Steven Pinker: Progress, Despite Everything
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- Dr. Steven Pinker is the Johnstone Family Professor in the Department of Psychology at Harvard University, and has taught, additionally, at he has also taught at Stanford and MIT. He’s an experimental psychologist who conducts research in visual cognition, psycholinguistics, and social relations. Dr. Pinker grew up in Montreal and earned his BA from McGill and his PhD from Harvard. He has won numerous prizes for his research, his teaching, and his ten books, including The Language Instinct, How the Mind Works, The Blank Slate, The Better Angels of Our Nature, and The Sense of Style. He is an elected member of the National Academy of Sciences, a two-time Pulitzer Prize finalist, a Humanist of the Year, a recipient of nine honorary doctorates, and one of Foreign Policy’s “World’s Top 100 Public Intellectuals” and Time’s “100 Most Influential People in the World Today.” He is Chair of the Usage Panel of the American Heritage Dictionary, and writes frequently for The New York Times, The Guardian, and other publications. Enlightenment Now: The Case for Reason, Science, Humanism, and Progress was his most recent and bestselling book, published in February 2018 (see Penguin/Random House at bit.ly/2JGbaqs or Amazon.com at amzn.to/2S8pbBj).
- Chapters -
(0:00) Intro
(2:00) Running toward controversy
(4:45) Unsung positives of human flourishing
(9:15) Despite inequality…
(11:50) The hard right and the hard green
(13:45) Progress is human led
(15:24) The most important graph in the world
(17:50) Ayn Rand, objectivism, the Pareto principle
(19:42) Optimal hierarchies
(23:22) Montreal and gilded prisons
(25:10) The debate over inequality
(28:11) Group identity and cultural microcosms
(32:30) Multiculturalism, blood and soil nationalism
(34:55) The American experiment: conceptual nation building
(39:04) The basis in human worth, divine or self evident?
(49:00) Tribalism and puritanical corruption
(53:47) Nationalism, the rise of global consciousness
(56:25) The IDW’s most surprising member
(58:10) A ridiculous club, the uniting factors
(1:00:02) Respecting the viewer
(1:02:13) Personal consequences
(1:04:34) Credible optimism
(1:09:05) Being a force for good
(1:12:28) The apocalypse is behind us
(1:17:58) What’s next for Steven Pinker
(1:21:14) Relationships and rejection,
(1:25:58) An invitation, Ben Shapiro
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I really appreciate what you guys said about not assuming your audience is stupid. I've been following Peterson for a couple of years now and have integrated many deep psychological lessons into my life from his teachings. I am a 23 year old white, male factory worker with a high school education and I understand many of these high level conversations and apply them to my life regularly. They have helped tremendously. What I don't understand I can easily learn about via the Internet. Thank you for not talking down or being elitist toward the working class. I will do my best to reciprocate and pay these lessons forward throughout my life.
@Pippin Strano Thanks!! :)
I wonder how many Peterson followers also follow the Kardashians? That's part of the problem. When such stupidity is watched by so many (the Kardashians I mean), can we really blame mainstream media for being so shallow? Take the old cable History Channel for example. It started off fantastic, but they soon discovered that low brow documentaries drew in higher ratings.
What does being white have to do with being stupid?
@@MrChickencooper nothing, he just said that because today's mainstream politicians and midia would tell you so.
@@andrewthomas695 "When such stupidity is watched by so many, can we really blame mainstream media for being so shallow?"
I.M.O: This point is PROFOUNDLY relevant/important in regards to conceding the causation's for the current state of our(species) misguided/shallow focus',
I think the answer is a blatantly obvious "NO WE CAN'T"(blame M-S-media), but the demographic you're alluding to make up the majority, and unfortunately majority rules.
I often orient that same point around music in hopes of alluding to the very same sentiment.
"Why does shitty pop-music rooted in vapid and one dimensional focus' sell the most units/profit the most?"
I understand that age demographics affect this outcome, but I also have a intricate understanding of how/where and why the vast majority of said demographic stands to epitomize the narrow thought scopes these groups are operating under.
It's almost as if there's a correlation between said focus, and an individuals ability to recognize, accept and remedy the hindrances which said focus NECESSARILY amounts to.
Round and round we/they go.
“You can tell me what you think about this” says Jordan to Steve. Isn’t it refreshing to hear this kind of real conversation !
Indeed.
