A Sith in the Acolyte? Does this break the lore?!
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- čas přidán 27. 06. 2024
- Episode 5 of the Acolyte has revealed something that is extremely controversial amongst the fandom. A dark side master that claims to be a Sith or at least that what he want us to think. We take a look at this dark side master and determine whether he's actually a sith lord or just some wanna be dark jedi.
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In the clone wars series, the Jedi literally found out that Dooku (well known Sith at the time) helped create the clone army. The Jedi then decided to cover it up in hopes that the war will end quickly and the problem will resolve itself. The idea that Jedi can’t lie is so childish
Not to mention any of the stuff ore clone wars about telling the chancellor stuff
Ben lied to Luke in the very first movie. George always intended that Vader was going to be Luke's father. People who don't think the Jedi lie have not been paying attention.
The problem is retconning them into liars.
@@ericp1139 Not a retcon at all. Ben was lying to Luke from the beginning. The Jedi have always been portrayed as being flexible with the truth.
They can tell the truth from a certain point of view.
Mundi's unique Force power is to be unerringly wrong at least once per scene.
But what about the droid attack on the Wookies?
@@drewrussell8531 100% an inside job to draw away the one Jedi who could kick Palp's ass before Order 66.
It's almost like they put him in this series because he's the biggest tool on the council.
Theory: Kiadi Mundi was secretly hoping to become a Sith, like that Besolisk asshole, which is why he's so shocked when the clones all turn on him.
...I didn't say it was a GOOD theory, but it explains some of his blatant stupidity in the face of overwhelming evidence.
To be also very confidently wrong.
Count Dooku famously said "You wear the trappings of the Sith, you fight like the Sith. But this can be imitated."
Ahhh finally someone referencing the GOOD Clone Wars show. 😊
You mean from a non canon show
@MRDLT00 they are both good shows what
@@carsonr3909I mean until the replace the introduction of ventress and grievous….it counts until then even if it’s not canon.
@@MRDLT00 Ah. The 2008 one.
Don't forget that the Jedi also buried the fact they knew the Sith/Dooku set up the clone army because of politics and not wanting the Senate/Republic to turn on them.
Bruh that’s because Filoni and the CW writers were all hacks who forget Episode 3 was a thing and so ignored it to put out their own shittily made stories. 😅🤣🤣🤣
@@MRDLT00you do know George Lucas was executive producer over the first 6 seasons of the Clone Wars right?
@@MRDLT00go back to Star Wars theory pal
@@danieltravelstead Painfully aware yes.
Don’t think I’m giving him a free pass for that train wreck either. 🤣
Why did they cover it up?
It wasent just politics, it was the right call:
Revealing the information doesnt change the fact they are still stuck in war with the CIS, all it does is cause division on the Republic side.
Think about how many worlds may take the news and decide to join the confederacy. Think about how the lack of trust between Jedi and their troops would lead to unnecessary death and losses would result from Generals paranoid their troops are weapons of the Sith? Think of how it helps the narrative the sith intended from the beginning to make it look like the Jedi were behind the war? Think of the riots from the protesters from the war they were already constantly dealing with?
Our own governments and organizations only tell us half the shit when things hit the fan because the damage caused by the truth in a lot of cases are worse than ignorance.
I can't be the only one that reads sublety in "I have no name, but a jedi like you might call be sith", to me that says he is not sith but the dogmatic one track mind of the Jedi calls any force user that isn't jedi a sith
agree with this, the line heavily implies that the Jedi view everyone who practices the dark side is Sith, wether they actually are or not doesnt matter
It’s weasly lawyer talk. The fact that he even brought up the word “Sith” after he committed a bunch of Sith-like activities should raise all alarm bells.
@@ericp1139 but a lot of his actions are also decisively un sith like
feel like this video actually does a good job explaining why qimir is most likely not just a hum drum dark jedi
@xtrafunk based on novels there's supposed to be any number of other force users, not just jedi, sith, dark jedi, or witches
Sidious had Maul, an assassin/acolyte while being Plagueis' apprentice.
Exactly.
JAson was great in The Good Place and he is great in The Acolyte. I hope we will get to see much more of him, in the Acolyte and beyond.
The “hello.”
Robe toss + force pull was perfect.
I think you meant “dope” homie
"Jason was the Sith?! Jason! This is a real low point, yup, this one hurts"
The Acolyte is below a apprentice so he's probably not the master but either a assassin for the Master or a rogue apprentice. He doesn't have a name so he was never given a title.
Qimir could be a former Apprentice that killed his Master. Poisoning your Master is the Sith way.
I don't think that means anything is there an actual official ranking system. But yes he probably is an apprentice
@@jesusjuice7401well to my knowledge, and could definitely be wrong about this and this is old legends stuff, there wasn’t like a “ranking” but due to the rule of two there should only be 1 master and 1 apprentice at a time. So for example maul was palpatines sith assassin (maul didn’t know that though) and Pelagius only allowed palps to take him on if he was specifically not an apprentice but an assassin. Maybe acolyte is another term for assassin, like they’re interchangeable, or it’s a new “rank” or it’s a hint at something completely different. But no there wasn’t like an official ranking system
Mannn I mean they shut everyone up if it turns out that darth plagueis or Darth Tenebrous is his master 😭😭😭
Both Jedi and Sith call their students Apprentice. I'm pretty sure they are canonizing Acolyte as the Sith equivliant of Padawan.
