Therapist Reacts to BEAUTY & THE BEAST (Animated)
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- čas přidán 27. 09. 2021
- Tale as old as time... girl becomes prisoner of terrifying beast, makes friends with his dishes and furniture, wears fancy ball gowns, falls in love...
But is it Stockholm syndrome? Licensed therapist Jonathan Decker and filmmaker Alan Seawright talk about what Stockholm syndrome is (and isn't) and whether Beauty and the Beast is an example of it. They also talk about Gaston's narcissism, Beast's redemption arc, and Belle's compassion. They also talk about the difference between love and possession, and the beautiful animation, art, music, and storytelling in this film.
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Written by: Megan Seawright, Jonathan Decker and Alan Seawright
Produced by: Jonathan Decker, Megan Seawright & Alan Seawright
Edited by: Luke Mclean
Director of Photography: Bradley Olsen
English Transcription by: Anna Preis - Krátké a kreslené filmy
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You technically cannot buy love with a library, but you can show your love and appreciation to someone by giving them a deeply personal and meaningful gift. And a library to a bookworm is kind of an ultimate life goal (source: me, a bookworm)
😱 Yes! Hello fellow bookworm 📚
If anyone would appreciate my hobby just half as much as the beast belles love for books, I would die instantly of unconditional love! I swear (greetings a bookworm myself)
As a fellow bookworm, this was my dream as a child. And also one of the reasons I could never get into e-readers. I am working on building my own personal library & being able to lend out/share books with people makes me very happy.
Yes, and the fact that he is so, so happy by her reaction. He's giving her something he knows she'll like, and she gets to experience his joy at doing a nice thing. So she sees him start to care about her and respect her, which shows her how much he's growing.
Make sure it is cool in summer and warm in winter. (Had one that I never used because it was too hot/cold.)
I do like how the witch turned them into how they saw each other. Like his servants saw the prince as a beast and the prince saw his servant as objects to serve him.
Great observation!
Bruh. I didn't even think about this.
Nice
DANG
Touche'
And Belle didn’t directly “teach him how to love”. She is not going out of her way to “fix” him. She just held him accountable for his bad behavior and HE changed himself. She called him out, it changed his perspective, and he improved himself. Then and only then is when she started warming up to him.
Thank you for pointing out that the nuance to this story.
There is a pride and prejudice feel to it for me in that way. They call each other out, consider the other person's perspective and work on themselves accordingly.
@@juliaschurmann358
I was surprised that I am surprised knowing this lol, I have always loved B&TB as a child and I was a Jane Austen fan because of P&P but it never occurred to me that way😂 thx for pointing that out!
@@juliaschurmann358 Belle also reminded me of Elizabeth Bennett. At the start of the book Lizzie doesn't state her ideal man, but the readers know she isn't interested in pompous cousin Mr. Collins or rude first-impressions Darcy. Belle starts the film avoiding Gaston, because she instinctively knows he isn't right for her because he doesn't respect her (or her father). Lizzie gradually sees Darcy through different eyes, as Belle learned to find the man within the Beast.
No and he gave her that freedom to choose what she wants he felt bad sending her father out so he gave her the mirror to help her find him
I love the subtitles referring Gaston as “No-Belle prize winner” 🤣
I laughed more than I should've because I've studied this story for a long time and this story is very nostalgic.
Brilliant!!! 😂😂
"No Belle? 🥺 "
“No-Belle Prize Winner” made me cackle so loud that I actually spooked my cat 😂😂😂
Love the play on words.
Belle is forgiving to the sheep that ate part of the page of her book and is irritated by Gaston throwing her book into a mud puddle because she understands sheep eat anything, adults generally understand the concept of respecting people's properties.
That's a very good point! Besides, the sheep didn't bite into any words on the page, but Gaston's mud got all over everything.
@@jennifermathew1285 wow, you are strong, but I do hope you find a solution to this and not allow yourself to always get hurt like that :( is there a way to teach him not to do it? Maybe as he gets older? Or maybe give him space when he gets angry?
Lol yep
I still agree that her reaction was muted though. I definitely don't love books nearly as much as Belle, but I'd be so down if a book I bought got ripped. I'm in perpetual annoyance after a book I have got a stain on it, I couldn't even imagine what it's like to Belle who has so few books. And if some asshole threw my book in mud YOU BEST BET HE WOULDN'T JUST GET A NASTY LOOK. I'm straight punching him and never talking to him again.
@@plipplop1769 Honestly I kind of feel it is a little worse since it was likely another library book and not actually her property based off her response about repeatedly picking up the same book while returning others so anyone else who checks that book out will also see the torn pages. Also goes to show Gaston wasn't paying attention to the book as he flipped through the pages claiming no pictures were in it despite us just having witnessed the sheep bite a page with a photo on it but who knows if the other side of that page had anything important to the book's story that is now missing.
“Unlike Gaston who is a jerk because he loves himself too much, Beast is awful because he hates himself,” Damn, this statement hit me like a truck and I’m not even a minute in
Right? What do I do?. Just be like ".. eh. I'm alright"
He's SUCH a sad individual. When he faces off against Gaston (when he thinks Belle is gone for good), the sadness in his eyes is heartbreaking.
The moment where Gaston goes "Did you honestly think she would want you when she has SoMeOnE LiKe Me?!" And you know that punches Beast right in the inferiority complex even though we'd all prefer a gentlemanly if furry beast man to bloody Gaston the narcissist.
But wasn't that already obvious?!...
I got brainwashed into hating myself over my lifetime. My father, my X, my sister, then there are the legitimate failures and just being human backing all that up.. now I have a wife who loves my more than I ever thought possible and I am healing and believing that I am actually lovable. I'm still struggling with the Gospel of Jesus Christ and even my own acceptance, but I know the truth, and eventually the Truth will set me free. ❤️
Gaston's behaviour when he enters her house is just absolutely dangerous. A man forcing himself in her house, following his prey around, trying to touch her and pin her down...that's just every woman's biggest nightmare. To me, this is the reason why she wants to flee the village at that moment. She never felt like she was in place there, but now she feels that she escaped a near rape, she has lost all feeling for safety. Nobody will defend her if Gaston does it, he is the hero of the village. Nobody will believe her. And Gaston will not doubt of telling her that. He's the Weinstein of the village. God knows how many victims there are.
So when he has left, she stays inside and barrickades the door. A loooong time afterhe has left, she is brave enough to peek through the door. The emotions; humiliation, shame, anger, fear, unbelief...it is all clear as she talks to herself when going out. Then she takes a run to leave the village, but one thing keeps her from actually running away: her father. She would never want to leave her father behind. So she cannot force herself to run away, even choosing her father over her own safety, but at the same time reluctant to return to the house in which she doesn't feel safe anymore.
As a woman I always felt sick to my stomach seeing this scene.
Belle always knew how bad he was though and was smart enough to not give into him.
In fact, in the musical adaptation, Gaston himself even says that even after he plans to marry Belle, he's still going to be with the three busty triplets who fawn all over him from the very beginning (and no doubt, as the resident prostitutes of the village, probably carry all manner of sexually transmitted diseases), which would leave Belle stuck taking care of however many sons she unwillingly sires for Gaston before Gaston dies, leaving Belle to mourn for her lost dreams & stolen youth.
Same. I'm surprised they didn't actually analyze it from that perspective, but I guess he doesn't have knowledge of sexual assault to give a proper analysis
@@TherealRNOwwfpooh And I'm not the least surprised to read that.
"Nobody will believe her" Knowing these people, I think they'd outright call her crazy for not wanting to have sex with him ....
The library scene is AMAZING bc it's the first time someone acknowledges Belle's loves for books in a positive way. Beast isn't trying to buy her love, he's just giving this to her because he knows how much it means to her and because he wants her to feel happy.
And adding to this, how absolutely giddy he is to show her this and make her happy. The dude is on cloud 9 just by showing her the library. The facial animation on him, also considering they have to figure out how to make a beast face look THAT excited, is so impressive to me.
But no t only that , later in the movie (well in the added scene of "human again " ) Belle is reading Romeo and Juliet and Beast is next to her listening to her completely hipnotized😊. He loves her so much that not only he gives his library to her , but he also SHARES hee passion with her .
It's my biggest aspiration in life to own a library like that.
Belle: "Dad, do you think I'm weird?"
Dad: "No, darling, why would you think that?"
Belle: "Well, the entire village just sang a song about it"
Dad: "Oh yeah. I saw them rehearsing it, earlier today"
Now that's a WEIRD ass village.
But she sang too.
@@junjunjamore7735 Well yes. They wrote a song just for her. The least she could do was show up for rehearsal every week on Tuesday. Next week they will start on the song for that happy guy with the pig.
That basically defines what it's like to live in a small town. I remember, the town I grew up in, Stevenson, Washington that only had 1,500 people.
Lol!! Thanks for the laugh 😂
*“At first I was creeped out by the talking, singing monster-house, but then the dancing BEERS showed up!”* This is the BEST fictitious Yelp review to ever exist! 😂
Holy cow, I just realized Disney’s “Beauty and the Beast” is somewhat similar to Jane Austen's “Pride and Prejudice”!
