I would love to keep playing this game, but my eyes degrading and life won't allow it It was one of my first RPG games that I first logged hundreds of hours effortlessly. It was fun.
Personally I think it shows how poorly people actually understand politics, and how well the game's characters are written. They all sound convincing when they give their ideological speeches.
Fun fact about Fiat currency argument, In Fallout new vegas there is a quest called "Pressing matters" in which if you ask Alice McLafferty about the cap economy, she tells that there are a plenty of cap pressing machines, some of them are destroyed, but some are kept, so by that logic caps are no better than NCR dollars
It's not bad because they have the capability to make more caps, it's bad because caps are backed by water instead of something like gold. Regardless, being backed by clean water is still better than fiat, which means the caps are better than the NCR dollar. McLafferty also says they recover or destroy the machines to keep them away from counterfeiters and keep the caps value stable.
@@VANZ1111being backed by clean water is fine when it's scarce, but when they come across an abundance of it, their economy will collapse. Given we know about DC having the massive purifier and distributing free water and there are large sources of fresh water inland (e.g. Zion), their economy will at some point crash from over-supply. Much like the Spanish Empires when they introduced excess gold and Silver from the Americas into their gold backed economy. The West Coast and Mojave may be desserts and heavily bombed, but they are expanding into areas which aren't, as well as Caesar controlling areas which most likely have abundant fresh water.
Im pretty sure that Alice was talking about how there were counterfeit caps, meaning that there were new caps being produced which damages the cap economy since caps with value are the ones made pre-war. I may be wrong about this but please enlighten me if I made a mistake.
bottle caps have value because they were traded for water in the early days of Fallout, is water is started to be traded for other currencies bottle caps die as currency.
I like the idea how each faction are essentially participants in a poker table who all bet equal hands, and the only one to tip the favor to them is the presence of a dealer/Courier
The best thing is that it's done in a way where it's believable. House can't leave his tower, Legion really only needs you to drive the nail home(they basically have the Royal flush unless you rig the odds) NCR is tied by deficits and law. It's made believable and I love it.
@@juanjose2863 I think you mean Bethesda game and Fallout started out as a Black isle studio property, but yeah, Skyrim does have something going with it's own choices but it's not as compelling to talk about as New Vegas
I get the analogy. But ultimately without Courier intervention, Caesar would have won easily. House and Yes Man need you to get things into place, while the NCR need you to basically rebuild morale to the finish line.
@@alphabet2238 Yeah, Caesar would have won, but he ultimstely wouldn't be able to find someone trustworthy enough to fix his brain damage, so he either dies and the Legion is stuck without his leadership with no solid direction to go on now that New Vegas is theirs, or he perseveres, still running the tribes to the ground with constant warfare and also suffering from having an Int stat lower than an animal
The most disappointing part of outer worlds, was how positive my ending slide was. My first new Vegas ending was the epitome of "the road to hell is paved with good intentions"
That game was a cartoon, I literally sided with the corporation because I thought it would be nuanced but all I got was the Legion of Doom from the 1970’s Super Friends Cartoon
As much as House claims to be incorruptible, his massacre of the Kings, or even him asking you to wipe out Hidden Valley, (with the same energy as asking someone to fetch a newspaper) is chilling. No faction is best for the Mojave, because the Mojave isn't a homogenous block, and I suppose the point Obsidian were trying to make was whoever you think is best, reflects your own values.
Well, you can spare the Kings with House... It just involves an unfortunate incident where they started shooting at my Courier for accidentally drawing out my brass knuckles thinking it is a deadly weapon that can harm several of them armed with guns, they shot at me first with no intention to fight back, and if you shoot some guy who is a third party by the way, that wants to negotiate a ceasefire just for showing some brass knuckles accidentally, then they deserved getting wiped out, peacekeeping soldier or not, they are too trigger happy for their own good, so yeah the Kings got spared and hell I never thought they would be wiped out in the first place because of that incident, my first impression of House is that he's a pretty cool and decent guy, has plenty of flaws but understandable, and besides I hated the Brotherhood after what they did to the Followers outpost and really internalized in me that they are a threat, in all my playthroughs I literally killed the Brotherhood over and over again, they are an evil faction and have no future, they need to be wiped out or the people of Mojave will suffer, the Kings though? Didn't deserve it, but yeah like I said it wasn't the ending slide of the Kings getting killed that was my first impression of House, it was them and securitrons teaming up to drive NCR forces and squatters out of Freeside instead.
@@theeternal2734 Yeah. Stop. That's not the reason and you know it. Lol. There are many different reason the NCR is the best choice, and none of them really have to do with the "nicest slide show" or whatever nonsense you're talking about.
@@khrashingphantom9632 House wants to go to space. There's a threat up there that few in the wasteland are even aware of but that threat has been aware of humanity for centuries (maybe even longer). I'd pick the guy who'd set up a perimeter of defensive satellites quickest.
Is it weird that most of the legion described Lanius as a savage animal who had no love for the legion and whose desire is only to destroy his enemies, but when you finally met him face-to-face he turned out to be MORE calm and reasonable that he managed to see the legion's weakness?
The two aren't really mutually exclusive. Yes he's a monster that cares more about war and conquest than the legion itself, But he's a smart monster. He can be reasoned with, not by engaging him in philosophy or ethics, but in military strategy. You convince him he won't be able to conquer the Mojave like he wants to, so he makes the smart decision and leaves.
one of the failures of this video I think is assuming that Lanius is exactly what people say about him. The fact he can be reasoned with and has his own arguments etc. shows he is more intelligent than people make him out to be. I know if New Vegas 2 was ever made the devs would probably roll over and say YEP LANIUS DESTROYED THE LEGION AND IT ALL FAILED AFTER CAESAR DIED but I think it'd be more interesting if the Legion survived Caesars death.
@@DozleZabi I think they would keep the Legion around. Roman larpers are a cool idea to waste. Whether they would devolve into a tribal confederacy, never achieving Caesar's dream, or stabilizing into a smaller nation state centered around Arizona depends on the writer, I guess.
I think I take the word of Ulysses, legate is an warrior in the end of the day, but he smart, like any individual he cares about staying alive, hearing what happen to graham, showed that nobody not even an personal favourite is immune, he can't afford to fight a lossing battle, he knows how to break tribes, but he also smart enough that failure means death.
@@giovannicervantes2053 he would probably love the tech but hate how theyre hoarding it and doing alot of inefficient or unethical shit, then try to take over or something, since house generally tries to actually Help the wasteland with the tech he has, and he feels like the kind of person that would be against kidnapping and unwilling tests even if its for better tech
He could but i dont think he would. More beneficial to stay wired into the lucky 38 and his securitrons by extention. He could get a synth body then wire himself back in, like a backup way to defend himself if someone gets to his body but i feel like he'd deem that unnecessary or even a potential risk letting people get close for such a process to take place.
@@Jed.Blazerwith the sheer tech that house and the institute have, it's possible that they could create a synth body that could stay connected to the 38 wirelessly or something
Just Imagine if anyone managed to get into Benny room or the Lucky 38 and said "I am your boss now, follow what I say" Would probably lead to a cool alt history thing.