Talking to each other is the cure to our political climate, that's not heated but literally burning and leading to some form of imploding.
Let's go back to heated, and eventually cool down a bit. Better for all us, being disciplined adult humans and no chimpanzees throwing a tantrum.
Let's quit putting words in each other's mouth and genuinely talk.
Steven Pinker has the best hair in science.
Einstein is smiling down on him from wherever he is.
This is my fav comment :D
Agreed.
I think he has it, as a constant reminder that there are some things science cannot solve :)
Brian May of Queen 😉
Doctor Peterson, I'm so happy to see you here. I hope your wife is getting better. Thank you for everything you have done for my family. We love you very much. Thank you.
@First Name Last Name czcams.com/video/yL-j1Tnn67Y/video.htmlh05m11s
@@natelawrence Did she get better? Is there any breakthrough cuz I heard she has something rare and dangerous.
Y’all worship a man that blamed sexual harassment in the workplace on red lipstick, who has been debunked many times
@@TaraCarmelina your comment is so weak. In just one comment you have expressed, very accurately, just how uneducated, bitter and resentful you are.
Hope your wife is feeling better - best wishes x
@@thunderstruck1078 memetic transference just happens dude. No one OWNS a meme
@@thunderstruck1078 , "THAT MEME IS COPYRIGHTED"
@@thunderstruck1078 not stealing - spreading
Dude, nobody will take you seriously with that picture.
Tammy is not well? omg what is she sick with?? So sorry to hear, get well soon! :)
17:40 "Obesity is a bigger problem than starvation." He should have emphasized that more -- this is probably the first time in history that this statement could be made.
You did. And that’s a great thing.
Yuval Noah Harrari ,,stated this in his master piece Homo Deus though..
@@SonuNigamUnofficial that author is absolutely brilliant, shows many parallels with Jung imo.
Obesity is literally a bigger problem.
@Insidious Sid Africa now has more obese people than starving people.
I still tend to think that starvation is a bigger problem despite it concerns fewer people. I prefer 10 obese people over 1 starving person.
‘Thats a ridiculously interesting point’ is now my favourite quote of the year
Hope your wife is feeling better, Dr. Peterson. You are so appreciated. Thank you for all you do. 👏🏼
There is absolutely no content on the internet that I would more rather watch than this. Just pure gold.
Gold > mold
@@Hibernial wha?
Mohammad Zaghloul Lol sorry. Just agreeing with you. A lot of JP’s content and interviews are gold. The rest of a lot of stuff out there is like mold on bread.
@@Hibernial okay, now it makes sense. I would've never been able to derive that from your initial comment 😂
I like both of these gents a lot, but I'd spice things up with a bit of Fry.
finally i can justify my procrastination for 90 more minutes. thank you!
Andrew Yang wants to give you $1000/month but you already get 1000 min/d watch 2x speed to save 45 min
Clean your room whilst you listen. That's what I'm doing.
@@ThinWhiteAxe good idea. but i played AoW while listening. damn you > me :(
ThinWhiteAxe that’s what I’m doing!
You can never procrastinate on your personality.
Love these interviews! I'd really like to see a step-up on the audio quality though.
Great discussion, the hope you bring is welcome. Reason amongst the fog of discontent. Thanks gents!
Thank you for all you do I hope you see this you have helped me get my life together.
@Hana Ayo Alemayehu What do you mean? He's not into safe spaces.
Hana Ayo Alemayehu is a muslim who wants Sharia law.
@Hana Ayo Alemayehu what guff do you spread?
Hana Ayo Alemayehu not to judge but what has that gotta do with what I wrote?
@Hana Ayo Alemayehu Lol what in the fuck? "Stop being a wimp?" You outta pocket man
It’s funny to me how the end of this video is just like awkward FaceTime goodbyes everywhere
Oh boy, oh boy, oh boy! Optimistic pesimist and optimistic optimist meet again! This will be a good thing to listen to! 😁
And also possibly: rational materialist and a rational humanist/spiritualist meet again!
Jordan. I love you. Stop interrupting.
I see your point. But remember, this is a discussion, not an interview, so Jordan's behaviour is consistent with such a format.
@@andrewthomas695 I am not sure if interruption is a behaviour consistent with the format of a professional and topical discussion. However, I can understand that dealing with interruption is a skill, too.
Andrew Thomas I don't care about format considerations. I care that interesting people want to come back.
