I really love the Lord’s Prayer. Unfortunately, in my church people have a bias against memorizing prayers due to Jesus’ condemnation of “vain repetition”, but this prayer that can be repeated an infinite amount of times and still remain meaningful. Thanks for giving your interpretation!
That is tragically unfortunate, as the key word is "vain". I hope you can help them see that Yahweh is a fan of meaningful repetition as demonstrated by how He often repeats Himself to drive His truth through our thick skulls and into our hard hearts, and encourages mediation on His Word (like a cow chewing its cud), and constantly basks in the eternal praise of angels that say the same thing over and over and over, "Holy, Holy, Holy, is the Lord God Almighty! The whole Earth is full of His Glory!"
Right after Jesus says this about vain words, he teaches the prayer, so... are we supposed to say the Lord's prayer only once in a lifetime otherwise it becomes vain?
Wow, I love the titles of the devil - the separator, the divider, the accuser. Because he wants to isolate us, to cut us off from God and others. Because others bring us together, closer to them and to God. I've heard of that in terms of a triangle with God at the top, with Me and Everyone else at the other points, so that it's impossible to get closer to God without getting closer to others. And so the devil wants to isolate and divide us. Simple, but I've never conceptualized it like that. Thanks!
I was just thinking, you can identify corrupt ideology by the effect it has on God's Kingdom. It is marked by ugliness, cynicism, and the will to divide us against each other. This is certainly true of Intersectionality and Marxism.
"And so the devil wants to isolate and divide us." I kind of agree with you but then what do you think about all the thousands of Orthodox Monasteries where monks isolate to focus on God?
@@cultoftranquility9616 That's a good point. I guess the main point I would argue is that in this context isolation has much less to do with the physical, and much more to do with emotional and spiritual. I can be physically far from someone and still feel God's love for them. I can also be in close proximity to someone, and have apathy towards them.
In romanian, "thy kingdom come" is "vie împărăția ta" - "thy empire come" and i believe this plays on the fact that the empire spans multiple languages and states and ethnicities, whilst the kingdom is usually one people and one language.
True. But under the wings of God are we not all one. For Jesus said the father dwells in me and I in him and him who dwells in me dwells in the father also
It would be nice to research more about the connotations of the word imperium (Latin for empire) maybe that’s the sense intended in the translation. Interesting to know that detail about Romanian, in Spanish we use reino (kingdom) and I think so is in Italian
@@jorgeandresortizrodriguez368 True it is the same in italian "regno", and in swedish aswell. In swedish it's "RIKE" compare to the german REICH or the english REIN. It's a word that can be put on the end of words to mean "domain." So kingdom is KungaRIKE. When speaking about say the animal kingdom you say djurRIKE.
The word empire means to command so I think it is more let Gods reign, rule come more than let his empire come. It is translated as reign, rule in most languages. Christ is a King. The king is apointed by God, an emperor is more associated with dominace by power or by voting. Compare kings were blessed by The Pope or a bishop. Napoleon took The crown and put It on himself.
Speaking different languages creates division , confusion, etc. the Tower of Babel comes to mind, I understand why kingdom fits better since we should speak one language in heaven, we have one king, one word .
I feel like you’re reading my mind everyday. I was laying in bed the other night running the Lord’s Prayer in my mind and realized that it literally tells us The story of creation. Me laying in bed picturing God painting ( art) on an easel (HIS ultimate mind’s eye) which IS in Heaven..... then I realized I was literally imaging God the same way in my own minds eye image and when I pray I am recreating creation over and over in His image in my image..... I can’t explain it now. But even the prayer, how it is said and what is said and even down to translation re-manifests creation and reaffirms God and such and such. Lol. Even the dang words can translate in the MODERN sense which solidifies the fact that God is real. Who else could’ve created such an amazing thing such as time that it is timeless????
You know, I like the idea you mention of the differing translations of the prayer itself being fractal, to use JPs words "The Kingdom of the cup". they each reveal something unique about the nature of creation when they are all pulled together. Even language itself, since language contributes to how you think, is this multiplicative reality where we are constantly finding more pieces to bring together to manifest the reality!
Eduardo Valentin-Morales Yes!!!! When I watch Mandelbrot zooms I see infinity and they always make me think of the cross and if time were to suddenly get sucked into a black hole or the gist of that it would be like the Mandelbrot into infinity. Amazing! Thank you for that very insightful comment.