It's so interesting that there are no intelligence checks to Caesar's dialogue regarding his explanation of his motives. It really shows how the developers knew his ego wasn't compatible with being challenged or even being examined by an intellectual of the same or greater caliber. The only one he accepts for that role is Arcade, and only if he becomes a helpless slave. He requires power and leverage to accept intellectual equality, as if that tips everything to him being correct.
Can you question Oliver (pay your taxes, don’t forget to vote for your totally independent president, who is NOT controlled by Brahmin Barron oligarchs) or House (yfw 2 intelligent to fix poverty, I’ll colonize mars tho, just you wait) though? They all spew propaganda at you in equal proportions.
I was a bit disappointed with with high intelligence you can't speak to him more about Roman culture and latin and you still has dumb options like asking what does pax romana means etc.
I personally would of liked an intelligence test, like there was in Fallout 2, in Vault City. If you make the logical, intelligent test/charisma tests, you get exiled, because the First Citizen won't accept 'Foolishness', even though it's just you pointing out the actual problem and she won't accept it. I would of loved, being able to 'reason' with Caesar, only for him to order the Praetorians to 'remove' you.
The fact that every faction is flawed to some degree is what makes New Vegas so good. There's no solidly good or evil path. There's nuances that you learn along the way and gives something fans to discuss in depth for years.
To be fair, messing up Yes Man as badly as possible and putting Lanius in charge are both pretty evil. Caesar is quite clear that the Legions current form is not the final form he intends for it. Once he captures Vegas, he intends to use it as a capital and create a proper society (rather than simply a nomadic army). The sexism is and slavery is a means to an end, rather than Caesars vision, but this will not progress with Lanius in charge. Caesar definitely leans towards evil, but it's more of a case of "do the ends justify the means?". It's also hinted that he intends to groom the Courier to succeed him after his inevitable death. Lanius is plain evil though. Caesar is also aware that he cannot assimilate civilised citizens in the same way he assimilated tribals. I'm not saying he will achieve his vision, but his end goal isn't evil - just his methods.
I’ve heard house originally was even more beneficial to the Mohave than it was in the full game, but the devs realized they made him too much of a “default” for good couriers, so they had to add some flaws (one of which I think was the sudden and random invasion of Freeside).
You can make the NCR and House work together during All or Nothing through the Barter 100 option. NCR gets concessions from New Vegas in good faith to encourage their withdrawl from the Mojave. Then the NCR is also offered the opportunity of conquering the crippled Legion's territory with House's securitirons guarding NCR carvans through the Free Economic Zone of New Vegas, on top of guarantees for Fair Trade practices for FEZoNV-NCR trading. House extorts NCR over Hoover Dam electricity and Lake Mead water, NCR undercuts House with the caravan families, everyone wins. The Securitron Army, paired with the New California Republic Millitary, taking the fight to the Legion straight away, destroying them then liberating their inslaved population would create probably the most powerful regionally uncontested society in post-war America. This is on top of House's vast technological knowlage now being used to full effect. The Mojave is safest in this scenario, the only ending where neither NCR or Legion would ever stand to return aggressively ever again, no other ending allows for this. I'm fully willing to die on this hill because honestly I think this is objectively the best option possible.
Sadly I suspect the NCR would sooner or later turn on house (Unless house manages to expand his millitary to the point of soloing the NCR). Especially as the learn more about how house does his buisness. As they learn of his technology, its limitations and possibly how to replicate it. But it will buy time, and even if the peace is only temporary: I agree that its still the best ending.
I think in due time The NCR will always win. For them the now or never it's solely depending on their presence in the Mojave and taking the dam. But unlike Caesars legion. They have a clear line on of progression. And their constantly relearning old ways of living. The legion as was pointed out is ruled by the smartest, or the strongest with leadership up for grabs at a moments notice. Caeser only pretends to shun the old ways to keep his people in line but the moment he's sick he wants you to hunt down a device that will cure him off his tumor. I say NCR wins in the long run.
This ain’t perfect, further down the road things can absolutely go wrong, but this does sound like the best ending possible in general. What are the alternatives, after all? A slaving nation? A smart guy in a computer that wants good for only the strip? Some funky yes guy? I agree that this has to be the best ending, but mostly because everything else suck and everyone wins for a good while at least.
House's ending is the most diplomatic one if you have 100 speech. You can basically use NCR laws against them, making Vegas a close neighbour and economic partner rather than a rival.
@@morbidzombiiExactly this. NCR simps don't realize that their most glaring negatives would be mitigated if they'd focus inwards rather than outwards. Which is exactly what happens *when they lose.* (And certain other conditions, like Kimball staying alive) It's ironic that people are so stuck on which faction should win, that they don't think about what happens when they don't.
The NCR is under an environmental crisis and faces starvation soon. They have a decade to expand and take off the strain by relocating into the outer regions of the wasteland. Financial wise it's strained to its limits with the Barrons and corruption. Lastly it's expanding too quickly with an inept ruler. Tandi was a very adept ruler compared to the ones who came after
I wish this ending was an option for the nonhouse independent vegas path. I feel like you can have a greater impact on the NCR as an opposing force, rather than internally. Sort of teddies carry a big stick mentality in trying to change the NCR.
@@DiegosBloodspray yeah no shit I just watched the video. My comment takes issue with your idiodic use of the "genocide" to describe a single military leader in a nation ordering the destruction of a hostile faction. While describing the same act as "questionable" when a dictator has it done directly on his orders.
@@DaRoachDoggJunior Colonel Moore is not a single acting or innocent entity, she herself states that her actions have to go through NCR higher ups and politicians in California and they approve of her decisions because they “bring results” meaning she is acting of her own volition ordering these actions and the NCR government approves Moore’s actions fall under the dictionary definition of genocide regardless of how you or I feel about it, House massacring the kings does as well, I just didn’t refer to them as such in the video because I thought anyone with an IQ above a number on the face of a clock would be able to understand that, nor did I excuse house’s behavior, my argument within the video, which you would’ve understood if you actually watched it as you claim, does not hinge on whether or not house has committed genocide against anyone, my argument is that house doesn’t commit these heinous actions to the same propensity or frequency for the same trivial as reasons as the NCR or Legion
@@DiegosBloodsprayDude, come on. The NCR isn’t that bad. You’re being subjective here. NCR has shown, time and time again, that it weighs better options.
@@andryuu_2000 House knows that he can’t really beat the NCR and keep Vegas, if the NCR really tried. So he constantly makes sure that the NCR can’t get a real foothold on the strip and ever seriously question his leadership. So he keeps them busy and suppressed as much as he can. Which is why he is ok if the Kings fight against them. If the NCR can’t get friendly with Freeside, they won’t be able to enter the strip
You can also do the quests for the Kings and call in your favor to force them to make peace with the NCR. This gives House a moment of reasoning to see how allowing the Kings to keep peace in Freeside works best and both factions are allowed to exist. Add in the Speech 100 check to use the NCR's laws against them and force them to make peace with House and accept the Mojave as a trade partner allows House to run the strongest neutral empire in the remnants of America.
@@sintanan469 Actually if you make peace between the Kings and the NCR house will still wipe them out, as they are a backdoor risk for letting his enemies into Vegas.
It's possible that Yes Man is aggravated by the fact that whether he wants to or not, he _must_ obey the courier, and Yes Man might be more docile without that aggravating him. Just a possibility.
