Arvanites - The Founders Of Modern Greece
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- The ancient people of the Arvanites, a population group of Albanian origin in Greece, are known to have participated in, and organized the Arvanite uprising of 1821. For decades, their priceless and valiant contributions to gain independence and establish the modern Greek state, was rejected with a malicious intent to pluck out their race and language from the history books.
Although this video will show you a brief history of their culture, language and traditions, it will not show everything about Arvanites and their struggle for freedom. For those that seek a broader understanding, i highly recommend the books;
"ARVANITES - THE FOUNDERS OF MODERN GREECE" - by Arben P. Lalla,
www.academia.e...
"ARVANITES AND THE ORIGIN OF THE GREEKS" - by Aristidh Kola.
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What did Albanians 🇦🇱 have before the Ottoman invasion?
1. Albanians had a University in 1380 in Durrës. To give you an idea: Germany opened its first university, 6 years after Durrës (Heidelberg University).
2. Albanians had 6 fully developed cities as much as Florence, Venice, Marseille or Paris. (Durrës, Shkodra, Drishti, Lezha, Berat and Preveza).
3. Albanians had the aristocratic class with 8 noble families (Balshaj, Topiaj, Muzakaj, Kastrioti, Arianiti, Zebenishta, Spataj and Dukagjini) connected by marriage even with the Habsburgs and the Bourbons.
4. Albanians had the humanist philosophers, who with their genius ideas, were advisers to the imperial families in Hungary, Italy and Austria (Gjon Gazhuli, Pal Ungjëlli, Leonik Tomeo and Gjon Durrsaku).
5. Albanian cities had statutes and were governed by democracy while at the same time America for example it was governed by the Cherokee Indians or the Aztec tribes who still drank human blood and lived as cannibals.
6. In Durrës, intellectualism was so high that we have documented in the 12th century for the first time the note of protest of an Orthodox Metropolitan, who writes to Constantinople, against slavery, 300 years before it started as a debate in Europe.
7. In Durrës, trade was done even with Tunisia, Ukraine and France, since the 5th century. While at the same time for example the Scandinavian countries still lived by worshiping the tree or the mountain.
8. The Church of Albania had issued a Cardinal (and a cardinal was no small thing then).
What happened next? The Ottomans just came and for 500 years made that every Albanian forgot who they really were.
Ός Αρβανίτης πρέπει να σου πω ότι η προπαγάνδα χωρίζει τους λαούς. Αρβανίτες ήρθαν από την τότε βόρεια Ήπειρο όταν ήταν ακόμα ελληνική με εντολή του τελευταίου Δούκα υπό αμοιβή για να προστατέψουν τα νησιά από πειρατεία τον 13ο αιώνα ακόμα δεν υπήρχε αλβανικό κράτος ήταν σε νομάδες γνώριζαν τόπο και φάρα όχι χώρα έγιναν ένα πλήρως με τον ελληνικό λαό και το 1821 η απόγονοι τούς άρχισαν την επανάσταση πρώτη από τους υπόλοιπους Έλληνες λόγο ότι ερχόντουσαν από τα χαμηλά στρώματα που υπέφεραν πιο πολύ ποτέ δεν ξέχασαν την αρβανίτικη καταγωγή και πότε δεν σάς ονόμασαν Αλβανούς σας φώναζαν turkalbanian σε όλα τα κείμενα τούς. Σήμερα Απέχουμε πόλοι στο να είμαστε αδέλφια με την έννοια του dna στο νησί μου έχουμε πόλους Αλβανούς και το μεγαλύτερο ποσοστό είμαστε Αρβανίτες τα χαρακτηριστικά μας δεν έχουν καμία σχέση και αυτό το λένε και ίδιοι αν έρθεις Σαλαμίνα θα καταλάβεις παρόλα αυτά ζούμε στο παρόν και όχι στο 1821 τους αγαπάμε μας αγαπάνε και έχουμε και πόλους μικτούς γάμους σε αυτήν την γενιά.
The University of Durrës was a Venetian theological university with instruction in Latin. It had nothing to do with Albanian language. By using inaccurate information you undermine the very same ideas you are trying to promote.
@@history_repeats8201 Lets assume for the argument sake that the "Venetian theological university" was in Athens, would that make it more or less a Greek theological university?
@@ChildrenOfTheEagle no it will make it a Latin university since Venetian Universities instructed in Latin and Greek Universities would instruct in Greek. Currently, there is an American College and a French Academy in Greece. Neither is considered a Greek University.
Not only that, in order to have a university you need books. The earliest Albanian books were between 16-18 century and were mostly religious didactic content. As I said before, making claims with no foundation just leads folks to dismiss the whole argument on who were the Albanians and what they achieved.
@history_repeats8201 Of course lessons were given in Latin. That doesn't mean Albanian priests and munks did not speak and teach in Albanian. The Assembly of Durrës during the 14-15th century is important to point out becasuse that's when Durrës gave monks and professors to the entire Adriatic coast. One such is Gjon Durrësaku, Albanian btw, who became the first rector of the University of Durrës and Zara in 1396, as well as provincial of the province of Dalmatia in 1392-1398.
Then there's Andre Durrësak, lecturer at the University of Padova in 1434.
Andre Durrsaku, vicar of the presbytery of Dalmatia in the 1290s.
Domenik Topia, archbishop of Zara in 1367.
Andre Durrësaku Archbishop of Ragusa 1387-1393.
Jak Durrësaku, Provincial of the Province of Dalmatia in 1398.
Theodor Durrësaku, Representative of the Province of Dalmatia in the General Assembly of Rome in 1484. These are just a few.
Whether you believe it or not, the Albanian contribution to the "Latin University", as you want to call it, was quite extensive. As for books, well Gulielm Adam, archbishop of Tivar, wrote in 1332 that: "The Arbers have a completely different language from Latin, they have the Latin alphabet in all their books." So how much you know about their books is another matter in itself, but books there are in plenty.
I am arvanite from both my parents. I can tell you for sure that if you called my grand fathers Albanians they would kick your arse. People are what they feel. What you call Albanians were actually bilingual Greeks who called themselves Romioi. i.e Greek speaking Chsistian orthodox and hated the guts of the Tourkalvanoi which were muslim loyal to the ottomans, who collaborated with them. These are the modern Albanians and dont you dare to compare them whith my ancestors who spilled their blood for the liberation of Greece. The rest is pure propaganda.
I am 100% Arvanite as well and fully agree with what you say. One better doesn't dare to say to an Arvanite he would be Albanian.
All Arvanites are and have been Christian Orthodox citizens of the Eastern Roman / Byzantine Empire. As was the case with all populations / ethnicities of the Balkans and Asia Minor before the Ottoman conquest.
My Arvanite ancestors had to flee from their city located in today's Southern Albania (Βοσκόπολης, today Voskopojë) in 1772 because it was repeatedly attacked and burnt down by moslem Shqiptars and their Ottoman masters.
They escaped to Thrace (today's European part of Turkey) for a better future. Unfortunately, one more time they had to suffer, this time from harassments and prosecutions from the Young Turks in the early years of the 20th century. Belonging to the Christian Orthodox population they had to leave as refugees into the boundaries of today's Greece after the end of the war with Turkey and exchange of populations in 1923.
Never ever my Arvanite grand-parents did consider themselves as Albanians. If you would have told them so, you would have run severe risk of being slapped. Arvanites never bowed to moslem masters, they safeguarded their Eastern Roman / Byzantine identity and religion in spite of their sufferings, bravely fought for Greek independence and held top functions in the Greek state up to several Prime Ministers.
If there ever has been any commonality between those, who call themselves Albanians today, and Arvanites during the hellenistic, Roman and Byzantine periods, our history and identity starts irrevocably to split, at latest, after Kastriotis' death in 1468 and his heroic resistance against the Ottomans.
Ironically, it is those who largely converted to the religion of their new Ottoman masters thereafter (today's Albanians) that consider him as their national hero....
Has the "documentary" producer ever wondered why Kastriotis' flag had the double headed eagle - Albania's flag of today? He should take a look at the flag of the Byzantine Empire, whose 1.000 years existence ended with the fall of Constantinople in 1453 and conversion of Christendom's biggest cathedral into a mosque by the Ottomans.
Modern Albania and double headed eagle...irony here again. I rather accept - apart from Greeks - the Serbians, Russians referring to that symbol as Byzantium's cultural heirs.
Latest after Kastriotis' death, Arvanites started standing on opposite sides, they suffered and they fought against what they called from thereon Turkalbanians and their Ottoman masters. So, never anybody call us Albanians. We are not.
This for the history. Today, I believe most Arvanites have nothing against Albanians. The vast majority of Albanians integrates very well into Greek society, they typically are honest, hard working people and adapt well to the Greek culture. At least, this is what I can state from my experience.
@@stolgos8964 well said! Greek and Arvanites are more than brothers. We are the same. For more than a thousand years we are living, fighting and suffering along with each other, while for the exact same periods Albanians have always been subjects of Ottomans and enemies of Greece.
(Most of the modern day Albanians that live in Greece are integrated though and are very welcome to stay)
Both you are still sleep. Too much info out there go do some research u are 100% Albanian
@@stolgos8964 Just one question for you. Have you ever visited Arvanites of Italy? I suggest you to go and visit your Brothers and Sisters. Tell them if they are Albanians or Greeks ? They are the same as you, the same exact people, most of them have the origins in Morea (Peloponnese,Greece). By the way, muslim Albanians, especially the Tosk have never been aggressive toward christians and especially toward Orthodox Christians and you know why ? Cuz all the muslim tosk albanians know very well that their grand fathers were Orthodox. The tosk muslim albanians are not even sunni but Bektashi, a sort of mix of muslim and orthodox religion. They have always fight for their freedom and for thei national issue which was to be Albanian and to be Free! Maybe you should know more about greek priests at the time, those who publically cursed the Albanian language and were largerly supported by the ottoman authority. It is not a case that the only forbidden language in this aera was the Albanian language while greeks and serbs had all the rights to study in their mother tongue! We Albanians do not hate you even though you hate on us so muc but ironically hating on us your also hating yourself. Be Greeks, be Chinese, be Americans, be whatever you want my dear Arvanite brothers but at least do not hate your blood and your ancestry.
Arvanite here, and proud of my Albanian origins whether Greek bigots like it or not.
I'm a quarter Arvanitis from Euboea, a quarter Cappadokian and half Maniot, proud Greek and everything else! I love everybody.
I know that in Eboia (Evia) there are many arvanites living there in Kalkidiki, Marmara and Karistos. And to be sure there were proud to be of albanian roots.
Really you are Arberor. 😮Arvaniti ua super. Do you speak Shqip
@@farijeleka2890 sigurisht
@@farijeleka2890 I do not speak Arvanite, my grandmother from my mother's side who is Arvanite does not speak Albanian either.
@@SasGiou This is total nonsense. Languages do not get created when someone standardizes or changes an alphabet. Neither Albanian nor Turkish were "made" in the 1900's. Albanian is in fact one of the oldest languages in the world.
The worst you can do for one Arvanite if you call him Albanian or Turkalbanian … better run . Proud Greeks 🇬🇷.
Read the list below and learn some history
Johann Georg von Hahn 1811-1869: "The modern Greeks are, in the greater part, nothing more than Christianized Albanians."
Jacob Philipp Fallmerayer 1790-1861: "The Greek War of Independence was a "purely Shqiptarian (Albanian), not a Hellenic Revolution."
James Henry Skene 1812-1886: "The Albanians of Greece are called Arvaniti by the Greeks, and Arnaout by the Turks, but they call themselves Shqiptar."
Edmond About 1828-1885: "The Greeks are not Greeks; they are Albanians who have forgotten their mother tongue."
François Pouqueville 1770-1838: "The Souliotes, an Albanian race distinguished for their bravery and love of freedom."
Edward Lear 1812-1888: "The Greeks of the Peloponnese often use the term 'Arvanites' to refer to Albanian-speaking communities in their region, acknowledging their distinct cultural and linguistic heritage."
Lord Byron 1788-1824: "The Albanians in their dresses the most magnificent in the world."
William Martin Leake 1777-1860: "The population of Greece is composed of a great variety of races, among which the Albanian has furnished a large proportion."
William Martin Leake 1777-1860: "Throughout Greek history, the term 'Arvanites' has been used to identify Albanian settlers and communities in Greece, highlighting their cultural and linguistic connections to Albania."
Johann Thunmann 1746-1778: "The Greeks are made up of various races, among which the Albanian is not the least numerous."
Edward Daniel Clarke 1769-1822: "The Greeks of the present day are only the Albanians speaking a dialect of the ancient Greek."
Konstantin Jireček 1854-1918: "The ethnic composition of the Greek population is more diverse than commonly believed, with significant contributions from Albanians."
Louis-Félicien de Saulcy 1807-1880: "The ancient Greeks were not a homogeneous population but rather a blend of various ethnic groups, including Albanians."
Johann Jacob Reiske 1716-1774: "The modern Greeks are descended from a mixture of indigenous peoples and newcomers, including Albanians and Slavs."
Richard Pococke 1704-1765: "The Souliotes, a tribe of Albanian descent, maintained their independence in the mountainous regions of Epirus, resisting both Ottoman and local Greek authority."
Thomas Smart Hughes 1786-1847: "The Souliotes, a clan of Albanian descent, fiercely resisted Ottoman authority in the rugged mountains of Epirus."
Jacob Philipp Fallmerayer 1790-1861: "The Greeks are not direct descendants of the ancient Greeks but rather of Slavic and Albanian origin."
Karl Wilhelm Friedrich Schlegel 1772-1829: "The Greeks of his time were a mixture of various ethnic groups, including Albanians, who had contributed to the formation of Greek culture and civilization."
Karl Otfried Müller 1797-1840: "The ancient Greeks were not a homogeneous ethnic group but rather a blend of various peoples, including Albanians."
Pierre-Joseph Amédée Jaubert 1779-1847: "The modern Greeks are descended from a mixture of ancient Greeks, Albanians, and other Balkan peoples."
François Pouqueville 1770-1838: "The modern Greek population has diverse ethnic origins, including significant contributions from Albanians."
Edward Daniel Clarke 1769-1822: "The Souliotes, a fierce and indomitable race of Albanians."
Richard Chandler 1738-1810: "The inhabitants of Suli are Albanians, whose ancestors for several centuries have inhabited these mountains."
Lord Byron 1788-1824: The Souliotes are "Albanian giants, of the mountain-land, they were the foes of tyrants."
William Martin Leake 1777-1860: "The Souliotes, an Albanian tribe inhabiting the mountains of Epirus."
Sir John Hobhouse 1786-1869: "The Souliotes, a clan of Albanian origin, fiercely resisted Ottoman authority."
Henry Holland 1788-1873: "The Souliotes, a hardy and warlike race of Albanians, inhabited the rugged mountains of Epirus."
Frederick William Hasluck 1878-1920: "The Souliotes, a community of Albanian origin, fiercely defended their mountain stronghold against the Ottoman forces."
Edward Dodwell 1767-1832: "The Souliotes, a tribe of Albanians, have been long distinguished for their bravery and love of freedom. They inhabit a mountainous district in the north of Greece."
Johann Georg von Hahn 1811-1869: "The Greeks commonly refer to Albanians as 'Arvanites,' a term that has been used for centuries to describe the Albanian-speaking population residing in various parts of Greece."
John L. Comstock 1787-1858: "The Souliotes, a tribe of Albanian origin, have maintained their independence amidst the mountains of Epirus."
George Finlay 1799-1875: "The Souliotes, a hardy and independent race of Albanian mountaineers, inhabited the rugged region of Souli in Epirus."
James Emerson Tennent 1804-1869: "The Souliotes, a bold and warlike race of Albanians, defended their mountain fastnesses against the Ottoman forces for centuries."
George Gordon 1788-1824: "The Souliotes, an Albanian tribe renowned for their bravery and martial spirit, held out against overwhelming odds in their mountain strongholds."
Lewis Sergeant 1841-1902: "The Souliotes, an Albanian community, displayed remarkable courage and tenacity in their struggle against Ottoman domination."
Helen F. Glykatzi-Ahrweiler 1926-….: "The Souliotes, an Albanian-speaking people, were known for their fierce resistance against the Ottoman Empire."
William Martin Leake 1777-1860: "The Souliotes, believed to be of Albanian origin, were renowned for their courage and tenacity in defending their mountain strongholds against all adversaries."
John Cartwright 1740-1824: "The Souliotes, an Albanian-speaking community, fiercely defended their freedom and identity against the Ottoman Empire and neighboring Greek clans."
Thomas Allom 1804-1872: "The Souliotes, descended from Albanian stock, were known for their martial prowess and resistance against foreign invaders."
William Kelly 1811-1888: "The Souliotes, a tribe of Albanian lineage, held onto their independence in the mountains of Epirus, forging a distinct identity amidst the turbulent history of the region."
Sir Richard Church 1784-1873: "In Greek folklore and literature, the term 'Arvanites' has been employed to denote Albanians, reflecting the historical presence of Albanian-speaking populations in Greece."
Edward Everett 1794-1865: "The Albanians, renowned for their martial spirit and fierce independence, played a significant role in the Greek War of Independence, contributing both fighters and leaders to the cause."
Sir Richard Church 1784-1873: "In the tumult of the Greek War of Independence, Albanians emerged as key actors, their bravery and military prowess contributing greatly to the struggle against Ottoman rule."
Alexander Mavrocordatos 1791-1865: "Albanians, long oppressed under Ottoman rule, seized the opportunity presented by the Greek War of Independence to assert their own aspirations for self-determination, fighting alongside their Greek neighbors for liberty."
Edward Bulwer-Lytton 1803-1873: "The Greek War of Independence was a testament to the unity of purpose among diverse ethnic groups, including Albanians, who banded together in pursuit of a common goal: liberation from Ottoman tyranny."
James Emerson Tennent 1804-1869: "The Greek struggle for independence witnessed the participation of Albanians alongside their Greek brethren, demonstrating a shared desire for freedom from Ottoman rule."
Lewis Sergeant 1841-1902: "The Greek War of Independence cannot be fully understood without considering the impact of Ali Pasha's rule in the region.
Edward Gibbon 1737-1794: "The Greeks often refer to the Albanians as 'Arvanites,' a term derived from the Albanian word 'Arber' or 'Arberesh,' signifying their Albanian origin."
Richard Chandler 1738-1810: "In Greek folklore and historical accounts, the term 'Arvanites' is frequently used to denote Albanians living in Greece, reflecting their presence and influence in the region."
Edward Daniel Clarke 1769-1822: "The designation 'Arvanites' has long been employed by Greeks to refer to Albanian-speaking populations in Greece, underscoring the enduring presence of Albanian communities in the region."
Why are always the greek nationalists that speak on the arvanites behalf, i knew arvanites nostalgic to their roots and friendly to us albanians.
I now arvanites of greece migrated in Germany, they say all to my that they are 100% Albanian.
The Arberesh ( drscends of arvanite) in Italy say all that they are Albanian.
Albania was founded by Arberesh.