It had me in stitches!!!
I can't breathe 😂
I need more fictional Yelp reviews like that in my life.
100%.
Can we talk about how 8:22 is straight out of an abusive relationship? No greeting, only talks about what he wants her to do, no respect for her possessions/house and the most important, no respect for her consent or boundaries. Like the walk up where he throws over a chair and pins her to the wall to kiss her is exactly how abusive relationships are portrayed. It’s played as a joke but that actually happens and it’s terrifying
He basically says he’s going to rape her. She will give him children, sons specifically, and she has no say in the matter. Gaston belongs on a list and I can’t believe I’m saying this, but his fixation on Belle may have saved other women in the village from this. Gaston is more beastly than an actual beast.
@@jbcatz5 He is also a disturbing depiction of a "nice guy": Gaston believes that Belle owes him sex just for paying attention to her and the moment she rejects him, he restorts to violence.
Go to the Manosphere and you'll see Gastons 😂
and what’s crazy is that i’ve never seen this movie so from your description i thought the beast did this, but it was actually gaston. the way this movie subverts preconceived notions is fantastic
@@jorgebersabe293
Wtf you talking about??
Belle is hands down the most positive Disney princess for a child to look up to. She is educated, doesn't care what people think even when it is positive like when they talk of her beauty. She rejects a handsome ass hole. She loves her father, defends him, and overtime falls for someone who isn't attractive when she gets to know him and bond with him.
Gotta say though... Always thought the beast was more attractive before he was human 🤣and I'm not even a furry. Hahaha
Would you say she’s more positive than Tiana
@@freetobree5323 hmm... Yes. And I feel like she is more kind hearted. The only reason she was in her position was to save her father. A truly selfless act. Tiana is doing it for a reward to buy her restaurant and then to save herself from being a frog... not to save someone. She is very brave though
YESSS !! I was like, what's wrong with me for liking him more as a Beast 😈. Maybe I am a furry and didn't know it 😂
@@sarahcaitlyn88 They both follow the shared falling in love with someone over time when in a position of captivity which I think is neat. They just have different reasons as to why they ended up in the situation.
but beast after his transformation was 😍
I think the fact that Gaston is a prolific hunter and collector of “trophies” speaks to his character as well as his intentions towards Belle. We are introduced to him hunting, and when declares his interest in Bell he says “I’ve got my sights set on that one” while pointing his gun at her. Not very subtle. She’s the most beautiful girl in town, and so he needs to capture her, hunt her, trap her, etc. just like the animals he hunts, he doesn’t care about her for what she is, only for what she will do for the image he has cultivated for himself. The fact that she is uninterested in him doesn’t matter, and in fact I’d say that probably only makes him more interested because of the “challenge” she presents.
EXACTLY!!!!
yes, exactly
The more she resists, the more into it he gets. He loves to hunt, even after people.
Exactly. Since he thinks so highly of himself, he believes he deserves the best. To him the most beautiful girl in the village is the best, so he must own that, and I say "that" because to him Belle is not a person, she's a thing he must own.
yep, an expert _"womanizer"_ like him needs to catch every trophy wife in town.
Belle = everything Bella is not in Twilight. Beast orders him to come to dinner and she basically says she'd rather starve. I love the shot after the wolves where she's treating his wounds because he's litterally this massive, horrifying creature roar-screaming at her and she just sits, back straight, hair flying in his rage till he's done. I'd be terrified, but she just shoots back "serves you right." She has so much compassion, but she has such a healthy amount of self respect.
Literally I strive to have the same amount of self confidence and bravery as her😭
ya yo Belle was always a hero to me. first thing i saw her do was defend herself from the town loud mouth. i didn't understand that at the time but that was very important for me (and many other kids) to actually see. then she goes looking for her dad after he gets lost in the woods and pretty much frees her dad from a cage. then she becomes super buddies with the FURNITURE. they see her humanity and they sing to her and feed her. then she nurses the giant furry like you said. then the town loud mouth comes back and he goes for the giant furry... and WHO ENDS UP SAVING THE WHOLE CASTLE? (sorry for the spoilers)
What a stupid thing to talk about Bella here. You are not the sharpest tool in the box.🤦
@@sexysadie2901 what? Why?
I loved these parts!
What particularly disturbs me about the "Beauty and the Beast is StOcKhOlM sYnDrOmE" crowd is they NEVER, NEVER, NEVER make a single objection about Gaston's behavior. They waste all their breath calling the relationship between Beast and Belle as toxic, but turn a completely blind eye to how Gaston acts around Belle. I think it reveals more about them than it does the movie itself.
That’s because they’re so freaking many like Gaston so they think it’s a phase or something normal. “Boys will be boys” kind of thing
Maybe they just think it should go without saying…
No one actually believes Gaston’s behavior is ok. The only time I heard a defense of Gaston was from CZcamsr John Doyle and that was tongue in cheek.
If I had to guess, I'd probably say that this is, because Gastons behaviour is never portrayed as something good in the movie.
It's fun to poke at things the movie portays as good or romantic and turn them around. It gives space to debate.
Stating Gastons behaviour as bad wouldn't be a turn or an "interesting new take". It would just be stating the obvious...
At least, that's what I think might be the reason for these people not pointing that out.😅
Because Gaston's behavior isn't propped up like the relationship between the beast and belle is, that's not difficult to comprehend
Umm, that’s because Gaston is the VILLAIN and it’s universally accepted that his behaviour is awful. The movie portrays him as awful, there’s never a shadow of doubt so of course they don’t mention his behaviour. It doesn’t need to be said
Now that I'm older I can see that this film is actually pretty dark in certain areas. The main thing being that spell the Beast is under is not just physical but psychological as well. Its spell is slowing stripping away at his humanity and the longer he remains a beast the more beast-like he becomes. When he's first introduced, he walks on all fours like an animal, is more angry and territorial and wears only pants and a cloak for clothes but over the course of the movie he begins to regain his humanity thanks to the time he spends with Belle.
The directors confirmed in an interview/commentary that if the Beast had never met Belle and the spell never broken then he would've stopped wearing clothes all together, would forget how to talk and would've run off to live in the woods like a wild animal. It's a pretty disturbing notion that the spell is turning him into a beast both on the outside and the inside.
And all of his servants would have become household objects for real.
"You cannot buy love with a library" DONT LISTEN TO HIM, GIVE US A LIBRARY
So guys, you heard it here. Bring your Kindle to your next date.
seriously you mean i didn't have to be single in high school, i just had to buy a girl i liked a library dam it and here i used my allowance to buy lunch when i could of bought a library to get a girl to like me LOL
Period sister. Library= marriage
As a bookworm girl with brown hair, Belle was my favourite princess.
I would say yes imedieatlely... (How do I write that word, I'm German :D)
When he has a library, he wanted it in the first place. Which means he likes to read and is probably a smarty, well read, lot's of imagination, big dreams, healthy mind. All good tropes in character.
Then he actually has the money to do so! For someone like me a dream coming true.
When he has the money to buy an entire library, he is stable in life.
So yeah... Day 1 to ??? I will tackle the fantasy section.
It wasn't so much the 'act of giving a library' that was special to Belle. It was because in spite of everyone making her feel like a freak for loving books so much it showed he was actively supporting her reading, making her feel truly heard and seen. Also because he knew she loved to read and had to give up books for the rest of her life to live with him and this broke his heart. making her 10x more valued than Gaston
He saw something she loves and gave her something based on that. He took the time to care and my god, my heart
I want to add that I don't think that gifting her with the library was a means of "I want this girl to fall in love with me, what does she like?" Instead, he says it's because he wants to do something NICE for her. Yeah, he is saying it because he's feeling something he's never felt before, but to me it always came off as wanting to show appreciation for Belle rather than I BRING YOU PRESENT PLS LOVE ME
So yeah, it is effectively because he wants her to be happy. He starts doing a lot of things to try and make the castle and life there more comfortable for her too, putting in the effort simply because she's important to him. And that effort is there, Belle sees it, acknowledges it, and is receptive to it. That being receptive is what allows real love to start happening.
Also, I love that they actually do sit down and read together. A shared love of literature is a thing they have in common and it's super cute that they spend that time just enjoying a good book by the fire.
Gifts are one of the 5 love languages. Maybe it's not a good reason for Belle to fall in love with him, but it's a valid way for him to express his feelings. (Even if it's possibly a bit over-the-top.)
I think it's similar to when someone gives a gift that's very specific to your interests, while yes it's something material technically it does show that they know and understand you, they pay attention and listen to you and care about what you are passionate about and they took the time to think about a gift or gesture catered specifically to you. Sometimes the implicit aspects of a gift speaks volumes about how they see you and care about you that can mean a lot more than the gift itself.
