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Sounds like Warframe but without the looting and crafting system. But I'd rather stay there😅 it has an exceptionally freindly community (I only met ONE toxic clan leader and ONE toxic gamer throuout my approx. 15h long carreer)
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The game you sponsored also looks and sounds cool!
Too bad this small indie company doesn't have experience developing interesting and varied missions, tons of funding, and several passionate and talented developers
Yeah it would be nice if we could have a game where you purchase it and get what you paid for.. but this small indie company is very poor and broke so I guess we just gotta pay 40 dollars for the chance of playing the new heroes..
tbh they dont have the talented developers anymore because they either got fired or left
give them a break they are just a multimilion dollar indie game company
too bad blizzard is just an indie company
they should kick its CEO just like skullgirls dev team did
@@ZiilusI’m going to go back to this comment if they really put Overwatch on Epicgames I’m going to laught so hard I will be respawning on the red base
i hate that people think that tf2 fans review bombed the game when the overwatch fans are the one bombing it(deservedly).
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🗿🍷 BASED
And even if TF2 fans are bombing the game, their point that OW2 is dog shit still stands
I didn’t care about overwatch until someone said “all overwatch supports are much more fun to play than TF2 medic(my main)” I took it personally.
Someone even actively looked at the reviews and most are from pissed off Chinese players after all of Blizzard's shit over there lately.
there are not enough tf2 fans who genuinely care about overwatch to account for even 10% of overwatches bad reviews, and i bet half of the people who mentioned tf2 in their bad reviews have never even played the game, tf2s reputation is just that influential
Blizzard listens to critisim so well that they did exactly what TheWhat said they would, bravo!
is this sarcasm
@@Starmarine1892 if sarcasm shot you in the balls you wouldn't be able to detect it
@@Starmarine1892yes
@@Lazare7782neverr
nice
Blizzard should add a gamemode called "Defend the breast milk". Would go hard and save OW 2 ngl.
@@Ziilus IT IS?! I WAS SHITTING ABOUT ITS REAL??!!
@@Ziilus No, that's one of the things that happened in Blizzard headquarters, in the baby room.
Ironically they should do it because the last person playing overwatch right now are just hardcore coomer that wait for blizzard to release a new female character
Can't wait for the Homelander Collab skin
@@ImTheGuy fr
Whenever i get sad that blizzard basically abandoned starcraft, i have to remember that it might be better than what they could do if they did touch it.
True.
they at least did diablo 4 better
and yup they better stick into not trashing the game and banning the hackers otherwise whole platform will fall apart
wish we were back round 2014-2017 when things were much better
Starcraft 2 and Heroes of the storm got off easy in hindsight. Blizz pulled the plug on them before they were infected with micro-transaction/half-baked garbage.
@@killerninja4416yeah, no. At least from what I know and have read, that's around when Blizzard starts to internally bleed. Sure, Overwatch was also in their golden age, and a lot of their games are still good. But from what we know, that's also when Blizzard started to first show signs of what they would inevitably fall into.
Yeah, it sucks it was abandoned, but I feel it just doesn’t get enough attention to survive anyway. Even with a big update, the game basically has cancer.
5 years of us waiting for 3 missions that were ready years ago. Also it’s 15 dollars the price of cuphead on sale.
Or hollow knight without
@@adaPdthat was another I was thinking of mentioning. Hell. You can buy 15 copies of payday 2 on sale.
After 5 years of development, hopefully, it was worth the 15$
@@doggo4078 true
If you pay the $15 you get all of PvE they put out. Not just the 3 missions.
Blizzard should invest into dynamic NPCs to make PVE better
Huh, I've never seen that robot with the umbrella floating in the air before...
Yeah hopefully no singing bodies
@@LudicrousLabRat oh, fiddlesticks, what now?
@@on_the_inverse_5193 Cassidy players Vs Umbrella man
@@FellowKnight_
Dude, I just finished Half-Life 1 a couple of weeks ago. HECU Marines have to be some of my favorite enemies in videogames. Their A.I. is so smart; For such an old game, it aged so well, honestly a lot of old games have.
The backlash blizzard have gotten is completely deserved. When overwatch came out I immediately fell in love with the game. The visual, the gameplay, the characters, the story, all amazing. It had so much potential. And they squandered it all and spat in our faces just for a few bucks.
this was such a betrayal with the players that I have no words... I particularly hate konami even today for what they did with their game IPs but this hatred is minimal compared to the feeling of having my heart crushed by the trust we had for blizzard and that she stepped on like it was a bug.
You know it's really bad when Overwatch porn is more popular than the game itself.
@@skaynne54it’s not lol .. your weirdo self probably watches it huh
More like billions of $ but the rest is accurate.