Arvanites are Albanians of origin, nothing will ever change that
@@lekdukaxhini3392no
I am pure Arvanite of origin, in fact 90% of the 5.000 inhabitants village, which I was born, are Arvanites whose ancestors had to flee from European part of Turkey into Greece.
I even understand quite a number of words Arvanitika from the years I grew up with my grand parents and I am aware that there are similarities to the Tosk dialect spoken in the southern parts of Albania, which by the way is populated by Greek minorities as well.
Never ever my grand parents would have stated they are Albanians. Neither spontaneously nor consciously. They were christian orthodox Arvanites and, as such, proudly felt as Greeks. Same goes with my parents (both christian orthodox Arvanites as well) and myself. Ask whoever Arvanite you want, you will get the same answer.
We feel 100% as Greeks and we would fiercely defend our country against any invader. With the same devotion as our Arvanite ancestors fought for Greece's independence against the Ottomans.
Yes, the contribution of Arvanites to the foundation of the Hellenic state has been fundamental. Not only numerous freedom fighters but also up to the highest positions with a number of Prime Ministers. How, in god's sake, does it come to anybody's mind that we would feel Albanian?
Stop usurping our ancient illyric / hellenic / eastern roman / orthodox christian identity by trying to twist Arvanites into modern day Albanians. Aren't you modern day Albanians aware that you are the descendents of Eastern Roman / Byzantine Christians who after Kastriotis' heroic resistance and death in 1468 sided with the Ottoman occupiers with most of you converting to Islam and repeatedly turning against us Arvanites in the name of your new moslem masters? That we, Arvanites, fought against you and your masters during the Ottoman times and the war of Greek independence? How can you dare to claim we are modern day Albanians?
We don't identify with Albanians. We are orthodox Christians, descendants from the Eastern Roman / Byzantine Empire, who never bowed to moslem masters and proud Greek citizens, the cultural heirs of the Hellenic / Eastern Roman / Byzantine era. Fullstop.
You have the right to consider yourself whatever makes you feel better. That's your human right. In the video I never once consider modern Arvanites as Albanians even though I personally have met Arvanites that do and don't considers themselves as Albanians.But to claims that Arvanites back in the day were never Albanians, are nothing more demonizing racist.
In my opinion, racism is exactly the contrary: It is the concept of DNA and alleged bloodline which leads to racism. Which seems to be the theoretical foundation of the storyline in a number of so-called "documentaries" dealing with Albanian history (and not only...).
People in the Balkans, Asia Minor etc. have been mixing all the time in the past. Especially if you did not have to change your religion, which in those past centuries was much more of a dividing line than the notion of being Armenian, Greek, Serb, Bulgarian, Shqiptar, Vlach etc. Not to speak of the "nation", which is a rather new concept dating from the French revolution and which did not exist before.
An Arvanite would marry with any other Christian ethnic group but never with what they called a "Turkalbanian" or any other Moslem.
As the ancient Greeks said: You don't become Greek by birth (blood). You become Greek by sharing the respective culture, worship of same gods (i.e. religion), language and education. What could be more of an open society and less racist than that?
How many Greeks can claim they have a pure Hellenic bloodline throughout more than 2.000 years? How many Turks can claim they have a pure Central Asia DNA, which they came from almost 1.000 years ago? How many of today's Persians, French, Germans, Spaniards etc. can claim being "pure"? Probably a very tiny minority, which won't be able to prove it anyway.
Therefore, such concept sucks and is of very little meaning. What matters is what you identify with and you feel loyal to.
Well is millions Arvanites(Arbëresh) who left Peloponnesus after ottoman occupation,they still keeps the Byzantine flag 🦅🇦🇱🦅,Arvanitis are the people who speaks Arvanitika,not the Caucasian Pontic Greek south Russia.😊
Il sangue è sangue
Ci sono corvi che vogliono diventare aquila. Ma il corvo rimane corvo e la aquila rimane aquila. Adesso non possiamo fare niente. Perche ti hanno docttrinato da secoli. E la Grecia vi deve. Ci deve il sangue versato. Ma lascia se tropo stupido per spiegarti cosa hano fato i zionisti. Per fare la Grecia con il sangue e uomini albanesi. Come ti senti e un altra cosa ma cosa sei e un altra io sono italiano cittadinanza. Ma il mio sangue era è e rimane Albanese. E ne sono fiero .perché siamo ancora qua.
Non dividere i albanesi in tosc geg myzeqe. Muslimano ortodoso cattolico. Siamo uno sangue del Scanderbeg Sangue del Pirro e Di Teuta
My Albanian friend sent it to me. As Ukrainian, I don't regret that saw it and see very many historical similarities between us
What ?
@@aegeanmapping I say that Ukraine and Albania have similar history
@@user-sm5um8hz4e what is similar ??
@@aegeanmapping trials to destroy nations, ethnical cleanings, genocides, fights against the strongest countries, assimilation of land which is not included in borders of countries (like greece in this video, Kosovo etc. And Ukraine with Kuban, Starodub, Holm, Transdisteria, Belgorod, Taganrog and Rostov
@@aegeanmapping Ingenerally histories are similar because struggles for independence and trials to assimilate people in empire
Watching this video makes me even more proud to be Arvaniti, thank you.
how does your family live with the arvanite identity regarding their albanian origin and how do they feel about the "greekness"policy by the greek government? im very curious 😅
Why Albanian Arvanites are so scared of Greek government?
@@markosbotsaris32 talk talk talk, the time will teach you.
@@markosbotsaris32 accept the truth… hahaha says a New-Greek.
@@user-db8ht2hg9k Arvanites are Albanians and you're just an obvious Greek hater here. Good luck!
Propaganda at its finest...Albanians sided with Turks and killed Arvanites and now you claim them?? No,Albanians has nothing to do with Greece and Arvanites are Greeks.
So what Ottoman Albanians also fought against Albania and his independence! Ottoman Empire! Albanians became Slaves of this Empire! No Albanian Education and Byzantine Church that had Autonomy didn’t accept an Albanian Church officially! It was a fight against Albanian Ethnicity from all sides ! South Slavs didn’t accept Albanian Christians that sided with them they destroyed them later like Greece also did ! Arvanites spoke Albanian but today it became taboo to speak about them and their ethnicity in Greece! It’s not the fault of Greek people you became also victims of the chauvinistic Megali Idee!
Arvanites are Albanian
@@katerinatsoliakou235 i like your albanian surname 🤣🤣🤣
@@katerinatsoliakou235 Ζητημα να καταλαβες το σχολιο μου.
I’m the proof that you’re an ignorant liar. My grandfather it’s from Souli. And I’m proudly orthodox Albanian. Since you stated Albanians killed Arvanites which Arvanites my ancestors killed?
One difference between arbanites and albanians is that we arbanites know that we are Greeks and albanians don't know it
Ti nuk e din as si fliste gjyshi yt.🖐
Ironically, you call yourself, Greek 🤣🤣 but your native language says something completely different
You wish that you was arvanite AKA albanian...you must be another anatollian gypsie claiming to be arvanite...
Albanians and arvanites are the real native ancient greeks. Greek is the penunsila… but presently to say greek suggests current greeks, we want to prevent that comparison to not suggest that our nationality is greek
What are you saying doesn’t make any sense… you putting it like Albanian and arvanitës/arbëresh/arbëror/arvnaut/arbanasi doesn’t mean the same thing. It is the same f thing it means Albanian. And no we are not Greeks,but you are though because you live in Greece and been assimilated you didn’t had a choice, it is sad.
I am sorry,as a Greek Arvanite,this is complete Albanian propaganda. This is not historically true in many aspects and the author of this video essay simply states lies in many parts. If you want the truth,ask an Arvanite,not Albanians
Arvanites are Albanians of origin, nothing will ever change that. A simple search on Google or Chatgpt will help you find this information.
You seem brainwashed, so Arvanites are not of Albanian origin???
Us, Romanians we understand your struggle, similiar thing happened to us, foreign nations trying to falsify history, to weaken us so that so we forget what a powerful people we are. We are brothers, and share the same Pelasgian roots, this is why our languages are similar. Much love from your vlach brothers and sisters. Stay strong! 🙏🏻🤗🇷🇴🇦🇱
Yes is very true that Dacia and Illyrians were of the same origin
@@ermirmehmeti7697 Both of you should do a DNA test and learn who is your father.
@@skeptim8096 Genetics aren't ethnicities, I think you mess up something, all Mediterranean people have same genes Romanians Greeks Albanians Italians and southern Balkans
@@blackpill7856 Just no. It seems that you are the one that have messed some things. A nation is formed based on some factors. One of them is the same genetics shared among the people who live in this nation.
Genes have names and they differ per area. And no, Greeks have not the same genetics with either Italians (close but not same) or Romanians. (Romania is not even mediteranean.) But what about you and the neo Turks? guess with which specific gen you are related to.
@@skeptim8096 There is no such thing as Greek DNA as DNA is simply not based on nationalities. Btw Greeks are so heavily mixed and dont have a specific gene to relate. Guess to which you strongly belong to.
You tend to see only the Arvanites being involved in the war but there were people like Maniots and Tsakonians who contributed as much as Arvanites did. And I don't even mention Crete, aegean islands and other greeks who lived abroad etc.
Helene Ahrweiler: Arvanites or Albanians of Greece / ALB GOD
czcams.com/video/UQfkLWmaTs0/video.html
95% of the people in the war were arvanites so why mention the others?
He did say that out of 100 heroes, 90 were arvanit, which means the other 10 were of other ethnicity. Plus, this documentary is to acknowledge the role of the arvanite in the Greek history. Cheers
@@Flavor88Arvanites made a tiny contribution to the war of indepedence but bevause Albanians were ottoman dogs the love fabricated history.Leave tour microcosm, come to realiry and realise onlt Botsaris was an Arvanite from the Souli.
@@Psolaras22 lol being created by albanians and calling albanians "ottoman dogs", only a "greek" would do. Sure buddy, keep living your lie
Arvanites (11% of the Greek population ) fought for the freedom of Greece killing many Turkalbanians in 1821 and many traitors Chams in 1944-45.
Thats the historical truth. Arvanites have a Greek conscience and nothing can change that.
Αδελφε , ενας αρβανιτης σε ενα σχολιο εγραψε οτι οι αρβανιτες ειναι το 1% του πληθυσμου της ελλαδος Καλο ειναι να ξεκαθαρισουμε και τι ακριβως ειναι ο αρβανιτης
Εγω ειμαι απο ηπειρο απο τα συνορα και ξερω οτι στην νοτια αλβανια οι τραγουδιστες τραγουδανε σε 4 γλωσσες .Ελληνικα , βλαχικα, αλβανικα και σλαβικα .Ολοι αυτοι τωρα στα σχολια ειναι ελληνες
γενιτσαροι(τσαμηδες) , που μιλαγαν μονο ελληνικα και ειναι η πλειοψηφια .Αλλοι εχουν ως μητρικη τα βλαχικα , αλλοι τα σλαβικα και αλλοι τα αλβανικα . Ολοι αυτοι στα σχολια ειναι μουσουλμανοι
που παιζουν ενα πολιτικο παιχνιδι .Πουλανε 'αλβανιλικι' που δεν υπαρχει
Δεν θελω να σε στεναχωρησω ,αλλα το χωριο μου ειναι κοντα στα χωρια του σουλιου
Ουτε ο μποτσαρης , ουτε ο τζαβελας ηταν αρβανιτες .Και στις λεγομενες 'φαρες' μονο ενα επιθετο
ειναι αλβανικο .Τα αλλα δεν ειναι .Μη μου πεις οτι ο κουτσονικας ηταν αρβανιτης ;
Και τους 'τσαμηδες' τους καθαρισαν πολλοι απο το χωριο μου , που ηταν στον ζερβα και δεν ειχαν σχεση ουτε με αρβανιτες , ουτε με βλαχους ουτε με τιποτα απο αυτα.Ξερω τι σου λεω.Απο το χωριο μου ηταν ο πιο γνωστος καπετανιος της ηπειρου του 1912 .Καμια σχεση με 'αρβανιτες' ,'βλαχους' .Ουτε καν με σαρακατσανους
Του εγραψαν λοιπον ενα τραγουδι που λεει κατι τετοιο περιπου ' καπετανιε , μαζεψε βλαχους απο
την θεσπρωτια , την θεσσαλια και πολεμα '. Το οτι ενας βλαχος θελησε να του γραψει ενα τραγουδι
δεν σημαινει οτι ο καπετανιος ηταν βλαχος .Τα 'πρωτοπαλικαρα' ηταν θειοι του παππου μου και το χωριο , αδελφε, δεν εχει και την καλυτερη γνωμη γι' αυτους .Δεν λεει κανεις οτι δεν πολεμησαν οι αρβανιτες , αλλα και αυτο τωρα ηταν ολοι αρβανιτες , ενταξει ειναι λιγο τραβηγμενο
Arvanites are Albanian indigenous is western Greece part of Albania.
@@southepirote7676
yeah? lol .
If the Albanians want, they can test their rage again.
Arvanites Are Albanian.
They didn’t fight for the freedom of Greece. They fought for their own freedom. And what happened after is that they were forced to change their identity and hate their origin and blood as if it was a crime. The same thing happens today where greek government treats albanian immigrants as if they were guilty of being albanian. They teach them that albanians are turks, u educated, criminals and all the bad things. The result us that albanian immigrants in Greece deny their origin because they feel embarrassed. The same thing happened with arvanites and souliotes.
Being albanian is not embarrassing, we are proud to be one of the most ancient population and one of the most peaceful populations who never attacked any other country and never started a war!
vërtet dokumentar i mrekullueshëm, te lumte per punen qe ke be👋🏻👋🏻👋🏻
O vlla ca thot nket rast sjam mir me anglishten,kujt i jep drrejt shqiptarve apo grekve,KU e perkufizon iden..un jam shqiptar mo's shif emrin ska lidhje
E pasqyron realitetin dhe u jep te drejte shqiptareve
@@angelogounaris2537 shqiptarve vlla, ata gjithmon shqip kan fol ne Greqi edhe ne per raste Politiker, por Russia edhe Prince Otto e kan ndalu gjuhen shqipe dhe kan vra Prifta Shqiptar
@@Arber-4673 nrml shqipes jan heq drrejtat perher per arsye se muslimant dhe ortidokst kan qen nmas ortodoks me kuptimin dhe sllave,
Dhe n'koen mas vdekjes skenderbeut ban pakt rusia me turqin
Gjith veneve ortodokse dhe sllave mo's i hiqni fen dhe gjuhen dhe turqit e pranun Kte.
Pranaji shqiptaret u kthyn shumic muslimane se Su perfshin npaktin rusi turqi
Dhe turku majti gjith ballkanin me dhun e me vrasje por vetem shqiptaret u kthyn nfe arabe fatkeqisht dhe kjo esh arsyja sot e fukarallukut apo perbuzjes nga evropa dhe lanja jasht bashkimit evropian
I knew the story for the most part, it was just missing a video where the story is completely summarized. Thank you brother good health and a long life. Greetings to everyone share the video.
@Besa-Bese Thank you so kindly for your generous donation! You're truly a son of the Eagle!! 🦅
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During the Greek revolution of 1821,Arvanites together with the rest of Greeks,were fighting against the Otthoman Turks and their Albanian allies.
ju lumt per ket material !
Albanian history will not be forgotten
Ofcourse.
1. Albanian nazi division 21st Waffen Mountain Division of the SS Skanderbeg that was disbanded cause of warcrimes. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/21st_Waffen_Mountain_Division_of_the_SS_Skanderbeg
2. Albania signed to become protectorate of Italy and aided Italy to invade Greece. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_protectorate_of_Albania_(1939%E2%80%931943)
3. Ottoman commander Mustafa Paşa Buşatlı of Skhodre along with 10000 Albanians tried to quell the Greek revolution. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Karpenisi
@@skeptim8096 I'm so sorry but Albanian history isn't only SS Skanderbeg and something like that, so sorry😂😂😂😂
@@shqipemalesore2620 Ofcourse. "Click Read more" and you will find out more.
@@skeptim8096 bad blood
@@shqipemalesore2620 What's wrong with Skanderbeg Division? Germans made modern Albania, just like they made modern Greece a state from the Ottoman empire... Germans (Austrians included) hate Slavic people, and wanted to bring up another "race" in South-Eastern Europe... first they "discovered" Greece... and sponsored its revival in 1821 with money and everything they could, along with the British and French. Germans gave Greece the first king Otto in 1832... and later in 1913 they gave Albania another king, Wilhelm von Wied. It is logical that Albanians would side with the Germans... don't forget that Germans made Great Albania a reality long before the war in Kosovo in 1999 and Kosovo's independence after the NATO bombardments on Serbia.
Thank you the history of my people. Your videos make me more proud to share the same bloodline!!! 🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱
I watched the entire documentary and to be honest this documentary confused me. At the beginning I thought it was going to talk about the Arvanites, their contributions to building a Greek nationhood But it changed into something different. I am a proud Arvanite Greek but honestly this is quite a pro Albanian propagandist documentary. You are using the Arvanites to push a pro Albanian narrative. I didn't like that. But I guess this is a children of the eagle channel. Respectfully, an Arvanite Greek.
What albanian propaganda, only historical facts.
We are ok with you being a pround greek unless you start pulling out some ahistorical fabbrication about the origine of arvanites and their language.
Like they were greeks from northen epiros or some pelasgian crap or Aliens from sirius.
thats exactly what he meant @@lekdukaxhini3392 nationalistic propaganda... yes Arvanites are and were greek form ancient times... even if you dont like it... what you dont like even more is that you might have also genetically a big connection to greeks...
They are anthropologically and traditionally Doric Greeks from Arvana, anthropologically. Arbanon have never been Shqipetar, this is a literal communist creation.
Nikolas, this documentary might stretch into the Albanian side, but what if you take out the "self proclaimed" identity as Greeks or Albanians, or an identity imposed by Great powers such as Russia motivated by orthodox identity, the Bavarians who were philellenes, and the British who's main motive was to keep Muslim occupation of Europe at bay or at least under control, then, what remains after that ?
It is the language and the traditions, right or wrong ? What do you think ?
Religion was, is, and still remains the enemy of the people as it is the first weapon of choice through which brother tribes are divided into fractions, be it Greeks, Albanians and etc. and used for other purposes.
A question descendants of Arvanite people should ask themselves is: Why Arvanitika is not taught in schools in Greece, and why Greek history books are not written in Arvanitika ? Why ? Why you as descendant of Arvanite people do not speak this tongue ?
What is keeping you from speaking it ? Why Arvanitika is not kept as a written language in Greece ? Yet it survives in the traditions and customs of our ancestors.
I might answer the question, in part, for you: It is that you feel Greek, which is ok, same as you described, also your parents felt, as consciously Greek "orthodox".
Maybe unbeknown to you, you are identifying yourself religiously, and not necessarily based on you bloodline, since you are refusing to carry Arvanitika, your mother tongue to your offspring. Am I wrong ? So, respectfully, you are doing your ancestors a disservice by deleting a very important part of your genealogy. Jewish people would cringe on the idea to delete their past identity just because some of them belong to a certain religious sect withing their genealogy, even though they also may have strong religious feelings connected to their past. Right or wrong ?
