I do miss the old OCTV show, so many things have changed since then, so not sure if now is even a good time to consider a return if at all possible. it is always fun when BZ or GN chats with others in the industry. B)
About the video, it's not a dumb format. At all. Cool to learn about the benches and the crazy scores, and having one of those every once in a while explaining why some score got hugely better while others seem stuck is a nice idea. Will definitely look forward to more videos like this!
I like @Buildzoid’s idea to cover a few set of scores rather than a 45 minute video. But still always love hearing him passionately talk about extreme oc
That's such a baller move from ASUS! I respect it, and hope they don't ever give it up, although I would understand if they also did the same thing with fewer cores in addition to the all-core oc
7:38 i think there is a good case to be made that getting a certain frequency on all cores is a harder achievement, than getting it on just one. It could be a different category.
@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking I dont agree. Since they are the motherboard builder being able to show 7.3 Ghz on all cores when another brand only manage 7.314 with just 3 cores actually show significant stability gain on a MB. At those kind of clockspeeds it very clear even the groupdelay times on the different copper leads and components have significant impact if it will work or not. That is why single dual core processors can clock so much higher. Meanwhile I agree the Asus team should have run also a low core sample.
I don't know if you are aware of this, but Ryzen isn't capable of doing 512 AVX - it isn't implemented. So good luck trying to find a Ryzen score in the Y-Cruncher benchmark.
i really enjoyed this one, its a perspective on hardware you dont get if you arent in the xoc scene with at least one foot. and reviews have mostly been "waste of sand" so getting to hear something else was a nice change of pace. also, about the as few cores as possible vs all cores when going for max clockspeed: imo, getting the biggest number is impressive, period. however, getting the biggest number, or a number very close to it, with all cores enabled is at least as impressive, if not a display of luck (because you have a core thats equally good across the board, or which has very high clocking lemon cores). it could be interesting to check/compare results by treating max frequency in general and max frequency all cores enabled as separate categories
@@eplus341 Absolutely .I mean this 8 core back and forth thing drives me bonkers although i love Intel.In my case with Music Production and stuff i think stability is the goal where Intel thrives but boy that Thread ripper is really tempting (they do have compatibility issues with various softs and hardware ) . Bottom line again its a no for me. (8700k is great btw)
@@eplus341 I'm sill on an x58 LGA 1366 56xx at 4.6ghz all core stable for the last 11 years lol (it will do 5.2+ but I don't trust it at those voltages). Until a graphics card needs more than PCIE 2 x16 to maximize its performance, I'm not upgrading, either lol. Almost nobody needs to unless they are using their computer as an actual workstation that utilize the crazy transfer speeds of PCIE 4.
I think if you want to help get more people into XOC, you should make a video on which OS to use for a given benchmark, and how to properly config / mod said OS. I imagine some OS tweaks are closely guarded secrets...but a lot of them are probably common knowledge among all of the top OCers. Why not compile those commonly known OS mods into a video for anyone that is considering getting into XOC, to help level the playing field a little? Newbies are still going to have all the disadvantages of not knowing what they're doing and not having unlimited funds to buy and bin tonnes of hardware. This would make the formidable uphill battle ahead of them seem less daunting and encourage newcomers IMO.
I find the "how it's made" format very interesting. As for length, it really does not bother me. To be honest, I can listen to a Buildzoid video while doing my own tinkering. Or while doing some menial task (I know Buildzoid loves sorting/tidying ;). Or I listen in 10, 15 or 20 minute sections.
7:27 TRUTH I used to get so much bad comment on 'WHY YOU DONT CLOCK ALL THE CORES' when doing XOC runs, when we're basically just trying to get a clock validation for a FASTEST SINGLE core on that silicon. And now the funny part is that more CPU starts to support per-core ratio, we can have a situation where the CPU-Z will show that it is 'all-core' active, yet ONLY one of them actually being clocked that high - and the NEWS reporting it will still say it's an 'all-core' overclock :p
@@milchkopf3881 Sorry, my english is pretty bad and probably not suited for written review. But still learning though, so I might do it if there's spare time :)
Did anyone tell you that you could do a voice over for Kermit the Frog? I'm confident your voice can be used for a convincing illusion of extending original content with people thinking it was old, lost and recently found.
You said "If they built the 1100k on 10 nanometer it might clock even worse". Then I fell asleep, but if you didn't address this later in the video, maybe you could do another one where you drive your race car around and ramble about Rocket Lake. I love those rambling race car videos. I am also not opposed to making more HWBOT monthly videos. I might learn something.
Cool that Rauf is high in the scores. He is Swedish and hangs out on the same OC forum as me. I am not a hard-core OC though just running a 9700K at 5ghz on an AIO so pretty casual.