Also, in a deleted scene that makes it into the extra song "Human Again" in the extended animated version and has it's own segment in the Broadway play, Beast has a huge character building moment. Before we see him always forcing his will on others but for the first time he lowers his guard by admitting he'd never truly learned/ lost the ability to read after he gifts Belle the library to make her happy. Belle offers to teach him and soon they bond over their love of books. In the Broadway play Belle even falls asleep while Beast was reading to her but he's so invested in the story that it's not until he has a question that he realizes she'd been asleep propped against his shoulder. Instead of waking her to answer his question he gently moves her into a more comfortable position before returning to reading the book. It may seem small and insignificant but it really shows the huge breakthrough for both of them in the story.
"It's yours -- because I don't know how to read."
This is why I love the film with the cut scenes added in. We get to see Belle teaching Beast to read. One of the sweetest scenes in the movie failed to make it into the theatrical release.
I wish they kept it in. It would've been another way Beast and Gaston were different. While they're both illiterate, Beast is interested and wants to learn more while Gaston doesn't see it as worthwhile.
He doesn't mind hearing it over and over again.
It’s a nice touch, but a „prince” in 18th or something Century not being able to read is just absurd
@@muchanadziko6378 True but monks would’ve prioritized this over nobility or royalty.
@@muchanadziko6378 thats because he is 11
One thing I always loved about the scene where Belle and Beast are arguing after the wolf attack is the way she responds to beast by comparison to the servants. The servants are afraid when he yells and run to hide, she doesn't even flinch and instead goes harder into his face. That shows even more her bravery and strong will.
Something I noticed when Gaston just invited himself into Belle’s house is that she was constantly trying to put distance between herself and him, and he was constantly trying to close the distance and corner her. She was putting furniture between them- chairs, desks- and ducking under his arm when he tried to corner her. Like, talk about a red flag- dude can’t take a hint, for one thing, and it’s a nonverbal way of establishing that Gaston will never care about her boundaries or comfort, imo.
I wouldn't have opened the door. I always thought it was weird that _she_ did.
And in the Dance scene , Belle put herself close to the Beast and he was surprised ...why ?, because she felt comfortable with him , knowing he wasn't going to hurt her or take advantage of her, unlike Gaston. The Beast respects her, so she then takes the initiative
Yup, and then when she put herself against a wall I just had that 'oh no, don't do that, you can't run from there' stressed feeling but then she opened the door and I was so relieved and happy.
Ya lol
@@ingridsuperfreak And then the Beast's confusion followed immediately by utter glee just rounds out the contrasting scenes.
A lot of people gloss over the tiny scene that happens before the library scene. The one where he's with the staff thinking about what he could do/gift her that would make her happy. He's brainstorming about it, but he says he just wants to do something nice for her. He's not out to SUPER impress her, unlike Gaston or anything of the like. He just wants to do something nice and he settles on giving her this library because she adores books.
During the library scene, he gets excited at HER reaction, you can even see his 'I did it!" face for a second. He's happy because SHE'S happy, and its basically here that both of them start to see the beast as human. It's this scene where he basically decides he's going to live as his best self.
YES! the way he phrases it is vital "i've never felt this way about anyone. i want to do something for her". Not, I want to get her to like me or I want to win her over- he just wants to make her feel as happy as she makes him. he's not even thinking about the curse at this point. he's just thinking about her.
Well said!!!
Yes! Thank you so much for saying this! I hate how modern cynical interpretations make this movie out to be something it's not.
True the Beast's gift was for Belle to be happy not impressed by his possessions
Thank you for restoring my faith in this romance. I loved this movie as a kid, so it made me sad when I learned about Stockholm syndrome and made the connection with the story. Now I can love it again without feeling guilty! 😭
You can feel even better because there's no such thing as Stockholm Syndrome. It's a totally fictional pop culture invention. There's never been a single confirmed case after the bank incident iirc, and the very idea of it has been thoroughly debunked for a very long time.
Same
same feeling!
And that's why it's important to listen to your own heart, not some stranger on the internet or even reviews.
The Beast was like a child in a candy store when Belle was reading King Arthur.
Well, what most don’t know is that this story is originally a French fairy tale based on an real love story.
Katharina de Medici forced one of her court ladies to marry a wolf-man that they considered to be a beast.
But he was actually a good hearted man and on the wedding night he didn’t force her to anything but was rather shy. So with the time they both fell in love and then had 4 kids together.
So, in fact, the original story turned out to be a big love story.
As a girl from the same city of Caterina de Medici (I think it's the same person you wrote about?), I'm absolutely going to investigate this story
@@theanicolesallustio4377 Si! Vai a lo investigare!
A wolf-man?
How can you be a wolf-man?
@@Furienna oh, That’s when you grow hair on your whole body, also the face etc.
It’s called like this. It’s something genetical. But it’s not a chimera of human and wolf.
@@BarbaraMarieLouise Ah, that is what I thought as well.
But I wanted to make sure.
"Belle could be burned with acid or something and be deformed and she would still be beautiful -- a lovely person." My face being deformed on one side, that hit really close to home, even more so because I didn't expect to hear something like this. Thank you
"A person who has good thoughts cannot ever be ugly. You can have a wonky nose and a crooked mouth and a double chin and stick-out teeth, but if you have good thoughts they will shine out of your face like sunbeams and you will always look lovely." - Roald Dahl, The Twits
I like Johnathan wife's quote. 'Beauty has little to do with how you look'
Me too ❤️
Well, she's loving & kind, selfless, smart, curious, brave, honest, faithful and funny.
That's pretty much a sweep. She also happens to be THE "beauty" (as per the title)?!?!
Rude. Greedy.
🤷🏼♂️😜👍
@@chriskelly3481 exactly. Belle in that movie could be the most outwardly hideous person you'd ever see but, I'd be fascinated with who she is. She's a "belle" regardless of whatever exterior standards are out there.
The other thing about the wolf fight is that afterward, *Belle almost leaves.* She isn't just immediately like "Oh he saved me, I should take care of him now." She almost gets on the horse to leave him in the snow. She's still upset about the confrontation in the West Wing, but she CHOOSES to go back and help him anyway. It doesn't feel like Beast "bought" her sympathy or that she only did it because she owed him. He put himself at risk for her, and she decides that despite everything, that means he's deserving of compassion.
@vulcanhumor Yeah. Totally. It's clear in her facial expression: "I could -- no. No. I'm better than that. Papa raised me better than that. I have to help him." (10/13/2021)
Yep, the reason she makes that choice is definitely more of her remembering her personal sense of morality than her being cowed or coerced into it somehow.
Isn't it manipulation 101 to appeal to the victim's compassion and conscience
@@glorialiedtke8931 but at some point don't people have to decide as well when to use their own kindness and compassion? Like I get what you mean but at some point we need to exercise these things of our own free will as well.
@@glorialiedtke8931 Adam didn't manipulate her AT ALL. He LITERALLY CHANGED HIS ATTITUDE AND RESPECTS BELLE. STOP VILLAINIZING HIM WITH BULLSHIT.
As you guys were talking about Belle being kind of distanced from the town, the realisation hit me like a brick - all the townpeople are dressed in warm tones, the coolest tones being green tones and creams. Belle is quite literally divorced from them with her stark white blouse and skirt as well as her prominently blue apron. She is visually othered, her gestures + body language others her and the fact that even though everyone talks about her, she barely says a word to anyone. In every possible way, she was set apart from them
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Plus, Gaston wears red, as does the Beast earlier on. But as Belle falls for the Beast, he starts to wear purple (his cape) and blue (his formal dress suit for the titular song).
@@TherealRNOwwfpooh Wow, true! I never noticed that!
I just have to comment, the voice actor/singer for Gaston has an astounding baritone timbre and as in traditional opera casting, the bass baritone is often the "villain".
The Voice actor of Gaston is Richard White.also a boardway star.who had been playing Phantom.
Beauty and the beast and tye little mermaid had persuade by Howard Ashman to use a boardway actor to do the Speaking and Singing voice.Not just cast the voice because of their frame.
My mother went to school with him.
- Gaston: "There are no pictures"
- Belle: "It has. A sheep has just eaten it"
I always thought the same thing at that part. lol
The sheep eating a page scene is a total suspension of disbelief killer for me. I get upset over a slight dog-eared page or a wrinkle. lol
LMAO 🤣🤣🤣
Omg 😂❤
I think he was looking for a centerfold....
I think Gaston wants belle for his wife because she's the one thing he can't have. That drives narcissists insane.
Being saying that for years:)
And in general that is something many masculine energy filled people adore
@@msk-qp6fn I am recovering from narcissist and psychopathic abuse. I knew I was in recovery when I watched Lucifer and all my friends were talking about how dreamy he was. I said " he's a narcissistic ass!" They said well, yeah? Girls are conditioned to fall for these guys.
Stupid phone. I hate my spell check
@@msk-qp6fn huh?
I love that Alan's parents didn't make him feel bad about crying at Beauty and the Beast. No one should have to feel bad about crying when they're moved by something regardless of gender, and his parents allowing him to express those feelings without guilt is so wonderful and unfortunately not always the case for boys as they're growing up.
I’m surprised that you don’t think Belle is starting to catch feelings in the snowball scene. She also wants to dance with the Beast. She may not be in love with him yet, but she’s got to have some kind of butterflies, otherwise it wouldn’t surprise her so much (new and a bit alarming) and make her feel shy and hide behind the tree to try to sort out her feelings. Maybe I relate because I’m a girl.
