Frank Wilczek - Is God the Cause of a Fine-Tuned Universe?
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- Our universe is astounding in that the laws of physics have to be perfect beyond belief for stars and planets, and for human beings, to even exist. Does this demonstrate, if not prove, an intelligence behind the universe, who many call God? There are other, naturalistic explanations. Can we compare natural and supernatural reasons?
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Theoretical multi-verses are just that, theoretical.
We don’t know what we don’t know. The top quark might be a very important part to life itself, we don’t know what we don’t know.
In science, “I don’t know.” is a perfectly good answer.
Well. The apperance of knowing it all (and being a winner) is often more important than truth. People are even willing to lie to themselves to keep the ''knowing it all'' thing going. In the real world there is stuff like ''i do not know'' ''we do not know what we do not know'' ''the unknown unknowns''.
But we do know.
All thermodynamics systems .... originate from ... the SURROUNDING System(s). The Universe is an isolated thermodynamic system with increasing entropy.
See. We do know the origin of the Universe ... and the Two systems model of existence.
But Human Beings .. have free will ... to think, believe, say & do whatever they want with what we know.
We know ... that only an intelligence ... makes abstract & physical FUNCTIONS.
A function ... processes inputs into outputs ... has set purpose, properties, form & design ... and requires specific matter, energy, space, time and LAWS of Nature to exist & to function.
We know ... that rules & Laws .... & .... mathematics & the scientific method ... are abstract Functions from the Mind of an intelligence.
We know that machines are a physical function composed entirely of functions is made by an intelligence.
We know that the Human Body ... is a physical Function, composed entirely of Functions.
We always compare the Human Body to machines.
We know only an intelligence makes things ... with clear purpose, properties, form, design & Functions.
And we know that the Sciences complete rely on ... Laws .... of Nature for Man( an intelligence) to explain Natural phenomena of a Universe where everything has clear purpose, properties, form, design & Function.
A natural phenomena ... is simply a natural process or .... FUNCTION.
We have always known, but have free will to believe what we want.
if our universe is not eternal and if there are billions of galaxies i don't see any reason why couldn't there be billions of universes
@@ShowMeYoBoob How does billions of galaxies mean there can be billions of finite Universes with billions of galaxies? This is pure nonsense ... of devout followers of fake science.
Nature & natural processes over any period of time ... will never ever make, maintain, & refine ... an abstract or physical FUNCTION.
Everything in the Universe is an abstract ( time, space, Laws of Nature) or physical ( matter, energy) Function.
Man has known for thousands of years that only an intelligence ( like Man) ... makes rules & Laws and anything that has clear purpose, form, design & is a FUNCTION.
Science ( a function) relies completely on the Laws of nature ( functions) for Man ( a function) to explain natural phenomena (functions).
The facts & the sciences clearly prove ... the Universe & life .. have an UNNATURAL origin by a very powerful intelligence.
But Man is an intelligence with free will ... to think, believe, say & do whatever he wants with the facts & sciences.
All thermodynamic Systems ... originate from the SURROUNDING System(s) which must provide the matter, energy, space, time & Laws of Nature for the thermodynamic System.
The Universe is an isolate thermodynamic system with INCREASING entropy ... so it can only be finite. And the Universe is a Natural System ... that originates form & is expanding in ... an UNNATURAL System which must provide the matter, energy, space, time, & Laws of Nature.
Not one of the popular theories of the origin of the Universe ..... has the simple "Two systems" model with the Universe being made in an Unnatural System. Because you nature freaks know that the 2 systems model supports an UNNATURAL origin of the Universe.
Again. There is only two realities or existences:
1. Physical -- where matter & energy must obey the Laws of Nature
2. Non-physical -- the real of the MIND of an intelligence.
Only an intelligence ( like Man) ... makes, maintains, & refines ... abstract & physical functions.
A 13.7 billion year old Universe, abiogenesis & the evolution of life from a common ancestor is fake science ... and complete nonsense.
You numbnuts know for a fact ... that nature & natural processes can never make & operate a simple mechanical machine. And you know that the three types of physical machines are mehcanical, electrical & molecular ( LIFE ). But you all say Machine Analogies are fake science and biological life is not like mechanical or electrical machines, and insist that Nature & natural process did make Life ... and ... and evolved Life to the speies we have today. Without a shred of evidence ... you claim evolution if a fact of science and likewise abiogenesis and a 13.7 billion year old Universe. smh.
A Machine is simply a physical FUNCTION composed entirely of Functions.
Life are physical Functions composed entirely of Functions.
The Laws of Nature are abstract Functions.
Natural phenomena are physical functions.
Time & space are abstract Functions
Matter & energy are physical Functions.
The Theory of Universal Functions ... is the scientific explanation for Sir Issac Newton's Watchmaker analogy made over 300 years ago ... where he said the Universe ( & Life) are like a Watch ... with precisely made & assembled parts ... and requires a Watchmaker ... to exist & to work.
A watch is a physical function.
The parts of a watch are physical functions
The body of the watchmaker is a physical function composed for Functions.
And the Watchmaker ... is an intelligence ... with free will ... to think, believe, say & do as He/she wants ... and is the only entity that can make, maintain, refine abstract & physical FUNCTIONS.
The facts & sciences clearly support an UNNATURAL origin of the Universe & Life by a very powerful intelligence.
Man has free will ... to believe what he wants about the facts, sciences ... politics, arts, commerce, .... or.... religion.
Religion is a natural phenomena where Man will always believe in a supernatural existence & maker of the Universe. Only an intelligence makes Functions.
There are those who say that if we ever come up with a final explanation for the universe, it would explode and be replaced by something even more mysterious. Then there are those who say this has already happened - Douglas Adams -
I think Douglas Adams was alluding to or thinking about Godel's incompleteness theorem.
I read all of D. Adams books back in the '80s. If I was laughing on the subway, I may well have been reading one of them :)
There are also those who realise that we are currently in the middle of the explosion..
spaceandmotion
What utter fabricated nonsense..
If you can't stick to the facts, don't bother commenting.
“The lady doth protest too much, methinks!”
🤔But he doesn't even talk about the cause of a Fine-Tuned Universe or even a God...🤔
It seems he refers to one of the causes of the fine tuned universe as the Anthropic principle. That is, if it was not fine tuned, we wouldn’t exist to perceive it. He doesn’t talk about the role of God in that tuning however. Maybe it’s ourselves that perceive this universe as fine tuned haha.
He doesn’t talk about god because inserting magic into the equation does not answer anything.