@@Apollo-Computers really huh i went to dry ice awhile ago been having a hell of a time getting ln2 around here for less then total robbery pricing (4USD/L) never had a issue with the pots I've been building and designing far as the mess though I have a extended top and a gasket that most pots don't have. If you 3d print a pla gasket for existing commercial pots (like KPs, romans, bartx pots ect) they should seal assuming some pressure from the mounting hardware and keep any alcohol or acetone from splashing about to much or making it out from the machined surface between the copper base and the top.
@@Onewolfoc yes ln2 can be pricey, if I only get my 35l dewar filled I pay $2 litre, but if I get 180l tank delivered, it's $170 plus one year tank lease $300. My guy said he's going to get me a good discount and contract pricing when I order the big tank. But getting hardware is impossible for me atm.
@@Apollo-Computers yea I have the opposite problem in both aspects. I have hardware out the wazoo + the local airgas ln2 distro center is run by a total prick can't get anything better then highway robbery pricing when I know of many people in the US getting 2 bucks a L or even cheaper pricing from them. I have one other supplier I might be able to try but I can get dry ice so darn cheap (down to 65 cents a lb) so that's been a good option for me right now I till I can source ln2 for a reasonable price
G'day Buildzoid, I really enjoyed the Format of this video, although not planning to do it myself I have been enjoying the LN2 OC content from You, G/N, Bearded Hardware & Jay, I liked Joe's comment "It's like Top Fuel Drag Racing for PCs" so going through the records & having some explanation of how they get there is really Cool, Although not going to the extreme of LN2 I have been gathering parts for OCing with Air & AIO cooling on LGA1155, I have made myself a TestBench with an ASUS Maximus V Extreme, for CPUs to play with I have Pentium G2120, i3-3240, i5-3570K & i7-3770K, as I want to see how Core scaling also behaves, For GPUs I have an ASUS RX570Strix, Sapphire RX480Nitro+ (which I have had to 1440MHz stable in Heaven) plus 2 GTX760s, a Gigabyte OC 2GB & EVGA SC 4GB, I am hoping to get some better than 1600MHz Green PCB RAM too but it's not really a good time to expand my setup, I am learning quite a bit from your content & when something hasn't sunk in it is great I can go back & watch again, Thanks for all the "Awesome' OC content
With fairly minimal effort you could bench dry ice. There are a few decent pots for that out there you might be able to scoop up for cheap used or if you want a decent evaporator for cheapish you can make one on a good drill press if your careful about the design. Just a idea for you to consider
@@Onewolfoc G'day, yeah that would be good & I did think about it, but due to a head injury that has cause nerve damage I shake similar to Parkinson's Disease, so it is not that I don't want to go SubZero I'm too messy to go SubZero, I struggle to even pour myself a drink in a normal cup without making a huge mess, I would need a pot the size of an ITX mobo 🙄, Air & AIO's are the way to go for me 😁, I have a good Coolerbox so if I get bored with Air & stock AIO I am was thinking of extending an AIO to use that as a reservoir with ice in the water, I have extended one before to add a GPU, but I just needed a little help refilling, my cousin is happy to do that but as he is not into computers so he will get really bored & cranky if I ask him to help me bench all day SubZero 😞
@@shaneeslick well I'm sorry to hear about your injury. Sounds like you have quite a bit though there. I'm not sure if you would be into the idea or not but I think I might have a idea for you to get a little more overclocking headroom that might be worth a thought. Sounds like you can pretty well do water cooling. Would it be possible for you to do a water chiller? Or single or multi stage phase ? You can convert a window AC unit fairly easily into a water chiller or if your good with a bit lesser performance a HC500 would work pretty well and get you around 0 degrees enough that you could get a bit more headroom. I'm not sure if any of those ideas would work for you or even if you'd be interested either. I just thought I'd toss the idea out there. I also have a idea on how a evaporator for dry ice could be modified to possibly suit your needs if you really wanted to pursue any of this stuff further. Just some thoughts - from a friendly neighborhood nerd :)
@@Onewolfoc yeah they seem like good ideas for 'maybe in the future', I am still rearranging thigs to give me room in my little Unit/Apartment so I can even have the Testbench setup full time, as at the moment I have to use my PC Desk or Dining Table, I am looking at making myself a space for a desk with shelves plus a Flat Surface big enough for the Test bench & to build LEGO as that's what I do for hand-eye coordination therapy, but I will get there, just gotta take one day at a time 😁
I have a theory why ASUS may not be going 'all out' with single-core clocks, aside from that may have been an early beta BIOS with non-functional per core clocks. for a corporation that makes the part to be entering into a competition competing against individuals without access to trade-secrets of the parts, is a bit unsportsmanlike, especially if they're using the trade secrets to effectively cheat. so eh. a demo that their board is good, yet not going so far as to cheat, maybe.
