English Flints verses Missouri Chert Flints - Which is better?
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- čas přidán 22. 03. 2024
- Putting a Missouri Chert Flint and a English Flint through a brutal test to see which is better.
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I’ve always had great luck with English flints.👌🏼
That is all I use until I was gifted these 3 cherts. Thanks for watching my friend...
I have learned quite a bit just from watching each one of your videos. You always do an amazing job making these videos not only fun but interesting. As always thank you for sharing the videos and blessings to you and your entire family Mark.
Thanks my friend....when you get to Maysville sometime, let me know. I'll take you out for an afternoon of shooting black powder. You'll love it.
@@blackpowdermaniacshooter I will absolutely do that at some point. You're only 2 hours away
Thank you for taking time to produce this video. Interesting for sure.
These experimental ones are always neat to put together.
I have to admit, I never knew that there was a difference in flints! I’ve been shooting black powder rifles since I was old enough to hold one but have never even touched a flintlock rifle! Not because I didn’t want to but because I’ve never had the opportunity. I will continue to watch your videos, Mark, and learn as much as I can until I can acquire one of my own. I live in south-west Virginia, where the flintlock is not very popular but you have single handedly “sparked” my interest in these beautiful firearms! I love your videos, Mark! Thank you for all you do! You have even gotten my wife interested in shooting flintlocks! We watch every Sunday! Good work my friend! May God bless you and yours, from your friends in faith and flints in SW VA.
Be VERY careful once you get flintlock, you'll get hooked immediately! Thanks for watching...
I’m hooked already just from watching! Thanks Mark!
Amen brother....keep on burning that powder!
This goes far beyond mere recreation for you. This my friend is a passion and a scholarly pursuit. Thank you for doing these videos. Thank you for your passion.
Thanks my friend....I have given up just about everything else for this hobby...!! .
Great little test Mark. Thanks for sharing
Thanks for watching..these are fun to do....
Another great video Mark
Thanks my friend....its warming up around here . Time to get out & burn more powder!
Love these videos
Thanks for watching..
Good morning my friend and thank you for sharing your video and adventures
Thanks for watching..
Thank you Mark for sharing your video truly appreciate it 👍👌🔥
Thanks for watching..these are fun to do....
@@blackpowdermaniacshooter I would agree with that one
It was like a 25 shot muzzle loader! Lots of fun and it’s always a pleasure to watch a good ole flint lock shout out freedom! Thanks Brother and Many Blessings! DaveyJO in Pennsylvania
Thanks for watching.more wacky videos are coming soon...
@@blackpowdermaniacshooter I sure enough Love them Wacky Videos! You’re a man after my own heart! Plus you Love Black Powder! What more could a person ask for, eh? Many Blessings and we know who Loves us! DaveyJO in Pennsylvania
Thank you ....great video......
Thanks for watching..
Great test, I have always wonder which to use. thank for the test and keep your powder dry BPMS
Amen brother...!!! Thanks for watching.
We just talked about this at our club shoot today thanks for showing this
Thanks for watching my friend....
Being a misplaced Missouri native, I have to say that the Missouri chirt was impressive.
It was either going to work 100% of the time or not work at all.
(Stubborn as a Missouri mule) hahaha hahaha.
All kidding aside, I was impressed with the chirt, I only use English flints, and now I'm wondering where I can get some of the Missouri chirt you used to try for myself.
I live in Virginia for now and can't just go to the local creek and look for my own.
Great video. I can't wait to see what you come up with for the next video.
Thanks my friend....I have some fun wacky videos loaded up ready to post!
Thank you very much!
Thanks for watching..these are fun to do....more similar ones coming soon..
Very impressed with the Missouri chert but I have always used the English flint since the 70’s and sticking with what works for me .
I get it brother. Until I was gifted these 3 chert flints, I'm with you. English is all I've ever had.
Thanks for another interesting video Mark. I've used local chert, english flints, and french flints in each of my guns. Some guns seem to favor one over another, some don't. I have noticed that my local stuff,( mainly field found chips), tend to vary in hardness causing a differing intensity of the spark.
I agree with you on he local flints. I've tried some local ones too with unreliable results. Thanks for watching..
Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! For well over a year, I have been thinking that local flints have got to be sufficient for this purpose. Instead, domestic flints are used for knives and arrows, while rock lock fans continue to import the black English and pink French ones. It just doesn't seem right! I immensely appreciate your clearing up the quandary.😊
Let me know how well your flints work if or when you make some. I'm curious.
Really good flints , I wouldn't mine either one . Great video 🤠
Same here my friend....as long as they spark, they are good enough for me.