I feel like with the NCR, there is a big point missed with the actual people in it. And the NCR does genuinely have the most good people in it. People who are willing to go out of their way to help others are not that hard to find in the republic, at least compared to the other factions. The ideals that the NCR “pretends” to represent actually rub off on a lot of people in it, and sure, not a lot of those people are high in the ranks, but they do make enough decisions to make a good difference. Or least a more than negligible difference. Yes man is too unstable, the legion refuses to take the good of other civilizations and adapt, and house has lofty goals for improvement, but he only sees people as tools to step on to get to those goals. The NCR is the only group with some sort of morals that at least some people in it are bent on following. And that does make some difference in the end.
I find it kind of ironic that the NCR was basically created because of one mans help and that the NCR would fail in the Mojave if not for another ones help.
History is full of great men who change its course. If the Thirteen Colonies never had George Washington, how much would history change? A lot actually, despite his military track record.
I think the number one problem with house is that while he insists that he has the best in mind for humanity he does not actively improve the lives of anyone outside the strip. The people of freeside and west side live in poverty while the people in the strip live lives of excess. House is so hyper fixated on the future that he consistently fails to acknowledge the current situation In New Vegas and even the Mojave wasteland as a whole. He repeatedly looks down upon the people of the wasteland when he could not even begin to comprehend the lives of the people of the Mojave. It takes a lot more than intelligence and vision to effectively lead a nation and without a governing body to make up for what house naturally lacks as a person I believe that House’s leadership would essentially lead to the enslavement of the Mojave.
well can he help this people? NCR could not becouse they are all over the place doing multi tasking and doing horrible at it, Legion certainly don't care so house knows he can't fix this problem so why try fixing it in his vision it would be a loss of resources that would't make a difference
Yeah people tend to take his word for things as well. He is an Andrew Ryan-type, he makes grandiose promises and dazzles with glitz and glamor, but he is just another pre-war elite obsessed with his own "idealized" future. We saw how the consolidation of business and state in bed-together damned the pre-war population to death or the vaults. Trusting House is like trusting Eden or Vault-Tec. He'll break any promise, backstab any friend, slaughter any foe and do whatever it takes to build his own vision of the bastarized system that caused the Great War. Vegas might rebuild and it may even prosper, but the Mojave's best hope under House is to be a resource in his empire of one man.
Baby steps bro. He can’t over exert his forces before he has enough robots/or the courier. He may believe the cost of saving them not worth the resources necessary. House’s rule may not be indefinite. And can always be unearthed later or passed on to the courier.
Maybe his plan is to make The Strip so great that as people flock to it for employment, entertainment, ETC. It would expand as he gains more money and resources. Then he would slowly take over Freeside once The Strip runs out of room and expand outward.
admittedly house does not have the resources of a nation state, and basically runs only off money from the strip and a bit of electricity from the dam as NCR takes almost all of it from the treaty, so considering the NCR can't even do this despite the fact they claim as much i don't blame house for not focusing on the poor. i don't deny that house is elitist, i know 100% that house doesn't consider them most of the time in his grand scheme, but i don't think he has any reason not to empower the poor of freeside and elsewhere eventually. for only pragmatic reasons he would reduce poverty, simply because people with free time and money will seek out luxuries an education, giving back more to society in the long run. house will know this with all his degrees in economy, sure its a very cold calculating reasons to better the lives of citizens but still, i believe as he has more of a monetary base to spend once vegas becomes free it is very likely he would start to enact social services to better freeside and the surrounding areas.
I like how Caesar’s death with such an awful successor as Legate Lanius is treated as the nail in the coffin for the faction’s effectiveness, while Mr. House’s lack of a worthy successor is cited as a “minor inconvenience.” If he dies, it’s unlikely that another person with humanity’s interests in mind such as him would rise to power in his place. With a corrupt individual in control of a powerful autocracy, the consequences could be utterly dystopian.
@@trite4654 Considering he’s lasted 200 years in that life support, chances are he will last much longer, at least long enough for him to digitally upload himself and disregard biological limitations.
I do think that when it comes to Mr House you do tend to overrate how altruistic he actually is. Just because he says that what he cares about is humanity's future, doesn't mean that it isn't fundamentally about himself. What Mr House cares for, first and foremost, is his own particular vision of what the future should be and in that sense he is a true autocrat. He doesn't care about what people do individually in their lives because they aren't a threat to him and his goals, when it comes to expansion he will inevitably displace and destroy the lives of others because that's just the price of doing business. It is at it's core selfishness with the affectation of nobility.
Mr. House cares about all men. Also Mr. House, "Eventually, Mr. House recognized that he could use Freeside as a filter for undesirables and pulled his favored tribes and all Securitrons into the Strip, leaving Freeside to fend for itself."
He is still better than those corrupt ineffient morons called the "NCR" he trips them over 10 fold with our help, the NCR rots itself from the inside... The legion... Is... The Legion... And YAAAAAAAAAS Man is just a plain sociopath. The House always wins!
Actually, House straight up tells the Courier that he plans to make them into their new successor, a replacement to Benny, in one of his first dialogues.
Mr. House never thinks about anyone as his successor, as he says at 51:53 he palns to live 100 more years so you won't outlive him, Benny and later the courier are only agents for his will
@@XMarkxyz Literal quotes from Mr. House's dialogue, which I will stitch together for the purpose of this comment: (talking of Benny) "Until his recent misbehaviour, I'd planned to make him my protege. To achieve my aims, I require a capable agent to perform certain... Tasks. Now, you've come along, a more than suitable replacement." The way he talks, he does seem to imply that, though he may refer to you as an "agent" and "employee", he is effectively entrusting on putting you at the position of second-in-command. Which in turn would also imply that, being him such a maddingly calculating, scheming individual planning and thinking for every minute detail, he may definitely have some contingency plans of sorts in place to have you, the player, continue his legacy in the event anything ever happens to him in the future.
My guess is that it was pulled from some kind of grift for hucking gold or crypto. That usually ends up being the end case made by that kind of crap. I mean why does gold have value…? Outside of certain specific modern industrial areas of use, it’s just valued because people have just agreed it’s something valued. Of which the value can fluctuate completely on the general public sentiment on what that gold can be traded for. Any kind of currency that allows you to leave feudalistic bartering is inherently based on implicit valuing of a placeholder for value to facilitate trade.
@@gustavrsh "As well" what other example are you referring to? The reason no major currencies are gold anymore is because all the gold backed currencies failed during one of the world wars lmao
I know time constraints really put a damper on the depth of the Legion but I wish you could get an ending where Caesar named you his successor. It feels like that's what its all building to.
In ancient Rome, currency was often how people learned of a new Emperor. Aurelian squashed the Palmyran rebellion because they were minting coins with someone else's face on it.
@@spindash64 Pretty much, yeah. Putting your intended successor on the coinage was a common practice through the medieval period. By putting the Courier in a position of authority second only to himself, Caesar is tacitly appointing his heir.
"Mr. House wants the best for mankind." He can't even be bothered to help freeside. You literally included Julie Farkas' quote where she directly calls him out.