I’m rooting for intel even tho I run amd in my computer. I want intel to succeed as competition is good for everyone. Look at the zen 3 prices. Obviously amd raised the prices knowing intel couldn’t compete on raw performance in either productivity or even gaming anymore. I am rooting for alder lake as I dont know what would happen if intel cant pump out a 10nm desktop chip next generation. I honestly think people wouldn’t buy intel anymore if they release ANOTHER 14nm chip after MORE 10m setbacks. Intel will always be fine as a company due to embedded systems and enterprise clients, but they might literally be done in the DIY market if they cant get alder lake out successfully. I am excited for alder lake though. Lastly I do hope we see a zen 3 refresh that stays on am4 so we have one more upgrade on our current am4 boards. Zen 3 + on either a more refined 7nm or a 5 or 6nm that isnt ready for zen 4 yet would be great. Imagine 5 ghz all core boost clocks with 5-10% more ipc than zen 3. All on am4. Thats my dream. I want one more upgrade on my current board as am5 will have some teething issues due to ddr5 and typical issues associated with new platforms.
For normal air and water cooling is there an advantage in using TG Cryonaut over Hydronaut or even Aeronaut? I guess those names refer to the cooling type one is running, right?
I tested two chips now. But only at AIO. One 11700K and it was "crap", no more CInebench R20 than 4900 MHz. impossible to get higher. Now 11900K and can run up to 5200 MHz R20 (but at high voltage). And on the table I have 11900KF, propably I will test next week.
At 12:45 you say their operational systems are properly setup... Is there a video or any kind of guide on this? Or any chance you'd make a rant-utorial for us plebs?
I'm thinking if they would have kept the cache proportions equal to the Tiger Lake (1.25MB L2, 3MB L3 per core) it would probably keep up with Ryzen, and maybe even exceed it. The ones they released (512kB L2, 2MB L3 per core) just aren't good enough.
TGL is a completely different core design, and the die already is gigantic with this small amount of cache. We're getting Alder Lake and the 8 core TGL CPUs soon anyways, nobody except overclockers should buy 11th gen
Buildzoid would I experience more benefit in my 2700x build adding another 16 gig of my trident Z 3200mhz CL16 or replacing it with 16GB of Patriot Viper Steel. My current memory is E-Die Samsung
According to a certain site, the 11900k (or was it 10900k) is by far the fastest CPU up to 8 cores. I wonder if that is the truth if running non stop with a full constant workload. I still wouldn't buy it for that because it loses by a higher percentage for work done per watt.
Have you tried Coolalab products? Their Liquid Pro/Ultra products were Conductonaut alternatives that were way cheaper but didn't last as long. But the latest formula (Extreme) seems to last really well while still being a third of the price of conductonaut.
that hicookie showed gamers nexus how to overclock ....i wonder how many months he had to play with that motherboard since he works for gigabyte.....i remember steve went to taiwan to learn from him and that was at least 5 months before they launched the 9900k
I generally lean towards AMD doing good things these days. However - just my thoughts on the 11x family. 1. Intel continues to FUCKING AMAZE me with what they squeeze out of 14nm. Amaze. That being said, its reheat/rehash - and you can only do this so long. 2. The high end isn't interesting. As much as people might squeeze more out on LN or similar, the 11900k and similar is just sat as far as you can go. Its too expensive. 3. Intel midrange is priced right, perf is good, its available in channel. AM4 is basically now end of life, so the Mobo/socket challenge of 'upgrade-able' is done for AMD. This is a hard budget space, so its about good price/perf and not being overly concerned about much beyond that. 4. The XE drivers will be out in a few weeks. A huuuuuuuuuuuuge chunk of die space is due to the GPU piece. I don't know what that perf will be, but - BUT - if its actually AMD beating its a game changing piece given how crippled GPU space is right now. 5. I still 'technically' prefer AMD, but we're back to a state now where its all well beyond 4 core count, and we as the consumers win win win. Amazing time as its a window of exploding innovation that had basically died until AMD started gamechanging. Nuff said.
Rocket Lake's iGPU only has 32EUs, so it isn't going to be great. Fully enabled, Tiger Lake has 96EUs, and it wins sometimes against the AMD APUs and loses sometimes. The Xe graphics are going to be fine for desktop use, you get Quick Sync video encoding (which is better than the awful old encoder in AMD APUs), and Intel has better Linux support. But AMD is still going to be better for APU gaming than Rocket Lake. Of course, even something like an RX 580 or a 1060 will run circles around any APU.
so basicly the core architecture updates look promising?! cant wait for the the actual 10nm operational :D (or maybe like kaby and skylake wait for the second gen :D:D:D )
What a waste of helium. We are literally running out and can't make any more. Humanity is going to be sent rocketing back into the stone ages in less than 50 years and they are wasting it on all core over clocks for a frequency validation?