Manny Jacinto is my favorite part of the Acolyte so far. He's played the duality of his character perfectly.What an amazing actor to go from disheveled drunken henchman to a dark and savage master assassin. Unbelievable job by the Son of Donkey Doug!
Yees 💯% Woop so look forward to relaxing with S01E06 when stream via D+ & hoping that Bazil + Sol survive 🤞
Manny plays two roles so wunderful❤ Wish that Amandla could make it good,too. I have no connection to the twins ...
Does anyone else see the irony in most of the fan base viewing him as a Sith when the whole point of the "I have no name, but you might call me Sith" implies that he isn't a Sith, but with the dogmatic view of the Jedi they see him as a Sith?
Jedi label any Force users outside their orthodoxy as Darksiders, or heretics at best. Qymir is saying that he just wants to be free to use his special abilities however he pleases, without answering to a dogmatic hierarchy, and that from the Jedi point of view this makes him evil. Having said that he's involved in a conspiracy to murder law enforcement officers, not exactly campaigning for the rights of retail workers or working in a homeless shelter for war veterans, so his argument that he's the good guy in this equation is kind of weak. He really is a dangerous criminal killing off anyone who gets on his nerves, and the Jedi are absolutely right to try and stop him. Think of a drug dealer or a pimp trying to persuade a potential victim that society is judging them too harshly and that the police are scumbags. They're basically brainwashing strangers to try and make them vulnerable to exploitation and assault. The Jedi may have their issues but they're preferable to being at the mercy of the Sith.
well he yields a red lightsaber so its a fair to think he is a sith. a non sith wouldn't have a force push that strong to knock back that many jedi masters as hard as qumir did. I could be wrong but i think qmir is a sith apprentice and his master is going to wind up killing him for revealing himself so foolishly to the jedi. have to wait and see how it plays out but that's what i think is going on at the moment.
Even venomous was looking for an apprentice while he himself was a secret apprentice
I like that Alan’s apartment keeps moving around Coruscant. Either the Coruscant architects are very unoriginal and keeping things super consistent across the planet, or he’s actually in some sort of moving building/vehicle.
Even if he is a Sith Lord, it's still possible that he will kill all the witnesses so the Jedi Council never learns that he was a Sith, and even if the Jedi learn he is a Sith is seems plausible that they might cover it up - the Grand Master has already talked about covering up the Jedi murders. It's even possible that Ki-Adi-Mundi will lie to a future Jedi council instead of admitting to the cover up.
Yep! All this!
Good point
It could also just be simpler than that. People can convince themselves of a lot of things. If the Jedi really don't want to believe the Sith have returned (like in the Phantom Menace), they'll find a way to explain it away so that the answer is anything other than the Sith.
Qimir basically pulled an Obito Uchiha when he was in his 'idiotic' Tobi persona.
It's a bit infuriating how shameless this series is about using the most cliche plot devices.
Bro you just HAD to hit us with the smooth jazz intro... TT
The second I heard the swanky jazz and the city pop background I was like "Hello There"
"Was that its name?" The way he said that and the body language was so unsettling 👏👏👏
I personally just wished they hadn't used the word Sith but we'll see where they take it from here
There is a possibility that the Jedi knew about the Sith not being extinct but keeping it secret, key Jedi like Ki Adi and Yoda.
There is the peculiar fact that yoda somehow knows the rule of two at the end of episode 1 eventhough there is no way he can if Maul is the first sith they encountered in 1000 years.
would play very well into venestra being all hush hush and yoda being all hush hush and not informing the senate
Darth Bane books are considered Legend. And any knowledge of Sith could be from the extensive Jedi library or even Force ghosts, like how Yoda encountered Bane’s ghost in Clone Wars.
Why shouldn't the rule of two be mentioned in the jedi archives?
I don't get why this is so suspect that Yoda knows this. I've never met a Templar or Monk but I can still know a whole lot about their history and beliefs/traditions.
@@jonahuniqorn952I think it might be suspect because by the time Yoda was born, about a century had already passed since Darth Bane established the Rule of Two, that's in Canon and Legends. This means that someone like him would have to have heard about it somehow in the centuries leading up to the Clone Wars, and considering that the only encounters the Jedi Order had with Dark Jedi and or potential Sith after Russan were in Legends, there isn't a Canon reason for him to know. The Rule of Two wouldn't be accessible knowledge to the Jedi because it was formed after the Sith went into hiding. Any information on Sith ideology would be either outdated or unobtainable by then.
@@jonahuniqorn952 Its suspect because Yoda cant know about it. Bane established the rule of two in secret when wiping out the sith. There is literally no way yoda can know the rule of two unless the jedi somehow know the jedi were not actually extinct. Both is mutualy exclusive
Qimir was just minding his own business and then the Jedi showed up and demand that he should get on his knees.
He told them that he's not their mother last night.
The Jedi took exception to that.
I can just see Qimir talking to his master just "So I was minding my own business-"
"BULLSHIT!"
"I waaaaaaaaaas"
WTAF does this even mean...
ah yes murdering someone is just minding your own business
@@adambrewer4460 dude, they're obviously playing
@@Loki_YogiFor context, this is a reference to TeamFourStar’s parody of the anime Hellsing Ultimate, Qimir being compared to the character Alucard, who similarly slaughters a group of enemies in a forest in casually ruthless manner, but dismisses it as a “very enthusiastic walk through the woods”.
