A Spiritual Analysis of the West Since the Fall of the Pope
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- Excerpted from Lesson 3.2: The Revelation of Jesus Christ to the Apostle & Evangelist John the Theologian, Series 3, by Fr. Peter Heers
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I am going Sunday father first time the more I learn the more I want praise Him ❤
My Puerto Rican father-in-law in his accented English would comment on the news that, "People are crazy." Each time I had to hold my tongue from wanting to say, "Blame your faith!" The great ship catholic brought to this country, blinded to what was under its waterline, the barnacles of scholasticism, individualism, and relativism, ultimately, liberalism, the faith of the Prince of Lies.
wolf in sheep's clothes
Amen brother! Preach it!
Read Fr Seraphim Roses Orthodox Survival Course, where he talks about the schism. I never realized how much things like art could tell us about how far the West has drifted.
may the lord have mercy
"Wherefore it is incumbent to obey the presbyters who are in the Church - those who, as I have shown, possess the succession from the apostles; those who, together with the succession of the episcopate, have received the certain charisma of Truth, according to the good pleasure of the Father. But it is also incumbent to hold in suspicion others who depart from the primitive succession, and assemble themselves together in any place whatsoever, looking upon them either as heretics of perverse minds, or as schismatics puffed up and self-pleasing, or again as hypocrites, acting thus for the sake of lucre and vainglory. For all these have fallen from the Truth." (St Irenaeus of Lyon 130 - 202 AD, Against Heresies, Book 4, Chapter 26, Paragraph 2a).
Why didn't the church keep his tradition of chiliasm?
Lord have mercy on Europa. I fear a time of chastizing is upon us for our many iniquities.
repentance and prayer, especially night prayer can save lives, in order for a new europe to rize from the ashes, a Europe as the Lord wills it.
What do you mean for iniquities?
@@firefromfire4429 hasn't European society generally fallen into horrible sins?
Brilliant as always, father thank you so much !!! 😊❤️🙏🏻✝️🌷
God have mercy on the West
Amen, as a westerner may your prayer be heard.
@@prayunceasingly2029 AMEN☦️✝️
Im really working hard to learn the Divine Liturgy, learn how to sing/chant, to learn the tones, troparions, memorize Psalm 50 & some of my prayers, learning how to read. Im trying to pray more...daily. There's so much to prepare for in preparation of no longer having a Church.... outwardly that is - to the world. We will still come together, but what they did to us with COVID should have been the wake up call to all Orthodox Christians to prepare. We all need to know how to do the work of the Church so we're ready for when we're forced to secretly meet in the catacombs. It's coming. There's so much to pray for, not just for ourselves, but for the decaying, antichrist world around us.
This is the most important piece of awareness I have been given since I became an adult. It washes away a great, great, great delusion. Poof!
You took some words out of my mouth!
WOW! THANK YOU, FATHER! WHAT YOU HAVE REVEALED, THE TRUTH, IN MY OPINION, SHOULD BE SHOUTED FROM THE “ROOF TOPS”. WHY NOT! IT MAKES SO MUCH SENSE! GOD HAS TRULY USED YOU! THANK YOU, AGAIN! MAY GOD CONTINUE TO BLESS YOU!
“Should be shouted from the roof tops”
AMEN, AMEN, AMEN! Glory to God!
You articulated very well something that I’ve been trying to put my finger on for a long time.
Thank you for the light you shine
Shalom 🙏🙏🙏
Shalom to you too join the club
Excellent take. Spot on.
Amin
This reminds me of the book Franks, Romans, Feudalism, and Doctrine: An Interplay Between Theology and Society by Fr. John Romanides
The pope added the Filioque heresy to the Nicene creed with the pressure of the King and added iniquities for us. So he isn’t infallible as vaticane II affirmed. He can’t be the supreme authority on earth and in the Church.
In the eastern Roman Empire the temporal and spiritual authorities are united but also separated.
🇲🇪☦️🕯Are we sure of our salvation outside the walls and canons of the Church? Pray for me. Blessed Teserakosty
Glory to God for Orthodoxy!!! Father Peter, is it because of pride of mind that people are unable to see the truth ? Also, as an Orthodox, are we allowed to be organ donors? Thank you for your time.I really appreciate your lectures. I am a convert to Orthodoxy from Protestantism. And even now the light is shining!!☦️ Father Bless!!!
There are more and more looking East, i long since left The Church of England.