I agree: there are definite allusions to her starting to catch feelings for him during the snowball fight scene.
Another agree. Just listen to the lyrics of the song: "There may be something there that wasn't there before." This CAN be taken to mean compassion and affection, but I think (especially considering the time period) it was very much intended to obliquely refer to romantic interest - and bringing up the concept of "Prince Charming" (even if it's only to say he's NOT) is another suggestion in that direction.
That could mean affection and not love tho, since they always say affection and love is dinner
I've always loved how Belle's just thoroughly unimpressed with Beast's shouting and complaining when she's tending Beast's wound.
Which is also true of any woman in that situation lol
It allways cracks me up tbh
THIS. And this is why anyone alleging "Stockholm Syndrome" utterly fails to convince me. She was completing *a vow for her father* in *medieval-ish times* . Basically filial piety.
@@McCammalot yeah everyone seems forget that despite his appearance he us still just a young man and not been around anyone new in AGES. So after years doing whatever he wants her yelling probs a big shock 😂 it like when kid comes home from college an wanna act like forgot house rules.
So funny watch tbh cause he really had no idea how handle being told "no" and someone not rushing do as he says.
Thankfully unlike Gaston [who would take that an mean he must get his way by force] Beast uses his head an finds another way an takes a different an kinder approach.
@@sarhahillsburg5142 it's almost a parallel, isn't it? Gaston and Beast are both spoiled, but the Beast grows beyond it (possibly because of lack of human contact and, at the end of the day, not taking it for granted? Whereas Gaston expected to be worshipped.)
My theory has a bit of a problem, though, as I don't like to think of the enchanted staff as "not human" contact. I'll have to work on that 😁
I've never felt that Belle ever had Stockholm Syndrome. Emma Watson even agrees with this stance, pointing out that Belle kept her independence the whole time, and argued with the Beast, until he showed a softer side. He even freely allowed her to leave when she saw that Maurice was in trouble.
Lindsay Ellis did a whole thing on how lazy this interpretation was and how it came about through Buzzfeeding. It never made sense and as put by Jonathan and Lindsay. She breaks most of his stipulations immediately.
@@Firegen1 Lindsay Ellis did a good breakdown of Beauty and the Beast
Yeah, the captor fell in love with the captee. That’s the reverse of Stockholm syndrome
I always thought that the original story from the 1700s was about arranged marriage and an attempt to convince girls that even though it might seem bad it could end up well for them and that they could find love in it.
@@catd5307 aka Lima Syndrome
"He's kind and gentle, he's my friend" 🥰. Thank you for simply, logically explaining what a beautiful movie / relationship this is!
I'm so glad someone finally defended this movie. It was my favourite Disney princess when I was a kid and I still love it today. I never felt that it was Stockholm syndrome. I actually think people seeing evil in everything is getting old. It's just annoying and you can't expect something made 20+ years ago to hold to current societal standards.
I thought the point being made is that it *does* hold up to standards? If it didn’t that _wouldn’t_ be good?
@@wildfire9280 Beauty And The Beast always has lived up to standards and always will. It's a timeless beauty, like Titanic.
“Political correctness” was around 20 years ago though.
People think cynicism is clever. It’s destructive.
@@brittybee6615 which is why I did not support “Teen Titans Go to the Movies”, “Space Jam: A New Legacy” and “Barbie”; they weren’t presenting stories with a good heart, they were making stories that are too toxic to learn anything.
The Stockholm Syndrome thing always bugged me because she didn’t start coming around to him until he genuinely stopped being a dick to her and started being nice. And when he releases her as his prisoner, she actually leaves. And she may not have come back if it weren’t for the impending danger. That’s not Stockholm Syndrome.
Exactly!!!
That is so true!!!! 🤗
Although the Project Gutenberg version was one hell of a ride 🤣 it oozes Stockholm Syndrome at its finest 🤣
And Whitney Avalon's Princess Rap Battles doesn't help at all, and those shitty memes annoy me.
Abusers can however start to act nice in order to further control them.
Exactly! And he doesn't just act nice in order to make her like him, he finally has some self-awareness and chooses to become a better person. He doesn't try and manipulate her, he just wants her to be happy. And she doesn't stick around, when she goes into the West Wing and he throws a tantrum, she's still technically bound by her word, but she says "fuck that" and bounces because she doesn't feel safe. Both times she returns, there is a reason, and she fully makes that choice. She has so much agency in this film, and it sucks when people try to oversimplify it just to try and dunk on it.
“You can’t buy love with a library.”
Well, no, but with that library, you sure can buy a lot of goodwill.
True...but that's not why he gave it to her. It was purely to make her happy, and to see that look on her face. It was that she "received" it, not that he gave it.
You can buy a lot of acres of the friend zone
@@megroy6396 This is true. There was no evidence that he was trying to buy her love. And that library was amazing.
the best part was that the beast wasn’t trying to even get her love, he just wanted to do something for her that she would appreciate.
I'd love it especially if you let me fill it up with books I love!
Fun fact. While most of the Disney versions of the Grim fairy tails were made less dark by a long shot than the original, Beauty And The Beast's original story is only a little darker than the Disney movie. It is a LOT more complicated though. For one thing there were two fairies a good one and a bad one. Also Adam was a nice guy from the get-go, he wasn't cursed for being mean to an old lady, he was cursed BY an old lady (the bad fairy) for refusing to marry her. OH and she was his former nurse. She took care of him as a baby then decided he was hot once he hit his late teens and got ideas. (Herbert is that you?)
Wow, that's pretty interesting, didn't know that. The danger with the Disney productions is that we tend to forget how the real stories were told. Muss ich wohl doch mal wieder meine Grimmsche Märchensammlung rauskramen 😁.
They changed it for the morals and I like their version better
The original wasn't a Grimm fairytale, it was written by Gabrielle-Suzanne Barbot de Villeneuve.
I also love how Belle is not intimidated by Beast's anger. She sees his character weakness, so his aggression seems toothless to her.
The thing that made me appreciate the animated movie’s curse upon the castle staff was realizing: “Oh. It’s a metaphor. The beast sees them as _objects_ so they turn into… objects. Neat.”
(Edited “seems” to “sees”.)
Oh my god, how did I not catch that?
@@anib8863 I didn’t get it either until I watched/listened to the director’s commentary a while back. 😂 I would highly recommend it!
Why do you explain why you edited your own post?
@@Alice-sj9or Because, sometimes, people see that my comment was edited & never know what it was previously. I like saying what I edited (usually for grammatical things). 🤷♀️
@@chelnahtheegghead hmmm, interesting, thanks for your reply! I personally often edit my posts because I always find small typos here and there after I post them, and I don't really care what others may think... 🙃 I've been working on my people pleasing issues for years - glad to see some patters (like explaining my own actions to other people) finally dissolved.
Gaston wants Belle because, as he says in his first lines “She’s the best. And don’t I deserve the best?”. He views her as just another trophy to keep in his house. That’s not love.
And the fact that he says "I deserve the best", again making Belle his prize.
@Dark That's one thing I liked better in the unnecessary live-action remake; Gaston explains that he's uninterested in the other girls because they throw themselves at him.
@Dark Often times narcissist who are used to getting everything they want, get obsessive or angry when they don’t get what they want. I think the reason he wanted Belle so bad was because he felt like he couldn’t have her which offended him and offered a challenge. He felt like if he could complete that challenge and have her, the one thing out of his reach, that it would be proof that he really is the best. IMO
@Dark I think you missed some very important byplay in the 1991 movie between Gaston and Lefou. He points out that she’s the most beautiful girl in town, making her the best, and therefore, he deserves her. This not only answers the question of “why is he interested in her if she’s so smart and well read and he’s no into that?” But also reveals how much stock and importance Gaston places in physical outward beauty and perfection, his own beauty and perfection, his own worth, and just how little he cares about things like personality and character. As he considers someone to be what he deserves from pure physical beauty ignoring other less beautiful suitors attracted to him as well as the massive incompatibility between his interests and that of the person he wishes to wed.
Notice Gaston points his gun at her in that scene? It's about the hunt, power, control, achieving the unattainable. Powerful and subtle symbology is all throughout this film
I believe that we don’t get close ups of Belle in the Belle song because it’s about how the town sees her, not how she is. The town doesn’t get a closer, more intimate look at Belle so neither does the audience.
This is a good point. I liked how in the animated version the town thought she was pretty but weird, versus the live action version where they just didn't like her.
To me, after watching this video… the power of the story is that Belle started and continued through the story with a solid foundation of her own BOUNDARIES.
YES!
The captions calling Gaston a "No-Belle Prize Winner" was the cherry on top for me. I love this video.
Also another note I read 10:28 as established titties
Omg 🤣
What part was that?
NOOOOO LMAO this is amazing
I had only noticed the "Book thief" nickname and felt so amused
YESSSS FINALLY someone actually proffesional to clarify that this movie is NOT about Stockholm Syndrome. I love you guys
Indeed, as a licensed therapist, Jonathan knows what he's talking about, and would definitely know the signs of real Stockholm Syndrome if he saw them.