I've got to 26'35". If Jordan interrupts one more time, I'm dropping off.
OK - 28' 06". I'm off.
Uh, two of my fav Psychologists .......
These two, haidt and a few beers would make a great conversation.. 😉
Kevin Ring learn to spell
The Abstract Learn to not be a douche
Agh yes, my bad on the typooo. 😉
But in fairness you have major spelling issues too.
'Dickhead' is clearly not spelt 'A-B-S-T-R-A-C-T'
@Kevin Ring. Ha ha ha ha, got um🤣
Clicked on the comments expecting to see “or a joint,” was severely disappointed.
Absolutely amazing - 2 of my favourite psychologist philosophers talking and making sense.
Both of you have been great for my mental health. Thank you both for your courage - to challenge my thinking!
Hear hear
Wonderfull! I love these guys so much, some sanity in a crazy world.
It makes me very happy to see so many people who are listening to these two. The positivity is overwhelming. Thanks for making my day people.
They both are a Treasure chest of knowledge.
@Hana Ayo Alemayehu What do you mean, not Jordan, explained it please.
@@ballkans If you take a look at Hana's page it's a time sink of ideological nonsense. Some people will go to extraordinary lengths to avoid cleaning their room.
@Hana Ayo Alemayehu you are the globgoglabgolab
@KRISPIRACY Pseudo-Psychologists, and Diversity Hires abound!
What a breathe of fresh air and reason. I am working through Steven Pinker's book. At 77 I have rediscovered my confidence in the future. Feels like I was in my 20;s again.
I'm trying to power through The Blank State right now just because I've heard so many people talk about it. I don't really know much about Steven Pinker but it's a name that seems to come up fairly often now.
Alan Morris Alan, which book is it you are reading? I know a few people around your age it maybe of benefit to. Thank you.
@@NaNa-wj8tw Enlightenment Now. When you get older, you get more disappointed about the state of the world. We grew up in a time when we were naive about a lot of the world's problems. We had real journalists who can the time to thoroughly investigate the issues of the day.
I thoroughly enjoyed this second conversation. It keeps getting better and more interesting. They really connected well this time around.
Canada, Montreal, and McGill should be absolutely proud to have cultivated two of the most influential intellectuals in the world today.
I’m glad Dr. Peterson invited Dr. Pinker to have another conversation -- this time in person. Third time’s the charm. Please make it happen!
One of the only reasons I like the easy access we have to the internet. Very valuable. .. . PRICELESS
Best wishes, Dr. Peterson. Hope your wife is doing well.
Excellent discussion, thank you both for everything your doing!
I love open, respectful, intellectual dialogue this was such a beautiful and beneficial experience listening to this interview. I am happy to have been introduced to Steven Pinker and I look forward to following his discussions as much as I do, Jordan Peterson's. Thank you Jordan.
What an extraordinarily informative conversation and because I study faces what a beautiful face and expression Dr.Steven Pinker really has.
Such a pleasure to be among the first few thousand viewers of this video. Always look forward to new ones!
There is a Canadian culture, and you should be proud of it (as observed from Australia)
thanks for taking the time to say that
@@macclift9956 Yes. Demographics is Destiny. Democracy always leads to corruption, and tyranny of the low IQ mob.
@@elainesabatino7467 what is demographics?
@@honeynmilk00 According to this online definition, Demographics are: "Statistical data relating to the population and particular groups within it."
"the demographics of book buyers" is the example this entry gave, but I'm talking about the demographics of the White majority nations, in West, that have been getting flooded with Non-Whites for decades.
@@elainesabatino7467 wouldn't we go back to primal tribalism that way? I mean, Jordan and Steven layed out the arguments for a multiplural society that lets different groups maintain key elements of their identity but that also has some universal principles or "rules to the game" in common in the country to make it a successful and harmonious one
Hallelujah. This is what academe was once all about.
Two scholars from different fields of study articulating their common insights as well as opposing insights in a rational environment. The tools are reason, empirical data, and a brilliant analysis of the data.
So simple. So brilliant. So productive.
Contributing much needed insights into the pool of human wisdom and advancement.
Always great to see a new video pop up in my feed. Steven Pinker is very smart.
I would love to hear the conversation you mentioned at the end of this video, but please don't limit it to an hour.
I've never seen Jordan that enamored with a person he was talking to. It made me so happy to see especially because Pinker's thoughts are so dear to me. Such an incredible discussion.