My 10900KF would run my GSKILL 3600 Trident Royal Z in XMP on my MSI Z490 Godlike mobo, but when I swapped in the 11900K yesterday, that CPU will not POST in XMP. 2666 is all it will do. I shot an email to MSI, and they replied, "seem like the processor's memory controller does not like the XMP setting with your memory module."
just select the frequency see if the board will train on its own. if it does post its a certain timing that 11th gen doesnt like. if not then its bios issues
@@bigcazza5260 I've been working with it all afternoon, but it won't POST above 2666. I tried setting a manual frequency just one step above stock 2666 in the BIOS with no luck. I agree with Buildziod's & John Jenkins' repies, which is why I emailed MSI to let them know. I was surprised that in less than 6 hours, MSI replied and blamed the CPU's memory controller. I had at least hoped they would take a closer look at the issue.
@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking Thank you , I'll keep running with stock memory timings for now and hope that MSI stops blaming the CPU's memory controller. That reply from them was a bit disturbing.
@John Jenkins Thanks, but I decided when I got the Z490 Godlike that it and the Z490 Ace would be the only MSI mobos in the LGA1200 lineup for me. I've got two Maximus XII Hero mobos as well, but they don't have Gen 4 M.2 sockets, so 10th gen CPUs are staying in them. The 10900KF went into the MSI Ace mobo, since it doesn't have an IGPU power stage anyway, so I've got the 10900KF and 11900K systems side by side.
"turns out, I just really like crazy numbers"
Truer words have never been spoken about XOC.
World record talkshow thing where you either talk with people in a voice chat/get info and then talk solo about it? I'd be up for that
I do miss the old OCTV show, so many things have changed since then, so not sure if now is even a good time to consider a return if at all possible. it is always fun when BZ or GN chats with others in the industry. B)
About the video, it's not a dumb format. At all. Cool to learn about the benches and the crazy scores, and having one of those every once in a while explaining why some score got hugely better while others seem stuck is a nice idea. Will definitely look forward to more videos like this!
"Gear 2 mode go brrrr" lol I love when you just blurt out memes. Also we want more HWBOT videos whenever possible :)
lol still first
second kek
DId you try to play NFS 2015 with Unite mod on?
LUL
LMAO
Kekw
I like the format! Hearing you break down/talk about the scores and hardware is super interesting.
45:28
Just realized what i've been doing for the past 45 minutes... great!...
You didn't put any youtube ads in to interrupt you, so it's a great video!
I like @Buildzoid’s idea to cover a few set of scores rather than a 45 minute video.
But still always love hearing him passionately talk about extreme oc
That's such a baller move from ASUS! I respect it, and hope they don't ever give it up, although I would understand if they also did the same thing with fewer cores in addition to the all-core oc
it's great having competition in xoc. with both gigabyte and asrock rejoining, performance are being pushed harder
1:25 yes, pls turn this into a regular thing
Ok you convinced me, I ll buy 11900k now
Hahaha , silly nab
Better buy Liquid Nitrogen canisters with it.
bruh
@@nityanandsaswade5003 if possible liquid helium tanks
i like the CPU Frequency submissions that leave all of the Cores enabled. because it's harder to do that, i think it's more impressive. :)
Totally. May as well stick to modern celeron otherwise
Semiregular benchmark score news/discussion series? I'm in for sure.
The mini interviews are a good ide with the overclockers, some input about the rig or the process would be nice! Good content btw
I personally really like videos like this where you're talking about things you like, without scripting or strict formatting.
you attached a rocket to your car and then a trailer
me who tows several tons at 150 in v8
kek
I like your long videos haha I don't mind rambling, I do it too so I can't complain
I have to say bench wise im having a fun time with the 11900k...
3mins in and we have already seen the 11900k is slower than an fx8350. Bad news for bintel.
I like the news! Totally great to listen to your thoughts on these
7:38 i think there is a good case to be made that getting a certain frequency on all cores is a harder achievement, than getting it on just one. It could be a different category.
nah going through all the cores on a CPU to find the best one takes more time and CPU-z valids are basically just a binning + time sink.
@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking I dont agree. Since they are the motherboard builder being able to show 7.3 Ghz on all cores when another brand only manage 7.314 with just 3 cores actually show significant stability gain on a MB. At those kind of clockspeeds it very clear even the groupdelay times on the different copper leads and components have significant impact if it will work or not. That is why single dual core processors can clock so much higher. Meanwhile I agree the Asus team should have run also a low core sample.
I don't know if you are aware of this, but Ryzen isn't capable of doing 512 AVX - it isn't implemented.
