Making the album Ozma with the Melvins in 1989
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- I discuss producing the 1989 album Ozma with the Melvins in San Francisco.
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An interview with Lori would be amazing, I've always found her to be a mystery in the Melvins story. Thanks for this video Mark!!
Lori has been mysterious since I first met her in 1979.
@@MarkDeutrom Her parents must have been mysterious too.
Crossing fingers that Lori agrees to an interview, that would be unbelievably great!
Along with Lori Black, Kira Roessler was playing some tough, sludgy bass from '83-'85. Respect to both for making great music with iconic bass sounds.
Wow. Ozma and Gluey Porch Treatments two of my faves of all time. No album by any artist has ever come close to sounding like Ozma. A masterpiece.
According to Matt Lukin, Buzz "broke up" the Melvins before moving to the bay area, effectively leaving Matt behind. Given that Mudhoney might not exist otherwise, Matt seemed pretty ok with it but liked to poke fun at Buzz for it. Glad to hear that Lori is doing well
Yeah, that was the story he told me after writing to the address on gluey porch treatments and getting a reply in the mail from him
I wasn't in the loop ....whoever writes the definitive history can research that.
Ozma is my favorite Melvins record. Thank you so much for uploading these thoughts….
Those stories will die to history without Lori speaking up. I hope it works out, she was a great bass player. Thanks for this Mark and good luck with the possible Lori interview. Cheers!
It's an ongoing subject in our conversations....we'll see.
We took my 11 year old daughter to see "stop making sense" for the re-release last year. My wife and I were sitting there, boogie-ing around in our seats, but our child was just sitting there dead still, and we were thinking "Oh god. she hates it. We have wasted 2 hours of her life"... after we walked out I gently asked her "so... what did you think?" and she said "that was possibly the best movie I have ever seen in my life". We have since gone back to watch it at IMAX, and it has been on strong rotation at home. Yet another young musician inspired by Tina Weymouth.
Another great video. I will have to fire up Ozma for the child to listen to after school today. I think her favourite Melvins album is Lysol or Houdini.
Thanks for sharing the cool story. Nice to hear young people continuing to be inspired to make music as they always will be. Thanks for watching !
Tell Lori the fans want to hear from her about her days in the Melvins.
Her whole life is interesting...Melvins were just a small part of it.
Thanks from New Zealand
22:49. Drums concuss like a howitzer on Ozma. I blew up 2 amps in my 280z listening to that album. Specifically, the last 3 songs.
ALL HAIL LORAX! I would love to listen to an interview with Lori Black. Ozma is such an important album. It makes the perfect companion to Gluey Porch Treatments. Thanks for another great video, Mark!!!
Lori’s bass sound is awesome, and she is definitely a trailblazer… another contemporary female bass player from that era might be Jo Bench from Bolt Thrower.
It's weird but it somehow works. I would probably make different decisions about it now but there's no sight like hindsight...
ozma was my introduction to Melvins back in 90. i would cut off my balls to see a lori interview.
I don't think that will be necessary...I'll see what I can do.
@@nonservitium that's a dumb thing to say
@@hankworden3850 you haven't seen my nuts
Fascinating Mr. Deutrom, much appreciate your perspective. That first few seconds of the album on the song Vile is wild kinda sounding like something taking off. Would be great to hear more about your experience with Gluey Porch Treatments. Thank YOU!!!
Thanks Yauger. We are overdue to reconnect. Let's do that.
It’s their amp being turned on at the beginning of vile. Phil Manley from trans am Has the studio Ozma was recorded at now
Thanks for sharing. It would be splendid if you could get Lori to do an interview.
All I know is me and my freind Ian Shannon hung out with them after you recorded Ozma and I remember that we were just blown away from hearing it that first time.
Brian interview too please!!👊👊👊
B- You maybe somewhat biased, but I'll take it....
Ozma is one of the greatest albums ever. Thank you for your production and your insight behind this
Saw them on the tour for ozma, late '88 at the mason jar in Phx. Another great female bass player from back then is Lisa Wells of The Honeymoon Killers. Saw them around that time at the Sun Club in Tempe and she was absolutely flying on a big red rickenbocker(saw the Melvins there to with Joe Preston on bass). Great shows...
