The hardship of boy idols [Hello Counselor / 2016.11.21]
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i LOVE IT when peniel spoke up to himself by saying '' so what if i date, im in my 20s now.'' YES I LOVE U SO MUCH THAT'S WHAT ALL IDOLS NEED TO KNOW
Yeah. Some netizen just forget that they are also human
why is dating a bad thing in the first place anyway. even if these idols are like 16 while they are dating, its not something unusual 😒
Because sick fans has this mentality " If I can't have him no one can" especially when it comes to idols so most agencies unfortunately support this shit by not allowing any kind of interaction between their idols with the opposite sex. Cuz they lose popularity when the are revealed to be dating :/ Actually in Korea, "dating" is considered a scandal..... like wtf?
Anthocyanins Vacuolar why welcome to kpop hahahaha???
Yeah, that makes me so mad! Why do they say "scandal" when famous people are dating?! Aggghhh so dumb. That's not what a "scandal" is, at all.
He’s the first boy idol I’ve seen without hair, he looks very handsome. And he has nice features
at first I thouggt it was just his style... Seriously he looks so cool, even without hair
I thought that too since I had seen D.O like that from EXO
@@jaelookslikechickenlittle3085 oh yeah D.O looks more manly without his hair, but with it he looks so cuuute
Ettaqoua EXOL
Exactly 😄
Ettaqoua EXOL with his hair he reminds me of a penguin Urghh he’s soo cuteee😆
"I am afraid I will get dating rumors/get shipped becuz I talked to a girl" Y'all heard him nice and clear DON'T SHIP TWO IDOLS JUST BECOZ THEY TALK
I think the real problem here is that they should talk to girls and not being affraid of dating rumors because THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO DATE FREELY.
This is a huge problem with Armys , because they ship everything. Few armys😅
@@sweeticeprincess1 .....I've seen SMUTS WITH TAEHYUNG X GUCCI I-
Suga_Genius fr, i saw armys ship hwasa and rm just because rm was smiling, but im pretty sure he smiled because he was on screen
I hate people shipping them to even Taehyung said it himself
Peniel has actually been helping btob alot since their debut, especially with International Melodies. His english tweets, translations and updates on schedules. Really helped us alot. Not forgetting his own Peniel videos he did years ago and his POV channel now.
I really thank him for still being so humble and wanting to do more
And if you think about it, because of Peniel, out of all the kpop groups, btob has the best English lyrics in their songs (that sound good and make sense)..Go BTOB!!
I hope peniel sees this.
He actually told CUBE one of their albums was missing from Spotify after Melodies tweeted at him about it. And they added the album at some point after. I thought it was so nice of him to notice fans request of him to talk about it with Cube.
He’s actually a talented soft amazing kiddo awwww we adore him so much!!
@@RemyConst wow!
Am I the only one laughing at the fact that whenever eunkwang is laughing, its really loud that you can hear it clearly LMAO
heyyossup
lipstick prince has it as a sort of bgm for their clips. :)
and I remember himchan and youngjae saying that Eunkwang's laugh can be heard even from a few waiting rooms away. lol
For real. He doesn't need a mic to be heard.
HAHAAHHAHAAHAHA
heyyossup ikr now I love his laugh because I kept hearing and it just got to me lmao sorry if ur comment is old
kyossup sameeee
1.Im proud that finally the weight on his shoulders is off now.
2.Peniel looks like a baby without his hat.ITS SO CUTEE
3.Eunkwang's laugh is contagious af
4.The way Eungkwang slides down is so typically him.😂
6. My bias is so brave for just doing this I admire it
7.Eunwoo looks so sad when they talked about idol life😭
8. There is no way people can resist to getting to love them all (lololol does that make sense)
Zel 9. BtoB is still crazy af 😂
10. I was legit about to cry if they got any more emotional...and then that guy said his hometown was 20km away hahaha
Cube: dating issue? We are an open minded company.
Also cube after hearing hyuna edawn dating: kicked them out
maybe some managers are open-minded, not cube itself.
I think that the biggest reason why the got kicked is not that they are dating, but the fact that they came against their company.
They probably knew Hyuna and Hyijonh were dating, but they decieded not to make it public by stating that the two weren't dating. However, Hyuna sais the day after that they actually are.
Sorry for my english
that is not the case. they are allowed to date but if dispatch saw you DONT ANNOUNCE IT YOURSELF, let the ent. do their job. they broke what is written on their contract and dumping pentagon along the way :) tell me if cube is wrong for choosing the innocent members of ptg over the famous idols that cannot even follow their ent.
@@jadonmejia2796 ohhh tEa
@@lys3521 But then again, she got all the hate because she had a lot of skinship with her actual boyfriend... So I kind of can understand where she is coming from as well :)
I love how caring and attentive Minhyuk is. He is so concerned, he notices things no one pays attention to, he listenes to everything the boys say, he keeps translating for Peniel during their japanese interviews cause he doesn't want him to feel left out. And Sungjae keeps hugging him and bringing into the group hug whenever Peniel stays behind. ALL of the BTOB boys care for Peniel, love and support him so much that he had the courage to speak up. Thank you for that, BTOB.
FIGHTING!
Sunny Nwanda i trully believe that they have genuine love for each other and have respect for each other's individual talents and abilities.
green fish and ham totally agree with you, even though I'm new to the fandom I couldn't fail to notice how they are always there for each
Just like a mom does.That's why he is the eomma of the group.
