Yeah there's something going on with the suspension and the tires you'll be driving along and all of a sudden your car will spin out of control it's so weird I didn't have that problem before The one thing that I could say that's better now is turn in That's definitely better
Yeah I think it’s most noticeable off-road in a rally car. Coming from Dirt 2.0 or EA WRC, i never felt any consistency off-road in GT7. But I just did a Fisherman’s Ranch rally race and it feels way better.
@@Praenuntium You know what I'll say is I played for an hour hour and a half earlier and I actually am impressed I think it's certain cars on certain tracks that do some weird thing bro you got to check out the Alpine a110 that car is so sick so sick modded to the guilds dude turn in on that car just everything man it is so stable I don't tune anything is that car is fast and it's just light on its feet I've noticed force feedback is definitely 100% better and one area that I'm like super super duper impressed is dirt rally is ridiculous that it is so dope I actually had so much fun I was laughing I couldn't believe how much they improved it
@@ArumesYTIts easier, but also bit more realistic on Dirt tracks. More grip for acceleration and braking, cornering isnt endless slide and cars doesn't fly to the moon anymore. You can drive much faster now, but of course tracks are still old style wide and easy. Those suited better for old arcade dirt physics.
After driving a bunch of cars I would summarize the physics as more fidelity, less stability. Cars are affected more by track condition. Elevation changes, camber changes, different traction surfaces etc. Built and tuned cars in some cases changed PP. Haven’t experienced any bugs on stock cars. Some builds and tunes that I would describe as purposely broken whereby you try and manipulate the PP system with unnatural/extreme settings to gain back PP for more power, they’ve been plagued with a bunny hop issue in many cases. For now I’ve started braking earlier because I feel I can’t be as aggressive with trail braking. That’s it so far.
Perfect assessment. Cars are more alive, though this is making things difficult from a tuning perspective. My previous builds, which had exaggerated toe settings, suspension, and ballast settings, were extremely unstable. I've had to tone my tunes down a tad and adopt a more realistic approach. Overall, it's a larger tuning learning curve, but the driving experience has been significantly better after getting used to it. I’d imagine it's like going from belt drive to direct drive; we are getting so much more tactile data from our cars than before.
It feels better but they destroyed all my cars and all the tuning and time trials I've set..... why didnt they just give us a new game. I'm not starting over.
It's honestly taking me a bit of time to adjust to the new physics. As a controller player it feels way too skittish and Im finding some difficulty with figuring out my tunes. Braking is an issue as it feels extremely sensitive, need to increase Braking LSD and brake balance on the majority of my existing tunes.
@UniversalStand I feel like cars that I could turn in fairly easy before now have so much understeer it's detrimental. I'm going back to some of the circuit experiences because they adjusted times and I remember the viper for laguna seca turning in far easier on the first 2 turns than before. The speed I'm able to carry into the corner is so low the "demo" car just Flys through them and leaves me. I went from a few 10ths to 2 seconds slower than the demo car.
Exactly. Look at other sims and you can generate some slip angle to go faster through corners which is something impossible on GT as the window between grip and no grip is tiny and immediate instead of gradual
16:25 It's not even manpower. With the new physics, the game fails to calculate PP for the Abarth 595 SS '70 with engine swap. You just get a triangle with "!" in it. This means the game fails to complete the short simulation run that determines PP. That should be an indication something's wrong, and you can catch that bug in a fully automated testing cycle. Also, try fitting larger wheels on an engine swapped Sambabus. Suddenly doesn't work anymore. You can preview them, buy them, and then when they get installed they're suddenly the default 15". That's another bug that can be spotted automatically. How much work is it to test tuning parts when you introduce a new car? Give the new Subary a try with the low RPM turbo and be amazed at how much power you get for just 11k credits. That can't be right. It almost seems like they intentionally fcked up that turbo because the Sub needs a huge power boost when BoP is applied.
Yeah people give them too much credit. They did not test this as much as they should have. My friends and noticed weird shit almost all within our first laps after the update. I got the PP ⚠️ cannot be calculated error on two cars so far. Nothing with far out settings or anything. They typed some stuff into a physics modeller or something, put their hands behind their head and said “yeahhhh that should do it, send it out, let’s see if there’s any bugs or glitches and go from there but I think that’ll do it”
I use a Logi G923 and I feel 60% of my grip has PACKED ITS SHIT and moved out. And its almost to where im ready to either find a different game or just stop playing. I quit back in 2002 or so when GT4 game out cause I hated the stiff chase cam. And I bought a PS5........A PS5 BECAUSE OF THIS DAMN GAME.........AND MY WHEEL SETUP..........$1200 and for what?!?! To now be screwed by an update? This is bullshit! What was it all for?
@@Cj1985_GTTGT-2. or CSL DD pro. I run a tgt-2. I've found some bugs in a couple of Porsche 911's, 92' and 95' I think, where they basically start to drive themselves depending on track conditions. TGT-2 so far has been a DAMN good base. It's strong enough for me and the transducer in the front does a pretty damn good job of producing track feel. I feel bumps, changes in surface types, the clunk of the shifts, I can catch slides quicker. Get you a load cell system. That'll help damn near more than a wheel base will. I run tlcm also. I need to re-tune it after the update. I lose traction under heavy braking and trail braking, so I need to back off the heavy feel I think.
Perhaps both. The glitches need fixing and they need to address the force feedback effects. They’re so extreme going from comfort tires to race tires. I need three different profiles on my Logitech G Pro wheel. If I set it for race tires, any car with comfort tires feels like I don’t even have force feedback. If I set it for comfort tires then race tires feels like I can’t hardly turn the wheel. Before the update I felt they needed to narrow the gap, instead they went completely the other way! Wheel set for 11nm on comfort tires and down to 7nm for race tires. You brake hard, wheel got light then snaps back. Not realistic the extreme feel they have it now. Sweeping corners, the wheel pulls in the opposite direction all thru the corner. Unrealistic. Every half a second it just pulls like somebody is steering it for me. They’ve wrecked it.
I am using the Logitech Pro, and it feels way better with the new physics. The true force is somewhat diminished, but putting it up to 150 makes it a bit better. The overall increase in torque is great, in particular with road cars on sports tyres, which was quite underwhelming before. I think Polyphony deserves alot of credit for the amount of effort they contunue to put into GT7, its all moving in the right direction in my opinion.
Yeah I think FFB is way better now, before the most feedback you got with the wheel was with trueforce. But good FFB is what you actually want out of a wheel. Turning up FFB audio is what is being recommended atm if you want to improve trueforce after the update, I haven't actually tested changing that setting yet.
@@notmyname4261turn up the in-game vibration and the TF audio on the wheel. Before the update I had 35/35 and now I'm at 50/100 and that's way more than is probably useful. Some kerbs shake my rig to death 😂 If you play around with the settings you'll find some that works. People who have it set at 150 game and 100 wheel must be drowning out any feel from the actual ffb and be sat inside an earthquake. Totally unrealistic having it that high imo
Another massive thing people seem to forget when slating PD, is the fact that all the updates are FREE!! unlike other titles that charge real money for even the slightest DLC. Like you guys, I'm a fan of the new update as it suits my driving style perfectly, especially because I never confused the break with an on/off button! Good luck guys and Take care 👍🏁
I don’t see the issue with paid content. Yall act like thing were locked behind those pay walls before. It’s just extras. If you don’t have the DLC the. You don’t have access to the server/car. I’d pay $25 if that meant 1-2 new tracks with 3-5 cars every 2-3 months. If you can’t afford $25, the community who can shouldn’t suffer at the lack of content cause you don’t want to. No one is saying it should be 40$
@@fredphilips5320 tcs usually stays between 1-2. Older cars, I tend to keep it off. I've got a 71' Ferrari Daytona that after the update I turn some traction control on. The cars power to weight ratio is pretty damn high, and I do believe polyphony modeled the old school chassis flex, pretty accurately. That car is notoriously light in the ass end, so you have to know when to gas out of the apex, and you can't be too aggressive with the brake on entry. The car becomes way too unsettled. Good car to learn trail braking in, but it WILL bite you in the ass if you don't know what you're doing. I'm still figuring the car out after the update. It's tricky, but I like it.