Thanks for another story from the past. for the record, I still think Ozma is the pinnacle of Melvins, definitely one of the ten on an island records. I have heard Buzz and Dale say that they overthought the record or spent too much time working out the math or some something, but I just love the compositions from this record more than any other.
I feel this record is kind of a definitive post punk statement more than anything. It seems like a collection of experiments but I like that about it.
Whew, that was quite a Melvins history lesson! Thanks for sharing. My 1st encounter with them was the Boner Ozma/GPT CD. So much heaviness on 1 disc!
Lori is super important to the Melvins story. An interview with her would be aces!
Kira Roessler from Black Flag was another great bass player from the mid 80s who also started out on piano!
First Melvins record I heard as a kid. I fell in love with the weird sound and was fascinated by the odd ambient elements (Is that a fan turning on? The flanged maracas(?)+sort of pinch harmonics? Buzz's controlled feedback drones) Thank you for giving everyone a peek behind the scenes.
Plenty of strangeness in there to be sure....still sounds modern.
Chalk up another request to hear an interview with Lori. I was in a band back in the early 90s that shared a practice spot with them and I haven't seen or heard of/from her since then. I may have met you too back then, Mark, but I can't quite recall.
I moved to the UK in1988 so probably not. Lori is still in the Bay Area.
"Candy-O" was included on the CD version, along with Gluey Porch Treatments. I bought the reissue of Ozma on vinyl, it does not have "Candy-o".
Yes to a Lori interview, maybe only discuss the positive memories, unless she would want to share negative experiences, either way, it would be a great thing. I guess potentially nearly having Shirley Temple as a M-I-L is quite a memory.
That’d be great to get Lori!
Great to have your insight on the Melvins' history. I haven't actually listened to Ozma, so I should probably do that now...
Thanks so much for doing these videos. It's funny to hear about the studio's sound being so messed up. I've always loved the way that record sounds!
Putting in another vote for a Lori Black interview and conversation.
Ozma was my entry to Melvins and still ny favorite. As I got more into recording music, I became aware of just how weird the production was - especially the drums. Thanks for explaining the why, that studio sounds like a nightmare!
It's STILL weird ! I almost feel like I was trying to get the drums to sound like an 80's drum machine...I remember really liking the artificiality of the Bowie Let's Dance LP, even though I think that is real drums...nothing sounds like Ozma and that is part of the beauty of it regardless of the nuts and bolts...
Lori, we really would love to hear from you!
Ozma,- a true masterpiece, i can only agree the comments! Raw, stylish , hard like steel😮!
Thanks ! It's a strange one, but it has it's own space in the Melvins catalog.
I loved both of those records and it was my first exposure to the band. I have the Gluey Porch Treatment/Ozma combination CD.
Thanks for listening.
MARK’s MELVINS MUSINGS MAKE MY DAY!!!
Thanks for watching !
BEST melvins record, and one of the greatest from that era.
After not listening to this for a long time, it sounds strangely like avant prog rock to me. Thanks for watching.
I am a big fan of the album I own a cassette version and original vinyl. I love the way the guitar sound each speaker. One guitar Will be playing a riff and the other guitar and the other channel will be just feeding back. Love it.
The album has definitely such different sound one that you cannot describe. Thanks for doing this video. It was very informative.
Also my vinyl copy does not include candy-o but the cassette tape does have candy-o at the very end
I have since figured out that Candy-O was not on the vinyl...should have done my research ! I can't describe the sound of it it either...it just sounds like Ozma which is what it is....
Ozma was the first compact disc I ever purchased. With Gluey Porch Treatments on the disc also. I didn’t even have a cd player yet but couldn’t find any Melvins on cassette at the time. Had to have my buddies girlfriend copy it onto a tape for me. I had heard a tiny bit of Melvins through a dude I worked with, and wanted to hear more of this band that sounded so different than anything else I had heard. Was hooked from the opening riff of Vile and the Melvins became one of my absolute favorites for several years. I love the way Ozma sounds. It has a hissing, snarling sort of sound. Still my favorite Melvins album. Great job producing it Mark and I’ve really enjoyed watching your videos and gaining insight on those early days. Thanks.
Nice story ! It sounds weirdly industrial to me now but nothing else sounds like it.