Exactly! Not strictly honest but with good intentions. (..."the hyperbolic naivete of man..." {Nietzsche}).
The whole premise is false.
>99% of the universe is hostile to life.
This is like asking why a desinfectant chemical is fine-tuned for life as 0.1% of the bacteria survive in it.
@@user-ut2mk6fm4y . Bad analogy
I like this channel. Guests that he brings actually never answer to any of the questions because there are no answers to these questions. But this is a nice conversation and nice to listen.
Saying the universe is fine tuned is a huge stretch to me too. It may be fine tuned, or it may be a result of a simple formula. Such as the Mandelbrot set, a simple formula that creates endless possibility and novelty. A simple formula that created the complexity. The fine tune is imbedded in the formula, the formula is the key to all of this
I think the universe may be fine tuned in kinda the same way a thermostat works, a self interacting cybernetic system resembling something like a Markov chain. The fine tuning may not even be completely stable but oscillating in time across a balance point or value that in itself may also change according to the "laws" of chaos theory.
Yes, I have a bone to pick with whoever coined the term 'Fine tuned'. It implies a 'tuner'. It may be that, in a multiverse scenario, our universe is a 'Goldilocks zone', akin to the orbit of Earth around Sol; but I imagine some would say the Earth was deliberately placed at this orbital distance so that we can be here to discuss it.
Everything I do, I do it for you.
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Misconceptions about the nature and practice of science abound, and are sometimes even held by otherwise respectable practicing scientists themselves. One of the most common misconceptions concerns the so-called “scientific proofs.” Contrary to popular belief, there is no such thing as a scientific proof.
by Satoshi Kanazawa - an evolutionary psychologist at LSE
The Scientific Fundamentalist
Strictly speaking you are quite right friend.. More precisely stated for the layman, exchange the word PROOF for scientific EVIDENCE... In the field of mathematics however, the usage of the term proof, is somewhat different expressing logical CONCLUSIONS such as two bananas Plus three more bananas equals five bananas.. the PROOF of this statement can be derived from merely counting them and passing them out to five people.. Seems logical enough, no..? Peace..
It should be noted that Psychology is not a science.
Physics is done by observation and review. That is validation and not verification (proof).
However, proof here is meant simply as a very strong form of validation, validated by a lot of observations and reviews up until strong statistical relevance.
Don't get this wrong. That is still by far better than anything that we would call "not scienfic proof" and it can't get better than that.
Every law and constant may change tomorrow and we can't disproof that with absolute certainty.
The meaning of life is not 42 after all, it is more likely 137.
137, you say? That's odd.
"there's a difference between a religious spirit, or having a personal relationship with god,
some people say you have to go to church, if you want to believe in god,
however it's not true, because you don't need to go to address location, just to be friends with god."
The fact that you use lower case g for God is confusing. I'm guessing you are not Catholic since we believe God is present in the Eucharist, (which is kept in the church) most protestants do not. So I can see why you would not want to go to Church. We don't go to church to believe in God, we go because we already do believe. Be careful of "spirituality" since most forms are deceptions to keep you from the true God
@@Chungustav i used lower case for all letters in my comment, don't read into to it too much, it's just because i wrote a comment fast,
but the bible says, let them who cannot find the footsteps of the shepherd, follow the footsteps of the sheeps, because the sheeps follow their shepherd,
again i do not believe you have to go to a address location just to be a friend of god,
also when you have a personal relationship with god, you shouldn't let nobody come between you and god, because otherwise you'll have people come up to you saying, you're no child of god because of some type of judgement people want to pass on you, without even knowing you at all whatsoever.
@@Chungustav i am not a scientist, but i am like a scientist, because i am on a search for the truth, at age 11 i was already learning about protons and neutrons are combined nucleons etcetera,
i told myself one day because i had so many problems, why don't i go look for god, and if god is real i will find him, but if god is fake i will find that out, but don't believe in god, just because my parents raised me this way,
and don't be like a false scientist, who first says there can be no god, and than does research afterwards, but instead do the research first, and then draw conclusions last,
because i want the objective truth, no matter what perspective you have, it is what it is,
so i went to go study quran with islamic friends, i studied buddhism, hari krishna, jehovah witnesses etcetera,
but i couldn't find god anywhere, and i often got into arguments with them, when i asked the difficult questions,
therefore i decided to go look for god by myself, and that is when god spoke to me, with a (audible) voice.
Reminder, all those Wilczek interviews are here because he just won the 2022 Templeton prize. ---Frank Wilczek, a Nobel Prize-winning theoretical physicist and author, has been announced as the recipient of the 2022 Templeton Prize. The annual award honors those “who harness the power of the sciences to explore the deepest questions of the universe and humankind’s place and purpose within it,” ---
Frank is my favourite guest.
Awesome
as a theist i'm so amazed by the fact that people we call prophets weren't just talking non sense about the idea of other universes . according to my religion which is Islam the Quran says ( for, verily, those who are bent on denying the truth of Our signs We shall, in time, cause to endure fire: [and] every time their skins are burnt off, We shall replace them with new skins, so that they may taste suffering [in full] Verily, God is almighty, wise) so living in hell without being dead is not an absurd idea according to the multiverse theory which i think is true especially with the latest evidence of the unexpected measurement of W boson mass
Life is much more peaceful without believing in hell, you know.
@@honingbijtje83 yeah Life is much more peaceful knowing that Adolf Hitler will get away with his crimes against Jews , it would even be more peaceful without having jails where every criminal can do whatever he wants , right ? it's fascinating when we agree that life can't function without jails but we refuse to apply the same concept to life after death
By the time passes, most of the unknown comes to the lights!
I think this is my favourite of the countless CTT videos I have watched.
It's almost 5:30 am. I need to get up and watch the display of Venus, Jupiter and Mars, out my kitchen door. This talk will have to wait. The real thing is so thrilling to see.
I think God has either a clever scientific mind or has brilliant scientific minds on which to draw. Then created this and perhaps other universes with the intention of allowing conscious free willed minds to develop on billions of planets. This fine tuned universe is for me proof of such a higher intelligence creator.
Your imaginary friend is the smarter scientist ever be. Mine is just a bum with whom I take a beer on Fridays
if god has intelligence which is the ability of the natural brain then that makes him no longer a god but a part of nature, and then it becomes necessary to ask, who was the creator of god?
With what is going in the world God is not clever to create such existence.
Metaphysics 101
Transforming frowns into smiles is smarter than turning lead into gold. And transforming heaven (peace) into hell (war) is more ignorant (dead) than turning gold into lead.
