GTA Online: How to counter the Toreador
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- čas přidán 6. 08. 2022
- Toreador griefers are starting to become a thing now. So here's how you should and shouldn't deal with them:
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A lot of people are saying I forgot the Nightshark. No I did not. The reason the Nightshark was not put into the list is because the Omnis is better. It's faster, quicker, tankier and cannot be locked by missiles wheras the Nightshark can. Having more armor against missiles doesn't mean a lot when you can't be locked or hit to begin with. Both would work fine against a Toreador, but the Nightshark is significantly easier to kill with missiles than the Omnis
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No nerf. No icon. Best for griefers. Best against griefers. Perfectly balanced. As all things should be.
YES.
They still use the mk2
@@Chilloutandwatchanime Cause they're dumb asf
they did get nerfed. Can’t use them on missions and heist setups
It did, ironically they nerfed the one thing they shouldn't. Gg Rockstar
Ngl I totally didn’t expect Omnis EGT to be the best counter to Toreador
Probably bested by the hypercar by now, but still great
I actually saw the return of deluxo griefers. I wouldn't be surprised to see toreador griefers too.
The deluxo Is crazy
I only use my toreador for justice
Deluxo is easy to deal with at least. Slow, 3 explosive rounds, done.
For the savage all you do is stay on top of the toreador not too close to the ground. Change camera view to look down at it, once it’s below swing the savage down and boom
Damn, I haven't seen toreadors being used to grief. Only seen them used for counters
And it's super easy to kill anyone in it as long as you're ready to just either kill them with auto aim as they come towards you or if you have the height advantage
I can say I've died so many times in it. It's not invincible nor difficult to take down
Try that in a real lobby, not an auto aim lobby. Against actual good players, you'll get 30-5'd by some folks
@@SuckasGetBlitzed oh I know. I tried free aim. There's tons more helicopters and oppressors than auto aim lobbies.
I mainly use the nightshark as a counter to anything, it’s semi-cheap, goes down in like 30 missiles, can survive strafing runs etc
the vigilante is good against it but not at the same time, i used vigilante for about 200 hours and it has almost the same feeling like Toreador but its a bit bigger and slower
Can we get the armored Obey Omnis E-GT on pc ? Or is that an Imani tech ?
It is avaliable to buy, and yes, it's Imani Tech
Nice vid subbed and like :)
Thanks a lot!
You know what's a great counter... The Akula because the Akula can just pop up out of nowhere and take a massive poop then disappear instantly like it was never there to begin with
Its meh, kinda like communism. On paper, having a helicopter that goes off the radar, with the capability of having barrage or homing rockets sounds like a good counter... however, you gotta be pretty stupid to not hear the chopper or see the giant thing above you. The only way I see it working at least a bit would be if you were the aggressor and got the jump on them, but even then they'd probably see you once you fire your hellish metal rods filled with explosives, and then the akula turns into a giant, slightly more armored buzzard. Im telling you this because I've seen it fist hand, people think that going off the radar means I can't see them but when their giant chrome chopper is whiring above my futo, I just hop out if they haven't shot yet ofc and just pull out a minigun cause usually they fly super low just to get a good shot with missiles, or in rare occasions, bombs, usually cluster too which suck.
In addition, I believe that the akula does need a stealth blade option. Similar to the paraglider thing that has the option for it, a muffler blade to eliminate the amount of noise from the helicopter would help its stealth greatly because rn the thing makes as much noise as a hunter and is just about the size of a terrobyte😅
@@vainrush2070 to be fair, the Akula is pretty silent.
I was going to try the akula but, in our simulated scenario he knows I'm there so... Plus I'd rather go with the Hunter for the Chaff... hunter + gunner is definitely a counter
Also the reason I don't think the Akula would work is because the Toreador is way too agile to be hit
what i do is hop on my broomstick (i dont use it for griefing i use it for grinding or griefing griefers) so what i do is when the toreador user is turning around i quickly go to his back and shoot 1 missile and if he turns around again i go to his front and shoot another one and keep it going (and yes i use the upside down mk2 for deluxo broomstick griefers ik how to controll it also its 7am and i stayed up all night so my english might be ass)
Ok so this video just got recommended to me this late but i might aswell leave this here..