Yes I saw that from the intro the volume went up exponentially to the achievements He must be happy to have another intellectual to talk to.
I was thrilled to find the both had a conversation. They are fantastic.
It was exhausting JP would not allow Steven pinker to complete his thoughts. Clarity and data driven thinking of Pinker is refreshing!
I observed that too. Five times I think.
What are your fav books by Pinker? I was about to read some of his work to understand human nature
Aside from all of the hard work that people like you do, I think CZcams is having a major positive impact on people accessing this type of information. Keep it coming!!
Thank you, Jordan for sharing this! What a great conversation!
Mr. Peterson I love you and have followed you for the last year or so and appreciate your work. One suggestion: please buy a decent microphone! You just need a little mixer so you can still listen with headphones and get a quality recording.
This video made me feel more positive towards the future. Thank you.
Watching this conversation made me feel better. An informed optimist, that's rare. Thank you for sharing.
Much Thanks and Appreciation goes out to both Peterson and Pinker! God Bless them both and us for having heard their valuable words!
Never clicked a notification so fast
www.insidehighered.com/news/2019/07/17/steven-pinkers-aid-jeffrey-epsteins-legal-defense-renews-criticism-increasingly
@@bubbag8895 Totally irrelevant to the discussion here..
We must enjoy this video as long as we can. Before it get flagged as two old cis white men talking about progress and video gets removed by CZcams.
@@cluckycluck3053 That won't happen. Peterson and Pinker are Kosher approved.
Awesome discussion between my favorite Canadians, thanks!
I would love to see more discussion between these two. Really, I love seeing discussions between all of these very bright people. I look forward to Pinker's book and if there is a discussion featuring both Pinker and Shapiro with Jordan, I would be very excited.
This is a particularly close to my soul pairing being that once upon a time somewhat recently, I was a very depressed and unfortunate person and Jordan quoted Pinker's notation of the statistics...and there was a click that changed just about everything in my thinking. I'm very appreciative for both of these men and for the fact that we have this sort of thing available to us.
Steven Pinker is a leading cognitive scientist at Harvard University. He is one of the smartest brains out there.
Two among the greatest psychologists of our time. God bless.
@Hana Ayo Alemayehu Nope 2
@Hana Ayo Alemayehu good argument
@Hana Ayo Alemayehu idk I'll let you know if i find it
@Hana Ayo Alemayehu aaaaand there it is
You do realize you're the same thing you're making fun of?
@Hana Ayo Alemayehu 🐌
I’m very pleased to see the mighty Peterson speak to the amazing Pinker 🙏🙏🙏
I am not Christian, I am a practicing Buddhist so have found your recent, Christian conversations, less helpful.
This is the Peterson I was sold on
Do you need to be Christian for Christian conversations to be helpfull for you?
Love you Jordan! Thanks for your videos! Whenever I see your name on videos - always click to watch. Introduced your video to my husband - he loves you too! Greetings from Vancouver!
I would take Steven Pinker's classes JUST on the basis of the sound of his voice and his personality. He's the kind of guy that doesn't tell you how it is. He lets you know what we know and helps you work through any questions, and together you might discover something new to consider. It's the same with Dr. Peterson too.
Smart people talking about observable reality.. OUTRAGEOUS!
They are in abject fear of telling the truth about race and gender.
Observable reality is a socially constructed neo-reactionary conspiracy theory.
Yes, and making millions, shocking! Ha ha.
@@powertuber4.068 Yep! Peterson and Pinker are Controlled Opposition on steroids!
Thank you, Dr. Pinker and Dr. Peterson. Today I'm proud to be a Canadian! Two really sophisticated, unbelievably well-read, Canadian public intellectuals having a wonderfully elegant and infinitely informative conversation. It's very easy to spot the difference between Canadians and AmeriKKKans just by watching this civilized, extremely polite and profoundly enlightened exchange.
Just today?
Thank you for a very interesting conversation, guys. Well appreciated. ~ It helps me focus my mind on wonderful possibilities, & it helps me develop good listening skills !!
40:00-44:30 is a great section in the conversation that clearly demonstrates how Pinker and Peterson justify ethics differently.
It's great to wake up and see this video about GOOD news :)
00rphb It is nothing intrinsic about the oil, it happens to be the most convenient for us now and in the past but that does not mean that it is essential to prosperity and progress.