I am a Roman Catholic who attends the TLM but the way you teach about the symbolism in Christianity is something that is needed in all of western civilization right now
You know you're being witness to something awesome not only when you learn something, which is awesome in itself, but when that something awakens or helps you give birth to knowledge you had in the to of your tongue, barely missing a name or a form to be intelligible. Edit: yes, like everybody else, thank you for that.
Yes. As Winston says in 1984, it's like when reading an amazing work and you are more remembering something, or articulating something you vaguely knew.
Learn After Effects or some similar software. I'm not quite there yet, still very a beginner in Illustrator, but that's the kind of tool you need to create what you're envisioning.
As a side note, when you speak about the fourth petition you say that some call the bread "transubstantial," probably because the connection between "bread" and "transubstantiation" was at the back of your head, but the right word is "supersubstantial," which is the word that Jerome used in Matthew to translate "epiousion" (a literal morphological translation of that word new to the Greek vocabulary) for the Vulgate. In Luke however he kept "quotidianum" ("daily") to translate the same word. He "kept" that word because that's how it had been known in Latin before (as in the Vetus Latina, ofr instance), and it is the one that the Roman Liturgy uses.
Very interesting video. I had often thought of the Lord's Prayer as the archetypal prayer. It incorporates everything that it is good to pray for and every good prayer is praying the Lord's Prayer or praying a more personally specific version of the Lord's Prayer. The progression of the prayer is important, reminding the prayer that the Kingdom comes first and that evil, while important, is subservient to everything else worth praying about.
Thanks for sharing, this is perfect! It's so important to have that relationship with the Lord, and the calling of the Holy Spirit, that we mustn't quench and cherish His rebuke. The hour is late, we must all draw near to Him as He alone can save. All scripture is profitable, helps you out in life. Stay safe, much love and infinite blessings always to you. Perilous times are now.
I can detect Jonathan's Platonism .... I like it. "Essence" of cup ... "cupness" ... be forgiving because cups in this world do not reflect true "cupness" but cups in this world only manifest certain (incomplete) aspects of cupness. This stuff resonates with me. The symbolic world rules!
If you liked this have you ever read The Golden Key by George MacDonald? That story is so deep it every time I reread it I get something new out of it.
Man, i just have to thank God for knowing you channel, what a incredible job you do on this platform, i met you channel yesterday and i'm already a fan. God bless you my friend, greetings from Brazil!!!
The sheep trails in the holy land, the winding narrow paths on the mountain that take flocks and Shepard's safely that David calls paths of righteousness make even more sense now! Your channel is everyday wisdom I didn't know I needed. Thanks for helping people expand our vision of sanctity.
21:40 “I think it’s very important to understand the manner in which reality functions as a fractal pattern. When we talk about how the glory of God is hidden in creation, that everything in the world manifests God, that’s not an arbitrary thing. It’s not an emotional thing. . . It’s an actual objective reality.”
Amen. Thanks Jonathan for providing the visual symbols and the whole pattern to imagine while praying. To see and recognize this pattern everywhere everytime must be pretty amazing, I saw it there when you smiled as you see it in the shape of a cup, you and your brother must be smiling like this alot :) hopefully, we can all see it one day.
I love a translation of the Lord’s Prayer in American Sign Language I’ve seen. It’s difficult to really capture its beauty without being able to show you but I’ll try to transliterate it to the best of my ability: “our Father who in heaven, your name is holy. Your Kingdom come-down (again really hard to translate but imagine a circle being taken from above and place below), your plan happen on earth in heaven same. Give us Jesus everyday, and forgive us our sins same as we forgive the people that oppose us. Lead us to temptation not but save us from evil. Amen.”
Thank you Jonathan, I do enjoy your insight. I am wondering if you have seen Edgar Cayce's interpretation of the Lord's Prayer. He said that Jesus gave us this prayer to remember how to meditate and raise our spiritual energies toward God.
Hi Jonathan, great video as always. I suggest you have a look at the mythological structure of the world of Bionicle. I'm very familiar with every element of the lore, and in each video of yours that I see, I recognize elements that are present in the structure of Bionicle. Perhaps it is therefore no surprise that it was one of the largest toy franchises and even comic book storylines in the early 2000s.