A method that i actually prefer over the hardcounter via Imani-tech cars and/or Nightshark are Planes with Non-Explosive MGs like the Starling/Pyro/Nokota/Molotok/seabreeze and even Mogul or Tula..
Since the toreador has a glass roof its actually rather easy to line up a shot from above killing the driver with a few well placed shots, might take some practice but there is next to nothing a toreador can do against a plane except for hide :)
Welcome and I'm glad it's still being recommended! I predicted that it would become more relevant
I just discovered that the sales vehicles have anti-missile fixation, so the speedo custom in its sales mission makes it a definitive counter
Except it only tanks at best 5 rockets, it's slow, will be tossed around by rockets, and you'll be wasting money by using it
I'd use a fully loaded Ruiner 2000 to kill a Toreador.
If they're dumb enough to approach you
Lowkey sad cause I always used the toreador against oppressor griefers
Got trolled hard by a toreador. Thanks for the tips.
Yes the Audi is tankier in RPGs and sticky bombs but the night shark could take 27 homing missiles which means if you're good enough with the sticky bombs you should be able to counter the
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too hope this helps
You're forgetting that the Omnis has imani tech and literally cannot be locked, wheras the nightshark can. The omnis is a lot faster as well ;)
@@DemonLordGamingAC0 yes ik that but the toreador has 30 missiles you take 27 it takes 3 to 4 sticky bombs it's a decent counter if you don't have the new car
@@DemonLordGamingAC0 I'm used to fighting mk2 with the nightshark and I've killed my fair share of toredors with the nightshark toredore has 30 rockets the nightshark takes 27 it only takes 3 to 4 stickys to destroy the toredor its a decent counter that what I was pointing out hope it helps
The toreador has infinite missiles
@@DemonLordGamingAC0 yep just looked it up but still the nightshark is a good choice in the fight
This might be new to some people but toreador is easily countered by a mk2 upside down since it can out run any missle and can fire straight down and using chaff with it is the most op vehicle in the game
It's a glitch though, a Godmode speedo would also be very strong against the Toreador. Also, if you watch my other videos you'll see that I never use the MK2 because I despised it. But still, you are right :)
@@DemonLordGamingAC0 Its still a hard skill to learn its not like its free for everybody u have to actually train with it to get good
And god mod speedo van is mods so thers no point of comparing them
What about the Stromberg? does it stand any chance against a Toreador?
not really, limited missiles, slower underwater and blows up in 1 missile
@@Reece1980 doesn't blow up in one missile, it can take 6 missiles (I think). Plus, it has plenty of missiles for one battle. If the Toreador hits you with some missiles and you manage to win, you will have to repair your Stromberg anyways, therefore the missile capacity is not that relevant
It's basically a mirror match. But The Stromberg doesn't have boost, has 30 missiles, and it has a map icon.
if you're good enough on missile evading with the savage you could easily take out a toreador
Even though the mk2's missiles were nerferd, its able to dodge any missile type while upside down
Not dodge, but outrun them. I have a video explaining missile behaviour in GTA.
But alas, as long as their missiles are easy to dodge it became a way easier vehicle to deal with. The Upside-down glitch has been in the game since it's release
@@DemonLordGamingAC0 yea but it's pretty hard to master so not that many people use it as a counter
Wouldn't say it's a counter because it's a case of they can't hurt eachother. Toreador can't hit the UD-MK2 and vice versa
@@DemonLordGamingAC0 you could probably use chaff and get a couple of shots on the toreador but only at certain angles
Still doesn't make it a counter. A counter means your odds are against your favours when facing a counter. A skill matchup is definitely not a counter.