00rphb What you are saying doesn't contradict what I said. Yes, until now and probably for a while longer, it is very useful to us. That does not mean we will not discover alternative sources of energy that will do what we require or perhaps even more. We will need it to survive and when pressed humans are capable of greatness.
00rphb So you admit that there are other countries that consume less energy but are better off. Completely debunking your own notion that prosperity and progress is entirely linked with how much oil we use. How can that be the case. Clearly it cannot be the only factor and we do not have to stop progress.
00rphb Pinker is not just talking about GDP is he, not all human progress is because of oil. The staggering imrpovements in the third world for example. Economic growth, sure, I am sure that is partly the case though I would like to hear experts on the matter, I am sure it is more complicated.
I think you are assuming that about Norway. What basis to claim it must be because they have less air conditioning or swimming pools? Perhaps it is the case that you don't NEED oil to prosper. Usually reality is not so simple, there are many factors.
Of course I agree that we need to become less reliant on oil and search for alternate sources of energy. I believe that we are capable of it, especially if it is required to survive.
00rphb I believe that in a few decades it is highly likely we will have found good and sustainable sources of energy besides oil, you have to remember that technology is not only improving but at an exponential rate, a rate which few predicted. Literally just over 25 years ago there was no internet, think about how crazy that is when you really stop and think about it. Perhaps our destiny is to use oil as a stepping stone, to exploit it for all it's worth in order to reach the next thing which would otherwise not be possible.
Of course we are using oil at the expense of the environment and climate which is bad but just trying to see positives.
Two of the greatest psychologists on the planet. Get Johnathan Heidt in there and boom! The intellectual fandom would explode!
Jonathan Haidt ain’t too great...
@@JK-JRK why not?
I read his book, “The Happiness Hypothesis”, a few years back. In one of the early chapters, he claims something along the lines of “Well, of course there is no God...”. It takes an incredible degree of arrogance to make a statement like this so boldly and self-assuredly. I think I just found him a bit too hubristic...
@@JK-JRK hmm.. not sure why that discredited his psychological acumen?
I’m not discrediting his accomplishments, I just personally don’t enjoy his delivery. Mostly, I saw a good opportunity to rhyme, but discovered too late his name is not pronounced “hate”.
Wonderful conversation. Such a pleasure to listen to this. Please, keep up this amazing work. You broad audience IS smart and interested, Dr. Peterson, and very appreciative of such high quality content. I truly believe this. Sincerely, thank you.
Absolutely amazing interview. BTW you may want to edit the grammar in your video description. i.e - "and has taught, additionally, at he has also taught at Stanford and MIT"
Dr. Peterson, lovely conversation but it would make it just so much more pleasant if you did not keep interrupting Dr. Pinker mid-sentence at every other instance. I know you are passionate about the subjects you are touching in these conversations, but still. Take it as a bona fide advice from another passionate debater and all the best to you.
Cechia
*ANYTHING* posted on this channel means I want to experience it. *It is non political knowledge for free* bless this time in our world. ❤️ ☮️ ✊
Non-political? How the hell do you figure?
Daniel.... because dr. Peterson doesn’t frame nor look at the world with a political lens. Why are you swearing?
Daniel... I see you are antagonizing other people in the comment section... but why did my comment offend you so much? And why aren’t you answering? Why are you looking to disagree with everyone so much? May I ask... did you watch the entire video? Do you think I am your enemy?
@@theshoes7488 If he isn't a political figure, why has he associated himself with PragerU, the Heritage Foundation, Turning Point USA, Fox News, etc and constantly espouse blatant right wing views? It's not a crime to be right wing, but peterson deserves criticism for trying to pass himself off as apolitical
@@danielvincent1153 The old 'associates with' evidence. Well rounded individuals public and private can have conversations with a spectrum of people whether they are members of groups or not.
Personally I do think Peterson is more centre-right than the left he identifies although he might not realise it. Alt right is more than a bit of a stretch though.
Jordan you are a modern guru .. your messages may be rooted in historical stories but you bring them to light in the modern world and it truly exposes the the power of them to the regular man ... please continue your work, you are a light in the darkness that has consumed so many. you are an essential part of human progress and dissolution from feelings based governmental decisions, it is an attractive trap for the intrinsically empathetic people. you are a necessary force of resistance and opening peoples hearts to truth, logic and repercussion of feel good laws.
