The Last Jedi vs Logan: How to (Not) Retire a Hero (featuring Dial of Destiny)

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    Who doesn't love heroes? Modern Disney, that's who. The way they have treated the heroes that they bought is honestly shameful. Let's take a look at how Logan retired the iconic character of Wolverine in classic fashion, and why his final story resonated so much more with audiences than did the Disney productions of Obi-Wan Kenobi, The Last Jedi, and Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny.
    #logan
    #heroic
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Komentáře • 194

  • @jaketaz2848
    @jaketaz2848 Před 8 měsíci +140

    The thing with Logan is, he actually WAS a shell of his former self but it was written as just another obstacle for him to triumph over, making us root for him even more.

  • @46sn29
    @46sn29 Před 8 měsíci +181

    If Disney absolutely HAD to replace Indy, it would have been better to use Short round. He's a beloved character who actually has an established relationship with Indy and Key Hu Quan is a good actor.

    • @danielgiovanniello7217
      @danielgiovanniello7217 Před 8 měsíci +31

      That honestly would've been dope to see Short Round come back as an adult.

    • @officialmonarchmusic
      @officialmonarchmusic Před 8 měsíci +4

      I was hoping! I wanted to see the adult Short Round return as an archeologist alongside Indy

    • @Son-of-Gondor
      @Son-of-Gondor Před 8 měsíci +2

      @@danielgiovanniello7217Random and completely off-topic comment incoming: Cool profile pic. Fellow CrossCode fan, I salute you.

    • @bretsheeley4034
      @bretsheeley4034 Před 8 měsíci +11

      I have not seen Indy 5, nor do I have an interest in seeing any other Indiana films at this point. The Last Crusade was the final movie in the trilogy, as far as I'm concerned.
      But if they go full Creed and kick off a Short Round / Wan Li series with Quan... AND PRACTICAL EFFECTS WITH MINIMAL TO NO CGI... I'd be so onboard.

    • @ShamanSage
      @ShamanSage Před 8 měsíci +3

      "Professor Jones, please meet our newest member of the department... "

  • @Iceisnice1
    @Iceisnice1 Před 8 měsíci +99

    Therapist: Not-just-a-disembodied-voice Master Samwise isn't real, he can't hurt you.
    Not-just-a-disembodied-voice Master Samwise:

    • @QuantumHistorian
      @QuantumHistorian Před 8 měsíci +9

      Yeah, not sure I'm a big fan of seeing the narrator that way. I guess that it might help building a "community" by forming a para-social bond, but it makes it seem a lot less objective to me. It's also distracting, I can't help but ask myself why his voice sounds 10 years younger than he looks.

    • @master_samwise
      @master_samwise  Před 8 měsíci +35

      It’s the lack of hair. I look 40 but I’m actually not even 30 yet

    • @tomgundy7332
      @tomgundy7332 Před 8 měsíci +18

      ​​@@master_samwise nah man you're rocking it. Not everyone can pull it off that well.

    • @Eilonwy95
      @Eilonwy95 Před 8 měsíci +3

      @@tomgundy7332completely agree

    • @gabrielzinho3230
      @gabrielzinho3230 Před 8 měsíci

      ​@@master_samwiseI can relate

  • @Eilonwy95
    @Eilonwy95 Před 8 měsíci +74

    Logan is an absolutely fantastic movie. Should be an example to all superhero movies.

  • @coulsonintahiti
    @coulsonintahiti Před 8 měsíci +45

    In Legends, Luke failed a lot but he was still a good character. If he ran into an obstacle, he'd try to pass it in a way that helped everyone else. If he messed up, he accepted responsibility and tried to ensure nobody else suffered from his mistake.
    There actually was a time he left the New Jedi Order in Legends, that actually followed his nephew turning to the dark side. It was for a few reasons- the New New Republic wanted to weaken the Jedi (and Luke didn't want to give them a reason for Order 66-B), he wanted to know more about the force from more perspectives, and he wanted the Jedi to learn how to do stuff without him. He continued fighting the good fight and didn't bow for the new generations, he raised them up.
    Also said people he raised up weren't assholes (except for Kyp) and had their own journeys and failures.

    • @user-yq9im9dk9z
      @user-yq9im9dk9z Před 8 měsíci +1

      Legends is just superior. It's just criminal that just because Disney didn't want to pay anyone they threw everything out. George fucked up to whom he sold the company.

    • @rhinobeetle582
      @rhinobeetle582 Před 7 měsíci

      Unrelated, but...the New Republic wanting to weaken the Jedi? Why do they wanna do that?

    • @coulsonintahiti
      @coulsonintahiti Před 7 měsíci +4

      @@rhinobeetle582 The NEW new republic, AKA the Galactic Alliance, was being run by Nataasi Daala. Yes, the product of the Rebellion members rebelling from the New Republic ended up electing Tarkin's girlfriend as chief-of-state. She hates Jedi and after Darth Caedus/Jacen Solo went on a control rampage and had previous chief-of-state Cal Omas assassinated, the people kinda agreed. It all went to heck and led to the Jedi breaking away and joining the Empire of all people. Worth the read, I swear it makes sense in context :)

  • @NotAnIlluminatiSpy
    @NotAnIlluminatiSpy Před 8 měsíci +104

    Okay, so...Luke had a vision of what Ben/Kylo would do and decided to kill a child. Despite the fact that Kylo went back to the light side in the third movie, and also...This act is the catalyst for Ben to become Kylo...It triggers his Dark side heel turn. So, my question is...Was the force just fucking with Luke? Showing him like...the middle of Kylo's future, without any context at all? The vision is what spurs the infanticide, and the infanticide is what causes the things in the vision...so if the force had just kept it's fucking mouth shut, none of this would have fucking happened...like...wtf?
    And that doesn't even consider shit like...All the evil Vader did, and Luke still tried to save him. Why would he be like "oh, this kids gonna do an evil. No point trying to save him, better just kill him immediately no questions. I'm sure Leia will understand."