@@asmitagupta1527 truth 😢
I agree. 👏👏👏
actually peniel look so handsome with bald hair tho😍
Exo Taengoo , Santana is found
thats true he still look hansome even without hair
Exo Taengoo i totally agree with u
Exo Taengoo exactly!!
Exo Taengoo no doubt.
He's still so handsome even without hair!!
Bts Jin and v that's not rude. She was praising him
agree
ikr.
Duh bitch just because you change your hair doesn't make your face suddenly become ugly.
Mekanacbf they said if u still look handsome/prety without hair than you are 100% HANDSOME
and PENIEL DID IT !
"Being a kpop idol looks very flashy and grand from the outside. But it's a very lonely job."
:'( This is the truth everyone
#SHINeeJonghyun shocked the entire kpop world #gonetoosoon
😭😭😭it's been a year!
😢😢
Yes,I agree with this...Haters and bashers should know this,they are hating or bashing idols just because they are successful or that Idol just surpassed their idols,those haters are always saying bad things about the effort that idols make,they are saying my Idol is more deserving than them..but we all know all Idols deserve a successful life,they worked hard for their family and also fans to make them happy...so we people don't have rights to question their hardwork and effort...And Hating and Bashing will also cause Stress to Idols...So pls stop questioning their effort and hardwork,stop comparing,stop hating and bashing...
@sea Exactly. That was unnecessary.
Ya had to ruin the moment....
He did so well, I'm so proud of him and I hope he is in peace now. Thankfully he can rest now.😊
I heard Yook Sungjae cried the most when they watched this episode of Hello Counselor
Could you send the link?
Any link to watch it??
@@jerushagoldenmaknae2453 its from their vlive...
@@fuzz378 can you tell me the date tho 😢
@@sonamelody9631 It's the 5th episode of The Beat S4. you can find it on their Vlive channel.
I think what Minhyuk said was really important. A few other idols have touched upon the issue of them working too much and being under constant stress and experiencing feelings of loneliness and discomfort because everybody around them leads "normal" lives and think the idols' lives are really grand and glamorous and earn them lots of money, when in reality, most of us wouldn't survive a week as an idol and only the really popular and big groups can make a living from singing and dancing. I hope more celebrities will speak about this in the future so that the industry can change a bit.
I feel a lot of older idols are starting to really show the dark side of Kpop. Taeyeon has mentioned that she wouldn't allow her kids to become idols, Sistar had exposed that seniors would try to prey off the innocence of new rookies for their benefits, and now Btob is showing the harsh schedules they have. So sad how this is now their life and have to live this way. I'm just happy Peniel and the members feel close enough to talk it out
aquareayla Yeah, Jessica has said similarly that she wouldn't recommend her daughter to be an idol, Suga and Rapmonster have both voiced their problems with loneliness and depression on their mixtapes, Jonghyun and CL also have spoken out against some stuff that's going on, if more subtly than others. Jea of BEG said older men used to call her while she was on Produce 101 because of the young girls which is honestly just creepy.
I'm glad Peniel is happy now, he's such a precious human being and I'm glad Cube and the members support his decision. :)
Alissa Ditten sistar said it recently that if you think being an idol it's all glits and glam don't even think about being one.
Precious Bropleh Yeah, I saw that...I think it's great that they're speaking about stuff like this, it might change the perception of the public and lead to some change eventually :) I was already happy when they (finally!) introduced the law for working minors in like 2014. That was already a step in the right direction.
The industry is really dirty and scary tbvh. I wouldn't even dare try it for a day. I'm not sure if you have heard of this but lhoon covered the song "If I Die Tomorrow" and changed most of the lyrics his own and is basically about idol life too. It was heart-wrenching.
bald or not Peniel is still hot to me 💕
You read my mind. Plus that username is gold.
true
Chappy Llama lmao Peniel had the audience shook when he came out
Jongup's Princess ikr
yup!! to me bandannas look better on bald heads
After the tragic event of Shinee's Jonghyun's death, I hope BTOB'S manager is showing care and support to these guys!
And the managers of all the other groups!!
Cathy Cook excuse you I was having a nice day don’t make me cry again
It's not about the managers entirely, it's about the 'fans' who always create meaning to their idol's every action. Maybe those managers just don't want them to be involved in a 'scandal', which sometimes are only made by haters. Cause a single scandal can break them down, that's how powerful hater's comments are.
Aiz Criss or the “fans” that are obsessed and convince themselves they own these idols of are somehow their friend or lover and stalk them
Wait he died?!?
@@hongjo2750 no its a member of another idol group called SHINEe
I'm not a fan of BTOB so I dunno their names (sorry for that) but the red haired man what he said is on the point.. As a normal person no one would survive a single week being an idol... He is so true they feel so lonely and stressed for being in spotlight 24/7 ... So I wish people can become even more open minded and accept people for what they are and more importantly fans whomsoever we stan plz do respect their thoughts and personal space and accept them for what they are 🙏🙏 huge respect for Peniel for appearing in a variety show and telling everyone what he is going thru... All my best wishes are with you and your band 👏👍✌
that was Minhyuk rapper, main dancer.... Peniel rapper on the stage, Eunkwang their leader, main vocal on Minhyuk right and Hyunsik blonde on left the writer-producer
Its any famous person. Amy Winehouse really struggled with it and missed just being able to walk down the street and in a Billie Elish interview she implied she misses just being able to go places. Tyler the Creator implyed the same things in some of his songs.
Why do people become idols in the first place when they know how stressful it is?