Great job Mark! Most folks would have saved the powder and just lit the pan. Way to commit! You always make it fun and interesting! I tried some quartz one time, it is hard enough it SHOULD work, but every flint I made shattered on impact with the frizzen. What did I know, a rock is a rock right? I wish your videos were around then!
a rock is a rock right? Love that comment. I didn't think there was much differences in them either. Thanks for watching...
Great Video Mark .That Chert flint sore did well Held its edge to the end .Cant get those here in Australia, Just English and French which cost a pretty penny with the postage cost. Cheers and God bless
They are getting expensive here in the USA...and..tougher to find too.
Cool Interesting Video, I use English flint but now after watching this video, I'm going to see about getting some Missouri flints, it was impressive! 👍
Thanks my friend....
I just picked up a piece of MO chert yesterday to use for fire starting
Hope it holds up as good as that piece you have.
Nice video.
Let's hope it holds well too....Thanks for watching....
bless you thanks
Thanks for watching my friend...God Bless.
Love MO chert, especially around Neosho!
I like anything I can find that fits the lock...Thanks for watching...
Excellent demonstration Mark! Due to the high cost, and low ability to find English, and French Amber flints, I started knapping my own earlier this winter. I have been using Ohio Flint Ridge, flint, and Texas chert. I'm so pleased with both,and will probably no go back to the high priced flints!
Can't blame you there my friend. This Missouri flint made a believer out of me!
Without a doubt brother! I'm going to have to get my hands on some of that also. It's such an enjoyable and rewarding experience knapping yer own flints.
@@johnmakarsky2787 Just 1 more step to being self sufficient in this awesome hobby!
How is the flint from the ridge? I just live a few miles from it and was thinking of getting a few pieces to try.
Fantastic results. Look for the blueish gray colored chert. It seems to be the most durable.
Cool test
Thanks for watching..these are fun to do....
@@blackpowdermaniacshooter you are very welcome my friend. Oh i bet!
I've got a nice chunk of Missouri chert I use for firestarter. It will spark more times than the other flint . I'll have to see if I can make any to fit my Pedersoli. Something nice to watch before going to church.
Thanks..let me know how well it works....should be interesting.
The Missouri Chert certainly gets a respectable vote from me ! I was surprised still like my English though. Can a person get the Missouri chert ? I’d like to try some ! Thanks for the video Mark ! You’re the best ! Blessings 👍😃
Until I was gifted these 3 cherts...I use English flints too..it is all I have. I'll save one of them & let you try it this summer when we come over...
I've always had good luck with English Flint's by Tom Fuller from track of the wolf. I'm willing to give the Missouri Flint's a try.
Until now....English flints are all I use too..
Thanks for the test Mark. I have some of the French and English but have never used the Cherts. Im wondering though on the English flint you used if it would have done better with the bevel side down. Just a thought. Thanks for the video
Hmmm, didn't think of trying that! I like putting them upside down on my GPR. I may try that next time out.
One of my Missouri chert flints, I see!
Yessir.....they worked extremely well my friend. Well done!
I see the Mark video at Rome ( Italy)! Always great video. But where to buy the Missouri flints?
Rome Italy...?? Wow, that's awesome! Richard Pierce in the USA does cut chert flints. I'm not sure if he cuts them any longer or not. That's where these flints I was using came from. Thanks for watching...
I've never ran across Missouri cherts, it held up nicely, I wouldn't mind getting a few.
Thanks my friend....
Great video. How many shots do think you will get out of the Missouri chert? Where can you get the Missouri flints? I never seen them before.
I bet that chert would last another 20 shots. Regarding buying them..that I don't know. These were gifted to me. Thanks for watching..
Hey buddy i just ordered myself a trade gun should be here monday or tuesday, i was wondering where ya got your sling at? Thanks bud, I enjoy the videos.
I picked up my sling from FlintlocksLLC. Call 317-683-5102 ask for Mike. Tell him the BPMS says Hi.
Does the lock heat up from the quick session of strikes? Im wondering if after a certain point the spring would weaken and would result in a lighter strike
I didn't notice the lock getting warm..the barrel was another story. That rascal got HOT quickly...!!
I haven't heard of Missouri chert..interesting. People can knock on Pedersoli all they want. As far as factory guns go, they are good..as good as a custom? No but pretty doggone good!
I agree....I've had very good luck with this trade gun, especially since I'm pretty hard on it. Thanks my friend...
Where do you get your devil targets. I would like to know. thanks i enjoy your content
I found and printed the target from the internet google search. I tried to find the most recent one but cannot find it again, Thanks for watching.
Mark,thanks for mentioning The Lord and Savior! I love him too
Amen brother....Our LORD has been mentioned on every video on both my CZcams channels for 2 years now.
Here we have the Mohawk valley flints when and if you can get them.
How well do those work..??
Great video, where did you get the missouri chert?
Fellow shooter Rick Sheets gifted 3 of them to me. Thanks for watching.