There’s also another professional (a therapist I think?) who did reaction on Disney princessses. It wasn’t that person’s personal channel but rather she was invited.
Lindsay Ellis did one too, I think. It also really bugs me when people say that, because it's such a lazy analysis.
Personally I think it’s a bit of both Stockholm syndrome and the syndrome that’s the opposite of it cause in the end, Belle did technically fall in love with her captor too. She just fell in love later than him.
I swear I am so happy right now. I remember another video circulating tumblr that also said that it wasn't, but people just don't seem to understand basic facts, even from a professional.
I NEVER fell for the whole “stockholm syndrome” buzzfeed talking point/hot take… she was never really imprisoned or locked away besides the first 30 mins. She even describes it as “a promise she made”. She could leave at any point (which she literally DOES halfway through) but she goes back because she’s a good person and wants to save the Beast. Before he officially gave her his blessing to leave, no one was really going to stop her from leaving before that. Both the Beast, Belle, and the enchanted staff knew that.
It's sad when there's one dumb ass article with strong enough presentation based on someone's assumption from watching 10 seconds of the film and people buy it and don't bother forming their own opinion on the matter.
Totally agreed. I never knew that was even a perspective people had until now.
One thing that suttley shows Beast becoming more human is when he starts wearing more cloths. His starting outfit was a tattered cap, and ripped pants. In the end its a clean well kept cap, none ripped pants and a clean white shirt.
During the song "Belle", there are so few close-ups of her because the song is about how everyone else perceives her: a pretty girl with her nose in a book. The rest of the movie is about revealing who Belle really is, her compassion and bravery and intelligence, which the Beast is the first to really see. This is important because the whole reason for his curse is that he was a shallow prince that turned away an old woman in need of help because she was ugly. He starts to see past the shallow surface of Belle as a pretty girl with her nose in a book to fall in love with the person she really is underneath.
Perhaps a sad bit of irony that for a movie about seeing past a shallow perception of people, the most common impression people spread is a shallow reading of the story.
amazing interpretation
Belle is more about the town and the ways everyone interacts with her, belle reprise is belle herself speaking and actually her own person showing 💙 i love it
But the real question is, with the beast have given belle a “chance” if she was ugly looking like he is??? This movie plays into the male female double standard very very heavily
@@joygernautm6641 I think at least in the Disney version he wouldn't have much of a choice as there was a wilting rose waiting to kill him. Somebody (somebody marriageable) needed to love him in a matter of *days* , he was not in any position to be picky.
The fairy tale version varies. A lot of it is based more on her unselfishness-her sisters aren't ugly, they're greedy. And in the *real* original tale, Cupid and Psyche, from Roman times, her mortal beauty is immaterial; she is kept in the dark, and later punished for her curiosity in trying to see Cupid's face instead of having faith (and letting her family convince her that he must be monstrous or why would he keep everything dark?), in addition to actual god Cupid being hotter than her. (C.S. Lewis of Narnia fame wrote a version of Cupid and Psyche based on even earlier Estuscan lore where Psyche was outright unattractive but smart and sensible, which was why Cupid chose her, if I remember correctly. "Till We Have Faces" )
"Gaston is a guy in his 30s, and he's still acting like a high school boy" the sad part is, there are lots of people like Gaston around :(
But irl they're not even that good looking 😆 jk
If you hear older people talking with each other, you'll realize that most pf them felt like they're still a high schooler. And here I thought, I'll grew more mature as time goes by.
@@AllyInReality That's where you went wrong. You think being mature has any correlation with age.
@@queerlibtardhippie9357 why do people look down on younger ones then?
@@AllyInReality Since they have less experience, people assume they don't have any maturity.
As a kid, I used to say that Belle was my favourite Disney princess because she didn't fall in love at first sight for no reason like some other princess
Same for me,Belle was the first princess I saw that was strong, intelligent and not depending on a man to save her. I related to Belle deeply through our shared love for literature as well. She will forever be my favourite Disney princess and I think she is horribly underrated.
I have also been turned around; I loved Belle as a kid because she was a girl that loved books as much as I did, but as I got older, I got that same idea that she was just a victim of Stockholm syndrome. You guys gave me back my love for Belle 😊
The thing I love about Belle's relationship with her father is that he is equally willing to sacrifice his life for her as she is for him. He was willing to die as a captive so she wouldn't take her place, and she didn't care how old he was - she wasn't going to let that happen. I imagine she learned what love really means because of the example he set for her. For me, this movie is just as much about the legacy of love as it is about redemption.
That is a fantastic point! All my life, I had never thought about that before.
I think she also learned how to be her authentic self from her father as well since her father is also considered a freak for doing things not the town's way but his way and he too never changes too despite everybody mocking him :)
Such an incredible point! It’s sad how many people overlook this beautiful quality about Belle. It set her apart from so many of the more modern princesses and heroines for me!
The other thing about the scene with Belle treating the Beast's arm is that she straight up doesn't take any of his crap. He's blustering and yelling and getting in her face and she doesn't let herself get intimidated but instead just yells right back. And he ends up actually realizing she's right about some things and backing off, and then answers her sincerely when she thanks him for saving her life. It's the first time he sees her as a person rather than a prisoner, and it completely changes how he behaves towards her from that point on.
Haha, that's wreck it Ralph in a nutshell
This is likely the first time (besides being cursed) Beast was ever scolded by anyone. Think about it, he is only surrounded by scared servants and not many know how to approach difficult subjects without acting like they are walking on eggshells, so while those that knew how to talk to him, he didn't take as seriously. There's no family or other relatives to balance his behavior, so he was so used to having things go his way, including going on full rage when pissed, and with that argument he had to start to learn to humble himself. With Belle's side of the argument, he had to consider that certain traits, such as his temper, have got to go if he wants Belle to at least stay. This was a big step for someone with a lot of pride and bitterness to acknowledge, but it was an important step to his character development as well learning to compromise which is essential in a health relationship. It also (along with saving her) gave Belle a reason to be patient with Beast because he considered her issues that transpired previously and he adjusted to fix those issues, she then started to see Beast had a tender side he was not used to presenting.
Yet she was a child and he was a grown adult
@@keylster6765 Not necessarily, the Beast is 20 turning 21 and Bell is apparently 17, probably to be 18 and she has more worldly experience than Beast, who's been a hermit since he was 11.
@@lelole9360 no, she isn't... She is around 17 could be younger but she is still a minor, and beast is 21, not 20 he is still an adult and she is a minor doesn't changethat fact even if he was 20.
13:15 ish, Beast being genuinely surprised that Belle wants to take her father's place. The incredulous tone is one of the many reasons why this film is beautiful. Beast thinks everyone is a horrible person and horrible to each other, and then theres Belle starting to rewrite his perceptions even then. Then throughout the film she continues to be accepting and courageous and fearlessly herself, which is SO unlike the people in her town who wouldnt dare do anything that would be perceived as "unacceptable" or "different". Belle's personality alone is the reason why she was able to look beyond Beast's fear tactics and bad attitude to eventually encourage him to start thinking differently about life and people and himself also.
I personally think Beast giving Belle the library is not going only giving her interests (Her love of books and reading) but a place for her *her own place with the Palace besides her bedroom* and more welcoming her as her home
"Gaston is a guy in his 30s, and he's still acting like a high school boy".
This basically sums up Gaston's entire character arc, or lack thereof, in a nutshell.
literally Edward from Twilight lol
@@chloeevans5938 😂
The truth of most people out there
@@bigsistahtips indeed, there are way too many Gastons irl, and that is terrifying
@@amiecrowsong since that would be the case for most people...I PEFER to stay single🙂
“The *nuance* is actually where Beauty and The Beast is a lovely story.”
I cannot thank you enough for saying this. ❤️
Precisely, the entire story is a lot more nuanced than we'd expect, and both Belle and the Beast grow to love each other in time.
Same here!!
There was another film I needed them to do!
Hear, hear! ❤️
And this is also why the remake is so dang awful 😭
Beauty and the Beast has always been one of my favourite Disney movies. Belle is the first intelligent Disney princess and I loved it. She's nerdy and people judge her for that. They can't appreciate her mind, because they are only able to see what's on the outside.
Beast was the first Disney prince with a great beard and he teaches us, that this comes with a price. If you find a man with a great beard, he usually has a hairy back ;)
Fun fact: “Beauty and the Beast” lost the academy award for best picture to “Silence of the Lambs,” because without a specifically animated category of course it did.
A few years later, when the show went to Broadway, Anthony Hopkins co-hosted the Tony Awards, so he narrated and introduced the “Beauty and the Beast” performance of the Broadway cast. That’s one of my favorite instances of entertainment worlds colliding.
If you look at it closely, you'll see the Beast is physically everything Gaston loves about himself, taken to the extreme. What separates man from beast in this story is compassion and love, which is why those are what the Beast must learn and earn to become human again. This can only be accomplished through the hard work and dedication of someone who's never cared about outwardly appearance before, but rather the compassion and love in people's hearts: Belle
Wait a minute....You're so right! The Gaston song describes the way the beast looks so well! How did I not notice this?