Fine Tuning
We chip away our darkness and negative spaces (greed) so that a positive image of good (god) emerges.
We gods (good) then use the magic of our love to transform frowns into smiles like magicians turn lead into gold and Jesus turns water into wine.
I got a fish named Fred.
so because i so the name jesus can u answer this question that nobody can? it goes like this: where did god find the sperm and how did he put it in the virgin mary?
It's a conceit to pre-suppose that the "fine-tuning" of the Universe is somehow limited to things necessary for our existence (and can therefore be explained away by the anthropic principle and multi-verse theory). The "ignorance" category in this taxonomy must also include such little matters as (1) the Sun-Moon-Earth relationship (e.g., Moon 27.322% the size of Earth and takes 27.322 days to orbit the Earth, and its inverse, that the Earth is 366% the size of the Moon and takes 366 days to orbit the Sun [not to mention the phenomenon of total solar eclipses, fine-tuned to roughly three additional "digits of agreement" around the strangely rounded-off number, 400] , (2) that this relationship stems-from [or simply IS also] the solution to the ancient "Square the Circle" geometrical problem, and (3) which is also embedded in the dimensions of both Stonehenge and the Great Pyramid of Giza. So, no, this kind of aesthetic, experiential, or informational "fine-tuning" cannot be explained away by the theoretical existence of multi-verses.
What's this I read about life being an emergent phenomenon of a quantum reality?
Why propose such a question in the title if it isn't discussed in the video
I think existence has to be the way it is in order to be, being is being or else it's nothingness. So the fine tuning argument can go either way. I think there are better arguments for God.
In any complex, self-sustaining dynamical system, one will have constants that are on a razor edge. One should not succumb to the temptation that a deity design the system a specific way for some purpose.
by the way: the owner of the idea of multiverse is that alien in that alien interview video which goes back to 60's. that video is genuine, some of them recognised that, or someone told them that, they didn't adopt the idea because of .....!
it is very likely that there are multiverses, but that doesn't help mankind in anyway! just thinking of that still too early, they get used to run forward to the outer space where no one can prove or disprove their silly imaginations.
SELF IS fine-tuned for LOVE.
I think the concept of god here became one of the silent dudes in the corner. I really liked how Wilczek disliked the god substitutes like say, the multiverse, because after all, it's impossible, least at the moment, to sustain a theory by testing. On the other hand, there has been a continuum of great discoveries in particle theory, quantum mechanics and such, with the backbone of mathematics that holds his attention quite well. That is the main thing. I do love the concepts like the Metaverse, and I love hearing them discussed by intelligent and educated people. But I consider it to be at the moment in one rigid sense, Metaphysics. Not that we do not need this kind of thinking. Nothing wrong with critical thinking even if some deem it speculation.
The trouble with using the term " the universe" is that it , like all universals it is a" Blurb", an unfocused and unfocus_*able* word/idea/image that has no corresponding experience, which is to say that it is imaginary(has no corresponding direct immediate personal experience), and is thus is no more than a vague generalisation that simply *cannot be defined save in terms of other* vague indefinable generalisations/universals and/or circular definitions-it simply cannot* be defined without resort to cognates and synonyms which are themselves indefinable/unfocusable as being no more than vague generalisations.
There is simply No* way out of that -There is no move that can be made that does not lead to checkmate or a stalemate, so the moral of the tale is: -*-Don't-*- use Blurbs- words/images/ideas that simply*cannot be defined, focused or particularised, because they were Never* focused or defined in the first place.
If anyone has a solution to that that does*not* lead to either checkmate or a stalemate, I would be most interested to discover what that solution is , for whoever can do that has a remarkable intelligence, astonishing semantic epistemological and ontological skills, thus I anticipate *no* solutions or anyone that defining the undefinable*Without* resort to cognates and synonyms that are themselves undefinable and no more than vague generalisations. It simply *cannot* be done, and is thus a conceptual impossibility, but if you suppose yourself to be up to it, give it your best shot, although you cannot come up with a solution that cannot be dismissed or shot down as circular or involving psychological algebra or cognates and synonyms that are *themselves* no more than Blurbs- unfocused and unfocusable words/images/ideas, and/or double negatives.
If there is such an intelligence I would bow down before Him, for whoever can solve that puzzle , would almost certainly be a being of the active sex because beings of the passive sex are almost certainly not up to the job but if there is such a being of either sex, I would be astonished, but *Remember the rules*: *No* circular definitions, No universals and no* psychological algebra, and *No* double negatives.
What Intellectual Honesty is possible when you start form the View that there IS a god?
I'm happy for people to take that view. I just wish it didn't make them so angry.
Douglas Adams suggested that a puddle suddenly gaining consciousness would be amazed at how perfectly the pothole had been fine-tuned to fit him perfectly. There is no alternative universe to compare. It is what it is and we are a result.
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Well, no. Not really.
@@con.troller4183 de gustibus non disputandum est. I'm agnostic, i LOVE this splendid channel
@@kuroryudairyu4567 There is a difference between declaring your love for a thing and claiming it to be the best thing ever.
The former is a matter of _taste,_ the latter a matter of facts.
@@con.troller4183 i did not think it would require explanations cause it was obviously intended as "for me"
@@kuroryudairyu4567 Oh. OK.
I presumed that since you posted it on the world wide web, it was for everyone.
My bad.
9:00 yeah that is correct, related to that video, that means that video leaked before it reaches the media.
this attitude makes a lot of sense, even from the root of Spinozism
We are not just a sea faring people or a star faring race, but a multiverse faring family of caring beings!
It's more likely that the physical universe is the limited mundane something that come out of unlimited supernatural nothing and any "fine tuning" results from the fact that something (people animals etc) need an underlying blueprint
"limited mundane something." Haha I like it and personally arrived at the same conclusion but doubt I could of put it so well.
Saying that the universe is fine-tuned seems a huge stretch to me. The cosmological numbers had to be something and we have no comparisons. We're here because we can be here. But to say it is fine-tuned is very premature and also is a loaded term as it implies a fine-tuner of some sort, which also is on very shaky ground.
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@Jay Rodriguez Well, if man was able to be disobedient, and humans are a creation of god. Then god never did create anything perfect now, did he? Seems like he fucked up from the get go.
@Jay Rodriguez If he gave us free will, and there was an option to do evil, then he did not create a perfect world. He fucked up from the beginning.
@Jay Rodriguez so just jibberish then?
@Jay Rodriguez God is created in the image of man. Given voice by man and will by man.