Very much have the picture of a seed being planted by a farmer (the father), getting mixed with water, germinating, then as it grows, it spreads its roots to gather the good stuff from the soil, so it can grow and reach towards heaven
For in the hand of the Lord there is a cup, And the wine is red; It is fully mixed, and He pours it out; Surely its dregs shall all the wicked of the earth Drain and drink down. What shall I render to the Lord For all His benefits toward me? I will take up the cup of salvation, And call upon the name of the Lord. I will pay my vows to the Lord Now in the presence of all His people.
I’ve been struggling with the Lord’s Prayer - naively I took it as a suggestion rather than it’s profound meaning - that’s silly to think anything Jesus gives us is a simple suggestion. Thank you ! I was missing the connection to the prayer and this understanding has definitely both elevated and reminded me of how intensely perfect the word of God is !
I like the way you conclude that the Lord's Prayer shows the "structure" and "manner in which God interacts with the world." Or how things work. Did you see the simple pattern of the prayer? Reduce it to three words.
Thank you for this. We take these things for granted and forget the power and meaning they have. Power and meaning that have allowed to last for more than a millennium.
Awesome! Ah it feels so good to start feeling like I can tell where you're going in these videos. There was definitely more confusion for me earlier on and before reading Matthieu's book.
"Thy Kingdom come..." - the Fathers say this is also the Spirit as He establishes and empowers the Kingdom as well as the seal of the faithful who together form the one Body.
Good video; thanks for sharing. Also, I don't think the cup analogy is blasphemous. The Psalmist in Ps. 23:5 seems to do the same when he says "My cup overflows".
It's crazy how people took this out of schools to find all kinds of unexpected wierdness pops up. Now they are racing to put it back, before it is too late.
As a pattern, you might also consider the Lord's Prayer as an outline of the Gospel (and the whole biblical message)-a bilateral agreement, if you will. It begins as you say with a description of who God is, what he wants for the world and what he wants for each of us. "Daily bread" as a transitional element takes on a dual meaning flowing from the seed of the ground into the manna from heaven and the next part of the prayer: forgiveness from God toward us and from us toward others in a mutual "laying down of the sword." With the need for justification put to rest we begin anew with the words, "Lead us." This is the desired response to Jesus' "follow me." And ours becomes a walk of grace through entrusting ourselves to him who judges justly (faith). Not as a stroll into temptation where the flesh and the sword of law would lead, but with a bond between two friends in a sure deliverance from the evil we really did want to avoid in the first place.
When you are talking about Cup - you are also talking about Theotokos and wife and the Church. Even words that you are using about it show it. "You don't want the cup to be destroyed, don't want cup to be stealed" but also "The cup that's hard to drink from because of it's deformed shape and holes in it", which is mentioned several times in Scripture. Both of this sides are included, as can be seen in Christ Pantocrator of Sinai, where you can see two sides of Christ's face showing His relationship towards creation and relationship in a marriage of which I fall short, God help us in that, as his mercy is truly nondual and frightful. Thank God for your work and thank you for doing this channel. When Christ gave me an opportunity to think in these terms, I've thought that I was deranged, but your channel and many things about Maxim the Confessor helped me to find that it wasn't true. The notion of sins of a right hand and sins of a left hand was a great relief as I was drowning in prescriptions and going insane because of my pride in trying to do everything exactly as it was written becoming a Scribe in many ways, which came out as a disaster several times. But with that, I want to point out that your work helped to articulate a horisontal ontological axis. I can't express how I am grateful for this channel. May God bless you in a times to come!
Great explanation! Also, wonder if he realises that the example he chose (a cup) is in itself a symbol of participation in the Kingdom. As a Christian symbologist, I'm guessing he probably DOES realise this 🙂
Would you say there is a connection between the transfiguration, specifically the icons that depict Christ at the peak of the mountain, and this symbolic mountain of the Lord's prayer?
"as we forgive those who trespass against us" I interpret this as, the individual is now in the role of God, allowing others the benefit of the doubt, just as we ask for the benefit of the doubt as we trespass, go off track, which is inevitable, as we ascend in darkness.
Aye, that seems true to me, and I like the ascend in darkness part :D It asks you to be your higher self, to be more like God, to be Christ like. Interestingly enough I think it's just practically true, too. If enough individuals become forgiving by nature, then the world becomes more forgiving by nature, and God's will literally be have been done.