So good luck trying to find a Ryzen score in the Y-Cruncher benchmark.
i really enjoyed this one, its a perspective on hardware you dont get if you arent in the xoc scene with at least one foot. and reviews have mostly been "waste of sand" so getting to hear something else was a nice change of pace.
also, about the as few cores as possible vs all cores when going for max clockspeed: imo, getting the biggest number is impressive, period. however, getting the biggest number, or a number very close to it, with all cores enabled is at least as impressive, if not a display of luck (because you have a core thats equally good across the board, or which has very high clocking lemon cores).
it could be interesting to check/compare results by treating max frequency in general and max frequency all cores enabled as separate categories
It's a good idea for a channel, that has "overclocking: in it's name, to keep tabs on the best overclocking scores in the world.
So bottom line i shouldn't upgrade from my 9900k ? :P :P (great video man)
@@eplus341 Absolutely .I mean this 8 core back and forth thing drives me bonkers although i love Intel.In my case with Music Production and stuff i think stability is the goal where Intel thrives but boy that Thread ripper is really tempting (they do have compatibility issues with various softs and hardware ) . Bottom line again its a no for me. (8700k is great btw)
Still on my 8086K and 4790K.
Nope I'm keeping my 9900k till DDR5 RAM comes out at this point.
@@eplus341 I'm sill on an x58 LGA 1366 56xx at 4.6ghz all core stable for the last 11 years lol (it will do 5.2+ but I don't trust it at those voltages).
Until a graphics card needs more than PCIE 2 x16 to maximize its performance, I'm not upgrading, either lol. Almost nobody needs to unless they are using their computer as an actual workstation that utilize the crazy transfer speeds of PCIE 4.
@@eplus341 I am still rocking a 4790k and I don't see a reason to upgrade too. It is fine for 1080p gaming even today.
I think if you want to help get more people into XOC, you should make a video on which OS to use for a given benchmark, and how to properly config / mod said OS.
I imagine some OS tweaks are closely guarded secrets...but a lot of them are probably common knowledge among all of the top OCers.
Why not compile those commonly known OS mods into a video for anyone that is considering getting into XOC, to help level the playing field a little?
Newbies are still going to have all the disadvantages of not knowing what they're doing and not having unlimited funds to buy and bin tonnes of hardware.
This would make the formidable uphill battle ahead of them seem less daunting and encourage newcomers IMO.
I find the "how it's made" format very interesting.
As for length, it really does not bother me. To be honest, I can listen to a Buildzoid video while doing my own tinkering. Or while doing some menial task (I know Buildzoid loves sorting/tidying ;). Or I listen in 10, 15 or 20 minute sections.
Wow... Intel really should include water block+pump combo as stock cooler or something!
It worked for AMD!
Ln2 pot and tank of ln2
Definitely a cool video!
7:27 TRUTH
I used to get so much bad comment on 'WHY YOU DONT CLOCK ALL THE CORES' when doing XOC runs, when we're basically just trying to get a clock validation for a FASTEST SINGLE core on that silicon.
And now the funny part is that more CPU starts to support per-core ratio, we can have a situation where the CPU-Z will show that it is 'all-core' active, yet ONLY one of them actually being clocked that high - and the NEWS reporting it will still say it's an 'all-core' overclock :p
will you ever write english versions of your reviews?
@@milchkopf3881 Sorry, my english is pretty bad and probably not suited for written review. But still learning though, so I might do it if there's spare time :)
Great informative video! Sat through the entire 49 minutes
Did anyone tell you that you could do a voice over for Kermit the Frog? I'm confident your voice can be used for a convincing illusion of extending original content with people thinking it was old, lost and recently found.
Yay for this format. pleas do more :D
I mean we all knew rocket lake would need more cooling then an RBMK reactor
You said "If they built the 1100k on 10 nanometer it might clock even worse". Then I fell asleep, but if you didn't address this later in the video, maybe you could do another one where you drive your race car around and ramble about Rocket Lake. I love those rambling race car videos. I am also not opposed to making more HWBOT monthly videos. I might learn something.
Cool that Rauf is high in the scores. He is Swedish and hangs out on the same OC forum as me. I am not a hard-core OC though just running a 9700K at 5ghz on an AIO so pretty casual.
I enjoyed this video alot! Really hope to see more videos like this in the future!
Buildzoid is MY bestfriend:)
You probably know by now but I'm pretty sure CPUz wasn't reading voltage correctly
I think the reasl question is... why is Buildzoid getting 5 OURA smart rings adds...
I’d like to start getting into XOC but I can’t afford the equipment for LN2. What are your thoughts on using dry ice instead?
I got into ln2 about a year and a half ago, and buying hardware and ln2 without help is very difficult to compete. I still enjoy doing it.
Did you transition to dry ice first or right from ambient to ln2? Maybe a chiller or phase either?
@@Onewolfoc tried dry ice first, did it one time. I went right to ln2 after that due to how messy dry ice is.