I was not at first impressed at the beginning of this discussion but I got captured when he began talking about "temptation." His modesty gives evidence of a pure science minded person. However, I think that the "temptation" should not be viewed às an impediment to the growth of knowledge and enlightenment but rather it could be a whole new way to broaden our understanding, a new level.
I'm going to be redundant again. When I experienced the same event twice. It wasn't a dream, or acid trip, or deja vu. Now again I will be clear. This is not the only string of time.
Do you really think that the universe developed for billions of years to yeild your smart brains and then grew weary that it gave up delivering the flag to you just to find a way to survive. Man's pride has no limits 😖
Why are they speaking in terms of a kind of local finite Universe, thereby lending the discussion toward the multiverse concept. The reality is however that this Universe is infinite as far as we can imagine, and by extension because of it's structure it has infinite possibilities of not only life, but what we call intelligent life.
The fifth force may throw the much needed laser light on reaching GUT. Fine tuning achieved after billions of years , may be further fine tuned , after the passage of another billion. Science and specially Theoretical physics have been with us for barely 200 years, in earnestness. Excellent video. A pleasure viewing a NL 's wandering mind!!
Some individuals done enough to come to the lights by now!
He seemed a bit mesmerized??i know ill watch it again?. it was quite funny robert i have to admit.. for some reason that just reminded me I was going for a walk the other day and all of a sudden I knew exactly why I was nine years old and I laughed at my brother's wife's funeral and I couldn't control it but now I know why
Faith is trusting in God especially in bad situations. That’s exactly what I’m doing. I’m still struggling to provide for my two autistic children since losing my job over declining the vaccine. I declined due to my pre existing health condition (Lupus) and Heart disease. I was denied my medical/religious exemption from Forsyth Hospital. My husband passed away three years ago, so I’m all alone. Both of my sons are non verbal so things are more difficult for me. Every month I don’t know how we are going to make it through. Every month is a struggle, a battle to not end up on the streets.
I’m so embarrassed by my situation. I’ve been put down and mocked over my circumstances. It’s hard to hold my head up at times BUT because of my faith God shows up every month and provides. Even as I face homelessness with two young children. I know that God will provide. He won’t leave me. Thank you Jesus.
I hope things will get better. Keep us informed !!
Hope yer catch that break 🙏
@@francesco5581
_" Keep us informed!!"_
LOL.... that nut spams that same thing EVEYWHERE!
In case you want to give her money, she lists her cash app accounts for your convenience.
@@twitherspoon8954 ahh ok ..good , better that way then :P
God bless you
The multi-verse is a mathematical probability tunnel, like a curve in 4D, and we are riding the wave of probability. As the waveform collapses, that is where we are. There are multiple futures and pasts, but THIS ONE is the one that took shape, the others are only prior or future POSIBILITIES. As the waveform collapses, at the plank level, constantly falling from one instant to the next, in a cascading effect, it is inevitable that A FUTURE will manifest. Much like a photon perpetuates through empty space. As long as it is not absorbed, bent or reflected, it will continue in it's current trajectory forever. An electric current through space creates a moving magnetic field, a moving magnetic field creates an electric current through space. An electric current through space creates a moving magnetic field, etc., this is the PHOTON. It is self perpetuating, and will not stop until either the magnetic field is absorbed or reflected or the electric current is absorbed or reflected. At the Plank level, each action is so tiny as to seem inconsequential, but over time, any alteration if a comparison could be made would be perceptible, and eventually will affect ALL of reality.
I see the cosmos as a repeating cycle, so long that it is incomprehensible, but I will try. The Big Bang started with a Singularity of Heat, the amount of which is what made the entirety of the cosmos. As the Heat was released (explained later) it began to cool against the absolute non-heat of space. As the heat lowered, it also expanded, and as it expanded, more came into contact with space, (it is expanding) and it cooled even more, eventually enough cooling occurred that subatomic particles began to take shape, through massive forces of the movement of the heat to cold. Everything was still very compact, and any motion forced (pun intended) any subatomic particles that formed to instantly strike either a similar or an opposite construct (mater/anti-mater) which caused annihilation of both, causing more forces, heat, photons, photons with no where to go, striking other photons, leading to Hydrogen and Helium (VERY SIMPLIFIED) The annihilation of mater/anti-mater consumed 98% of all there was, and FORCED everything to begin spreading apart in all directions, with no resistance to the movement of all through space, there is no slowing down. And with the expansion of the universe, it can SEEM as if the edges are moving faster than they are. Eventually stars formed, exploded, formed, exploded, etc. all the while still rushing away from the Big Bang. Eventually all the galaxies will spread away from each other, and all the fuel will be used in all the stars, but everything will still be spreading away, and leading the charge are photons from the initial Big Bang. But, we KNOW that even light will bend in the presence of heavy gravity. And we know that black holes will continue to consume any mater that gets near them, compacting that matter first into plasma, and then into neutronium and beyond. As black holes consume the stars, their reach is infinite, never ending and as small black holes combine, into bigger and bigger black holes, eventually collecting all the matter in their local area, all into a single black hole, and as all that gravity is drawn together, even the furthest photons will be pulled ever so slightly away from STRAIGHT, and CURVE. For quintillions of years those photons are drawn into a curve, a curve with enough time that will become a unimaginable spiral. Hexillions of EONS pass, and the photons are drawn, inexorably into the black holes. Eventually the only things left are TWO supermassive black holes, each having consumed every photon and particle of mater in their vicinities, and their gravity. Their gravity reaches out in ALL directions, and even if as they formed, they were speeding directly away from each other, once all matter and every photon is absorbed, the only force left acting ANYWHERE and EVERYWHERE is GRAVITY, and that means the two black holes, no matter their speeds, and mass, will be attracted to each other. THEY WILL draw each other together with NOTHING in between to slow them down. Relativisticly their individual speeds are just below C. But taken that they are the only two objects left in all of reality, they approach each other at well beyond the speed of light when they strike, head on into each other, releasing through the impact of such speeds all mater contained in both is instantly converted to KINETIC HEAT, and the cycle begins again. The short period of time that all matter is VISIBLE though out this cycle is miniscule to the time where there is nothing but cold and darkness.
Thank goodness there are people who have fun searching for information in all 4 quadrants - another great video, thank you!
"Quadrants?"
What are you gibbering about?
@@Tinker1950 Did you watch the video? At about 1:20 he begins his explanations of 4 classifications that closely resembles 4 quadrants in his view. What are you "gibbering" about?