Even if I can kill Toreadors in the Scramjet, it still doesn't make it a toreador counter
it was the first car i bought and i still use it!
c4 in the feet, and minigun in hand
I'm playing on ps5 and they're not that hard to deal with if you have right tools
On foot you can just fuck them up with combat mg since the autoaim is insane on consoles
Imani tech vehicles are lifesaver against toreador
I love putting slick mines into turns and then sticky them as they fly into the wall
Yeah, autoaim really fucks them up
Unpopular opinion/method, but using a fully loaded ruiner might also be meta. Thing is with this is that it has an icon on thr map, as well as it's necessarily not the fastest vehicle in the game.
If you have it, well, it would definitely win against it. But, the Toreador can still outrun it. You're better off with a tank imo
Hence why it's important to know what if you can attack something.
I can definitely kill a nightshark with a Flak Cannon, but It's a defensive counter. Meaning you need to be attacked for it to be effective. Same goes for tanks against the Toreador. They can't chase, and therefore won't be useful if YOU'RE on the attack. Just like fighting on the ground.
8:15 how do you get this car tho?
Buy it on Legendary motorsports. 1.795 mil
@@DemonLordGamingAC0 appreciate this man
Anytime
Plsss make a vid about the Nightshark and Buffalo SXT. Those are the most annoying vehicles
I have a video that shows how you can bait Nightsharks and other armored cars that try to run you over
czcams.com/video/w3RWBybz9Es/video.html
Here's the video.
When I see one
I use god mode speedo and save those low levels from griefers
The godmode speedo is very slow though unfortunately. So you can't chase them down unless you go ghost org
I have a solution to defeat a toreador, you can use imani tech,they can also use the mobile operations center cabin or also know how to use the oppressor mk1 so that the toreador is not expected
Oppressor MK1 against the Toreador seems super Toreador sided. I'm curious as to how you can beat one with it
@@DemonLordGamingAC0 my trick to beating something difficult is to use that vehicle against all kinds of people and copy the possibilities and make them one
Thx bro i got grieffed by a friend with the toreador and wanted to be sure that doesnt happen again
Good luck!
@@DemonLordGamingAC0 thx bro
the toreador is such bs to fight like the missiles can do 3 360's and still kill you
Dam man I was really hoping toradora would have just stayed out of the limelight since oppressor got nerfed fuck man I don’t want it to get nerf it’s a beast with pve
It only needs a map icon. That's fair since the Stromberg has one
Ion think they gon do anything to it it don’t fly middle have limited range
@@DemonLordGamingAC0 yea that’s fair
Aprendi a caunterar opressor, mas falta o toreador
Nesse vídeo vc aprende ;)
It's funny, I beat a toreador on a bike twice with the automatic shotgun
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I only use mine to grief other griefers
I use fully reload ruiner 2000 it's better xD
I'd recommend that if there ever is a session infested with Toreadors griefing
the starling is the best against toreador.
How do you hit a toreador with a starling?
Theres no point now that they found a way to make it god mode
Well you can still kill the driver with the Omnis without problem. How wouldn't that be a point?
I just camp in my sub and fire misses if needed
That's a good one
The bad is that the Toreador kills the Kosatka easy if it wants to
@@DemonLordGamingAC0 wait really? I geuss i was just lucky nobody wanted to destroy mine or feel like destroying it
@@gikkus_gungus Yeah you're lucky. The Toreador can just go underwater and wreck the Kosatka. If you can't destroy it with the missile before it goes underwater you better fast travel and stay underwater
Ruiner 2000?
Only in Fully loaded mission, it can't catch a Toreador, has a gigantic minimap icon
@@DemonLordGamingAC0 yeah I didn’t think about that
@@DemonLordGamingAC0 normal one can too, just hope over the missiles, but you gotta wear it down first. Unlikely but possible
@@stoner63reflex65 sorry for the late reply, but "doable" doesn't make it a counter. A counter by definition is something that can be done easily to win a fight.
For example: If I say I can easily kill explosive sniper users in a jet, it doesn't mean that a jet counters a sniper user. We all know it's quite the opposite way around.
So for something to be considered a counter, it needs to be pretty much a guarantee that you'll not lose against what you're countering, no matter your skill.
If you can kill Toreadors with a normal Ruiner 2000, that is impressive. But you need to hit 6 missiles against 1. So by definition that isn't countering.