    • @IvanKinkle
      @IvanKinkle Před 8 měsíci +27

      Dude, you're putting too much thought into to it. The writers of the sequel trilogy had no plan and didn't put any thinking of how the Force actually works. There is no internal logic to the sequel trilogy and therefor they don't deserve such deep questions.

    • @nont18411
      @nont18411 Před 8 měsíci +18

      Vader: Killed children, genocided many planets.
      Luke: “I can fix him.”
      Kylo: Taking a nap with a slightly clouded vision of being evil.
      Luke: “So you have chosen death.”

    • @KororaPenguin
      @KororaPenguin Před 8 měsíci +7

      I prefer the Luke Skywalker who helped Kyp Durron--the biggest mass murderer in history--to overcome his evil and turn over a new leaf.

    • @BlazinInfernape
      @BlazinInfernape Před 5 měsíci +1

      Not that I believe myself that Disney put any thought into this, but that is more or less how the Force works. Think Anakin seeing visions of Padme dying in childbirth, only for his reaction to those visions in trying to gain the power needed to save her being the thing that put him down the path of darkness, being the thing that broke Padme's heart and made her die. His reaction to his vision was the thing that fulfilled his vision. The Force is a test of character, it's ironic like that, in a storytelling sense. As horribly executed as it was, as inconsistent with Luke's character as it was (made much more sense for Anakin at the given moment), I do think this is something along the lines of that was what Rian Johnson was going for.

    • @xenomarauder1236
      @xenomarauder1236 Před 3 měsíci

      ​@@BlazinInfernape I tend to agree somewhat with this interpretation. I always figured that visions made Luke feel in danger and that is the "...single moment of instinct..." That he mentions in the film, that he was trying to protect himself, but this is not how it came off

  • @MrDorryn
    @MrDorryn Před 8 měsíci +18

    He died how that Japanese woman said he would in Wolverine : holding his heart in his hand. Just... Metaphorically.

    • @Eilonwy95
      @Eilonwy95 Před 8 měsíci +3

      Beautiful. Best way to fulfill that prediction.

  • @danielbadillo8334
    @danielbadillo8334 Před 8 měsíci +24

    Heroic male characters have absolutely been getting shafted lately, especially by Disney. Luke, Jones, Thor, and in a more nuanced way, Ezra from Star Wars. Off topic but would really enjoy a video about Ahsoka's shortcomings, specifically the writing of it's plot and characters.

    • @user-yq9im9dk9z
      @user-yq9im9dk9z Před 8 měsíci

      Filoni shafting his own character hurts more than these hitjobs. It's just obvious Kennedy just doesn't allow anything good to happen under her. That's why the same Mangold who made Logan makes a travesty like IJ5.

  • @victorhernandez5013
    @victorhernandez5013 Před 8 měsíci +63

    Yay I'm not the only to think that recent films on popular IPs are trying to be like Logan but in a worst way

    • @plebisMaximus
      @plebisMaximus Před 8 měsíci +7

      It made a lot of money and they want to cash in on that, without really knowing why it worked in that film.

    • @victorhernandez5013
      @victorhernandez5013 Před 8 měsíci +7

      @@plebisMaximus and don't forget to add forced diversity in every film

    • @callummoore6962
      @callummoore6962 Před 8 měsíci +2

      It's a bit more complicated than that.
      While I can see the parallels, it is worth pointing out that Logan and The Last Jedi came out the same year with the latter already in post-production when Logan came out. If anything I see it more as Hollywood being in denial on the faults of The Last Jedi as a story due to their ever-growing narcissism and push that films sensibilities onto everything as they dismiss any forms of criticism as toxic.....even though taking in criticism has always been the benchmark for franchise films like look what happened to Batman after the backlash of Batman and Robin......it resulted in the fan favourite Dark Knight trilogy.

  • @HaydenStephens515
    @HaydenStephens515 Před 8 měsíci +15

    Another Good Example, perhaps THE Good Example of How To Retire a Hero, would be The Dark-Knight Returns! Other worthy examples include:
    1. The Final-Battle of AllMight in MyHeroAcademia.
    2. The Death of WhiteBeard in OnePiece
    3. The Death of Barry Allen in Crisis on Infinite Earths
    4. Jonathan Hickman’s SecretWars
    In other words, if you’re gonna retire them or kill them off, make sure they go out in THE MOST EPIC AND LEGENDARY WAY POSSIBLE!

    • @Rauruatreides
      @Rauruatreides Před 8 měsíci +3

      And even if they don't, it should be treated as a tragedy rather than as some joke about how they are so terrible compared to the new character.