The universe needs the anthropic principle so that sentient life can create the next step in the evolution of empty space. All the materials are there. We will learn how to use them.
I DEMAND THAT GOD WILL RESURECT ME AND MY FAMILY
(3:40) *FW: **_"There's a temptation to say the reason they have the values they do is that if they didn't, we wouldn't exist."_* ... There is no multiverse and there was no precognition (or necessity) for sentience during the early formation of our universe. Existence has gone through several evolutionary stages called "recursions" where new information is continuously generated, assimilated, and evaluated. The reason why this happens is because Existence is searching for a *logically unbreakable level of information* that can end the search.
Had Existence found this information prior to Big Bang, immediately afterward, or 10 billion years later, then sentience would not have been necessary and there would be no discussions happening about fine-tuning. Existence could not find the information it sought via inanimate structure, so sentience was the next logical evolutionary move, ... which also failed to produce the required information.
The final evolutionary stage (recursion) is where autonomous, self-aware humans enter the scene. We now represent "Existence" and we are tasked with exposing the necessary information.
... Did we get the job done?
I don't think humans are particularly special. I think we humans will find out the universe is teeming with all sorts of unique lifeforms ,and humans are mediocre to average at best. It is our religions that hype the image of man. We occupy a universe , one of an infinite number of multiverses.
@@rayspencer7255 *"I think we humans will find out the universe is teeming with all sorts of unique lifeforms ,and humans are mediocre to average at best."*
... And that may be? And until that day comes, we are the most intelligent extant species known to exist in the universe.
*"We occupy a universe , one of an infinite number of multiverses."*
... By definition, the "universe" is a set of all things. So, all of your multiverses, multi-multiverses, and multi-multi-multiverses would simply be contained within the parent set called "universe."
Some would say yes. Some would say no - the one fine-tuned in an infinite number in the multi-verse. I choose God. Because that choice is equally probable and it makes me feel good.
You just admitted that there are an infinite number of "fine tuned" universes. No magic Man in the sky required.
@@TurinTuramber And he admitted his choice was based on his emotional needs, not on facts.
@@TurinTuramber go ahead and dismiss it with a sneer. You'll find out soon enough, and those you first meet "over there" will chide you gently for your ignorance.
People believe God just cause they wanna live after they are dead ,well good luck with that
Only an intelligence .... makes abstract & physical FUNCTIONS.
Everything in the Universe is an abstract ( time, space, Laws of Nature) or physical( matter, energy) FUNCTION.
Only an intelligence ... makes Laws ( of Nature) and things( of the Universe) with clear purpose, form, design & FUNCTION.
Science relies completely on the fixed .... laws ... of Nature, for Man( an intelligence) to explain natural phenomena.
A natural phenomena ... is simply a natural process or .... FUNCTION.
Law is an abstract Function from the mind of an intelligence.
Only an intelligence makes Functions.
A machine & the Human Body ... is a physical Function composed entirely of physical Functions.
The machine analogy is actually a NATURAL PHENOMENA. A natural function ... will always be like ... an unnatural function.
Fine tuning is a natural phenomena ... because a phenomena is simply a Function.
Only an intelligence make, operates & FINE TUNES ... Functions. Go(d) figure. lol.
The multiverse theory is non-falsifiable. Similarly, using science to prove the existence of God is equally non-falsifiable.
probably not...
in an infinite multiverse with an infinite varying set of universal laws and properties of physics, our particular universe just randomly had the right conditions to coalesce....
So you just posit, from thin air, an infinite number of universes. And each one of these - for reasons unknown - is a sample point in the phase space comprising all the parameters that could make up the initial conditions. Lots of evidenceless assumptions here. And the numbers in play - the numbers of permutations, the dimensions in the phase space and the range of parameters - are impossible to comprehend and absurd.
An unsatisfying and ridiculous line of thought designed to do one thing - stop you having to even contemplate a higher intelligence that did exactly what it seems from the evidence, tuned the parameters for Life.
@@frankslade33 well... you obviously have a very serious chip on your shoulder for whatever reason...
...here is my contention...
"the multiverse" or even "omniverse" is comprised of individual points of concious-sentient based reality...
....which means.... anything that is conciously conceived or brought into creation from any individual concious thought or concept is in fact a universe within itself...
to break it down a little...imagine a universe such as something as abstract as "the marvel universe", or "the dc universe"... or a video game franchise such as World of Warcraft, or a universe based on a fictional fantasy book series, such as "forgotten realms"....or the card game "magic: the gathering"....or an anime series such as Dragonball, Naruto, Bleach....etc....etc....
The fact is that each one of these "universes" reguardless whether they are fiction, abstract concepts are actual universes within their own rite...💯
how any and all universes are real because they were created by a concious mind from a sentient being...no matter the scale, imperical evidence....there is more than JUST physical universes as we typically refer to OUR physical universe.
a universe is only able to be manifested or known if a concious mind is able to not just observe, but manifested from concious thought... 💯
so....with that being said....there is absolute certainty that the multiverse exists, because as long as a single conscious mind has at any time consciously manifested it....it is added the the multiverse...
every time a person has hada concious thought that has even a single different property of any kind...a separate universe is instantly created....💯
yeah...im not an idiot...im hyper intelligent...i would even consider myself a lesser polymath....
i understand the concept of an actual physical universe outside our own is currently impossible to confirm and scientifically speaking, may never truly know if there are "physical universes" outside of our own of which all there ever was, is, or ever will be physically exists...
..but universes are not bound to being just physically measurable and tangible...💯
universes can be abstract....they can be conceptual....they can be anything the conscious mind can create, even if only in a fictional, abstract, theoretical form...💯
...if you are not open to that concept, then you are ultimately denying yourself a broader, more creative way of understanding, and ultimately shutting yourself off of a higher level of reality, simply because you imprison yourself withing your own limits of what is fully conceivable or able to be understood because of pre-conceived notions and rejecting a infinitely more complex mindset that will ultimately destroy your true potential, as well as influencing others to do the very sam because you think in so limited-dimentional posibilities and constructs...
....its not JUST "what you know" or "what can be measured"..... its the ability to open yourself to an infinite number of possibilities or concepts that you are brave enough to consider.....💯
If our universe is nested in a multiverse where the over all background is either something like eternal inflation or thermodynamic equilibrium, then who is to say that there aren't multiple eternal inflations or realms of thermodynamic equilibriums in which other multiverses exist? I means what if there's an infinite regress of nesting? It seems to me that once you start taking the multiverse seriously, you end up in the same epistemological problem that Neo finds himself in. Once he discovered that his "reality" was just a simulation in a computer, and he thought he had escaped from it into "reality," he really has no reason to think he actually is in reality and not just in another simulation. It's not EXACTLY the same since I"m not suggesting our universe is a simulation. I'm just talking about the nesting aspect of it.
because infinity does not compute . infinite Regress .
everything We know about the universe is contingent .