The root of all sin is pride and the result of sin is spiritual blindness. The west is soaked with pride, lavishness this man is so beautifully put..
That is a very valuable food for our soul. And nothing changed. Now EU and anglos try to spread the new "gospel" of liberalism and the good news that this time we are free from God! Dogs are our new gods who love us the way we want!
Very enlightening!!! Thank You for putting this out.
Father bless you for this message! God has used it at the PRECISE time in my life to sort out the jigsaw puzzle in my mind. I battle to not say to myself, “oh, so-and-so needs to hear this!” 😁 It is for me to make some hard decisions (Catholic boyfriend for one). Thank you!!!
Thank you so much, father, for speaking about this! It stuns me sometimes that American orthodox don't want to talk about the negative ramifications of colonization and capitalism on the world as if individualism and greed are somehow conducive to spiritual growth in Christ.
Colonization was collectivist based on tribalism was it not? It wasn't about individualist at first. But society eventually became individualist once all divisions in society began to be broken down including the division of tribalism?
What would an Orthodox Mission to the New World from the West have looked like? Leif Ericsson ALMOST started a Vinland mission, but it fell apart. An organic mission without any political baggage could only have happened via the Arctic Circle, via the Atlantic North Sea, or Siberia to Alaska, as Saint Hermon did, but he had not been able to do so until a Russian outpost for trade with the Pacific was established. This was influenced by competition with the Western colonial powers. The previous Czar dynasties simply didn’t bother prior to that, so there wasn’t the Will to establish a foothold for a mission to Alaska prior to that time, sadly. Those are the only two routes for an apolitical Orthodox mission. Any from further south, even without the schism, would inevitably have involved some or the other kingdom’s investment, and they would have wanted some earthly returns on that investment besides missionaries saving souls.
So, a thought experiment:
what if Constantinople had not fallen, and had subsequently provided Columbus with an alternative, better investor 39 years later?
What would they have done differently in the New World?
Thought experiments aren't helpful or suggested in Orthodoxy; but the Holy Fathers (I'm thinking of St Nikolai and St Theophan off the top of my head) point out that man can resist Gods plan for a long time, because God will not violate our free will. At the Triumph of Orthodoxy, the Saints say that it wasn't until the triumph over ALL heresies (the 7th Ecumenical Council), that the Church (not man, God) sent Saints to evangelize - Ss Cryil and Methodius, teachers of the slavs. Remember in the Book of Acts God the Holy Spirit constrained the Apostles not to go into Asia at one point; His providence. Maybe this helps in your ideas - which I've had myself. As far as "what would they have done differently" that is 100% on display for the Catholics and protestants who do not have the grace of the Church and its Mysteries - the Orthodox Church (God) sends Saints, not the sword, to baptize and missionize.
Also Remember that Russia marched all the way to Paris after defeating Napolean, and yet they did not force all of Europe (which was under their control) to be baptized Orthodox.
Awesome 👌 ...
We are the oyster, the pearl is our heart, the price 'tymi' is Orthodoxy.
🕊... 💞
True true... 😔
Fr can you do a video on the Orthodox teaching on Byzantine economics, since we reject capitalism as well as socialism
Excellent suggestion. This reality must be addressed (by the Church?) if we're not to prove ourselves hypocrites. The Muslims have their system; we need ours. Yes, we know Christ's Kingdom is not of this world as He Himself tells us in His Word; but if it's the very same 'mammon of unrighteousness' that Fr. Peter is here denouncing and our Lord advising us to befriend on that evil day, why then bother? Where are we to turn? God help us all!
This is truly interesting. I'm not sure it was your everyday working class European (leading up to the French Revolution) that wanted to live lavishly but the aristocracy that wanted to live that way. James also spoke on this in his warning to rich oppressors. Moth-eaten garments indeed.
"Never, never, never let anyone tell you that, in order to be Orthodox, you must be Eastern. The West was fully Orthodox for a thousand years, and her venerable liturgy is far older than any of her heresies." -St. John Maximovitch
Ecc 2:24 There is nothing better for a man, than that he should eat and drink, and that he should make his soul enjoy good in his labour. This also I saw, that it was from the hand of God.
Bodily pleasures are rewards for your useful natural and lawful bodily labour. Like caring for a child is labour and enjoying a child is not sin but enjoying a dog as a child without the labour is empty pkeasure. There are many like this in the world where people seek unnatural harvest without labour...