To my Bible acquired knowledge, Arvanite people where among the first people in the North-East Mediterranean that accepted Christianity as their non-pagan based religion, and Apostle Paul mentions this in the Bible.
The ancient Greeks of Athens did not, initially, accept or adopt Christianity due to the multitude of "pagan gods" they had and famously said to apostle Paul: we will listen to you again in another time.
A huge chunk of Arvanite people were forced to accept Islam by sheer force, overpushed under punishment by the Ottomans, and we know this fact very well. This is the start that split between Arvanite people into Muslim Arvanite, which some call Turk-Arvanites vs Orthodox Arvanite who proudly from then on identified as Orthodox Greeks and started the split between Arvanite brothers.
How evil was the ideator of religious dividing fractions is beyond words.
You might even call it "evil-genius" as far it is concerned. Why ?
Because to an Orthodox Arvanite the idea was that his own Arvanite brother with Muslim identity, acquired under risk of extinction from the occupying ottomans was beyond hatred and worthy of less than extinction just because they now were identified as Muslims and seen as Ottomans and not as a brothers anymore.
Arvanite brothers, forced or not, into different religious identities, and under enormous propaganda on both sides from perpetrators with evil interests, now started killing each other, all the while, ultimately with the victorious side now, strangely enough (hint) was stamped by Great Powers, and not necessary by how an Arvanite identified with, religiously speaking.
More powerful players decided the fate of smaller tribes like the Arvanite which were dispersed and divided by the occupying powers like the ottomans.
The problem, created by religious divisions Muslim-Arvanites vs Orthodox-Arvanites, is when people do not keep their Ancestors language and traditions alive and well, is purely created for evil purposes by religious fractions and doctrines and this problem is alive and strong to this day, used to create more hatred and divisions.
And here we come full circle again, at which point it becomes a bit boring but nevertheless a very important question:
What happens if the two sides of Arvanites refuses to identify as a particular religious clan ?
The only identifying points then remain intact is the language and non-religious traditions.
So, yes, keeping the Arvanite language alive, is a legacy we are both obliged and responsible to carry to newer generations, and even if this means defying religious identity for the sake and honor to our ancestors.
@@hellenicnationalism7608arbanon was the old word for Albania from arberia Shqiperia is a name we adopted later on to honour the eagle 🦅 aka our flag 🇦🇱 eagle people
thank man for opening my eyes and soul ,i m an albanian who grew up in they baptized me and told me that albanians are people of lower class stupid etc etc and yes i neglected the fact that i was albanian till one day i rebelled to myself and got back my real identity,i ve been told lies in school about history they portray us albanians as rats of turks (turk albanians) but now i know the truth and for years i’ve been angry towards them but not anymore today after this video i’ve been sad and also proud about my people Arvanites ❤ love you
I truly commend you for acknowledging the truth what the Arvanites community had to endure over the centuries!
A famous Albanian proverb says, "Lies has short legs. Sooner or later, the truth will catch up to them."
@@ChildrenOfTheEagle thank you brother :)
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@@TonyTony-ks3gu we albanians - arberesh(italy)-arvanites(greece)-arnaut(turkey)-albanians(kosovo,macedonia) - ALL SAME BLOOD ! WE ARE FAMILY ,so how can i hate greeks when a lot of them have albanian blood without even knowing it ? how can i hate my family ?
@@numero-_-uno jam 🇦🇱me ❤️
the truth never die, thank's bro
This version of Albanian history has for centuries been disputed by many ancient scripts much older than those you are quoting in this video.
you can read all the scripts you want. nothing changes the fact that all epirus/illyria/macedonia spoke the same language. greek was not the language they spoke
@@thisoldpod so why are there Ancient Greek archeological sites in modern day Albania and North Macedonia?
@@paulturner9542 so they could steal more history
@@paulturner9542 All the architecture of ancient Rome was influenced by Greek culture and the same thing happened in those sites you are talking about. Would you call the Roman ruins Greek? If you have no expertise for this, don't talk nonsense.
Those Greeks you are taking about were most likely Illyrians as well. Greek did not exist back then. Remember that Dorians came from the North and settled to the south as well. Hellenes is a synonym for Illyrians, they both have the same meaning basically - The star people.
Arvanites come from Arvanon, not Arber as confusingly displayed, which lies by the region west of lake Ohrid, between ancient Epirus and Macedonia. They are Epirot Greeks of ancient Doric descent as we can trace their origins back to the Aeacid dynasty and Pyrrhus. Duding the Eastern Roman Empire, Arvanite royals were rulers of Dyrrachio, defending Epirus against Norman and Slavic invaders. Attaliates and Komnini provide clear distinctions between Arvanites and Albanians, the latter believed to have come from Caucasus as they emerged invading from the north. During 10-14th Arvanites and Albanians co-lived in the area which resulted to Arvanites becoming bilingual. Following the decline of the Empire between 13-15th, Roman rulers invited Arvanites to guard their southern castles from the Ottomans since they considered them elite warriors among the Greeks. Despite that they spoke Arvanitika, Arvanites kept their Epirot traditions from their homeland Arvanon strong and intact throughout the centuries under ottoman subjugation. It should be emphasized that Arvanite vocabulary does not include the terms "Skiptar" and "Skiperia", national names of Albanians and Albania respectively. Also Arvanites were famous for their hate towards “Turkalbanians”, /since while the rest of Greeks saw them only as “traitors” and “profiteers” who had abandoned their faith and culture in favour of personal gains and privileges, Arvanites considered them foreign invaders who had grasp their indigenous lands. Arvanites are ethnic Greeks, not Albanians.
I'm a proud Greek as anyone but I also love my history. I have read historical documents from the era.
Throughout the middle ages the Arvanites in Greece were referred to as Albanians (mainly). I am reading Finlays history of Greece written in the 1850s. He clearly refers to them as Albanians. The first Ottoman census in the 1400s describes them as Albanians living in the Peloponnese. Their names, language, villages were all Albanian (just like the Ancient Macedonians were Greek). It is only in the last 150 years that the name Arvanite became more widespread.
@@nicks6096 which source referred to Arvanites as Albanians?
Regarding the idiom of the word Arbër, Arvanite or Arnavut is typically specific to the Albanian language and culture. One of the earliest known references to the Albanian people can be found in an ancient Illyrian inscription from the 2nd century AD, known as the Tabula Peutingeriana, which refers to Albanoi. Sure, Michael Attaleiates did mention that the Albanians MAY have come from the region of the Caucasus Mountains, but he didn't mention when the Albanians migrated from that region. So the "Caucasus" argument is not that scientific. What is scientific however, is the studies of the genetic marker of E-v13. This DNA marker, which is found at high frequencies among Albanian populations, can easily attest to when and where the marker migrated from and where it settled. These studies have suggested that it may be linked to the spread of the Illyrian language and culture in the region during the Bronze Age, which means that Albanians are related to Illyrians by blood, language, culture and geographically.
@@ChildrenOfTheEagle The city/area of Arber has no connection either linguistic, historical or geographic with the region of Arvanon. Mount Arvon is an ancient Greek toponym and was mentioned for the first time by Polybius (203-120 BC). On the other side, Albanian historical presence in the region was first documented in the late 14th ce, which coincides with the arrival of Ottomans Turks in the Hersonissus of Haemus. The hypothesis of Illyria connection to Albanians was introduced as propaganda to the Albanians by Austro-Hungarians and Italians during the beginning of 20th ce in order to make Albania a vassal state (Mussolini 1938). Till now, there is no historical, archaeological or linguistic connection between ancient Illyrians and Albanians (even Matzinger, one of the most influential and prominent Albanologist denied this claim). As of Albanopolis, scientists still haven’t verified its location while Ptolemy has provided us with a detailed description of “Albaniae Pilae” located by the Caspian Sea in Schirvan and Derbent or Derven. Arvanites are a prime example of how Albanians conquered lands from the autochthonous Greek Epirots.
Epirote exactly, therefore ALBANIAN!
My Arberor brothers, we must not forget! BLOOD 🩸 IS THICKER THEN WATER!
It is not to late to unite. 🇦🇱🩸🇦🇱🩸🇦🇱🩸🇦🇱 in the name of ZEU’ (Zot’i 🦅
For a nation that talks alot of proberganda and tries to steal another country's history why is it that albania is one of the weakest country's in Europe and hasn't contributed anything to mankind except for the arvanites who helped the greeks get independent and most of them say they are proud greeks .And they also fought against the ottoman muslim albanians .Try to better your country now and look ahead rather than look back in time and try to alter history that is recognised all over the world. Wake up
Good point Christian Arvanites, Spartans, Epirotans, Macedonians etc must not forget that you were persecuted by the Muslim Albanians, Spartans, Epirotans, Macedonians, Slavs so called Turks and you fought for the liberation of Greece
As an italian, i will always be proud of living near this amazing country and people🙌🙌🙌🇬🇷🇮🇹
Albanians are stealing greek history, we should intervene.
@@AlEx-jk8kg you should learn history a little bit and understand how Greece was created in 1821!
@@zouzou6358 Ancient greeks.
@@AlEx-jk8kg hi mister italian youtubeing lately greek historians they telling haw greek modern become as a state and he's bin build by albanian dig up bit on your name as you cal your self you tuber and you will see by GREEK HISTORIANS AND WHAT THEY SAYING ABOUT THERE COUNTRY AN WHO BUILD GREEK SO CHECK GREEK HISTORIANS WHAT THEY SAYING THAN HALF OF GREEK PARLIAMENT IN 19 CENRTRY WAS ALBANIANS I'M NOT SAYING THAT BUT GREEK HISTORIANS .
@@zouzou6358 Ur a clown😂
Albanian university professor Mark Markou: “The double-headed eagle on our flag is Byzantine, it does not represent us”
Only if you are Tourkalvanos. Arvanites respect that symbol because is the symbol of the lost Empire
The Albanian flag is of pagan origin.
@@AhnenerbeDE "He adopted the similar BYZANTINE imperial flag, with the double-headed eagle and the red background, and his victories brought him the papal title Athleta Christi.[5]"
wiki/Flag_of_Albania
@@vangelisskia214 The emblem mostly associated with the Byzantine Empire is the double-headed eagle. It is not of Byzantine invention, but a traditional Anatolian motif dating to Hittite times, and the Byzantines themselves only used it in the last centuries of the Empire.[11][12] The date of its adoption by the Byzantines has been hotly debated by scholars
You stole it from the turks bruh
@@panosk8805🫵 Caucasian Pontic Greek south Russia
You have Kapodistrias as an Arvanite, which is the focus of this video, however he wasn’t. His paternal family originated in Slovenia and emigrated to Corfu in the 13th century, becoming fully hellenised, converting to orthodoxy and hellénising their name. His maternal family originated from Cyprus, moved to Crete following the Ottoman invasion and then settling in Epirus. You realise that doesn’t mean he is an Arvanite right?
He is. Their original surname was Gjika which is a typical surname only found in Albania (typical for the Vlora area).
@@albarmy1 what are your sources?
@@paulturner9542 he is blood related to Dora D'Istria. Capodistria means chief of Istria which is the peninsula on northern Adriatic sea between Croatia and Slovenia.
Greeks do recognise that fact but they do not mention that their original surname was Gjika or Gikas (in greek language) and they were albanians. A branch of this family moved towards Macedonia and later to Romania where they became powerful noble family which had many prime ministers and voivodes.
It' is sad that you guys don't know these facts but you only get brainwashed by the fascist greek state. Even some greek historians have accepted that his family did not originate from Corfu but rather in mainland southern Albania.
@@albarmy1 Kapodistria family was of Italian lombarde origin and got the Surname Istria beacuse they ruled the city of Istria. WHAT KIND OF FAIRYTALES DO THEY TEACH YOU IN ALBANIA?
@@Dynamo_Kyiv_Fans_Peristeriou this is exactly what I'm saying, except that he is of no italian but rather albanian origins. it's ok from greek to italian, you are one step closer to the truth. it's hard to realise when you have been brainwashed since kid by the verified neo-nazi state of Greece. Have you taught history in Golden Dawn's University or what? :D
"Petros Karolidis... tried, as he writes in his related thesis (Hellinismos magazine, year 1904 p. 176-183), to speak in Greek to an old resident in Piana dei Greci, but he realized that she only knew Arvanitika, and he told this to the Italian who recommended her to him. 'The good presbyter, as soon as she heard me say that her language was not mainly Greek, protested, indignantly exclaimed: IO SONO propria GRECA-I AM a genuine GREEK'."'
From the classic book by the Arvanitis Kostas Mpiris "Arvanites, The Dorians of modern Hellenism" (p. 328)
They referred as "greeks" only cuz they were of orthodox religion, that is why even the place was named "Piana dei Greci". Today is names Piana degli Albanesi, Arberesh call it Hora e Arberesheve. They were never greeks but orthodox Albanians.
@@erigreca3297 Mpiris was a Greek Arvanitis and a scholar and this particular book is considered one of the best on the subject. With the specific real episode he describes, as well as with many other sources he uses, he demonstrates that the orthodox Arvanites clearly had a Greek consciousness. The Arberesh who migrated to Italy mainly from Morea also had Greek conscience until Mussolini's regime. In Greece this of course never changed, while in Italy and Albania, through merciless state propaganda over the last hundred years or so they managed to slowly make their descendants believe that they are the same as the Sqipetars...
@@erigreca3297 It's plain wrong to actually believe that people with different religions had a common culture and identity in pre-modern non-secular societies. In fact, common religion was a hugely important denominator of ethno-cultural identity in such societies. Anthony D. Smith, the leading expert in Nationality and Ethnicity studies himself has repeatedly stressed in his work the fact that in pre-modern societies people with different religions could never have a common identity, even when they spoke a similar dialect. Have in mind that most people in the Balkans during the Ottoman era were bilingual or even trilingual.
Nowadays that religion is not all that important, not only to Albanians but to over 50% percent of all Europeans and the notions of modern "nation" do not include religion as a basic component for the indication of ethnic or national identity, it's easy for Albanian "historians" to turn black into white and try to propagandize for a pre-existing common Albanian ethnic identity. But in pre-modern societies religion was one of the core components for ethnic identification. Identities until around 200 years ago or so, were a mix of ethno-cultural and religious identities. The Arvanites and the Arberesh NEVER- EVER self-identified as Sqipetars. On the other hand the muslim and catholic Sqipetars also wanted to disassociate themselves from the orthodox Arvanites who always had a Greek ethno-religious conscience.
Btw, 1/3 of Arvanitika vocabulary is Greek-derived. Arberesh language also has a considerable percentage of Greek-derived vocabulary.
In Arberesh language:
"village" is hora from the GREEK χώρα [chóra] ('land, village')
gjitonia "neighbourhood", from the GREEK γειτονία.
dhaskal "teacher", from the GREEK δάσκαλος.
"thank you" is haristís [xaɾiˈstis] from the GREEK ευχαριστώ [e̞fˌxariˈsto̞] ('thank you'). By the way, in Arvanitika its fharistisem. Different but again Greek derived.
@@erigreca3297 Schmitt, one of the most acknowledged modern expert scholars on Albanian studies, has repeatedly stated that in the past "Albanian" was simply a generic term and didn't always necessarily refer to the speakers of Albanian dialects but even to Greek-speakers or Vlach-speakers that resided in the geographic area of Arvanon. Later it even referred to mercenary corps or mountain people regardless of ethnicity.
"The ethnonym "Albanian", where it is found in medieval sources, has one of the following meanings: a) Someone who speaks Albanian, b) someone from the geographical area of Albania, REGARDLESS OF THE LANGUAGE SPOKEN, and c) a man of the mountains and the countryside."
Schmitt Jens Oliver (2009), Skanderbeg: Der neue Alexander auf dem Balkan, pp. 353, 354
"We remark that the term "Albanian" is NOT AN ETHNIC qualification but, as the terms "Zouave" and "Dragon", is used as GENERIC to certain corps of infantry, formations of mercenaries recruited among Christians of Turkey. The Albanian Regiments were used also by the Italians and the French".
Bode, Andreas (1975). «Albaner und Griechen als Kolonisten in Neurussland"», Beitrage zur Kenntnis Sudosteuropas und des Nahen Orients, Munchen, vol. 16 (1975), pp. 29-35
@@vangelisskia214 The Arberesh also has greek conscience until Mussolini's regime" . What an anonimable statement from you and from Mpiris and his Absolutely Rubbish book. First of all Arvanites did not have any greek conscience until the beginning of XX when the greek state was trying to do everything just de-albanize them. Arvanites spoke Albanian, had the same exact Tribal Society as that of the Albanians. As for the Arberesh, now I will break down your fairytales and those of this so called Mpiris, just with ONE EXAMPLE. Quote from the great Arberesh, Francesco Crispi to Girolamo De Rada, another great Arberesh (Francesko Kryeshpi, Kryeshpi means HeadHouse)
*Albanese di Sangue e di Cuore*
Do you know what It means? It means ALBANIAN BY BLOOD AND BY HEART!
Do you know when he was born ? Year 1818 !
i am an Arvanite from both side of my Parents and they spoke an Ancient Albanian witch similar of today Albania, they are Brother,s and Sister,s examp Buka/buka or Dua /Dua or une kam/una kam orvashe e bukur/vashe e bukur and lot,s of other words who are the same, so big Love from Greece to are Brothers from the North,Love u Illyria❤🖤💯pure Albanian by Blood and last name👉🦅🦅
Albanians have nothing to do with arvanites, albanians is a name that was given to you , your name is sqhiptarians, but arvanites were called themselves like that. End of story.
Here, here, Alvinites are part of the Greek family and Modern Greek story.
My Fathers family (Prokopis) are Greeks from Kefalonia (Ioanian Islands). After the Romans, Byzantines, Normans and Italian Families, the Venetians ruled 1500-1787 while the Ottomans were ruling the mainland.
After a few years of French, Russian-Ottoman rule 1797-1809, it became a semi self governed British Protectorate known as The United States of the Ionian Islands - 1815 to 1864.
@antap
you might be right about "alvinites" - Arvanites are a different story - Arvanites are Greek orthodox people who have common DNA/blood and language with modern-day Albanians. Arvanites are documented to have moved to central and south Greece from 11th century onward and they kept their language and customs. Arvanites is considered an Albanian dialect by the world accademia.
@@HK-pp9igthey didn't move, they are AUTOCHTHONOUS
@@illyrian3949 You talking about Arvanites? They didn't move? Yes, they did; the earliest migration of Arvanites south toward Peloponese are from the 11th century; some scholars believe this happened at the time of Slavic advent in the Balkans. Maybe you are talking about other Albanians in Greece, Chams? Many Albanians, mainly Muslim Albanians in Greece lived in Epirus and Macedonia form many centuries; almost all Muslims were expelled to Turkey in 1923 when Greece retrieved Greeks and other Orthodox people from the Kemalian Turkey; Albanian Orthodox people in Greece simply adhered to the Grrek culture by government and society pressure and/or for opportunistic reasons. Epirus of 18th and 19th centuries was a mixed place, especially Ioannina, where Muslim and Orthodox Albanians lived along Greeks, Vlachs, Jews, Gypsies, etc. After WW1 when Greece added most of Epirus into their territory, Albanian population declined due to Greece's policy against Albanians, and after WW2 Greece ethnically cleansed Epirus of Albanians there.