"I have no name. But the Jedi like you might call me, Sith."
He never claim he was a Sith.
He probably isn't a Bane lineage rule of two Sith, but he follows the Sith code and uses Sith techniques. That works fine in canon, that makes him a Rival, similar to Maul after he conquerored Mandalore.
@@jiffypoo5029I like your theory, not sure about the comparison to maul cause I don’t think palps ever saw maul as a true threat but that’s neither here nor there. My instant thought was similar to the commenters, it was almost as if he said sith because that’s the closest named thing he can compare himself too, and your theory then kind of explains the very sithy nature of qimir. I think it’s a strong theory
@@jiffypoo5029 You know, many have had theories that Qimir might be the first Ren. If so, you think that might mean that Kylo Ren wasn't really a Sith, just a dark side force user?
Still totally stupid. Breaks the lore of the canon completely. The Jedi discuss amongst THEMSELVES in PRIVATE that the Sith are thought to be extinct. If there was even a remote idea that the Sith may exist in any capacity, mere teachings or otherwise, it would have been discussed in the council with due consideration
@@soundwavesuperior28 I guess that's true. I mean I did always think it weird that they didn't tell the High Council about the *possible* discovery of Sith right under their noses.
Eckhartsladder has a great video about exactly this point: the open existence of Sith before TFM doesn't break Disney canon nor Legends canon, it enhances the whole story.
My personal running theory is that we have a typical sith 3 way like with Sideous, Dooku and Ventress. Plagueis is the Master and that's how the coven was able to create the sisters, Mother Koril is the Apprentice after her daughters were taken, Qimir is her Acolyte but thinks she's the master and he's looking for his own to take her out and be free.
I think Plageuis would be too young at this point, but I suppose they made Ki Adi Mundi older, they could make Plagueis older too ...
Honestly, never thought of that and now thinking about it that’s actually a pretty fucking smart theory.
I definitely would not hate if this is actually what’s going on
As an Asian American I have to admit it is refreshing to see API representation in Star Wars that don't suck.
who are you honestly referring to? smilo ren? or the dumb jedi who just sits by and lets all of his apprentices die?
@@theatricultplease shut up. Thank you.
Maybe he’s a Sith Wannabe, but not an actual Sith. Maybe he’s claiming to be a Sith because he thinks that will cause fear and panic.
he didnt claim to be sith, he said someone like the Jedi might call him Sith, which is an implication that the Jedi view everyone as Stih who uses a red lightsaber and uses the dark side
Maybe its a bit of both.
Cant help but think of all todays Wiccans that swear they are wiccan even though we know basically more about their poop then their actual religion. (It's weird but archeologicaly we really do from all the latrines they buried)
@@katraapplesauce1203that’s what happens when you Sith code your characters.
There is the Bane lineage Sith and there are Rivals that also follow the Sith code. Maul was a Rival to Palpatine after he conquered Mandalore. He could also be one of Tenebrous' assasins that ran away and wants to do his own thing.
He could also have no relation to the current two sith of well the rule of two. He could be killed by the real sith Master and aporentice.
Then again we may reading to much into it sswell they may screw the ending
Regarding Mae’s and Osha’s switcheroo, one thing that intrigues me that people that aren’t paying attention enough are calling a plothole is that Mae was about to surrender to the Jedi, but she specifically says surrender to Master Kelnacca. My running theory is that whatever happened in Brendok, from Mae’s point of view what Sol, Indara and Torbin did was significantly worse than what Kelnacca did. My theory is that Mae thinks or saw something that Sol, Indara and Torbin did and for some reason, isn’t as pissed off at him as she is with the others. Also, while she is resisting Jecki’s arrest, the moment she truly gets pissed off is when Jecki accuses her of killing her own family. That’s something that Mae vehemently believes she didn’t do it, from her own point of view.
As for The Stranger: I believe that the answer is in the middle. He is a Sith Lord. He has a master. But just like he doesn’t like the Jedi, I fully believe that the seeds for him to eventually rebel against the Sith are also there. He wants freedom, and both the Jedi and Sith are too dogmatic for someone so hellbent on doing his own thing. If he survives and we hopefully get a second season, I do think that it might lead up to The Stranger forming its own dark force splinter order. The first of the knights of Ren, perhaps?
Either way The Acolyte is the most hyped I’ve been for deep lore Star Wars in a good while and I do think that if they stick the landing, this show will be as celebrated as Andor, looking forward for the last three episodes of this season.
Same.
Everything.
Same! 👏🏽
That is sort of the impression I got, that he is at like the point where a sith kills their master. He wants to get his own apprentice and his own thing, but his master might still be around some where. And maybe he does want to create his own new order, that would explain why he calls the apprentice an Acolyte.
I had to pause the video so I could laugh... That Ki-Adi Mundi child support joke... 😅😅😂
Make sense, since ki-adi has like what, 5 or 6 wives?
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6:58 "I want to se power corrupt..." Hell yeah. Alan now identifies as "darkside curious" for sure, and I love it.
I mean aren´t we all dark side curious? I sure would dip my toes in the darkside ...
@@Player-px1jq Toes? I'd bathe in the turbulent waters!