Good Sunday afternoon to everyone. I appreciate the video. And everyone through this old evil world throws at us remember Jesus Christ is the answer ✝️🙏💪👍
Amen brother..totally agree!
I started shooting/building BP guns way back in 1975. Once I switched over to flintlocks, I never looked back. I was lead to believe that as far as flints go, the darker the better. Well, thanks to you, I have to admit I was wrong. Now, I have to find out where to buy Missouri Cherts. Any suggestions out there?
Not a clue. I had fellow viewer gift me the 3 I have. Thank for watching.
Spotted flint from Pennsylvania or Ohio is the best ive found .. idk why but its like whatever trace mineral gives it spots makes it spark better
Hey..I love that. I'm sure frontiersman used them too.
I ordered the new bore brush , swab , and cleaning jag from Your recommendation . The came in about a week after ordering . I ordered a loading block too , but He said He was out of the .32 cal blocks till about June .
Just wondering , did You try to make a flint out of a fire steel yet ( I really wonder if it will really work ) .
I have made fire with flint & steel but it has been a long time! Enjoy there hobby my friend. Sounds like you're already hooked and I LOVE it!
@@blackpowdermaniacshooter I meant did You ever try to make a flint for Your
rifle out of a piece of fire steel ?
@@johnhoward7298 Never tried that...I'd like to someday though...
What size flints do you like in that trade musket
I use the 3/4" English flints.
I have always used the English, some have been reliable and some shattered on the 1st strike (same rifle), After watching this I would really like to try the Chert's, where can I get them, I have never seen them or wasn't looking for them.
I'm not sure where you can obtain them. I was gifted the three I used. Rich Pierce use to knap them, however, the last I heard...he has quit making them. Thanks for watching,.
Well....all in all either one works for me....wonder how it would have turned out if you used the english flint first?
Hmmm, that's a great question. I'm not sure what would have happened...Thanks for watching.
Have you tried Edward's plateau flint?
No....Never heard of those flints.
Nice test. Another great video. Quit hitting your fingers with a hammer. That nail looked like it hurt. It would be interesting to hear if knapping was different between the two. Thank you.
You noticed that finger? Yes..that is because of a hammer strike. It almost made my cry....LOL
thats interesting i think i remember someone saying the english flints were so much better judging by this video they seem equal i wonder if frizzen wear has anything to do with the reliability of flint
That may have ben a factor. This gun has seen a harsh life while in my possession. Thanks for watching.
I was wondering, by shot #47 without swabbing, whether there was still a channel through the fouling all the way to the touch hole.😮
I picked the touch hole every time , but, the barrel was pretty fouled up by shot #25 or so...it took a lot time to clean it up.
@@blackpowdermaniacshooter I thought that it might.
Had to mention that the French gentleman (chap from bloke on the range) used yellow french flints in his guns ,so I said to him that I was allways told English black was supposed to be the best flint .he's said that Napoleon used french flint to conqueror Europe, I reminded him Wellington used English flint to beat Napoleon ! If they work that's all you need 👍🇺🇲🇬🇧
Amen brother....I love that bit of history!
Hi Where on the Frizzen should the flint strike?
Set it as high as you can get it without going over the top of the Frizzen. This gives you more room to create a spark. So times it works better with the flint turned over.
@@blackpowdermaniacshooter Thanx
Dear Mark, Where to buy the Missouri flints?
I really don't have a clue. These 3 chert flints were gifted to me. Maybe someone reading this can offer a name or business making these flints. Thanks for watching.
the one you can find.
Amen brother...flints are getting harder to find just like caps are.
Mark, Where do you purchase Missouri Chert Flints?
I have no clue. These were gifted to me by a viewer of the BPMS channel. Thanks for watching..
I know flint knappers will heat treat their chert before they make arrowheads. I wonder if that chert had been hardened with heat treatment.
Hmmmm, great question that I don't have an answer too...I'd love to know also..
I wouldn't say it was a test to say American chert is better than English flint, but rather to say American chert isn't worse than English flint. I use whatever I can find in 3/4 square for my little .36 squirrel rifle. Bevel geometry has more to do with flint life than anything imho. I can put a new flint in my lock and have it fail after 3 shots because of the thin edge crumbling. Knapp it and it fails after 10 shots. Knapp it again and its good for 40 shots. I like to break in a flint this way before the shooting competitions I go to and know that I'll be good for the 15-20 back to back shots without touching my flint. And thats after the 15-20 shots I use to break said flint in. Also I never pick my vent hole. I drop the charge (35 grains of 3f for me .36), short start a patch and ball lubed with spit, then lay a patch damp with spit on the muzzle and use my jag over that to seat the ball. This will seat the ball and clean the barrel ahead of the ball at the same time. While also keeping the sludged fouling out of the main charge and plugging the vent. I can load shot number 20 as easily as shot number 1 with minimal (most matches zero) pan flashes. I may not be the best shot, but just sharing my technique to maybe help others. Thats what this community is about, right?