@antap You are right, Arvanites are part of the modern Greek history. They share the same DNA and language with Albanians, but nobody is saying that they are not Greeks - they have been Greeks before modern Greek state. Arvanites date from 11th century, many inhabitans of what was known then as Albanoi, Principality of Arber, etc., moved to Morea, Poloponese and other parts of Modern Greece due to the presure from massive Slavic migration to the Balkans. Slavs went as south as Epirus, and they overran Macedonia, Thessaly and other regions. There are many Greek speakers today in Epirus (north and south) who carry Slavic DNA. It is interesting to know that, on the Albanian border slavic DNA is found in both Albanian (Muslim) and Greek speaking communities (Orthodox). Arvanites in this regard are local to the south-east Europe from 6-8 thousand years, they only migrated further south during Middle Ages. There were Greek Orthodox then, they continue to be Greek Orthodox now, while many Albanian Orthodox (Greek Orthodox nonetheless) converted massively to Muslims during the long Ottoman occupation. I have met Arvanites in Athens, Piraeus, Megara, and Salamina. I also have met many Albanian speakers in Ioannina, but they were not arvanites, they were Albanian Orthodox inhabitants of Epirus who identify as Greeks after Ottomans withdrew from Epirus after the WW1. Be proud of what you are! I know most of the times Albanians from the socialist republic have no clue about Arvanites, and bluntly say that Arvanites are Albanians - while Albanian heritage is something to be proud of for Arvanites of Italy (Arberesh) similar and sometimes the same bloodline as Arvanites, as some Arberesh of Italy came from Morea (Epirus and other north-western coastal Greece), and the same pride is displayed by Arberesh in the USA and Argentina; but in Greece, for many reasons Arvanites had a hard time being accepted as first class Greeks especially after WW2, political Greek supremacy, ancient Greek heritage, and above all, modern day Albanians being Muslims, hence closer to Truks than to their Greek neighbors, made many Greeks despise Albanians in general; many Greeks hate Albanians more than they hate Turks; Arvanites do not want to be seen as part of that hated group. Albanians themselves are very proud; they haven't done much; but in my opinion they have done more than many other people; Albanians survived between two great absolute powers; Greek antiquity and mighty Roman Empire. You can see Romania being all romanized, Thrace and macedonia were overran by Slavs; Albanian ahve nothing to show to others, but they have their own language, their old customs; kinship and welcoming like no one else. Well, I don't want to start our bad side, as I know more our faults than Greeks can tell!!! Be well! Greetings!
@@HK-pp9igArvanites was Albanian and they language was Albanian 🦅🇦🇱🦅
Respekt dhe vetem respekt. Shume gjera po qartesohen ne istorin e bosht qe kam mesurar ne kete shtet rracist. Respekt.
@SkyTechLover - Kush eshte shtet racist? Greqia? Greket jane me komplexe me te erreta se shqiptaret... keshtu qe fjala racist nuk shkon. Greket jane anti-shqiptare. Racism was defined by the master of race, Germans who chose Albanians above Greeks, and of course above Slavs. Please do not use the word "racist" for Greeks, they are not racist; just ant-Albanian (Albanian-haters)... you can see how friendly are Greeks and the Greek state toward Afghanistani people, Pakistani people, and others from Africa or Asia, but they are full of hate against Albanians.
@@HK-pp9ig Shiko ne pergjithesi kam gjetur njeres te mbrekullushem qe akoma i kam shoke te ngusht Grek flas. Po keta njeres eshte sikur kerkon gjilper ne kasht. Ke te drejte Urrejta qe kan kundra nesh eshte e pa besushme. I mesoj keshtu qe kur lindin. Dhe vazhdon kjo uretje gjer sa ven ne var.
Spread love not hate
Don't paint everyone with the same brush Albania's are a part of Greek society since 600 years
Η Αλβανία είναι φτιαχτό κράτος
I have worked on Greece on 1993- 1997 I have meet many old generation speak Albanian Language I worked Larissa and other Cities. Now lost the language because young generation learning Greek language on Schools and forgot the real historical truth.
un jam i lindur edhe po jetoj ne greqi kur isha i vogel nje plak grek me foli arberisht..po nuk kuptoja atehere historine tone..tani qe jam rritur kuptova shum gjera gjith ato rruge ne athine me emra shqiptar..gjith keto vende..po asnje nuk flet me arberisht nga ata qe kur erdhem neve shqiptaret ne greqi..ka humbur gjuha e tyre se nuk e mesuan femijet e tyre..
Ashtu asht vlla, Arberia kemi qen , skenderbeg Ka than SE un vi Nga aleksandrii madh Nga pirro Nga illiropellazget
Im "Turkish" from the east Pontus Black Sea Region. My Great father father spoke Pontus Greek language as well his wife but they were Muslim Greek spekers.😊im respect,love my helleen Heritage too.
MY REGARDS BROTHER,FROM AN ATHENIAN GREEK.
Cfare lexova dhe degjova me preken pa mase , respekte pa fund per ju qe e realizuat kete dokumentar rrenqethes❤️🇦🇱
E vlerësoj pa masë që ju pëlqeu videoja. Faleminderit shumë! Respekt
@@ChildrenOfTheEagle me fal Kam 1 pyetje gjithe keto video i keni me prova te verteta Jo te degjuara
@@Albanian-ev2fx Kërkoj falje për përgjigjen e vonuar. Çdo video që kam bërë kam bërë kërkime të thelluara nga libra si në këtë rast nga Arben P. Lalla, kam kontrolluar faktet të gjithë librat që kam blerë vetëm për t'iu afruar të vërtetës. Unë nuk pretendoj se jam një historian i trajnuar ndaj jam plotësisht i vetëdijshëm se në disa raste ndoshta kam humbur data, emra të vërtetë por asnjëherë për të shtrembëruar të vërtetën.
Was very interesting! From an Armenian! Many friends of mine are from Drenice and Berat!
Thx btw most of greeks in greece are related to pontic greeks whom are closer to armenians and georgians who got assimilated into greek culture, so your real population might be bigger than expected
@@claudiiusmaximus652completely cap
1/4 from berat region based
Drenice is ultra based
VERY TRUE. 👋🏻 from 🇬🇧
Half Albanians are in uk
i am from albania but this make me sick for a billions of reasons!
to begin with i am proud to be from albania but there are certain thing i must not tolerate !
we know for many reasons and many years somehow other countries tried '' trying'' to shut us down in many ways but is it really that? i have studied hugely enough the persian culture and history , egyptians culture and history , romans , turkish , japonaise and so on about wars and religions , i now am a muslim therefore must spoke only but the truth . our history is darknest than it looks ,first of all we are indo-European and throughout history we know our language branches in details , starting with language the indo-european palaeo balcanic language was the first to be spoken , leaving out 2 branches the greco-albanian and the armenian one , then the greco-albanian leaves illyric and graeco-phyrgian which was the eldes greek language after the greco-albanian which is already forgotten and perish . the illyric language lead to another 2 branches the albanian one and the messapic one which this one to stopped there , now from the albanian language came tosk and geg which the geg didnt changed at all but the tosk splited in mainland tosk , arberesh and arvanitika .
now this is as for the language and clearly the arvanitas by language is the last one ! now lets talk history , as i have studied the great alexander when he wents to the indian land there are some history from budhism scholars that state that they asked the alexander '' our dear greeks , please spread budhism '' and by history we know that the cow were one ''short '' worshiped in greece so this is a historical fact ! now lets see egypt , i mean just make a fast check about the history on the time of the pharaoh and you will find greeks ! now please explain to me how this is supposed to happen if the albanians really created greece . we here talking about 1to5k b.c and i am very sorry to tell but never found albania ! my ideology is that we were same people sharing same language even before illyrians ! and i have a lot to tell but i guess only those 2 points could take over the idea of arvanites founding greece and the idea of greece coming to albanians land !! jokingly we dont even have textes in albanian language more than 500 years although the bible was in greek the new testament and the old one still translated to greek first by the year 330 a.d ....... so please stop with the propaganda that we are older than them or that we found it etc etc ! albania today is full of blinded history and with that we only put ourselves shame ! peace and respect ! earth is my origin and albania is my home !
The thing that makes me sicker is the fact that you pretend to be Albanian, it's obvious you're not. Second I know that you're smart enough to understand that he is talking about the foundation of the modern Greece, after 1821 not the ancient greece you're talking about.
Third you should understand that there was no greek ethnicity during that time of history. It was artificially built with the help of great powers as a reflection of the ancient greek civilization, thus modern greek people are not related at all to ancient greek. Greek ethnicity is based on religion, byzantine orthodox religion. This is why during the early stages of the greek nation it was so easy for the greek government to classify all orthodox people as greek, despite their ethnicity. I'm an orthodox albanian myself and I like greek culture and mythology but I would never call myself a greek. Now imagine all the albanian like me back in the time where Albanian state was not created yet. Where do you think they would feel safer? In an turko albanian place controlled by ottomans or in a state that you could freely practice Christianity without being killed and tortured? Where do you think arvanited fitted?
On the other hand the albanian ethnicity is blood related and tribal. Religion never united albanians. NEVER throughout history.
And lastly nobody pretending Hellenes were albanians. This is Ancient history and it's another story.
@Georgio Skanderbeg so naive of you to reply in such a low spoken comment! Re-read my comment !!! First i am albanian and i am a proud albanian as i believe we have a very rich culture and history ourselves but please this is getting to much ! What orthodox byzantine u talking about ?? The Christianity came 300 years after jesus died we talking here even before jesus ! And to protect the argument with the idea of that ( they falsificated history with power ) bro even if they could have tried they could have never achieved it ! Cause to do that you have to change the history of the world not only that of greece and albania ! For the greeks you have indians you have persians you have elder civilizations such Chinese and egjyptians talking to ! And i know that very well that he is not talking about that of after 1800 ad but our historians literally keep saying that they ( greeks ) never existed! Please man - be true at least at yourself!! To us the albania is the first contry in the world ! We are the first humans on earth and our language is the oldest in the world ! And everything else is a lie and they stole it from us !!! I am convinced that we are wrong- our historians are wrong and yes for the sake of the truth of course there are certain thing that other countries took from us such as territory and wealth ! As we were full of gold ! But please dont touch the history !!!
@A Y we dont talk religion here we talk history ! As for the religion each individual have its own choice !!
@@T-bag96 o shqiptar. Nuk po them qe bota eshte shqiptare dhe jemi njerzit e pare ne planet. Jam dhe une dakord me ty qe disa historiane tik toku ja futin pordhes kot. Por nuk e permendi njeri historine antike dhe nuk e kuptoj pse duhet ta permendje kete gje pikerisht ne kete video qe skishte te bente fare me kete pjese te historise per te cilen po flasim.
Por meqenese do ti futesh kesaj valleje ta garantoj qe dhe ti nuk je 100% i sakte me ato qe the me siper.
Etnogjeneza e kombit shqiptar eshte formuar si bashkim i fiseve dhe kultures ilire, epirote dhe maqedonase po aq sa etnogjeneza helene eshte formuar nga kultura helene, epirote dhe maqedonase. Kemi shume te perbashketa me helenet por greket e sotem nuk jane pasardhes te heleneve. Greqia e sotme eshte mbetje e perandorise bizantine. Nuk mund te pretendosh si tenden cdo territor dhe cdo person qe flet helenisht. Helenishtja ka qene lingua franka e gjithe pellgut mesdhetar ne ate kohe.
Eshte njesoj si nje italian te thote per Egjiptin qe eshte territor italian vetem se ne Egjipet ne kohen e perandorise romake flitej dhe shkruhej latinisht.
Dhe mos harro qe helenishtja ka qene e vetmja gjuhe e shkruar e asaj kohe qe predaton dhe latinishten.
Pretendimi i greqise se sotme qe eshte vazhdimesi e helenizmit i jep shkas dhe ja ben me t thjeshte historise greke, pervetesimin e cdo kulture dhe popullate ku gjendej gjuha e shkruajtur helene.
Mos harro se helen dhe grek nuk eshte e njejta gje pavaresisht se grekeve ju leverdis qe ta perdorin kete nocion interchangeably. Te uroj gjithe te mirat dhe te sugjeroj ti maresh me pak me shume rezerva infot historike jo vetem nga historianet e tik tokut po dhe nga ata zyrtare. Edhe ate nuk jane me te mire. Te gjithe sot e marin informacionin si ju servitet, te mireqene. Por sot nje pjese e historise se ballkanit eshte e manipuluar qe ti shkoje pershtat gjeopolitikes te fuqive europiane.
@@T-bag96 I think you should learn more history, Albania country Greece country came after before was tribes When you are not sure, you should learn not put fake news
Thank you for this ☦️🇦🇱
hello ✝️🇦🇱
This misinformation in this video is saddening. I hope all the viewers will be able to learn real history
What is real history for you ? You are just a product of this Chauvinist Modern Country’s around Albania !
Every revolt in Greece was Albanian except one Orlov revolt ( Russian revolt ) !
Go sleep know
@@Arber-4673 You are sadly incorrect. Arvanites did help in the revolution, but it is far over inflated by Albanians who claim all Greek heroes like Kolokotronis. Only main arvanites heroes were Botsaris and Miaoulis. That’s it’s. Look at any other history that isn’t extremely Albanian bias and you’ll find the truth
@@thebalkanhistorian.3205 the translated word kolokotroni comes from Albanian words of byth guri.
@@Dani-px1jy No they do not. Kastrioti is a Greek name then. Skanderbeg is as Greek as Kolokotronis is Albanian. But they aren’t. Kolokotronis is Greek and Skanderbeg is Albanian
You consider real history what the warmongering and fascist greek state produces? 🤣 what do they say about their massacres on cham albanians? Oh I guess nothing 🤣
Fantastic Documentary. Regards from a original Arvanite Albanian from Morea (Peloponnes) 🖤🖤🖤🖤
Thank you! ❤️
@@swordofomens3381 you are an orthodox albanian, stop with the propaganda.. why greeks have albanian surnames?
Po ku je ore vëlla??
A jeni trima me Shpata tan?
Rrnoft Gjuha, Fara, Trojet Arbërore
Nuk na duen viza per udhtime sikur UK
@@blackpill7856 Why Albanians have vlach names ends to -U or -IU? Or why they changed the -U or -IU to -O?
Arvanites are greeks and arvanitic dialect is a greek dialect. So the albanian language is relative with the greek language. Arvanitic dialect was written with greek alphabet at first. Albanian people were greek people they were pure Greeks until they mixed with what are today called Northern Albanians and were made up of different ethnicities
Arvanites are Albanians ,arvanitika is a dead Albanian dialect that most greek dont understand, you are delusional af ,get fact straight, you can't say they are greek cuz they feel ,doesn't work that way
@@spirofarmaku6772 Arvanites are Greeks stop crying
Greek dialekt,🤭🤭🤭, in all Languages, Arvanitic=100 % Albanian.
I am orthodox Albanian.
Arvanites are Albanian.
@@cowboyfritz2813 Arvanites are Greeks not Albanians you have nothing in common with Arvanites
@@cowboyfritz2813 why Napoleon Zervas who was Arvanite killed so many Albanians back then? Cuz he is Greek and Arvanites are only Greeks get over it
Thank you ever so much. I am truly touched by your sharing and the way history was presented, the photos, videos and music worked so well too. Lots of blessings to Albanians all over the world! Blessings to Greeks to. We have so much to learn and work as humanity, which ever part of the world we incarnated. Love, peace and joy to all!
Keep up your good work thanks 😊 🙏 👍
I was speechless, braavoooo. The Greek state must understand that only and only the truth can bring prosperity, on the contrary, one day they will deny themselves. I am very proud that I am ARVANIT from Sibota (Siri Botes) or Vola, Cameria.
They never gonna accept that Arvanites are of Albanian ethnicity because the whole Greek History would fall under Albanian History, how they would look to the world 😮 that’s why they Never accept the language. Russia and Europe created Greece with 6-7 minorities but Albanian was the biggest, Albanians are Byzantine people
salutes brother … long live our ancestors who once were the masters of balkan region … who had greatest heroes of all time 🇦🇱⚔️⚔️⚔️⚔️
Your great great great grand parents were greeks and over time they started to speak albanian just like the arvanites in greece that most can only speak greek
Chams werent Albanians, Chams were Muslim sarakatsanis and vlachs.Not albanian at all.
@@michaelhadjimichael4778 😂😂😂 you’ve got to be joking 🤣🤣 even in ancient times Greek historians say that Epirus was populated by barbarians who spoke a different language than Greek later they called them Illyrians and now Albanian arvanit
The revolution started in Mani by the Maniots in 17th March 1821. Arvanites are no founders of Greece what kind of title is this.Arvanites are co-founders of Greece just like every other Greek that fought. They of course had a great role and we celebrate them byt there is no such ''founders of Greece''. Kolokotronis was not Arvanitis,Karaiskakis was not Arvanitis,Nikitaras was not Arvanitis,Diakos was not Arvanitis,Makriyiannis was not,all the Maniot warriors were not,the sailors from Kasos were not and so many many others,from Acarnania from the rest of Peloponeese etc etc.This is a propaganda title
Jacob Philipp Fallmerayer 1790-1861: "The Greek War of Independence was a "purely Shqiptarian” (Albanian), not a Hellenic Revolution."
@@MRAlexis99 Fallmerayer isnt an expert in Greek Revolution and his theories have been debunked by others. Von Hahn who was the famous Austrian Albanologist right after the revolution counted 150K Arvanites oout of a total 900K people of the 1st Greek state,that included only Pelponeese and Sterea Ellada. All the Greek lands rebelled from Cyprus to Macedonia what makes you think that only Arvanites took up arms as ig it was a revolution with an 'arvanitic' objective and goal. All these statements are complete bullshit. Whatever i wrote is completely right. The goal of the revolution was from its very beginning the creation of a Greek state.Arvanites took part according to their numbers and embraced the goal along with their other Greek counterparts
Johann Georg von Hahn 1811-1869: "The modern Greeks are, in the greater part, nothing more than Christianized Albanians."
@@MRAlexis99 hahahahahaha
@@MRAlexis99 hahhahahaha. ''Albanians are nothing more than turkalbanians'' Ismail Kemal Vlora
Keep up the good work vllako this will be a big channel i promise you that
God bless you , and everyone like you who speak the reality , and you dont form it how you want
I'm an Arvanitis, born and raised with / in the Greek culture. Here to learn more about my roots!!!
@noahapollo Arvanites share the same DNA and language with modern-day Albanians. Most Arvanites originate from Medieval Principality of Arbanon (somewhere in Middle Albania today, or Epirus Novus), these tribes migrated south after the fall of the Roman Empire and Slavic migration in south-east Europe around 11th century. They kept the Byzantine Greek Orthodox religion, catechism was done and it is still done in Medieval Greek language. After the Ottoman conquest of the region, Arvanites and most Greeks kept the Orthodox religion while most Albanians and Slavic people converted to Islam and benefited from this status within the Ottoman Empire. That explains the animosity between Greeks (including Arvanites) and Albanians today.
