How to Install a Shade Sail for a Deck | Ask This Old House
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- Host Kevin O'Connor has two simple sun-blocking solutions for keeping a deck and home cool during the summer. (See below for a shopping list, tools, and steps.)
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Kevin visits Santa Fe and installs a shade sail over a deck to cut down on sun exposure.
Where to find it?
Expert assistance with this project was provided by Santa Fe Awning Company [www.lascrucesawning.com/].
Kevin visited Santa Fe style homes built by McDowell Associates [mcdowellfinehomes.com/].
Shopping List for How to Install a Shade Sail:
- Shade sail, to shade the deck
- Steel mounting posts, to secure shade sail to deck
- 4-inch lag screws, 3-inch carriage bolts, for securing steel posts
- Roller shade, to shade windows
Tools List for How to Install a Shade Sail:
- Impact driver
- Open-end wrench, to tension the sail
Steps for How to Install a Shade Sail:
1. Install three steel posts, attaching them to the deck framing to support the shade sail. Fasten each post with lag screws and carriage bolts.
2. Screw head-rod clamps to the house fascia spaced 3 feet apart.
3. Raise the shade sail up to the fascia and slip its head rod into the clamps. Tighten the wing nuts on the clamps to secure the rod.[BR]
4. Use anchor shackles to attach the outer edge of the shade sail to the steel posts.
5. Use a wrench to tighten the hex nut on the eyebolt on each post.
6. Once you've tensioned the shade sail and pulled out all the wrinkles, tighten the second hex nut up against the first nut to lock it in place.
7. To install a window shade, start by screwing a long roller tube to the house wall above the windows.
8. Slide the upper hem of the fabric shade into the slot in the roller tube.
9. Use a long-handled crank to raise and lower the shade.
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How to Install a Shade Sail for a Deck | Ask This Old House
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I agree, this was a contracted job and not a DIY one. To make things worse, the parts list didn't include any info on where/how to purchase said parts. However... it's not all a waste. Seeing thos super expensive custom metal posts made me realize I can fashion something similar out of wood and then, attach them to my existing wooden deck AND THE JOISTS under the deck! That was an eye-opener for me as my biggest challenge to installing a shade sail has always been the fact that I can't sink posts because I have a concrete patio beneath my upper deck. Now, with some creative woodworking, I think I can attach the posts to the deck & the joists. Some vids simply open your eyes to alternate possibilities and that's what this one did for me.
fwiw, you might be able to attach the posts with something like standard joist hangers, possibly upside down, or slightly mcgyvered.
Jesus, that redheaded guy needs to be taught EVERYTHING!
4 Carriage bolts to hold each vertical support....and then the brackets on the facia are fastened with 1-1/2 deck screws. Love it
Well, those vertical supports have to resist a large cantilever force that the facia brackets don't, so it's not really surprising for someone who understands mechanical forces.
not even anchored... just straight into the wood.
I have a couple sun sails I installed with stainless eye bolts and some paracord using 5 dollar figure 9 carabiners to tighten and they have lasted for 7 years still look new through tons of wind and rain and hot summers, great product.
Can I hire you to install something similar for my house in Maryland?
@@house9850 mind sharing the brand you went with for the sail? I'm also on the west socal coast.
@@projectedwinbrito oh man trying to remember... its been the better part of a decade, I went to the home store with the orange logo LOL back then there was only one or two shade brands, I want to say I have 3 of the sand colored coolaroo sun sail. Using the stainless hardware, paracord, and figure 9 carabiners to pull them tight was key. Buy 2 feet smaller than your space to stretch them tight.
make sure to use a lighter to melt your cut paracord ends and pinch them to make a point. That has lasted 7 years too.
Late comment here, but just watched this video and saw your comment about Figure 9 Carabiners. I hadn't heard of them. Just bought 4 from Nite Ize to put up our triangular sun shade sail. Thank you for mentioning the Figure 9's.
Years ago, Santa Fe Awning installed a hanging "curtain" for us. Eventually, we enclosed the porch with sliding glass doors on two sides because the wind came from the SW and dumped load of dirt on it...We kept the shade now inside the porch and it makes a huge difference and held up perfectly with the direct SW pounding on it for years!
If you are familiar with how the sun can be bright and hot skip to 1:15
Seriously made me actually laugh out loud and not just type lol :)
@@kingofbytes 🤣
Man... you saved me 1:15 seconds of my life!