@@Apollo-Computers really huh i went to dry ice awhile ago been having a hell of a time getting ln2 around here for less then total robbery pricing (4USD/L) never had a issue with the pots I've been building and designing far as the mess though I have a extended top and a gasket that most pots don't have. If you 3d print a pla gasket for existing commercial pots (like KPs, romans, bartx pots ect) they should seal assuming some pressure from the mounting hardware and keep any alcohol or acetone from splashing about to much or making it out from the machined surface between the copper base and the top.
@@Onewolfoc yes ln2 can be pricey, if I only get my 35l dewar filled I pay $2 litre, but if I get 180l tank delivered, it's $170 plus one year tank lease $300. My guy said he's going to get me a good discount and contract pricing when I order the big tank. But getting hardware is impossible for me atm.
@@Apollo-Computers yea I have the opposite problem in both aspects. I have hardware out the wazoo + the local airgas ln2 distro center is run by a total prick can't get anything better then highway robbery pricing when I know of many people in the US getting 2 bucks a L or even cheaper pricing from them. I have one other supplier I might be able to try but I can get dry ice so darn cheap (down to 65 cents a lb) so that's been a good option for me right now I till I can source ln2 for a reasonable price
G'day Buildzoid,
I really enjoyed the Format of this video, although not planning to do it myself I have been enjoying the LN2 OC content from You, G/N, Bearded Hardware & Jay, I liked Joe's comment "It's like Top Fuel Drag Racing for PCs" so going through the records & having some explanation of how they get there is really Cool,
Although not going to the extreme of LN2 I have been gathering parts for OCing with Air & AIO cooling on LGA1155, I have made myself a TestBench with an ASUS Maximus V Extreme, for CPUs to play with I have Pentium G2120, i3-3240, i5-3570K & i7-3770K, as I want to see how Core scaling also behaves,
For GPUs I have an ASUS RX570Strix, Sapphire RX480Nitro+ (which I have had to 1440MHz stable in Heaven) plus 2 GTX760s, a Gigabyte OC 2GB & EVGA SC 4GB, I am hoping to get some better than 1600MHz Green PCB RAM too but it's not really a good time to expand my setup,
I am learning quite a bit from your content & when something hasn't sunk in it is great I can go back & watch again,
Thanks for all the "Awesome' OC content
With fairly minimal effort you could bench dry ice. There are a few decent pots for that out there you might be able to scoop up for cheap used or if you want a decent evaporator for cheapish you can make one on a good drill press if your careful about the design. Just a idea for you to consider
@@Onewolfoc G'day, yeah that would be good & I did think about it, but due to a head injury that has cause nerve damage I shake similar to Parkinson's Disease,
so it is not that I don't want to go SubZero I'm too messy to go SubZero, I struggle to even pour myself a drink in a normal cup without making a huge mess, I would need a pot the size of an ITX mobo 🙄, Air & AIO's are the way to go for me 😁,
I have a good Coolerbox so if I get bored with Air & stock AIO I am was thinking of extending an AIO to use that as a reservoir with ice in the water,
I have extended one before to add a GPU, but I just needed a little help refilling, my cousin is happy to do that but as he is not into computers so he will get really bored & cranky if I ask him to help me bench all day SubZero 😞
@@shaneeslick well I'm sorry to hear about your injury. Sounds like you have quite a bit though there. I'm not sure if you would be into the idea or not but I think I might have a idea for you to get a little more overclocking headroom that might be worth a thought. Sounds like you can pretty well do water cooling. Would it be possible for you to do a water chiller? Or single or multi stage phase ? You can convert a window AC unit fairly easily into a water chiller or if your good with a bit lesser performance a HC500 would work pretty well and get you around 0 degrees enough that you could get a bit more headroom. I'm not sure if any of those ideas would work for you or even if you'd be interested either. I just thought I'd toss the idea out there. I also have a idea on how a evaporator for dry ice could be modified to possibly suit your needs if you really wanted to pursue any of this stuff further. Just some thoughts - from a friendly neighborhood nerd :)
@@Onewolfoc yeah they seem like good ideas for 'maybe in the future', I am still rearranging thigs to give me room in my little Unit/Apartment so I can even have the Testbench setup full time, as at the moment I have to use my PC Desk or Dining Table, I am looking at making myself a space for a desk with shelves plus a Flat Surface big enough for the Test bench & to build LEGO as that's what I do for hand-eye coordination therapy, but I will get there, just gotta take one day at a time 😁
@@shaneeslick well wish you the best and have fun benching!
We now need a Gear2Down mode now from nvidia to come full circle.
Putting a rocket on your car and then towing a trailer sounds like a great way to vaporize your cargo
Maybe its an even better analogy that way
Celeron fam WHERE U AT??!