- Strong
- Large
- Hairy
- Could probably eat more than 5 Dozen Eggs
Except the teeth tho
wAIT I SEE IT YOU'RE SO RIGHT
This reminds me of a writing prompt I saw awhile ago, which basically said "what if instead of the Beast's curse just lifting and disappearing, it transferred to Gaston instead of his death."
I want y'all to do cinderella. People think she's a passive character that's just waiting for a prince to save her but I'm reality she's an abuse victim that does what she can with what little she's given and it's a really good image of feminine strength
There’s also the fact that she didn’t want to find true love or anything she just wanted to dress nice and go to a party
This...exactly this 🙌🙌🙌🙌
@@noxiouschocolate9644 Truee. Home girl just wanted to go to the ball because it's the ball, the first one in a long while. Even a someone uninterested in the royal family but wants to see something new would be interested for the experience. I'd even want to go for the foods made by the royal chefs lmao
The Take has a great video on Cinderella! People seem to forget a lot of the time that she was never even interested in the prince at the beginning; she just wanted a day off from work. Yes, she meets the prince at the ball, but she doesn't go there to meet him; she goes for herself.
I think Cinderella as a character is good, I just don't think the movie as a whole should be used as ultimate role model material for kids. It should be treated as dumb fun like most fairytales imo, further than that and it can be harmful. Because ultimately, what is presented as the reward is romance. It gives the idea that as long as you keep persevering, some prince will just swoop you off your feet and that's kind of the only way things'll get better, to depend on someone else.
Say what you want about the "problematic" theme in beauty and the beast of Belle's imprisonment, there's something compelling about a story of falling for someone who doesn't feel like they deserve love, because the world tells them they're a monster.
And them learning from the example of that person's kindness, how to be kind in turn. With no expectation of anything in return, because they're finally realising they aren't the horrible the thing they were made to feel like.
I think it's a story that, when told right, can be so relatable and - in a sense - revolutionary for typical film love stories.
See I hate that people say that this story is just Stockholm syndrome, it’s so much more than that. It’s seeing people for who they truly are, not for what they look like or how they present themselves to people they don’t trust or know. It’s a beautiful story of a girl giving everything for her father and a beast trying his best to make it comfortable for her and being influenced for the better by her kindness and her true heart. It’s him learning that putting those whose who you love needs before your own. Yes, he started by being selfish but her influence helps him grow and learn the lessons he needed to know; he is better for simply knowing her and her genuine self.
Beautifully put.
"He's just awful because he hates himself" best words I've ever heard
Sounds like myself lol
Oh.....now that I think about it....that's just depressing.
Well it's flat out wrong. This guy never watched it. Beast is awful for being cruel and selfish. Did you ever watch the movie? If so, remind me, why was he cursed? And why was his curse broken?
Since you're probably too lazy, here it is:
Reason for curse: Being selfish to others
Reason for broken curse: Loving others, and getting their love back
@@TraceguyRune true
I kinda like how Belle goes about the place while reading because it shows that she's _not kidding_ when she says "every morning's just the same" in the town, it's to a point she can maneuver her way through it without once looking up from her book that she's completely absorbed in.
Edit: I'm sorry but the way Beast runs in the movie sometimes is _sending_ me
That's a neat observation, it's really true!
Yeah I got that too.
Nine Inch Nail's Everyday Is Exactly The Same plays in my head from this comment. 🤣🤣
the way he runs during the snowball fight 😭😭
@@manasa908 that's the _exact_ scene I was watching when I made the edit lmao
The scene where Belle and the Beast are dancing, that swooping shot across the ceiling and back down, is my absolute favorite scene. When you think about what it took to animate something like that, is incredible and awe inspiring.
What I like about the scene where Beast gives Belle the library is that it’s not on him wanting to try and gain love points, he gave it to her because he was grateful. And he wouldn’t know it’d be such a major gesture because he grew up in privilege and wouldn’t know a small gift.
I think one of the reasons why this cannot be considered as an unhealthy relationship (falling in love with a “monster”) is because Beast’s behavior and attitude towards Belle improves. He was a jerk in the beginning, but then after he saves her from the wolves, he doesn’t fall back to controlling or selfish behavior. He doesn’t hurt her, he lets her go and respects her freedom and her dreams and her choices. Edward and Christian Grey keep falling into possessive and creepy behavior, thus its unhealthy.
Just improving dose not mean it's healthy though, because whenever there is stress in your life the worst parts of you always poke out thier ugly heads. So people should be careful about ignoring red flags just because the have improved. Marriage is going to give you the most stressful and vulnerable moments. Letting someone that close to your heart, it's basically impossible that our faults wont "hurt" our partner at some point, and vice versa.
@@rosasutubechannel That's not the case here though, Beast understanding that Belle needs to leave and cater to her father, and actually letting her go is proof that it _is_ a healthy relationship, since he knows how to give boundaries and let go of her, even if there's the possibility that he'll never see her again.
Actually, the moment Belle finds out that her father is in danger, the possibility to lose Belle forever, should be stress-inducing enough to show someone's true character. And he didn't even panic over it, he just let her go, since he knew that Belle would be better off and happier this way.
@@user-wn3wv5bx5e So sorry, that was an unfinished draft I did not realize posted, Lol. I actually LOVE B&B and similar stories and completely agree with you!
But I do worry for woman and men who can get convinced to stay in toxic relationships because "thier partner is trying/improving" especially because marriage has a way of bring out the best and worst in everyone. Those "worse" parts need to be ones we can accept.
Yeah I never liked Disney's Beauty and the Beast or its original tale but I never understood why people saw it as unhealthy. I do understand why some adults are concerned you know with the i can help a bad boy type of thing but the beast and belle's dynamic isn't bad quite on the healthy side if anything
One of the reasons beast likes belle so much is that she points out his faults im sure being a prince no one ever did this which is why he was cursed in the first place. He wasnt like gaston he wanted to be a better person just didnt know how because he was so spoiled..also it helps that he didnt seek out and kidnap her she made an agreement to trade places giving her control from the start.
I love that Gaston's title is "No-Belle prize winner" in the captions 🤣
I couldn't resist! XD
Also "book thief"...
I had to send to my besties like "omg you guys! 1. Great vid. 2. Watch with cc... it makes it better!"
@@theakaneko Thank you so much for sharing the video. It means a lot to us!
LMAO I didn’t see that!
I noticed "Gastoff" and "Gastnever" too
I used to do the read n’ walk from the library in kindergarten. A kid got in trouble for not looking where he was going, and walking into someone. When the teacher scolded him, he complained, “But Destiny’s doing it!” The teacher responded with, “Well she can do it while keeping up, and doesn’t run into anyone.” 😂😂😂
Honestly my only real issue with this film is that I've always liked how Adam looks better when he's a beast than when he 's a person. His design was so friggin cool!
You're not alone. He's so beautiful as the Beast, and there's just something about those horns....
And to think that Glen Keane got his inspiration from Michelangelo's David to make the prince's design. As a second detail, Gary Trousdale confirmed that he hates the name Adam and that he never had a name.
I am in the minority that thinks he looks beautiful as a human xD
I curiously thought this too, LOL...all this fuss about the last petal...to this? 🤨🤣🤣🤣
His name's not Adam.
8:26 something I didn't bat an eye at as a child that now as an adult makes me deeply uncomfortable... the way Gaston just let's himself into Belle's home and then continuously encroaches in on her personal space even when she makes it very clear (see: taking multiple steps back for every one step forwards Gaston takes towards her- and later even taking care to place pieces of furniture between the two of them, like the table and the rocking chair) that she isn't comfortable with him being so close to her. Nevermind that he then quite literally *pins her* into the corner, and then pins her *again* even after she dodges him the first time. It's an animated children's movie, so I know nothing bad is going to happen, but imagining being in Belle's position in a reality that isn't bound by those rules is absolutely terrifying.
I cringed when I was a 9 yr old (first time seeing this movie). I understood personal space and could see Belle was uncomfortable back then. I think it was instinctive because everything he did was wrong like how he entered the house and was clearly invading Belle's personal space, something which I know people generally don't do to each other and Belle didn't look comfortable.
@@qwmx As a kid I was definitely thinking "Wow rude - personal space, man, could you not?" but I wasn't thinking about how actually threatening that would be from the standpoint of Belle knowing that she wouldn't be able to physically overpower Gaston in order to get away from him if it came down to it. Now that I'm older and know what it feels like to have a man that size coming on to you so strongly, and how small and helpless that can make you feel... it's a whole different brand of discomfort.
I was in that situation once and looking back I realize I handled it the way Belle did, which is to say poorly - trying to stay nice and not set him off in any way, instead of saying screw it and getting out.
Gaston was part of the reason I couldn't stand the animated movie even as a kid actually 😅 i never finished until i was much older
@@hiraphane I wondered why she didn't act a bit more aggressive and assertive. Even at the age of 9, I knew how to set and maintain my boundaries. I was also aware that if you let potentially dangerous things get too close to you, you are less likely to escape it (e.g. dogs), so I was cautious of a lot of things. Now that I'm older I guess she didn't want to exacerbate the situation or the potential danger her position poses to her did not immediately register to her, so she was going along with it while keeping herself safe. If I were her I would have told him to fuck off, but this was a different time and you're forced to get along with people back then.