@@bobbyosborne2375 I've got a fully tuned Daytona too. The only way to make it stick to the road is adjusting the differential to the lowest values (5) on the initial torque and the acceleration part. It won't be that fast exiting the curves, but it won't slide away while entering them. Oh, and i play with TCS always off.
ANYONE HAVING ISSUES WITH THE FFB on a G29 my wheel feels weak / DEAD I DONT like it im at 10-10 and feel horrible I got used to the no power steering feel lol
I thought my g29 had lost some feeling but after doind some hard laps around the nurburgring and mount panorama in a gt500 gtr i can actually say im feeling more than before. Even when i understeer in some spots it feels like it shutters a bit giving me the feeling of slipage on the front wheels. Not all the time but def on the final corner of mount panorama.
Same here man, it’s awful, the road cars have no FFB at all they’re completely underivable and the cars spin under braking for seemingly no reason and other times they don’t, the new update has suspension issues I find
Fanatec's marketing is hilarious. Logitech has had "True/Fullforce" for years, yet they are not as recommended as a Fanatec, which has had just a promise. 😅
CSL Elite some cars feel great like the racing cars GT3 and McLaren F1 the Ferrari Scuderia or F1500 feels so light. Like the wheel is broken. The CSL I think is getting quite outdated now. I think it’s getting harder for devs to showcase their game in its full intension. Probably why some are having great experiences and others are not. I’m 50/50 at times it feels great others times I don’t feel confident with my old wheel anymore. But when I jump on iracing, Project cars 2 AC and ACC it feels great and I don’t make as many mistakes and can catch slides. I’m finding it difficult to catch slides in GT7 new update. I was much more confident and comfortable before. It’s definitely still fun need more play time and probably a wheel upgrade. 😅 Overall it probably it’s better but I think it needs some fine tuning from PD. Keep improving it.
some circuits and some of the missions im pretty sure are completely impossible now. you cant cut our times down by 1 second but make the time trial 0.400 easier the time trails are outdated. Also the physics when I touch a bump on the lip of a turn and am accelerating like 10% (MY CAR SHOULDN'T COMPLETELY BARREL ROLL) this is definately not accurate.
Hey guys cars definitely have a more unstable feel to them, snap understeer or snap oversteer is a thing now and you can't correct it easily on controller. The AWD Mitsubishi gto 3000 original engine highly tuned, on Nurburgring, 3 or 4 corners where you can loose the car and it just spins out now. Cars were way more stable on the old physics. I found my gto is wobbling at the front aswell I feel. I was spinning out over some bridges or lower elevation changes like Foxhole. Turn 10. But more realistic means more dangerous and players will find it hard to adjust.They are going to need more help and updated tutorials or guides. Because I don't think you can apply the old techniques the same. You can't slam on the brakes anymore, with braking you need to be more gentle, when approaching corners guiding the car with light braking. We need to let off the accelerator and guide the car into the corners. The fact is most casual players don't know how to do that. Some CZcams tutorials on tuning the cars with the new physics would be welcome or many players will be turned off playing the game after 10 mins. Now please can we have the Lotus Carlton back in the game. I really think PD need to add more 80's, 90's hot hatches aswell, European not Japanese.
I was considering getting GT7 for the driving feel on a controller... But if it's more sim than simcade now, I'll just stick to Automobilista 2 and Assetto Corsa on PC.
I couldn't agree more with Chaz, this update has completely changed the game for me 100%. I also had to change my driving style, as I soon found out before the first lap was in while doing the new weekly's! I always start with the 5th race first and work my way backwards. All my years of playing GT prior to this update, I've always been very aggressive, waiting until the last possible nano second before hitting the binders! How quick I found that wasn't going to cut it anymore! 😉🤣 Come the third lap, I adjusted my driving style and much too my very pleasant surprise, I started posting better and better lap times, gaining 1+ sec all the way too over 3+ seconds, laps three through ten! 👍👍I also noticed right away, my VR set haptic feedback feeling much more pronounced and sharper, all fantastic improvements imo. One thing I had to do, was increase the FFB on my GT DD Pro from 80% -- 95%. I've seen else where Fanatec has a new beta V457 out, claiming it's improved some issues for Fanatec users since the new update? I'm holding off for now until, whatever it is PD does with patching these bug's. I'm still very early into these new changes, not finished the new weekly's yet or driven all the new cars, or driven in the rain. Very excited to discover more moving forward. I never got into console gaming until the PS3 and with my first taste of GT, being GT5 all the way through to GT7. They better give us the Norwand dirt track version, because I logged countless hours grinding that run in versions past! I prefer it much more than the road track, but, that's just personal preference. Anyways, great video.... Look forward to what else you have in store for us!! Cheers, 🍻
For myself, my first testing was with the 911 gr3 car and it felt amazing as do most race type cars do. My issue presented itself once I moved onto road cars and like said here trail braking seemed to feel unnatural. I'd find coming to a corner getting on the brakes down shifting through the gears but once letting off the brake, especially in 2nd gear, the revs would shoot up and spin you out. This puzzled me for a few days. Then I noticed the ABS light flashing continuously through the race. Like a malfunction. I've been using the ABS on weak. Once I turned off the ABS this issue stopped. I no long loose the front and spinout. I personally think the ABS is bugged. With the ABS off everything feels natural and has a lovely level of control. Switched on, it feels broken. I'd like to know your thoughts on this 😊
With ABS on try brake bias adjustment, feels backwards now, I biased to the rear and stopped losing control, plz experiment, I could be wrong, also compression of damper is now greatly affected, need to lower that now if you run it high
@@Atomicdream12 after doing more research I think it was a dead zone issue. I've added 5% on both brake and accelerater and so far so good. Will keep an eye on it tho. Thank u.
The new physics are SO GOOD, I have an Omega profile sim rig and Fanatec DD+, this is what I've wanted from GT7 for years, finally I can catch sliding intuitively before it snaps as now I can feel the weight transfer of the car, I can feel the grip at EACH WHEEL. And the dirt physics are so damn good now, it's like playing Colin Mcrae Rally only more VISCEREL.The different surfaces behave far more realistically now, curbs, grass, wet, dirt. The FFB is more detailed with much more subtle queues rather than the onenote FFB of previous GT7, rewarding people with high power wheels that can turn up the FFB and feel the detail, like the flashes of steering going light when you go over undulations on the track or approach grip limits. Time to buy Fanatec DD+ guys, you will not regret it, anyone complaining on controller or G29 , time to upgrade, 8nm direct drive is the minimum to appreciate this update as you will need FFB at 100. For DD+ 15nm My FFB settings are: FFB:40-50 (GT7 set to 10!) FUL:50, NDP:50, NFR:15, NIN:10, INT:OFF, FEI: 100, FOR:100, SPR:OFF, DPR:100 Also don't forget to update Fanatec wheel driver to version 457!
You know what. I would rathe have PD try something and have it break, then fix take it and take it on the chin, rather than not doing anything at all. Rather try and fail, than not try at all. I love it.
Testing is supposed to be part of the development cycle. Sure they can try new things and fail, but they're supposed to catch the failure in testing instead of pushing the failure to thousands of customers. Remember that Software Testing is a job title, and then remember who's paying who. We don't work for them, they work for us.
On RACING TIRES you get a lot of understeer while entering a turn, meanwhile, when you exit the turn, suddenly the car spins out and oversteer away. It's the worst update ever!
My only issue is with the ffb settings. I previously had my T300RS set to 5/5, but can’t quite figure out where to put it now. Some cars I can nail down to feel like the pre-update settings, but others still feel different.
This update also benefits those with real tuning knowledge of vehicles. The cars are now more affected by tuning, and it has a bigger impact on the cars' performance. I had to tweak the tune on most of my cars but they do feel more realistic in how they drive and it has made it more fun. I was starting to get a bit bored of the game so I don't mind these new changes and adjustments.