Could the importance of bread be the reason why virtually All of our wheat is GMO?and the same for other cultures?like in china gmo rice is on the rise.were ingesting a genetically modified organism so it would make alot of sense why alot of people have "gluten allergies" all of a sudden
Minor comment... I just picked up on a typo in your description of the videos. You tell us the music is the “Russian Eastern Overture.” I love it so much but had never heard it so I looked it up. Turns out it’s EASTER Overture.
Cool. About the seed and water becoming bread, there is also a mysterious-living-active component from the air that makes the bread become bread. Yeast is other worldly ;)
Could it also be that the prayer organises your psyche, looking at it from a psychological/psychoanalytic perspective? As in, calling forth the higher self that is a part of your psychic structure and is at the same time the God-image within you, corresponding to God outside of you. And by calling forth that higher self within you, you ask it to keep you away from your Shadow/animal instincts/the devil.
Similar to Corbin's 'divine double'; that my true self isn't who I am today but who I could and aspire to be... Vervaeke expounds at the beginning of this lecture... czcams.com/video/kkykBqApP4A/video.html
All things must come together in the Kingdom of Heaven, but Jesus says he comes not to bring peace, but the sword. Mother against daughter, father against son, so on and so forth. This has been making me fearful of how I interact with others, should we be trying to make peace, or rejecting others more often? We are all sinful. I have been struggling with trying to balance God bringing all things together under Him, yet Jesus speaking of bringing this division between people. Anyone have any thoughts on this?
Great video, but the cup example and other things along with it give me an impression that I'm studying Platonism... is that really not something projected onto the Scripture later on?
Jonathan - didn’t the pre KJV have “debts” instead of “transgressions”? Some say there was an economic aspect to the prayer as debt binds us and therefore must be forgiven. Eg Jubilee years etc ..
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“Deliver us from evil”, deliver us from our lower nature, from the material attachments, from our failings, from that which makes us fall.
Been praying this since childhood and never knew this. Its like an entire theology behind one short prayer. Thanks Jonathan.
mega kudos to whoever opens Kingdom of the Cup coffee shop first
One Hierarchy Macchiato please
_would you like to manifest caramel sauce?_
no thanks
There is a movie named Knight of Cups. Enjoy ;)
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@@chrisc7265 lead me not into temptation, for his cupness' sake.
“If it be your will, please take this cup from me…”
I really love the Lord’s Prayer. Unfortunately, in my church people have a bias against memorizing prayers due to Jesus’ condemnation of “vain repetition”, but this prayer that can be repeated an infinite amount of times and still remain meaningful. Thanks for giving your interpretation!
That is tragically unfortunate, as the key word is "vain". I hope you can help them see that Yahweh is a fan of meaningful repetition as demonstrated by how He often repeats Himself to drive His truth through our thick skulls and into our hard hearts, and encourages mediation on His Word (like a cow chewing its cud), and constantly basks in the eternal praise of angels that say the same thing over and over and over, "Holy, Holy, Holy, is the Lord God Almighty! The whole Earth is full of His Glory!"
All you gotta to do is read the Bible: it's there in the same chapter (and Luke 12)!
@ACROSS yhwh (yud hey vav hey) means behold the hand behold the nail, it's an acknowledgement of Christ on the cross
Right after Jesus says this about vain words, he teaches the prayer, so... are we supposed to say the Lord's prayer only once in a lifetime otherwise it becomes vain?
@@lilyawood source?
Wow, I love the titles of the devil - the separator, the divider, the accuser. Because he wants to isolate us, to cut us off from God and others. Because others bring us together, closer to them and to God. I've heard of that in terms of a triangle with God at the top, with Me and Everyone else at the other points, so that it's impossible to get closer to God without getting closer to others. And so the devil wants to isolate and divide us. Simple, but I've never conceptualized it like that. Thanks!
I was just thinking, you can identify corrupt ideology by the effect it has on God's Kingdom. It is marked by ugliness, cynicism, and the will to divide us against each other. This is certainly true of Intersectionality and Marxism.
It also works at the individual level: sin(caused by the devil) divide the self, between his passions(lust, envy, hate...) and the soul
"And so the devil wants to isolate and divide us." I kind of agree with you but then what do you think about all the thousands of Orthodox Monasteries where monks isolate to focus on God?
@@cultoftranquility9616 That's a good point. I guess the main point I would argue is that in this context isolation has much less to do with the physical, and much more to do with emotional and spiritual. I can be physically far from someone and still feel God's love for them. I can also be in close proximity to someone, and have apathy towards them.