    • @HaydenStephens515
      @HaydenStephens515 Před 8 měsíci +1

      @@sleepywolf3517
      Yeah, I’m all caught up on the Manga too! Can’t wait to see it Animated!🤯

  • @jamestolbert1856
    @jamestolbert1856 Před 8 měsíci +10

    This is what really pisses me off about Obi Wan is that he had a purpose, protecting Luke. That’s his hope, that he can bring back the Jedi Order and bring balance to the Force. But he wasn’t the one who had to bring forth balance, Anakin is, and it’s Luke who had to bring him back and show that someone does still love him. Obi-Wan wasn’t being moody, he was simply protecting Luke to train him when the time was right and he had to learn more about the Force form Qui Gon, which pisses me off greatly that we never see Qui Gon train him

  • @ChrisParrishOutdoors
    @ChrisParrishOutdoors Před 7 měsíci +6

    A more reasonable idea is Luke was at a new hidden Jedi Training that he set up after Ben left. He's hidden himself and them away to protect them as they train, but left a map as a way for his sister to find him if he's needed. Rey find his and a small group of Jedi Trainees who she joins for a while before they all set off to help Leia that final battle on Krait then turns into Luke and the new Jedi assisting the resistance as Rey clears the back exit a few boulders at a time. Ending with her exhausted and unable to continue. Luke Stops fighting Kylo and does the same thing ObiWan did in EP4 while speaking to Rey and giving her the energy to finish. She has the final "hero" scene with all the boulders from the movie and Kylo "kills" Luke who vanishes as ObiWan did.
    The surviving Jedi trainees evacuate with Rey and the resistance, the next movie jumps ahead several years showing her now, with the mentorship of Ghost Luke, a well formed Jedi and a leader in the new order.
    Nah, Rian's idea was better.

  • @kingdomworker2615
    @kingdomworker2615 Před 8 měsíci +26

    Love your videos, you've quickly become one of my favorite new youtubers. Thanks for providing solid insights into some of my favorite franchises. (Your Sam gamgee video made me cry at work, so thanks for that 😅)

  • @annguyen.134
    @annguyen.134 Před 8 měsíci +5

    I did not even know Indy 5 was this sacrilegious... I am so glad I only ever saw the first 3 movies...

  • @rmartinson19
    @rmartinson19 Před 8 měsíci +7

    I think you hit the nail on its head with the point about the writers not sharing the same belief in human goodness anymore. Too much of modern thinking is infested with this insidious undercurrent of contempt for humanity, with this notion that humans are evil, or a cancer on the planet, or however else they like to phrase it. The idea that humans do nothing but ruin whatever they touch.
    To someone who thinks that way, the classic heroic psychology and archetypes are anathema. Because they are hopeful, positive views of what humans are capable of, and this flies in the face of practically all Post-Modernist thought. To a mind entrapped by some strain of that poisonous ideology, heroes need to be beaten down and forced to conform to a smaller, meeker, more submissive mold. Because that's the same mold that people like that want society at large to be forced into. They strip heroes of choice and agency, because they believe society needs to be stripped of choice and agency so they can live in their imaginary anti-human utopia. They are nothing but closeted authoritarians, pathetic would-be tyrants, convinced of their own moral superiority and working to undermine society the only way they actually can: through denigrating and tearing down our stories and culture.

    • @hatchhermit77
      @hatchhermit77 Před 5 měsíci +2

      Exactly. People inspired to be heroic will fight back against their "utopia". They NEED us to be weak minded and selfish. And they definitely need us to think humans aren't worth fighting for. I could go on, but I just wanted to agree with you. :)

    • @Mustafa_AhmedPGH
      @Mustafa_AhmedPGH Před 2 měsíci +1

      This is it. This is it exactly. There is just so much cynicism and contempt. Everything is focused on beating down and ripping apart the good of the things that give us hope. I've seen way to many comments trying to justify or explain away the actions of villains because "oh no society was so mean to them humans are evil they are absolutely right..." Life is often painful to heroes too. What separates heroes from villains is how they react to the pain of life. People like Rosa Parks or Luke Skywalker fight to right the wrongs. People like Stalin and Voldemort just perpetuate wrongs to feel better about themselves. Heroes rise over pain, villains crumble.
      A consequence of this poisonous ideology, as you described it, is that these cynical writers try to convince us that we will always try to do the worst(which isn't true), and that pain will always turn you into a villain. It strangles the hope that allows us to overcome the pain.

  • @R3_Live
    @R3_Live Před 8 měsíci +7

    You see the problem that modern writers face is that they make their characters so perfect to start with that they can't think of any way to make them rise higher to a hero. So they think by taking an established heroic character and making them seem diminished in comparison to the new character it will make the new character appear more heroic as a result.

  • @nguyenhieu6031
    @nguyenhieu6031 Před 8 měsíci +9

    Logan is the first superhero movie that makes me shed a tear😢

  • @jacobzanardi1930
    @jacobzanardi1930 Před 8 měsíci +9

    This was a profound comparison that I never had thought about.

  • @pepperpeterpiperpickled9805
    @pepperpeterpiperpickled9805 Před 8 měsíci +2

    16:08
    Someone pointed out
    (The seer Yukio from 'The Wolverine'): *"I saw you (wolverine) die... with your heart in your hand"* (He dies in 'Logan' holding his daughters hand)

  • @andrasbalogh4291
    @andrasbalogh4291 Před 8 měsíci +10

    Théoden is an other hero who was retired well. Very similar to Logan.

    • @KororaPenguin
      @KororaPenguin Před 8 měsíci +2

      And the reason Théoden had been a mere shell of his former self was because he had not realized that his top advisor had made a deal with a literal devil and gained the power to confuse minds.

  • @chadb2840
    @chadb2840 Před 8 měsíci +5

    Banger video as always. And Dalinar being your dog's name is awesome!
    I think another one that does this well is TMNT: The Last Ronin. While I really don't like the epilogue and think it diminishes a perfect ending, the Last Ronin (I won't spoil who) has agency throughout the whole story and fights his own battles. The first issue is him entirely alone trying to complete his goal. They really did it right

  • @cody1o3
    @cody1o3 Před 8 měsíci +6

    I know it was briefly mentioned but Cap and Iron Man's send offs at the end of Endgame were just plain perfect. Yes the MCU has been a dumpsterfire ever since but both the final scene with each character and their moments of passing the torch were just wonderful. It's such a shame that the fumbled phase 4.