@@neymarjr-xs1lu Unfortunately in order to gain money, people have to buy albuns and merch of singers, rappers.... So even if the idols just want to make music or be actors, they have to become famous too and people recognize them.
@@jessgomes4900 ou riiiiight. How shitty
My throat started tightening up and I felt like crying when Minhyuk said that Peniel felt happiest when his members complimented him. It's definitely a confidence problem that he has and I sincerely wish him all the best.
Seolyeon i literally teared up when minhyuk said that omg :')
Me too. 😢😢😢 i didn't know that til now. I didnt know peniel has insecurities 😢 it breaks my heart
Seolyeon what band is this?
ICARATARMYL HERE BTOB 😊
Do you know what interview it was from?
I am not a fan but I have mad respect for him. I love how kpop idols are coming out more and more and letting the fans know about their struggles (physical and mental). I hope this helps some fans break the disillusion that they have for idol and start seeing kpop idols as humans and artists.
Well said lol. I love to hear their concerns too. Nowadays some idols already open up about feeling lonely and stress. It really help us know their struggle and made us respect their works and privacy more
now i remember BTS' solo songs each member wrote themselves in the Wings album where they try to tell us more about themselves :")
(Well almost all their songs are about them expressing their feelings but the solo songs express their own feelings personally)
BTS' solo songs should be ILLEGAL. They all make my heart hurt and I can't stop listening . . . Suga's "First Love" always makes me cry. I feel such a connection with this song.
Anime Genetics ikr when i first heard it, i felt like crying coz Yoongi's rap sounds close to crying as he was out of breath so u can really feel that emotion.. And after i read the translation, i went all out sobbing. Never knew i could cry because of rap but Yoongi proved me totally wrong😂
Aliaa Lesmana IKR! The lyrics tug at the heart strings!
There should be a hello counselor special for idol too. I would like to watch it. Because there's many idols that suffering a lot especially idols that are not well-known
I don't think many idols would open up, tho. They have image to take great care of. Why, you might ask, BTOB can easily open up in show like this? Well, they never have any image to take care of since they keep on wrecking their own image themselves hahahaha.....
@@widya108 Ikr 😂 Both BTOB and the fandom, melody are open so I like them.
@@misskazenami7532 tbh BTOB change the way I see idol. But they are the only boygroup I listen to, so I am definitely biased hahaha
@@widya108 me too haha
@@widya108 haha they are so funny when goofing around but so captivating when they perform. Image is not important to them as long as they make people happy thats all that matters
Was i the only that was concerned over eunwoo as well...
No offense to Peniel's situation and the members explaining how it is for btob (i was still so touched by how he openly shared his situatuon) i couldn't help but notice how eunwoo kept dropping his head low in thought. Im sure him and the rest of astro know the exact feeling btob was describing. Life isnt easy and glamorous as it seems for idols. It looked like all the stuff minhyuk was mentioning was hitting home for eunwoo. Especially since astro is considered still a bit new im positive he had a lot of thoughts he wish he couldve shared too.. /: my poor babies... i wish all idol groups the best so they dont have to bear through so many of these struggles by themselves.
esp the fact that BtoB wasn't well known during earlier era, Well he is fans of BtoB so maybe he understand how struggling BtoB was during their unknown days
I noticed that right away. Im glad you mentioned it because no one seems to have caught that part. When I saw him put his head down it made me sad because like you said, Im sure he can relate to what they are saying
I noticed when Minhyuk was talking about how hard it is to be an idol, he kept lowering his head. For a moment I thought he was crying
@@markleeswatermelon3457 same, it really startled me. It was actually the thing that stood out the most to me in this video. I hope he's okay
I notice that too.
We often forget that idols are only human and that it's hard for them too
honestly I'm surprised more idols havent suffered hair loss. i know i couldnt keep up if i was an idol. i admire him for keeping at it even though he was so stressed and further for coming out that he's suffering hair loss 👏
Wink Blue many idols are suffering from hair loss too but his is a rare and surpise case. And also the fact that they're not as confident, honest and brave about it as he is. They all try to cover it up. But then again i think it's the stress that came after which made treatments and other medical approaches useless.
i think a lot of them are suffering from hair loss which actually can be seen from some pics. althjough i dont think other idols case is as serious as his. its more like their hairline is becoming thinner or what is the word and they are losing the hair earlier than usual. partly because of stress, genetics and a lot of hair dye.
on the same show,Mir talked about his hair loss problem and he was so worried about it...agencies need to give these poor guys some rest!
Wink Blue my mind goes to some groups who signed a slavery contract "you know who i mean"....honestly this is crazy and i hate being helpless to them
Another example is Chanyeol. Idk if it's gone now, but during the Monster era, he had circular balding, which is probably why he went back to a black colour.
'Only a few popular made money'
It hurts hearing that😢😢😢😢
Omggg yeahhh
*That isn't the love of a group. Some groups don't love each other and support each other like that. BTOB works hard every single say to make us happy. As do most other very successful groups. You have to work together and be strong when times get rough. That's what I truly love the most about BTOB. Their hard working, they don't give up so easily, they love, support and watch after each other. That isn't "let's pretend" love. That's real love as a family not just as some kpop group. A family*
I'm not going to lie, even as a Melody, I always thought that maybe, just maybe Peniel didn't get along with the members, or that the members excluded him at times. This episode really opened up my eyes and showed me that despite all the bantering they do, the members have always been by his side and tried to help him through his tough times. This is also the first time I've seen Peniel so happy and liberated. I'm happy he has his members with him, and I'm glad he feels as if they're family
aquareayla that good..i never thought so..partly bc at one time ilhoon said peniel was his favorite out of the group..and minhyuk and peniel also have a good relationship hehe
I understand if you feel like that but they seriously in good relationship. I rmbr before (i'm not sure from where) that they said ,they always fight to bring peniel to their home whenever there's holiday like chuseok or something else because peniel's hometown is far away . When i read those i feel so touched because they rrally took care of him so much..their relationship is beyond than friendship because they are family xD
I completely understand because as a Melody I thought the same until now. I have always felt bad for Peniel he doesn't have much lines in their songs and he does not do much with promoting. I am not saying it is their fault, it is clearly the company. But I sometimes wondered if Peniel felt it he had a place in the group.