I'm getting tired of these sort of takes. Fortnite killed Overwatch with a small hand from Blizzard as well. Also, Double-shield, broken no-skill supports like Mercy, and no hero bans have not helped the cause either
The reason why the free mission is better is because it's the advertisement for the paid package, once it's sold, you don't need to try as hard. Doom 1993's free shareware episode was noticeably tighter then the later episodes for a similar reason.
But at least it can be waded 😅
Funny, I thought Doom's first episode was the weakest. 2 and 3 had the more interesting and varied levels to my memory.
i loved overwatch
i bought it and played it until they abandoned it
im so dissapointed at what they did to this game
yeah overwatch was a lot more fun than people give it credit for in 2016-2019
@@quaker47 *2016-mid 2018
Gigachad comment
Sane here
I miss leveling up and seeing my boarder get upgraded, and seeing a lootbox that I can open up
I have to give Blizzard credit. Getting people to pay 15 dollars for the PvE we had for free in OW1 is just inspired.
Ow1 cost 60$? N we got what junkstein revenge n like 2 others?
I mean
Technically the PVE was the cost of Overwatch 1
13:00 More Coop PVE difficulty examples that go beyond "bullet sponge go brrrrr":
- In Payday 2, the difficulty transition from Normal to Overkill introduces new specialist police units (the bulldozer, cloaker, medic, etc) that don't appear on the lower difficulty. This comes alongside damage and health buffs for all units. The transition from Very Hard to Death Wish also gives the Bulldozer some new weapons he has a chance to spawn with (automatic shotgun on Overkill, and light machine gun on Death Wish), changing how you fight him. These difficulties are kind of "cookie cutter health and damage increase" but also add unique enemies or equipment to the mix to target or promote certain playstyles and skills.
- In Killing Floor 2, common specimens don't gain any extra health with each difficulty increase, but they become increasingly erratic and agile in their movements (making it difficult to line up a headshot) and gain new attacks that allow them to dish out more damage to the player. Also, "elite" variants of certain common fodder specimens start appearing. By contast, the large zeds (chainsaw scrake or fleshpound) DO get some more health, but they also get new attacks and rage behaviors thrown into the mix, further punishing players who aren't working with the rest of the team.
- In Deep Rock Galactic, increasing the difficulty causes swarm numbers and duration to increase, and also increases the variety of tough bugs which may be alive at once. Most bugs deal more damage and have some more health as a result of difficulty, but never so much so that they're unsatisfying to shoot. Also, this could be placebo or bad luck, but I have a hard time finding ammo resources like Nitra on Hazard 5, even if I'm moving through the cave as fast as I usually do on the lower difficulties, as if all the nitra got put in the last room of the cave just to keep me from resupplying.
- In TF2, a single map may support multiple "missions", each with their own unique difficulty. Lower difficulty missions usually just throw robots at you, while higher difficulty ones tend to introduce the coordination-demanding uber medics, more powerful giant bots, more troublesome support bots (like snipers and engineers), and often times just more powerful combinations of high damage robots. Because each difficulty is actually a hand designed mission, of which there may be multiple, each one feels fresh and unique to experience for the first time.
As someone who played 3/4 games on this list.
The examples are prime on point
@@levietanh9650What'd you miss? Mine was payday 2
as someone who has played all 4 of these.
Yes, they are in fact prime examples of better harder difficulties.
The auto shotgun on the bulldozer appears on overkill difficulty
@@axolotl_with_a_welrod interesting, thanks. I edited my original post to reflect this.
"Imagine if you could get 1 headshot as widowmaker and wipe out an entire group of robots"
huh, that idea sounds familiar, I wonder where I have seen it done
Not gonna lie, that sounds like a good job, mate.
Will she be able to use piss as weapon too?
That really reminds me of payday 2 but yes, tf2 too
@@CF-or3cithats hot
Sounds like some kind of raise in how highly Widow is ranked... Like some kind of... up... grade...
Nahhhh that'd be silly
Mvm Bootcamp was at least free, it even has a mission you can't find in the paid campaign mode
It wasnt. It still is
But to be fair mvm is pure gameplay with upgrades and multiple different huge waves without story(I mean there is story in comics but you arent playing it). OW PVE is supposed to be story campgain, it must not only entertain but also tell this story. Shame that they didn’t pull it off.