*"If our universe is nested in a multiverse..."*
... Based on the definition of "Universe," any multiverse that we are supposedly nested inside would necessarily be defined as the universe.
Only an intelligence ... makes abstract & physical FUNCTIONS.
Only an intelligence ... improves & "fine tunes" ... a FUNCTION.
All Functions ... process inputs into outputs .. have set purpose, properties, form, design ... requires specific matter, energy, space, time, & Laws of nature to exist & to FUNCTION ... and are only made by an intelligence.
A Machine is a physical FUNCTION ... composed entirely of Functions.
The Human body is a physical FUNCTION .... composed entirely of Functions.
Nature & natural processes can NEVER make & operate a simple machine.
The three types of machines are mechanical, electrical & molecular ( ie Life).
There is no multiverse or bubble universes or a NATURAL origin of the Universe 13.7 billion years ago.
The Laws of Thermodynamics confirm that there is only a Natural System( Universe) ... that began & is in ... an Unnatural System. Both systems have their own Laws & ... an intelligence that can make abstract & physical Functions ... and can "fine tune" their CREATIONS.
It’s most probable that there is only one “god” or in other words one regression. The more regressions the more unlikely. It seems to me there is one regression/one god. And that god came from the ether/source. Who created source? Source is just a formula, no one created it
The reason I say it is most likely is because the options are either 1, Infinity or in between (a random number of regressions, such as 3,8,492,10052). Obviously the last option seems unlikely as it is arbitrary and doesn’t make sense that there would be a specific number of regressions. Option infinity is reasonable. Option one is reasonable. However, if option infinity is true, one would say then who created the original regression or the original god. Same goes for if there is one god, who created the one god or the one regression. Do you see where I’m going, oneness is the key to all of this. Why have infinte gods, regressions it’s unnecessary. One god, from one creator is cleaner then infinite gods from one creator
How scientists (non creationists) can explain then in our universe the existence of nanorobots in each one of the living cells?...
Is a temptation to think maybe there is an intelligent designer?.......because naturalism is part of the paradigm of evolution scientists.....
But humans are hell bent on disturbing that fine tuning
Frank's intellect is awe inspiring
What do you mean by God?
God is not even considered seriously here.
There is , and we are that, energy/demon/creature.
Ain't nothin without observation...
What I like about Frank is his intellectual honesty.. My own humble opinion is that the multiverse it's almost certainly a reality.. From the perspective of theism one might EXPECT a universe of MAXIMUM complexity as opposed to a radically limited and conceptually unimaginative universe yet theists seem reluctant to embrace multiverse theories..Frank is a pure pleasure to listen to, thanks for the video..
I think quite a few theist embrace the multiverse idea as it certainly aligns with a conceptualization of God many have. The multiverse implies there is an infinite number of universes exactly like this one and infinite number exactly like this one except I chose a different response for this comment to an infinite number of every conceivable possibility. I certainly can see why hard nosed physicists have disdain for the multiverse as it is nonsensical.
As a theist, I don't have a conceptual problem with the multiverse. I do believe God is capable of creating other universes. Problem is, we have absolutely no scientific evidence, not a shred, of the multiverse. Just conjecture. It baffles me why we even spend that much time debating fiction.
hahaha
@@osamsal or ... about gods --- also less than conjecture...
s@@osamsal I would accept the multiverse only after very persuasive evidence is provided; so far we have none. Right now the multiverse is in vogue because nobody knows how to so solve the "fine tuning" problem and hints from very abstract math and theoretical astrophysics, e.g. false vacuums , eternal inflation, superstrings ect , suggest it could be true. Also, the Everett interpretation of quantum mechanics from the 1950s would generate a multiverse by a different mechanism.
The Eternal Life-Structure, is the cause of the Eternal Dynamic and Balance.
We are unable to imagine anything which is not constructed by known things or known like things. Only we can imagine new shape of known things and known like action or phenomena. Anybody can try imagine something completely new and share with me. Even try to imagine completely new type sense, feeling or imotion. May be there are many completely new things or aspects beyond our imagination. Even short of language will restrict to imagine, construct image and describe those completely new.
Beh...
@@xenphoton5833 ?
Just pick up a good ones, and forget about the others!
So, where did they actually address the question, "Is God the cause of a fine-tuned universe?"
God is the cause of EVERYTHING there is, so...
Why don't we just think outside the thinking brain bubble.
We have the two strong and dominating influential thinking processors, the one the scientific method convincing theories, and the other the theological based on belief, convincing lore and forced subservience.
If we would lay both reasonable, at first, guidance aside, we could discover a new truth of our universe, not applying a divine and not a regulated universe as assumed.
There could be a simple history, to the existence of our universe. Not before we have a clear picture with all its structures of the cosmos can we definitely say we know what's out there.
Through the big bang theory comes the imagination of multiple universes popping up somewhere, its a typical thought of influential character of the mind.
It can also be that the cosmos is a flat layer, and beneath is a layer with gravitational forces that holds all planets and stars in their positions, during a flow that we call expansion.
If People can free themselves from influential informations, just for new ways of thinking and visualizing it could bring more results to the great tasks.
Well if the universe is fine tuned just for life that would mean we have no free will, because I doubt if the fine tuning would end just at birth. It seems we would be in a constant state of being tuned. And if there are multiple universes that would also mean that each universe is predestined by the other -that in a parallel universe they’re developing language, math, etc. That odds of that in states of purely random free would would be mathematically impossible
Wow, brilliant discussion, love his ideas and they all seem to come from a sense of humility. Best possible way to come at something... as long as we believe we can put everything inside a math box we will remain limited.
Sim
That is one explanation. Not very credible but yes, an explanation. Who made the sim is the natural follower.
@@SimonBrisbane the "real reality" made the sim that made the sim that made the sim that made the sim that
The bible says something like, people are given understanding along their predestined path. We must be blocked from heavenly knowledge that would explain what they are looking for until it's time.
The only man, i dare to say is enliightened from our time, is Bruno Groening. We, others, just have things to learn here, with God's help. He comunicates through us in spirit. I think.
Nothing they talked about had anything to do with the title. ???