In romanian, "thy kingdom come" is "vie împărăția ta" - "thy empire come" and i believe this plays on the fact that the empire spans multiple languages and states and ethnicities, whilst the kingdom is usually one people and one language.
True. But under the wings of God are we not all one. For Jesus said the father dwells in me and I in him and him who dwells in me dwells in the father also
It would be nice to research more about the connotations of the word imperium (Latin for empire) maybe that’s the sense intended in the translation. Interesting to know that detail about Romanian, in Spanish we use reino (kingdom) and I think so is in Italian
@@jorgeandresortizrodriguez368 True it is the same in italian "regno", and in swedish aswell. In swedish it's "RIKE" compare to the german REICH or the english REIN. It's a word that can be put on the end of words to mean "domain." So kingdom is KungaRIKE. When speaking about say the animal kingdom you say djurRIKE.
The word empire means to command so I think it is more let Gods reign, rule come more than let his empire come. It is translated as reign, rule in most languages. Christ is a King. The king is apointed by God, an emperor is more associated with dominace by power or by voting. Compare kings were blessed by The Pope or a bishop. Napoleon took The crown and put It on himself.
Speaking different languages creates division , confusion, etc. the Tower of Babel comes to mind, I understand why kingdom fits better since we should speak one language in heaven, we have one king, one word .
Wow. I’ve started praying this every morning lately. It’s a powerful prayer.
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Try praying it 100 times during one prayer session once in a while.
I'm sure you will have some idea of how powerful it actually is.
same
Me too. I say it very slowly and try to give reverence to the words. It is an amazingly beautiful and powerful prayer.
I feel like you’re reading my mind everyday. I was laying in bed the other night running the Lord’s Prayer in my mind and realized that it literally tells us The story of creation.
Me laying in bed picturing God painting ( art) on an easel (HIS ultimate mind’s eye) which IS in Heaven..... then I realized I was literally imaging God the same way in my own minds eye image and when I pray I am recreating creation over and over in His image in my image.....
I can’t explain it now. But even the prayer, how it is said and what is said and even down to translation re-manifests creation and reaffirms God and such and such. Lol. Even the dang words can translate in the MODERN sense which solidifies the fact that God is real. Who else could’ve created such an amazing thing such as time that it is timeless????
Whit why use profanity tho?
Jason Roberts My apologies. You’re right. I was excited.
You know, I like the idea you mention of the differing translations of the prayer itself being fractal, to use JPs words "The Kingdom of the cup". they each reveal something unique about the nature of creation when they are all pulled together. Even language itself, since language contributes to how you think, is this multiplicative reality where we are constantly finding more pieces to bring together to manifest the reality!
Eduardo Valentin-Morales Yes!!!! When I watch Mandelbrot zooms I see infinity and they always make me think of the cross and if time were to suddenly get sucked into a black hole or the gist of that it would be like the Mandelbrot into infinity. Amazing! Thank you for that very insightful comment.
I am a Roman Catholic who attends the TLM but the way you teach about the symbolism in Christianity is something that is needed in all of western civilization right now
You know you're being witness to something awesome not only when you learn something, which is awesome in itself, but when that something awakens or helps you give birth to knowledge you had in the to of your tongue, barely missing a name or a form to be intelligible.
Edit: yes, like everybody else, thank you for that.
Yes. As Winston says in 1984, it's like when reading an amazing work and you are more remembering something, or articulating something you vaguely knew.
One day I'll make an animation out of all of the drawings you do with your hands to explain the movement of symbols
Learn After Effects or some similar software. I'm not quite there yet, still very a beginner in Illustrator, but that's the kind of tool you need to create what you're envisioning.
one day is today. and to day, and today, and today
Yes please!
Hey Sam hows that project coming?
uh haha not sure how i'd start.. i was basically saying 'Jonathan moves his hands a lot doesn't he'
When JP uses the example of the cup it reminds me of the Carl Jung quote “Modern man can't see God because he doesn't look low enough?"
Blessed be His kingdom now and forever.
Loved the insight about the bread
As a side note, when you speak about the fourth petition you say that some call the bread "transubstantial," probably because the connection between "bread" and "transubstantiation" was at the back of your head, but the right word is "supersubstantial," which is the word that Jerome used in Matthew to translate "epiousion" (a literal morphological translation of that word new to the Greek vocabulary) for the Vulgate. In Luke however he kept "quotidianum" ("daily") to translate the same word. He "kept" that word because that's how it had been known in Latin before (as in the Vetus Latina, ofr instance), and it is the one that the Roman Liturgy uses.