  • @the_well-known_stranger2275
    @the_well-known_stranger2275 Před 8 měsíci +4

    I’m guessing based on your dog’s name you’re a fan of the Stormlight Archive. It’s awesome to see one of my favourite CZcamsrs is a fan of one of my favourite series.

  • @MaximosPhelps
    @MaximosPhelps Před 8 měsíci +3

    Great video! Though I will say, your format was a lot cleaner before. Maybe it's the audio, maybe it's because you don't look very comfortable talking to a camera, could be a few things. Keep up the good work though man!

    • @master_samwise
      @master_samwise  Před 8 měsíci +3

      So I definitely had some audio issues with this one. The microphone gain was up too high. I don't think I love the constant talking head with the green screen. It has its place but I overused it here. I'm going to continue to try out changes to the format and see what works for me. Some videos might be purely video essays, others might have me talking on camera but in a more natural way.
      Either way, I appreciate all the feedback.

    • @MaximosPhelps
      @MaximosPhelps Před 8 měsíci

      ​@@master_samwisewell keep up the good work, I found you from your Aragorn masculinity video and instantly subscribed. Maybe you could practice talking to the camera through streaming or making some smaller unlisted videos to practice :) I had a friend who got into videos and he found that looking into a monitor rather than a lens helped him a lot.

  • @matkahenkilo8554
    @matkahenkilo8554 Před 8 měsíci +2

    Nice video! When I was watching Logan I half-expected to see a shot where the ground on Wolverines grave started to shift, like if he was getting up. But I was relieved not to see it and thought: Good, they finally let him rest.
    One movie with a good send-off for a hero was for Rorschach in Watchmen. Though I am not sure if Rorschach counts as a hero. But his end was heartfelt because it was so in line with the character and felt so unjust.

  • @ridensroom6957
    @ridensroom6957 Před 8 měsíci +3

    It makes you wonder, what the fudge are companies like disney thinking.

  • @Milton2k
    @Milton2k Před 8 měsíci +3

    Yah, I teared up quite a bit the first time I watched logan. I rewatched with an ex... back in the day... she was shocked... for she had no idea that he was gonna die. So weird that Mangold directed both. I knew it was gonna be bad, but with him directing... a glimpse of hope I had. Not every wish comes true right?

    • @user-yq9im9dk9z
      @user-yq9im9dk9z Před 8 měsíci +1

      It shows that Kathleen Kennedy won't allow any director to do anything good. Even Filoni forgot how to make Star Wars after he talked with her during the Ahsoka show 😂

  • @Called-to-Live
    @Called-to-Live Před 8 měsíci +3

    Loved the video! Totally agree with the direction Hollywood has taken old characters and made them sad to watch.
    One critic on the video compared to others you've done, I was really distracted when you over-layed yourself to the show footage. I've watched most of your videos this just felt out of the ordinary. I'm no jury though, just a fan with a thought.
    Looking forward to the next video!

    • @master_samwise
      @master_samwise  Před 8 měsíci +3

      I appreciate the feedback! I definitely overdid it with the camera/green screen. Will adjust in future videos.

    • @Called-to-Live
      @Called-to-Live Před 8 měsíci +2

      @@master_samwise I mean you look great by the way ;) you have incredible passion and I feel like you're doing something important. Thank you for sharing ideas and values that aren't being talked about very much

  • @IsoMorphix
    @IsoMorphix Před 8 měsíci +2

    That lack of hope thing is real.
    The current ideology seems to hold that persons in-and-of-themselves are not redeemable or have anything resembling a 'character arc'--only purely and sinless constructed new identities can transcend the current condition.
    Theres a way in which thats true: a hero ought not identify with the cowardly and despairing self, but instead find their identity and self in a completed and unrealized future. (I think we just call that 'faith')
    But yeah by contrast, the modern writing scene seems to be pretty convinced that a thing that is broken is wholly broken, and its redemption is it utter replacement or destruction.
    I think that's particularly dangerous if you start taking it seriously.

  • @The_Borisaurus
    @The_Borisaurus Před 8 měsíci +1

    Love your videos Samwise. Keep up the good work. Your content always provides meaningful insight into topics that you are passionate about, so much so that it makes me passionate about it too!

  • @kylejenkins7166
    @kylejenkins7166 Před 8 měsíci +1

    Huge fan here! I found you after your Iroh video and have been watching and rewatching frequently since, I hope you continue to grow and gain viewers as you seem more enlightened then some other content creators who tackle these Hollywood movie disasters. Please keep talking about more of the stories we should know and the characters who see some virtues in even if what they are grey in moral terms. I'm hoping for one on Walter White myself.

  • @gimmeyourrights8292
    @gimmeyourrights8292 Před 8 měsíci +5

    What made Logan soecial was that it was a film about a man running out of time but he didn't believe he was done yet. He still had a goal and a fighting spirit.

  • @Kino_pup
    @Kino_pup Před 3 měsíci

    Just as a note, I’m not sure it was the adamantium killing Logan. I think it may have been the food.
    I’m not 100% sure, but I believe the powers that be put some sort of anti mutant thing in the corn. It started degrading powers. It’s part of the reason they showed the scene with the farm and said something on a tv broadcast about the corn. I’m pretty sure that’s why no new mutants popped up as much. It’s pretty smart actually.

  • @pepperpeterpiperpickled9805
    @pepperpeterpiperpickled9805 Před 8 měsíci +1

    Luke died from imagining he was having a cool fight XD

  • @Milton2k
    @Milton2k Před 8 měsíci +3

    Laura was a great character, yet it would suffice with any. Even a bland one... a one in dire need. Logan as a true hero would have give his life for a stranger. Yet of course you've made your point clear. I agree, fully.