So glad I found this channel. Your breakdowns and well-thought-out perspectives really calm down my frustrations/anxieties about Disney Star Wars, while simultaneously building up my curiosity for what comes next and increasing my appreciation of Star Wars lore in general. You might as well be force-waving your palm across the screen while you talk cause you are definitely changing my mind about things I never thought I’d budge on, lol. Looking forward to more of your Star Wars breakdowns. Subscribed 👍🏽
"You wear the trappings of a Sith, you fight like the Sith. BUT these can be imitated however." Count Dooku.
What was the line, "you carry the weapon of a jedi" the Sith invented and build the first light-sabers, that should be all you need to know that whom ever is writing this is cherry picking the lore...
@@Vandrock Except that isn't canon and lightsabers were referred to as the weapons of Jedi in the the films.
@@ignisinfernal1843 Oh you are one of those kind of people, then tell me what he used to short out them there 'jedi; weapons...
Death threats to Wookiepedia? That’s insane.
Yeah the rage induced lunatics are out of control
Yup, it's madness.
We can thank StarWarsTheory for telling his famously toxic fanbase to "fix" the Wookieepedia article
Its also insane that people who dont like the new star wars get them, from the crowds that swings those pride flags around.
So they were actually chanting, “the power of one, the power of two, the power of Manny”?
Obi Wan could’ve literally unraveled the sith grand plan by asking mother talsmith who took the red Zebrak
My thoughts are that Qimir is the apprentice, seeking an acolyte as a Master seeks an apprentice.
Qimir understands the Sith code, he has internalized it, he is constantly quoting it. If he is the apprentice, then as you point out, he must feel held back by his Master. "The Rule of Two" requires that the apprentice become the Master. I think Qimir as Apprentice is seeking to embody the Master through the symbolic act of taking on his own "apprentice" and thereby align his mind with the way his Master thinks so that he may destroy them and take their place.
Whether or not he is successful in any of that, we have yet to see... but I'm looking forward to seeing this play out.
I actually loved the Sith reveal.
It felt like what things would have been like if JarJar worked.
i have a feeling a lot of the writing is self aware of the fandom. so yeah darth jar jar 😁
It was cool to see Cortosis being used in canon.
Judging how Disney disregards canon ages, I wouldn’t be surprised if the final boss is Darth JarJar.
@@ericp1139Ki-Adi-Mundi never had canon age.
@@LukiKruki he did in official Lucasfilm material. It might not be “hard canon,” but it’s not Legends EU.
Maul still called himself a Sith long after he was dropped by Papa Palpi and got split into 2. He even tried to play his own rule of two thing even though there was already a Sith with an apprentice in the galaxy.
Just because you are a 'Sith' does not make you part of the 'Sith Empire'...
However he foregoes the Darth title
@@Obbe79 He did that after no longer considering himself a Sith.
It seems reasonable there were multiple 'two' at various times. If the Sith are in hiding, how would you know about the others? It isn't like they have conventions of anything.
12:05
Writing room:
So how do we illustrate the moral corruption of the Jedi?
We have Qimir respond "No u" to Master Sols allegations.
Okay. Good, good. What else?
We have him repeat it 3 times..?
Perfect..
Can't wait to see how Sol explains losing 5 or 6 Jedi in one incident!
If he gets the chance
Qimir is the apprentice of Mother Koril. He’s not a Sith, but he’s willing to throw the name out there for a little borrowed menace.
Maybe Ki adi Mundi just never found out it WAS a sith. Perhaps something happens on the way back to the temple. Sol wouldn’t just announce SITH to the galaxy, i betcha he’s taking it to the council but gets routed and Mundi just never finds out that it is a sith to begin with. Not aware, not evil, not lying :)
I think the line: "but the jedi like you may call me...sith", is a dig at the jedi in the way they see anyone with a red lightsabre a sith. He is pointing out the irony that even tho the jedi say the sith deal in absolutes, so too do the jedi. I think he is simply an assasian like ventress. He may still be under his master's tutelege or i think he ran away from his master as he was eager to use his powers so he is trying to start a new sith group away from his masters. Perhaps at the end of the series, when no-one has killed him, we see his master make quick work of him (force lighting, etc) to show the TRUE power of the sith. I think the reselution of Sol's inner demons and the "defeat" (not death) of Qimir will be satisfactory for the ending
Even obi wans statement that only the sith deal in absolutes, is in itself, an absolute
@@jbeattie02 Obi-wan's line is that a jedi must seek compromise through dialogue and be open to peaceful resolutions. A sith on the other hand, if the other party does not bend knee, will seek to destroy them.
@runakovacs4759 I get what you mean, I was reading through semantics of the words. Kind of like the letter of the law, whereas what you're saying would be the spirit of the law
@@jbeattie02 Yeah. it's important to consider the full context of the exchange.
"If you aren't with me, then you are my enemy" (i.e.: you must bend knee to me or I will destroy you.)
it's a direct refutation/rejection of it, and out of context it loses its intended meaning.
The people whining about this show are so annoying. They keep making dumb arguments like "its breaking lore" and talk about the Ki Adi Mundi line in TPM, but when you explain that they are trying to cover it up, they dont listen. So at this point im starting to realize alot of these people will just never be satisfied with new star wars content. Im not saying all Dis+ SW shows are good, quite the opposite. But on the rare case we do get a good show (andor and maybe acolyte) we should support it not complain over the stupidest shit. Like the age of one jedi.