Very interesting video.
I had often thought of the Lord's Prayer as the archetypal prayer. It incorporates everything that it is good to pray for and every good prayer is praying the Lord's Prayer or praying a more personally specific version of the Lord's Prayer. The progression of the prayer is important, reminding the prayer that the Kingdom comes first and that evil, while important, is subservient to everything else worth praying about.
Wow. This is beautiful. I love how J. Pageau keeps pointing us to Christ and God's Lordship. What an amazing explanation!!! Merci bien, M Pageau.
Finally, Glory to God, its finally so close within my reach, understanding how this all makes sense. Thank you Jonathan.
Thank you Mr.Pageau!
This has been one of your best videos! More of these please!
Thanks for sharing, this is perfect! It's so important to have that relationship with the Lord, and the calling of the Holy Spirit, that we mustn't quench and cherish His rebuke. The hour is late, we must all draw near to Him as He alone can save. All scripture is profitable, helps you out in life. Stay safe, much love and infinite blessings always to you. Perilous times are now.
The savior of my culture, I am eternaly gratefull M. Pageau.
Love that I found your stuff brother! Late to the table but I’m hungry!!!
I can detect Jonathan's Platonism .... I like it. "Essence" of cup ... "cupness" ... be forgiving because cups in this world do not reflect true "cupness" but cups in this world only manifest certain (incomplete) aspects of cupness. This stuff resonates with me. The symbolic world rules!
If you liked this have you ever read The Golden Key by George MacDonald? That story is so deep it every time I reread it I get something new out of it.
@@ArcherWarhound No, I haven't read it. I'll look into it ... thank you for recommendation.
I can’t stop thinking about the chipped cup character in the “Beauty and the Beast” story, or even the “Once Upon a Time” series.
Man, i just have to thank God for knowing you channel, what a incredible job you do on this platform, i met you channel yesterday and i'm already a fan. God bless you my friend, greetings from Brazil!!!
May God continue to bless you Jonathan and bless us in and through your inspired teachings and protect you from all evil🙏
The sheep trails in the holy land, the winding narrow paths on the mountain that take flocks and Shepard's safely that David calls paths of righteousness make even more sense now! Your channel is everyday wisdom I didn't know I needed. Thanks for helping people expand our vision of sanctity.
Thank you for this wonderful explanation. Feeling the power of the prayer now .
21:40 “I think it’s very important to understand the manner in which reality functions as a fractal pattern. When we talk about how the glory of God is hidden in creation, that everything in the world manifests God, that’s not an arbitrary thing. It’s not an emotional thing. . . It’s an actual objective reality.”
Amen. Thanks Jonathan for providing the visual symbols and the whole pattern to imagine while praying. To see and recognize this pattern everywhere everytime must be pretty amazing, I saw it there when you smiled as you see it in the shape of a cup, you and your brother must be smiling like this alot :) hopefully, we can all see it one day.
This is the best explanation of what's happening you have shared yet. I get it, I see it everywere now even inside me. It's absolutely amazing
I love a translation of the Lord’s Prayer in American Sign Language I’ve seen. It’s difficult to really capture its beauty without being able to show you but I’ll try to transliterate it to the best of my ability: “our Father who in heaven, your name is holy. Your Kingdom come-down (again really hard to translate but imagine a circle being taken from above and place below), your plan happen on earth in heaven same. Give us Jesus everyday, and forgive us our sins same as we forgive the people that oppose us. Lead us to temptation not but save us from evil. Amen.”
I praise God for you, brother! May God lead and protect you!
I was ignorant to the meaning behind each of the verses.
Thank you I’ve been breaking this scripture down for my students the past 2 Sunday’s It’s wonderful to see the patterns ...very comforting :-)
Thank you Jonathan, I do enjoy your insight. I am wondering if you have seen Edgar Cayce's interpretation of the Lord's Prayer. He said that Jesus gave us this prayer to remember how to meditate and raise our spiritual energies toward God.