  • @cornonthejaycob3088
    @cornonthejaycob3088 Před 8 měsíci +2

    Recently found your channel, and have been a big fan of the videos I've seen so far, you're putting out really good content.
    I appreciate you trying new things with the webcam (at least it's something I haven't seen you do before) and want to give a bit of feedback regarding it. This is almost certainly a personal thing, but I did find you looking at the camera, and then looking away to be fairly distracting, especially when you finish the sentence, look away, and then jump cut to the next clip of you talking. I enjoy seeing your face and camera and think it's a good addition, but am also looking forward to seeing you improve your "on camera" skills.

  • @beswes7907
    @beswes7907 Před 8 měsíci +1

    I enjoyed this new format and thought actually seeing you talk was quite engaging.
    However, I do agree with some other commenters on certain things. The particular moments where you’re centered on the screen with footage behind you feels sort of discordant with the whole edit. But I’m really no expert, just an opinion.
    I only critique because I enjoy your videos so much. Thanks for another great video.

  • @scottthong9274
    @scottthong9274 Před 8 měsíci +19

    Trivia reminder: Same director did both Logan and Indy 5, with totally opposite portrayals & results.

    • @bertimusprime7900
      @bertimusprime7900 Před 8 měsíci +14

      True, but who wrote it, and who produced it? Disney is notorious for interference. Sure, he's to blame to a point, but I don't think he's solely to blame.

    • @scottthong9274
      @scottthong9274 Před 8 měsíci +9

      @@bertimusprime7900"Sad old man gets replaced by perfect brunette with a British accent" - now did I just describe the Star Wars sequel trilogy, Indy5, or what Kathleen Kennedy thinks of herself and George Lucas?

    • @bertimusprime7900
      @bertimusprime7900 Před 8 měsíci +6

      @@scottthong9274 does KK think she is British? She would be that delusional wouldn't she?

    • @gorgit
      @gorgit Před 8 měsíci +2

      ​@@bertimusprime7900 Little details like that can be altered to ones pleasure.

    • @Zzzzzzzzzeezzzzzzzz
      @Zzzzzzzzzeezzzzzzzz Před 7 měsíci

      ​@@bertimusprime7900l

  • @yonatanyonatano1192
    @yonatanyonatano1192 Před 8 měsíci +3

    Dalinar is very cute.
    Will he unite them?

  • @michaellane5381
    @michaellane5381 Před 8 měsíci +1

    Honestly the thing i still don't understand about these Mega corps doing these replacements is... Why CHOOSE the replacement AT ALL?
    Make an ensemble of nothing actors characters replacing your retiring hero with returning contracts and involve the fans, like the Bat family works for Batman's IP;
    If one dies? You have another to fill in.
    If people can't stand one? Kill them offscreen or turncoat them into a villain, heck you could even alternate contracts and pump more films out that way if you really wanted to maximise potential while minimizing your budget for your biggest returning actor.
    The way they keep trying to FORCE these characters is inherently anti-pavlovian psychology and ultimately brand-killing or no real benefit to their corporate goals or IP.
    It's like a restaurant getting a goose that lays golden eggs and immediately deciding "lets just crack it normally, toss the shell then scramble it" then moving on to making it sunny side up, then killing the goose for dinner when neither plan panned out instead of trying to monetize the eggshell.
    Greed as a motivation is fine, but MAXIMIZE profit potential instead of trying to gamble on red or black, because the "house always wins" is a philosophy based on opportunity to win and the multitude of guaranteed gains vs potential losses, not just a 50/50 loss/win rate.

  • @katyt7470
    @katyt7470 Před 7 měsíci

    It's a book rather than a movie, but Nighteyes in the Farseer books was retired well. He stayed true to his main character traits of loyalty to family and a practical outlook, and the fact that it was his image that ultimately memorialized the other two heroes was an emotional moment that was truly earned by how he quietly supported and glued that trio together.

  • @AvatAR42420
    @AvatAR42420 Před měsícem

    "Deconstructing" is modern slang for miss the entire point of and make a whole movie/essay/whatever tearing your focus apart.

  • @DieselsVideos
    @DieselsVideos Před 8 měsíci +1

    Actually... The Disney+ thing is exactly why I'm wwathcing youtube at the moment. I scrolled through the catalogue and it felt like I had only the choice between movies I saw 20 times, bad life action remakes and Movies where I have to fear, or know, that they will destroy childhood heroes.

  • @zackwalker1721
    @zackwalker1721 Před 5 měsíci

    Nobody complained about the direction Luke's character took after the force awakens despite the fact that it was in THAT movie where it was established that Luke had failed to establish a new Jedi order, blamed himself, and decided to go into hiding. You didn't hear talk about how much that betrayed his character. Then we actually see him in the Last Jedi, and the story simply logically follows what had been set up in the previous movie. Luke believing that the Jedi were more trouble than they were worth, and therefore choosing to excuse himself from the conflict.
    Supposedly people suddenly had an issue with Luke in the last jedi because it was during that movie that they supposedly suddenly understood the point that the character was making as though that hadn't already been explicily spelled out in the previous movie. You know I can't help but notice another detail. The movie did not include a pandery fan service moment involving Luke, such as the one we got in the Mandalorian, where Luke is rampaging through enemies, displaying his power and being a total badass. Are we sure that the fact that we didn't get a shallow excuse to hero worship luke isn't REALLY what this is all about, and now we're just reaching for excuses to justify why we don't like what the last jedi did with him, cause we realize how embarrassing it is to stateour real problem out loud?

  • @davidwilliam9681
    @davidwilliam9681 Před 8 měsíci +2

    You should have mentioned the way Picard was treated. What a travesty.
    On the positive side, Top Gun: Maverick was amazing.