@@CF-or3cithanks for non-correcting me. I was talking about when Mvm came out
You do have to pay to get some rewards worth hundreds or even thousands of dollars but overall there isn't any difference between the paid version and the free version
@@Youcicanexcept the number of spies you can get in your team
I will die on this hill. Battleborn, a game that was killed my overwatch litterally had everything we wanted in in 2016. 30 great characters, skill trees that evolve your gameplay in every single match and had an amazing pvp and pve campaign
I wonder if it's possible to get private community servers for that game. I actually have it for free
Blizzard: "After 5 years of development, hopefully, it was worth the 15$"
how could blizzard make a season so hype and so disappointing at the same time
Didn't think that you would make another one of these. Also that part where you said "Can my OW videos please stop aging this well" made me both laugh and cry at the same time.
I hope TheWhat Show makes more videos ripping into videogames.
I remember laughing at the prospect of Overwatch 2 when it was announced back in 2019 or so for being a sequel that only added in an MvM mode and practically nothing else.
Good times.
To be fair, it was supposed to be more than just an MvM mode, it was supposed to be a whole ass co-op campaign and shit with character progression and dynamic modifiers to missions. There's supposed to be story there with objectives and the like.
Then they decided that putting effort into something was for pansies and killed it before giving us MvM. Or more accurately, Archives but worse.
@@OrionDawn15 At least Archives was free
And also the first two times were bangers.
And then it became reused assets heaven
@@OrionDawn15 Yeah the fact that footage from 5 years ago looks better than what we currently have is telling of the amount of progress that was squandered. If Blizz actually lived up to what they promised, $15 would be more than worth the price.
it was never supposed to be anything else than making you buy it again, which you did, like a good little pay pig@@OrionDawn15
"Why is the only passable mission the free one?!"
We know why, you know why.
It's the only mission they actually needed to put effort into to try to take your money. They already got the money when you're playing the rest.
The best thing I can say about Blizzard is that they're a great comedy of errors.
"A cavalcade of fuck-ups" - Lil' Green - DBZA episode 56 10:33
One other thing I noticed with a lot of PvE games is the audio design for the special enemies. In Deep Rock Galactic, if you hear a choppy growling, you’re instantly filled with dread knowing a Bulk Detonator spawned in. Or if you hear a screeching from across the cave at the very beginning of the mission, you’re excited because it’s a Crassus. In Vermintide 2, if you hear a rattling, you’re instantly panicking because you know someone is about to get snatched by a giant rat.
In Payday 2, if you hear a clanging sound, you know you’re in deep shit because Captain Winters just came in. Because the enemies are so basic and generic in Overwatch 2, you’re not scared or excited for special enemies. Which in my opinion really downgrades it.
This form of audio design was mastered in, you guessed it: Left 4 Dead.
Each Zombie has its own unqiue shriek and theme when they attack a player - and I think everyone on the internet knows the Tank theme by now.
Left 4 Dead expert here. You're giving the AI director more credit than you should. It's way stupider than you described. It's basically a bunch of timers counting down over and over and randomness. Frankly it's sad Blizzard couldn't make something even as good, 14ish years in the future.
Even if it's not that complex, it's *something*. A simple attempt to add some variety to every match. It works a little bit, doesn't it?
Which I believe is the point the man is making.
The Director may be simple in function, but as a mechanical part of the game, it's a goddamn *masterpiece.* It does exactly what it needs to keep the experience fun and fresh.
Dom jumpscare
Exactly, its way more simple which is why its mind boggling BZ couldn't do it lmao
To be fair the director in l4d2 versus mode is kinda dumb. Though in single player he's decently smart. Also it's not really that he's supposed to be a genius it's just that the director makes the game feel less repetitive because of the random spawns
Watching this footage of smashing endless waves of bullet sponge robots got me itching to play Borderlands 2. They went HARD on the robots in that game. The LOADER footsoldiers could be dismembered until they can only drag themselves with a single arm. Destroying their right arm gets rid of their gun/main weapon. Their left, their offhand weapon or grenade. Could shoot off their legs to slow them down. Even when they lose all their main weapons, they can still shoot from their eye.
All these things combined with tons of dynamic subtypes makes fighting them still fun after more than a decade.
BULOADERS have a shield and can use it in a charge attack, prompting you to remove its shield arm or just over them. EXPLOADERS are fast and try to suicide bomb you, so you should aim for their legs to slow them down or their glowing core to detonate them from a distance. WARLOADERS have a barrage attack that has a long cooldown, forcing players to seek cover and choose their moments. And tons more!
There's also the fact that they work together to cover their own weaknesses. Damaged Loaders will signal surveyor drones to come repair them. If players hide behind cover too long they might throw grenades or move closer. They will hide under shields deployed by IONLOADERS to protect themselves.
They feel like an actual army with strengths and weaknesses, the latter of which they attempt to cover with unit synergy. And this is all in a game over 10 years old. That is the sort of design I'd expect from a "genre-redefining" PVE experience.