Amen brother, I agree....I don't pick the touch hole often either..only on this video. Sometimes...I get 45-50 shots from a flint & other times I may get 15-20 shots. It is just the nature of the beast, Thanks for watching my friend...
@@blackpowdermaniacshooter i used to be a flint knapper and through the re-enacting I've done i met a flint knapper who is getting into making gun flints. It would be interesting to have him make flints of various American stones and put them to the test side by side. Anywhere from rough Texas chert up to a piece of higher grade flint ridge or something like that
I have learned there are 3 types of flint Chert, English and Agate. As for top marks English and Chert are leaps and bounds over the Agate
I believe you my friend. I've had best results with the English flints.
Maybe Richard Pierce?
Richard Pierce does cut chert flints. I'm not sure if he does them any longer or not. That's where these flints I was using came from. Thanks for watching...
Missouri seemed a slight faster bang.
They seem to do VERY well..!!
I was always fond of the English flints. That said, there are too many variables between flints in general. A poorly shaped English flint isn't likely to outperform a sharp, properly shaped whatever. Additionally, this assumes the shooter knows how to install the flint properly. Can't tell you how many times I've seen folks griping about poor ignition and it was due to a "wobbler."
Amen...I agree. Until I tried this chert, I've always used English flints. It is all I can find.
I’ve found the biggest difference between English vs French flints is the colour.
Definitely true. I've tried the French flints before with less success than the English ones....
@blackpowdermaniacshooter it's funny like that. I remember there was a thread on the traditional muzzleloading forum. Half the people said they preferred english because they sparked better and lasted longer, the other half preferred frenxh because they sparked better and lasted longer.
I have both but I mostly use french because it suits my guns and the time period they're from.
@@flintandball6093 If that works for you..it works for me. I don't get into the PC part anymore, I look for flints that are reliable & don't care where they come from.
@@flintandball6093 I use English because I have several dozen. I've never tried the cherts until I was gifted 3 of them. Thanks for watching...
That was a cool test, Mark lot's of smoke. Keep your flint sharp, and your powder dry
Keep a tight cock screw.
Amen brother....those thicker flints needs to be checked a little more often by me!! !
@blackpowdermaniacshooter lol your having to much fun 🤣 to think about techniques, Mark. But always remember eyes and hearing protection a must. I had flints go flying
My conclusion is that as long as you have good flints and a serviceable lock, your musket will mostly work. Which is all you can really hope for from a flintlock.
They work a whole lot better than "mostly".
I agree with that statement. Choice of locks & flints can make you or break you.
USA USA USA ! Go Missouri Chert ..
Amen brother.....Go USA.
The two that didn't go off, I seen no spark.
That is kind of crazy, especially since they worked on the next trigger pull. I love this ol' hobby!
That just goes to show you that America beats England in everything we do or use. So in conclusion American chert wins out over English chert yay!
Yeah.....Amen brother. Thanks for watching my friend...
You stress Hearing and Eye protection on all your vids, have you seen or personally experienced anyone being injured in the eyes or have loss of hearing from a flintlock?
No..I haven't. I put those Miranda warnings on all videos due to the negative responses I was consistently reading in the comments about being "unsafe" while enjoying this sport. I seldom read negatively about that anymore. Thanks for asking.
You do you, fam.
Flintlock will pepper your face with little shards of flint. Cap guns will pepper your face with little shards of cap.
Black powder guns are "just as loud" as smokeless guns. Probably. I've never stood next to someone them so I dont really know.
I shoot with glasses because of default. but I haven’t been to a shoot since the early ‘90’s and none of that was considered. Never heard of anyone having problems then.
Just wondering if the sport has now been taken over by Safety Sallies that make it their mission to call out a digression when there is no basis in fact for this. *and no, black powder is not as loud as smokeless
@@Nick-wn1xw i dont know about you, but I generally hold guns in front of me when I shoot them. I dont stand off to the side where guns are generally way louder than they are to the shooter.
@@philbrown6787 I've had some pretty harsh comments a few years ago by some keyboard warriors regarding anything & everything safety wise within the sport. They were wearing me out, so, the miranda was born. By adding those "advisories" to the videos, it stopped the negativity almost immediately. Nowadays....I ask the pretty ladies to make the warnings instead of me. They are easier on the eyes of the viewer that I am. Thanks for watching...
Where do you get the court flints. Who sells them?
I don't have source to purchase these type flints. I only have 3 that were gifted to me a few months ago. Rich Pearson use to knap them, but, I believe he has quit doing so. Thanks for watching....