Un Known i dont think her comment was about him being discriminated bc of his hair hehe obviously he had before before hehe i think she meant more like in general cause he is american, korean isnt as great, gets fewers lines etc hehe
Rather than the members excluding him it felt to me that Peniel was the distant one, because the members have always shown extra care towards him. But it's probably because of the language, he speaks and understands korean well but he's a different person when he speaks English looool But he's really comfortable with the members so maybe it's just his personality. He just prefers doing things by himself which I can totally relate to and understand. I don't know Peniel personally but i find our personalities very similar so i feel like I can understand him. Now, he looks so much happier and freer and not just him but the whole group. I am happy too. This episode made me completely trust BTOB's bond.
Peniel is very attractive bald anyway so I don't think it's a problem. But it's very brave for him to go on here and actively talk about it. ❤️
The problem isn't that he's balding or becoming unattractive because of it wth lol it's that he's stressed and losing his self-confidence in their group activities.
Alura White In this segment that's the problem, but if you watch the entire episode then you'll actually see that Peniel was stressing about his looks without wearing hats and other problems associated w it
Sena Park Well of course he is lol he's an idol! His image could be ruined because of it (I don't think it's right, but that's how it is). But the point is he obviously had stress before his hairloss. His hairloss is not the cause of his stress and therefore isn't the core problem
Deb I definitely think that he's really handsome without hair
He is still so handsome even without his hair. Like his facial features are so delicate and beautiful.
minhyuk's message for melodies at the end is so heart-warming 😢
I dont know BTOB very well but all i have to say is that Peniel is my favourite member and he is an absolutely beautiful person, inside and out. Whether it made it on news headline, got judged by media or praised, he is someone who i will always look up to. Suffering from hairloss is not bad thing, him able to stand in front of everyone, the media and the world shows how strong he really is. I love you Peniel, thankyou for being you .
Rachel Than thank you for loving Peniel... pls continue to support him and the rest of the BtoB members... you will not regret it... 😊😊😊😊😊
Rachel Than I knew that btob exist and I know seungjae from his drama and all the butler show and he is my fav but I never make time to know these guys but today after watching this show I want to know them on personal level and I will stan them ♥️
The boy from Astro is making me more sad, his head hanged low when they started talking about the hardships and not having money, and as a rookie I think he might've felt connected to their words. I'm happy for Peniel and I hope fans and him realize he's a vital part to BTOB
HelloDarling! his name is eunwoo :")
kookies and cream and who is the funny man sits next to eunwoo that lives in incheon?? 😂😂
He's Taeoh, an actor and also a singer from the group 5urprise. But I'm not sure if they disbanded already..
it's not ogre his name is taeoh
Sabrina Ho i think they disbanded
This is why NO groups/bands/soloist deserved to be called “lazy” or to be bashed. We as fans should not be shamming other groups or hate them. It’s very important to respect each and everyone of them because they really work hard to be successful. While we are sleeping soundly, they are awake and practice really hard. All of them deserved to be appreciated and respected.
Phylicia H ✅✅✅✅👏🏾
exactly, everyone who slandered lia and jennie for being lazy should really double take and check themselves. edit: ofc not just them, i mean as an example. it's really unfair for fans to do that to any idol.
with the exception of aoa's jimin >:(
@@allthelightwecannotsee and San E, jjy, jonghoon, jonghyun (cnblue)
I had no idea that going on a music show meant getting up at 5 am, and being done around 9-10 pm.
"What's that round world map called??"
"A globe."
"Yeah that."
He didnt know the korean word for it
He was so cute 😭
Altough he's bald, he's still really handsome.
I barely know BTOB but Peniel is really handsome wkwkw
Safira Kanza thank you for your kind comment...i actually thought he was the most handsome when i first saw btob hehe
Of course he's handsome! He's an idol, and idol agencies have super high standards with regards to attractiveness xD
But I'm sure he'd be really happy reading your comment
I think so too
For me, he has the prettiest smile among the members..pure and kinda addicting.. 😅😅.. Sometimes, my mind says he was my top 1 fav member.. But, when think about it again, i cant even choose.. Coz i love all members😂😂😂
"being a member of a group looks flashy and grand outside. that's all people see. it's very lonely job"
yeah that's true and i feel bad for the artists when they are being judge and bashed harshly and most of them is not even recognized and gets complimented for their good jobs which leads to depression and anxiety..all they did is to work hard and receive good feedbacks but some fans are so rude..i hope those rude people realize what they are doing is not good
MC : "If you don't wear hats they will grow back immediately"
Peniel : *Throws the hat immediately*
He is such a cute stuff ❤
I could feel Minhyuk's surprise when Peniel said he felt the happiest to receive compliments from his members. "Compliments from us mean nothing." In a sense, their compliments mean nothing since it's the public's opinion that matters A LOT. But receiving compliments from his friends gives him a reassurance of being valued and appreciated, which I'm glad the members do. :) I like that the manager was cool about letting Peniel date. That's a basic freedom everyone should have, and it's not fair for idol groups to have restrictions on their love lives. Even if not in love, it shouldn't hurt to make friends with people from other idol groups - it's a lonely and stressful career; having friends could really contribute to releasing stress. :/
Hi, this is a very late reply. But yeah, especially after seeing him and hearing his thoughts more through Get Real, you can see that Peniel is a person who only cares about opinions of people close to him. He doesn't care about his image and although that can sound horrible, thankfully he's also a man with respectful attitude so he doesn't act rashly. He's such a wholesome bean💙
noticed Eunwoo just gone gloomy after Minhyuk talked about hardship of idols.....i hope he won't regret about being idol, cause he is loved by many of his fans too.......BTOB FIGHTING!!!ASTRO FIGHTING!!!