Orthodox Serbs a little bit north from Greece and Albania, killed and massacred their own Muslim people (Bosnia), while Bulgaria and Serbia fought and tore apart the region with Slavic people along Axios river which Greek government calls today North Macedonia (?). Albanians see Arvanites in high regard; Arvanites in the eyes of Albanians are brave people who survived Ottoman Turk occupation, kept their religion, and fought valiantly for Greece's independence. I have met Arvanites in Athens, and I am surprised how they had preserved their language, Arvanitika, which in itself is an old Medieval Albanian language dialect. I was in local wedding, the songs, costumes were all so similar to Albanian costumes and wedding songs and music.
In my view, Arvanites should serve as a bridge to bring Greeks and Albanians closer.
Greece has the most glorious history, and Ancient Greek civilization was the inspiration of European Renaissance. Albanians lived between Ancient Rome and Ancient Greece; and despite not having much written or documented history, Albanians should be proud just for surviving between these two giant civilizations; they kept their language and customs (some of these customs still survive to this day, as the hardcore Albanians would change less with time!)... but loosing to the Ottomans after George Castrioti's death, massive islamisation, and not able to create an independent state earlier than WW1, put Albanians at a disadvantage compared to Slavic neighbors and much earlier independent Greece. As if the Ottoman 500 years occupation wasn't enough, Albanians aligned with Stalin and the communist block for 50 years, this destroyed the Albanian man to the core; communists outlawed religion and those praying to God were sent to jail or labor camps, or even worse shot dead by the regime. Albanians got out of the "cave" in 1991, hungry, tattered, anything outside Albania was totally different; Albania of 1991 was living similar to the years 1920-1930. People were indoctrinated to listen to communist bureau what to say and how to say something... no free thinking, no freedom of expression... some Albanians even today idolize the regime... they were like robots, communist party arranged their life and their talk... paople in family parties were required to toast for the communist party and comrade Tyrant. Those were really dark days for Albanians... 30 some years after the fall of communism, Albania is still ruled by communists, much more liberal now, but very corrupt and nepotic rule. Greetings!
@HK-pp9ig you certainly didn't see the Greek Arvanites as brothers when you decended in your 50s of thousands into Geece to suppress the revolution. God help any Greek or Greek Arvanite who was caught by the Turkalbanians as they referred to you. The men were impaled and the women and children sold into slavery. They preferred to die rather than surrender. In 1940, the same. After living 800 years in Greece, living as Greeks, Greek Orthodox Christians, fighting for Greek freedom, they not Albanians, they Greeks and not part of your history. They constituted 10 to 20% of the population. They were prominent in 1821 because they had a fighting tradition, but together with the rest of the other, 80% of the population won Greek freedom. When the Greek schools were opened, they were the first to put their children in the schools. I also don't see any queues of Greek Arvanites lining up to get into Albania. The opposite it true. Or come to Souli and tell them you're their long lost Turkalbanian brother. Arvanites founders of modern Greece is, therefore, nothing more than historical disinformation with some ulterior motive.
Πίσω στην αλβανία τότε τι κάθεσαι ?
@@user-yp9zy1yc2n LOL, you'd have to kick out of Greece half of Athens and some more. Really?! Arvanites are the backbone of Greek state and Greek independence! You know that! Arvanites even have to forget their blood and mother tongue to please the new "Hellenes" in the second century of the the Greek state existence.
You know that Arvanites are more Greeks than you! At least they can track their ancestry to the Homeric times, while some other Greeks came from far away places, from Levante, Caucasus and Anatolia.
You know that as well.
When Germans came to see your Greece, they were disapointed, as Greece was not what they had ideolized and supported in 1821, while the same Germans helped Albanians take Kosovo many decades before NATO and the US did so in 1999. Arguing against Arvanites is a lost game for you; should be proud of Arvanites for what they have done for the Greek state.
@@HK-pp9ig Arvanites are straight up 100% albanians nothing else they are not the back bone of hellenism and they have nothing to do with homeric times.Let's get real.And for your information im hellenic proper which means im not an arvanite or a anatolian i did not migrate from the caucusus or turkey or the middle east or any other place i'm literally hellenic proper i don't speak albanian or turkish or arabic so deal with it♓️🇬🇷♓️🇬🇷♓️🇬🇷♓️🇬🇷♓️🇬🇷♓️🇬🇷♓️🇬🇷♓️🇬🇷♓️🇬🇷♓️🇬🇷♓️🇬🇷♓️🇬🇷♓️
"It has been reported that at the end of the 20th century some Christian Albanians still used the term "TURK" to refer to Muslim Albanians."
Matvey Lomonosov, "On Albanian Identity in the Late Ottoman Empire", Porta Balkanica, vol. 5, 2013, p.12
Yeah that is true it was a religions separation and not a race one .
Greek was a title it was not a nation . The difference is you guys have more races in your than we do .
Ottoman Empire tried to suppress Albanian national identity. Schools in Albanians weren’t allowed. Who taught Albanian was harshly punished. They couldn’t let the most fierce people identify to flourish. It would translate in trouble for them. They draw an equating line like Muslim=turk. Orthodox=greek. Greek schools were widely allowed and Greek priests as well. Which benefited greatly to Greeks to assimilate non Greeks and to manufacture “brand new Greeks”. You carrying same mindset. I’m Orthodox Albanian from Souli and I’m Albanian. So national identity has nothing to do with religious affiliation. So take that turk label and shove it down right there where the sun never shines.
@@mindmazetitanYou are Alpinid, Dinarid, Mediterranid mixed.. we are predominantly Mediterranid Aegeans, followed by Pontid.
@@mindmazetitan Greek is an identity, based on a particular ethnos who's predominantly neolithic Aegean and hold an Hellenic common culture, millenary identity.
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Using a term like alpinid is saying you are a European.. that is very vague .
Is no doubt that ancient Greeks existed and some of them have the same ancestors with today's Greek but with the time of Byzantine, Roman and Turkish empire things changed and when Greece was formulated was made upon religion. To be a orthodox was the number 1 criteria, and not your race . For example Arvanites were the same race as Albanians but since they were orthodox you guys become one nation . Ofc you have also Slavs and Turkish .
When it come to Albanians our thing was the race and the language not the religion . The big powers didn't want us to be a nation since it was not one religion and it was a mixture and many Christian Albanians said if it takes us to drop our religion to be a nation with our Muslim brothers we will do so .
The concept of religion and culture was how almost all countries got created except a few like Albania Finland and few more that I don't recall. Look it up make your own research I am not a nationalist. Greeks and Albanians we share more similarities than differences
What an idiotic title. Arvanites were a minority in Greece who were of mixed Albanian /Greek heritage. They constitute about 5% of the Greek population by 1913.
You're probably right 🤥
You forgor that maniots are also albahian mani peninsula comes from the albanian word mani meaning mullbery
@@qerqiztopulli1708 Mani is a tiny region in Laconia in southern Greece, what the hell has it got to do with bloody mulberries. What Albanian peninsula?? Mani is in Greece not Albania WTF!!!!!
@@JapanMonAmourTheJapanHouse krokodelios kladas and klada family was living in mani peninsula. The castle of varduna comes from the albanian word meaning white bardhunja
@@JapanMonAmourTheJapanHouse half of morea is populated by albanian sources : george finaly the albanians
un vero rappresentazione curato bene .complimenti !
"There were no noticeable Albanian - speaking communities in the cities of the Albanian coast throughout the Middle Ages. Durrës was inhabited by the Venetians, Greeks, Jews, and Slavs; Shkodra by the Venetians and Slavs; and Vlora by the Byzantine Greeks. Names of towns and rivers in Albania, always a good indicator of settlement patterns, are to a surprising extent Slavic. It is thought that a considerable proportion of the Albanians had already been assimilated by the eve of the Turkish invasion."
Robert Elsie - Historical Dictionary of Albania 2010 , 2nd Edition 20 : 44/40 : 17- Documents About Skanderbeg > Was Skanderbeg ? Factual Data Exposes The Hidden Truth
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As an Arvanite it was a result of migration due to gjin spatas migration into southern Epirus finally settling in the Peloponnese region in the 12th-13th century
the most hidden fact from modern Greek history is that the Arvanites are autochthonous in Greece up to the Peloponnese or More since ancient times, regardless of the waves of emigration that came from Albania. the Greek term is romios, it is an artificial language, it is Orthodoxy. there is no Greek race
@@mikaelfire6056 Artificial language ? Damn I guess all the ancient greek and byzantine greek texts must be fake then. By the way do not speak for what you don't know. Romios is the greek word for Rum (what the turks called the Greeks when they invaded Anatolia)
@audyssea no the Greeks called themselves romio after Roman's. So how are modern Greeks, hellenes if they themselves said they were Roman's? Just askin
@@hloi4545 y'all really seem to like trasktalking on things you do not know much. When you say "after romans" i suppose you uncultured swine mean after the fall of the Western Roman Empire. The inhabitants of Eastern Roman Empire (called Byzantium from the 18th century), were à mix of Albanians, Hellenes, Slavs (Bulgars, Serbs, etc...) and all called themselves Rum (Romaoi in Greek) since they considered themselves the legitimate descedents of the Roman Empire (look up the division of the Empire on the internet it is too long to explain). Now the modern balkan states aren't based on their religion (as the dumbass who commented earlier said), otherwise we would have a single orthodox country called Romania (or smth like that). The modern balkanique states base themselves on the linguistic, cultural, and historic specificities. The reason why modern day historians try to prove their legitimacy over the others is because they are corrupted in their normally objective work by nationalistic believes. Now for the case of Greece, the reason why some shortminded self-learning "historians" (bloggers) have the nerve of saying stuff like "Greek is an artificial language" (despite centuries of written evidence) is because their is a global misunderstanding between "byzantium" (which was a Greek led multi-ethnic Empire) but based on religion, and modern Greece
Arvanites didn’t migrate! Tosk and Gheg migrated, arvanites where already there !
Made up propaganda from Modern Greece
Albania 🇦🇱 respekt ❤️🇦🇱🇽🇰❤️🦅🦅🦅🦅 600 years have passed and the Arvanites still speak Albanian
barely older generation mostly
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@@CRE8TIVE_AU Yep, that's unfortunately true... the Greek government and the Greek society in general frowns upon speaking Arvanite. I have met elderly Arvanite in Athens; what a beautiful language they spoke. I could understand 70-80% of what they said. Arvanite is mixed with a lot of Greek phonemes due to the long time co-habitation with Greek (just like the Arberesh in Italy - Albanian language with a lot of Italian phonemes). Arvanites are a very proud people, and fierce; close to only the ancient Spartans... nothing similar with tamed modern Greeks or modern Albanians. I think, Arvanites and Epirus are the back spine of both Greek and Albanian nations. As Albanians, we grew up learning Ancient Greek mythology, and ancient art and culture. The fall of communism in Albania created some stress between the Greek citizens and hundred of thousands of impoverished Albanians who broke the border and overran the Greek mainland. IN general however, Albanian-Greek relations are good among people. I discount fringe groups like Golden Down in Greece (which has more Albanian members than Hellenes), or some un-educated Albanians who think they are better than Greeks. I have visited Greece a few times, and have only seen a cultured people, well civilized and all equal to western European civilization; with some pride of who they are and where they come from, but generally working folks minding their own business. Us, Albanians coming out of centuries of Ottoman rule, and half a century of even worse rule, under the communist dictatorship, have e long way to go... Greeks held strong to their Christian religion which held the nation together; us, Albanians lost our way, religiously split in three groups; Catholics, Muslims and Orthodox; culturally torn between East and West; locally still in feuds; and economically very back-warded. Albania has all natural resources to become wealthier than Croatia up north; and probably as rich as Switzerland if we were able to come out of darkness and manage ourselves better... but Albanians have still to learn how to govern... now this is a Balkan issue, as Serbs did not fair very well either... and Slavic Bulgars in Ex-Yugoslavia have a bigger appetite than Albanians for "antiquity" calling themselves "Macedon" while speaking Bulgarian; and Greeks have their troubles with cunning government that brought disaster upon their country in 2008... I respect Greece for what it is and what it represents; and our Slavic neighbors have a splendid history and perseverance from 1200s and do not need to claim "Macedonian" antiquity to become mightier. All need to work more, recognize one-another more, and live in peace... Germans and French butchered one-another more than us did, and yet, managed to reconcile and live in peace, and together are ruling Europe. Serbs, Bulgars, Greeks and Albanian can live in peace too. God has given us a beautiful land and plenty of sunshine and warm sea.
@@HK-pp9ig I don't think it's unfortunate soon they will be gone and we can move on..
Can you put timestamps in the video?
A decent documentary but some figures and statements are incorrect.
The documentary mentions for example travellers couldnt find people who speak Greek. This is incorrect.
Greek was still widely spoken particularly in the cities and this was well documented. It was the dominant language of most the islands too.
The Albanians too were never the dominant population in Crete as the documentary claims.
They are not also descendents of the Spartans. Any historian will tell you the Spartans were Greek and its a shame the documentary doesnt present this fact.
This sort of speculation of the Albanian descent came about in the Fallmeyer era of the 1800s and has been shown be incorrect (and was in fact politically motivated and not even accepted by most historians of the era).
The documentary also mistakenly claims the name Fustanella is Albanian. It isnt. It is an Italian derived word.
We dont know its origin. Some historians claim it originated among Illyiran tribes but the first documented use for certain was among Greek Byzantine border guards.
Fair comment and very grounded. Indeed the mini documentary had some mistakes which those who are very familiar with history and sources facts can notice the mistakes. Above all gives around 80% a very good image of that time.
@@rebelaris Some mistakes?! 🤣This video barely gives any real legit historical information! Its mostly based on myths and blatant lies...
@@vangelisskia214 talked someone based on emotionalism and ego investment.
Visit Cambridge University they might help you increase your IQ
The arvanites greek nationalists were all orthodox Christians. They were in their majority very courageous and fought like lions to become free greeks , as they, are declaring in all sources. The ottoman army that all Greeks were fighting with, was formed in its majority by muslim albanians, who were fierce defenders of the sultanate. The only thing that separated arbanites from the albanian forces was religion. Christian means greek, muslim means turkalvanòs. The albanians that were expelled from epirus after ww2, were muslims , allied with nazis, so-as traitors for their greek country, instead of be condemned to death penalty, they were given the choice to , just leave greece , never to come back again. Given the atrocities theses albanians did along with nazi germans, they were lucky to get out like that. Finally, the arvanutes, of Greece have numerous institutions, they still speak arcanituca, their albanian dialect, they are pious orthodox christians as their ancestors, and are members of greek parliament, scientists, factories, or they are simple people. Like all greeks. They are proud of both their arcanitiki and greek identities. Who said they are suppressed?? But they are christians!! I insist to that. They never ever, changed religion that easy, as their northern brothers, who were changing religion, very easily , depending to the environment they live. This is what depending arcanites. They are not so opportunistic. They are more stable to their roots and morals, and faith. And so never changed. Like the most of the other peoples in balcans they remained christians.
You are true Bro. - Friend. Time has come to unite whol Europe under Ld. Jesus. Especially, the Orthodox and Protestant Christians must unite, under the name of Christianity. Special attention must be given to Original Ortho. - Christns.from the Balkan area ( S E Europe ). Where the Ottoman and other Muslim Turks have created havoc on the local innocent weak Orthodox Christian population. Not only the Balkan people, but whole E Europe must unite under 1 Ortho. Church. If you study t. History of Europeeve deeply, you will find the former Tsar - Christians of Russia ( an E European country ) had supported the Christians from Balkans and other neigbouring regions ( near Med. Sea ) , like Armenia, against t. Muslim Otto. Turks ; then the matter would have turned from Bad to Worst. Not only Balkan reg. would have turned Muslim Turkey 1st but, later, t. whole Eastern Europe would hve. become Turkish - Muslim. At a very later stage, the Simple Protestant and the dramatist selfish and shrewd R. Catholic Christians from the W Europe would have understand , what's the meaning of Muslim Turks ; when actually they hve attacked Western Euro, from the East. Very ironic sad to state, t. Euro - Christians still don't understand who their common enemy is? Just like, we Indian Hindus. Even, the Communist Russia under Stalin, did a good Job by forcibly capturing the E Turkey ( Uzbekistan, Kazzak. , Azerbaijan , etc. ). You must note t. E Turks are far more dangerous than their western counterparts as, they follow the Shia / Shitte denomination or Sect of Islam, instead of Sufi or even Sunni sect. Also, they are racially, they are a mixed community of Mongols n Turks. Hence, they are more dangerous than the free pure W Turks, who mostly follow Sunnism ( a very few follow Sufi Islam). Please note, among the original old Muslims, the Arabs and Afghan Pathan - Khans are far better humans and Muslims, compared to Iranians or Persians ( including the Baluchis and Sistanis) and the Turks. Also, almost all the Iranis or Iranians are Shias and since, Iran being the H. Qs. of Shiaism and being ruled by dogmatic - staunch Shia regimes after the year about 1975, the Shias world over, not only hate the Non - Muslims but also, hate other Muslims. So, be careful about Turks and the majority Iranian - Shias racially. Rather, please be liberal with the oldest pure Muslim Arabs and Afg. - Pathans. Lastly, the W Euro nations like, U K ( Eng. ) and among t. American countries like, USA, are again commiting a mistake cum crime , by siding with the Ukrainian separatists, against t. Central Russian Govt. 1stly. , had read in an English book, ' T. Last Battle ', that the then, Russ. Govt. ordered the Ukrainian Regiments under Marshal Koneiv to attack Berlin, t Germ. Capital, instead of ordering the Russian Regiments under Marshal Zhukov. Sir Zhukov was also the Joint Supreme Chief of the whole Russian Military - force. During the closing weeks of the 2nd World - War, the Ukranian army from Russia assaulted Berlin city. They killed many of t. innocent German Prot. Christian men and boys in cold blood, and raped many German women - girls. Strange, t. peesent - day German Govt. is supporting the US n Govts. of other W Euro. Nations against t. Russian Govt, for t. Ukrans. Ukraine is a province or state of t. Russ. Federation. It's t. internal matter of Russia. T. W should stop meddling in it. Similarly, on the key - basis of mutual respectful, impartial and friendly talks, t. whole Balkan must come under Greece, as Athens t. Joint Capital. Proper demarcation must be made for t. Albanian , Macedonian republics, etc. So that, the whole Albania comes under a Single Autonomous Albanian region. Same thing must be done for Macedonians, Croatians, etc. also. These outer Greek Countries or Rather Provinces , must be given a nearly independent status. I mean, nearly full - Autonomy or Semi - independent status. Constantinopole must also be annexed from Turks for t. Greeks. Loc. Govt. of each semi - Independent State or prov. must be given the full right to promote Local - Language and Customs in its area ,and also to promote local lang. in the Govt. offices of that Loc. Reg. Same thing can be done, by annexing the Irish Republic under the London Govt. of UK. In this way, a greater UK will come into force, like that of former days. Lastly, Germany and France must come together to form a Joint Franco - Germany republic. In it, all the other nations of Europe must also come like, Austria, Holland, Hungary, Denmark, Switzerland, Norway, Finland, Chezck, etc. Of course, each Country, or rather a Province then, must hve. equal Autonomy to those of others. Also, each must hve. a nearly independent Status or nearly Complete Autonomy. In this way, Portugal , Spain and Italy will only remain free independent single nations. Shortly, t. wh. Euro. will have large powerful but, fewer Countries. The then Heads of Nations will have no difficulty in making Treaties and understanding each other. In this way, t whole Europe will unite under 1 Christ perhaps. Also, as the Govts. if W Euro nations and US are committing a grave mistake by supporting t. Ukranians against Russ. ; same way the Union Govt of Russia at Moscow is doing a serious Blunder by supporting the Syrian Arabs against Israel, t. only Jewish Country. Now, Syria is a nearly 100 % Shia majority nation. Naturally, has got a close secret fdship. with Iran. Iran, is aiding and abetting the Shia Houthi rebeks, against their peaceful majority Arab Sunni Muslims and.a minority Arab Ortho. Christns. Not only this, t. Iran Govt. has already prepared a strong group of Shia extremist gang called, Hejbollaha , and sent it to the North, to forment trouble for t. Ancient E ortho. Arab Christians of Lebanon, killing in cold - blood the most liberal - humane and Secular Sufi Muslims like, Druzes , Sunni Muslim Arabs ( if found alone ) , and of course the Jews ( they are neither, Zoroastrians, Christians, Muslims nor, Hindus - Buddhists ) . May be, am imagining not digmatic to you or others. But please, be kind to convey my feelings and conclusions to t.intellectuals near you and t. Un. Govt. of your Country. Lastly, requesting to pray to your Cent. Govt. Leader to convey my message to the Heads of various other States or Nations of Europe and of Pan Am. ( sp. US ) . In this way , a day will come soon, when Euro becomes strong n united under 1 Christ , and flushes out the hated Turks out of the E Europe. Then, peace and prosperity will come to whole Europa. Am a devout Hindustani/ Sindustanee / Bharatiya / Indian Hindu but , respect all Religions equally. Among Non - Hindu relis., I specially like Christianity, and among the Races, like t. Euros. most. Nice day to You and Best of Luck.