So just a thought experiment, if the Jedi were trying to cover up the return of powerful Darksiders or Sith ... even if it was just Mundi, why does he not really seem to take precautions or do anything to investigate further, what would a cover up serve? Mundi's lines the prequels felt like it was to inform the audience why the Jedi are so complacent during the period.
@@kelticowl9400Don't expect logical consistency from Disney shills.
props to the actor for making this dark side master feel so unhinged and unpredictable. bro feels like a true psychopath
Internet Rule 66: Any new Star Wars content will be trolled.
That dark doomy Jazz and that nighttime Coruscant background got me thinking we absolutely need an old school hardboiled detective series set in the Star Wars universe with cheesy inner monologues and everything. But each episode needs to be a canned standalone episode with an occasional two part entry and a cliff hanger season finale - old school all the way. Maybe an intermittent cameo by a known character at most. I could tune in for that every week.
It could be that a few Jedi end up being aware this could tie in how Yoda knows “Always two there are”
Having not seen or heard of a sith for 1000 years... and they put a sith within 100 years of that statement? As a side note, I think he killed it with that character. The Jar Jar we wanted.
there is the fact that yoda somehow knows about the rule of two in episode 1, which he cant unless the jedi have somehow had contact with sith prior. Definitly worth asking questions about given the hush hush nature of the jedi
@@katraapplesauce1203In their nitpick, they forgot the movies they claim to love
@@katraapplesauce1203 And until The Acolyte or something clears that up, it remains a plothole how Yoda knows about the Rule of Two, if they don't know about the continued existence of the Sith at all. That, or Yoda had a very specific revelation in his drug induced comas, one of the two.
@@katraapplesauce1203 Everything is conflicting these days. Rule of 2 was 1000 years old. Sith have not been seen in 1000 years. Yoda was less than 900 years old. So none of that makes sense either unless the Sith have been seen within 1000 years. Maybe this show is trying to ret-con that statement lol?
Forgetting the fact they’ve said repeatedly that they shouldn’t tell the council and that he says “you WOULD call me a Sith” not “I have no name. I am merely a Sith or I AM a Sith”. But hey, why focus on details when you’re determined to hate something. They should just stop making Star Wars all together, no nothing. Waste of time, talent and money. No one is ever satisfied.
Does the Jedi and Sith meeting each other break canon? NO. I don't think anyone is arguing that.
Does the Jedi and Sith meeting each other and several surviving, giving ample opportunity for the rumor to spread, and then needing a convoluted and contrived plot to make sure the lid goes back on the can of worms, break canon? Potentially, and also makes it an unsatisfying watching experience.
Let me tell you about Master Yoda knowing the rule of two in episode 1, and then let me ask you, how can he possibly know the rule of two if the jedi didnt know the sith still existed?
i think its likely they knew something but it was kept a secret by specific key Jedi in the Order. It wouldnt be out of character
Who said they're gonna survive though ?
Literally one Jedi survived the encounter, did you even watch the show?
@@bencrowson7661 The show isn't over yet.
Yes. This is the strawman argument that drives me nuts. Obviously, the Sith exist, which is how Palpatine rose to power. The lore break comes of anyone else knows about it.
I think that maybe Qimir is an apprentice going behind his master’s back to train an acolyte to then overthrow his master and become a Sith master.
It doesn’t actually matter if Qimar is Sith or “just a dark side user.” He’s powerful enough to kill multiple Jedi at once. That’s important.
If the police are looking for a murderer and later found out the suspect “is just a rapist” it doesn’t change the police response. “Stop looking. He only brutally raped someone.”
The Jedi would have been just as vigilant of a strong dark side user in episode 1 due to this encounter. The whole point is the Jedi would have been more wary of Sidious and Maul and not caught off guard. Jedi complacency due to lack of rivals is essential to the whole story.
He's not the master, he's the second one .. trying to find his own #2 so he can try and kill his master .. just a thought. Also, who's to say the rule of two was as solid a rule as we were led to believe.
I agree, I'm thinking this apprentice is either tired of living in the shadows and keeping undetected from the Jedi.
Or just tired of keeping under the rules imposed by his own master?
Love your channel and how you're going against the general negative trend :D Also just enjoying Star Wars content no matter who creates it or what the actors say even if some scenes might be a tad goofy ^^ Keep up the good work I'll keep silently following you, just wanted to say something for once :3 Also quite seductive intro music ^^
People get death threats for editing something to be more CORRECT? That's just sad on so many levels.
Very nuanced and thoughtful. I really appreciate your approach and breakdowns. Keep it up!
I’m still curious if we’ll get to see Quimir’s Master somewhere in the finale?
Him saying he is a sith does in no way make him a sith. I could say “I’m Batman” every day. Would not make it true.
"you might call me... Sith"
That "might" is doing a LOT of lifting.