Quick question, As a Catechumen when do I leave the Liturgy of the Presanctified Gifts?? I know to leave during Divine Liturgy after the Gospel, is it the same? And do I not re-enter the Church until the sermon given at the end of the service and before the blessing of the memorial Koliva?
@Anomie with respect, my priest encourages Catechumens to stay for the whole Divine Liturgy. However, I wish to follow the traditional teachings of the Church and not this new economic. My path is the traditional path and Father Peter Heers assists me with that. Yes, he is my guy.
@@maryshandmaid3084 instead of leaving entirely, wait outside the church and pray for God to make you worthy receive one day the Holiest of the holy.
Pray with thirst for the divine misteries, till the church ends, without entering, but don't leave, but stay and show your love to Christ with emotion. That you crave for Him even though you cannot receive Him yet.
@@maryshandmaid3084 your priest is your spiritual father correct? You seek his guidance not your own respectfully
@@mariorizkallah5383 With respect, the priest at the Church I attend is not my Spiritual Father. Probably best for me to leave after the Gospel of a Presantified Liturgy. Thanks kindly.
@Anomie:
And who are you? And why do you respond and refer to an orthodox priest as “this guy.” Do you think people should listen to someone who disrespects priests?
He united us through His Son and the Holy Spirit and any person or group of people, idea, or organization who separates what He brought together is protesting His will. The first protestants sit on the western seat of the former Roman Empire - people who are my friends. The second protestation was from the secrecy, abuse, and cunningness of this second version of organized religion from the western seat of Christianity. Protestants never left the original Church in the East as they were never part of it. They left the Western and therefore never protested against us - which is why we get along. How can faith and an expanding former Roman Empire of brute power remain faith-based as opposed to power-based? Answer: It can’t and didn’t as was shown in Germany, France, and in England beginning in the 1450s - beginning 400 years after the first schism and 1,000 years after the fall of the Roman Empire in the mid-5th Century. Father Peter demonstrates here the importance of maintaining Hellenic aspects of knowledge and thought - for instance about the passions - and reasoning which is an integral part of Christianity. Christianity was accepted in a Greek culture that was administered by Romans at Constantinople. A great Emperor, Constantine was urged by his intelligent mother to adopt this Middle Eastern religion for the entire Roman Empire. This didn’t happen in Rome - in fact Peter was killed there for mentioning Christianity. I appreciate very much and have learned from this talk about how capitalism and especially Marxism and the radical psychologies of Nietzsche and of Freud (my interpretation here) are all atheistic. This assists me significantly in placing those very negative and hopeless views of humanity in a category which breeds hopelessness - atheism. Thank you for this. We are very fortunate to have such a great faith and a religion of hope and a religion of second chances as we improve our self to become what He has intended for us to become. Easterners, Westerners, and Protestants are all children of the same Parent who grew-up and went on to lead their lives as they thought they should - just like every mature adult does. I always remember that my brothers and sisters and I share the same Parent - and it’s as easy as that.
On behalf of my fellow Catholics everywhere. Fall of the Pope? Which one?
Two thousand years of Saints and scoundrels all mixed in together.
My father was Greek Orthodox and my mother Irish Catholic.
I am well aware of the best and worst in both.
My parents had been preparing my siblings and I, since the mid 1960s, that these days of Apostasy would
come upon the Church.
Blessing and Eternal Peace to my parents, John Peter and Helena Theresa, for raising us in The Faith and
providing us the tools to remain united in Christ despite unsound and immoral clergy.
Thanks for another interesting video Father
Timothy Constantine Fronimos
In 1014, the German Emperor Henry II visited Rome for his coronation and found to his surprise that the Nicene Creed was not used during the Mass. At his request, the pope, Benedict VIII included the creed, which was read with the filioque after the reading of the Gospel. Since then the Filioque phrase has been included in the Creed throughout all the Latin Rite…
This was the moment which the Papacy turned its back on Romanity, Roman Orthodoxy, and the Eighth Ecumenical Council which previous popes had accepted. This was turning its back on Orthodoxy and the Church and it is the beginning of the fall from the faith once delivered which has never been reversed and only gotten worse over the millennium.
@OrthodoxEthos
And you're telling us something most of us have known since about third grade.
The day that Catholics or Orthodox ever correct each other with a spirit of charity
rather a cudgel the heavens will shake.
Both are often so busy proving their 'orthodxy' or 'catholicity' that they forget to be followers of Jesus by loving their 'enemy'.
The Bible is quite quite clear about this era of a apostasy, we are living in.