He didn't even talk about the main subject
I believe so, but of course I can't prove it. And I would never accept a mathematical proof that used the phrase "God made it so" as one of the steps, unless it was a starting axiom. Axioms are unprovable so no harm done there. Anyone who rejects the axiom is more than welcome to reject whatever results follow from its use.
Along with his intellectual gift Mr Wilczek has a talent for teaching. He is so accessible to the laymen on complex subjects, It is a privilege to hear his ideas.
Monotheistic dualism or substance dualism will never be compatible with fine tuning. No matter how you try to merge the two it always comes out weak and contrived. By comparison the Anthropic Principle is bulletproof.
at the end even the anthropic principle fall into multiverses ...so losing any empirical evidence.
@@francesco5581 I'm not saying the AP is set in stone it just that FT isn't relevant to theistic dualism. Initial conditions and the values of physical constants have no effect on the soul, or the mind.
The multiverse is sufficient but not necessary for AP. A single universe could contain multiple regions that are favorable, or not, for carbon based (soulless) life. The same can be said for our galaxy or even our solar system. Life exists where conditions permit it. Eternal inflation is a single quantum inflation field.
@@B.S... is still a sort of multiverse inside an universe !! Also i think that this idea have lost traction with the fall of string theory. Anyway since the "soul" is independent (if any) from this material universe i dont see a problem with that to dualism.
@@francesco5581 Theism clings to contradictory propositions - Fine tuning is contingent (proof of a creator), yet the soul and mind are immaterial... it is theism that has fallen.
Inflation theory and string theory are completely independent theoretical models.
@@B.S... Theism is believing in the "word" from God. What interest me is that Fine tuning is real and it require a first cause. That first cause can be an intelligent causation (God or whatever) or mere luck. If the first causation is of an intelligent kind then dualism can be explained in thousand ways ...but can be monism too and in some configurations will not change much the whole picture either.
It would be a closed door, not an open window.
Fine tuning does not require a fine tuner. Again, this topic is an Auto Fail, since the sample size in consideration is ONE universe.
I win, again.
That’s circular logic that doesn’t address the question of why we’re here nor face up to the question which is stumping so many cosmologists and Astro-physicists. Why Lambda is such a fine tolerance is an incredibly big deal and there is a good reason that physicists do not and cannot conclude the matter with your reasoning.
You can't win 2 Nobel prizes, so I assume that Wilczek will dally in anyone of the four quadrants. Clearly the God Concept is used to explain what we cannot explain using ordinary knowledge but is an explanation that makes no difference. The universe is very big... ie. much bigger than us. Life is an extraordinary phenomenon. We can't explain (yet) how it happened, nor how the universe permitted it. What's for supper? Life is the reward for living.
Evolution of religious thought:
Then:
1. Don't understand
2. Therefore Thor
Now:
1. Don't understand
2. Therefore Jesus
Santa Claus is the cause of the fine-tuned universe.
Fascinating, but our universe was never " fine-tuned".
Our theories on the contrary are often "fine-tuned" to our own perception of things: humans invent God, therefore God created the universe. Humans come up with simulations, therefore the universe is a simulation.
@@EstraNiato yes. We see only one universe and think it is uniquely finetuned for us. But there are many universes, in sequence and simultaneously. We just happen to be in one of them.
Scientists hate God, but no explanation other than God
Hate implies a belief in the presence or existence of...just because you can't get by without being the special snowflake of an invisible Sky Daddy doesn't mean we all do...rather dismissal of
There are lots of Muslim, Jewish and Christian scientists. Your argument is flawed.
Oh, it’s the “god of the gaps” argument. Very “original”.
Since you don't believe in a creator, you're saying our finite universe created itself. Smart!
@@luzpintero1088 I don’t believe you know what a strawman fallacy is or how logic works so I suggest you ask a teacher to point out the flaws in your comment.
@@luzpintero1088 Do you know that it's finite? Do you have certain knowledge that existence, in some form, isn't eternal?
@@DinoAlberini I don't believe you know what the word "logic" means. Science now indicates the universe will end in heat death billions of years from now. There's no evidence of anything existing before the Big Bang. That means the universe is FINITE. Being finite means it was CREATED by something. Since you don't believe in a creator, you're saying it created itself. You're welcome.
@@fred_2021 - Current science indicates the universe will end in heat death many years from now- it will have a finite end. Something with a finite end cannot be infinite in its past, and there's no current evidence for anything existing before the Big Bang. I'm open to any new theories but info now indicates it's not eternal.
God had no mind but all power. Reality we are in is allowed as a possibility of unlimited nothingness
We may believe the universe is fine tuned for “us”. That’s okay. Whatever the cause. But wouldn’t any sentient being in the cosmos think the same thing? Because of the extraordinary requirements it takes to develop intelligent creatures? In fact, it may be a necessary condition of existence that eventually some form of consciousness must be created. Eventually.
Why would consciousness be necessary? Maybe the question is why have a physical reality, a universe, if it is not to be observed? If there is no creator, nothing is necessary. Additionally, if there is no creator, there is no purpose to it all and there is no good, evil, wrong or right. Apply that honestly in your life and see what happens.
@@artform1364 true
@@artform1364 - Do you think you'd have no purpose in life without a 'creator'?
@@fred_2021 There is no 'purpose' to life...
@@fred_2021 if God doesn't exist then yes life has no purpose
It's absurd, even Atheist like Richard Dawkins admit this. If there's no God then we are just a mistake and a freak accident of nature
Life has no ultimate meaning if you're a atheist you're forced to have this worldview
To think otherwise and give yourself "purpose" which really defeats the idea of purpose. Is nothing more than a coping mechanisms.
Well let's assume universe is finally tuned well we certainly are not and don't necessarily believe the universe needs us fermi complex. Just imagine if we are the best God can do thats a really funny and thought and disappointing if we are. We are amazing/special in some respects and greedy and murderous animals in others. Do you think we have made any progress since Jesus came here to save us. Like the old Leonard's show in search of there's always more questions than answers.
Nature is spontaneous and there is no need for worrying about it.
Would be nice if Nature spontaneously stabilized global warming.
Matter never really mattered to matter anyways. There’s so much more than matter that really matters 🤣
No!
what could lead them to multi-universes ?! because they solved all the scientific problems on the planet earth?! or because they are so smart ?! they are not good even at the basics, so what could take them to multiverses ! isn't that weird !
Maybe god is the *effect* of a fine-tuned universe
Multiverse and God together as real are NOT ontologically incompatible!
Zeus is the man! Or is it Ra? So many gods to choose from.