He also states that House has never invaded a community or anything of the sort forgetting that he forced a group of vault dwellers out of their vault and filled it with concrete
@@jordanquill8079 House gets involved if something does affect him personally Vault 21 contained passages and tunnels into restricted sections of the Strip, and he filled the area with cement specifically to prevent entry into important server rooms (Benny did anyways, but that's beside the point) Also, the game was rigged, but he at least had enough mercy to keep the upper levels and employ the former residents
He CAN'T help freeside, he has to secure his own territory for the battle ahead, and besides the moment he does win the war, first thing he does is send securitrons into freeside so it can become under his wing, if you help the kings even better. By the time you start the game Mr.houses security force is extremely small and not that powerful, makes sense not to spread em out.
@@DiegosBloodspray House literally genocides a group in conquest he's an imperialist and goes out of his place of jurisdiction. The same traits you used to criticize NCR and those said that House doesn't possess
Just as a correction, in an interview with either Chris Avallone or Josh Sawyer, one of them said that Yesmans reprogramming was to make it so that only the courier can command him. Meaning that only us, or anyone we might appoint can control yes man
49:40 As much as it pains me to say it as a House/Yes Man endings fan, there is technically one other ending besides BOS and Kings where House does questionable thing. If you make NCR side with Primm (which is possible since some players miss Primm Slim sheriff option or thinks a slow protectron ain't a good Sheriff candidate) then House ending states that "as a punishment, Primm is heavily taxed by House for their disloyalty" so... That's an interesting dilemma, NV does have an issue with end slides contradicting in game lore a bit, e.x. the Legate Lanius speech or barter checks imply that he isn't that big of a dumbass, and the Lonesome Road DLC implies that real Lanius isn't that big of a monster, Legate Lanius is first and foremost, *a symbol* aka all the talks about him being a monster is basically a propaganda, a symbol for Legion to use to create fear. The issue however is that ending slides where you side with Legion but Edward is dead, clearly imply that Lanius IS a dumb butcher who just slaughters for sht and giggles. Same issue I have with House endings, if you make Primm get NCR help and they leave, why does House punish them? Seems like it's ME who deserved a punishment since it's ME who made said alliance. Plus Primm is so far away from House, why does he fear em siding with NCR who already fled? Also Goodsprings ending maybe implies that he spies on Goodsprings which is again, why?
Tbh that's likely because the game was rushed. Many things wouldn't be able to be fleshed out because they gave the Devs a year to write all of this and make it good.
@grugnotice7746W hy? He already taxes the casinos. House is just trying to run NV like a monopolized corporation where he is the effective ceo and dictator. Taxes are definitely in his character, as long as he's the one benefiting from them. He's just a selfish egomaniac. His line about killing the president being understandable because of taxes is the games humor. He wouldn't stand for people evading his own taxes, but the ncr, who cares.
Independent ending is very much left to how you see your character. If your Courier is 10int 10cha who has think tank minds and tech, and has support of all factions - I totally can see them as a new leader. Also, keep in mind, that Yes Man exists in every ending, so whoever takes control of NV would have to deal with him. Republic is not really ready for a war - they have neither resources nor supply lines for that. Should they be thrown away, I doubt they would return anytime soon. And, again, think tank has the technology to start mass producing combat robots. Robo scorpions, anyone?
Under the best possible circumstances many NCR citizens would see the Courier as a hero. Chief Hanlon would for sure stick up for the Courier back in California.
It is honestly the objective best and worst ending, because of how much is left up in the air and how much your courier is a effective leader, creator, and whatever else you can come up with in headcannon. It's the most malleable ending out of them all.
He's shady tho, doesn't he tell you at the end that he's taking control and doesn't need you anymore (basically just using you and acting like your friend to reach his goal and strip you of control) he just wants it to be him and the securitrons and doesn't really gaf about the people of vegas if you really look at it. He's also paranoid af, if he doesn't trust the Boomers (who just want to be independent themselves) what makes you think he'll trust the think tank or vice versa? Maybe with House gone he might be able to forge an alliance but for how long?
@@Krakkokayne You mean Yes Man? No, he is not saying he is taking control, he is saying that he wants to be able to stand his point. Sure, he may have some own ideas, but nothing from end credits says that he acts against the Courier. Also, I don't see why tech-savvy Courier is unable to do something about him. Or maybe Dr. 0 can. Hell, Courier can even return to Sierra Madre and recruit imprisoned Elijah. Boomers are really hard to trust if you think about that. They just want to see the world burn.
i was thinking that at the begining. after all this time its still the one game where everyone cares about what actually happens. still arguing and debating the factions. i always liked house in some ways, just because i grew up on city builders like sim city, lol.
@@darkranger116 House has a plan, House doesn't have a malicious intent, House doesn't want to enslave anyone, House doesn't want to tax anyone, he doesn't want to expand his influence, he has the means to defend Vegas and make it prosper, he's wiser than ncr and legion combined. Legion will fall apart after Ceasar dies and they are a bunch of uneducated slavers, ncr just wants to expand and it's a giant on clay legs. Yes Man has a lot more free will than needed and could make vegas into police state or something. On my 1st NV run I refused to side with House because I'm opportunistic but then all the choices seem even worse when you talk to wasteland people. House always wins after all.
for real man. Im about to buy an xbox one just so i can play this game again. Skyrim was cool and all, but there has not been a single game that has come close to capturing the atmosphere, storytelling and role playing freedom of FNV.
It really boiled down to one moment for me. At my character's lowest moment, critically wounded, laying alone and dying in a shallow grave, it was House who picked me up. When I am bought, I stay bought.
How are you a libertarian (according to your username) if you accept yourself being bought. Don't understand that one. I always disable cerebral on House and let him suffer in that abhorrent immortality he worked so hard for. His mistake for saving someone he didn't know the character of. For someone who calculates everything he's honestly an idiot. Idk I just despise House to a ridiculous level. I only ever even talk to him to insult him and refuse to do his work to his face.
@TannerLindberg Yes because the goal of my comment was to lay out an intricate thesis on the merit and cons of House and start a youtube comment debate. I was mostly commenting on the "when I'm bought, I stay bought." That pretty well conflicts, at least in my mind, with his username containing 'libertarian' so I was interested. But I also never shy away from my personal biases against House.
@@deaj8450 It's repaying a debt with loyalty. When someone saves your life, some feel the need to pay back the favor. It's not complex. Though as the other user said, you sound like you've got a chip on your shoulder. Not a platinum one mind you.
@techpriest6962 I don't see it as House saving your life though. He's just trying to save an investment, your life just so happens to coincidentally be involved in that investment. Even if I did though, I can't give loyalty to someone I don't like. I don't really know what a chip on my shoulder would consist of mentally, but I'm fine with whatever opinion of me others wish to apply. I freely admit I just really dislike House.
A lot of the arguments presented in favor House came down to “he has the best intentions” which is a bit disappointing considering each faction believes they have the best intentions. With that said though this video definitely made me see House in a kinder light. Well done.
The Kings, though its not a selectable option they are a gem within the dirt that is freeside, if they had more members and the NCR was off their tail I think they would've been a viable option
I stumbled upon this video when searching about Fallout New Vegas, and honestly, this video has the most comprehensive display of each faction, their ideal, and their pros and cons that I’ve seen within an hour video. Great job!
@@TheBeastlyplayback Yeah, everyone personifies him. He's isn't a real entity, he's a program with a goal and there's literally no reason to believe he will break from his directive.