I understand for a people who plays multiple sim platforms this update is somewhat good because they used to adapt between platforms anyway. But for us who only play GT7 this 'game change' is frustated because we have to adapt to the game that we already knew so well. Adaptation means we have to forget what we already knew so well and start with something new... it will takes time and it is really frustated....
Man they need to do something with this update I use controller man I can't stop restart the race without spinning out of control or hitting the damn wall
You guys don't adjust suspension do you because not even the ai can drive some cars. Death wobble is everywhere. Modified cars have been destroyed. I'm not sure what game you where playing
@@shakengandulf yet no they are having problems they can't just come out and say it. The company knows there is problems and have said they are working on it I'm working around it like they are doesn't. mean its not broken
Agreed, I am playing on T300, apart from the Gr. Cars, all of my favorite road cars are undrivable!!! BMW M3 E36 half throttle the wheel is straight and I am getting death wobbles...why none of these CZcams racers are talking about it?
Just finished Manufacturers Championship Online Race ( Go Team Porsche)! And the physics and online racing is two notches closer to realism. Fantastic in many many ways. When Gran Turismo 7 releases a Pro mode monthly subscription ( Like Grand Theft Auto Plus) for a a few bucks a month, cheaper than iRacing and the rest are in deep deep trouble. Nothing matches the accuracy and fidelity of Michelin's tire model, and they do it fantastically across hundreds of cars and not just a tiny sliver of race cars that few if any have any ability to properly compare accurately. Truly an astounding job, and the hilarious extreme glitch tuning tweak jumping is just extra signs of GT7 going to the next level out of this world! 🤷🏼♀️
I was considering getting GT7 for the driving feel on a controller... But if it's more sim than simcade now, I'll just stick to Automobilista 2 and Assetto Corsa on PC.
Problems 1# lock up / no sound to it 2# wheel braking bugs 3# trail braking broken 4# suspension bouncing everywhere 5# slack in turn in force / = no sensation 6# crashes and bugs 7# WHO TESTED THIS / DEVS 😂 8# all tyre sounds have the sam pitch 9# THE F*** BOP DIFFERENCE in a equal class. 10# we are BETA testing since launch 11# No new tracks cars from actual 23/24 GT 12# Slow fix’s 13# Cheats in competition 14# manipulative functions in game on track and off / wall ride / setting qualifying season not equal / Restart better grip / ok PD 15# COCK PIT view no adjustment 16# Churning out old content 17# OIL change in garage only not in the pits on track side 18# PS4 still / 19# up the number of racers per race 20# ROAD CARS / 21# PENALTY SYSTEM REAL DRIVING SIMULATOR my ass Revert it back for a start and fix your problems rather than punishing the paying customers !
# lost count Don’t even get me started with the hype on Sophie AI … spend the resource better !! # money transactions that no one is paying that price / pointless # pointless content like MUSIC Rally cafes # No Damage models visually # incorrect information on replays and not enough information / Brakes and settings # Tuning / manipulative PP mechanics Put on hards lower pp / then pit and use softs # PENALTY line randomly in the middle of no where.
Super Formulas feel awful now. Zero ffb at low speed. I know its simulating downforce but it's pretty much undrivable because if you turn up the ffb to recover that low speed wheel strength it becomes WAY to heavy when taking high speed corners
@@King_Ears you ever drove a real car? At low speed there's zero feedback coming through the wheel. Only what's under your ass cheeks and that's minimal.
just wondering if PS4 version is different ?.. as BOP performance points and the opponents in especially some races eg. the weekly willow springs NEO are... just ridiculous .. to me anyway...
Haven't met a single drifter that's had anything good to say about this update. Lock to lock transitions and weight transfer both feel awful now. If your goal is to get around wherever you are as fast and as smoothly as possible, this is great for you. For those of us trying to smoke up the tires and throw 90's, we're not having a good time.
@@King_Ears Great, another one of these guys.... You've seen the gran turismo banners on D1GP cars right? What about the intro movie cutting to a 5 second shot of a purpose built drift car? When you search for a lobby, why are you able to sort by 'drift'? PD is well aware of and purposefully including drifting in the game.
@@bobbyosborne2375 Of course, I spent several hours in tandem lobbies yesterday and we're doing better now - but physics changes should aim to iterative. This feels like two [or more] steps back.
@@blkskltn give it time. They'll iron it out. Working out the physics for 500 cars with multiple wheel base manufacturers CANNOT be a simple task. I enjoy the feel of it now. The only thing I don't care much about is braking into the entry of a sharp apex. On the brake, heel toeing all the way to second, slowly relax the brake, the rear end starts to step out like you're trail braking, so I ease back into the gas thinking I'm going to be able to save it...then I'm pointing 180°. Half the time doing a 540°. Which doesn't make much sense, considering I reduced my speed to 35 mph to make the turn. Weight transfer shouldn't be that dramatic when the car is under controlled braking.
But I will say wet conditions are AMAZING now. You can use Slicks on rain and get to the pit without having to do 30mph the whole way around. I done a 2:10 lap on Fuji in the Castrol NSX they just released, using RH tires in heavy rain. Pedal and steering discipline will allow u to get around the wet track to the pit to get those Rain Tires without losing HOURS!
@@phil_75 How? Go out on bald tires in your car and in the rain. You STILL HAVE GRIP!!! Unless you hydroplane. On GT7, you couldnt pull out of your tracks on wet road conditions or hold it on the road at more than 30mph. Its not really like that in real life. You can do 70 or 80 no problem on slicks. But cornering requires finess. Its much more realistic now. Have you ever had bald tires on your car before? On dry, they have BETTER grip than Tread Blocks do. On rain, YOU STILL HAVE GRIP. Unless you hit standing water, then its kiss your ass goodbye. So the game is much more in tune with real life conditions now. Not to mention a 110hp car would spin the tires up at 80mph which is unrealistic bullshit. Its hard for a 300up car to do that.
@@Cj1985_GT A flat surface on a wet road would skim across the top, hence why you need grooved/wet tyres. Look at any motorsport where the track is wet and they are on slicks, they can barely get around a corner at 20mph
@@phil_75 No dude no. Only if it had standing water. You still have rubber to asphalt contact. But the higher the speed, the worse the friction. Its not glass on glass like youre thinking. Trust me, ive been broke and cant afford new tires so I know what its like to drive bald tires on WET ROADS. Freshly paved wet roads at that. Its not "I'll do 30mph and slide all over gods green earth." Sorry bud, just how it is. The grooves are to expel excess water. In heavy HEAVY rain, you need tread blocks. But light water, NO NO NO. Ask any racecar driver.
Thank you guys for providing a guide for the DD extreme wheel! I’ve had mine for a few weeks and love it, but with the update on GT7 it went to POOP!, waiting for the FFB to be implemented in the game also! Will be watching you guys for future updates, thanks for the info and updates! Keep it up, I appreciate the information you provide!
Trueforce needs fixing as you need to crank it all the way up and its still less informative than before. Other than that its ok as a wheel user. People i know on controller are really struggling to adapt. New tire wear model isn't as good as I'd hoped. I wanted the old GT Sport proper pace drop off and crossover between racing compounds and also the simulated punctures. At least driving aound on completely dead tires isn't viable anymore.
I personally think it feels better and more realistic, however, for the G923 feedback has got weaker as a trade off I think it seems. I obviously have it on max because it’s only two Nm’s, of course lol. Thanks.
Yeah it's weaker to prevent clipping. Try hitting a sausage on this week's Weekly Challenge 5, WTC 700 at Laguna Seca. You'll find the 2 Nm are still there, but only used in extreme cases.
Definitely a Game Breaking!!! All The amazing setupsthat I have for a lot of cars are now junk... If it's not broken don't fix it !!! Did you ever hear this GOLDEN Rule PD??? The time to switch to the better game like AC have come !!!
Can I just put it out there... This is an absolutely amazing game. I am an OG atari player and was there during the first home consoles being introduced... not quite PONG.. but nearly. The PS1 was an incredible machine, the Gran Turismo 7 game graphics, detail is insane... I am a greatful player and love this. Keep the good work up and everyone... stop complaining, you want to complain.. play Pole Position on a ZX Spectrum 48k....