Awesome!
I understand why you have been harsh on yourself but the record is such a fantastic piece of music history. Maybe the record sound can be viewed as a happy accident and I listen to it all the time. It's awesome hearing some history leading up to the recording of the record.
Ozma was my first Melvins record ... do i'll miss the the 90' ... when it all startet... the concerts... the tours ... great story and get Lori plz plz ❤️🤘🏻
I remember seeing gluey porch treatments on cassette at Tower Records in Philadelphia. Later, I bought Ozma when new on vinyl.
Congrats Mark! you're the best!
Thanks for listening !
Candy-O was not on the original vinyl, it appeared on the CD reissue.
It was also on the cassette that I had 📼
I was at work a couple a years ago playin a mixtape and Vile came up and this 18 yr old sez wow is this Primus? I mean the very idea!!!
Probably because of the bass sound !
I agree the unique sound of the drums are a huge part of this record's greatness. Also the part about the SVT being used makes sense. I much prefer the Ampeg over the (Fender ish) Mesa bass sound and I can definitely hear the Ampeg "clang" (especially when a pick is used) on this record.
I would do it differently now but all that weirdness and unfamiliar stuff is what makes unique...
Great stuff mark.🤘🏻🎱🤘🏻
Read the title and felt like a dream came true.
It's what I do...make dreams come true !!
would be rad to see some photos from the recording session i always look for photos to help recreate the sounds..
No photos from that as far as I know.
Excellent insight Mark. Thank you for sharing this deep knowledge. Ozma. One of the greatest slabs of audio ever put together. Keep it up Brother. Greetings from the UK. 👊👊👊
Thanks for watching. Time has a way of creating perspective on the value of some things.
Great to get your stories on this entire time. I became a fan since 1992 and caught the Preston to Lori rejoining to you on bass and you three are the big missing mysteries from the Melvins doc and more so this stuff is awesome, thank you for sharing your experiences.
Thanks for watching. My accounts are highly selective, and also just my personal perspective on particular events. There's also nothing wrong with a little mystery...
Thanxx.Mark-always.fascinating.to.hear.your.stories-keep.it.like.that.-it's.so.important--cheers
Very cool and informative video!
Thanks !
Fantastic stories, thanks so much for sharing these historical nuggets! Ozma is a special record that still feels like it's ahead of its time! Also I like how you casually said loris "mother" wanted you to marry 🤠
I feel Ozma will always sounds modern. It definitely sits outside of what was trendy in the underground of the time. Lori's parents were great people and I knew them well.
Would be interesting to hear you talk with Lori Black. Always enjoy learning about all you Melvinsss. Thanks for all the crushing music Mark
Absolutely SICK job 👌🤘
best one yet. thanks for sharing
Thanks for these stories.
Best bassist for Melvins=Mark D.
OZMA ❤❤❤ I’m sure many of us would give Lori a warm welcome if she was to appear on your show. It’s niche enough to let her remain low profile. She held her own on bass when I’ve seen her perform with the Melvins early nineties in Europe. Would love to hear her reflect on stuff, not just Melvin’s related.
Lori has plenty of strange tales...
Hi Mark great video, loving all the Melvins content you've been doing. My apologies if you've gotten this suggestion many times already, but I think something that is sorely missing from the Melvins "lore" is your side of the story of how you were kicked out of the band. I just rewatched the Melvins documentary section regarding your period with the band and Dale and Buzz breeze by the circumstances of kicking you out, and due to your reasonable choice to not be involved in the documentary we don't know the full story. Completely understand if it's simply not what you want to discuss, but given the in depth nature of your Melvins content I suspect you could make an interesting video on the topic. Hope all is well.
There's a complexity to all of this that isn't particularly well served by a couple of minutes talking to a camera...just like a lot of things. The fact that this wasn't really discussed in the doc illustrates that, and I appreciate and respect their inclination to skip that. I haven't watched it, so my impressions are all second hand from people such as yourself. My lack of participation in the doc was a completely separate matter that was discussed in person with the film maker before the whole thing started up. I remain unconvinced any of this is still interesting, or requires airing, but certainly fans will remain fans and stay interested in any "new" revelations.... At this point it's virtually archeological, and of little consequence. Thanks for spending your time here.