Two of my favourite scientific figures toghether! Its great.
I am from Brazil. It is no quite accurate that government increasing spending on welfare leads to prosperity in the bottom of the pyramid. Actually, the government increased taxes and social spending and led to economic recession and insolvency of state, reversing all short term gains. And all the gain was disproportionately captured by people in public jobs, what is unfair and unsustainable because they don't create wealth. Now, the government is getting the country out of the long recession with a classic liberal agenda, reforming the pensions system, lowering taxes and making the regulations business friendly. In my perception, most of the time government goes to left policies, the results are catastrophic in the middle to long run. Government takes money to spend in a inefficient fashion provoking most of the time obnoxious side effects even when the goals comes from good intentions. Take the social protection to poor single mothers that led to increasing poor single mothers rates.
Great comment, very good points. Single mother welfare was a huge huge mistake, even though (like everything) it was done with good intentions.
You never know what you might accidentally break with huge welfare programs for one gender in one situation (a mother without a man).
@phil osophical Things are getting better, but we still need some improvements. Read something about how you should act here and probably will be ok. also, try to visit Bonito, its a lovely place ;)
@phil osophical, it depends on the area. Brazil has some states very violent and others very safe. But in general, rural towns use to be much safer. What sites do you have in mind?
A lessen I fear we will learn too late in the U.S. Stay safe and prosper.
I completely disagree with the idea that inequality is a problem. It's not only not a problem, but it's also fair. People are not equally competent, not equally skilled, ambitious, creative, conscientious and responsible. People don't produce equally. To try to "solve" inequality would mean to take the property of the productive and give it to the non productive, also known as compulsory redistribution of wealth. It's a Marxist idea which goes against individual sovereignty and it's downright unjust and evil. The way out of poverty is only through individual responsibility, to which the welfare state is the very antithesis of.
the welfare state is set up to control populations and buy votes
it's not so they have wonderful lives...................
you're right, but you also need to keep in mind when large masses of people get angry and feel hopeless
It's hard to take as satisfactory "take personal responsibility" if you are born into abject poverty and in a den of crime.
So good to be not worried about dying this instant. I must say. So privileged here. Truly. Truly.
Iv been subbed for a long time but your videos dont appear in my subscription feed so im smashing that notification bell
I'd love to hear your take on Hans Hermann Hoppe's critique of Pinker's work.
Or Taleb's hahaha
Or Chomskys.
The problem with Pinker's work is that it has a clear bias, rather than an openness to uncomfortable possibilities.
He wouldn't be able to, Peterson is a moron!
hubris, example and specifically how it’s biased?
Pinker looks like an older Peterson! Or peterson looks like a younger pinker. Pik your poison lol. Love both you guys. SAVED MY LIFE!
I insist Pinker looks like a younger Peterson who was aged artificially, drank from the fountain of youth but then worked so hard that he looks older.
...maybe I'm overthinking this?
@@sorsocksfake fuckn epic!! Lol
Jordan you’re amazing. Would love to see you a bit more in some clash of ideas. Yiannis varoufakis would be a good subject.
I enjoy them both. I have read both their books and as a result I now realize we are good, getting better, the future looks to be better in ways that was once hard to fathom. It will take thought, work mistakes, learning, time and faith in our abilities.
I used to party with Steven at the discos in Boston in the 70’s. Man this guy could move. He was really into the bus stop and the bump. He hair would just bounce as he slid across the floor. He’d be doing the electric slide and then he’d switch to the robot and the girls would go wild. They called him “Jerry Curl Steve” if I remember correctly.
This is either complete bullshit or the coolest story ever.
Would love to see a conversation between Dr. Peterson and Richard Wolff.
Yes!
czcams.com/video/DzmtZYEbd0M/video.html There was an anti jordan peterson event where he spoke, if you hadn't come across it. I hadn't heard Wolffe before. He starts off sounding reasonable but by the end, I understand why purges are part and parcel with left extremists, as well as right extremists
Wolff is another boisterous air-pumping hipster. From what I've listen to him, he's not a Marxist at all. All he wants is reform of capitalism, while claiming the (capitalist) system must go and calling his "new" alternative Marxism.
@@wilmingtonlongman the right do not purge they avoid think Milo
@@Jacob011 All Marxism is doomed.
I like both these gentleman and their thinking. I think they do talk to every level of person cause they actually care about people on the individual level.