"You tell me" and "you brought her here" are up there with "like you trained his father?" line. I love Manny Jacinto in the rol and even when the show cinematography feels a bit cheap I still like it very much. I hope it keeps getting better from here.
thanks alan for ur time and ur hard work for the info
I can see Qimir being a sith apprentice and looking for an acolyte to train so that whenever he kills his master he would already have someone he can make into an apprentice. I don't really see too much of reason why he isn't at least a sith apprentice (but then he might not be?) because he's shown he is good at manipulation, trickery, and the sheer brutality/coldness of a sith. The main thing that I've noticed is how calm and confident he is in when he talks about the code of the sith and the dialogue he has with Sol. Maybe the it's similar to how Bane (the DC version in Batman lol) says this line in the dark knight rises, "It doesn't matter who we are. What matters is our plan." And that quote reminded me of what Qimir says,
"I have no name...but a Jedi like you might call me...Sith."
What if, and hear me out, Qimir is actually the acolyte. He wants to be the apprentice, he’s working for an unseen master, who hasn’t given him a name yet. Mae/Osha are the test that gets him his name. He’s not a Sith, yet. He’s working towards it. He’s been trained, and he’s training up his future follower. The Rule of 2 is not exactly accurate. There’s a Master and an apprentice, except the apprentice is training up an apprentice of his own for when he kills his master, and so on, and so on.
Didnt kiadis age come off like, a gameing card? Then it was put in a book. Top shelf quality material right there.
Great video bro ❤
Using the term "Sith" may have just been part of Qimir's efforts to unsettle Sol.
the line I would focus on is "i don't make the rules". "the jedi do" "they say i can't exist, they see my face they all die" It makes me speculate Sith ARE Jedi's official executioners differ side same coin, Like a high functioning psycho branch. Everyone on that planet is a "darksider" that needs to be "cleaned up" and we have not been given full context of what happened.
Personally I really like Qimir's character. I would prefer he be someone that found a lost sith holocron then an actual rule of two sith. I feel that you would have more freedom to do interesting things with his character in that case.
I believe that in any case, he will have to set up some scenario where the Jedi order thinks something or someone else killed the Jedi on that forest planet. Like Darth Bane and Zannah tricked the Jedi order by setting up a Jedi they had tortured into insanity as the culprit when they were discovered..... wait will Qimir try and pin all the blame on Sol?
“You wear the trappings of the Sith, you fight like the Sith… but this can be imitated, however.“
Loved Genndy's Clone Wars
Potentially: The plan was to keep both twins at the end, Mae did something unexpected and Qimir may sense this could spoil the plan (say... She sees what Sol saw, realizes her memories are also screwed with, and instead of finishing revenge tries to find out what happened...)
You don't understand, Allen, a minor detail in a fictional universe that conflicts with something that is no longer considered canon got mentioned and it RUINED MY LIFE AND I MUST RAAAAAAAAAGGGEEEEEE!!!!!
I have actually come around to the series. I was a bit hesitent but i feel like when you look back at the show after its finished it wont be as bad as its described right now. It will be better than film 8, boba fett or kenobi in my opinion.
It should've been a long-movie yeah.
I see this as two, maybe three ways:
1. Qimir _is_ a Sith (whether currently or formerly like Maul or Millenial)
2. He’s a Dark Jedi (like Set Harth or Desaan), who might have some hidden history involving Sol.
3. He’s a _possible_ member/founder of the Knights of Ren (least likely)
"I have no name. But the Jedi like you might call me, Sith."
He's not talking about himself. He's making a comment about how the Jedi view people like him.
As someone else pointed out, Count Dooku famously said "You wear the trappings of the Sith, you fight like the Sith. But this can be imitated."
A Sith Lord?
Dam you took my comment
Impossible. Weren't those guys supposed to be extinct for over a millennium?
Impossible. The Sith have been extinct for a milennia!
@@diegojimenezaguado5421 good answer
Yes, the one we’ve been looking for.
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people who get upset about a tv show need to go through a real crisis, learn what is worth getting upset about.
Okay, let's just assume that Qimir is NOT a Sith. By the end of this season, it is revealed that he is some sort of talented Dark Side user or whatever -- it doesn't really matter. Anyway, the Jedi Council is told, Qimir was not a Sith. A hundred years pass and Ki-Adi-Mundi is now on the Jedi Council at probably 140 years old. Qui Gon states that he believes that Maul is a Sith Lord. Now, if Qimir, a hundred years previously, was NOT a Sith and Mundi and the Jedi Council know and accept that Qimir was not a Sith, then wouldn't the conversation with Mundi have gone something like this, in The Phantom Menace:
Qui Gon: He was trained in the Jedi Arts, my only conclusion can be, he is a Sith Lord.
Ki-Adi-Mundi: Not necessarily, Qui Gon; 100 years ago a powerful dark side user named Qimir killed over half a dozen Jedi, including a Jedi Master, he used a red saber like Maul and dressed in black like you say Maul dressed, yet Qimir was not a Sith, so it is likely this Zabrek is not a Sith either.
If the council concludes that Qimir is not a Sith, then I feel Mundi would bring up Qimir to Qui Gon as proof that a dark side user with a red saber doesn't mean they have to be a Sith. Since he doesn't mention this in TPM (obviously because TPM was made before The Acolyte) then it would look like Mundi was part of a cover-up of the incident with Qimir, or simply doesn't know the truth about what happened. Otherwise, he would have likely mentioned Qimir to refute Qui Gon's claims about Maul.
