 games and play on our mobile.
IPad Pro M1 It needs to be hybrid to take advantage of Adobe programs, paying for an Adobe subscription forces you to use an imac or macbook pro if you work video
Here before the tickle monster đœđ„đ„đ„
The tickle monster?
if you buy ipad pro and apples keyboard they should allow you to get macos on ipad, no reworked ipados.. the reason for macos is the Apps that already is in macos.. mac can run ios apps, then why not viseversa?
also folders and opennes of macos
5:00 That's literally Stage Manager not a new MacOS mode.
This would be great and a hybrid MacOS that could do everything iPadOS does as well as the basics (including file management) of MacOS then I am in and will be purchasing an iPad Pro M4. However, I will definitely wait for iPadOS 18 Hybrid to come out before I purchase. Regarding Apple not wanting me (us) to pick either iPad Pro or Macbook, they want us to purchase both. Yeah, I know that has been happening. However, the price of iPad Pro M4 is major and more than a Macbook Air. Also, I would use the following: iPad Pro M4 with 1 TB and Magic Keyboard and Pencil Pro ($2300); Mac Mini Pro with I TB ($1500); iPad Mini ($650); iPhone 16 Pro Max ($1200); Apple Watch 9 ($430); AirPod Pro 3rd Gen ($250); all totaling about $6000 and Apple wants on top of that to purchase a Macbook (another $1500+). Really Apple.
Samsun better watch out, because if z fold 6 does not hit it. then i will switch because as a dex user it will be more useful.
Same end of May question each year since iPad Pro M1 was released. Unfortunately.
I'd say the "MacMode" would be tied to the magic keyboard pro rather than the M-chip - ultimately all iPads, including budget ones will be on M. The ipad would operate in iPadOS mode when not docked. That would make sense.
I donât think itâll be coming to anything before the M1. It would be nice. But they have M4s they have to sell. I wouldnât be one bit surprised if A12X/Z got shafted here
Iâd like mac os on the ipad because I canât afford an ipad, laptop & desktop. Ideally Iâd like an ipad for procreate (never used by really want an ipad for this reason) also love the portability & it could replace a laptop. Then i could buy a desktop.
We do not need another ui. We need cli. We need Xcode. We need VSC. We need homebrew.
Patents are interesting starting points. Iâd love to see a hybrid MacOS/iPadOS on the Pro iPads - heck the M2 iPad Air could run it too. I totally agree that the iPad Pro is overpowered for iPadOS so bring on the hybrid!!
if this is even true, i am really going to purchase one... i mean atleast they are able to utilize that m4
I think one of the biggest issues is that a Mac can bypass the App Store. A lot of the functionality we miss on iPad comes from apps not on the Mac App Store. So weâd need to download apps from the internet on an iPad. I canât see Apple giving up that level of control (and revenue)
Building on your logic, it is possible that the operating system will be shared between Mac and iPad as Apple introduces new products like Vision Pro and other glasses. Eventually, it's conceivable that Mac and iPad will merge into one product as we begin to interact with technology differently.
Will this come to M2 pro ipad too! , I have the 256gb M2 ipad, I really want to know, should I buy the new M4 one or M2 is still a good one to stay with?
As soon as they allow me to open a terminal, install software via homebrew, and control those software via a keyboard, I will buy one of those iPads. As it stands currently, my Chromebook (with the Linux terminal) is much more useful to me than my iPad 5 which is used only for stuff like CZcams and Netflix and some browsing and reading, all of which my Chromebook can easily do, and much more.
Itâs not about essentially do the same thing, it is about âsmootherâ âfaster loadingâ âzero stutteringâ and the whole âeverything runs so fast and smooth with the latest appsâ. Thatâs the difference between older generation and newer iPad. Apps have evolved, requires more power processing than ever which means requires more powerful chip. Simple as that.
Apple, if you read this, for thunder god, please keep optimised touch screen UX/UI. That MacOS UI on iPad is a nightmare! đą
I don't understand: The new IPAD OS Pro or Mac mode, it's just your own opinion or wish, or it's a kinda leak you've got somehow?
I thing it obvious now that some big software update will come to ipad
I have been waiting for something like this on the iPad. Since apple won't ever put a MacOS on the iPads, this hybrid would be great!
Although my personal hope was someway to connect to my Mac - like a glorified remote desktop.