the way that eunwoo kept dropping his head made me want to cry. When i first saw this episode 4 years ago, I didn't catch it, but now rewatching it, I caught it. It was subtle, but I can tell it hit home for him.
People always doubted astro and eunwoo himself. Saying that he'll never be seen as a true idol and only as an actor. They discredit all if the years he trained to be an idol and his singing abilities. He may not be the best, but he's continuously trying his best at being an idol.
I love him and I hope people realize that he isn't just a pretty face. He has many talents other than just acting. And he genuinely loves being in astro.
Anyways, I love both ASTRO & BTOB sm. It hurts seeing them hurt like this.
Being an idol is a paradox. You make a living off of making people feel better. And yet, it is a very lonely job to have. I wish the best for these idols.
Lee Yongja spitting facts
“Your CEO?”
“My CEO...My CEO.”
“You need to switch companies.”
I don't really know this group but after watching weekly idol then this. This group is really amazing at heart. They are definitely a group to stan.
AKMU ARMY of course, especially when the time that btob members always telling us melody to wait and be patient because someday, they will show a wonderful music for us... for them, BTOB sells emotion and not album. So when we finally did win them in music shows, all melody cried out loud for the success given to btob hardwork... btob member said that this is the beginning of togetherness its either from low or high... as long as btob will make music , they will stick together for melody
LJ aww that's beautiful. 😊 the group and fandom seem very nice. I think it's about time I check their music out!!
Yes they are fun, friendly, and a bit on the crazy side. They're really talented too!
Thank you!
AKMU ARMY u suck
now i gotta go listen to btob
yes please
you won't regret
lexis Mendoza welcome to the fam ❤️😂
ahaha sameee
Thank you~
Peniel is so cool for coming out here & letting his fans & public know about his conditions. And I feel so touched with Minhyuk's warm words. Wishing the best for BTOB (so sad Ilhoon has left).
Minhyuk's message brought me tears 😭 I really stan the right group. Warm hearted individuals 💙
😭 I actually feel really bad for liking kpop, since the industry is really harsh and the idols in general go through excessive stress and hardships. Especially nowadays, it feels like appearance matters much more than talent, which is awful. This causes even more stress to the existing stress which comes from the killer schedules and possible loneliness and drifting apart with friends ,like said here. Also there is the fact there are so *many* groups fighting for the fans' love and attention.
I wouldn't want to support this madness but I love kpop and my groups so much.. I just want them and every idol to be happy with their lives and what they do! In the end it's their choice to become an idol, but still. I wish the industry wouldn't be SO raw.
BTOB, I love you so, so much! ♡ It was wonderful to hear what Minhyuk said about Peniel how the groups opinions shouldn't make such a difference to him and that fans shouldn't view him differently. How they hugged Peniel or so after their mini performance, it's incredibly lovely that they're a real family and support each other. ♡ Melodies will also always be here! ♡
I'm not too familiar with BTOB, but this really touched my heart! And I'm so happy to know that someone feels the same way too! I always think about trying to stop supporting KPOP because of how badly idols are treated, but then I also think about how much harsher they might treat them and how hard it will be on the idols from lack of support from fans. There's really no way out of it. But, the best thing we can do as fans is being there as support and reminding them that we are always with them, reminding them that they are only human and help other fans be more understanding when an idol may not act appropriately. It makes me so mad that idols get so much criticism and hate for doing something a 'normal' person would do; like smoking, drinking, or getting mad. Being an idol is stressful, they're not going to be all smiles 24/7.
Ariana Reyes Yes! Nice to know your similar thoughts.
Let's support even better our beloved groups and idols! ♡
monday blues enthusiast it’s not bad I think it depends on the company mostly like big hit I’ve done research with i think they do give them so leeway and I think things r getting better now that this is all coming out to fans and they have been getting longer breaks between albums and things but u have to remember the members r also kind of addicted to a sense they love to sing and dance and will do anything to do it
You know what by supporting their freedom and being happy when they date, being supportive if they take breaks we encourage the industry to change. We make the industry, our views and happiness lead to our willingness to spend our money. So let us show them we are happy when the idols are happy and we will drag any CEO down and break a company if they hurt these lovely people
fighting peniel..💪 n to all underrated idols out there especially ze:a, be strong and always do your best.. fans are always supporting you guys..
I said the same and cheer for our VIXX as well. T_T let's keep on fighting!!
ZE:A'S&IF 4eva monsta x too 😭
monsta x isn't underrated tho. they are going mama this year. btob is their senior but rarely or nearly didn't attend those award ceremony.