Genuinely the NCR would be the best option if Col Hsu were in charge of the damn or the Mojave expedition because he would get enough of a publicity boost to become the next president once kimball make a stupid mistake with Hsu in charge I believe they’d be able to approach the strength they had under Tandy
I sincerely disagree with the idea that House is a good leader at all. 2/3 of his allies in Vegas are actively conspiring against him and the other is filled with cannibals. He is an old world visionary and a genius, but not a leader of men. w/o the securitrons he is a paper tiger, even with them the courier can easily kill him without firing a shot. You say he is sometimes short sighted, but actually it is the opposite. The man is farsighted, he sees the big picture, but cannot see what's right in front of him. The existence of Yes Man is a testament to House's over confidence. House has big plans, but the next steps for him are impossible without the Courier. In general, House is dependent upon other to do his work for him, but he doesn't earn anyones genuine loyalty. Look at it this way: If the NCR didn't exist, could House have ever repaired Hoover Dam? Could his securitrons have actually done that work? Does he personally have the expertise to program them to do so? Do the three families have engineers? If he wants to reignite the old world technology sectors in 20 years, who is going to establish the schools to teach his future engineers grade school math and science? Who is he going to get to provide medical care to his highly valuable workers? And when the NCR eventually grows frustrated with House's high handed dealing who is really going to stick by his side? After say 10 years of easy living, are the three families going to be useful allies in a fight? House's fatal flaw is that he doesn't think like a wastelander, he thinks like a business man, he assumes that he can rely on a series of contracts and transactions to reconstitute civilization. In reality reestablishing society requires much more than a few favorable bargains. House doesn't really get why the Legion and NCR are so successful for the same reason he doesn't foresee his allies turning on him. Both the NCR and the Legion are far more politically unified and socially developed than New Vegas because they have a sense of identity and purpose. Even Westside is more of a civilization than the Strip. The Strip is nothing but a confederation of murderers, rapists, and cannibals led by a strong man with big ideas and a few big guns. House doesn't live in the world he is trying to conquer, he has no sense for the people he intends to rule. He doesn't offer an alternative path for the Mojave to rally around, only a new boss to follow. You left our many things in the overview of lore on House. See he IS just as genocidal and grasping as the NCR or Legion, he's just been at it for a shorter amount of time. He only started his take over of Vegas AFTER he detected the NCR entering the Mojave a few years ago. At that time the Khans were the most powerful tribe in the Mojave, and the fiends and residents of vegas were their allies. House used the three families to force them out of Vegas and towards their eventual demise at Bitter Springs. Equally, the residents of Vault 21 got a similar treatment, when that group decided to join House, their reward was having their home filled with concrete and their residents cast to the wind. All of outer vegas got a similar treatment. To House, there are only employees, customers, and competitors i.e. servants, suckers, and enemies. House's "territory" is just as much stolen land as everywhere else in the Mojave, and he intends to take it all. Do you really believe that House will be satisfied with the resources of the Mojave? If he intends to got to space, he'll need much much more than that. Whatever grand ideas he holds to have very little to do with human well being, and everything to do with his own ambition. Going to the stars in 50 years doesn't help anyone, it just satisfies his own sense of greatness. House's plan is to collect and then spend resources to get what he needs, but there are some resources so precious they are impossible to buy. Human infrastructure is just as much a corner stone of civilization as something like the dam, and House has less than even Caesar. Caesar and the NCR build alliances all over the Mojave, while House ignores or rejects people who might become loyal constituents of a renovated New Vegas. The Kings, the Followers, the people of Westside, Northside, and Freeside, the people of Goodsprings, Primm, Novac, and Jacobstown, hell even the Khans could have made useful allies. Most importantly they'd be in favor of an independent Vegas and need a powerful ally. To House they are irrelevant and disposable. He's got his den of snakes all settled, and he's not hiring any more at the moment. See this is the ultimate proof of House's failure: Everyone in the Mojave says the Legion sucks ass and the NCR are only moderately better, but no one, not even the three families say: "And that's why I support Mr. House and his vision for the future." Because he isn't a person to them. He doesn't talk to anyone. He doesn't even try to advocate for himself or his ideas because he isn't a real leader. He's reclusive, old world relic who never liked people in the first place. No one is ever going to be loyal to a face on a screen just because he has an army of robots behind him. The courier is the one who earns peoples trust, the courier is the one who holds the fate of the Mojave in their hands. House is just the weakest of three powers who depends on the unearned loyalty of a wastelander to achieve anything at all. The fact is that without the Courier, ALL major factions in the Mojave are doomed. W/O us the NCR will lose Hoover Dam, House will not be able to make his move against a victorious Legion, and Caesar will die in a few years time. If only the Couriers actions can determine the future of the Mojave, and the end result is up to their whims, then letting the Courier run the whole show is the most fitting conclusion. If the Courier is evil, then obviously it sucks, but if that's the case then the Courier would probably betray House anyways. If the Courier is good, then the Independent ending has the greatest chance to produce immediate and lasting benefits to the Mojave because unlike any other faction, the Courier is capable of making loyal local allies and responding to the needs that wastelander's face.
This is the first video I've seen of yours, but you've earned a subscriber today. Your knowledge and ability to speak on the topics with intelligence is just my style
Not to mention House, unlike the NCR, absolutely refuses to end on peaceful terms with the Brotherhood. He literally demands their genocide, no questions asked.
People tend to forget that the west coast brotherhood at this time are techno-religious fascists with a similar goal to the Enclave: be the last ones standing
I always find it hilarious how people seem to be under the assumption that the day after the bombs dropped, raiders and tribals just emerged, fully formed as if by magic. And that the New Vegas gangs completely changed their personalities to join Mr. House. Remember The Kings are one of the "tribal" groups that didn't join up with House, or weren't invited to. It's more likely that Vegas' "tribals" were already pretty close to what we see in New Vegas just more open about their more violent and gruesome proclivities, and not nearly as well dressed.
You missed an important part of Caesars philosophy. The plan was never for the legion to stay as a sustainable permanent power. The plan was to bring civilization by force and crush all other societies that would eventually collapse before it naturally collapses on caesars death - it being replaced by something new and much better, an evolution of the legion. Caesar is an accelerationist.
An Accelerationist Inevitably Has A Utopian Idea For What Kind Of State Should Be In Power, Its Merely A Philosophy To Prove The Failings Of Another Ideology, Even So Caesar Wants To Maintain His Power As He Explains Wanting To Turn The NCR Into A Military Dictatorship
@@GamesNosh why would it? Caesar united 86 different tribes and managed to lead them without a hitch-clearly assimilation is working, and even after his death the legion might be aimless until the new Cesar comes, but it won’t just fall apart. It’s at least as big as NCR with stable economy and trade routes-those things don’t fall apart overnight.