"The ONE thing the 11900K is good for!"
Setting DDR4 world records.
Can you please add timestamps?
I dont have so much internet to watch a full 49 min video
You might get some power balancing if more than 1 core is active... but may not need all cores active.
Ian from Anand tech said in his CZcams channel (Tech Tech potato) that 10nm would cost to much as the failure rate is high.
for the same price roughly as an 11900k my 5900X gets 8400 in Cinebench R20 out of the box
9:08 that Galax OC Fish is so fucking cute
47:00 yeah that would be really cool
I have a theory why ASUS may not be going 'all out' with single-core clocks, aside from that may have been an early beta BIOS with non-functional per core clocks. for a corporation that makes the part to be entering into a competition competing against individuals without access to trade-secrets of the parts, is a bit unsportsmanlike, especially if they're using the trade secrets to effectively cheat. so eh. a demo that their board is good, yet not going so far as to cheat, maybe.
My guess was "house heater".
Close.
Droopy LLC is my band name
"BRAVE n00b WORLD"
I see what you did there :)
they should have an all core freq bench and single... why not...?
Like to know where everybody is getting there 11900k chips from
First thing on my mind: "testing paste"
This CPU is cheap today and doesnt bottleneck the 3080 at all.
Get a clean OS so we can see you in the Top 10
Is it actually possible to get an accurate benchmark when it's running prioritised I/O and a pre-emptive kernel in the background?
I’m rooting for intel even tho I run amd in my computer. I want intel to succeed as competition is good for everyone. Look at the zen 3 prices. Obviously amd raised the prices knowing intel couldn’t compete on raw performance in either productivity or even gaming anymore. I am rooting for alder lake as I dont know what would happen if intel cant pump out a 10nm desktop chip next generation. I honestly think people wouldn’t buy intel anymore if they release ANOTHER 14nm chip after MORE 10m setbacks. Intel will always be fine as a company due to embedded systems and enterprise clients, but they might literally be done in the DIY market if they cant get alder lake out successfully. I am excited for alder lake though. Lastly I do hope we see a zen 3 refresh that stays on am4 so we have one more upgrade on our current am4 boards. Zen 3 + on either a more refined 7nm or a 5 or 6nm that isnt ready for zen 4 yet would be great. Imagine 5 ghz all core boost clocks with 5-10% more ipc than zen 3. All on am4. Thats my dream. I want one more upgrade on my current board as am5 will have some teething issues due to ddr5 and typical issues associated with new platforms.
For normal air and water cooling is there an advantage in using TG Cryonaut over Hydronaut or even Aeronaut?
I guess those names refer to the cooling type one is running, right?
I tested two chips now. But only at AIO. One 11700K and it was "crap", no more CInebench R20 than 4900 MHz. impossible to get higher. Now 11900K and can run up to 5200 MHz R20 (but at high voltage). And on the table I have 11900KF, propably I will test next week.
I do like all core validations tho
I could not even do 5ghz with 1.35v
keep calm and raise Vcore
How is it that the old AMD fx 8 core CPUs didn't fry when running at 1.34v and these rocket lake cpus need liquid nitrogen?
ROG CPUZ shows different voltage. I dont know what it measures though, its not vcore.
I thought it was all core
I've always wondered on how some XOC guys can fake vcore, like running 1.85v and having it show up at 1.1v in cpu-z.
Dam are we fat shaming windows 7 now
At 12:45 you say their operational systems are properly setup... Is there a video or any kind of guide on this? Or any chance you'd make a rant-utorial for us plebs?
I'm thinking if they would have kept the cache proportions equal to the Tiger Lake (1.25MB L2, 3MB L3 per core) it would probably keep up with Ryzen, and maybe even exceed it. The ones they released (512kB L2, 2MB L3 per core) just aren't good enough.
TGL is a completely different core design, and the die already is gigantic with this small amount of cache.
We're getting Alder Lake and the 8 core TGL CPUs soon anyways, nobody except overclockers should buy 11th gen
Larger cache comes with latency penalty. In fact, TGL is slower than ICL clock-for-clock in some benchamarks because of it.
Buildzoid would I experience more benefit in my 2700x build adding another 16 gig of my trident Z 3200mhz CL16 or replacing it with 16GB of Patriot Viper Steel.
My current memory is E-Die Samsung
It seems that people are using geekbench 3, Why is that, isn't there already geekbench 5 available? or am I missing something?
Buildzoid, why don't you use liquid hydrogen as a cheap liquid helium alternative? ;) Of course best to use in an open space so not to blow up :)
I wonder what the max benching frequency is on that chip
According to a certain site, the 11900k (or was it 10900k) is by far the fastest CPU up to 8 cores. I wonder if that is the truth if running non stop with a full constant workload. I still wouldn't buy it for that because it loses by a higher percentage for work done per watt.