I want a Ze:a comeback so bad! I'm a KissMe so I get it too! 😭
mona9008 I used to be a kissme
On a positive note. Am I the only one that finds Eunkwang's loud laughter at the background even when he isn't shown in screen, one of the funniest things?😂
I feel like the manager isn't getting enough credit. Most managers barely let idols be themselves behind closed doors and make them change their personalities but he just let's BTOB live their own lives. I feel like if more managers had this mindset we would see better performances and happier idols
I think more idols should come up and share their stories hardships with others like him, its high time that the idol industry's norms change. It was heartening to see him freely expressing his thoughts on their stressful life.
And as truly said by Minhyuk only few idol groups get to earn big amounts, and the competition is so tough that even artists with good skills can't make it big as per their potential. They seriously need to be acknowledged and appreciated more.
This video makes me STAN them next to BTS. 😍😍😍😍
I'm really mad to all those netizen who thinks that being an IDOL means that they have to be PERFECT.😤😤 Actually I'm crying after watching this, because some fans ONLY SEE how happy and favorable their lives are. But they don't know how much ENERGY, TIME AND PRACTICES THEY EXCHANGE TO GET THAT POPULARITY. 😭😭😭😭😭
Hope that many also were inspired and come to like them after watching this. 😍😍😘😘
Btw, I really LOVE their comeback song I'LL BE YOUR MAN. Although it was not nominated or they didn't win. I knew that they have ONE OF THE BEST COMEBACK SONG THIS NOVEMBER. 😍😍😘
P.S I hope they gain more fans INTERNATIONALLY. 😘
#BTOBFIGHTING!
#BTSHWAITING!
Takara Kim pls do. You will never regret on stanning this amazing boys... aside from talents, they have really good personality
You said what I wanted to say. I don't stan anyone except BTS. But from on I'll make sure to keep an eye on BTOB too.
I work in this Industry I know exactly how hard and tough it can be and it really really sucks, but if you achieve your dreams it pays off in the end, but many of the things that cause problems and stress are slow to change, I hope we can improve the system but in the entertainment industry people are slow to change.
LJ what's the FANDOM name?
Takara Kim We are Melody ! :)
Who's watching this now
And started to cry when Eunkwang said 'i hope the seven of us keep going strong together'
Peniel represents those idols with dating issues. He literally gave voice to the questions “Why can’t we date?” that other idols are asking deep down inside. Let’s be open minded people
eunkwang doesnt need the mic when he laughed xD
I'm so so so glad they opened up about this, people need to know what idols go through, a lot of people think it's very easy and they're rich and everything is handed to them. It's crazy to think that they work hard today and work even harder the next day, it's almost impossible to work harder than they already do (I hope that made sense). Btw who's the guy on the yellow/orange jumper?
Ka tie Cha Eunwoo Astro :)
Ka tie People in Korea know how hard it is to become an idol and how hard it is to live that life...
eunji park I'm talking about people that are not from Korea, they find it hard to understand :-)
새미 THANKS!
Ka tie yeah exactly they don't even know and please who is the guy with the red hair i think he is a celebrity right 😅
9:13 When Eunkwang stopped dancing and looked at Peniel with that big smile , it really hit my heart🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺❤️❤️❤️
My first thought when watching 6:15 is how happy I am for Peniel. He was worrying about what he could do to promote the group and now years later he's opened up BTOB to a whole new audience/fan base due to being on Eric Nams channel and his social media presence internationally! That's how I discovered BTOB bc I saw Peniel in some of the podcasts! And I'm so glad I did!
I became his fan and getting to knkw btob members only n only because of him on dive pods 😭😭 ❤❤❤❤❤❤
Society has to realize these idols are normal people as well!! They go to school, practice everyday for hours at end, and still manage to put a smile on. I applaud all idols (boys/girls) They work their asses off harder then most people and still don't get paid as much as they should. It hurts to see my Peniel like that but I'm happy he's not embarrassed or ashamed about it. To see his smile when they all started dancing made me cry, just to see the bond they have!! I love Eunwoo (boy in yellow/in Astro) as much as I love BtoB and seeing his reaction to their situation made me hurt inside. Eunwoo is doing a lot right now with MCing, Variety Shows, Comeback I just hope he takes what BtoB said and use it wisely.
Amanda Yanez So that is Eunwoo!! I kepting asking myself that but was not 100% positive because i doubt myself a lot!! 😄😄 YEAH Eunwoo for being a good human being!! I'm a big fan of Astro so that makes me really happy to know it is him. 😄😄
Omg it made me so happy seeing Peniel dancing with his bald head :,) he looked so confident and happy! He stood out! He should be more proud of his uniqueness.
MewMewPowerForever
Me too! And if you check their MR removed video for I'll be your man, his rap is really clear.. It's like he gained so much confidence.. love him so much!
Meganmooo_ What? xD Did you forgot to write something? O.o Also, Rosette I know I am so proud of him!
MewMewPowerForever lol i accidently replied with your name. sorry about that. ;)
Its fine :) I was just curious as to what u meant
No matter how many times I go back to this I hurt for Peniel. Variety shows are hard BUT I still think Peniel should have been casted on running man. Yu Jaesok and Haha are literally a perfect combo for him to shine! What would it take to get Peniel on Running Man??????
Lee Minhyuk is really BTOB's mother ❤💙
I seriously couldn't stop smiling throughout the whole video, he looks so happy!
Reasons why BTOB should be more known. They really all have a heart for their work and friends. I think the way Peniel said to promote BTOB was difficult. I believe that's one of the reasons he started his POV channel. He really does love his work, but hearing that his manager was a tad tough and false assumptions were made on him, that's really sad. I love Peniel and I'm super new to BTOB, as well. I could tell already he was a kindhearted man.