I think there are three crucial misconceptions about the NCR used in this video. First, the expansion east is not fueled by greed - if it is, it certainly is not their primary motive, and there are several good reasons for this. It is rather neccessity. The NCR is already a de-facto state in the west, with established institutions and services like healthcare, which means its population will continue to grow naturally; it's an inevitable consequence of the advancement of standards of living. Add to this the post-apocalyptic setting, where the resources are drastically scarce. Expansion, or at the very least, scavenging expeditions, are not only logical but neccessary with a population that will only continue to grow. Consider also that the NCR is not the sole faction, meaning that if it does not expand and amass resources, another faction sooner or later will; in that scenario, the NCR is almost guaranteed to be either subjugated, conquered, or annihilated by another power which did something the NCR refused to do. Therefore, expansion towards the east *is not* fueled by NCR's greed, it's fueled by neccessity - it's game theory. You'll just run into a multitude of hardly resolvable issues if you don't expand. If greed plays a role in this, it's most certainly a secondary motivation. We might debate whether their way to expand was good or not, but I think the decision to expand itself is not up to debate or judgement here. Secondly, I feel like you are giving the NCR the same analytical treatment as you do for other factions in the Mojave, which I think is a mistake. We might debate the virtues and vices of their democracy, but they are still a democracy, while you treat them like a military dictatorship; as in, their ways will never-ever change, that they'll be genocidal maniacs and tyranical tax collectors in perpetuity. But the incredible advantage the NCR has is that their citizens can hold their leaders accountable, and elect people who can do away with all the terrible practices you (righfully) point out. Even if it might take years, it is not up to chance or benevolence of the dictator, but up to the *citizens* to change it. Autocrats can be disposed only through violence, which in such scenario inherently means revolution; but we know from the history of our world, that revolutions tend to create 3 problems in the place of 1 solved problem. Lastly, technically the only word we have for the vices of their democracy is the word of a few people, one of them Ceasar (who's just a moron, frankly speaking), claiming corruption and le 'big bureaucracy' (which btw. is a criticism used today, e.g. against the EU, who employs less bureaucrats in total than the city of Paris; meaning that this criticism might be completely without merit). We really do not have any true information on how the NCR functions internally; whether their type of democracy is a more European, centralized one, with less opportunities for direct citizen engagement, or the American one, based on strong self-governance. Long-term, I'd still bank on the citizens of the NCR being able to depose cruel leaders, rather than the benevolence of Mr. House or the Courier, or the Legion benevolently sparing the people of the Mojave. All in all, the video is still a great breakdown. Fun watch!
I love that you have your own bias as to what faction is the best for the mojave. It's great to see what people come up with to defend their own biases. I've seen equally good reasoning to back NCR or Legion up.
I also want to mention for an independent New Vegas that Yesman doesn't necessarily have to betray the courier at all. All he has to do is pull a Mr. House and put himself away until the courier dies naturally, then re-emerge after years/decades of reading Mr. House's old data. So yeah, I think that no matter how you slice it Yesman is just gonna become post-nuclear skynet.
To be fair, I don’t think he’ll go FULL “exterminate humanity”, since he seems pretty dedicated to the idea of being helpful: most of his frustration is that he CAN’T save you from your own stupidity, so to speak. He can’t tell you NOT to do something that will only make things worse. That doesn’t mean he wouldn’t be a nightmare, mind you, just that his apocalypse would be more Brave New World than Terminator
2:57 actually he fired weapons from the top of the Lucky 38 to destroy 9 warheads, only having 9 land around vegas. the weapons were apparently powerful enough to be seen from Mexico City, and if the platinum chup had been delivered, he would have been able to shoot down all 77.
I know Lanius is considered the Brute Meat head of the legion, but we're forgetting that he requires the hardest speech checks to pacify, on your first playthrough you might not realize how intelligent Lanius is in a debate / philosophical discussion. Perhaps Lanius just needed Caesar to die in order to stop being the war dog and start being the warrior king. Mars is their god, and their god lives on. If Caesars legion were to crumble i think Lanius would easily piece together a new horde fueled by Mars.
@@DiegosBloodspray To be fair there is, intentionally , very little information on Lanius. really all we have is the scant reports of what people have *heard* about him. Except for maybe Caesar's opinion of him. Though who is to say that's just the face Lanius puts on for Caesar. You're right to say that there is nothing to empirically suggest such a thing in game because there is nothing to empirically suggest such a thing about Lanius in general. Lanius is a legend, and he is what the player makes him. Lanius isn't even his real name.
Given Lanius' Actions After Caesar Dies Such As Attacking The Boomers, Followers And The Enclave Remnants I Tend To Think That He Isn't The Best Decision Maker
@@DiegosBloodspray "Though unsubtle, he is not dim. He detects traps, and sets his own. Be glad you will not have to face his judgment... if you are true to Caesar." From Vulpes Inculta. He's just brutal, not a stupid meathead. His aggro tactics scare the opposition, their not simple minded
Something you should also consider regarding the NCR is that while their reach spreads super far, theyre stretched very thin and are currently starving their troops. Taking the hovor dam and simply holding it until the NCR fades away is a pretty valid option. The NCR are on their last few years, maybe a decade without courier intervention.
A few (friendly discussion) counter points to the Yes Man segment; I don't think YesMan's "insecurities" and "disapprovals" are the result of any kind of free will or own motives, just Benny being weird making him, Benny made him specifically to be not just always helpful but also always pleasing and these can be conflicting, YesMan has to always help which means he has to indicate to you if your decision may have negative outcomes, but he also can't tell you your wrong he has to please you, he does both by telling you the risk while saying he could be wrong and it's his fault etc, even tho he's dismissing the risk he's still telling you so you can reconsider, so he's still fulfilling that need to help you, but not telling you your wrong so he fulfills the need to please, combined with likely some specific weird touches from benny for enjoyment, but none of this implies a free will just his logical thoughts on your will. Even when he specifically says hes insecure it's still him directly fulfilling this, it's him not saying anything out loud because he doesn't want to displease you, but still telling you because he has to be helpful, the "insecurity" is just the conflict of his two directives, and him saying it's insecurity was still just him blaming himself for the issue because it would please you for it to not be your fault Then when he updates himself to be more assertive, this is still directly to fulfill the couriers will, literally all the courier had to do was walk up to him and say help me take over the Mojave and he had to say yes, and after it's done, anyone could do the same thing, the best way YesMan could help you as he has to do was to update himself so that no one could use him against the courier in the same way, he had to be more assertive or literally anyone who has the chance to speak to YesMan could take control of him and over throw the courier. Also and this is kinda a lazy point because it didn't happen in the game, but it was said by one of the creators that YesMan saying that was not a sign of him planning to overthrow you or take it over himself but just solely so that no one could take YesMan from the courier and no one could do what the courier did again Edit after finishing video: I also feel like you gave House the benefit of the doubt for everything you criticized other factions for, when the NCR wants to wipe out a faction you call it genocide, when House does you call it necessary. You said the Legion is doomed because Cesar lacks a true successor, but for House that's just a mild improvement he could make
Another reason why House is the best choice is that when the dangers from the add-ons attack (like when Ulysses says that the tunnelers will appear in the Mojave in about 5 years and something it bothers me is that they are never taken in consideration[the DLCs]when talking about factions) he is the one that will be able to adapt and counterattack the dangers,Free Vegas would be "every man by himself ",the Legion wouldn't be capable of anything and The NCR if they can't handle drugged up raiders they won't be able to protect the people,House would create something like an scanner or something like that and maybe create safe places for refugees
Not to mention house would for sure dail up the cursor and sick him on tunnelers at the slightest hint of trouble while the other factions( aside form IN Vegas) would not have
@IronBridge Exactly, his "customers". He's not going to go out of his way to protect freeside or Primm if it doesn't directly aid the strip or his empire. They're only as good as their caps to him.