Really good talk. As an RC I appreciate your commentaries 🙂
Hi Jonathan, great video as always. I suggest you have a look at the mythological structure of the world of Bionicle. I'm very familiar with every element of the lore, and in each video of yours that I see, I recognize elements that are present in the structure of Bionicle. Perhaps it is therefore no surprise that it was one of the largest toy franchises and even comic book storylines in the early 2000s.
One time I encountered your twitter channel 2017 and today I was looking for something special about the Lord´s Prayer and hey, you again.
Very much have the picture of a seed being planted by a farmer (the father), getting mixed with water, germinating, then as it grows, it spreads its roots to gather the good stuff from the soil, so it can grow and reach towards heaven
Excelente explicación del "Padre Nuestro". Muchas gracias 🙏🏼
For in the hand of the Lord there is a cup,
And the wine is red;
It is fully mixed, and He pours it out;
Surely its dregs shall all the wicked of the earth
Drain and drink down.
What shall I render to the Lord
For all His benefits toward me?
I will take up the cup of salvation,
And call upon the name of the Lord.
I will pay my vows to the Lord
Now in the presence of all His people.
I’ve been struggling with the Lord’s Prayer - naively I took it as a suggestion rather than it’s profound meaning - that’s silly to think anything Jesus gives us is a simple suggestion. Thank you ! I was missing the connection to the prayer and this understanding has definitely both elevated and reminded me of how intensely perfect the word of God is !
I like the way you conclude that the Lord's Prayer shows the "structure" and "manner in which God interacts with the world." Or how things work.
Did you see the simple pattern of the prayer? Reduce it to three words.
Tesla said that whole meaning of life is summarized in Lords prayer.
We always called this the model prayer, and the lords prayer was in the garden of Gethsemane.
Thank you for sharing your knowledge 🙂
Thank you for this. We take these things for granted and forget the power and meaning they have. Power and meaning that have allowed to last for more than a millennium.
Awesome! Ah it feels so good to start feeling like I can tell where you're going in these videos. There was definitely more confusion for me earlier on and before reading Matthieu's book.
"Thy Kingdom come..." - the Fathers say this is also the Spirit as He establishes and empowers the Kingdom as well as the seal of the faithful who together form the one Body.
Thank you...appreciate your efforts. ..Love Him for He loves us
Good video; thanks for sharing. Also, I don't think the cup analogy is blasphemous. The Psalmist in Ps. 23:5 seems to do the same when he says "My cup overflows".
This is very interesting! Thank you for sharing your knowledge with us.
It's crazy how people took this out of schools to find all kinds of unexpected wierdness pops up.
Now they are racing to put it back, before it is too late.
As a pattern, you might also consider the Lord's Prayer as an outline of the Gospel (and the whole biblical message)-a bilateral agreement, if you will.
It begins as you say with a description of who God is, what he wants for the world and what he wants for each of us. "Daily bread" as a transitional element takes on a dual meaning flowing from the seed of the ground into the manna from heaven and the next part of the prayer: forgiveness from God toward us and from us toward others in a mutual "laying down of the sword."
With the need for justification put to rest we begin anew with the words, "Lead us." This is the desired response to Jesus' "follow me." And ours becomes a walk of grace through entrusting ourselves to him who judges justly (faith). Not as a stroll into temptation where the flesh and the sword of law would lead, but with a bond between two friends in a sure deliverance from the evil we really did want to avoid in the first place.
I really appreciate how the beginning of this out of context feels schizophrenic and unhinged
Great talk. Thank you
When you are talking about Cup - you are also talking about Theotokos and wife and the Church. Even words that you are using about it show it. "You don't want the cup to be destroyed, don't want cup to be stealed" but also "The cup that's hard to drink from because of it's deformed shape and holes in it", which is mentioned several times in Scripture. Both of this sides are included, as can be seen in Christ Pantocrator of Sinai, where you can see two sides of Christ's face showing His relationship towards creation and relationship in a marriage of which I fall short, God help us in that, as his mercy is truly nondual and frightful.
Thank God for your work and thank you for doing this channel. When Christ gave me an opportunity to think in these terms, I've thought that I was deranged, but your channel and many things about Maxim the Confessor helped me to find that it wasn't true. The notion of sins of a right hand and sins of a left hand was a great relief as I was drowning in prescriptions and going insane because of my pride in trying to do everything exactly as it was written becoming a Scribe in many ways, which came out as a disaster several times.
But with that, I want to point out that your work helped to articulate a horisontal ontological axis. I can't express how I am grateful for this channel. May God bless you in a times to come!