WOW, you're old! l was 7 in 1988! Oh, wait... Seriously, I always enjoy your vids Mr. Deutrom.
Don't worry...you'll get here also if you're careful.
@@MarkDeutrom Oh trust me l know! That's why l said "Oh wait" once l typed out l was 7.... all the way back in 1988!! Yikes!
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Very interesting to get to hear all this back story stuff. I don t know Ozma very well, but I remember that all the german music journalists raved about it as THE Melvins Record. I probably most surely won t agree with that, but I ll give it another spin. Cheers!
I always looked forward to interviews with The Germans since they asked interesting and thoughtful questions. They also had a tendency to impart great importance to relatively insignificant things... I'm painting with a broad brush here, but it might be interesting to see if they still think Ozma is THE Melvins record !
@@MarkDeutrom Well. I only dabbled in Music Journalism, but if I had to answer the question, it would be Houdini, Stoner Witch or Stag and I m not writing this cause I m corresponding with you. Yes. The Germans. Very perculiar, and I can tell cause I m one. Lots of holy cows, and sometimes very insignificant Strong Ideas. I agree. The German music magazine scene doesn t really exist anymore like it did in the Nineties. Of course there s still Rolling Stone and Musik Express, but thru out the 80ies and 90ie and into the 2000es there was a magazine called Spex, which was pretty important if you were into Underground Music, but not only confined to that. That s where I got most of my information starting in the early nineties. They were really good for a while, and turned me on to a lot of great bands like Swell, Palace Brothers, and they were great champions of the Melvins. Maybe you remember being interviewed by them. But the Melvins also had a big Word of Mouth rapport back when and where I grew up. If you knew Music Nerds in Munich in the Nineties, the Melvins were big, along with Ministry, Dinsosaur Jr. It stretched out of course, depending on who you were talking to or hanging out with. I had a great musical acclamation phase there, knowing people who were really into Reggae/Dub, Electronic Music specialists. And stuff I kinda was on my own with like being the greatest Genesis Fan in the World and still am😅
@@MarkDeutrom Concerning your question, if OZMA is still THE Melvins record, I couldn t really tell you, cause I m not reading German Music Press anymore. But my guess is that it is not that big of a relevant question anymore, but I might be wrong. I m kinda hanging out here with the Internet Nerds, or reading books about music occasionally (I just read one about Fugazis "In on the Killtaker" which was really good. It is part of a series called "33/1/3" with books always concentrating on one record. Published by the Book Company "Bloomsbury")
Kira
Please do an interview with Lori! xo
I would say, for the understood sound of sludge metal - it's definitely Lori. There were others, though I'd be stretching the term - Sean Yseault's work on those noise rock White Zombie albums, particularly Soul Crusher, is pretty heavy and sludgy.
Mick from Kousokuya is another - her playing on DEATH TRIP NIGHT, from 1982, is heavy and doomy, though 1. Who knew these guys in '82, barely anyone knows them now and 2. As heavy and doomy as they get, it's a lot closer to no wave than sludge metal.
Still, if anyone didn't know these, you should check them out, because they are *really good*.
Love this video, subbed to the channel. Saw you with Melvins a few times bitd - I loved your characters (the Mod being my fave). Had an "interaction" that wasn't great, but I chalk it up to the time - which wasn't great.
This video is beyond informative and gets into real biographical detail which I find very compelling and, honestly, can't wait to watch more!
Pardon the ramble!
Thanks for the suggestions. I will use the interwebs to investigate. RE interaction : it's pure luck if you have a "good one" ....people forget that what is a recreational situation for them is a working situation for someone else. I've tried my best to be accessible and polite but I'm only human...thanks for your thoughts and for watching !
@@MarkDeutromWhite Zombie: in their early days, they were a kinda Pussy Galore/Birthday Party/Black Sabbath/Blue Cheer hybrid who were pretty amazing. Bassist Sean wrote all that material out in tablature, which, for a noise rock band, is both impressive and baffling! Not at all the band that Beavis and Butthead broke
"Interaction" Yeah, I totally get that - and it was a particularly bad night; Portland, Maine IIRC it was the day after Cobain died? The show was a rough one, all around just nervous energy. Were I older, I would have kept my distance - but I was a kid and you guys were my favorite band, so I just didn't have that sense. I definitely don't hold it against you (but, y'know, I'm glad we talked about it!)