  • @michaelcastro2765
    @michaelcastro2765 Před 8 měsíci +1

    Out of all the videos I've seen about this issue, I think you understand it the most.

  • @D4C_Gaming
    @D4C_Gaming Před 7 měsíci +2

    It's particularly ironic that Logan and Dial of Destiny were both directed by the same guy lmfao.

  • @dragonlord4194
    @dragonlord4194 Před 5 měsíci

    Not movie hero, but one of the best send offs and retirments for a hero came fore Geralt from The Witcher games specifically.
    While in the books his story ends with his own death, in The Witcher 3 he gets to live out the rest of his days on a Vineyard after saving a dutchy from a vampire invasion

  • @joachymjoab1576
    @joachymjoab1576 Před 8 měsíci +1

    Is your dog named Dalinor by chance because of the storm light archive

  • @MeltPiink
    @MeltPiink Před 8 měsíci +1

    Great stuff!!

  • @blindspot117
    @blindspot117 Před 8 měsíci +1

    You're right. I did know.and i heared in coming two references before.

  • @Nexol13
    @Nexol13 Před 8 měsíci +5

    Your black lab pup’s name is Dalinar? As in the best dad in the Cosmere? I love it!

    • @Eilonwy95
      @Eilonwy95 Před 8 měsíci +2

      Well he is The Blackthorn.

    • @Nexol13
      @Nexol13 Před 8 měsíci +1

      @@Eilonwy95 Ha! I see what you did there…

    • @dillonvandergriff4124
      @dillonvandergriff4124 Před 8 měsíci +1

      Totally missed that connection. That's hilarious! :)

  • @kaylahadjiandreou9980
    @kaylahadjiandreou9980 Před 3 měsíci

    Awesome, awesome video!!! They did my boy Luke dirty!! So well explained. Now I know from a storytelling perspective why I was so disappointed at a gut level with what they did to Luke. Haven't seen Logan but always heard great things about it!!
    Thanks for the great video!😊

  • @dredgen0268
    @dredgen0268 Před 8 měsíci +1

    Logan was amazing. Plain and simple.

  • @fonze916
    @fonze916 Před 6 měsíci

    Man, when you brought up how Lara is damaged/broken just made me think of Logans last words to Lara and once again the movie is causing a Holy battle with the man tears. Stay strong 💪🥹

  • @hilgigas09
    @hilgigas09 Před 8 měsíci +1

    Batman from Batman Beyond. He had to retire because he got old and nearly killed a guy. The entire series he is training a successor and remains the same surly, secretive, stoic, but kind hero.
    Wait, that's what you look like?

  • @Dabeyoun
    @Dabeyoun Před 8 měsíci +1

    Is it sneaking if we actually expect it?

  • @elizabethkistler4763
    @elizabethkistler4763 Před 8 měsíci +1

    Love the Katara reference!

  • @jasonmaclean719
    @jasonmaclean719 Před 8 měsíci

    This is why a character like Peter Parker is so beloved. He's not rich, gets kicked around by life, juggles all the problems everyday people do, yet still does the right things with his powers. It's why Spider-Man 2 is so good because we know those struggles. It's relatable.

  • @Hammerheadcruiser
    @Hammerheadcruiser Před 8 měsíci +1

    A lot of modern films feel like they're written by sad people who are only interested in spreading their depression. Everything that isn't sad and depressing needs to be pulled down to their level, which allows them to revel in their depression and never have to be reminded that they can be better people if only they try.

  • @richardharrison4762
    @richardharrison4762 Před 8 měsíci +1

    Great video with good points. Have my like and subscribe!

  • @scottthong9274
    @scottthong9274 Před 8 měsíci +1

    Broooooo you made the video, kudos!

  • @alexanderstewart1074
    @alexanderstewart1074 Před 8 měsíci +1

    I did not expect to see your face 😂

  • @gkoymnbxykfb
    @gkoymnbxykfb Před 8 měsíci +1

    I have one big gripe with Logan. The X-Men failed and everything they fought for is lost. X-men in the movies always were hopeful and optimistic, but the tone of this movie is depressing.

  • @taylorscott1320
    @taylorscott1320 Před 23 dny

    What blows is that they handled older Leia and Han pretty well in my opinion. But they completely massacred Luke. If you could boil Luke Skywalker's character into a couple of traits it's that he sees the good in people and he never gives up hope. It's those traits that got him to redeem his father when the Jedi were trying to get him to kill him and abandon his training with Yoda to save his friends even though Yoda said it would be hopeless. He even saw the darkness in himself at the end of the original trilogy and chose to throw away his lightsaber to stop himself from going down his father's path. Fast forward to when he should be a much wiser Jedi than the last time we saw him and he's trying to execute his nephew who is ALSO a descendant of Darth Vader- so basically the person he should probably have the most empathy for in the entire world -The fact that Luke even considered killing Kylo Ren "out of fear" is absurd. Not to mention Luke completely giving up hope on fighting the good fight

  • @masonr1666
    @masonr1666 Před 8 měsíci +2

    What you neglect to realize, is that Modern Disney writers have stories they want to tell, but the management wants them to write for established IPs. Their resentment shows up in their writing.
    Writers want to tell the stories they make, but currently, in today's market, they are being forced to tell the stories that someone else came up with.
    New stories need to be told, new characters need to be followed, not just revisiting past heros.
    There are so many bad writers with the "proper connections" in Hollywood, that it is time to realize, we need to move past Hollywood.

    • @masonr1666
      @masonr1666 Před 8 měsíci +1

      If writers wanted to memorize different characters; then they would become actors, not writers.

    • @user-yq9im9dk9z
      @user-yq9im9dk9z Před 8 měsíci

      Resenting other people's work just shows that their stories would be bad too. It's not professional.