Negative, the Arbanites being anthropologically and culturally Doric Greek, belonging to the Greek Orthodox patriarchy, a literal ethno-religious community where only Hellens by identity could member, not even Orthodox Slavs were accepted, as they holded another identity. And Arbanitika is a language, not a dialect.
You are correct
"Included under the generic name of Arnauts, it was recruited from Roumeliote Greeks, Albanians, Bulgarians and Servians, who acted as body-guards to the princes, the great functionaries, and even the simple Boyards."
Gordon Thomas, History of the Greek revolution, 1844, London & Edinburgh, 2nd edition, volume 1, page 95
Arnaut means Arvanite! has nothing to do with slavs or with anyone else. Slavs called is Arbanski or Arbanas there are villages in Croatia,Ukraine,Bulgaria who has Arnaut,Arbanas,Arvanite origin they still speak Albanian.
@@user-hb9hd7gl6m "The ethnonym "Albanian", where it is found in medieval sources, has one of the following meanings: a) Someone who speaks Albanian, b) someone from the geographical area of Albania, REGARDLESS OF THE LANGUAGE SPOKEN, and c) a man of the mountains and the countryside."
Schmitt Jens Oliver (2009), Skanderbeg: Der neue Alexander auf dem Balkan, pp. 353, 354
@@user-hb9hd7gl6m "We remark that the term "Albanian" is not an ethnic qualification but, as the terms "Zouave" and "Dragon", is used as GENERIC to certain corps of infantry, formations of mercenaries recruited among Christians of Turkey. The Albanian Regiments were used also by the Italians and the French".
Bode, Andreas (1975). «Albaner und Griechen als Kolonisten in Neurussland"», Beitrage zur Kenntnis Sudosteuropas und des Nahen Orients, Munchen, vol. 16 (1975), pp. 29-35
@@user-hb9hd7gl6m "This model is not applicable for the case of Albania, as the Albanian ‘nation’ is a modern phenomenon that dates only to the beginning of the twentieth century."
Perparim Xhaferi, 2019 "Albanian National Identity in the twenty-first century: Escaping from the Ottoman heritage?", University of Sydney
Too much advertising. Who was Prof. Markos Bocari from Queensland? I can't find this person in the Internet.
Bocaris in Greece are Greeks, but I had one professor in University in Tirana, Albania with last name Bocari who is 100% Albanian, his family originating from the Paramythia/Souli region in today's Greece.
@@HK-pp9ig How an Albanian will originate from paramythia what paramythia or durres or pogradec etc mean in albanian?
@@dggmn2109 Albanians did not originate from Paramythia. Albanians originated from what is today central Albania; Albanopolis is not far from Tirane. Albanians are believed to originate from Illyrian tribes that lived along the eastern Adriatic coast, and as far east as Scupi (Slavic Skopje) and north-east Naissus in Serbia. While many other Illyrian tribes became Slavicized from Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia and western Serbia, some mountainous tribes survived the Slavization. Pogradec most likely is a Bulgarian toponym, while Durres derived from Epidamnos/Durrahyon - an old Greek colony. Macedonia and Epirus were the outliers of ancient Greek world only accepted into the Greek world after Alexander the Great took Epirus and entire Greece under his rule; this Greek antiquity ended in 146 BC with Rome conquering Greece. Thracians and other tribes outside Greece were Slavicized, while some other areas became Latinized (Romania). From 146 BC Greeks lost their prominence in the region, and were called Romans (due to Eastern roman Empire ruling from Buzantium/ Constantinople) until early 19th century. Romans expanded Epirus from the northern border defined by Aosa river to include Durres (Durrahyon) and as north as bordering Republic of Venice in Lissus and Scutari. Old Albanians in Athens and other parts of Old Greece migrated south from Albanopolis and other Arbanon areas due to Slavic massive migration in southeast Europe. They were Greek Orthodox in religion but spoke Albanian language. Arvanite today is listed as an Albanian Language, no relationship to Greek. Just like Arberesh in Italy is a Medieval Albanian dialect. Greek lands and Albanian lands from 9th cantury until 14th century were ruled by Slavic rulers from Bulgaria, Serbia, and then again Bulgaria. Slavic migration penetrated Greece as deep as vast ereas of Epirus, along with other tribes, especially Aromanians (Vlahs).
@@dggmn2109 means: Te qifsha rracen e kafshes qe te ka bere koken.
Arvanites were Albanian orthodox and have a rich and long history.
Sad that Greeks didn’t give them their merit.
Arvanites were Albanian orthodox. And they were forced by Greek Regime to forget their ethnicity and become Greek.
Pontic Greeks of Anatolia came in 1922 to Greece and so they took lands of many albanian orthodox.
@@markosbotsaris32 historically proven? Got any sources that say Arvanites aren't Albanian?
Arvanites are proud of their Greek homeland, and they're also proud of their Albanian heritage. I know a group of Arvanites in Athens, they know their roots.
Albanians and Greeks are brothers, divided by delusions from both sides.
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@έτερος εγω I know several arvanites in Athens, they know their Albanian origins, but they are also proud of their Greek homeland.
@έτερος εγω Italy attacked Albania first, don't forget, Albanian partizans helped Greece against Italy and the Nazis. Yes, Chams were war criminals and Nazi collaborators, but Albanians and Greeks fought side by side.
Remember when King Otto went to Greece and found out there were llots of people speaking Albanian? We are brother peoples, DNA tests can't even detect a major difference between Albanian and Greek DNA, that's why Greek, Albanian and South Italian are all one in the same. Arvanites are Greek and Albanians, and yes, they are lions.
@έτερος εγω My grandfather was only 5 years old then. My great-grandfather was a partisan in north Macedonia, fighting against the Nazis and Slavs.
Let's make something clear that the Greek *Arvanite has nothing to do with the Albanian and the Turkish-Albanian!!
And we discover this from the etymology of words (the etymology of Greek words always gives us the answer)
The name Albanian = White country and comes from the Latin Alba = which means white country, so it is a term with a geographical and not an ethnological meaning (see Caucasus, that's where the Romans brought them, after all, from the kingdom of Albania)
While Arvanitis originates from Arvanon (which refers to the Suliotes, the Spesiotes, the Hydrians and many inhabitants of Messogeia) it comes from a completely different root and specifically it is a toponym of northern Epirus that we find from the 11th century in the writings of Anna Komneni. Arvanitika is a Greek dialect mixed with ancient Greek, Latin, Turkish and local Balkan linguistic elements.
The Arvanites had a Greek conscience, while most Albanians were Turkish, hence the word Turko-Albanian!
The confusion of the two words is only in the Greek language because they seem to sound alike, the similarity is only superficial, after all the Albanians themselves call themselves Skipetar (Shqiptar), that is, from their country, Skiperia (Shqipëria), the land of eagles!
The only relevant thing between the Greek Arvanites and the Shqiptar is that they understood some words from the other, but they never had and have the same national consciousness.
*The Arvanites of Greece, having their roots in the ancient Greek Arvanos, never accepted the term Albanians as their ethnonym, as the Souliotes and the Himareans and the Spathiotes and all the Northern Epirotians do to this day.
They have always declared that they are Greek Arvanites.
This means that behind the ethnonym Albanians and the patronymic Arvanitis there are two different peoples, the Albanians and the Greeks.
This is to clarify the irregularity as far as the similarity of the words is concerned, but the ultimate goal is the Greek consciousness that exists among the Greek Arvanites!
The British professor P. Trudgill after on-site research finds that: "The people themselves are referred, not as Albanians, but as Arvanites, sing: Ἀρβανίτης" : Arvanitis'.)
Με το να λες πως γίνεται μια σύγχυση στην ελληνική γλώσσα με τον όρο Αλβανός και Αρβανίτης επειδή μοιάζουν πολύ στην ελληνική γλώσσα οι δυο όροι δείχνει ποσό ανιστόρητοι είναι ή Νέο Έλληνες (Πόντιοι🇦🇲🇬🇪 και Καραμανλήδες🇹🇷). Οι Αλβανοί όπως και οι Αρβανίτες προτού εμφανιστεί ο όρος Σκιπετάρ αποκαλούσαν τον εαυτό τους Αρμπερές (Arbëreshë) και όχι Σκιπετάρ. Ο όρος Σκιπετάρ εμφανίστηκε για πρώτη φορά τον 15ο αιώνα και εξαπλώθηκε τον 18ο αιώνα. Ο όρος Σκιπετάρ συνδέεται με τον μεγάλο Αλβανό εθνικό ήρωα Σκεντέρμπεη και θα σου εξηγήσω παρακάτω γιατί.
Ιστορικά οι Αλβανοί της Αλβανίας, οι Αρβανίτες της Ελλάδας και οι Αρβανίτες της Ιταλίας μίλαγαν μόνο μια γλώσσα (αλβανικά) και αποκαλούσαν τον εαυτό τους Αρμπερές και ποτέ Σκιπετάρ διότι ο όρος Σκιπετάρ δεν υπήρχε ακόμα.
Οι Αλβανοί και οι Αρβανίτες είναι η φυλή των Arbëreshë απόγονοι των Ιλλυριών. Η Αλβανία δεν αποκαλούνταν Σκιπερία αλλά Άρμπερία ή Άρμπανον. Η Άρμπερία ή Άρμπανον είναι η χωρα των Αρμπερές, αργότερα η χώρα ανομαστικε Σκιπερία και οι κάτοικοι της Σκιπετάρ λόγο του Σκεντέρμπεη.
Όταν οι Έλληνες για παράδειγμα αποκαλούν έναν ήρωα ως Αρβανίτη, τον ίδιο ήρωα όλοι οι υπόλοιποι συγγραφείς της παγκόσμιας ιστοριογραφίας των αποκαλούν Αλβανό διότι πρόκειται για την ίδια φυλή. Εξάλλου η μετάφραση της λέξεις Αλβανός στα ελληνικά ήταν Αρβανίτης. Οι Τούρκοι για παράδειγμα από την λέξη Αρβανίτης μετέφρασαν την δικιά τους λέξη Άρναουτ ή Άρβανουτ που σημαίνει Αλβανός στα τουρκικά.
Οι Αλβανοί της Αλβανίας και οι Αρβανίτες μέχρι και σήμερα διατηρούν ακόμα τον όρο Αρμπερές. Ο όρος Αρμπερές είναι ποιο παλιός από τον όρο Σκιπεταρ.
Όταν ήρθαν οι ορδές των Τούρκων για πρώτη φορά στην Ελλάδα (14-15 αιώνα) αρκετοί Αρβανίτες που κατοικούσαν στην Ελλάδα, κύριος Μορέα και Αττική αναγκάστηκαν να φύγουν από την Ελλάδα για να πάνε Ιταλία να σώσουν τις οικογένειες τους, στην Ιταλία οι Αρβανίτες αυτοί αποκαλούν μέχρι και σήμερα τον εαυτό τους Αρμπερές και όχι Αρβανίτη ή Σκιπετάρ. Αρβανίτης είναι ελληνική λέξη ενώ ο όρος Σκιπεταρ ήταν όρος που δεν είχε εξαπλωθεί ακόμα και δεν τον είχαν ακούσει.
Οι Αρβανίτες της Ιταλία δεν ξέρουν ελληνικά, ξέρουν μόνο αλβανικά και τα ιταλικά τα μάθανε όταν φτάσανε Ιταλία. Το ωραίο της υπόθεσης είναι πως οι Αρβανίτες της Ιταλίας δεν φύγανε από την σημερινή γεωγραφική Αλβανία αλλά από την σημερινή Ελλάδα και η μόνη γλώσσα που ξέρουν είναι η Αρμπερές (αλβανική) γλώσσα και ούτε λέξη ελληνικά. Οι Αλβανοί, οι Αρβανίτες και οι Arbëreshë της Ιταλία όλοι τους είναι μια φυλή και μιλάνε μια γλώσσα, την αλβανική γλώσσα. Όταν λες πως οι Αλβανοί και οι Αρβανίτες καταλαβαίνουν μόνο μερικές λέξεις ο ένας από τον άλλον δείχνει ποσό ανιστόρητοι είναι οι Νέο Έλληνες. Όσο διαφέρουν τα αγγλικά της Αγγλίας με τα αγγλικά της Αμερικής τόσο διαφέρουν και τα αλβανικά από τα αρβανίτικα. Πρόκειται για την ίδια γλώσσα ακριβός, τα αρβανίτικα είναι αλβανικά και τα αλβανικά είναι αρβανίτικα. Είναι ακριβός η ίδια γλώσσα.
Ο όρος Σκιπετάρ λοιπόν είναι ένας όρος που εμφανίστηκε μετά τον θάνατο του Σκεντέρμπεη και σημάνει απόγονος του αετού ή γιος του αετού. Η φράση ‘’γιος του αετού’’ είναι συμβολική και υποδουλώνει την καταγωγή των Αλβανών από τον μεγάλο Σκεντέρμπεη που είχε τον αετό για σύμβολο του, έτσι άρχισαν οι Αλβανοί της Αλβανίας να υιοθετούν τον όρο Σκιπετάρ και τον χρησιμοποιούσαν παράλληλα με τον όρο Arbëreshë, και η Αλβανία από Άρβανον ονομαστικέ Σκιπερία (χώρα των αετών).
Αρβανίτης σημάνει Αλβανός🇦🇱. Οι Αρβανίτες της Ελλάδος και της Ιταλίας μαζί με τους Αλβανούς είναι το ίδιο αίμα. Οι Αρβανίτες δεν έχουν φυλετική σχέση με τους μαύρους Μικρασιάτες (Πόντιους🇦🇲🇬🇪 και Καραμανλήδες🇹🇷). Οι Πόντιοι έχουν το ίδιο DNA με τους Αρμένιους🇦🇲 και τους Γεωργιανούς🇬🇪, έχουν και ίδια παραδοσιακή ενδυμασία, ίδια τραγούδια, μουσική και χορούς, ενώ οι Καραμανλήδες🇹🇷 ήταν Τούρκοι🇹🇷 ορθόδοξοι χριστιανοί που δεν ήξεραν ούτε καλημέρα να πουν στα ελληνικά όταν φτάσανε στη Ελλάδα. Πόντιοι🇦🇲🇬🇪 και Καραμανλήδες🇹🇷 φτάσανε για πρώτη φορά στην Ελλάδα το 1922-23 με την ανταλλαγή των πληθυσμών και δεν έχουν καμία σχέση με τα γεγονότα και τους ήρωες του 1821 γιατί τότε αυτοί ζούσαν ακόμα στην μικρά Ασία.
Στην Ελλάδα ζουν πολλές διαφορετικές φυλές που το παίζουν Έλληνες, η Ελλάδα είναι ένας πολτός από διαφορετικές φυλές που το μόνο κοινό που έχουν είναι η ορθόδοξη πίστη και τίποτα άλλο.
Αρβανίτες🇦🇱, βλάχοι🇷🇴, Εβραίοι🇮🇱, Ρομά🇮🇳, Σλάβοι🇷🇸, Πόντιοι🇦🇲🇬🇪 και Καραμανλήδε🇹🇷 όλοι αυτοί έχουν την δικιά τους μητρική γλώσσα και τα ελληνικά τα έχουν μάθει τα έχουν μάθει τα τελευταία 200 χρόνια.
Didn't expect this documentary to be so well-researched and based on facts. Well done 👏
Me too especially the fact that the Muslim Albanians were persecuting the Christian Arvanites and had to fled to Greece and became one with the other Greeks and fight for the liberation of Greece was an eye opener.
The docu conveniently forgot that the Turks settled a lot of Albanians in Greece after various revolts.
..to dilute the Greek element.
Also ..most Albanians converted to Islam out of fear ..Greeks didn't.
Not so brave after all.
„Most Albaniand converted to Islam out of fear….Greek didn’t“
You know we have about 300 Revolts against the Ottomans ( without Arvanites).
Please show me 1 Revolt of thue great Greeks ( no Arvanites revolt! ), there is only one the Orlov 🇷🇺🇬🇷!
You don’t know that the Greeks and Slavs where protected by the Byzantine Church ( ruled from Russia ) ?
You don’t know that the Byzantine Church didn’t accept the Albanian Church?? Why ?? Our Land men !
Albanians converted into islam almost 300 years after their country fell to the ottomans. Albanians made the most stubborn resistance against ottomans. Why did they convert to islam? Because there wasn't an albanian church. The orthodox churches started to manipulate albanians trying to covert them to greeks or serbs (like they did with arvanites). Threatened by this, albanians decided to convert to islam in order to preserve their identity as albanians.
@@albarmy1Such a great point. Ottoman history is full of reports documenting the uprisings of Albanians in so many locations which were brutally crushed. Look at south Albania. It is a melting pot of Ottoman and Greek influences. Greeks and Ottomans persecuted and executed so many Albanian patriots and intellectuals who dared to promote and teach Albanian language, all the way to the first World War. Greeks continue to be the most dangerous country to Albania’s safety and prosperity. They proved that in 1997 too. We will never be fully safe from their ambitions. Arvanites in the comments here are as brainwashed and full of hatred as their Greek brothers.