I'm happy I can live in times of such a brilliant minds. And the fact I have free access to it amazed me every day.
Fundamentally, religion takes the focus off of self-centered consuming to fulfill the basic tier of Maslow's Hierarchy (savagery); it refocuses on helping the needy and self-improvement (civility).
Those that rationalize the basic tier to be nihilistic may not necessarily need religion.
The regurgitation of nihlism.
Can someone mail Jordan a decent quality microphone please
Our boi here just needs a full equipment upgrade in general.
@@parker20125 true dat
This is from February 2018. he has since upgraded his tech!
Yeah, I believe this isn't his home, so he didn't carry around his kit it seems
It’s Pinkers mic that’s unclear JPs is perfect??
One of the most truthful, and yet also most resented, aspects of relationships is that the participants who care the least about maintaining the relationship often have most of the bargaining power in the relationship. I hated learning about this inevitably relevant part of all human experience. I still hate it. It rewards those who are the most thoughtless while penalizing those who are the most thoughtful. This tends to be most true of our short term relationships, and hopefully less true of our long term relationships over time. But it takes a great deal of time to have a coterie of comrades that can be so trusted,... or, at least, that is the actual practical experience of many of us. The self discipline to value the long term trust of a good friend over the short term satisfactions offered by betrayal,.. such self discipline is often neglected for too long a period of time.
I agree Mr Pinker's rational analysis of how things are going cheered me up! Even though we have a huge battle right now with human impacts and the pace at which we are able to act on solutions.
Lol I love Jordan but it seems like he gave up on trying not to interrupt people mid sentence hahaha! Jeesh Jordan let the guy finish his thought!
Not much that drives me crazier than interruption in an interview
The best advice for someone being interviewed by Peterson or others with a habit of interrupting, is to make your responses as brief and concise as possible, reducing the chances of being interrupted. That's not to say one should give answers that are more vague and less thoughtful, but to more promptly arrive at your conclusions.
@@ConsciousRobot yea or you can take the opposite approach like Eric Weinstein, be aggressive and be prepared to either say "hold on let me just finish" or be prepared to talk over Jordan in which case if you keep talking, after the first few words if it sounds like you're going to continue Jordan will let you keep going lol. It seems that half measures don't work with JBP lol.
Honestly, he was never really good at it. Guy is very excitable.
I think he was doing much better than in the previous talks :)
I've met Steven Pink and Steven Pinker, now if I eat my spinach and be a good boy, I may one day even meet Steven Pinkest!
i only slightly get this but yeahhh
@TootTootMcbumbersnazzle He is most certainly Pinker...Hopefully JBP can keep him from leveling up to full Pinkest....never go full Pinkest!
Well, wouldn't you know it? Here I am!
@@stevenpinkest5932 You just went full Pinkest.
Thank you for that discussion, greatly enjoyed
Oh my... I’ve enjoyed these two so much. Shinning eyes!
Professor Peterson please, with all due respect please upgrade your audio quality on these interviews they're so valuable to me but the audio is like killing me
yes and please PAY ATTENTION to the RELATIVE AUDIO LEVELS of the two speakers. In this clip there is at least a 10 dB difference.
I recently saw a graph that showed global increase in income over the past 30 years as a function of income level. In short, both the poorest and wealthiest have seen their incomes rise sharply whereas people with middle incomes have seen no increase. In other words, free trade between industrial countries and China have caused incomes to ride sharply in China and among the 1% of the wealthiest Westerners, but the incomes of the other 99% of Westerners has stagnated.
Yes. At the time of free trade discussions, we were told that the benefit to us would be lots of cheaper goods. I am amazed at the quantity and (poor quality) of stuff. Here in the North it is filling our garbage dumps in scary amounts. It is a sad and pitiful benefit
at the expense of the insecure future of our young men and women.
Yes. The Globalists are destroying the middle class.
I reversed the intro so I could dance to it, that was fire.
When I think about your existence it hits me meteorically and I well up and nearly explode with positive emotions. And as this tumultuous burden and gift settles the ripples of the cataclysm fan out and touch every aspect my life in profound ways that I will never be able to put into words or properly Thank you for.