Minhyuk seriously has a gift for words. I can hear him talk ALL DAY LONG.
Wow i love how real they are & how they understand each other like a family.
Noona W agree with your assessment!
That's the reason they're one of only 2 Korean group that I adore.
i love how your comment began with a "wow"
As Minhyuk said, "Being a member of a group, looks very flashy and grand from the outside" only OUTSIDE! When we know them little deep, its so hard and yup, lonely as Eunkwang said. So I really appreciate all the Kpop idols out there who work so tough, and the ones who are not from Korea itself are more appreciable since they leave their family, friends and everything to chase their passion :)) BtoB Fighting!! Penial Fighting!!
And fans still fight on comment sections and forums. All of them worked hard. All of them trained for years. Sacrificing education, family time, health just to debut. Theres absolutely no need to compare or gloat to other people. You can be proud of them sure but dont belittle other artists.
I remember seeing this episode when it first popped into CZcams, I kind of teared up a bit (sorry, kind of an emotional person) knowing that he has been going through all this stuff. Someone mentioned it before but I did think for a bit that maybe he didn’t have the best relationship with the members (most foreign members, as far as I know, feel a culture shock and maybe he wasn’t used to it yet) but that never escalated from that. I always knew they loved Peniel. I remember Changsub mentioning that they dropped the plan of enlisting together because Peniel isn’t going to enlist so they decided to not enlist together so that some of the members could stay with him. Ugh I’m an emotional wreck
jef marquez im tearing reading ur comment..i never heard about that,.changsub such a good hyung to peniel 😭😭😭..thanks for mentioning it here..sorry but,im not meant for comparing them with other group..but for me,btob has the most amazing n great relationship between the members..i really can feel the sincerity of love between them..n i really hope that they will stay together forever bcoz btob the only 1 group that energized me whenever im feel lonely,depressed and stressed...its hard to explain how much i love them more than the others😭😭😭😭
Peniel’s love language is affirmation. With this love language the person feels love when he/she receives affirmation from people around him, he needs it like water to survive. For other people with different love language it has no meaning but to a person with this love language it means the world.
We must protect peniel and btob, they're too precious :(
im not btob fans but seeing Peniel got bald and such seriously made me cry...
The proud smile the other members had while they were dancing just warmed my heart so much. They really are a family ❤
솔까 잘 생겨서 대머리던 탈모던 뭐든 뭐 진짜 머리카락 한 개로 해놔도 잘 어울림
I know Peniel only from ASC and it was quite obvious that he did not fit into the cultural mould well (he was adorable though). I thought he shaved his head for the heck of it. I didn't know his situation was so bad. I'm glad he has opened up about it. The idol industry has never looked glamorous to me. It makes me question what kind of friends these guys have if they're so inconsiderate because it's obvious that they take no interest in their lives.
that last message by minhyuk tho.,. TT
Actually felt like I was going to cry when Minhyuk hugged Peniel and rubbed his head after they finished dancing, like he was telling him he was proud of him and to keep his head up. What a good relationship the members have with eachother 💖
Hyunsik's body language at Peniel got me Emotional, he might doesn't say anything but he cares a lot. And thank to MinHyuk who always got a Chance for Peniel to speak up at their few interviews. And Eunkwang's warm heart just on another level.
Right from the start I fall into their Talent, BTOB has many good singers in the group, then after knowing them I fall into their Great Personalities.
That was so deep. I cried. Peniel is adorable. Minhyuk made me cry a lot when he revealed that idol life is hard. I mean all fans know it to an extent but we sort of ignore it for our own enjoyment but when its put right in front of us we cant ignore it and its really heartbreaking
HE IS SO PRECIOUS AND BRAVE FOR DOING THIS I CAN'T BELIEVE HE IS THE CUTEST CINNAMON ROLL EVER
i agree ^^
I may not be a BTOB fan, but I honestly think that they are one of the only groups that genuinely care for each other. They take it to HC, and it breaks my heart seeing people treat a bald Peniel terribly.
Even if all BTOB members were bald and old, We Melodies will support them 1000% more and this is the fact.
Yejiapsa!
Yeahhhhhhh yejiapsa
Even with a tight schedule he's worried that he's not doing enough to promote the group... some people simply deserve all the love and fame.
Peniel and the BTOB members spoke out so well...BTOB is one of my favourite team in kpop .. I've been watching them since their debut day Back then in 2012.. I hope they will continue being success!! Melodys always there for you guys!!
서은광 화이팅!!
이민혁 화이팅!!
임현식 화이팅!!
이창섭 화이팅!!
프니엘 화이팅!!
정일훈 화이팅!!
육성재 화이팅!!
비투비 화이팅!!
BTOB FIGHTING!!💪💪
When Peniel said: "What could I do to make us known?"
Me: *CRIES*
Wow, it's really hard to see this. But It's the reality when you're an idol. It's the reality that idols have to face. That's why us, people have to be careful when they talk about idols and say rumours about ships. Let them be happy, they deserve happiness and live a normal live too.
i'm not a melody (yet lmao) but peniel is so admirable. he's so brave and inspirational. i legit started tearing up idk even know why.
and the way eungkwang slid down the slide is so eungkwan like i'm crying
peniel is so precious, im so glad that he stated his concerns. hair or not , he's still very talented. i hope btob does well in the future ^^
I'm ARMY..but BTOB is so underrated. Out of my 24 years as a KPOP fan... I've only seen 2 groups whom I thought could actually sing. TVXQ and BTOB. These btob kids can sing and it's too bad that cube isn't doing shit for them. They are also the nicest kids around. I remember seeing somewhere the members said that they didn't make any money as btob but Sunjae was kind enough to share his earnings from his dramas with them. That's 7 members.... And if you split anything 7 ways... you can imagine ... I am so proud of Peniel and BtoB....and I wish them all the luck in the world.