I like the fact that in the animated version everybody else got curse for no reason because I feel like that illustrates a very important lesson ... your bad decisions have consequences, and sometimes those consequences can spill onto other people
I get what you mean but I think it'll make more sense if the consequence was natural and inevitable. The witch (or whatever) literally decided to curse everyone when she could have just... chosen not to.
@@MercurialMoon I've always thought that the witch should've been a fairy. That's what happens with fairies in stories. If you scorn them as a royal, they take it out on you and everyone connected to you.
@@ShadowyFox_86 i always read her as a fae. I know her proper title is enchantress and that and her actions always made me feel more fae then witch. But i read a lot of fairy tales as a kid so maybe just me ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I like this concept. It falls in line with one my my dad's gripes about the Little Mermaid was as a result of her running away, the whole kingdom for days on end looked for her and her father was nearly worried to death.
That is an amazing point
I am absolutely OBSESSED with Belle’s hair animation when she’s tending to the Beast’s wounds. I keep rewatching it
Belle was always my favorite Disney princess because of her depth, intelligence, and strength. This movie is misunderstood. It’s a beautiful message and Belle is a great role model. I ran this VHS ragged as a kid lol.
Same. Belle is my role model: kind, intelligent, and confident.
Cursing an entire castle for the sake of one person is an accurate representation of the hardship that having a person like beast can have on a family or community who is invested in them. Their struggles are yours and yiu go through their humbling together.
This is an interesting point. The beast does seem narcissistic at first, though the problem with redemption stories in pop-culture is when a narcissist goes through a redemption it gives survivors of narcissistic abuse hope that their narcissist will change too. Most narcissistic people won't change because most narcissists don't think there is anything wrong with them. It gets confusing because deep down narcissistic people carry a lot of shame and at their core they are very insecure but it's like their coping mechanism is to lie to themselves and others that they are the best. Those narcissists that go to therapy usually go to please someone who is threatening to leave them (a.k.a. taking away "narcissistic supply") and sometimes they go and try to learn how to be more empathic from a therapist so they can manipulate people further. It's a great film until you realize that not everyone is capable of change. Gaston never changes making him a true narcissist and his death is basically like the beast killing his old self. The major problem I have with this movie is not about "Stockholm Syndrome" but about the redemption story that is constantly used in the media to make it seem like narcissists can easily change. Sure some people are capable of change but they usually aren't narcissistic people. It's a hard pill to swallow for most people which is why most victims of narcissistic abuse have difficulty leaving or moving on. Most people want to see good in people and hope everyone is capable of change. I like to surround myself with people who are not only empathic but seem to embrace change and are willing to grow.
Interesting insight. Never thought of that.
i like to think about it like it represents Beasts selfish personality. Everybody in his life is just a property and furniture and tools for him
Wow never thought of it that way
One member of the family, especially one so harmful, brings the entire house down with them.
I think a lot of people don't recognize that it's largely the Beast's story of growth, not Belle's. She's in an okay place when she starts, a little bit unsatisfied, but not in crisis. Beast is the one who learns the lesson of the story.
I always saw Belle as the most positive of the classical disney princesses in every way - but yet the most underrated as well, probably because she is just not "girly" enough, but actually challenges a lot of notions about "being a good female". What I never realized before are two things.
1) The human beast doesn't look pretty, as compared to his beast form. I always found this frustrating as a kid - I mean, shouldn't she be rewarded with a handsome guy? But now I realized that there is some meaning in it as well. Even after his resurrection it is still about the character, not the looks. They actually made a good point on that.
2) Belle really stands out in the opening song. The whole village is muddy and brown and yellow-ish. Even Gaston, who is wearing bright colors, falls with his red and black into the over-all color theme. But Belle in her blue and white dress really shines in between the villagers. Like literally. She is easy to spot in every wide shot, underlining her relationship with the town. And her dress doesn't get sullied when she is wiping the mud from the book cover. Like she doesn't let Gaston influence her at all. I don't even know if this is on purpose or not, but if then it is peak symbolism.
Human beast was bloody hideous, I was so disgusted as a kid, lol. Maybe that's why I prefer the book to the film
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder; I think the Beast's human form is quite attractive. 😉
There's a CZcams video called Why the prince looks so weird" and it's mostly because his eyes are too far apart. Also, the shadows weren't right and he's breaking the fourth wall. The rough draft of the prince looks so much better.
The animated version is so much better than the live version. Timing is everything.
The song Evermore is still a catchy af though.
Notice how Gaston's vocabulary expands when he's taking about himself? When Belle calls him "positively primeval" he doesn't even know that it's an insult. But when he's singing his song he's an "intimidating" "specimen" who is good at "expectorating."
I think Gaston simply saw Belle's insult as a playfully defiant challenge.
I love Gaston xD He makes me laugh
Omg I love this
Oh I think he understood what positively primeval meant but was actually flattered by it
@@asiag6863 His overconfident manner suggests my conclusion more than it suggests yours.
It is also possible that the objects that cannot speak were all animals. We know the ottoman was a dog, so maybe the 9,000 plates and forks are all ants or something. When the curse lifts, they're going to need pest control.
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I always thought they were the servants and cleaners of the kitchen.
@@Charlotte8591 Mrs. Potts was a cook/servant so that doesn't stick
Even the roaches were cursed. 🤣
I always figured that, not only did the curse turn the servants into objects but it also bought the objects to life. So when the people turn back into people, the forks just turn back into forks.
THANK YOU SO MUCH!!! I've been so sick and tired of people saying that Belle just has Stolkholm Syndrome, COMPLETELY ignoring what the character growth ACTUALLY was!! I even took someone through the definition of what Stolkholm Syndrome is and then went over how Belle doesn't fall into those categories even if it looks like she does, and they STILL insisted that I was the one who didn't understand!
Of course, this is going by the definition that people normally use, not the one that you later gave. Which I do agree with, cuz by the logic of "I don't see my captor as a one dimensional bad guy but instead as a multifaceted human for whom I can have empathy for" then yea, she has that... but I just hate how people assume that her relationship is her just being manipulated
The whole idea of Stockholm Syndrome (at least it's origin) is bull anyway. A couple of bank robbers ended up with 4 hostages in a bank vault and the cops did increasingly dumb things (see: randomly firing shots, sending in an associate of the first robber and thus gaining a second robber, attempting to send in an alleged suspects brother to talk him down (spoiler: not his brother because they had the wrong suspect identification), locking them in a vault with their hostages) to end the standoff, to the point that the hostages felt more threatened by the cops than the dudes holding them hostage. And because it's obviously absurd to trust your captor more than the police, the police psychologist decides that they must be crazy.
I love how kind you were to this movie. Belle was always one of my favorite princesses, and it is sad to see how much hate this movie gets. Thank you for pointing the beautiful and meaningful parts of the movie!
The symbolism of the books are so important too. Through out the movie you see her love for books because to her she’s living the adventures in the books she reads. You see Gaston constantly abuse her books which essentially symbolizes Belle herself, but Beast saw her love for books and wanted to give her adventure and more stories. Beast himself knows he has nothing to offer her and in his wildest dreams at this point in the movie where he gives her the library, he couldn’t even picture her loving him. She treats him with kindness and he is learning for the first time since the curse that beauty exists inside people not the outside. Truly love the theme of the books though-out!!
Wow😭😭😭
I absolutely love the line in the play. Beast tells Belle that he didn't realize or forgot that books can take him far away from his situation and make him forget what he has become. Belle understands and tells him that in the village she is considered odd.
it is such a powerful scene. It really sparks that connection for the two of them. they realize they have more in common than they realize. They are surrounded by people but felt lonely for so long. I love that they developed a deep friendship.
Wow!! This is so incredibly insightful and very well said. Thanks for sharing it.
People really call obvious things, symbolism now?
@@itsgonnabeanaurfromme symbolism and coding are just literary terms... so maybe write your own analysis rather than being condescending over some one else's?
"Releasing the curse was actually a genocide".
That joke killed me too xD
I mean technically Beast was like 10 when the witch came. It's kind of messed up in multiple ways.
Yup
The dresser with the baseball bat did not go quietly into the night...
if you pause it right there, there's a lot of meme potential
It's the "Wookie Slaves on the Death Star" Dilemma all over again! 😁
The bank heist in Sweden didn’t even happen in Stockholm, it was in Oslo. And the hostages of the bank refused to testify against the robbers because the police had made such a sh*tshow out of the negotiations that the hostages had lost faith in the police, where the robbers had actually done more to make sure that the hostages were comfortable than law enforcement did. And some ‘specialist therapist’ or something in Stockholm *heard* about this encounter and came up with this idea based off reports, without even meeting the victims.