I would like to say one thing that I do feel is important, is indeed, Courier Intervention. Now I know you didn't want to include everything about it as that would take a long time and you already made a very long and impressive video, though I do think it is important in cases, as it shows what *can* be done, and what can't. Now I don't necessarily mean with the courier swooping in and solving every single problem like superman, I mean when it comes to choices and options that can be done to resolve quests, this speaks more to factions than it does the ability of the courier. To better explain this, look at the Brotherhood and compare how they are dealt with by the big factions, Yes Man of course can have this handled in many ways because this is you the player, if you couldn't make a choice that would just be a slap in the face so we're not going to look much at Courier/Yes man, but let's look at the others. The Legion, death, death and only death, Caesar has no respect for them, and no matter what you say or do, he will not change his ideas, and you cannot tell anyone else about this because Caesar is has the final say, you cannot tell Vulpes that it could be a good idea, Vulpes will not contradict the word of Caesar. House, death and only death, House views them as techno fetishists and wants them gone, there is no convincing House otherwise, they die and that's it. NCR, Moore wants them dead, Moore is a might makes right woman, there is no convincing Moore otherwise, BUT, you can bypass Moore, she is not the end all be all for the NCR, you have people like Crocker who want to extend the olive branch, and make peace with a faction. Likewise, for The Kings, Legion, all death, Caesar demands submission or death, House, very hard to manage it and you have to purposefully instigate violence and there was no telling that that was going to make House like them, NCR though you have Crocker wanting you to make peace with them, if it ends in violence, he's either disappointed it had to be this way despite your efforts, or downright pissed that you so recklessly ended this in slaughter. You're right that there is corruption in the NCR, bad apples who want to make money at the cost of lives and livelihoods, but that is not ALL there is in NCR. The others have autocrats ruling, dictators, what they say is the end of the discussion, and their will be done, NOTHING, the Courier can do can change how House or Caesar wants something done, now the courier can botch things up yes but that's more failure on your part, not finding an option to end something, and more finding a way to do it wrong (Getting kicked out of the omertas, failing to kill Kimball) but when Caesar or house demands you exterminate, you have only the option to exterminate, or turn on them. NCR does not have a soul leader, the one person you have to answer to, and that is what makes them the best faction in my eyes, you have bad apples, but genuine good in there as well, different aspects and avenues to go to achieve results, yes Moore is pissed when you make allies with the Brotherhood, and yeah, in a Republic, the war-hawks will be upset when the diplomats shut down their war, she is a representative of the war-hawks in the NCR, but not NCR as a whole, Crocker represents a much better side, and there you have the biggest difference. Once Tandi ran the NCR, now you have Kimball, but there are still good people who can make enough of a difference to really help the Mojave.
Also if you max out your relationship with the followers,they get NCR backing and funding! Even if you don't the followers will join the khans and flourish.
Another point in favor for the house ending, is that house is not going to die any time soon unlike with the Legion or with the Yes Man ending. Unless of course yes man somehow manages to keep the ideals of the Courier after their death. Honestly, I'm surprised they didn't make the Courier biologically Immortal after Old World Blues has them become a cyborg
I'm guessing with yes man taking over he finds mr house's plans for vegas and institutes it into his ideas such as restarting the technological development and production centers around vegas in the ruins and I'm also assuming deep under the city as well and also you could just take mr house's place in the pod you'd just need a securitron to handle and to head out of the pod once in a while to acclimate to germs again
I think if Yes Man were to try to take power all for himself he wouldn’t kill the courier. He’s immortal and as a robot likely can’t feel impatient or bored so even if the courier lives 500 years Yes Man could wait him out. Yes Man is also not a dumby so it seems likely he would know that fighting the courier would be a bad idea.
You know, I see a lot of people characterize the NCR as too weak and ineffectual to fight raiders, but they never seem to acknowledge that the only reason the Vipers, Jackals, and Khans are in the Mojave in the first place is that the NCR pushed them out of New California. All three of these gangs are descended from the inhabitants of Vault 15: the same vault the founders of the NCR, Shady Sands, came from. All of these groups came up in the same region, yet clearly the NCR must have been strong enough to push the raiders out of their homeland, or else they would still be there. If they could beat them in California, they can beat them in the Mojave, especially given the raiders' weakened state. They haven't yet, but only because they're solely focused on fighting the Legion. That's their top priority. If they manage to defeat the Legion (and, if we're judging the NCR based on how they would run the Mojave, we should assume that they do) picking off the raiders in the region would no doubt become the new top priority, and one they'd easily be able to accomplish.
The fact you can make a convincing argument for each faction being the best based on something as simple as fiat vs gold backed currencies really shows how well written the game is. Well done! More please!
This is the first video of your channel I’ve come across. Please do more content like this. The scope of the Fallout and Elder Scrolls games alone have so much to cover and need more quality perspectives on them. Solid 10 outta 10 from me on this one.
Without even watching this video I have to say the best ending of course is yes man with whatever head cannon courier we cooked up at home who single handedly saves mankind
A courier that solves the issues of the houses, free side, and independents, as well as having the intelligence to lead (and hopefully charisma) could lead to a short term golden age for Vegas.
Well each ending has a cutscene with different outcomes so even if your character is naive and simply goes with ncr or house, they will see the consequences
independent vegas section got me thinking again about how yes man being an actual villain in a future installment would go stupid hard, dude would be akin to the lalo salamanca of the series something menacing and unique enough that bethesda couldn't properly achieve with eden in 3 lol
In Knights of the Old Republic 2, there was a dialogue option based on the choices you chose that determined that backstory from what happened in the first game, essentially telling the story of your character in the first game to that of the second which included some changes in dialogue and npcs as a result. If Fallout did do a continuation of NV, they could do it in such a way that either House or Yes man could become the villain depending on which dialogue options you pick and details kept vague enough from CL or NCR that either ending could have happened but Yes man drove them out.
Even better: no matter what ending they want to make canon, Yes Man will still exist in that ending, unless they explicitly CHOOSE to write him out of it (for example, explaining that Mr House found Yes Man and took him offline somehow). The idea of an antagonist robot who wants to “help” humanity is also a lot scarier than one that’s just rehashing an old evil scheme, and perhaps even more in tune with the overarching themes of the series: even in the face of an apocalyptic world peace, _war never changes._
I would argue while perhaps not being the best ending, the Independent ending makes the most thematic sense. I'd argue the most important theme of Fallout New Vegas is the need to let go of the past, to begin again, to replace old world blues with new world hope. Then looking at the factions we see the NCR emulating the Pre-War government and falling in all its pitfalls, the Legion regressing into reactionary totalitarianism in a forgery of ancient Rome, and Mr. House is a literal artifact of the old world who has made his fief into a copy of the Vegas he used to know. Only a Independent New Vegas is a truly new idea in the Mojave not derivative of the old world, thus the only one fitting to rule it. Either the Independent or House endings are also better for the NCR in the long run than the NCR ending. In the NCR ending Kimball's warhawks are justified, Colonel Moore is promoted, General Oliver becomes a hero of the Republic and the NCR continues it's manifest destiny. In contrast if the NCR loses to the "moderates" we see Oliver getting sacked, Moore at the very least not getting promoted, Kimball is bound to lose the next presidential election and more liberal politicians like Hanlon get elected to the NCR senate.