Breaks the bad news after they are happy. "Now you do have to take it down in the winter" lol.
Followed by “otherwise you can keep it up year round”.
Redefining “year round”. Lol.
I think they could rename this episode “This old credit card”
Ooh, glad this popped up in front of me this morning. My house in Albuquerque needs a patio cover, but it’s a combination of factors that has kept me from figuring out how to do it. Some kind of a sail would be perfect and now I know how to do it “locally.” The roadrunner in my back-yard is chiming in and I think we’ve got a consensus!
How to install a Shade Sail....
Step one: hire metal workers and contractors to create frames and install frames
Step two: install shade sail
This Old House is no longer about how to DIY, it’s a showcase for manufacturers products...more money that way.
Fits the corporate style model they’ve been using since the nineties. Maximum profit just like the Chinese
How do I find a metal worker, what would be some business names to search? Metal fabrication,
@@zfilmmaker nvlonk look k
Nathan Gardner huh?
Any chance y'all will do a video series on the super-ultra-basic-must-knows about home ownership? We got our first home a few years ago in perfect condition, but we don't know how to do so many little things... How to fix a warped fence board, how to fix a leaky water spigot (and more importantly how to know what materials you need to fix it!), how to repair large and small drywall holes, etc. A playlist would be incredibly useful!
They make shades that crank down from the inside. I think that would be easier than having to go outside to roll up and down all the time.
I agree. That outside shade is useless.
Hanging the shade on the outside has less heat gain inside the house than a shade mounted inside.
The house stays cooler.
@David Blue The shades I was talking about shade the glass from the outside, not inside. And it isn't about laziness, it is about convenience.
@@bringemyoungpbuh4123 besides the hand cranked version, there's also the motorized version and wireless remote control options.
@@c.garcia2363 Yes, there are better options than going outside every time you want the shade. I prefer manual models as they have less to go wrong, but motorized with a remote could really be handy.
I've stayed in this home! Beautiful views!!!
Remember when TOH used to actually build stuff? I remember, Pepperidge Farm remembers.
Perfect shade planner
“Take it down in January and put it back up in January…
Perfect!
Nice job! I want one!
Awesome Job!
I am curious about flapping in the wind and noise of the wind catching the sail. I would appreciate comments about these two factors, especially the amount of flapping which will make also a lot of noise. Thank you
First thought that came to mind, was lightning rods. Perhaps ground them? But solid as can be!
Always something to do!
"You'll have to take it down in the winter but other than that you can keep it up year-round"
I caught that too
Typical marketing wank...
Salesman mentality came out
I was gonna comment on that as well but, you got there first 😉
Wait what 😂 .. and you typical answer ... “okay”
Did he say "YOU HAVE TO TAKE IT DOWN IN THE WINTER BUT YOU CAN LEAVE IT UP YEAR ROUND" ?!?!?!?! HAHAHAHA
Outside of that...
So…….during a lightning ⛈️ storm those steal posts will be a great conductor of electricity ⚡️. Good job guys 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Looks like they have finally ventured out of New England for a show.
The original show w/ Bob Villa n crew and the original Woodwright’s shop were always top shows to watch at my home
Move along, old timer, we young 'uns don't know or care what you think we're missing.
@@s0ld4u stay in your lane, you 3rd world country suppressed individual
I would want the shade at the window to be retractable electronically. Especially for older people.
Next video- how to keep birds from pooping on your new shade sail.
There's this new fangled invention called washers
Same thing I was thinking when I saw this
"Washers"? Sounds like a scam and probably expensive.
That sounds made up.
Same thing I thought of....too much pressure from camera crew?
Great video! 😊
That deck and window set are all clearly set up to capitalize on the sun. Very curious that they didn't do any solar gain calculations when building it
They didn't realize that large windows let in more light? As a pro window cleaner I see this all the time where I live. People pay for an awesome view, and hundreds more per month in cooling the place. Not having a clue that a little tint on the window would make the difference. With that said, please don't buy Pella windows. We charge a ton to open them and clean them properly. Unless you're into that.
I was thinking the same thing. Why not just taint the window?
Winter sun is nice for free heating. Clear desert skies make that actually happen. Midwest, not so much.