Nice video 👍👍👍
The Byzantine empire was the longest in world history = 11 centuries = world record.
A lot of historical distortions.
Arvanites/Albanoi/Arvanon/Arvanoi/Arvanites are/were 100% Epirotes/Greeks with a recorded 4000 years history and archaeological finds, the unknown newcomers Albanians in history, were brought from the Ottomans from Asia, they have nothing in common with Arvanites. Today's Albanians didn't exist in history.
Albanian DNA has nothing to do with Greek DNA of Minoan/Mycenean descendant = Arvanites have also the same DNA, with proven 268.000 samples in a int'l DNA examinination.
The important thing is the ethnic Greek consciousness of the Arvanites is the same since thousands of years.
North Epirus belongs to Hellas.
There will always be these rare Greeks, who will liberate or expand Hellas.
If Arvanites or MegaAlexandros or Leonidas or Themistokles or Achilles, in every century, in every critical condition and circumstances, Greek Heroes appear from their ashes and the Greek nation will be born again and again....Hellas is reborn several times in world history since ancient times, additional today's to find the proven continuity of Greeks through DNA studies.
Blabla 😂 what are without Albanians/Vlahs/Slavs ? Asia Greeks only 😂
Before you speak try to understand the meaning of the word "Arvanites".
the closest dna of the arvsnitas are the Kosovo Albanians. They share the same ancestors before 1000-2000 years. So what are you talking ?
I don't understand how some people like you can be so idiotic, because you wrote the word Albania several times in different pronunciations and you still think the opposite.
The real name of Skourtaniotis was Gatsis. It was customary in those years when someone fought against the Turks and distinguished himself for his bravery, to give him the name of the village he came from.
I wish you could provide as many sources as you have for the music of this mocumentary. And by the way, all the ARVANITES heroes of 1821 were talking and writing in Hellenic because they are Hellenes. See Markos Botsaris for example, he wrote whole book in Hellenic. Dont make it worse than it already is for you poor barbarian sheeple. At least go open up a history book.
Hehehehehe can't handle the truth you romioi? 🤣
@@albarmy1Yes, I'm a Hellen, that is, a true Roman, Aegean and European, unlike you.
Council of Europe's mission visited Albania and formed a Center for Ethnic Research in Tirana. In April 2002, the Center delivered a questionnaire of 33 questions to the Albanian population all over the country.
"The results of this research show that about one million or 35% of the total population in the country are members of minorities. This makes Albania a multiethnic state," said the Director of the Center for Ethnic Research in Tirana, Kimet Fetahu.
Greeks calling Albanians multi ethnic... ironic 😂
@@southepirote7676 "The coastal Himara region of Southern Albania has always had a predominantly ethnic Greek population."
"Albania: The state of a nation". ICG Balkans Report N°111. p. 15. Archived from the original (PDF) on 8 August 2010. Retrieved 2 September 2010
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@@southepirote7676 "Greeks, Armenians, Jews, Persians, Chinese and Japanese could be cited as examples of ethnic continuity, since, despite massive cultural changes over the centuries, certain key identifying components-name, language, customs, religious community and territorial association-were broadly maintained and reproduced for millennia.“
Anthony D Smith 2003, Chosen Peoples: Sacred Sources of National Identity, p. 98
@@southepirote7676 And the analbanians?! Where are they?!! lol NOWHERE TO BE FOUND!
The Arvanites are a big part of Greek history but I wouldn’t call them founders. The Filiki Eteria, Greek Elite of the Ottoman Empire, Maniates, Cretans, Ali Pasha’s Greco-Albanian state and so many were responsible for the revolution so we can’t have one group seen as the founders. Let’s also not forget intellectuals and the Greeks who were merchants and also in foreign militaries who pushed for the revolution. The Arvanites were our amazing fighters but they weren’t the only ones.
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@@ChildrenOfTheEagle 🤣🤣love how you point him towards the facts without saying nothing...love it . Epic.
@@thorgunderson-theswede86 what facts?that's just propaganda
@@user-mf6rq9cp5z You are the one who is believing in lies but you don’t see it since you are blind. Open your eyes.
@@user-mf6rq9cp5z Ha! The same ORTHODOX mentality as your “BRATHERS” (Serbs) as you guys say in Greece. Propaganda is ANYTHING and EVERYTHING that calls you out on your bullshit. Ohhhhhhh Grekos, you’ve been brainwaaaaaaasssssshhhhhhhhheeeeeeddddddd. WAAAAAAAKKKKKKKEEEEEEEE UPPPPPPPP.
Using your logic, the arvanites are Albanian heroes who created modern Greece. What about the Albanians who fought for the Ottomans against the revolutionaries?
They were muslim
Nobody is denying them. We are saying that albanians got divided by religion and got used like pawns by greeks, turks by the blessings of the Great Powers
The Greek Revolution was projected by the Great Powers, only supported by them, and Greece have been never ethno-culturally replaced, based on census, Greece's population was majorly Greek speaking of distinct variations of the Hellenic linguistic family branch such as Doric Greek for the Arbanites who made only 7.8% of the total population. Katharevousa was made lingua franca, based on Attic Greek.
Amazing content and I really love all the facts. Makes me want to remove all the dramatic effects that make it seem less serious than what it is. This part of history should also be investigated and revealed, but let the history set the tone. Don’t set the tone for history, it creates negative connotations.
With all due respect, many independent Greek historians have admitted many of the facts mentioned in the video for a very long time. So who's to blame here..? Should this channel take the blame for highlighting what Greek historians are already admitting and then blame the "messenger" for creating negative connotation, or is it Greek historiographical propaganda machine that's denying these facts and demonizing those that speak out?
@@ChildrenOfTheEagle I absolutely agree with you. Don’t get me wrong, I am well aware of what happened there and what has happened to ethnicities and cultures in nation building. This happened many places and is still happening to Tibetans, uighurs, aborigines, Palestinians, tribes in Africa and South America, etc. My point is that the propaganda machine that has taken place will fall upon itself when presented with the historical facts. The history is awful as it is, but when the presenter of history sets the tone, he also makes a narrative that might obscure the intention, which is to highlight what happened. I don’t want this valuable information to be discredited because of its emphatic narrative, but rather because it reflects the true state of affairs during those times. Since the “Greek” state has already been invented and now factually exists in the world and the psyche of the Greek people, it is counterproductive because the idea of a Greek state is real today, but by whom and what it was founded upon, is not. That is the essence of this video, to highlight the truth of what happened to the true people of todays Greece. Greeks and the world today are unaware of this fact, it’s been purposely erased from the collective consciousness. This is why any attempt of rectifying it must be done without feelings and emotions, but simply with the truth. All the ignorance is to blame, but everyone was victims to these great powers, unfortunately in this case, Albanians the most. My point was that even if you removed many of the dramatic effects, the message would still be powerful. Nonetheless, really great job in bringing this information out.
@@AlOfNorway You are absolutly right that this topic is sensitive and should be treated with respect, and not discriminate against the Greek people, which i clearly mention 43:44. Be that as it may, countries around the world, especially European countries that helped consolidate the modern Greek state, know these facts very well. Each of these heads of states have their own historians, military advisors, economists etc, who often counsul their elected officials when drafting political agreements with nations, but also enlighten their officials of deep rooted conflicts between nations. Though the Arvanite struggle has purposefully been manipulated by Greek historiography for decades, more light ought to be shed on the lies, whether that be with or without dramatic effects. 😉
Thank you for your appreciation and your thoughtful reasoning. Enjoyed it!
@@ChildrenOfTheEagle There should indeed be acknowledgment of the fact and I am grateful you are bringing light to the topic. Thank you for the answers and likewise!
I don't understand, then if the regions of Morea, Attiqui, and even so far as Hydra got their independence they named their country the Greece, and as official language Greek ? You say they couldn't speak Greek, yet Bouboulina named her ship Agamemnon (from the legendary king) ? How come even the Ottomans called it the Rum uprising (and not the Arvanite uprising) ? The truth is that you want to link it all to Albania because of nationalism, but the Arvanites left Albania for Greece and Italy because they didn't want to leave their Orthodox faith, and they were persecuted in their homeland by the now muslim Albanians
No no he doesn’t make it for Albania or maybe it was Albania or something and we know that this people protect the Greek Land and his minorities.
The problem is more what Modern Greece has become, they banned their language why not accepting as a 2 language Arvanites created the first Capital in Nafplio but in Tosk language. They can be Greek but they where our brothers back then also, me as a Gheg Albanian i can understand their songs to 95% and you should als know that the Arvanite are Autokton in Greece, Tosk Albanians from Epirus and Gheg Albanians migrated to Greece
@@Arber-4673 maybe you are right, I don't believe in black and white, and my country probably has its fair shares of human rights violations, but this channel has huge nationalist propaganda. He says that when the muslims where sent to turkey in the population exchange it was to supress their identity, while Greece was actually forced to do that, and it remains one of the most painful traumatisms of our people
@@audyssea i understand that it was also painful for the Greeks that lived under Turkish regime but 1 thing that violated Greece against his Albanian Muslim minority was : the Greece president of this time, i don’t remember his name, promises to the Albanian Ambassador of Greece, i think it was one of the Frasheri brothers that they would exchange only the non- Albanian Muslims, he wouldn’t touch the Albanian minority but he didn’t hold his word, the best thing that we can move on and be good neighbors in the future is to clear and speak about the Cham issues because it was really bad for them what they where going through.
@@Arber-4673 I think you are right, what has to be done today is for it to be aknowledged. It probably is too late for reparations since it's been three generations (I wouldnt for exemple see my family move back to turkey), but the pain can't heal if those responsables aren't pointed, and if the countries (mainly greece and turkey) do not aknowledge this part of their history... same goes for the armenians, whos genocide is still to be recognised... anyway thanks for your comment, i was expecting only shortminded nationalists to answer
When Arvanites left Albania, Albanians were 100% Christians with the majority of the population being eastern orthodox!
"The language of the Albanians is unformed and adulterated. In many areas Italian elements have been incorporated into the language, in others Greek and in others Slavonic. Therefore Albanians who live fifty or sixty miles apart do not understand each other. In addition, there are racial differences between the Gegs who live in the wild north and the Tosks in the less rugged south. One would say that they belong to different ethnicities. And indeed this is the case. It would be easy to prove that the Albanians are not one people but half a dozen peoples."
Sir John Foster Fraser, "Pictures from the Balkans", CHAPTER XXIV. THE ALBANIANS, p. 257-258)
@vangelisskia214 - That's sounds prety much acurate... Albanians are more of several tribes speaking a similar language that differs the more and more when you move outward. Albanians were one of the latest nations to join under one state -Germans did so only in 1871. I think that happened because of Albanians being fiercely independent tribes who ruled a well-defined area. Mainland Greeks were similarly, very stubborn, independent and defiant... that's why big cities emptied during the Ottoman rule, population moved up the mountains where Ottomans could not effectively reach.
Η διαφορά της γλώσσας gjegj και tosk είναι όπως η Έλληνες και η Κύπριοι δεν ήμαστε διαφορετικές φίλες 😂 ένα DNA έχουμε
@@donbrah7909 National languages are in similar ways as Albanian dialects; Greece and Cyprus, Italy and Sicilian dialect; Germans have several dialects... As for DNA, north Albanians are more of Illyrian descent mixed with other; while the south Albanians are more Pellasgian, similar to Greeks DNA. Greetings
lathos@@donbrah7909 yparxoun arketes diafores
@@HK-pp9igPelasgians are Albanian tribe. Nice try at dividing Albanians though.
Korkodeilos Kladas was the first rebel Greek against Ottomans and Greece had 123 Revolutions before last Revolution 1821
It is highly probable that Korkodeilos Kladas was of Albanian origin. First, he served as a Stratioda (mercenary) for the Venetians, and in Venetian records he is expressly referred to as "Albanese" rather than Greek. As a paid mercenary, he defended the Venetian castle of Bardhuna, meaning "The White One" in Albanian, located in the Mani region of the Peloponnese. Although he led the Stratioda, Venetian records also document his collaboration with Gjon Kastrioti, Skanderbeg's father, to fight against the Ottomans.
Lastly, there is a possibility that he was is Greek. However, given his strong connection to Mani, his birthplace, and the ancient toponym associated with it, which modern Greek historians recognize as having an Albanian meaning ("Mulberry"), have a strong historical continuity of Albanian presence in the Mani region for thousands of years.
@@ChildrenOfTheEagle source for you and dinosaurs 🦖 were Albananians everything in earth are Albanians, aliens were Albanians, Egyptians were Albanians but for all rest world history were Greeks and Kastriotis Giorgios was from Kastoria Kastoriotis origin what mean Kastoras in Greek language ok ancient Albania was in Caucasus for this your faces are wide faces Brachycephals and not Dolichocephals long faces like skulls Illyrians and Ancient Greeks and after you will say that Napoleon Zervas was Albanian but did the big Genoside after from Krokodeilos Kladas and Theodoros Kolokotronis against Albanians.
@@ChildrenOfTheEagle shane if you. Lies
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@@ChildrenOfTheEaglewhy you call kastrioti skenderbey? Because his original last name is greek ? Why you dont visit the greek museum to read the letters and see what they said ? Example Μάρκος Μπότσαρης wrote hellene can feel free when British flag is on the island i mean all these are written by them they wrote the letters they talked about ancient greece they talked about palaiologos its all written
You have your 1821 history you have ali pasha Omer vrioni etc
@@TartarusPyroKastrioti a greek name ? OMG! First of all let's fix it once and for all. Do you know where Kastrioti's descendants live? I tell you, they live in Italy. One of them is Loris Castriota, he has never and ever declared that he is Greek but he is very proud of his Albanian roots. Now let me tell you something new, Gjergj Kastrioti was born in NORTHERN ALBANIA ( Where greek presence and influence is equal to ZERO ). The birth place of his origin is Sina, a village that exist even today in Debar region, North East Albania! Before getting the last name "Kastrioti" his ancestors had the last name "Mazreku" which is still very common among Albanians and it means "Horse Breeder". Kastrioti aka Skanderbeg in turkish LORD ALEXANDER in honor of ALEXANDER THE GREAT , was Albanian and fought as an Albanian!
So an Albanian tribe revolt against the ottomans but then they choose to speak Greek instead of their already spoken Albanian language. They even introduce themselves as descendants of Leonidas of Sparta and Pericles.
What make you think that Albanians wanted to learn Greek ??? Maybe they had to because their language got „banned“from Greece from the ottomans from Southslavs and even from Byzantine church (🇷🇺) their church got never accepted as a Albanian even the superpowers that also created modern Greece didn’t accept it, our language is Nationality and they were once proud to dominate the streets in their language
@Arber-4673 was banned but anyone in Greek peninsula spoke albanian as you claim? 🤣 You are so messed up. It's OK if Albanians don't have a great history or culture. Most countries in the world don't. You can create one though! Stop stealing
@@romanb5903 when you forcefully impose a foreign language and assimilated ethnic minorities what do you think happens? It's true that the orthodox church banned Albanian language and its stated written fact. Whether you choose to believe so it's up to you while living in your Greek nationalist bubble.
It wasn't banned, as Arbanites were speaking Doric Greek, 1/3 of Arbanitika is Doric, the rest is Vlach, Arbanites were albanized during the communism ( the creator of Albania ), but still preserved this 1/3 of Doric Greek lexicals. The Greek language was banned over there, otherwise every single town in Albania and most regiona would have preserved their Greek original placenames and Arbanitika be fully Doric Greek.
No they spoke Greek, fought with Greeks, raised the Greek flag during combat, and assimilated.
Goosebumps😍😍
Proud about my arvanit brothers and sisters ❤️❤️ hopefully the Greeks one day will accept the truth and see that we have more in common than we have differences
Hopefully the Albanians one day will accept the same truth as well...
The only truth is that some Albanians are Islamised or communist greeks (some of which are Arvanite greeks) and some Islamised or communized slavs/tartars. There was no "Albania". The scoundrels of these nations joined to make a new country in 1912
What truth?? the truth albanians killed Arvanites? The truth that Arvanites dont consider themselves as albanians?
Arvanites language? Greek! So other thing albanians and other arvanites
@@oceansblue2😂😂😂
love your videos. keep them coming.
so why did They killed albanians wiTh firsT chance no fairyTales
Due to religious conflicts stirred up by the greek church.
Arvanites are Albanians of origin, nothing will ever change that. A simple search on Google or Chatgpt will help you find this information.
First of all, there are some exaggerations. And by saying SME I am very polite. Arvanites helped a lot to liberate Greece, Greeks were also there consisting the majority of population. You have shown us regions with Arvanite majority, in Attica, in Arkadia.... the rest was inhabited? And maybe after the Lausanne treaty Muslim Albanians deported, but the numbers are insignificant in relation to the general population. And as for Zervas, he just punished those who collaborated with the Italians and terrorised, the population, guess what. They were the administrators of the "Cameria principality", the Cams. Nevertheless there are not throughout history Greek Muslims who collaborated with Tirks, Greeks who became Muslim, became instantly Turks and that's why Christian Albanians of the Balkans came closer with Greeks as continuators of the Byzantine Empire. The "philhellenes" of the West had a very dark role in this story but also the Austrian interests helped to create an Albanian national myth to prevent a strong Greek state on the mouth of Adriatic sea.
@@katerinatsoliakou235 είπα κάτι λάθος;
It was so clear what the Albanians would say about the Arvanites (Greeks)
You scared because without Arvanites and Vlahs you are „ZERO“
There is no race as greek your country fouded by Albanians.And your profile picture flag is our Byzantine empire albanian flag.🇦🇱
@@Kryptohan "Greeks, Armenians, Jews, Persians, Chinese and Japanese could be cited as examples of ethnic continuity, since, despite massive cultural changes over the centuries, certain key identifying components-name, language, customs, religious community and territorial association-were broadly maintained and reproduced for millennia.“
Anthony D Smith 2003, Chosen Peoples: Sacred Sources of National Identity, p. 98
@@Kryptohan And the "great" Albanians?! Where are they?! Nowhere to be found... 🤣😂
@@Kryptohan "We remark that the term "Albanian" is not an ethnic qualification but, as the terms "Zouave" and "Dragon", is used as GENERIC to certain corps of infantry, formations of mercenaries recruited among Christians of Turkey. The Albanian Regiments were used also by the Italians and the French".
Bode, Andreas (1975). «Albaner und Griechen als Kolonisten in Neurussland"», Beitrage zur Kenntnis Sudosteuropas und des Nahen Orients, Munchen, vol. 16 (1975), pp. 29-35
"Included under the generic name of Arnauts, it was recruited from Roumeliote Greeks, Albanians, Bulgarians and Servians, who acted as body-guards to the princes, the great functionaries, and even the simple Boyards."
Gordon Thomas, History of the Greek revolution, 1844, London & Edinburgh, 2nd edition, volume 1, page 95.
Great documentary!
Bravo bravo të lumtë për punë e pa lodhur për vendin që duam, edhe për vendin që na është vjedhur nga greqia në bashpunim me rusinë edhe francë, anglinë..
This should educate some who are brainwashed. Proud of my roots. Sad that we don't get on with all of the Greeks.