Most orthodox live under the illusion that they are somehow a universal or catholic, church which, of course, we all know they're not.
The vast majority of modern Catholics, with the exception of some traditionalists of the Roman Rite, think they are, or more honestly, they could care less about being 'orthodox'.
Both my Greek nona and my Irish gram
used to say, by embracing the world, the church has dropped the baby Jesus.
These two ladies were just foreign speaking immigrants with no theology or philosophy training who k ew enough to live their Faith and die in their Faith.
Peace
Cousin Tim from Michigan
your father was not orthodox marrying a catholic..
Father, could you explain how is it that we say the saints dont make mistakes whereas the Synods could make mistakes?(since both the saints and the Holy Synods are illumined by the Most-Holy Spirit)
I don’t think anybody says the saints are infallible. Saints can make mistakes.
But, there are councils that are false and the main reason they were false is because there were no Saints or very few there. And the councils where orthodoxy was proclaimed was because the majority were illumined.
@@OrthodoxEthos ok thank you for the response.
God erases the mistakes of Saints in His mercy by not erasing them but turning into bebefits for them and us...
Latinophrones will never know the phronema of peace - the Orthodox discipline.
The First Missionaries like Saint Augustine of Canterbury to England and Saint Boniface to Germany teaching Objective Truth of One Undivided Christendom
should not be compared to later Subjective Protestant Masonic missionaries in triply even quadruply divided Christendom/
451 AD Division Middle/Far East into Nestorians split to this day
But of all temporal systems in place, capitalism is most conducive to freedom relatively speaking.
The best of all the broken systems.
I hope that Heers isn't hinting that monarchyit Putin-ism is ideal.
Since Jesus cannot deny Himself nor the doctrines He taught we know Jesus could not have been the source of the Elders revelations since he denies the Apostolic Doctrine on the Papacy. Hopefully, he just had a vivid but corrupt imagination. If not, there can be only one source of his visions. The one who was a liar and a murderer from the beginning!
What about the east? CAN U SAY THAT THE HOLY SPIRIT HAS CHANGED THE HEARTS OF THE PEOPLE WHERE ORTHODOXY IS THE PRIMARY RELIGION?
Remember Father Peter, many of those missionaries of Anglicanism and Protestantism made many converts in all the Global South. The Anglican Church for example, has produced many sincere Christians in those countries, bottom line, God's Word does not come back void, but accomplishes the purpose for which he sent it. All of the Evangelical work of the missionaries of the past was not in vain. I would say that many of the Anglicans that exist today in those countries have a legitimate relationship with God. God ☦️ used the Church of England to make many Christians, many of whom have converted to Orthodoxy, like you and me. many Roman Catholic believers have legitimate relationships with God. When Orthodoxy Triumphs many of these will convert. You saying all those Christians in the west are not Christian, is spurious. The Orthodox sat on their ass and did nothing, well these missionaries worked their hearts out. Now Global South Anglicans are calling the Anglican Church of England which is apostate, back to The Traditional Anglican Faith.
Don't say that a world full of Christians are not legitimate. They may be in organizations that are apostate. Nevertheless the Lord has preserved a remnant which will be saved. God works through the Catholic Church, and branches of the Anglican Church today. Be not deceived God is not mocked.
I am Orthodox by the way, a convert just like you.
Слава тебе Вожи ☦️ Амин.
As an RC I agree with almost everything said except the condemnation of the Pope. The Catholic Church has never misrepresented the Gospels. This priest avoids having to give examples. I believe 1515 ( the first 97 bulls by Luther) is a much more realistic start point for the decline of the West.
Even Yves Congor, RC theologian/historian in "900 years together" admits the 13th C western Church shockingly deviated from the first 900 years of the West + East. Roman Catholic historians have to admit there was never the papal authority shown in the first centuries of the Church until about the 9th - 13th C when the Roman See removed itself from the Orthodox Church. Read St Bede Ecclesiastical history of the Church - there are numerable examples of the speaking of the pope of the west being responsible for the Roman SEE, and never the entire Church - including St Pope Leo, St Pope Gregory. The supposed authority of St Peter is not seen in the counsel of Jerusalem, nor in the Book of Revelation, nor in the Didache, nor in the letters of St Igantius, and so on and so on. This is historical and irrefutable, and the fruits of the Catholic "church" are well on display for all to see. May you pray for enlightenment and return to the Orthodox faith of your ancestors.