@@thewatcher611 We have the same windows as seen on this house and instead of tinting (which would work fine) we just installed interior white see through blinds similar to the black one in the video. They knock out 95% of the heat from outside.
Gotta love it when the noobie struggles with the clevis.
I’m really bummed out they didn’t call in a Deckspert...
Aesithair Runekafi I cant thank you enough for that response.
😂👍
Well that was useless - why do I need to watch a video that consists of "Hire someone to make custom poles and a custom sail, then have them install it all." So, basically, the only DIY thing here would be calling the contractor.
Mark F combine this video with a video on how to weld, and then a video on how to sew and they you can do exactly what the contractor did
There are local people that will build the steel and I'm sure you can order the sail from somewhere, the diy part would be measuring and drawing what you want accurately
@@rbnhd1976 it's like every video TOH puts out these people come en masse to say "this video should be how to hire a contractor" like they have to be spoonfed everything or it's worthless
So you know how to do it.
@Chris Sobo Not true. I could build those shades and install them in my house for probably under $500 in materials quite easily. Of course, I have a welder and other tools to do the job. But of course, a serious DIY would have to get the tools to do it anyway and so... your wrong!
thank you.
What is the name of the clamps used on the fascia board to clamp the edge of the sail with the pipe or tubing edge and where can you get them?
Wow, imagine having a shade sail professionally installed. I just bought some for $13 each and hooked them up and they've lasted for 4 years so far. Much more wind resistant than umbrellas
Where did you buy them from?
Good to hear. I have a small 10x10 patio that I want to shade and an umbrella would just be too big.
Beautiful Job! Thanks for Sharing😇
What about UV coated glass like on a Tesla?
window tint works
Should have tinted the windows
Oh sure
I'll just ask for custom made post
Really?
I love the “shade” thrown around on CZcams comments.
Nice
I would have put the window shade crank on the interior side of the wall or "motorized" the entire thing so it could be extended and retracted from an interior switch or better yet a remote control, else this is a decent solution.
Smart. Actually, a good architect would have thought of all of that, and had it all built in with the windows. Just a switch will shade the windows.
How about a solar panel powered motor that auto-deploys the shade in direct sunlight.
Great idea
The reason you wouldn't put the shade on the inside is because it would not block the sun from heating the windows if it was on the inside, so the temperature increase inside would be pretty substantial. You want to avoid the sun from heating the window, therefore outside is the way to go.
1/4" wall tubing 😳 could hold up a house with those
Change windows for better U-Value & minimum solar heat gain coefficient SHGC. Overall performance of the home is vastly improved throughout & year0round. The shade is just a band-aid if the interior is the issue. Outdoor shade on the deck is another issue.
The home owner dude had quite the role to play in this.
"This dang Sun is just too dang sunny" 🤣
Yes, he had to get his wallet and see money fly away
Nice project. How about including in the video a price range for those custom steel supports and the custom sail shade? Also, how about suggestions on where the DIY person can buy that sail shade?
MightyCovers.com
Holly Yielding do you currently have a product from this company , if so how large is the sail and how do you like?
lol, you're right, not such a DIY project if I need something customized
No gutters so when it rains will the sail collect all the water?
possibly put up a sail that sits vertical between posts to really block that setting sun?
+kubtastic Would be helpful to block sun coming in.
Where do I find steel mounting post? The details listed above don't tell me where to find this. Please advise.
If I wanted to do this myself could I just install a 4x4 post and bolt it i to my current wood deck using a footing
Nope 4x4 post is not good for tension loads like this one. Needs to be tubular metal to withstand heavy winds.
The middle of the 4x4 post wouldn't be doing much work, so a tubular design is used for poles. They're used for footings because that center part holds just as much weight as the outside, but in this application, the further out from the center of the material does the most work (that's why all flagpoles, lightposts, and telephone poles are hollow) (unless it's a wooden telephone pole, then it's a solid center because of cost)
Scott H 👍🏻👍🏻
I have a sunshade sail and usually the wind rips it out once a year
markman63 . Have you tried using rubber bungee( Home Depot- $1.59 each for the solid black rubber ones) I use them on 2 of the corners and they flex in the wind,do not sag and are very easy to remove and install when needed.
Where is the link for that Shade sail. Can't find one like that anywhere!?
What if dont use the shade over here, and put some shade over there?
Use garage springs it will last longer.
How does rain affect them?
Are they in Austin?