Executing execution.exe
and you can get it for 5 yuro on sale and it has even more stuff than just the loaders
meanwhile overwatch xd
Plus, they look cool and have one of the best enemy introductions of all time.
Borderlands 2 was just peak looter-shooter.
Another thing I like about enemy design is that a lot of enemies are DELIBERATELY dumb. The ones that are, in lore, dumb as bricks, actually do act dumb as bricks most of the time.
You're making me want to reinstall Borderlands.
its so sad knowing that if the game had just stopped updating some time during 6v6 it would have been so much better and probably would have lasted much longer despite a lack of new content. i was an offtank main back when i played and the game just never felt the same after 5v5
i played more ow1 during the 4 year drought than i ever have now that the game updates consistently
OW1 built a dedicated fanbase, only to change the game so much over time to where many old fans, myself included don't enjoy the game anymore, because it's too different for what we liked all those years ago. TF2 for instance may rarely get updated, but you know the game will always play like what you've come to expect, if you enjoyed it then you can enjoy it now.
@@neevko267 same
I mean a potential arguement could be that Blizzard wouldn’t make much money off of just lootboxes, although not only could blizzard have made more (ethical) ways of making money off ow1, but also i doubt ow2 is a bank roller either… not only is it f2p, but it seems as though the prices are too absurd for people to spend, especially OW1 veterans.
As an old ow player, all i can say about the tf2 community is thank you for being so welcoming and being by our side. Personally TF2 players are more than welcome to come shit at OW on steam, but saying the TF2 community alone is reviewbombing the game makes them sound like assholes, and makes it look like the poor OW community is under attack. This isn't reviewbombing, this is a playerbase fed up with the devs
I think what pisses me off the most is how when you click the Missions tab at the main menu, the immersive UI takes you straight back to that feel good 2016 Overwatch. Only for it to be completely ruined by “plz visit the store and give us money 🥺” when you try to select a mission
Will say, the designs of Null Sector actually looks great.
Also it seems they GUTTED literally everything which is so odd? Like they clearly had everything functional YEARS ago but then just oddly Gutted EVERYTHING for this release, so not only are we getting 1/10th the content but they also ripped out all the intresting stuff they showed off like enemies shooting each other, the enemies bumping into each other, which is genuinely so baffling and I'm trying to think *why* that happened.
Thing is, the Null Sector designs were around since the second PVE mission in Overwatch 1. They were even skins for Orisa and Bastion.
Fun fact: Warcraft 3 came out in 2002 with 4 full campaigns that were composed of roughly 7-9 playable map for a total of 32 maps.
Frozen throne came out in 2003 with 3 full campaigns that were composed of roughly 7-11 playable map for a total of 27 maps.
And a bonus campaign that showed what WoW would be.
Every campaign mission was fully voiced, had easter eggs, had intresting mechanics and challenges and sub objectives.
lol yeah when it was easier to develop games
@@MrAjking808strange take
@@jaemotoovery strange
and even then, warcraft 3 has infinitely more replayability than this garbage, even with the campaigns! you can genuinely spend hours upon hours on that shit, and i'm still absolutely in love with the night elf campaign. to this day, i still pray that world of warcraft or something will have the naga as playable. i'm not even sure if mods will work on reforged, so i have no clue if the classic "nirvana" mod would work (the one with the naga race in it)
also, good taste with that profile pic. nipah!
bought it 40 min later 100% regret it.....15$ for literal 40 min of shooting mindless npcs and ive not gone back to it since its REALLY sad to be quite honest....
I wish everyday this game that's truly fun at its core can get wrestler away from the leeches at blizzard
The joke about blizzard being an indie dev company is hilarious because Overwatch would likely be better in the hands of an indie developer 😂
The Overwatch 2 debacle never ceases to both frighten me and cause the popcorn industry to flourish.
the pros are they are actually having good art design
even if they are just reusing map assets
but when its COMES to money which ofc tied very closely to content design
they are very restrictive
I'm very glad I just bought Deep Rock Galactic.
I just built a minion Engineer. I use turrets, Steeve, swarm grenades, and (in solo) Bosco. The minions handle mobbing, while my shotty and nades are built for armor destruction and high single target damage.
800+ hours on drg here and yeah I feel the same, DRG wins when it comes to PVE, I have no reason to play other pve games aside from probably payday 2
@@agent5657l4d, Vermintide II, and GTFO Are still pretty good
That's some good PVE right there. (sip)
Did I hear a Rock and Stone?
FOR ROCK AND STONE!
God I love the DRG brainrot. I keep catching matching spamming V in other multiplayer games and being upset at the distinct lack of Rock and Stone.
When you rock and stone you’re never alone.