I know; it's crazy that people use such a realistic reaction to make up this entire category of 'dark romance' where people are 'irresistibly drawn' to their abusers for NO REASON. I have NEVER heard of a real-life instance of that happening. In abusive relationships I have actually heard of, the victim believed initially that their abuser was a good person; they were tricked and manipulated into falling in love with a false illusion, not the 'dark reality.' Once they learn the truth, they don't leave because they are afraid of the consequences of angering their abuser, simple as. And maybe natural human embarrassment to accept that they were deceived in the first place. It's a tough situation to 'just leave.' But nobody falls in love with abuse for the sake of being abused. It's just not reality.
Edit: Just realized that I didn't clearly indicate that I don't think Beauty and the Beast is in any way representative of this fake 'romantic' Stockholm Syndrome at all, anyway!
THANK YOU! It always bugged me so much that people labelled this relationship as "problematic" and "toxic" (but then, the internet throws around the word "toxic" way too much). If Belle started blushing or showing signs of romantic love when the Beast was being a jerk and verbally abusive then yes, that's toxic. But Belle had no qualms about setting her boundaries or escaping an unhealthy situation. I've even seen people claim that Gaston, the narcissistic misogynistic incel, was a better suitor for Belle than the Beast. Like, how could you watch the entire movie and still go "yeah, Gaston is so nice"?
The Beast was an awful person at first but the whole point of the movie is to show how he redeems himself. Gaston and the Beast are foils to each other - while they both start off as selfish and aggressive, the Beast learns to show compassion, to love Belle and in turn, love himself; while Gaston digs himself deeper and deeper into the hole where he thinks he's right about everything and he deserves to snatch whatever he wants with no regards to people around him, which ultimately ends in his downfall (pun intended).
People really just want to act as if older Disney movies were lame because the female characters were kind and empathetic (and hence, "not strong and independent" because we all know that strength = physical power), or because the story had a nice romance in it.
Also the way books in this movie was treated took away half of my lifespan lmao
finally! i'm so tired of ppl just writing the whole story off as completely toxic and a total "Stockholm syndrome" thing. i've always thought of it as the first Disney princess movie to actually show the characters gradually grow to love each other, instead of the whole "love at first sight" stuff. i also disagree with the idea of Belle trying to "cure him with her love". that's just not what happened. she only started warming up to the Beast after a positive change in his behaviour.
Of course it has to be more realistic, the original story is a morality tale of premodern French expectations of marriage, when most marriages were arranged.
He did kidnap her, though lol.
@@sharlebrooks7406 she did still have a lot of agency in this though. she offered herself in exchange for her father's freedom (yes, under the pressure of the situation, but no one demanded it from her), she had the means to escape, she could have left after the wolf fight instead of bringing the Beast back to the castle.
The worst thing about the people who cry "Stockholm Syndrome" is that they have no idea what the condition actually is. As these guys established, it is *not* "hostage falls in romantic love with their captor." Yet every asshole thinks they're suddenly a licensed therapist and qualified to describe this despite doing zero research. It's the worst type of misappropriated and misunderstood pop psychology right up there with dream therapy and ink blot tests.
@@genevieva_b that does not negate the fact that he captured her father and then took her captive lol.
People, if you watch this without captions, you are missing out. The captioner has so many different nicknames for Gaston it is hilarious! Gastoff, Gastno, Gastnever, and the best is No-Belle Prize Winner!
Lol the last one 😂
Thanks for pointing out! Didn't know this :)
This show always has great closed captions.
Also Gastout. 🤣 Thanks~
Yes! The Captions on the Twilight Saga were hilarious! Sparklyboy, Wolfy...
I love the lesson to young girls watching this movie, that, even if you give your word to stay with someone, as soon as you feel your life or safety is threatened, the correct course of action is RUN! GET OUTTA THERE!! YOU ARE IN THE RIGHT TO FLEE!!
This has long been my favorite Disney movie. As an adult, when everyone fell into the "yeah, but it stockholm syndrome" perspective, I never knew how to counter that. Until now! So thank you for giving me ammunition with which to defend my favorite Disney film! 😁
Can I also add how it's interesting that Belle actually has a loving parent? I think it's important because if Belle didn't have the safety of growing up with a loving, supportive parent, and had an abusive parent or something, she might have responded to Gaston very differently and might have fallen for the love bombing. And she wouldn't have had the self worth to set boundaries with the beast
Most if not all the princesses have loving parents, most of them are just dead
I think it's important that her mother is gone as well; women spread so much of the toxic social expectations to each other and other girls, even though we should know better, in the name of "keeping them safe from predators" or "making their social lives easier" that Belle's slightly out of touch father made her both somewhat parentified (not a good thing but sometimes useful) and less feminine in her approach to people, etc. Maurice would have been cultured the way men of their time were; Belle was then cultured at home the way men of her time were, and was told "Girls do X" by those villagers as a secondary or tertiary reinforcer, with far less power over her than her father.
@@rebeccahahn6172 yesss
True, that happened with my little cousin. She was dating this guy and after putting up with his nonsense for a while, she realized that she didn't have to because she watched her parents and saw they're better relationship. So she was like "I don't have to put up with this" and ditched him.
@@TazHall Is she happy now? Is he completely out of her life now? :o
I like how, in the library scene, Beasts' eyes are all for Belle - he doesn't look around the library, he just wants to see her happiness, because it makes him happy.
I love that he's not giving her something in exchange for her liking him. He's giving her something just because she likes that thing.
It's his library, why would he look at it? I think he's seen it before.
Also the big smile on his face when doing so, since like you said it's something that will make her happy and he's happy for her happiness
True
Man, the details in the movie are SO GOOD
This is one of my favorite Disney movies growing up, and this is easy to see why. It's really hurtful and aggravating when people say that Belle shows Stockholm Syndrome towards the Beast when she obviously WASN'T SHOWING ANY!!!🙄 There's good, genuine chemistry between Belle and the Beast, even me at four years old could see that, plain as day!
In the beginning of the movie when we meet Gaston, he is talking about how he wants to marry Belle. During this, he is pointing to Belle with his gun that he had just used to shoot down the bird. It could be another of showing how Gaston just she's her as her next target, his next item to possess.
Unrelated note: I’d love to see a Therapist Reacts video on Shrek and Fiona’s relationship. ❤️
Oh, we will get there!
And some Disney references along the way.
@@CinemaTherapyShow you guys are awesome.
@@CinemaTherapyShow thank god!
Whoohoo!
Unrelated but I love how Alan is geeking over the movie details. It's so fascinating to listen to passionate people like Alan and Jonathan, and it's one of the reasons why I genuinely love this channel. Besides crying with Alan, of course. 😂
Me too, since Alan is a professional filmmaker, it makes sense that he'd be more attuned to spotting easily missed details!
#cryingwithAlan absolutely the best section ever
It's really nice to have someone who knows about film who isn't an animator actually deeply appreciate animation as a medium equal to live action filmmaking. I had a homeroom teacher in high school who who also taught film who did not watch anything animated because he didn't see there was any worthwhile in doing so. I lost all respect for that teacher that day.
#cryingwithAlan
#cryingwithalan
I have that argument with people all the time about it not being Stockholm syndrome (at least the way people think it is) and it's so exhausting. Beauty and the Beast is my favorite Disney princess movie, and Belle is my favorite princess. It holds a huge place in my heart, so I always get passionate when people resort to just saying it's glorifying Stockholm syndrome. I'm always like: "DID YOU EVEN WATCH THE MOVIE!?"
I'm so glad you guys disputed it, I'm not going to lie, I was a little scared when I clicked on this because I thought I was going to have to hear more people tell me how I'm wrong and it is Stockholm syndrome (the love one). 😭😭
This inspired me to rewatch the film as it was one of my favourites as a child - thank you! I forgot how delightful the animation is and the acting and character design are just wonderful.
A few things I noticed on the re-watch:
Beast does a surprised look when Belle thanks him for saving her life... like he's suddenly thinking, "I did what? ...Did I do something good?"
The "he's my friend" moment also feels really significant, because we know Belle didn't have any friends in the village (beyond that nice old bookseller, what a lovely man :) ). She really wants "to have someone understand" and she really feels Beast understands her in a way that the people from the village haven't - there's a couple of nice shots of them reading together, which suggests she's been able to share her love of books and stories with him.
I think there's always a delicate line when a story could be interpreted as problematic 'but it's ok cause she likes it'... You know, there's a dark brooding hero, but the heroine is into him so it's ok? I like how Belle *doesn't* tolerate Beast's intimidating behaviour - I think she sees that she's genuinely upset him in the West Wing but while she apologises for her overstepping, she refuses to stay to be roared at, and later reminds him to control his temper. She becomes happy at the castle when he takes the time to show a softer and gentler side to her... and even then, as much as it's a lovely adventure, she misses her father.
There's a heart-rending moment when Beast realises he needs to let her go because it seems like the moment he's finally achieved the goal of learning to love he realises that when you love someone, you value their happiness above your own self-interest, and no sooner does he realise this than he has to put it into action.
And in general I love how tenderly and gently he treats Belle after the wolf incident and wound scene. I feel like when rewatching it's obvious that there is a vulnerable side to him even early on, but when he dares to let Belle see this side of him, everything gets better.