Greek Arvanites were brought to Greece by the Byzantines as mercenaries from Northern Epiros, which was always Greek about 800 years ago. It is thought they were of Hellenic origin but lost their language. They were fierce fighters being mountainous people and were settled mainly around castles. They were Greek Orthodox Christians and stayed true to their faith. They wore a skirt which Greeks have been wearing since ancient times. After 800 years of living in Greece and remaining Christians, you can't claim them as Albanians. It's like saying the French are Norwegians because some Vilkings settled in Normandy at the same time. Having a tradition of fighting, they obviously had prominent fighters in 1821. They constituted 10 to 20 percent of the population. Do the other 80 percent not count. The people they were fighting were as they called them Turkalbanians. They decended in their 50s of 1000s to suppress the revolution. They were not fighting for Albanian, they were fighting for the Ottomans. These are today's Albanians who now want to claim credit through them for Greece's independence. If any Greek or Greek Arvanite was captured by a Turkalbanian they were impaled and the woman and children enslaved. It was better to die. This video is disinformation garbage. Albanians or Turkalbanians as the Greek Arvanites called them were their mortal enemies not brothers.
Johann Georg von Hahn 1811-1869: "The modern Greeks are, in the greater part, nothing more than Christianized Albanians."
Jacob Philipp Fallmerayer 1790-1861: "The Greek War of Independence was a "purely Shqiptarian (Albanian), not a Hellenic Revolution."
James Henry Skene 1812-1886: "The Albanians of Greece are called Arvaniti by the Greeks, and Arnaout by the Turks, but they call themselves Shqiptar."
@MRAlexis99 Fallenmyer was a racist with political motivation. He has been debunked completely even by his colleagues at the time. His theories are not based on any proper scientific studies or surveys. This is cutting-edge stuff , 1830s theories that have been completely debunked. A 2017 comprehensive DNA scientific study of the Peloponnese population totally disproves his theories. It was found the closest genetic population of the population is Sicily and Southern Italy. Sorry, not Albanian. BTW Fallenmyers theories were used by the Nazis to excuse their atrocities committed against the Greeks in that they were not Aryans. So I wouldn't quote him as he saw Albanians as inferior people.
Arvanites🇦🇱 and Albanians🇦🇱 are one race, have one blood and speak one language but I know very well is hard for you to understand the truth because you don’t speak the Albanian language. If you could speak Albanian then you would understand immediately what we are trying to tell you so many years.
I will tell you something that I’m sure you don’t know. The reason you don’t know is because in the Greek propaganda they avoid the mention the most important word, a key word to unlock the secret of Arvanites ones and for all. The 🔑 word is: Arbëreshë. The Arvanites are the Arbëreshë people.
The Arvanites in their own language which you can’t understand a word, refer to themselves as Arbëreshë and not as Arvanitis. Arvanitis was a term used by the Greek people to refer to Albanian people. The Albanians on the other hand use the term Arbëreshë to refer to themselves exactly as the Arvanites do. The term Shqiptar that modern day Albanians use to refer to themselves is relatively new as it spread in early 18th century. The Arvanites of Italy also refer to themselves as Arbëreshë and some times as Shqiptar also.
You say that Arvanites are Greeks who forgot their Greek language. This is incorrect and I will tell you why. First of all you should research the Arbëreshë people who are the Arvanites of Italy. The Arbëreshë people left Peloponnesus (then called Morea) during the 14th and the 15th century because of the ottomans and migrated to south and central Italy. The Arbërësh people of today speak only Albanian and Italian but they can’t speak Greek, if Arvanites could always speak Greek the Arbërësh of Italy would speak it too because the Arbërëshe people are Arvanites and lived in Greece for centuries before they left for Italy. If Arvanites are Greeks then the Arbëreshë would speak three languages, Albanian, Greek and Italian but they only speak Albanian and Italian, they don’t speak the Greek language that only the modern Arvanites speak.
The problem is that the modern Greeks don’t even know who these Arbëreshë people are, they don’t know that Arvanites live in other countries as well. The Arbëreshë people are the Albanians of Italy. Arvanites are the Albanians of Greece, Arbanasi are the Albanians of Croatia, Arnaut are the Albanians in turkey (Arnaut is a Turkish word translated from Arvanitis not Albanian but still a word that refer to Albanians or Arvanites because they are one and the same.
The Albanians of Italy the Arbëreshë are the same people with the Arvanites of Greece and during the 13th century they lived together as one race in Morea, Attica and other places. The good thing is that Italy is a really democratic nation and allowed the Arbëreshë to keep their language and speak it openly so the Arbëreshë today still speak Albanian, their true mother tongue. Italy did the same with the Greeks of Italy the Griko People or Grecanici as they are called. This Griko people still speak the Greek language and they are proud Greeks as the Arbëreshë are proud to be Albanians. But Greece did to Arvanites something very different from Italy, Greece brainwashed them in to believing that they are not Albanian but Greeks only because they were orthodox Christians, Greece did the same with 350.000 Karamanlides who were Turkish orthodox Christians and came to Greece in 1922 with the population exchange and live in Greece now and if you ask them they will say we are Greeks. Modern Greece is nothing more than a religious state, that’s all and we all know that very very well.
@@MRAlexis99 First of all they were 10-20% of the population. What about the other 80% of the Greeks? Did they play no part in their own history of independence? I suggest you buy books and read about the 1821 revolution , how it came about and its participants etc. After 800 years they not part of your history, they are part of Greece and Greek history . A lot happens in 800 years. They became very very Greek and you became their mortal Ottoman enemies. They stayed true to their Greek Orthodox faith , fully assimilated with the population, and fought to the death for Greece's freedom and would rather die than surrender to Turkalbanians as they referred to you, and afterwards participated to form the first Greek states. You can't be more Greek than that. It would be like me saying Greeks unified Italy because a large part of Southern Italy and Sicily are of Greek decent. Not only that , you were the enemy that tried to quell the revolution by brutal means. Now 200 years later you want to take credit for Greek freedom. With respect but even on a simple level Greeks (Greek Arvanites included ) have totally different appearances. Albanians have their own distinct features separate from Greeks and Greeks have their own. I see this nothing more as garbage historical disinformation with some hidden ulterior motive.
Albanian people are the missing link that connect modern Greeks with ancient Greeks. If you are not Albanian you can’t prove you are Greek.
By saying that the Arvanites were only 10-20% of the population in Greece you are 100% incorrect. Until 1922 Arvanites were the great majority of Greece. You should know that all those foreign visitors who visited Greece during 18th and 19th century they were amazed by the fact that while their were waiting to meet the Greeks they instead met a place full of different races of people of whom the Albanians were the majority as all of them said and wrote about it time and time again. You should know also that orthodox Albanians many times were called Greeks because of their orthodox faith while Muslim Albanians were called Turks. But the fact of the matter is that they were all Albanians and not Greeks in the modern meaning of the term Greek.
As you may know in 1922-23 the population exchange took place between Greece and Turkey, 1.200.000 Pontic people came from Asia manor to Greece along with 350.000 Karamanlides. Pontic population was a mixture of different races of people, like Greek, Armenians and Arabs while the Karamanlides were purely Turkish in origin and could not speak a single word in Greek language when they arrived in Greece for the first time.
Both Pontics and Karamanlides were Orthodox Christians, their faith alone was enough for Greece who was created as a religious state to accept them despite the fact that they were a mixture of different people. In Greece of that time as long as you were an orthodox then you could be considered Greek even if you were not a Greek. You could very well be a Turkish or Georgian orthodox back then and today your grandsons to fell 100% pure Greeks and make a tattoo of a Spartan soldier in their back to show the world how proud Greeks they are, not knowing or pretending not to know that their grandparents were only orthodox believers and not Greeks in blood.
You should learn that in 1821 the population of Greece was consisted of these races: Albanians, Vlachs, Slavs, Arabs, Turks, Jews, Gypsies and Tatars. The term Greek was long forgotten, nobody said I’m Greek back then because the term Greek was a referring to paganists of the ancient world. All the orthodox people were called Rum by the Ottomans, when you say to a modern Greek why the term Greek isn’t mentioned anywhere for so many centuries they say that Greeks were mentioned under the name Rum but the term Rum was referring to all orthodox people in general regardless of any ethnicity, people like Albanians, Vlachs, Slavs and so on were called Rum by the Ottomans because they all were orthodox Christians.
So the big question is out of all those races that I mentioned above who are the real descendents of Ancient Greeks. The answer is simple: the Albanians, only the Albanians can be descendents of the ancient Greeks because the Albanian language is the language that Homer spoke, is the language the Homer wrote Odyssey and Iliad. The problem is that modern Greeks get confused by the name Albanian or Albanian language.
Only when you comprehend that the Albanian language is the mother tongue of modern Greek language the truth will shine in you. Koine Greek is used for about 2000 years, Albanian (Homeric Langauge) is used for more than 8.000 years. Go and learn who the Arbëreshë people are and you will have the truth. The only real Greeks are the Albanian people and the Homeric language is the most authentic Greek language but is spoken only by the Albanians because is their language.
You say the Greeks forgot their language in 800 years and are now called Arvanites because they speak Albanian. I tell you that the Gypsies that are spread to so many countries still speak their mother tongue which is a dialect of Hindi language and you say that Greeks who created one of the worlds greatest civilizations couldn’t keep their language but the Gypsies could. You are wrong my friend. Arvanites are Christian Albanians who fought against Tourko-Albanians like Tourko-Cretans fought against orthodox Cretans. The fact that they fought doesn’t mean they are not of the same blood it just means that they had different religion and ideology.
This video is myth building at its finest and it's ridiculous.
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"This model is not applicable for the case of Albania, as the Albanian ‘nation’ is a modern phenomenon that dates only to the beginning of the twentieth century."
Perparim Xhaferi, 2019 "Albanian National Identity in the twenty-first century: Escaping from the Ottoman heritage?", University of Sydney
Albanian Awakening, rilindja, leaders such as Papa Kristo Negovani - a priest who taught Albanian in his church - and Pandeli Sotiri, who although he graduated in Greece, contributed to the propagation of the Albanian language, were both killed by the Orthodox Church as they defied both the Porte and the Greek Patriarchate.
Nice cherry picking, you mind you I pick up some other of his quotes, oh yeah feeling stupid now ?
Its like you did not even listen to the documentary.
@@rronlila988 "documentary"? 🤣This is plain prpogando in its clearest and worst form. This narrative can easily be dismantled by the use of countless real reliable international expert sources. This is a version of history believed only by Albanians and nobody else in the whole world.
@@claudiiusmaximus652Albanian is a modern, simple, fabricated and borrowed language.
@@hellenicnationalism7608 all nations from balkans are modern after the fall of the ottomans, started from your country, with the help of aromanian and albanian (being the vast majority in peloponese and other regions since the middle ages, there are sources to attest this btw) not to mentions those russians and englishman and the german king who ruled you, no greeks helped us to become independant in fact your were undermining our very existence because of your sh.tty myths and religion from your deluded church whom became a cia hotbed after ww2, then you brought anatolians from turkey from which most of them did not even called themselves greeks but rum (mostly related to georgians and armenians so actually from caucasia) today im looking forward after 1 century, descendant of the nba giannis will claim being the original sparta, your a laughing stock just stop
I love my AAlbanian brothers and I grew up with Arvanites. Your views are disconnected from reality, just like fanatic slavs you have no idea what we Greeks are.
Im not surprised these days, all our neighbours say the same rubbish.."Greece is not real, its African, they Hellenised their people.
But all I see is Greece is still the light and all its neighbours is darkness.
Be well, be truthful.
Why Greece is the only country in Europe that doesn't recognise any ethnic minorities ?
Falsification! i am Arvanites with Greek Dna..South Albania is simply Greek!! There are albanians in the south the tosks who are hellenes and albanians in the norht with turkic, slav dna
lmfao nice try xD
I'm Proud of my Arvanites 🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱
Greetings from beautiful Kosovo 🇽🇰🇦🇱
Well on the other hand we are not proud of Ottoman and Nazi worshippers during wars.
@@skeptim8096 You are acting so religious now. We are One anyways. Religion is something personal, but we can't change our Blood that we have the same.
I mean if you are one of the Arvanites
@@skeptim8096 ca thot o vlla sjam mir me anglishten ca thot per arvanitet greket dhe shqiptaret,
@@skeptim8096 you’re bad blood
@@skeptim8096 Don’t mix religion to blood. Both of them aren’t the same. Remember that.
Although there many inaccuracies in the video I think the Greeks have paid and continue to pay back the Albanians. Currently, there 1 million Albanian migrants living in Greece sending back 2 billion Euro annually. Without this cash injection, Albania will be in trouble.
Yep, both Albania and Greece states are in trouble your politicians lie as much as Albanian politicians lie... otherwise Greece would had not failed as a state in 2008... Albania is much worse as it went through socialism... yes, hundreds of thousands of Albanians live in Greece and some manage to spare some money to send to their parents back home in Albania. Greece is a very poor country to emigrate to. I went to work in Greece during summer when I was a student, but the pay was miserable. If I had worked that much in Albania probably I would have made the same amount of money... only that I am too proud to work random jobs in Albania... anyway, after graduating, I went again to Greece in a scientific symposium, and was treated much better by the Greeks... the first time, one Greek farmer cheated me and my friends on money... well what could we do. I have seen Greek soldiers beating Albanians really bad for crossing the border illegally; but they did not beat me... I spoke English instead of a broken Greek.
I have tried Italy, and can tell that the police and Italian people there were much much more friendly with Albanians. A few years later when I visited Italy, the birder guard was very friendly with us and was trying to say some words in Albanian; I asked him why he was treating us so friendly, and he said he never had any troubles with Albanians, and that the press sometimes exaggerates wrongdoings from immigrants, and it is publicity and political games; he said that his friend had a private business and he only employs Albanians as they are honest and hard working people. Albanians, Greeks and Italians are very friendly with one-another in the USA... and most Albanians speak easily two or three foreign languages. I am fluent in Italian and English, but can keep a conversation in Greek, Spanish and German, and have some understanding of French and Serbian/Bulgarian...
This is nothing to do with cash, this is ancestry roots , and the original language
Ok. Greeks are doing it for charity. I got you.
@@Henrik_channel Yes, Doric Greek.
1) Albanians are an ancient population of the Balkans and are not Arabs as some commentators claim.
2) Greek, Albanian and Armenian are some of the oldest and most related languages and peoples. It does not matter which one is "older" and as far I know, none of the 3 has actually been determined as such. What does matter though, is that these 3 languages are the closest between them and that means that the people are the closest between them. The 3 of us can be 3 bad cousins, like Yemen, Sudan, and Eritrea or we can be 3 good cousins like Norway, Sweden, and Denmark. It is our choice to make. If you have besa or philotimo, then you already know the answer!
3) The Arvanites joined the Greek nation out of their own free-will and accord. They were not coerced or forced into this marriage. When this marriage happened back in the 1800's, Greeks had not the power to coerce the Arvanites. This presents a serious problem to the Albanian nationalist narrative.
4) The reason why modern Albanians are portrayed in Greek and European media as lower-class is due to the collapse of Hoxha's regime in the 90's & the massive waves of Albanian migrants that created a social and economic underclass both in Greece as well as in Italy and in other European countries. This is slowly changing as Albanian people rise to join the middle and upper classes. The Polish people are an underclass in the UK, the Turks in Germany, the Greeks in the US back in the 20th century.
5) This video was clearly made by a layman and not a historian.
6) The Greek nation conducted 124 revolts against the Ottoman Empire. About 120 out of 124 times they fought with their Arvanite brothers-in-arms against the Muslim Albanians serving the Turks. Albanian nationalist supremacists can blame Greeks all they like for the separation between Muslim Albanians and Christian Greek Arvanites, but in reality, the only people they should be blaming are themselves as the descendants of the Muslim Albanian converts who proactively suppressed their Christian Arvanite brothers while serving the Turks in the most odious and brutal manner possible.
7) The Arvanites thus preferred to join with the Greeks than join the Muslim Albanians who were enslaving them to the Turks. The Arvanites made a clear decision that they would rather live under the Greeks than under their Muslim Albanian brethren and their Turkish overlords.
The truth cuts both ways.
Oh not at all !
Brought from Armenia by the Romans and Ottomans
Long life to ARVANITES , the guy who killed marko boqari its from my city and he was big hunter and turks pay him to go and kill boqari without he knows that he is albanian origin , and when boqari died he said • o nena ime • who means o my mother , after those words LLESHI I ZI he came back to his city and said this think to some people and he was so disappointed that kill his brother
Beautiful documentary!
This doc taught me to be careful.
Even today it's impossible to find greek speaking people in Athens, if one try ancient greek and use erasmian pronouciation. ;)
Second, all cultures of the former ottoman empire had similarities in clothing, music, food. (Even today)
BUT: my greatest respect and admiration to the albanian people. I'm happy to have many friends from there, great people!!
That's because Erasmian pronunciation is a dated artificial reconstruction of (Ancient) Greek made by a 16th century western scholar. As such, it sounds from inaccurate to laughable to Greek ears. See czcams.com/video/BOqdrWlR4Gw/video.html regarding one of Erasmus' major reconstruction errors, which also includes information on modern (Ancient) Greek language reconstruction and an explanation of how Ancient Greek pronunciation evolved into Modern Greek pronunciation through the Koine.
why didn't they establish their own homeland Albania?
There are two ways to determine the origin of people, the biological and the one of National consciousness.
Yes,the Arvanites were Christians of Albanian decent and language . Their name Arvanites instead of Albanians prevailed among the Greeks, to distinguish the Christian Albanians from the Muslim Albanians which called TurkAlbanians(like Ali Passa).
It is true that they fought side by side with the Greeks, against the Ottomans during the Greek revolution, mainly because the “war” at that time had also religious extensions.
Many heroes of the Greek revolution were Arvanites.
Never the less ,today’s Arvanites vast majority (if not all) consider themselves 100% Greeks and feel insulted if someone implies otherwise.
Its like Calling Erdogan(who has Greek decent) a Greek.
To be Greek, you have to prove first that you are with Albanian descent!! Greek historian say this to me!!
So many proves bro I have a Foto from the contract where it says Albanian land is free land for the nowadays Greece people and if you have to kill them it was also not a crim
You misinterpret him. What he is trying to say is that Arvanites are also Greek.
@@JapanMonAmourTheJapanHouse it is not about arvanites, nobody wants them back. They are proud Greeks I know.
It is Albanian history from the past that we should know and Greece should do something about it. I mean why Ali Pasha unite all Albanians ✝️☦️☪️ together, they didn’t split their ethnicity by itself.
If you are an human being then you will know that this brave Fighter’s didn’t deserve this, they fight with blood and not with pen.
I mean even UNESCO accept the Arvanites but Greek don’t, I hope they will change their politic and let some Çam back to their homes where they belong
@@JapanMonAmourTheJapanHouse Arvanites are Albanians…. talking about in the beginning.
@@GimPukaleshi-Kurtishi Arvanites are NOT Albanians, They are of mixed Greek Abanian ancestry going back 600 years. Many of their surnames are Greek. Their language Arvanitika also contain Greek words, they held Greek prejudices and felt as Greeks.