Have you tried Coolalab products?
Their Liquid Pro/Ultra products were Conductonaut alternatives that were way cheaper but didn't last as long. But the latest formula (Extreme) seems to last really well while still being a third of the price of conductonaut.
This video isn't even appearing on the channel's "Videos" list. Looks like I'm early and CZcams is broken again.
that hicookie showed gamers nexus how to overclock ....i wonder how many months he had to play with that motherboard since he works for gigabyte.....i remember steve went to taiwan to learn from him and that was at least 5 months before they launched the 9900k
This was interesting.
I generally lean towards AMD doing good things these days. However - just my thoughts on the 11x family.
1. Intel continues to FUCKING AMAZE me with what they squeeze out of 14nm. Amaze. That being said, its reheat/rehash - and you can only do this so long.
2. The high end isn't interesting. As much as people might squeeze more out on LN or similar, the 11900k and similar is just sat as far as you can go. Its too expensive.
3. Intel midrange is priced right, perf is good, its available in channel. AM4 is basically now end of life, so the Mobo/socket challenge of 'upgrade-able' is done for AMD. This is a hard budget space, so its about good price/perf and not being overly concerned about much beyond that.
4. The XE drivers will be out in a few weeks. A huuuuuuuuuuuuge chunk of die space is due to the GPU piece. I don't know what that perf will be, but - BUT - if its actually AMD beating its a game changing piece given how crippled GPU space is right now.
5. I still 'technically' prefer AMD, but we're back to a state now where its all well beyond 4 core count, and we as the consumers win win win. Amazing time as its a window of exploding innovation that had basically died until AMD started gamechanging.
Nuff said.
Rocket Lake's iGPU only has 32EUs, so it isn't going to be great. Fully enabled, Tiger Lake has 96EUs, and it wins sometimes against the AMD APUs and loses sometimes.
The Xe graphics are going to be fine for desktop use, you get Quick Sync video encoding (which is better than the awful old encoder in AMD APUs), and Intel has better Linux support. But AMD is still going to be better for APU gaming than Rocket Lake. Of course, even something like an RX 580 or a 1060 will run circles around any APU.
So 11th gen is like F1 formula which is useless mostly other than overclocking at crazy numbers.
45:30 short videos should be roughly 45 minutes, fuck the haters....I gotta waste my Sunday morning somehow
running a stirling engine
Testing huge coolers?
so basicly the core architecture updates look promising?! cant wait for the the actual 10nm operational :D (or maybe like kaby and skylake wait for the second gen :D:D:D )
CZcams A.I. gone rogue.
This is a cool videoformat.
show us your best scores.
What a waste of helium. We are literally running out and can't make any more. Humanity is going to be sent rocketing back into the stone ages in less than 50 years and they are wasting it on all core over clocks for a frequency validation?
What a waste of silicon and an even bigger waste of LHe.....
11900 Kelvin
My 10900KF would run my GSKILL 3600 Trident Royal Z in XMP on my MSI Z490 Godlike mobo, but when I swapped in the 11900K yesterday, that CPU will not POST in XMP. 2666 is all it will do. I shot an email to MSI, and they replied, "seem like the processor's memory controller does not like the XMP setting with your memory module."
the 11th gen BIOSs right now are very unfinished.
just select the frequency see if the board will train on its own. if it does post its a certain timing that 11th gen doesnt like. if not then its bios issues
@@bigcazza5260 I've been working with it all afternoon, but it won't POST above 2666. I tried setting a manual frequency just one step above stock 2666 in the BIOS with no luck. I agree with Buildziod's & John Jenkins' repies, which is why I emailed MSI to let them know. I was surprised that in less than 6 hours, MSI replied and blamed the CPU's memory controller. I had at least hoped they would take a closer look at the issue.
@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking Thank you , I'll keep running with stock memory timings for now and hope that MSI stops blaming the CPU's memory controller. That reply from them was a bit disturbing.
@John Jenkins Thanks, but I decided when I got the Z490 Godlike that it and the Z490 Ace would be the only MSI mobos in the LGA1200 lineup for me. I've got two Maximus XII Hero mobos as well, but they don't have Gen 4 M.2 sockets, so 10th gen CPUs are staying in them. The 10900KF went into the MSI Ace mobo, since it doesn't have an IGPU power stage anyway, so I've got the 10900KF and 11900K systems side by side.
''The ONE thing the 11900K is good for!'' 50 minutes long video. You are really putting those clickbaiter to shame Buildzoid.
HI Question....
That 5200 C14 ram...
What brand of manufacturer? And die???
Samsung B-die
@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking wow. Ok.
I have the 4400 viper kit. My tune is garbage I guess, lop
Arctic MX5 is good ??? beter or worse Galid GC Extreame