I don't mean to compare the games in some "Overwatch bad" way, but I would like to compare this to MvM. The games have plenty of differences, but there is a few that I feel show what Blizzard did wrong here (other than, y'know, everything).
MvM, most obviously, has an UPGRADE SYSTEM. It lets you diversify between every game and change how you play, even if the meta is still the most viable. It gives the game mode replayability. Overwatch 2 was going to have that, but we all know what happened there.
MvM provides you with a large assortment of maps that either have some small gimmicks, or missions that have unique "boss enemies." The waves also generally have more diversity, but that's not as prominent. OW has a few unique enemies that I will admit are better than the ones in MvM generally, but there's such a small amount that they'll get stale so quickly.
But most importantly, MvM can be played completely free. You can't gain loot, but you can play boot camp to enjoy the gamemode properly, instead of just one mission. But obviously Blizzard would ruin something with a paywall.
Overall, I feel like pointing these things out just helps show all the issues with this PvE mode. It shows that it COULD'VE been amazing. It's just worse in most ways other than "It has OW characters and gameplay." Overwatch players are fully entitled to be angry at this because its an almost objectively worse version of a concept made like eleven years ago. Class-based shooters with a PvE mode can be lovely, and this just isn't.
OW PVE ALWAYS been planned to be paywalled
but it was when they promised that there would be replayability on it aka skill trees
now on top they failed to deliver what was promised, they put it on bundle instead just sell it for 5$
and even worse that EVERY single one of youre team need to buy PVE to play together
or you are just stuck with bot team, who hardly even able to help solving normal-hard difficulty
I was only interested in OW2 because of the PvE and it failed to deliver. In comparison, Deep Rock Galactic provides a much better PVE exprience despite it being from a much smaller development studio.
DRG absolutely wipes the floor with OW2’s desecrated corpse when it comes to replay-ability, atmosphere, enemy types, game-modes, and gameplay.
Btw, ROCK AND STONE
Rock and stone!
... We're rich?
Did i hear a rock n stone?
Rock and Stone you beautiful dwarf!
Mushroom! Mushroom! Mushroom!
This game used to be so much fun and it's fucking absurd how Blizzard managed to ruin a franchise that was poised to be one of the biggest things of that generation. Blizzard can't be trusted with anything.
Also re: Overwatch fans defending it from the negative reviews, maybe in 2017 it might have been true that annoying TF2 fans would trash the game for no good reason, but nowadays the backlash is because OW2 is genuinely a huge letdown.
A multi-billion dollar franchise should not be getting outclassed by a game from 2007 that hasn't gotten a substantial update in years.
@@firstnamelastname7244Not all TF2 fans are annoying. These were just the ones with loud mouths.
@@firstnamelastname7244I am even more baffled that they defend a game that is so obviously negatively received, and those negativity are actually speaking facts.
The virgin OW Invasion: took them 3 years to make a half completed PVE mode. The Chad MVM: free mode, worked on day 1 of it's update, didn't need a new game for it.
to be fair MvM doesn't work perfectly at all. it's unbalanced and a bunch of skills are either useless or downright don't work at all. Still has more replay value than ow2 pve though no question.
@@gavinrobinson8925 yeah but still 200% better then ow2
@gavinrobinson8925 I'd say it's pretty balanced so far. Sure some stuff is op and some is kinda lame, but then again the weapons which aren't good here aren't good in casual most of the time, and not every weapon balanced in casual can be balanced for MvM. Some upgrades are bugged and some try hard people are there, but it's still really fun since you can go ahead and try all the weapons in tf2 but on steroids.
I mean, bootcamp is free. If you actually want to be rewarded for your efforts it costs a ticket. But trading exists so it's not like you can get those without paying money.
@@suiramnatthe gas passer, the huntsman is good in casual not in mvm, the tomislav, the sandman, the fan O war, the overdose, the hitmans heatmaker, the carbine (smg thing) those are just some weapons that are good in mvm but bad in casual or vise versa
Overwatch PvE
"Doing chores as an excuse to shoot robots."
"Why the only good mission is the free one!?"
Maliciously inclined people would say it deceives the players about the scale and quality of their paid PvE with this promotional one, but I cannot imagine a company like Blizzard lying like that. Impossible.
The what show is like the most unpredictable tf2 youtuber if you can even call him that. After the Emesis blue he made a video on the interloper command, next he expanded his overwatch series. I'm always surprised when I see your latest upload. Keep up the good work
It's obvious why the free mission is better than the others, to give a false expectation and bait sales.
The free mission being the best one is a common marketing tactic. It convinces you to cough up the cash, then sunk cost fallacy can cover the rest lol
It’s a business lol .. not some weird relationship you people think yall have with games & their developers
@@MrAjking808 Yeah? I just described a marketing tactic.