The pope began a long decline of the west into individualism in declaring himself and his jurisdiction as the sole and final arbiter of all things spiritual. As a fallible and im-passioned human being his position is untenable and why conciliar ecclesiology is a must. The proof is in the Western pudding. The Protestant reaction is understandable in that if he (the pope) then why not me - ie every male head of household? And if not him (the latter) why not me (the wife)? And if them why not us (every son and daughter)? And. now... who am I to decide, as there are multiple aspects (passions) of myself speaking at the same time? ...ad nauseum.
What would you call the sale of Indulgences? In Roman Catholicism an Indulgences is the remission of the Temporal Punishment due to our sins. If the Pope can grant an Indulgences for a fee or prayer or a good work that means the Pope is judging the value of our Repentance, by what Authority has the Pope usurped this Office from Christ? Yes, for 100s of years the Pope of Rome have misrepresented the Gospel and given himself Divine Offices! The Pope of Rome increases and Christ decreases for the Glory of the Pope of Rome.
Dear Fr Peter, you make some rather interesting claims sometimes with evidence that supports the claims (to varying degrees) and sometimes not. I wonder if your messages are just another psy-op meant to further fracture our very fragile society. The saints you reference are not infallible and can be taken out of context. What I'd like to know is what you would prefer. Should the serfs have been kept illiterate or??? Western society for all its flaws is built on the concept of individual freedoms. What better society in which to evangelize than one where people have agency to choose?
This is really based in ignorance. I hate to break it. The Western illiteracy rate was very high, especially during the Protestant reformation. Orthodox Christians have always translated the scripture for the people to hear. Western civilization isn’t built on freedom, it’s built on an oscillating scale between tyranny and anarchy, which is its own form of tyranny. As far as Fr Peter being some part of a psyop, are you kidding?
Recommended reading:
the Orthodox survival course by Fr. Seraphim Rose.
@@OrthodoxEthos Indeed. My favorite book!
Eastern Orthodoxy has been historically DERELICT in carrying out Jesus' Great Commission and instead has invented man-made liturgical and theological practices UNBIBLICAL. Reference the Lord's condemnation of the traditions of the Pharisees.
We use the Liturgy of Saint John Chrysostom…
You speak out of total ignorance of history and reality.
Have you ever read anything about the Orthodox Church’s missionary work throughout the Far East and Alaska and Africa and recently in places like Indonesia?
We use the same divine liturgy since at least the fourth century. Essentially the same since the apostles, with only slight additions.
If you were a protestant, you don’t have any liturgical tradition. You innovate continually.
The Liturgy of St. James was from the Apostle St. James, Kinsman of the Lord. Our Liturgy is a shortened version. It's the forever temple worship God enacted Himself so it can't be of man.
We don't have the traditions of the Pharisees. We have the traditions that God Himself decreed for all time transfigured through Christ.
If only you knew how foolish these things you're saying are.
Interestingly enough I haven’t heard the Gospel preached on this site one time??? All I hear are you saying you’re only true church. And attacking other Christians. Thanks bro.
You’re not listening enough.
Do you follow the Revelation course?
Do you listen to the lectures in that section?
They are long lectures on the Gospel and life in Christ there.
The Gospel is a product of the Holy Tradition of the Church, they are inseparable. The bible was not canonized until the 4th C, and was only done so by the Orthodox Christian Church, in the same tradition as the Council of Jerusalem in the book of Acts, wherein Bishops (overseers) gather in council and "it seemed good to us, and the Holy Spirit" for decisions - for Christ is the Head of the Church, and the Church is His Body, and there is only One Lord, One Faith, One Baptism - the gates of hades will not prevail against His Church. So if the Church was prevailed against, the God you believe in is false.
Yes this channel is an heretical deviation from the Gospel of Jesus Christ serving only an agenda of attacking the west and trying to draw the faithful from the barque of St Peter which Christ himself founded. Very sad.
@@kyrieeleison1243 Not at all. The only thing on this channel is the Truth of Christ. The Papal institution deviated from it sadly, Protestantism being a product of that departure.
Then you haven't been watching this channel at all to claim something untruthful as that.
Thew moment he started to praise Putin, I stopped listening. And he is misrepresenting the Roman Catholic Church.
How?
The Roman Catholic church was the downfall of the West. Protestantism is its offspring.
He didn’t praise Putin. He just mentioned the situation.
Please tell us how it was misrepresented.
Fr. Peter did not praise Putin. How easily things can be misconstrued.