Oh.. and by the way, I am a controller player, straight out of the box because I can't afford a Sim rig or wheel etc... put us all on the same playing field please and provide a league for controller users... let's see who is best then!!!!
I have Logitech Pro wheel and all my GR1 or swap cars above 230 MPH in a Straight line are violently shaking. This was not the case before update. Is this the same for other wheels?
I been away from gt7 playing acc for the last year, gave gt7 a go. Could feel difference in physics, even dirt race felt good.. but omg what happened to the FFB??? ITS WEAK even turned up 😮😢
Too many different wheel options, too many car classes, too many FFB different opinions. What used to be an exciting world 15 years ago has turned into muddy mess.
the fact that all g29 or g923 players are facing almost 0 force feedback, lack of torque is a game breaker for me. upgrading a wheel should be a choice of the consumer - the game forcing players to buy expensive wheel is a sad strategy. what's the point of new physics if we can't even feel it. if pd does not fix this issue - I will honestly give up on gt7. more than 1200+ hrs of driving in the game and now this .... I feel like i've been cheated upon by pd.
Speak for yourself. You don't act on behalf of "all g29 or g923 players" and you don't have a clue what they think about the update. I use a G923 and think the new FFB is way better than the old version.
You may not speak for everyone, but you sure speak for quite a few of us G29 users. I can't feel any ff & no bumps in the road, especially with road cars.
The dd plus Extreme has some issues. Driver 455 is horrible, amd not drivable sometimes. Driver 457 is awesome but it has dis connected or lost connection. But it's great also when it's working right only a few hrs of play since update.
Where has the tire smoke gone in the new game update?? For when you want to build a drift or car for power skids to have fun in the game, as amazing it is for a sim, for racing, I still want to have fun in the game as I do in real life. The game is a bit of a letdown now.......
Definitely stirring feels better ..breaking is where I'm have trouble can't mash it like b4 actually locks up like real and when tires are red they stop working unlike b4 red didn't matter.👍👍
Well, T300 user here, new Physics and FF are absolutely marvellous! It feels like ACC now! As for the jumping cars bug - too bad guys , you won't be using your cheat-setups anymore :D
How about an arcade mode, like the earlier versions? Those who want the ultimate realism, can adjust suspension settings to their heart's desire. The rest of the single player recreational users, can do some minor tuning, and enjoy a drive after a hard day's work, to unwind. Is this a bridge too far? Two separate ideals coexisting? Or shall we deneigrate each other, because we don't understand that this is a simulator, and it can do a better job of pleasing both groups?
I dont get why some of you guys complain about you getting slower. What we want i realism and a good time. Would you be more satisfied if your lap times would decreae by 1 secound ?
Omg is there anyway o can send this glitch im having big troubles with everyone is making it seem like i dont know what im talking about and its really ruining gt7 for me. I dont even look forward to playing anymore cause all i do is the nurburgring and it does it on 2 specific spots and it just doesnt add up. It has to be a glitch!!
@@ArumesYT I can only test drive it it reads hp 747 on a heavy rcf but with the rs tires it puts ! For pp and it reads when I enter a race “the car you are currently driving does not have a measurable PP and cannot be driven here “ it says that no matter what race I enter even when I know the other cars have way more power and can drive faster and handle way better this happened to a lot of the cars I haven’t driven yet since patch it just put ! On most of my cars when it didn’t have that on before
@@ryanmcmahon2610 Yeah I know. So as I said, change the setup. I have 887 cars and only ONE of them has a permanent "!": The Abarth 595SS '70 with engine swap. And I fully understand why the game can't drive it.
@@ArumesYT non of the cars i built are even the fast ones it didn’t have the ! Before patch after patch they got ! And some have stock motor like my Lexus RCF didn’t swap motor only did realistic build on it and some other street cars and they got ! As well
I used to work in QA (Quality Assurance). Surprised PD's Automated Regression Testing didn't pick up the Edge Cases I'm guessing that Sophy must take a lot of time to set up
They just gotta fix some glitches but it feels way better.
Yeah there's something going on with the suspension and the tires you'll be driving along and all of a sudden your car will spin out of control it's so weird I didn't have that problem before The one thing that I could say that's better now is turn in That's definitely better
Yeah I think it’s most noticeable off-road in a rally car. Coming from Dirt 2.0 or EA WRC, i never felt any consistency off-road in GT7. But I just did a Fisherman’s Ranch rally race and it feels way better.
No Forse feedback either atm
The physics are better, but they really have to fix BoP for Gr3. It's the most popular category by far and is currently in bad shape.
@@Praenuntium You know what I'll say is I played for an hour hour and a half earlier and I actually am impressed I think it's certain cars on certain tracks that do some weird thing bro you got to check out the Alpine a110 that car is so sick so sick modded to the guilds dude turn in on that car just everything man it is so stable I don't tune anything is that car is fast and it's just light on its feet I've noticed force feedback is definitely 100% better and one area that I'm like super super duper impressed is dirt rally is ridiculous that it is so dope I actually had so much fun I was laughing I couldn't believe how much they improved it
Definitely feels better. Feels less arcade on rails and more like a pc sim.
Agree on tarmac tracks, but rally feels too arcady now. It's way too easy to handle the cars.
It really doesn't
@@ArumesYTIts easier, but also bit more realistic on Dirt tracks. More grip for acceleration and braking, cornering isnt endless slide and cars doesn't fly to the moon anymore.
You can drive much faster now, but of course tracks are still old style wide and easy. Those suited better for old arcade dirt physics.
@@ArumesYTrally is way better thsn before.
@@King_Earsit really is,
As a controller player who’s mainly plays sport mode the physics are definitely a downgrade. But for people on wheel it seems to be the opposite.
Exactly
I feel the same way.
agree 100%, I think they are trying to get everyone on to wheels and pedals and controller players are being left out in the cold.
Im still faster and more stable on a controller than on my DD pro (A/S rating btw)so…..
I play on a controller and i think its better than before
After driving a bunch of cars I would summarize the physics as more fidelity, less stability.
Cars are affected more by track condition. Elevation changes, camber changes, different traction surfaces etc.
Built and tuned cars in some cases changed PP.
Haven’t experienced any bugs on stock cars.
Some builds and tunes that I would describe as purposely broken whereby you try and manipulate the PP system with unnatural/extreme settings to gain back PP for more power, they’ve been plagued with a bunny hop issue in many cases.
For now I’ve started braking earlier because I feel I can’t be as aggressive with trail braking.
That’s it so far.
Exactly. Not even one of my cars is bugged, all stockk
Perfect assessment. Cars are more alive, though this is making things difficult from a tuning perspective. My previous builds, which had exaggerated toe settings, suspension, and ballast settings, were extremely unstable. I've had to tone my tunes down a tad and adopt a more realistic approach. Overall, it's a larger tuning learning curve, but the driving experience has been significantly better after getting used to it. I’d imagine it's like going from belt drive to direct drive; we are getting so much more tactile data from our cars than before.
It feels better but they destroyed all my cars and all the tuning and time trials I've set..... why didnt they just give us a new game. I'm not starting over.
I can’t stay on the road anymore it’s impossible even with race soft tyres that should stick to the road like glue
Driving a Citroen DS around the Eiger in reverse is pure bliss
It's honestly taking me a bit of time to adjust to the new physics. As a controller player it feels way too skittish and Im finding some difficulty with figuring out my tunes. Braking is an issue as it feels extremely sensitive, need to increase Braking LSD and brake balance on the majority of my existing tunes.
It feels really good on controller with motion sensing.
@UniversalStand
I feel like cars that I could turn in fairly easy before now have so much understeer it's detrimental. I'm going back to some of the circuit experiences because they adjusted times and I remember the viper for laguna seca turning in far easier on the first 2 turns than before. The speed I'm able to carry into the corner is so low the "demo" car just Flys through them and leaves me. I went from a few 10ths to 2 seconds slower than the demo car.