The Omnis I brought in the video has a very low chance of being hit by the Toreador, while also being extremely tanky. While it can also target the driver directly. That makes it EXTREMELY biased towards the Omnis, hence why it was the hardest counter at the time
They do not need to fix the toreador it's perfect as it is. You're gonna ask them to do the same thing with the bat mobile? We need at least 1 or 2 vehicles in the game that don't have an icon how are we supposed to get other players if they know what vehicle we're in that's like our only chance against these kind of vehicles. If people know what vehicle you're in all the time then how are you supposed to get back at them I could care less for KD but it does bother me when people know a vehicle you're in because then you can't surprise them. And besides people know how to Dodge most rockets anyway I'd say the ruiner 2000 is more deadly it just doesn't have armor
Not having a vehicle icon is extremely broken for the Toreador. We used to accept that because it was a good way to counter the MK2, which was a bigger problem. Now the MK2 is not a problem and the Toreador still doesn't have an icon. You see why this is op now?
Plus, about the Ruiner, it can't even dream to keep up with a Toreador. In the video I mentioned "defensive" and "offensive" counters. What I mean by this is that defensive counters are good for you to defend against the Toreador, but you can't attack one with it.
For example: If I'm on foot, I can't attack the Toreador. It can just run from me and go attack others. If I'm on a Deluxo or Scramjet, I can attack the Toreador, but I can't really defend against it. The Omnis can both Attack and defend, hence it's why It's a Oppressive counter and IMO the best there is
FL Ruiner 2k can't attack a Toreador because it can't keep up with one. It can defend and will absolutely destroy a Toreador in a fight. So It's just like the Khanjali
Also, there's a lot more than 2 vehicles in the game without an Icon. The Omnis is one of them ;)
And honestly, I use the Scramjet all the time. It has a pretty big Icon that not only shows I'm in a Scramjet, it also shows the direction I'm facing. It's a matter of getting good with your vehicle. Also the Scramjet has the same missiles as the Vigilante + Is more mobile
@@DemonLordGamingAC0 I'm just simply saying that the icon doesn't need to be changed is my point
I understand your point and I disagree, but that's ok!
@@DemonLordGamingAC0 That's fine everyone has their opinions but I'm not trying to get rock star any more ideas here and you gotta understand it from my point of view because if someone always knows what vehicle you have then you're not gonna have the ability of surprise. You need to have the upper hand If they don't know what your driving
auto aim is also a viable option
Griefers on top
On top of the missile they get to their feet lol
@@DemonLordGamingAC0 lmao I think you don't have the correct definition of "Griefers". 💀
What would the correct definition be?
@@DemonLordGamingAC0 A player who loves to ruin people's experience to have fun.
@@DemonLordGamingAC0 So basically the griefers are the ones who are shooting missiles on poor players' feet lmao.
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I disagree the oppressor before it was nerfed had the same missiles as the ruiner 2000 I agree the boost gives a big advantage over the ruiner but the ruiners missiles are more accurate even if by a smidge they really did the mk2 dirty tho 3 missiles all misses like rockstar we asked you to tone it down or remove it not make it useless entirely just to solve the confusion if there are any I was talking about ruiner vs toreador last option was a baller option
I love the MK2 nerf 🥰
Also I recommend you watch this
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@@DemonLordGamingAC0 nice vid but I have done my research I've watched multiple vids and this is prob my fav czcams.com/video/b9etPwjkeUg/video.html
@@DemonLordGamingAC0 I like this one to but it's kinda boring fr frczcams.com/video/XJJm1a9LwjY/video.html
Actually it didn't, it had the same missiles that the stromberg and toreador had 😉 ruiner missiles are also on the vigilante deluxo and scramjet
Im mk2 user and i can kill toreador easy
It doesn't make it a counter. I used to kill MK2s with the Scramjet all the time, it wasn't a counter
Just get an imani tech vehicle
I guess you didn't watch the video
@@DemonLordGamingAC0 did right after commenting
Funny that now, some time later, you already know it. But back when I made this video, these cars were new :)