The universe is alive. Life is fundamental to existence. There is likely a God -like consciousness that is shared by all life. It is also likely that there is no God-like Consciousness and all of our consciousnesses our individual. Either way we are slated to the position of observer.
The universe is not alive. The process we call "biology" is nothing but a consequence of the ability of carbon atoms to form four covalent bonds AND NOTHING MORE.
@@Edruezzi The universe has to be alive or it would not exist.
@@skipbellon2755 That is nonsense.
@@Edruezzi Try to prove the existence of a universe that never had any living thing in it. It's impossible. Prove our universe exists without any life on Earth (or anywhere else). Nothing exists without life...
@@skipbellon2755 You have no idea what proof is.
"The problem of Evil" obliterates god(small G) from any omnipotence.
Not if you believe or have experienced divine love ie agape. And it is often the ones who experience great evil ie suffering g who encounter this love. See Dr Viktor Frankels book In Search of Meaning for one example of what I mean. But there are literally millions. As many as there are believers. I understand though evil can also destroy people utterly. We must always bear the burden of our brothers who lab our and suffer. God is holy.
“….have to be perfect beyond belief…” Presupposing conclusions and begging questions is not a substitute for rational discussion. Any sentient entities in any universe would have to, at some point, come up with the concept of unlikelihood. And therefore conclude, with zero supporting evidence, that their universe has to be incredibly unlikely…. and therefore it’s ‘laws’ “must be perfect, and created that way” or something. The way out of this ridiculous conjecture is to grasp that those ‘laws’ are nothing of the sort. They are not constructed from on high, and then handed down by authority. No, they are the actual properties of matter/energy itself; they are not some external thing that matter/energy MUST abide by.
Sounds like an interesting word game. If a man won the lottery every day of his life, you would know something was up. You would never argue that it’s just an incredible coincidence. If Dark Energy was not at the precise level it is, we would not exist. The chances of it falling into the range it did are smaller than the man who won lotto every day of his life. When you look at the vast multitude of the so-called “fine tuned” factors (such as the cosmological constant) which underpin the very existence of matter, you start to appreciate there is a better chance of that man winning the lottery every day of his life than that of us being alive. The numbers are indeed remarkable as noted by one of the greatest theoretical Physicists alive. “The dark energy is not exactly zero, but the first 122 decimal points are zero. That's crazy. That is really one of the craziest things we've ever discovered.”
Leonard Susskind
So the question is, what to make of the man who won lottery every day of his life? Your comment suggests it’s not worth considering as it could lead you to a conclusion. And despite the staggeringly unlikely odds, your conclusion COULD be incorrect. Funny thing is, that’s not how science works either. The Higgs Boson was proven on the 5 Sigma principle which equates to “only” 3x10-7. Which is far less than the chance of winning the Lottery. Do you question the validity of the Higgs Boson? Let’s entertain that “rational discussion”.
@@SimonBrisbane hmmm. How many other universes have you measured this against, to determine the ‘chance’ involved? And I’ll take the liberty of pointing out that you are, in essence, saying that in the battle of light energy and dark energy it’s not really a battle; they coexist. Yin and Yang. You know, just in case you see fit to get into some sort of quasi-spiritual religionist stuff here.
@@Gk2003m erm.. what other universe? There are none known, none can be tested. As I mentioned, there are reputable, secular physicists calling the multiverse a religion and yet here you appeal to it? I mean it makes for good movies, but that’s it. Do you have anything scientific to add? There is no quasi-religious stuff in my words, just the same scientific data available to anyone who cares to examine it. How we interpret it is obviously vastly different . It seems odd to me that you are avoiding how astonishing the numbers are. Like there’s a massive pachyderm sharing our same confined space. I’m only pointing to it but you want to look out the window.
@@SimonBrisbane you spoke of the chances of the dark energy level falling into the range it’s in as being nearly impossible - and thereby you are implying that some intelligence had to create this scenario and is maintaining it on our behalf. Sooo… what other universes are you comparing this level of chance to? In order to confirm the level of chance involved? Seems to me that with one known universe, and that universe having the level it has, the odds of that occurring are 1:1 = 100 percent. Just as the odds on life existing in our universe are, by definition, 100 percent. Can you definitively state that no form of life whatsoever could possibly exist absent this level of dark energy? Or only that the life forms we know could not exist?
@@Gk2003m so in discussing “one known universe” you are appealing to the multiverse. I’ve been at pains to explain that approach is completely unscientific. We can only speak of the universe we exist in, nothing else can be regarded as scientific and there is no good reason to believe in a multiverse outside of the Marvel franchise. Even if we entertained the fantasy that there are an infinite number of universes, there is still the question of why is there anything at all. It’s inescapable.
The value of Lambda is but one of hundreds of universal parameters that fall into the exceedingly improbable category. It was used because it is very accurately and widely known in the scientific community and is staggering in it’s improbably. Start multiplying this by the other universal parameters and only a fool could deduce it isn’t impressive and doesn’t warrant further examination and consideration.
And yes I can definitively confirm that no life would exist had dark matter had a slightly different value. Your very question indicates you do not understand the significance of the value and I’ll now explain why. If the value was slightly larger or smaller, no matter would have formed after the Big Bang. Nothing. It’s not just a matter of whether life could form, it’s a question of whether a single atom could even have formed. We are talking about the fundamental production of all matter coming to be from an energy state. Remember at the Big Bang there was no matter, just extreme energy. Please read more about it as it’s absolutely fascinating to see how matter coming to be was completely on the figurative knife edge.
What we know is if that value was not what it is, there would be no universe. I do hope that aside from the question of “God” that you can appreciate how staggeringly unlikely it is that we can even have this conversation.
He concepto concern fine tune are vague and baseless speculations. He shows his mind arent picuret honest concept . In other words he not knows how figuret out Universe truly concept.
May I suggest that Mr. Kuhn not giggle through these interviews. This is serious stuff and I'm not sure what's so funny about it all. If there's any giggling to be done, I'd let the Nobel laureate do the giggling.
Dude who cares
Yes. Our Creator is the reason we experience every detail of our lives. He created ME first, the servant of Creation and I will continue being the ONE who comes alive as each created mind processes HIS programmed thoughts, both temporary and eternal. We're experiencing the temporary generation now but this will end very soon. Then we will all wake up on a new earth with all new images for the ONE to observe. We will all learn what that ONE is that makes us all living beings in all the fake worlds we will be observing.
Hey Brad when's this going to happen?
Our Universe is far from 'fine-tuned' ! It is barely balanced !! It is mainly in chaos!!