@@aaronsmith7143 to me playing on a controller with sticks was always problematic. Motion sensing is the only alternative to a wheel imo.
Seems like a lot of damage control to me, the game is ruined wtf, just say it as it is.
Agreed, cats handle like garbage now
On a controller the game is a big joke
GT1/2 , the valley or the mountain in the Castrol Supra.Power Slidin most of the track ! Remember that ? Ahh the good ol' days .
The road cars are horrid!! They softened the suspension WAY TOO MUCH. When you hit a dip it causes you to crash! They have to fix these road cars.
I always felt there was almost too much traction. Breaking traction, for most cars, seemed to go from 0 to 100 quickly.
Exactly. Look at other sims and you can generate some slip angle to go faster through corners which is something impossible on GT as the window between grip and no grip is tiny and immediate instead of gradual
16:25 It's not even manpower. With the new physics, the game fails to calculate PP for the Abarth 595 SS '70 with engine swap. You just get a triangle with "!" in it. This means the game fails to complete the short simulation run that determines PP. That should be an indication something's wrong, and you can catch that bug in a fully automated testing cycle.
Also, try fitting larger wheels on an engine swapped Sambabus. Suddenly doesn't work anymore. You can preview them, buy them, and then when they get installed they're suddenly the default 15". That's another bug that can be spotted automatically.
How much work is it to test tuning parts when you introduce a new car? Give the new Subary a try with the low RPM turbo and be amazed at how much power you get for just 11k credits. That can't be right. It almost seems like they intentionally fcked up that turbo because the Sub needs a huge power boost when BoP is applied.
Yeah people give them too much credit. They did not test this as much as they should have. My friends and noticed weird shit almost all within our first laps after the update. I got the PP ⚠️ cannot be calculated error on two cars so far. Nothing with far out settings or anything.
They typed some stuff into a physics modeller or something, put their hands behind their head and said “yeahhhh that should do it, send it out, let’s see if there’s any bugs or glitches and go from there but I think that’ll do it”
I use a Logi G923 and I feel 60% of my grip has PACKED ITS SHIT and moved out. And its almost to where im ready to either find a different game or just stop playing. I quit back in 2002 or so when GT4 game out cause I hated the stiff chase cam. And I bought a PS5........A PS5 BECAUSE OF THIS DAMN GAME.........AND MY WHEEL SETUP..........$1200 and for what?!?! To now be screwed by an update? This is bullshit! What was it all for?
You need a better wheel
@@peterspence5985 What do u recommend? Thats under like 7 or $800?
@@peterspence5985 The wheel is not the problem. Person behind it is.
@@Cj1985_GTTGT-2. or CSL DD pro. I run a tgt-2. I've found some bugs in a couple of Porsche 911's, 92' and 95' I think, where they basically start to drive themselves depending on track conditions. TGT-2 so far has been a DAMN good base. It's strong enough for me and the transducer in the front does a pretty damn good job of producing track feel. I feel bumps, changes in surface types, the clunk of the shifts, I can catch slides quicker. Get you a load cell system. That'll help damn near more than a wheel base will. I run tlcm also. I need to re-tune it after the update. I lose traction under heavy braking and trail braking, so I need to back off the heavy feel I think.
Perhaps both. The glitches need fixing and they need to address the force feedback effects. They’re so extreme going from comfort tires to race tires. I need three different profiles on my Logitech G Pro wheel. If I set it for race tires, any car with comfort tires feels like I don’t even have force feedback. If I set it for comfort tires then race tires feels like I can’t hardly turn the wheel. Before the update I felt they needed to narrow the gap, instead they went completely the other way! Wheel set for 11nm on comfort tires and down to 7nm for race tires.
You brake hard, wheel got light then snaps back. Not realistic the extreme feel they have it now.
Sweeping corners, the wheel pulls in the opposite direction all thru the corner. Unrealistic. Every half a second it just pulls like somebody is steering it for me.
They’ve wrecked it.
I am using the Logitech Pro, and it feels way better with the new physics. The true force is somewhat diminished, but putting it up to 150 makes it a bit better. The overall increase in torque is great, in particular with road cars on sports tyres, which was quite underwhelming before. I think Polyphony deserves alot of credit for the amount of effort they contunue to put into GT7, its all moving in the right direction in my opinion.
It's ruined the G Pro. Trueforce is non existent now which is what sold the wheel in the first place
Yeah I think FFB is way better now, before the most feedback you got with the wheel was with trueforce. But good FFB is what you actually want out of a wheel. Turning up FFB audio is what is being recommended atm if you want to improve trueforce after the update, I haven't actually tested changing that setting yet.
It's not an overall increase in torque. Low grip cars got more FFB, high grip cars got less FFB. They just brought the different cars closer together.
If only they put some effort into revamping daily races. They've been the same format for 7 years nearly
@@notmyname4261turn up the in-game vibration and the TF audio on the wheel. Before the update I had 35/35 and now I'm at 50/100 and that's way more than is probably useful. Some kerbs shake my rig to death 😂 If you play around with the settings you'll find some that works. People who have it set at 150 game and 100 wheel must be drowning out any feel from the actual ffb and be sat inside an earthquake. Totally unrealistic having it that high imo
Another massive thing people seem to forget when slating PD, is the fact that all the updates are FREE!! unlike other titles that charge real money for even the slightest DLC.
Like you guys, I'm a fan of the new update as it suits my driving style perfectly, especially because I never confused the break with an on/off button!
Good luck guys and Take care 👍🏁
Not accurate - almost all other racing games have free DLC. More of it, actually
Paid DLC is fine if the content is well made, did anyone get upset with GT5 cars/tracks being paid? Clearly not.
I don’t see the issue with paid content. Yall act like thing were locked behind those pay walls before. It’s just extras. If you don’t have the DLC the. You don’t have access to the server/car. I’d pay $25 if that meant 1-2 new tracks with 3-5 cars every 2-3 months. If you can’t afford $25, the community who can shouldn’t suffer at the lack of content cause you don’t want to. No one is saying it should be 40$
@@TheFurryInShambles gt5 had a pile of content to begin with. Gt7 does not
@@ForeverDriven2121 I say dlc tracks were needed due to a lack of variety of tracks at launch though, it was boring driving Tsukuba a dozen times
Brakes lock up a little too quickly for my liking.
Even if you have ABS on.
@@fredphilips5320 I don't.
@@fredphilips5320 tcs usually stays between 1-2. Older cars, I tend to keep it off. I've got a 71' Ferrari Daytona that after the update I turn some traction control on. The cars power to weight ratio is pretty damn high, and I do believe polyphony modeled the old school chassis flex, pretty accurately. That car is notoriously light in the ass end, so you have to know when to gas out of the apex, and you can't be too aggressive with the brake on entry. The car becomes way too unsettled. Good car to learn trail braking in, but it WILL bite you in the ass if you don't know what you're doing. I'm still figuring the car out after the update. It's tricky, but I like it.
@@bobbyosborne2375 I've got a fully tuned Daytona too. The only way to make it stick to the road is adjusting the differential to the lowest values (5) on the initial torque and the acceleration part. It won't be that fast exiting the curves, but it won't slide away while entering them.
Oh, and i play with TCS always off.
@@fredphilips5320 controlling the slide is the fun part
ANYONE HAVING ISSUES WITH THE FFB on a G29 my wheel feels weak / DEAD I DONT like it im at 10-10 and feel horrible I got used to the no power steering feel lol
You need a better wheel
Yup same here. In response to the other comment, not everyone wants to spend astronomical amounts for a game peripheral.
My g29 is the opposite
I thought my g29 had lost some feeling but after doind some hard laps around the nurburgring and mount panorama in a gt500 gtr i can actually say im feeling more than before. Even when i understeer in some spots it feels like it shutters a bit giving me the feeling of slipage on the front wheels. Not all the time but def on the final corner of mount panorama.