No matter what they say Alan, you have one of if not THE best Star Wars channel out there.
more like a Knight of Ren.
yeah i hear a lot of people talking about that, especially because of his appearance and the theme song, although not a fan of them trying to connect this with the sequels
@@GenerationTech By the times of sequels era ,knights of Ren terrorized galaxy for more than hundreds years. So, Qimir might be the firts of them because of the "I have no name" "I want freedom". It`s so un-sith philosophy. Qimir might be an untrained sith, who left his master for reasons before he finished his training and recvive a sith name.
@@odimusdir9857 freedom is central to sith ideology, but i agree it could be knights of ren, his mask is very similar to Rens mask in the comic and it would play into the theme of force cults
@@katraapplesauce1203 It` not that "freedom" that stated in the sith code. Qimir whant a student, that he can train by his own way, unlike sith training, that req very precice and brutal restrictions.
He and Kybo Ren are the same person.
I've seen speculation that Qimir might be a knight of Ren or even the Ren that creates the knights in the first place. If you look up images of the leader (before Ben Solo/Kylo took over) he is usually wearing a helmet and topless save for a loose cloak, a very similar style to what Qimir is wearing when he shows up here. Now, granted there is over 150 years between the two, so that being meant as a clue is probably a reach.
Nevertheless, I could see him being a precursor since the feeling I get from the knights is like he says, they just want to do what they want and use their power however they want, but the Jedi have so much control during this time that they have to keep it quiet.
As for the "lore-breaking", it assumes that Qimir is actually Sith and not just, as you say, saying that to stir up the Jedi and also that Ki Adi Mundi even knows about this happening. He may only know that a team went down and only two returned. He is not a high-level council member at this time, so he may not be privy to any discussions of details, especially if it was kept out of any official reports. As I've said, he could be covering up, he could genuinely not know, or he could just not be thinking of this event at the time if it was just one person instead of an entire army like during the Jedi-Sith wars.
So maybe this is crazy, but maybe the "acolyte" Qimir is after is Sol and his taunting is to make Sol break to the point where he is all fury and anger in his fight. He knows the darkness in Sol's past and is looking to fully turn him. To the Jedi Sol is pure and one of their best. Isn't it just like the sith to take that and destroy it? It gains them a powerful ally, while still in hiding a high ranking figure inside their enemies stronghold, and when revealed will have a devastating psychological effect on their enemy.
I don't think it is a coincidence or a mistake that Ki-Adi-Mundi, the ONLY character we've seen in the Acolyte who appears in later chronology, is also the exact character who said the Sith haven't been seen in a thousand years. I trust the writers included him for a specific reason.
About people sending death threats to Wookiepedia, I'm still waiting on the receipts for that. Too many times have people claimed that, and turns out it didn't happen.
Just go read the comment and quote tweets - some of them were right there on the TL.
wookipedia has a coent section udner articles. just look it up. some comments might have been deleted by now tho.
I don't think Qimir is a Sith, I think the theme of the show has been the Jedi have a closed-minded view of the Force, that you're either a Jedi or you're evil, so Qimir was saying you would call me a Sith because you are ignorant to other ways; it's a whole non-binary argument. His techniques aren't just Sith either; remember that the way he got in the Jedi's heads was similar to Osha's coven, indicating he is an eclectic practitioner, not limited to any dogmatic faction.
Characters giving lies of omission for their own benefit is not new, remember how Obi Wan lied about Darth tricking Luke into thinking he needed to fighting against his father murderer. Lies of omission are very common.
I enjoy the calmer perspective you take on all of this. There is a positive vibe to your approach. I can't help but feel much of the stuff I've encountered about this show, in terms of critiques, is bad criticism, which is often closer to the kind of propaganda Disney is often accused of.
And yes, much of the outrage does seem performative. Oddly enough, that makes it more entertaining. 😅 Click bait? Perhaps. How much money is there in making these sorts of videos?
I doubt that he's a Sith Lord because let's just be honest he could just be a dark Jedi wanting to be a Sith Lord. I bet you at the end of the show this guy will die at the hands of a real Sith Lord. There's a very good chance this guy could be a legend that the Knights of Ren would later adopt his philosophy who knows.
This was my thought since episode one, even before we knew his identity...
That would mean he does not exist as there is NO such thing as a dark jedi...
@@Vandrock this guy could be the very first knight of ren.
@@jurassictyrantkingYT No, no he can not...
@@jurassictyrantkingYT I am, he is not in anyway a knight of ren as the date of there founding was 3 ABY and this show takes place at-least 50-100 BBY...
It is lore breaking. At 132 BBY, Darth Ramage and Darth Tenebrous were the two sith lords. thus, this guy must be an assassin for them. that's the only way this works.
Manny is killing it. When I first saw him on screen, I was so happy especially when I started picking up the sith hints. He was amazing in the good place.
They need to make a show where Jar Jar becomes a mandalorian
At this rate, Disney would do it just to burn all bridges with the fandom.
Obviously Jar Jar can be anything he want.
Casually the best Star Wars youtuber 💙
He’s probably more inline with the Mara Jade type character from legacy Star Wars.
One of Tenabris’s several dark Jedi/assassin types lackies. If they manage to beat the current apprentice, then they take their place, or just proves that the current apprentice fits, the Sith mold of the strongest will survive.
He said the Jedi would consider him a sith, not that he is one. They already showed witches, he could just be his own side branch of dark side force user. Or he could be an apprentice looking to train his own acolyte, Vader had a gaggle of dark side inquisitors under him while Palatine's apprentice, doesn't break the Rule of Two.