Great explanation! Also, wonder if he realises that the example he chose (a cup) is in itself a symbol of participation in the Kingdom. As a Christian symbologist, I'm guessing he probably DOES realise this 🙂
Whenever he says "Kingdom of the Cup", I'm imagining the image of the Holy Grail in the sky from Monty Python and the Holy Grail
One of your best videos! Thanks!
Would you say there is a connection between the transfiguration, specifically the icons that depict Christ at the peak of the mountain, and this symbolic mountain of the Lord's prayer?
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Thy Kingdom cup, thy will be cup
Thy kingdom cup
Thy will be cup
Thank you for this message!
I've said the Lord's Prayer every day for 13 years now.
“Forget those who are indebted to us”, could also mean to let go of base desires and strange ambitions.
Epiousios artos > panis supersubstantialis (in the Vulgate)
Thanks for a great, enlightening video!
What a wonderful teaching! So helpful. I needed that today. Some bread.😉
The closer I get to the goal, the more I see the light in everyone.
"as we forgive those who trespass against us"
I interpret this as, the individual is now in the role of God, allowing others the benefit of the doubt,
just as we ask for the benefit of the doubt as we trespass, go off track, which is inevitable, as we ascend in darkness.
Aye, that seems true to me, and I like the ascend in darkness part :D
It asks you to be your higher self, to be more like God, to be Christ like.
Interestingly enough I think it's just practically true, too. If enough individuals become forgiving by nature, then the world becomes more forgiving by nature, and God's will literally be have been done.
Could the importance of bread be the reason why virtually All of our wheat is GMO?and the same for other cultures?like in china gmo rice is on the rise.were ingesting a genetically modified organism so it would make alot of sense why alot of people have "gluten allergies" all of a sudden
All symbolism tells us the same thing. The Kingdom of God is Within You!!
Thank you.
Thanks man. Keep preaching
Minor comment... I just picked up on a typo in your description of the videos.
You tell us the music is the “Russian Eastern Overture.” I love it so much but had never heard it so I looked it up. Turns out it’s EASTER Overture.
The cupness of the cup can be only provided in words. One argument more for the "in the beginning was the Word".
Dear God, Help The World, Protect us All. Amen.
So our trespasses are our imperfections. Our errors.
Cool. About the seed and water becoming bread, there is also a mysterious-living-active component from the air that makes the bread become bread. Yeast is other worldly ;)
Paul Adamson Breath of life. Holy Spirit. It is amazing!
jay Which is a perfect example of why God is the bread of true eternal life !!!
Wonderfull explained🙏👌🙏
Could it also be that the prayer organises your psyche, looking at it from a psychological/psychoanalytic perspective? As in, calling forth the higher self that is a part of your psychic structure and is at the same time the God-image within you, corresponding to God outside of you. And by calling forth that higher self within you, you ask it to keep you away from your Shadow/animal instincts/the devil.
Similar to Corbin's 'divine double'; that my true self isn't who I am today but who I could and aspire to be...
Vervaeke expounds at the beginning of this lecture...
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@JonathanPageau how could the cup be sacreligious when Jesus used it to describe us? :)
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So good, my man.
This guy's got skillz. af.
Beautiful!
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All things must come together in the Kingdom of Heaven, but Jesus says he comes not to bring peace, but the sword. Mother against daughter, father against son, so on and so forth. This has been making me fearful of how I interact with others, should we be trying to make peace, or rejecting others more often? We are all sinful. I have been struggling with trying to balance God bringing all things together under Him, yet Jesus speaking of bringing this division between people. Anyone have any thoughts on this?
Read the lives of the saints.
I love how much you had to justify using the cup example for Lisa.
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Great video, but the cup example and other things along with it give me an impression that I'm studying Platonism... is that really not something projected onto the Scripture later on?
Check out the writings of St. Justin Martyr.
"There is no pure cup in the world" except...for the original cup that comes down to earth?
Great job!
Vertical and horizontal, that makes a cross. ✝️
How does forgiveness of trespass fit with justice.
Jonathan - didn’t the pre KJV have “debts” instead of “transgressions”? Some say there was an economic aspect to the prayer as debt binds us and therefore must be forgiven. Eg Jubilee years etc ..
The KJV reads debts.
Replace the word "cup" with "grail" and we've reached the peak of symbolism
That's it. The bread and the cup.