Same here man, it’s awful, the road cars have no FFB at all they’re completely underivable and the cars spin under braking for seemingly no reason and other times they don’t, the new update has suspension issues I find
Fanatec's marketing is hilarious. Logitech has had "True/Fullforce" for years, yet they are not as recommended as a Fanatec, which has had just a promise. 😅
CSL Elite some cars feel great like the racing cars GT3 and McLaren F1 the Ferrari Scuderia or F1500 feels so light. Like the wheel is broken. The CSL I think is getting quite outdated now. I think it’s getting harder for devs to showcase their game in its full intension. Probably why some are having great experiences and others are not. I’m 50/50 at times it feels great others times I don’t feel confident with my old wheel anymore. But when I jump on iracing, Project cars 2 AC and ACC it feels great and I don’t make as many mistakes and can catch slides. I’m finding it difficult to catch slides in GT7 new update. I was much more confident and comfortable before. It’s definitely still fun need more play time and probably a wheel upgrade. 😅 Overall it probably it’s better but I think it needs some fine tuning from PD. Keep improving it.
It's terrible for the vast majority of non "professional" i.e. A+ players. It's absolutely terrible
can you guys put up a link to the fanatec wheel settings you were talking about?
some circuits and some of the missions im pretty sure are completely impossible now. you cant cut our times down by 1 second but make the time trial 0.400 easier the time trails are outdated.
Also the physics when I touch a bump on the lip of a turn and am accelerating like 10% (MY CAR SHOULDN'T COMPLETELY BARREL ROLL) this is definately not accurate.
Hey guys cars definitely have a more unstable feel to them, snap understeer or snap oversteer is a thing now and you can't correct it easily on controller.
The AWD Mitsubishi gto 3000 original engine highly tuned, on Nurburgring, 3 or 4 corners where you can loose the car and it just spins out now. Cars were way more stable on the old physics.
I found my gto is wobbling at the front aswell I feel. I was spinning out over some bridges or lower elevation changes like Foxhole. Turn 10.
But more realistic means more dangerous and players will find it hard to adjust.They are going to need more help and updated tutorials or guides. Because I don't think you can apply the old techniques the same.
You can't slam on the brakes anymore, with braking you need to be more gentle, when approaching corners guiding the car with light braking. We need to let off the accelerator and guide the car into the corners.
The fact is most casual players don't know how to do that. Some CZcams tutorials on tuning the cars with the new physics would be welcome or many players will be turned off playing the game after 10 mins.
Now please can we have the Lotus Carlton back in the game. I really think PD need to add more 80's, 90's hot hatches aswell, European not Japanese.
I was considering getting GT7 for the driving feel on a controller... But if it's more sim than simcade now, I'll just stick to Automobilista 2 and Assetto Corsa on PC.
I couldn't agree more with Chaz, this update has completely changed the game for me 100%. I also had to change my driving style, as I soon found out before the first lap was in while doing the new weekly's! I always start with the 5th race first and work my way backwards. All my years of playing GT prior to this update, I've always been very aggressive, waiting until the last possible nano second before hitting the binders! How quick I found that wasn't going to cut it anymore! 😉🤣
Come the third lap, I adjusted my driving style and much too my very pleasant surprise, I started posting better and better lap times, gaining 1+ sec all the way too over 3+ seconds, laps three through ten! 👍👍I also noticed right away, my VR set haptic feedback feeling much more pronounced and sharper, all fantastic improvements imo. One thing I had to do, was increase the FFB on my GT DD Pro from 80% -- 95%. I've seen else where Fanatec has a new beta V457 out, claiming it's improved some issues for Fanatec users since the new update? I'm holding off for now until, whatever it is PD does with patching these bug's.
I'm still very early into these new changes, not finished the new weekly's yet or driven all the new cars, or driven in the rain. Very excited to discover more moving forward. I never got into console gaming until the PS3 and with my first taste of GT, being GT5 all the way through to GT7. They better give us the Norwand dirt track version, because I logged countless hours grinding that run in versions past! I prefer it much more than the road track, but, that's just personal preference.
Anyways, great video.... Look forward to what else you have in store for us!!
Cheers, 🍻
For myself, my first testing was with the 911 gr3 car and it felt amazing as do most race type cars do. My issue presented itself once I moved onto road cars and like said here trail braking seemed to feel unnatural. I'd find coming to a corner getting on the brakes down shifting through the gears but once letting off the brake, especially in 2nd gear, the revs would shoot up and spin you out. This puzzled me for a few days. Then I noticed the ABS light flashing continuously through the race. Like a malfunction. I've been using the ABS on weak. Once I turned off the ABS this issue stopped. I no long loose the front and spinout. I personally think the ABS is bugged. With the ABS off everything feels natural and has a lovely level of control. Switched on, it feels broken. I'd like to know your thoughts on this 😊
With ABS on try brake bias adjustment, feels backwards now, I biased to the rear and stopped losing control, plz experiment, I could be wrong, also compression of damper is now greatly affected, need to lower that now if you run it high
@@Atomicdream12 after doing more research I think it was a dead zone issue. I've added 5% on both brake and accelerater and so far so good. Will keep an eye on it tho. Thank u.
But saying that, the cars still feel like they handle better with ABS off lol
@@Atomicdream12lol I've had to increase damper force on most cars I've driven since update, and increase anti roll bar strength too
The new physics are SO GOOD, I have an Omega profile sim rig and Fanatec DD+, this is what I've wanted from GT7 for years, finally I can catch sliding intuitively before it snaps as now I can feel the weight transfer of the car, I can feel the grip at EACH WHEEL. And the dirt physics are so damn good now, it's like playing Colin Mcrae Rally only more VISCEREL.The different surfaces behave far more realistically now, curbs, grass, wet, dirt. The FFB is more detailed with much more subtle queues rather than the onenote FFB of previous GT7, rewarding people with high power wheels that can turn up the FFB and feel the detail, like the flashes of steering going light when you go over undulations on the track or approach grip limits. Time to buy Fanatec DD+ guys, you will not regret it, anyone complaining on controller or G29 , time to upgrade, 8nm direct drive is the minimum to appreciate this update as you will need FFB at 100. For DD+ 15nm My FFB settings are: FFB:40-50 (GT7 set to 10!) FUL:50, NDP:50, NFR:15, NIN:10, INT:OFF, FEI: 100, FOR:100, SPR:OFF, DPR:100
Also don't forget to update Fanatec wheel driver to version 457!
You know what. I would rathe have PD try something and have it break, then fix take it and take it on the chin, rather than not doing anything at all. Rather try and fail, than not try at all. I love it.
Testing is supposed to be part of the development cycle. Sure they can try new things and fail, but they're supposed to catch the failure in testing instead of pushing the failure to thousands of customers. Remember that Software Testing is a job title, and then remember who's paying who. We don't work for them, they work for us.
Im glad y’all’s cheap thrustmaster wheel is working well……
I haven't seen any bugs so far, especially one's that look that over the top
The physics (understeer) at low speeds with road cars on SPORTS is a joke. They don’t turn!
That’d be your comprehension suffering
On RACING TIRES you get a lot of understeer while entering a turn, meanwhile, when you exit the turn, suddenly the car spins out and oversteer away.
It's the worst update ever!
My only issue is with the ffb settings. I previously had my T300RS set to 5/5, but can’t quite figure out where to put it now. Some cars I can nail down to feel like the pre-update settings, but others still feel different.
You need a better wheel!
@@peterspence5985 I don’t disagree
Don't try to make it feel like pre-update. Just accept that the physics and FFB *are* different, and get used to them.
Fantastic update, improved physics, better exhaust notes, great cars a new track cant complain
Racing in my 94’ R-32 felt incredible in psvr2 yesterday!
This update also benefits those with real tuning knowledge of vehicles. The cars are now more affected by tuning, and it has a bigger impact on the cars' performance. I had to tweak the tune on most of my cars but they do feel more realistic in how they drive and it has made it more fun. I was starting to get a bit bored of the game so I don't mind these new changes and adjustments.
The new physics are a disaster after the update with my G27... it worked amazing before, but now it's so bad i just stopped playing.