Where can I get one of those roller shades they installed on the big windows?
How do you order the special order hardware?
Was a dark sail the best option?
Yes...if you want to avoid having to wear sunglasses outside underneath.
How about automated rollers?! Wind blows too hard they automatically retract?
So stainless ring stainless post ring and a galvanized connector between the two. Probably should be using all high chromium stainless otherwise you are going to get a galvanic reaction and rusting
I was wondering about that! I was just scrolling through, looking for THIS very comment!
TOH is assuming it doesn’t rain there so don’t have to worry about annoying things like that. Hehe.
All galvanized or all stainless. If there’s salty conditions, obviously all stainless.
I would just put 5% tint on the big window
Are those little head-rod clamps on the house facia going to hold that sail in the wind?
no chance
Looks like southwest TX, they need to revisit to see how they've held up after TX stormy seasons... :)
@@skytigress they screw through the solid 1in nominal fascia boards. I am sure they are hurricane rated!
most wind, and water, will go through this
Rich people : Oh I have a sun problem. I’m going to call this old house and they come by and fix my problem because they will get experts who will build custom shade fabric to attach to my million dollar views.
Poor people : I got a sun problem. I’m going to add aluminum foil to the window.
OK
Haha
6:47 take it down in the winter if you live where it snows, or just to get the light and warmth?
what is the name of the shade sale in this video that attaches to the fascia, then out to the steel post. ???
It states in it that it was custom made...
@Mark F. hahahaha well, I felt the same. I was like, why didn't I think of that genius solution amidst the sea of nuts and bolts and fridge hhoks and eye hooks and makeshift poles in concrete bases- their's ws much handier- alas, A WELDER I AM NOT! FOR ONCE, CAN MY OLD HOUSE BENEFIT FROM YOUR ADVICE? WANNA SEND A CREW TO A TRULY OLD HOUSE THAT HAS LEFT ME BEYOND REPROACH?LOL
I wonder how that guy would feel about 180 mph winds. He made such a big deal about 40 mph winds.
LOOK at the SIZE of this deck :O I’d be happy with a 1 x 2 metres of deck, gosh...
the crank shaft is say too lons.you have to bend your back to retract of extend the wi dos shade.
plus i would uze electric motor so i an operate it crom my coach.
What FjallRaven jacket is he wearing?
He claims that the post is made of 1/4 inch thick 2x3 steel. It is definitely not. It is clearly at most 1/8th inch. You can see the open end at 3:14.
Previous to that I saw him hand that post over the deck and I was liked "What, 1/4 inch steel?!? That would weigh a ton!" And he just casually hands it over.
wonderfully old impact drivers
No eye protection used.
Jeff Hallel Why would you wear that with an impact?
@@jacobslater6449 So that if the socket fails or the bolt strips and sends metal splinters through the air into your face your eyeballs might be shielded by the safety glasses.Generally manufacturers of striking tools and power tools tell the user to use safety glasses.
Jeff Hallel Ah yeh gotcha, generally in the UK we don’t follow that at work unless it’s using SDS etc
@@jacobslater6449 You have free health care.No worries.
Solar when temp gets high 🌞
FYI: You don’t have to take the whole sail off in the winter time. Just have to roll it up and if you don’t live in a zone that has has snow, you can leave it up year round. The “professional” worded it badly.
No washers?
I am looking for a company that makes HIGH QUALITY custom shade sails that will last years in the Texas Sun ???
Look at the coolaroo brand
ICON Shade systems. They're commercial grade. I have installed them in public parks.
Also Shade Systems Inc. I have also used these in parks and the fabric is unparalleled when it comes to withstanding the elements. Expensive but you get what you pay for.
I thought that was Carol Baskins there at the end 😳
Why not install a window film to reduce the Uv and glare.
Dang I need those custom steel poles for my deck. Are these sold online anywhere?
I used 2 pressure treated 4x4’s or one’s that matches your deck and used a small black rubber bungee cord ,S bolts and an eye bolt, the bungee absorbs the wind and keeps it nice and tight, mine does not sag. Cost was under $25 for the supplies and I got the 7 x 13 sail at Costco for $20, setup was ez and project was less than $50. Also so much easier to unhook the bungee and remove, less than a minute.
@@DIYGuy-ye5fl When did you see the sail at Costco? In the store or online?