My guess is while Mae may have started the fire, when the Jedi on Brendak went in, the witches probably accused them and attacked, they defended themselves, killing the witches. Sol pressed on to find Osha while the other three retreated. Mae would later find the bodies, giving her the belief that the jedi killed the "unarmed" witches.
lore enhancing?😑definitely changing the lore as we know it. If wookiepedia is changing preexisting pages and not just adding new characters then it’s lore breaking
Smilo Ren > Kilo Ren
Another thought - the Rule of Two could be lie created by the Sith to deceive both the Jedi and their own apprentices. If the Jedi believe there are only two Sith in vastness of the Galaxy there isn't much point in looking for them as the chances of success are infinitesimal; however, if the Jedi knew or suspected that hundreds or thousands of Sith pairs had infiltrated the Galaxy, the Jedi be far more strongly motivated to hunt for Sith. If an apprentice believes there are no more masters and no other apprentices, then the apprentice has no motive to look for other masters and apprentices who might help the apprentice overthrow the master; however, it apprentices knew there were other masters and each have several apprentices who they kept hidden from each other, then (Sith being Sith) every apprentice would be looking for allies to use against the master.
Respect for actually not being a click bait hatter in the Fandom or should I say Pretend Fandom Channels
Another Kathleen Kennedy destruction plot! Oh George why did you selll to Disney?!! Didn't she say "the future is female"? These agendas and attact on masculinity has destroyed my beloved franchise. I cried after I saw the force awakens! I was like what in the entire f. Finn, Rey, Kilo what tf is this?? Where is Jason Solo, Mara Jade, Ben Sky Walker, new jedi temple with new media. Han and Leia together in a loving relationship in a high exalted position. Nope we get Han and Luke destroyed they even showed a scene where Rey hit Luke during training. This all from a Mary Sue character that flies fighters better than trained soldiers. knows nothing of the force uses the Jedi mind trick and fights with a light Saber better than a trained Jedi!!!!!!!!!! Iam still hurt by all of this!!!! True fans know exactly what I'm taking about...
Even if Lucas hadn’t sold it you were never going to get love action Mara Jade, Lucas hated her character.
you are a pathetic clown, jfc
go cry somewhere else, better yet touch some grass and get a life
Do I sense a bit of sarcasm here?
You're delusional. Rey's fights against Kylo are all reasonable. The one people point out the most is literally where he got shot by Chewbacca's bowcaster, fought against Finn and won (a trained soldier), and fought against Rey and ended in a draw. Rey has extensive combat experience from being hassled by other scrappers, bandits, and wild animals on her home world. Considering his serious injuries, the fact he was too conflicted to be a pure Sith, and that he wants to recruit Rey it's perfectly reasonable it ended in a draw
Can we please talk about how poorly the show is written rather than defending things that are NOT what the critics are upset with?
How about the complete and sudden change of mind of Mae, who at the end of last episode wanted to surrender to the jedi and now all of a sudden is once again seeking vengeance?
Because it isn’t poorly written. The writing isn’t amazing but it isn’t bad. You think it’s poorly written because you decided it was terrible before watching it and confirmation bias is just kicking in.
The wookiepedia thing is so crazy, how can you hate on someone updating an encyclopaedia with updated information.
Like sure u don’t like Disney so it’s not in “your canon” but that’s why we have the word “head-canon”. What is canon is defined, what u like to be canon is up to you.
But attacking someone for being objective on an objective encyclopaedia site is crazy
All that matters to me is that the show is written so poorly, it makes no sense and you cannot say it does, I will forget all the episodes 2 weeks after the show ends.
I stopped watching after episode 3. So tired of this.
Same.
This was episode 5, why are you still here then?
your loss, also im pretty sure you are in the wrong channel, gen TEch doesnt do ragebaiting or grifting
Can tell that you didnt actually watch the vid
@@SpottedHareshe’s just here to hate like all the other weirdos
@SpottedHares the writing/delivery is pretty stilted at certain times, but it's not the worst.. I do like how arrogant and vain the Jedi are portrayed. I also enjoyed how Darth Smiley wrecked everyone. It shows how Jedi have been trained in a dojo and taught how to fight in a controlled environment. Meanwhile Darth Smiley is throwing barstools and breaking beer bottles over Jedi heads.
EDIT: I mean, Qimir headbutted 2 lightsabers and shiskabob 2 Jedi
This is basically setting up a "there are other Sith sects out there other than the Rule of Two" plot line. They also want to wash said sect of having anything to do with either existing Jedi or Sith, so thus the need to kill everyone who knows about the sect, to preserve the events of the original material while introducing them.
Also a lazy way to cover up why we've never heard of them, and probably have them return for future projects in Rey's and Ahsoka's timeline. Wouldn't be surprised if this is the setup for extra-galactic hijinks involving the origins of the pet project Dathomir witches coming from another galaxy/replacing the Vong.
It doesn't sound very interesting, if I'm being honest. Palpatine had the Emperor's Hand created to deal with such 'rivalry' threats in the galaxy. That pretty much solves the whole "There could be others" issue.
A story about the Hands would be more palatable, while also getting a chance to analyze how non-inducted members of the Jedi or Sith used or interpreted the Force. It would mix the intrigue of Andor, the journey of Mando, and the fights of the Prequels when a genuine threat emerged.