  • @matthiasheartman1342
    @matthiasheartman1342 Před 3 měsíci

    We need more comic movies like Logan.

  • @andyg3492
    @andyg3492 Před 6 měsíci

    Lovely Puppy !

  • @tonyk5927
    @tonyk5927 Před 5 měsíci

    Subbed good content 👍✌️

  • @Called-to-Live
    @Called-to-Live Před 8 měsíci

    Favorite Heroes so far who have been well retired:
    -Malcolm from Firefly and the movie Serenity.
    -Woodie from Toy Story (though their making a 5th movie so that could change).
    -Saul Goodman from Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul.
    -Puss from Puss in Boots The last wish (again, that could change).
    We'll have to see about Aang and the Last Airbender crew🤞

    • @Eilonwy95
      @Eilonwy95 Před 8 měsíci

      Oh puss in boots is a great example!!

    • @danielbadillo8334
      @danielbadillo8334 Před 8 měsíci +2

      Toy Story 4 kind of messed that up for me. Woody's arc was completed in Toy Story 3 IMO

    • @Eilonwy95
      @Eilonwy95 Před 8 měsíci +2

      @@danielbadillo8334agreed!! Toy Story 4 took everything Woody learned in the first 3 and said “nah.”

    • @Called-to-Live
      @Called-to-Live Před 8 měsíci +1

      I can see that. The cool and hardest thing for me about the Toy Story world is how much the toys had there own purpose outside of people, namely to be played with and bring joy and comfort to others. The way Woodie at the end of 4 says goodbye to the other toys hit home for me in the sense that he was pursuing Bowpeep, but it did throw away the lesson from 2 and even 3. I did like how 3 ended more and it's a better ending. I guess I'll think on it

    • @danielbadillo8334
      @danielbadillo8334 Před 8 měsíci +1

      @danielhailstone6280 I think it would've been different if Bopeep had a new home with a new kid and wanted Woody to be with her. Being with Bo is important to him as is always being there for a child, his true purpose. Leaving his friends behind to start a new life with Bo in that context would make sense and would reflect the choice a lot of us have to make in our lives. The aspect of it that ruined it for me is the fact that they are just going to living like bums at the Faire. No child, no other purpose outside of kind of selfishly enjoying each other's company. Like I get it but it just felt untrue to Woody's character. I understand what they were going for but it could have been better executed

  • @sofiaotero241
    @sofiaotero241 Před 8 měsíci +1

    Hey, I see that you've done several avatar videos (I love them btw), have you watched korra too? I know is not a perfect show but i think it has great characters and stories too.

  • @LoSDockForBoats
    @LoSDockForBoats Před 8 měsíci +2

    Great video! Your character analyses are what I really enjoy about your videos; you demonstrate that there are objectively better and worse ways to tell a story, even though art is typically seen as subjective.
    This is one of the big differences in analyzing art; understanding that while art itself is subjective, there are still objectively good ways to tell those stories. Art is not just spontaneous inspiration; it can be crafted and measured with objective standards to ensure quality.
    On a separate note, if you want to use your face in videos more frequently, I think that it would be better to do so by filming in physical sets, rather than just as a face cam sitting in front of your computer.
    What that physical set is does not matter exactly. The idea is that including different backgrounds, filming in different locations, and including scenes with your whole body would probably be more engaging than just your face and upper torso.
    Here’s some examples of physical sets:
    - sitting in grass
    - standing in a wheat field
    - lakeside (or any body of water)
    - on a porch overlooking some trees
    - on a boat
    - in a park
    - out in the woods
    - roof of your house
    In this video, including your face was better than only including movie scenes because it diversified the format, and that is what is important. ONLY movie scenes, or ONLY your face as seen from a single angle is static and less engaging. Introducing new backgrounds in physical locations makes the video format more dynamic, and it could also lessen the amount of effort you put into editing Media Clips, since you will not have to include clips the entire video.
    Just an idea! Your analysis is good as is, and it certainly stands in its own, but I think you stand to gain tremendously by introducing more variable sets and backgrounds.

    • @master_samwise
      @master_samwise  Před 8 měsíci +2

      Thank you for the compliment and for the helpful suggestions! I do plan to shoot more on at least one set as opposed to using the green screen (which I do plan to use, but selectively instead of ubiquitously).

  • @dipperpines2793
    @dipperpines2793 Před 8 měsíci +1

    The solution to your slippery slope joke was in your video: Just watch Bluey, case closed lol

  • @Milton2k
    @Milton2k Před 8 měsíci +1

    Logan is a great flick... Disney SW... don't let me star to rant about it.

  • @michaellane5381
    @michaellane5381 Před 8 měsíci +1

    Megamind did a pretty OK superhero "retirement"... It wasn't longrunning but... It was understandable.

  • @Noahtheorigianl
    @Noahtheorigianl Před 8 měsíci

    Aot sasegyo fighting beast titan Erwin speech moment

  • @NotColin
    @NotColin Před 8 měsíci +1

    I appreciated seeing the dog leading up to the ad read. An excellent transaction

    • @master_samwise
      @master_samwise  Před 8 měsíci +1

      He's not quite that cute anymore, due to being 70 pounds heavier now, but he's still very much an excellent puppy.

  • @GaldierMusic
    @GaldierMusic Před 8 měsíci +2

    Creators and storytellers tend to pull themes from their own worldviews. I'll let you all connect the dots on why modern storytelling is vapid, hollow, godless, and devoid of any life or emotion...

  • @RobertLanard
    @RobertLanard Před měsícem

    So true.