The problem with Globalism is only the wealthy benefit because it inherently creates a caste system. The wealthy don't have to follow the rules set to all others and is generally bureaucratic. This takes away the rights of the individual to benefit the group as a whole, taking away personal liberties. The UN and EU are good example of this, being the fact is the people do directly elect the people making the rules. These people only do what they believe is the best for the group, regardless of the what it does to the individual. This is what has driven the populous movement on the right over the last few decades, because people feel that they are not getting a fair shake from the bureaucracy.
Basically the bigger the government body is, the more likely it is that you as an individual will be forgotten.
@@cd4playa1245 Exactly
@Morgan Allen GDP rises because of Capitalism, not because of globalism in general. Globalism is both Economic and Social polices. Capitalism is fine by itself, but when you add a social construct to it, that is where it breaks. Good examples of this are socialist countries, the population gets poorer, but the government gets richer. The remove of capitalism causes that increase in poor population. You can site both examples, and the one thing in common is capitalism builds wealth, social polices can destroy wealth. Globalism is the combination of both, and if use badly is far worse then Capitalism on its own.
@Morgan AllenYou must not have read my initial post, I gave an example of the Social side of Globalism, the UN. Its a bureaucratic body of unelected people. The EU is another example of the attempt to apply Globalism style but in a microcosm and shows the same flaws. The UN policies are more leaning of Socialism policies, and not capitalistic policies.
@Morgan Allen I will take a look, I enjoy looking a various points of view being a libertarian. But to my original point that Globalism is generally not good. People like to conflate globalism and global markets. Free trade and Fair trade are capitalistic, not specifically Globalism. Globalism is a social economic environment and must not be conflated with the global trade in general.
Jordan is better at being interviewed than interviewing.
This is not long before he broke down.
I thought this was a discussion not only an interview.
Yeah, this episode of "Dialogues: Jordan B. Peterson," brought to us on the Jordan B. Peterson's CZcams account, which begins with Peterson introducing Pinker as a guest... You know what the fuckin' guy meant, come on.
@@RatatRatR Calm down. Don't have a meltdown over someone disagreeing with you.
So... you don't know what a meltdown is, either.
"Indeed it has been said that the times we live in are the worst and most tragic, except for all those other times that have come before...."
Dr Peterson, can you please enable the download feature? I would love to watch your videos offline when no internet network is available, thank you.
Jordan. Buddy... love your work. But let the poor man finish his sentences.
Pinker is gold in this one! e.g. making a case, that enlightenment and progress doesn´t need judeo-christianity as a background, it´s about humanity!
Absolutely! I don’t think Jordan Peterson has really thought it through, Steven had readily available answer to everything.
Love that Jordan is having these interesting conversations with other intelligence people. I would hope he starts a podcat soon
Looking forward to your new book Professor Pinker..
Doctor Peterson’s microphone that he’s using isn’t worthy of his voice. Please someone send this man a new one!
These old dudes and their microphones from your old box of 1990s cords, God lord dam.
Millions of people will hear this gentleman lets respect their ears
The typical "audio is trash" comment
@@dustin4954 Except this time he's justified.
_"There"_ microphones? Really?
It's THAIR ffs
God lord dam
1st world problem award goes to...
What a profound.... Just the LOGO at the beginning tells you more about Life than most things.
That was an interesting discussion to say the least.
16:37 "What's the issue here... we still have inequality..."
The grass is greener on the other side. Social media reduces degrees of separation. Envy, specifically, of the illusion of perfect beings being broadcast on social media by most persons.
1:27:20 Oh, PLEASE make this happen: A debate between, on the one hand: Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro and on the other: Sam Harris and Steven Pinker. Topic: Some motion / question around the contributions of the Judeo-Christian tradition, science and the enlightenment to modern progress / wellbeing. Moderator: Maybe Jonathan Haidt or Bret Weinstein? (Haidt seems more qualified for the subject matter but Weinstein did a SUPERB job in the 2018 Harris-Peterson debate). If I have to be perfectly honest, I think this issue is almost impossible to solve and it's surely something cultural historians should be better prepared to debate. However, in terms of entertainment value... BOY I'd love to see that debate!
Yes please.
That would be some TOP TIER face-off if I ever seen one !
@Vox Daze The very first christians were Jews.
@Vox Daze Does any of that make my statement not true? Wasn't the messiah born an israelite from the tribe of Judah (aka jew)?
I would suggest adding some actual historians to that debate, like Niall Ferguson.
Fantastic discussion between two fantastic minds, thank you for this!!!
Not even my wrist watch claims I can go to this depth!!!