I understand for a people who plays multiple sim platforms this update is somewhat good because they used to adapt between platforms anyway. But for us who only play GT7 this 'game change' is frustated because we have to adapt to the game that we already knew so well. Adaptation means we have to forget what we already knew so well and start with something new... it will takes time and it is really frustated....
Man they need to do something with this update I use controller man I can't stop restart the race without spinning out of control or hitting the damn wall
My cars are jumpig when breaking. Polyphony doesn’t rush to fix it
You guys don't adjust suspension do you because not even the ai can drive some cars. Death wobble is everywhere. Modified cars have been destroyed. I'm not sure what game you where playing
Yet professional racers are playing with heavily tunes cars online just fine.
@@shakengandulf yet no they are having problems they can't just come out and say it. The company knows there is problems and have said they are working on it I'm working around it like they are doesn't. mean its not broken
Agreed, I am playing on T300, apart from the Gr. Cars, all of my favorite road cars are undrivable!!! BMW M3 E36 half throttle the wheel is straight and I am getting death wobbles...why none of these CZcams racers are talking about it?
They need to change that locked camera view on the cars when you race them
Is anyone else having problems with there Logitech Pro since the update. And what do you recommend?
Just finished Manufacturers Championship Online Race ( Go Team Porsche)! And the physics and online racing is two notches closer to realism. Fantastic in many many ways.
When Gran Turismo 7 releases a Pro mode monthly subscription ( Like Grand Theft Auto Plus) for a a few bucks a month, cheaper than iRacing and the rest are in deep deep trouble.
Nothing matches the accuracy and fidelity of Michelin's tire model, and they do it fantastically across hundreds of cars and not just a tiny sliver of race cars that few if any have any ability to properly compare accurately.
Truly an astounding job, and the hilarious extreme glitch tuning tweak jumping is just extra signs of GT7 going to the next level out of this world! 🤷🏼♀️
For me it's fine I use the g923, I've put my ffb to 5 and my sensitivity to 5, I will adjust if I need to, maybes the sensitivity
I was considering getting GT7 for the driving feel on a controller... But if it's more sim than simcade now, I'll just stick to Automobilista 2 and Assetto Corsa on PC.
Can someone link to the DD settings they mentioned please?
Search for the fanatec clubsport DD+. Its brand new
Game changing no. Game changing would be getting rid of rubberbanding, rolling starts fixed, ai fixed and much more.
Problems
1# lock up / no sound to it
2# wheel braking bugs
3# trail braking broken
4# suspension bouncing everywhere
5# slack in turn in force / = no sensation
6# crashes and bugs
7# WHO TESTED THIS / DEVS 😂
8# all tyre sounds have the sam pitch
9# THE F*** BOP DIFFERENCE in a equal class.
10# we are BETA testing since launch
11# No new tracks cars from actual 23/24 GT
12# Slow fix’s
13# Cheats in competition
14# manipulative functions in game on track and off / wall ride / setting qualifying season not equal /
Restart better grip / ok PD
15# COCK PIT view no adjustment
16# Churning out old content
17# OIL change in garage only not in the pits on track side
18# PS4 still /
19# up the number of racers per race
20# ROAD CARS /
21# PENALTY SYSTEM
REAL DRIVING SIMULATOR my ass
Revert it back for a start and fix your problems rather than punishing the paying customers !
# lost count
Don’t even get me started with the hype on Sophie AI … spend the resource better !!
# money transactions that no one is paying that price / pointless
# pointless content like MUSIC Rally cafes
# No Damage models visually
# incorrect information on replays and not enough information / Brakes and settings
# Tuning / manipulative PP mechanics
Put on hards lower pp / then pit and use softs
# PENALTY line randomly in the middle of no where.
The list grows
@@SIR_xDREAM If you dislike it that much, why are you still here?
@@ArumesYT Clearly you haven’t thought your comment through.
@@SIR_xDREAM You notice that "?" at the end? Clearly I'm asking a question, not commenting.
Super Formulas feel awful now. Zero ffb at low speed. I know its simulating downforce but it's pretty much undrivable because if you turn up the ffb to recover that low speed wheel strength it becomes WAY to heavy when taking high speed corners
@@King_Ears you ever drove a real car? At low speed there's zero feedback coming through the wheel. Only what's under your ass cheeks and that's minimal.
just wondering if PS4 version is different ?.. as BOP performance points and the opponents in especially some races eg. the weekly willow springs NEO are... just ridiculous .. to me anyway...
Any tips for settings on TGT2 thanks
The DD pro feels much weaker at 10 and 10 8 NM . Are they trying to force us into buying the extreme? it seems ridiculous.
Haven't met a single drifter that's had anything good to say about this update. Lock to lock transitions and weight transfer both feel awful now. If your goal is to get around wherever you are as fast and as smoothly as possible, this is great for you. For those of us trying to smoke up the tires and throw 90's, we're not having a good time.
It's not a game designed for drifting though, it's a racing game 🤷
@@King_Ears Great, another one of these guys.... You've seen the gran turismo banners on D1GP cars right? What about the intro movie cutting to a 5 second shot of a purpose built drift car? When you search for a lobby, why are you able to sort by 'drift'? PD is well aware of and purposefully including drifting in the game.
@@blkskltn tune em till you find something that works. That's what drifters do anyway, right?
@@bobbyosborne2375 Of course, I spent several hours in tandem lobbies yesterday and we're doing better now - but physics changes should aim to iterative. This feels like two [or more] steps back.
@@blkskltn give it time. They'll iron it out. Working out the physics for 500 cars with multiple wheel base manufacturers CANNOT be a simple task. I enjoy the feel of it now. The only thing I don't care much about is braking into the entry of a sharp apex. On the brake, heel toeing all the way to second, slowly relax the brake, the rear end starts to step out like you're trail braking, so I ease back into the gas thinking I'm going to be able to save it...then I'm pointing 180°. Half the time doing a 540°. Which doesn't make much sense, considering I reduced my speed to 35 mph to make the turn. Weight transfer shouldn't be that dramatic when the car is under controlled braking.
If you only race GT cars your probably enjoying it. If you never race GT cars and only race Road cars this new update was done very lazily
Anybody got some updated realistic settings for the DD Pro?
I was using Simracing setups' setup before the update and it's now useless
Have you tried Digit Racing’s settings?
But I will say wet conditions are AMAZING now. You can use Slicks on rain and get to the pit without having to do 30mph the whole way around. I done a 2:10 lap on Fuji in the Castrol NSX they just released, using RH tires in heavy rain. Pedal and steering discipline will allow u to get around the wet track to the pit to get those Rain Tires without losing HOURS!
How is that realistic?
@@phil_75 How? Go out on bald tires in your car and in the rain. You STILL HAVE GRIP!!! Unless you hydroplane. On GT7, you couldnt pull out of your tracks on wet road conditions or hold it on the road at more than 30mph. Its not really like that in real life. You can do 70 or 80 no problem on slicks. But cornering requires finess. Its much more realistic now. Have you ever had bald tires on your car before? On dry, they have BETTER grip than Tread Blocks do. On rain, YOU STILL HAVE GRIP. Unless you hit standing water, then its kiss your ass goodbye. So the game is much more in tune with real life conditions now. Not to mention a 110hp car would spin the tires up at 80mph which is unrealistic bullshit. Its hard for a 300up car to do that.
@@Cj1985_GT A flat surface on a wet road would skim across the top, hence why you need grooved/wet tyres.
Look at any motorsport where the track is wet and they are on slicks, they can barely get around a corner at 20mph
@@Cj1985_GT czcams.com/users/shortseN_ApMBCveE?si=XsmObsHre50Dz-e9
@@phil_75 No dude no. Only if it had standing water. You still have rubber to asphalt contact. But the higher the speed, the worse the friction. Its not glass on glass like youre thinking. Trust me, ive been broke and cant afford new tires so I know what its like to drive bald tires on WET ROADS. Freshly paved wet roads at that. Its not "I'll do 30mph and slide all over gods green earth." Sorry bud, just how it is. The grooves are to expel excess water. In heavy HEAVY rain, you need tread blocks. But light water, NO NO NO. Ask any racecar driver.