  • @Romezguide
    @Romezguide Před 4 měsíci

    Hey new to your channel!! Have you done Leon the professional ot Samwise

    • @Eilonwy95
      @Eilonwy95 Před 4 měsíci +1

      He has done a Samwise video

    • @Romezguide
      @Romezguide Před 4 měsíci

      @@Eilonwy95 thanks!!

  • @jameslars7391
    @jameslars7391 Před 8 měsíci

    So I do have one question and sticking with Star Wars. What about Yoda where does a character like that fall into place?

  • @CanalTremocos
    @CanalTremocos Před 7 měsíci

    How could James Mangold ever direct both Logan and Dial of Destiny?

  • @SchwererGustavThe800mm
    @SchwererGustavThe800mm Před 8 měsíci

    You say all this NOW, but Hugh is reprising his role as wolverine in DP3 and theres even a rumor of a 'Logan 2' in the works.

  • @matthodgkinson2003
    @matthodgkinson2003 Před 5 měsíci

    I still don't get how Logan and Dial of destiny had the same director.

  • @Lon_Suder
    @Lon_Suder Před 5 měsíci

    YEEESSSSSS!!!! I'm making a 2nd CZcams account so I can like this video 2wice!!

  • @BulanuRoz
    @BulanuRoz Před 8 měsíci +1

    its funny cause logan returns in the new deadpool

    • @Eilonwy95
      @Eilonwy95 Před 8 měsíci +1

      Big mistake in my opinion

    • @master_samwise
      @master_samwise  Před 8 měsíci +1

      I was gonna make a joke about that at the end of the video but forgot to put it in the script.

  • @benjaminfrazier1039
    @benjaminfrazier1039 Před 4 měsíci

    Bottom Line for any writer in Hollywood that wants to retire characters and put new heroes up: Don't set out to desecrate and degrade the heroes we love in order to prop up the new ones. If you want to retire the heroes we love, DO IT IN A RESPECTFUL MANNER! I can see why people hate this current trend in Hollywood and entertainment.

  • @konstakivinen4228
    @konstakivinen4228 Před 8 měsíci

    The moment when master samwise uses facecam and you realise he was saitama all along😅

  • @bjjukes4969
    @bjjukes4969 Před 3 měsíci +1

    Disney uses a software called the Geena Davis Inclusion Quotient (aka GD-IQ) which literally requires screenwriters to include speaking roles for women. I assume they have expanded its use to make sure such roles are created for anyone who is not a straight, white, biological man. Thy are literally using AI in order to determine what roles will be included regardless of if it makes sense for the story or for the franchise. If you don't use their tool your script will not be approved. If you doubt that, feel free to look it up.

  • @filmreviewer117
    @filmreviewer117 Před 8 měsíci +1

    It's funny how all these shows and films try to copy Logan's story but only did a surface level version.

    • @Eilonwy95
      @Eilonwy95 Před 8 měsíci +1

      Exactly! What they were missing was the heart, respect and effort

    • @filmreviewer117
      @filmreviewer117 Před 8 měsíci +1

      @@Eilonwy95 and the time to write out a heartfelt story with weight to it.

    • @Eilonwy95
      @Eilonwy95 Před 8 měsíci +1

      @@filmreviewer117exactly

  • @blindspot117
    @blindspot117 Před 8 měsíci

    Logan is the Tony Stark of the MCU....🤔 umm wait.... Logan is to Mutant timelines as Tony Stark is to Avengers timelines.

  • @Wayne5002
    @Wayne5002 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Your dog's called Dalinar? Don't let him near the matches!

  • @romasliv
    @romasliv Před 8 měsíci +1

    I understand that people can go down because of depression cuz nobody is invincible but i dont think it was the case with luke, they just made weak and pathetic, but sequels are not canon anyway, so i dont care.

  • @egonnn244
    @egonnn244 Před 8 měsíci +2

    Ironic that the same guy who directed Logan directed Indiana Jones 5.

  • @user-yb2kh2lt4m
    @user-yb2kh2lt4m Před 8 měsíci +1

    Your treatment of the topic is amazing and deep, but why is your face swimming around the video randomly? I much preferred the former format of just voice over - especially since in some moments you are visibly not looking at the audience, but at something on the side (script?), which makes it double annoying.

  • @ComedyJakob
    @ComedyJakob Před 8 měsíci +1

    I can't really get mad at Indy 5 because I was screaming that she should knock him out and drag him home in the theater.

  • @JB-gj8pu
    @JB-gj8pu Před 4 měsíci

    It's the problem with Hollywood Progressivism. It continually discards the old proven heroes and ideals to make room for the new. Yet what it offers is never as good as what it replaced.

  • @jadenrinquest7510
    @jadenrinquest7510 Před 8 měsíci +5

    Personally I don't think adding your floating face added anything important to the video. It just distracted from the points you were trying to make in my opinion.

    • @master_samwise
      @master_samwise  Před 8 měsíci +5

      Appreciate the feedback! I agree I overused the green screen. Just trying stuff out to figure out what works and what doesn’t.

    • @danielbadillo8334
      @danielbadillo8334 Před 8 měsíci +1

      ​@master_samwise always good to try stuff out and see what sticks. I sort of agree with OP, though it wouldn't hurt to show yourself in the intro and the at the end. Prefer just the screenshots in the middle but great vid regardless 👌

    • @user-yb2kh2lt4m
      @user-yb2kh2lt4m Před 8 měsíci +1

      I agree, I don't think that was needed at all. Its floating all over the place was really weird...

  • @jamestolbert1856
    @jamestolbert1856 Před 8 měsíci

    And it was Leia’s job to redeem the New Republic and bring back democracy

  • @Dyngfull
    @Dyngfull Před 5 měsíci

    300 years old AND might not survive his next plane crash.