I am sorry but how old are You? No judgement but 24 yrs into kpop. And you are a ARMY but thinks only tvxq and btob can actually sing. I am a fan of btob and tvxq but if you have been in kpop for 24 yrs shouldn't bts be the one that left a unbelievably good impression on you to call yourself a ARMY out of all the group the existed in the past 20 yrs. I am sorry if I sound rude mate I am just really curious
I don't think Kpop existed 24 years ago...? I thought it started around the late 1990's
she means out of her life being a 24 years old as a kpop fans I think
N Y no i think it’s clear that she meant she has been a kpop fan for 24yrs which is kind of like really impossible for her to think that only 2 groups can actually sing.
Kpop didn’t even exist back then
Im a new melody....and i just found it. I really want to say thankyou very much for not leaving us in your hard situation, Peniel oppa. You're such a really pure and brave men ever. Im thankful that i fell for BTOB. All of the members are such kind hearted angles💙💙💙💙💙💙💙
Wow! BTOB, you are a very open group. Theyvtalk about issues that other groups would not dare go to at all, money, schedule, relationships etc.. #Respect
peniels right the cultural/restrictions are ridiculous.Hes a grown man so what if he wants to talk to another woman,friends or not,HE CAN.His story still makes me so upset tho no one should go through that 😕 I praise him for the way he's handled it and I hope he continues to love his handsome self!💕
I dont even know who any of these people are,but thats the sweetest thing Ive ever heard💕 I wish that Peniel guy the best of luck!
Lili Menezes u should check them out. they are so good in singing. :)
Lili Menezes they're pretty popular in korea. their fandom name is Melody and their vocals are 👌 check okay Way Back Home and Its Okay
theyre BTOB King of Ballads
“Give it to me instead, I’m a huge fan of peniels”
Lady I don’t think your the only one who’s a fan of peniels look at eunwoo he also wanted his hat😂 also when him and him members danced they looked like proud parents watching there first child take there first steps🥺
*Eunkwangs' laugh gives my life. He's so precious.*
*BTOB is precious in general, but Eunkwangs' laugh makes me melt idk why*
*I also gotta comment about Baby Cha Eunwoo looking as gorgeous as ever*
I dont know why Im crying watching this. The hardest part is when they started talked bout earning payment. I dont they suffered a lot yet Im not their fans. Yaaa Im feeling them 😭. Fingers crossed BTOB. May ur new comeback song will become a huge hit all over the world. Hwaiting ✊.
It took many years before people stared giving BTOB recognition. It was really hard for them but they remain loyal and worked hard.
blad or not he is handsome. I may not be part of melody but I always like b2b song.
fun fact: I click yhe video Cos he look cute on the video picture
Btob has always look funny and crazy on shows, but when it comes to their member they really take it seriously.
I didn’t know btob when I watched this program, I was just curios because all idols seems to be so perfect and watching paniel being so brave and open about his issues and the members being so supportive and funny about it made me curios about the group and after some researches I can now call myself a melody. This guys are so genuine, there aren’t many kpop groups like btob and they also have some of the best vocals in the industry .. basically stan talent stan btob 💙
Thank you for taking your time to check on them. We are so happy to welcome you to family.
Irish Paciencia thank you so much ! 🙏🏻💙
Hello Melosibling
This is heartbreaking. I hope peniel gets better soon and the scheduele becomes a little less stressful.
I DIDNT KNOW HE SHAVED IT OFF BECAUSE OF HAIR LOSS. I THOUGHT IT WAS FOR THEIR COMEBACK CONCEPT. WHEN I WATCH THIS, I THEN REALIZED ITS A HAIR LOSS. PENIEL STAY STRONG. IM GLAD YOU BROUGHT IT OUT. PLEASE CONTINUE TO STAY STRONG. I HOPE BTOB CONTINUE STRONG! PENIEL FIGHTING! BTOB FIGHTING!
I literally Cried. May be these Boys Are Funny, Crazy, Cool but They are also Human. People should Know That They are Precious souls. For People who Ignoring them and Their Talent Is OK but Hating them Just Bcz They were Not Fitting in your taste called visual stereotype is ridiculous. I am Bringing that Thing is Bcz These Boys Faced Many Hate Just Bcz Of their Visual Specially Eunkwang. And Then Changsub and Then Peneil(I am Talking about past Events) People Should know Beauty and Visual is Not everything, You should have Talent To be an Idol Who can Deliver Awesome Songs With great Techniques Which can Hit Your Heart . I am So Happy BTOB Broke all Kind of Idol Stereotypes, in Term to Performance ,In term of Personality And In term of Appearance.BTOB Legend in everything they do. 😍😍
Look👏at👏him👏now👏 coming back with btob 4u and the feedback is really greet! Lots of people are listening to their cb because peniel is hosting get real. People loveee him as a person and I think that’s contribute a lot for him and his group. Including me who check out btob bcause of Peniel. So proud of him!
NGL this is the most I've seen peniel smile laugh and converse with the members since BtoB diary XD it's great