@@Pacca64 theirs not tactic lol 😂 real people work on these games aren’t made just for you to play for free
@@MrAjking808 Doesn't make it "not a tactic" the f?
6:12 TWS: Compares this boss to a Bakugan
Me, a man of culture: I didn't know you could fight the Bohrok-Kal in Overwatch.
I think the worst part for me is that we lost the Archives event. Archives was BETTER than the current PvE because the missions were actually satisfyingly replayable. Not only did you have the story mission with a brief intro and outro cutscene, and a bunch of dialogue between the characters, but afterwards we could replay the mission with any character we wanted. I could use Roadhog to whole hog the Talon mercs off their boats into the water, or use Sombra's hack to disable the Nulsec shield guys in Kings Row. And AFTER that we could still play the challenge missions which offered even more unique ways to play the missions.
I haven't played Overwatch since PvE was released. I'm done with it. Anyone who wants a REAL co-op RPG shooter should play Remnant 2.
Been playing a lot of Borderlands 2 lately. Those enemies remind me a *lot* of the Loader Bots. Like... it's almost like they just took the Loader Bots from Borderlands 2 and inserted them into Overwatch 2. Except the Loader Bots were actually pretty fun to fight and it was mechanically valuable to dismember them since it made a generally tanky enemy much less dangerous.
not to mention, they actually have funny lines to say, they are varied and have support instead of just being solo in a group of generic robots
@@sakuyaizayoi8946 You know, I completely forgot about that. Yeah, the Loader Bots did have some really funny lines and bits of personality. There were even Loader Bot characters, like Mal. Come to think of it, every enemy in that game had an incredible amount of voice lines that gave them a stunning amount of character.
Now to be fair to Blizzard, I would actually rather have a game where all the characters T-pose than play Overwatch 2.
as someone who really does want to see overwatch do well the pve really did make me kinda sad. the overwatch dev team is actually pretty good at what they do and sadly get hate for things that are really just the fault of blizzard not them
but they have audacity to talk
they even prepared content creator before PVE launch
they even ADMIT they lied to us that they alr cancel significant part of it for 1.5 years, roughly after jeff left
Can't really say not to blame them either, they know what they were being told to do, instead of walking out like Jeff they chose to stay while they themselves are told to say the bad news instead of their greedy CEO if all the devs walked out.
So basically the devs are not entirely blameless either
@welderscript9329 Small counter argument here. I think not wanting to lose your paycheck may have played a role, here. I wouldn't want to lose what keeps making me money for me and my family. Like, even if you're a game dev, it'll still take some time to find a new job in that department. But I won't defend them either.
Bro wants to see overwatch do well lmao
I couldn't help but think of "hey, this thing they really should've done? MvM did that on launch."
Just remember that the full scale PvE was scrapped (according to them) due to the enormous scale they just couldn't handle in a way that would give the players an epic, polished experience.
One of the very nice surprises about playing Naraka: Bladepoint's (free) PvE (with a progression system) was discovering that all the bosses gain new phases on higher difficulties. Crazy that Blizzard couldn't do basic game development properly.
Me and my dad played ow1 for quite some time, until he quit (he doesn't like pvp games in the first place it was quite a surprise he even played this game for so long) after that he only came back to play the pve events.
When we saw the trailer for ow2 that had that cool pve upgrade system and just better pve from the looks of it, we were hyped.
Let's just say both me and him were VERY dissapointed when ow team said "sowwy guys making gamews is hawd we make pve not so cool now, but you still need to pay us for it".
Blizzard itself went wrong, on it's entirity.
Tbh I'm amazed that the PvE doesn't have the talents as balance changes
I get it if they scrap leveling up and the whole tree, but like, chain reaction pulse bomb is coded and was playable with no bugs since 2019, why do we get 200 more damage on pulse bomb instead of a cool looking chain reaction, its insane
Also that highlight intro at the end was very funny to me, because i showed a friend about it
18:57 Blizzard being like "oh wtf ppl are calling us thieves because we steal from them, that's not nice"
I bought the Quake 2 remaster for $10 and that has far more replay value. Has up to 4 player co-op and cross play for the main campaign, two expansion packs and entirely new campaign from the studio that made the remaster. There’s new enemies and attack animations that still make the game feel fresh and new even for vets of the original.
let moders make the story missions and they'd do a better job
Honesty what they did to the proposed PvE was a joke.
Think about it: would you rather spend 15 dollars for three missions that you'll breeze through in an hour with no replay value. OR. Just watch the cutscenes on CZcams FOR FREE?