Great album. I’ve got the CD with Gluey Porch Treatments tacked on as bonus tracks. I know a few of Ozma’s songs (Creepy Smell, Vile, etcetera) were being played live before they recorded GPT in ‘87. Is there any reason these songs weren’t recorded for the debut LP, Mark? Which song on Ozma is your favorite? I’ve always loved Koollegged, Creepy Smell, Raise A Paw and Dead Dressed.
Thank you again for sharing these stories, these videos are fascinating to me. Also, I hope you’re able to get Lori to agree to an interview. I’d be very interested to hear her thoughts as well.
I think GPT tunes were just newer and fresher, so there was more enthusiasm for those. Thanks for watching. New video up later tonight.
Ozma, what a great record. Even though I've personally always liked Gluey Porch Treatments even better. Probably one of my favorites ever, that album.
Everyone has their favorite. I will get to GPT at some point. Thanks for watching.
Fantastic video Mark. Thank you! And yes, interview with Lorax, come on! That would be beyond amazing.
Wow.
Mark, Candy-O came out on the CD release, my original vinyl copy does not include this track.
Thanks ! A few people definitely know more than I do on this.
Ozma is still probably my favorite Melvins album, and an absolute classic. I don't think you've emphasized how convoluted Ozma's (and Gluey's) songs are; these strange sluggish punk tunes with left-field turns, dissonant chords, unusual time signatures - maybe the closest that the Melvins came to jazz rock, but still in the format of brief 1-2 minute songs. Just these little enigmatic blobs of disjointed riffs that came out of nowhere. Do you have an idea of how this impetus came to be, for the Melvins to start writing more abstract and technically demanding music like that?
You should be a music critic ! I wasn't doing a breakdown of the record but more an oral history of it's background and creation. Ozma is simply what the listener wants it to be. It sounds like a bunch of little experiments to me....
Interesting. Please do a song by song review
Not the same genre but Rose Marshack from the Poster Children is my favorite female bass player of that time.
Thanks for this mark! Ive always wondered how all of that time period went down and how you felt through it. From an outside perspective I had to assume you must not have had too hard of feelings since you continued working with the band, but as a fellow human I also had to assume it was weird and probably difficult.
Also I didn't realise you were doing foh for the melvins at that time. Were you on sound when they did the your choice recording in germany?
There are plenty of things that happen in life that you have no control over but you can actually control how you react to them to some extent...it's difficult to get beyond emotional reactions to events sometimes but I feel it's a kind of practice that can be developed....it's somewhat complex. Maybe I should do a video about it ! RE FOH : I think the your choice thing was done on their first tour, and I was not on that one. I did the next EU one which started with Reading in the UK. Thanks for your thoughts.
Ozma is a masterpiece.
Thank you !
I’ll second Jo Bench. Boltthrower. 👊👊👊
Heh I wondered if you were a Brit. Is the Justin Clayton who was in Clown Alley the same person who played with Julian Lennon?
I don't think so.
Hey Mark. I was wondering. When was your first live show with the Melvins and where ? thanks
I'm thinking it was at the Whiskey in Los Angeles in 1993 before the tour with Primus. I seem to remember Monster Magnet headlining but I'm not sure. Did a few tours before that as sound engineer also.
Not sure if d_walsh meant 1st Melvins show ever but I know you played in early 92, opening for Bad Religion, probably just filling in at that point
you lorax and kevin are incredibly special bassists. Is she still as pretty as she was?
also did you ever find out what buzz kicked you for? all i’ve heard is he woke up one day and decided he was tired of playing with you. weird?
Thanks for the compliment ! Lori is settling comfortably into her older years in a pleasant leafy enclave in the Bay Area. RE "Kicked Out" : I haven't asked and I don't think about it. All water under the bridge now...
@@MarkDeutrom awesome. great to see she’s still got that little bass too. if you interview her ask why she was always playing with upstroke picking
Just so you know: the band's name is Melvins, not The Melvins.
Actually it's Mike & the Melvins
Thanks...I always wondered about that !
Ozma was the 1st Melvins album I bought!
didnt recognize him without his big ass hat