Lulujoy . Hi, they are in both of my local stores right now for $24.99(Santa Rosa,CA) they are also @ Costco.com for $33.99. Description is Coolaroo 13’ x 7’ rectangular sun shade. Hope this helps
You sold me up until “You just have to take it down in the winter.”
Well looks like they may live where heavy snow may accumulate on top of it destroying your involved
I'm sure they will " hire" someone to do that too. 🙄 If you have the cash to lay out for this kind of project, THAT won't be a problem.
...Tint the windows?
is there a reason why people don't use light colored shade material? A little reflection goes a long way.
The simple answer is a darker colour gives better shade so you don't have to wear sunglasses underneath.
Hope that answers your query.
@@stephenconnolly1830 ah, so it's actually brighter. Hmm. I've had silver and black shade but never could tell a difference. White might not block enough.
Seems like there should be a work around.
There’s no way that old couple is taking that thing down every winter and putting it back every spring
The railing seems low. Wouldn't want to take a fall from that height.
Slipping the shackle bolt through the "D" ring .
Isn't "Sail" suppose to catch wind? Now that the shade sail is attached to the house, would wind cause it to damage the house's structure? Also, it looks to me it will catch some rain too?
Wind and Rain go through the mesh, in theory.
Our friend used screws that weren’t long enough to go far enough into the board underneath and a piece of facia board got ripped off right off the house by a strong wind. To avoid this problem we will try longer screws and find the studs to sink them in.
2:36
I love how the deck railings aren't to code lol those are large gaps and that deck is high af
You know in this country the code police aren’t going to come arrest you if your private deck is out of current code?
@@micahwest5347 If someone was to get hurt because of this, guess who they are coming after?
@@DyLemmaOG His insurance company. They apparently didn’t exercise due diligence to determine the risk of his policy. A homeowner is not expected to be a code specialist.
@@micahwest5347 ????? As a homeowner, you should know you don't own the property. You can't just put random permanent structures, every homeowner knows this. You could be fined a TON of money and on top of that be asked to remove the structure from the property. That's why there is permits you need to build these things.. an insurance company is not going to pay for a mistake LOL you're insane if you think that. You cannot win that case in court, as it will be shown there was no permit for that structure and illegal.
@@DyLemmaOG Wrong. There are mechanisms in place to protect parties from some of these risks. For instance, if the home owner wanted to borrow money to build this structure the lending agency would insist on having an approved building permit. That’s one mechanism to identify risk and mitigate. Another example is if the owner decides to sell the house. This would trigger a home inspection. That’s another mechanism to identify risk.
Put your PPE gear on and go back to your hole with you local building code book.
Where might one find the 90% shade cloth mentioned in the video?
This was a custom-built job, but 90% shade cloth is sold on Amazon (and the Big Box stores, I'm sure) in standard sizes--6 and 8 ft widths are common, with various lengths. I've been considering this for the side of our patio cover, but I don't have any real-world experience.
Lowe’s I found mine for $33
The exterior wood on that residence is in great need of attention. It may be redwood or some similar type of wood, but it is in the beginning to moderate stage of decay (rot). It’s sad that TOH didn’t bring it to the owner’s attention, something like linseed oil (raw and not boiled) would go a long way to restoring the wood to a stage where it could be saved. It is now 5 years later and if nothing has been done, it’s probably too late.
He’s in the desert!!!
Don’t buy a house in the desert. I’m told deserts are HOT.
But what would I know, I live in England!
Some deserts are really cold
Deserts don’t have Trees all around
I live in Arizona, Even though it still stays fairly mild in the winter I still wouldn’t recommend this because we get a lot of destructive winds and heavy rains that could destroy that thing on a bad day.
Wow. This house seems like it wasn't built with consideration of the sun position/temperature effects, and the wind. Derp.
Now the house can set sail away....ahaha
....could have used the window shade as a crank out deck shade.....
Why wouldn’t u use a motorized unit with a remote on the windows? That hand crank gets old after 2-3 days
Because that would cast a lot more money
A patio cover with insulated panels would be much better. Should last many many years longer.
Simple reflective window tint could have worked better on those larger windows,.... and no screws into your home!!
Kevins not stripping screws. The stripping sound is the setting on the drill to make sure it doesn't over tighten. Duh.
Not to be that guy, but he's using an impact driver, not a drill. They just sound like that as they hammer while they spin.