Not going to even look at cutscenes just so channels who post them wouldnt get my view
that comparison at 12:32 is actually really funny since the game also has a "Master Mode", which... makes all enemies take and deal more damage, with novelty cosmetic rewards and no new content to offer in exchange.
Remember in the retribution mission where you were almost always outmatched, and the soldiers did combat rolls behind boxes and walls to shoot you from adding a layer of dynamic combat where you had to juggle between managing chip damage from the troopers and the 1 shot power of the heavy enforcers all while there might also be snipers or other bosses in the area forcing tradeoffs? Peperidge Farm Remembers
Just so you know random battery spawns are good but sometimes battery thiefs spawn next to the batteries and it's more difficult because of random battery spawning and that's actually very annoying, hard and tedious on solo to do some challenges for the kings row underworld pve mission if you're going for 100%
Man the wanted dead actually seems pretty cool! It's super refreshing seeing a game that was made with love and is actually focused on being fun along with having real challenge too
The Director is so much better than just that, it takes EVERYTHING into account.
If a player is struggling, it might add more health packs or do the opposite and REMOVE health packs to make it even harder.
If the players are always too grouped up, it'll throw more specific Special Infected to force you to spread out.
This system is also in charge of every audio cue so you know what's coming and can prepare [so it never feels unfair].
There's an old dos game with limb dismemberment called Chasm the Rift. The limb shooting worked in that game because enemies are very deadly if allowed to shoot
So choosing to either shoot them in the body or blow off the arm holding a rocket launcher is an important choice depending on what weapons you have and where you are in relation to the enemy
It also works cause limbs in that had bery little health compared to the enemy it was attatched to
it is depressing how L4D2 still stands as one of the best Co-op PVE games despite its age, it really should be the base of what any multiplayer PVE experience strives to be
The fact that they sold us what is basically Archive missions for $15 is criminal
Immediately after I saw gameplay I was like "Wait, didn't they do this already like, 4 years ago?"
It's the PVE all you've been waiting for, Tweaked Junkenstein ladies and gentelmen.
@@tordoc9817 "We reskinned Junkenstein! Isn't that what you all wanted? You want innovation and a fresh new gamemode? Well that'd take *way* too long to make, and we need to focus on our PvP players, so that's why we abandoned our playerbase for 3 years while promising a new PvE gamemode only to never deliver it!"
This is exactly what I wanted from an analysis of the PvE. Good shit and good examples. Wish there were more mechanics
For Canadian players, it costs $20.19, which is also when they announced Overwatch 2 in the first place. Don’t know if that’s an intentional middle finger to the fans or not, but just a funny little thing I noticed.
*Paying for free content they removed from the game, yep It's Actiblizzard.*
I used to play since realease. It makes me so sad that Blizzard cant even get the PvE right…
I saw the chest open up then did the Leo meme pointing at the screen. I've played so much Borderlands over the years and it instantly reminded me of the digistruct chests, half expected to see an orange and a couple blues
Overwatch is such a sad game now
I actually feel bad for the people that waited for just to be disappointed.
What went wrong, oh I don't know, EVERYTHING!
Best part of Overwatch 2 is that the sponsored content in your video actually looks really entertaining.
But also SFM
It's odd how Underworld was seen as the most polished part of the INVASION update, the missions also had RNG stuff like the missiles and the Ult charge zones, stuff that is not really present on the paid missions and could have given them some strategical tactics to play with.
That’s when you realize it’s only worth $15 because and I quote in their standards. Each Mission is worth five dollars so depending on how many missions they release is how much money it’s gonna cost
What standards?
@@serketenglish5963 oh yeah, I forgot they have no standards
Don't forget the scrapped customization either, one of the biggest reasons to even try the PvE at all. Reminds me of the odyssey mode from league of legends, basically a ramping siege with absurd customizable options where you got to feel like anime characters; but ever since they dropped the mode for being 'unpopular', they never brought back anything remotely like it with the lazy excuse they can't spare the server power. No surprise both have only been dying in recent years lol.
they made the best mission free to trick people into thinking the others would be like that, rather than just slightly different archives missions.