Is brake bias backwards now? Please experiment
I found the PB settings. They still don’t eliminate oscillations🤔
Hello! Would you please share where you found it? I’m trying to find in the forum.
Thank you guys for providing a guide for the DD extreme wheel! I’ve had mine for a few weeks and love it, but with the update on GT7 it went to POOP!, waiting for the FFB to be implemented in the game also! Will be watching you guys for future updates, thanks for the info and updates! Keep it up, I appreciate the information you provide!
This update is a malicious drivers wet dream!!!! I’m done with Daiky races until they fix this TRASH!!!
Trueforce needs fixing as you need to crank it all the way up and its still less informative than before. Other than that its ok as a wheel user. People i know on controller are really struggling to adapt. New tire wear model isn't as good as I'd hoped. I wanted the old GT Sport proper pace drop off and crossover between racing compounds and also the simulated punctures. At least driving aound on completely dead tires isn't viable anymore.
I personally think it feels better and more realistic, however, for the G923 feedback has got weaker as a trade off I think it seems. I obviously have it on max because it’s only two Nm’s, of course lol. Thanks.
Yeah it's weaker to prevent clipping. Try hitting a sausage on this week's Weekly Challenge 5, WTC 700 at Laguna Seca. You'll find the 2 Nm are still there, but only used in extreme cases.
Definitely a Game Breaking!!! All The amazing setupsthat I have for a lot of cars are now junk... If it's not broken don't fix it !!! Did you ever hear this GOLDEN Rule PD???
The time to switch to the better game like AC have come !!!
tunes on worse physics not working now doesnt mean that the game hasnt improved.
Nice golden rule, except that it *was* broken.
And you can no longer change your view watching your replays, great.
On controller it sucks now but on wheels its nicer my mate has a wheel i dont soo that sucks its twichy on controller
Took some getting used to but game is better at least for wheel driver
Also messed up the pp so I can’t find cars that I can win with
Can I just put it out there... This is an absolutely amazing game. I am an OG atari player and was there during the first home consoles being introduced... not quite PONG.. but nearly. The PS1 was an incredible machine, the Gran Turismo 7 game graphics, detail is insane... I am a greatful player and love this. Keep the good work up and everyone... stop complaining, you want to complain.. play Pole Position on a ZX Spectrum 48k....
Oh.. and by the way, I am a controller player, straight out of the box because I can't afford a Sim rig or wheel etc... put us all on the same playing field please and provide a league for controller users... let's see who is best then!!!!
I have Logitech Pro wheel and all my GR1 or swap cars above 230 MPH in a Straight line are violently shaking. This was not the case before update. Is this the same for other wheels?
The understeer is so much worse in forza that I didn’t notice.
I didn’t like it at first but I think it’s quite good now plus it seems have made me faster
I'm using a controller and this shit sucks.
@@animalmother9339 That's because you can't drive 🤣🤣🤣
Neither it's just a slight adjustment isn't making or breaking anything.
Stop being CZcamsrs...
new physics feels brillian!! much more realistic, especially while braking and when breaking traction
Much better.
with the new update, can't do burnout on first gear
I been away from gt7 playing acc for the last year, gave gt7 a go. Could feel difference in physics, even dirt race felt good.. but omg what happened to the FFB??? ITS WEAK even turned up 😮😢
Too many different wheel options, too many car classes, too many FFB different opinions. What used to be an exciting world 15 years ago has turned into muddy mess.
the fact that all g29 or g923 players are facing almost 0 force feedback, lack of torque is a game breaker for me. upgrading a wheel should be a choice of the consumer - the game forcing players to buy expensive wheel is a sad strategy. what's the point of new physics if we can't even feel it. if pd does not fix this issue - I will honestly give up on gt7. more than 1200+ hrs of driving in the game and now this .... I feel like i've been cheated upon by pd.
Speak for yourself. You don't act on behalf of "all g29 or g923 players" and you don't have a clue what they think about the update. I use a G923 and think the new FFB is way better than the old version.
You may not speak for everyone, but you sure speak for quite a few of us G29 users. I can't feel any ff & no bumps in the road, especially with road cars.
The dd plus Extreme has some issues. Driver 455 is horrible, amd not drivable sometimes. Driver 457 is awesome but it has dis connected or lost connection. But it's great also when it's working right only a few hrs of play since update.
Where has the tire smoke gone in the new game update??
For when you want to build a drift or car for power skids to have fun in the game, as amazing it is for a sim, for racing,
I still want to have fun in the game as I do in real life.
The game is a bit of a letdown now.......
Gr cars are fine, road cars are now boats, turn in 2-3 business days
It probably better for wheel users, but worse for controller users.
Yeah ive tryed both and the controller was not very good. Felt like the car wouldnt turn properly so i went and tryed my g29 setup. Its way better
The idiots ruined drifting and ruined every single tune for all of my cars. Im probably going to quit this game now
Definitely stirring feels better ..breaking is where I'm have trouble can't mash it like b4 actually locks up like real and when tires are red they stop working unlike b4 red didn't matter.👍👍
@@kdub4728 time to learn trail braking Padawan, mashing brakes has its place, but…
Yeah I'm not sure about the ABS update. ABS is supposed to *prevent* lockups, so I think they made default ABS too weak now.
Well, T300 user here, new Physics and FF are absolutely marvellous! It feels like ACC now! As for the jumping cars bug - too bad guys , you won't be using your cheat-setups anymore :D
Fanatech going bankrupt according to CZcamsrs
I drive with a keyboard so will I really notice any difference?
How about an arcade mode, like the earlier versions? Those who want the ultimate realism, can adjust suspension settings to their heart's desire. The rest of the single player recreational users, can do some minor tuning, and enjoy a drive after a hard day's work, to unwind.
Is this a bridge too far? Two separate ideals coexisting? Or shall we deneigrate each other, because we don't understand that this is a simulator, and it can do a better job of pleasing both groups?
A simulator will simulate reality. This new version is much closer to reality
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Is it now compatible with Fanatec FullForce technology ?
I dont get why some of you guys complain about you getting slower. What we want i realism and a good time. Would you be more satisfied if your lap times would decreae by 1 secound ?
Omg is there anyway o can send this glitch im having big troubles with everyone is making it seem like i dont know what im talking about and its really ruining gt7 for me. I dont even look forward to playing anymore cause all i do is the nurburgring and it does it on 2 specific spots and it just doesnt add up. It has to be a glitch!!
Why when u get to like 230 to 300 mph Ur suspension starts going up and down either side till u loose control wtaf is up
I feel gt7 without FFB😢
Some problems I have is some cars I own that I never drove but built but won’t let me drive I have a ! On the pp instead of a number
Try changing the setup. The game does a short simulation run to calculate PP. If your car is undrivable, the run fails and you get the "!".
@@ArumesYT I can only test drive it it reads hp 747 on a heavy rcf but with the rs tires it puts ! For pp and it reads when I enter a race “the car you are currently driving does not have a measurable PP and cannot be driven here “ it says that no matter what race I enter even when I know the other cars have way more power and can drive faster and handle way better this happened to a lot of the cars I haven’t driven yet since patch it just put ! On most of my cars when it didn’t have that on before
@@ryanmcmahon2610 Yeah I know. So as I said, change the setup. I have 887 cars and only ONE of them has a permanent "!": The Abarth 595SS '70 with engine swap. And I fully understand why the game can't drive it.
@@ArumesYT non of the cars i built are even the fast ones it didn’t have the ! Before patch after patch they got ! And some have stock motor like my Lexus RCF didn’t swap motor only did realistic build on it and some other street cars and they got ! As well
@@ryanmcmahon2610 Ok, then don't change the setup and enjoy the "!", Mr. Obstinate. We're done.
The physics become absolute crap..
I used to work in QA (Quality Assurance). Surprised PD's Automated Regression Testing didn't pick up the Edge Cases
I'm guessing that Sophy must take a lot of time to set up
To be honest i do t feel a difference i do need help to understand what changed