The reason TF2's PvE works well is because of many factors, but here's a couple ones:
1. Its like, dirt cheap.
2. You actually get cool (and expensive) stuff from it.
3. It promised what it promised and got what was promised.
4. It had a unique idea for PvE with upgrades. (At the time)
5. The bosses are hard but simple.
6. Tanks. Just.. Tanks.
7. It's easy to queue. Like, 2 second waiting easy queue.
8. Tf2 doesn't have a community that runs on Copium and can be very funny.
9. No updates to ruin it :D
10. *ITS NOT OVERWATCH*
😂 LOL 😂
ill say this once and ill say it again, we need to boycott overwatch, CZcamsrs will Still make thousands of videos on why this game is "fun" and "enjoyable", the best way to boycott this game is a saveTF2 type protest, or maybe just stop playing en mass, but no, because people will still be inspired by grand master youtubers that content farm this games "new" balance notes, and competitive things
In Team Fortress 2, you have to killbind, respawn, spend all your minigun ammo and be fast enough to pick up the minigun left after killbind before it disappears to T-pose
This is a pure skill, game knowlege, dedication to the game and to the memes
In Overwatch 2, you can pay 26 dollars to t-pose, and it doesn't involve any skill and game knowlege, only money
Bro, the wanted ad segment was so hilarious. Hope they payed you good bucks for that one.
Really love how you're branching out from basic tf2 content like your interloper videos and emesis blue video, keep it up man :D
I enjoyed playing the halloween Pve that was free more than the new pve missions lmao
'bro is cooking nothing' got me dying.
Not gonna lie I had the audio muted until the ad for one reason or another, and almost thought you were talking about overwatch 2 at 3:30
The battery mission feels exactly like the left 4 dead sacrifice finale. Why is this just so much worse
Know what? I think the paid missions are already made well way back when a long time ago, before the price tag for these missions are decided or even before that. The paid missions were made beforehand using outdated boring and static formula the original OW PVE, the paid PVE gets announced, Blizzard scrambled a team to make a new free PVE mission to entice the masses, and these guys actually thought of putting good stuff like varied mission condition with that missile artillery and varied enemy spawn.
Congrats on 100k TheWhat
Again, you need to remember. This isn’t a mistake to Blizzard. This is by design.
With most big game studios, the orders come from the top. The executives and managers who’re beholden to the shareholders. The developers? The artists? They don’t get to refine shit unless the top says they can. They can ask to fix bugs and polish the game, but unless it’s unplayable without it, they’re going to be told to leave it and get back to “real work”
For the executives, their goal is to make as much money as they can for themselves and the shareholders over maybe 5-10 years, then get out with a golden parachute.
It is not in their interest to make a good game with a sustainable player base. Making a functional game is not the goal. The goal is to wring as much money out of the franchise as they can. Then, when things start collapsing, the people in charge bail and leave the problem to the suckers who take over. And, of course, leave it to all the people under them who can’t just leave with a golden parachute.
Their goal as a company is not to make good games.
Their goal is not to appease players.
Their goal is to make more money for their shareholders this quarter than they did the quarter before.
As long as there are still whales willing to blow money on this game, nothing will change. They will squeeze the ise people for every drop they can get. And once the whales leave, once it starts to decline, the execs will say to drop overwatch completely.
More overwatch slander is always welcome
It's not slander if what you're saying is true.
@@firstnamelastname7244
More Overwatch truths then?
Lmfao back in the day I just spent 15 euro in Overwatch and could enjoy all the events, heroes and unlockables without extra money. I could buy lootboxes but I could also just earn them. Basically it was a good game just like Left 4 Dead, a one-time payment that's it.
Now it's a shitshow of anticonsumer practices pay to win heroes and extremely overpriced microtransactions which have nothing of micro becauae for that price I can just buy 5 games lmao
I find it sad that the first three missions of the PVE are $15 because I found a pc copy of Overwatch Origins Edition for that exact price on clearance at a Walmart. A game mode offering only an hour and a half of content of content with no replayability is worth the same amount as the special edition of the first game that isn't even possible to play anymore.
I'm gonna link this video when i make my steam review. Great job sir!
Tangentially related, making Twitter users mad will always be hilarious.
I'm convinced half if not most of the people on Twitter have it to be mad. It's that one meme of Peter Parker saying "No! I'm almost enjoying my anger!"
Anyway. I didn't play the game when it first came out but one of my first experiences was Quick Play back when it had No Limits, everyone was Winston and it was a great time.
I could always artificially recreate that setting but I've almost never felt the same joy since. Only in custom games do I get any entertainment out of the game, and the community make better content than the devs do at this rate.
As an average twitter user, you're 100% right.
I had honestly lost hope in Overwatch long ago back when it was the first game. When they showed off the PvE long ago, I was interested, but more do mad that they were literally ripping off the game that was my favorite and they killed long ago. BATTLEBORN. Luckly, the players of Battleborn have started a patition to bring the better game back.
7:16 it doesn’t even need that! It just needs to be at its core: FUN
In TF2’s MVM everything stays the same, except for the type of Robots, when, and where Spybots spawn, engiebots, and giant bots.
Because fighting the robots in MVM is just *FUN*.
Starfield player:
“Wow, sucks to be you.”