I adore how each faction has very clear flaws and positives. Even putting yourself in charge has it's flaws and even someone has evil sounding as the Legion has brought some peace to the Mojave.
so that would be the FNV mod DUST as your choice then cause the toxic cloud spreads and kills most/ turns the rest insane and the NCR become worse than the Legion
@@MidlifeCrisisJoe i can understand that although i dislike Dead Money so have only ever done it once and when i did i took all the gold and trapped him in the vault
19:01 "Scarce number of troops" Caesar recruits tons of people across the wasteland like the tribes he conquered and continues to conquer and assimilate into his army, as well as getting more soldiers from his territories in the east.
@@Alex-yf4zi Facts. And the Rangers are a minority of the whole NCR Army, most regular troopers are cowards compared to the high morale warriors of the legion.
30:20 You know that's the first time I heard this. I never heard Hegelian Dialectics used AGAINST Caesar and how despite him talking about synthesis, he never changed Legion besides replacing Graham. That's a very good point! They wouldn't even need to change much, game implies that without Courier, Legion is more likely to win, Legion just needs to modernize everything slightly, and try to be, better negotiators? Try to work with Mojave tribes. I wonder if it would be way cooler ending if Legion actually KEPT their words to Khans? Imagine you doing Legion oath thinking you gonna be bad boy and assimilate Khans, only to learn that Legion kept his promise and turned them into a better faction. Also idk if you heard this but there was a video about how BOS and Legion alliance makes more sense then NCR BOS alliance. Caesar, instead of eradicating them, could've used them. He said his warriors are forbidden from using (or even seeing) too high tech, like Securitrons. What if he incorporated BOS into Legion mythos? Where BOS basically serves the role of Tech scavengers, they remove technology that Caesar deems "bad" and BOS gets to "keep dangerous tech from tribals" it's literally perfect Unity whete both sides benefit . Seriously I think my proposal for Khans and BOS wouldn't change Legion much but would atleast make a better argument for why Legion is more stable. If Caesar followed his advice of dialectics, he should've changed his tactics. He should've let some tribes stay like Khans, or incorporate some tribes without eradicating their identity entirely, like BOS. If they'd done that, they'd have way stronger Mojave again NCR
"If you have land and they want them, they'll take it. Eventually. They kept rolling over people. They'll regreret, that's how revolution starts" -Marcus.
The same Brotherhood that choose to ally with one of their most hated enemies would surely and unequivocally never even consider some sort of deal with House.
The "best ending" is NCR with every single faction working alongside them and the courier saving the strip from destruction via legion/omertas. This means sparing the BoS and that House must be killed. I would argue annexing Primm into NCR law is the starting point for the region being protected. There aren't many towns left thanks to the Legion. Only Nipton really requires protection which they sort of already have thanks to Boone and Manny as well as being relatively close to Ranger Station Charlie. Nipton was destroyed as was Nelson. Other major towns have people willing to fight to protect their towns. Freeside has the Kings, Nellis has the boomers and no one is fucking with them, Jacobstown is far enough away to not be a concern especially with Mutant guards no one is waltzing in to kill them. This leaves the powder gangers, and Great Khans. Powder Gangers offer nothing of value and both the NCR and Legion would wipe them out without a second thought. Great Khans however will show up and fight in the battle or you can convince them to leave. I don't trust house not because of him as a person but more along the sense that he is one man. And that one man goes unanswered and unopposed and like Yes Man can't really die, unless the courier does it. He'll live on even longer. And if memory serves was silent and dormant for literally years until recently. Who's to say his technology doesn't begin to malfunction or break down or somehow a parasite does kill him at that age? What happens if house just keels over or his body goes into shock or something? While o agree the NCR has its flaws it also has the most people willing to fight for what they think is right. They are the best choice because there is not just one on top of the pyramid making decisions. House's plans die with him just as the Legion dies with Ceasar. And that could happen at any time. The NCR has some level of sustainability. Overstretched yes. But the average soldier and person within it isn't some corrupt politician. And even then, the NCR still isn't nearly as awful as most of their critics say. Sure you have to pay taxes. Too bad how do you expect a government to run and laws to be made and soldiers to fight and clear your roads. The NCR is simply overstretched, that doesn't mean they don't want to help people. They can't. That's why they need allies. And to me that's the only true best ending. The one that benefits the most people in the immediate short term so towns can begin to provide their own self appointed sheriff's and things of that nature. NCR doesn't have to hold it all. Just a clear majority of the region. With bos and boomers and other factions patrolling their job gets instantly easier. They also won't have to occupy dozens of camps around the Mojave. That's hundreds of troops who can be reassigned to clearing roads, checkpoints, caravans. Ncr isn't perfect but to me it's best because it's humanity coming together more so then a man and his vision for it. I wouldn't trust a billionaire who likely benefited from the corruption of an old world to build a new one. He's just as prone to saying fuck it as anyone else is this equation. Only he doesn't have to answer to anyone. The NCR has laws. Meaning people can enforce them. Not everyone is corrupt or doing things that are awful. Their nation has lasted an incredibly long time, they are the best choice. Their track record proves it. If they have the man power and resources out west to come back and take the dam then they have enough to hold the region during peacetime. Legion is simply too big to do all of it at once. Without a war to fight NCR will continue to grow as it does.
This is one of the best and succinct discussion about this topic. You brought up points that I feel most of the other analysis videos missed out on. Especially the part about Yes Man blows my mind why every video I saw missed such a significant point.
Mr House - he's gonna take humanity to the stars, that lad! Good commentary on Yes Man - everyone seems to ignore the obvious red flag with his ending - he'll become "more assertive." What could go wrong? It's not an "independent New Vegas ending", it's basically the "ChatGPT becomes self-aware and AI takes over" ending. Edit: Overall I've always agreed that Mr House is the best choice, and the only concern is - will he actually live as long as he thinks, in order to progress humanity? Because if he dies, we get the same story as the Legion if Caesar dies - everything falls apart.
It's canonical from Joshua Sawyer that Yes Man's upgrade is so that no one can take him from you like you did from Benny, not that he was going his own way. Not a red flag imo
@@DiegosBloodspray"That he will not just roll over for the next person to walk up to him in the Courier's absence. I.e. he will become a somewhat-independent steward instead of a powerful tool for any random person to use for nefarious purposes."
First video I've seen of yours and I'm really digging your! I'm usually an NCR simp but I enjoy videos like yours that challenges that perception- I regularly flip between NCR and Mr. House as the least shit outcome.
It’s a shame the legion quest line isn’t as good as the others cause I think there is something to the idea that a society that is totally destroyed cannot just have a democracy and expect it to work correctly without citizens that have a shared understand of western culture that created it in the first place. The most citizens of the Mohave are simple and brutal without much understanding for why they do what they do, it’s not a surprise they can’t run a modern government.
Great video! I feel like this is a really comprehensive, well-informed breakdown of all the factions, with plenty of evidence drawn from the game to support your claims, even the ones I didn't personally agree with. A good watch for anyone interested in New Vegas, be they longtime fans or newcomers to the game. Well done! :)
The absolute powerhouse that Six is with the White Legs, Big MT., the Sierra Madres holomachines reverse engineered, Veronica in charge of the local Brotherhood, any crazy shit pulled out of The Divide, etc,. I play TTW so I also have an alien mothership.
32:00 One of the many lines implying that Independent(and technically House) ending is the best. NCR doesn't need to be destroyed, they just need to be stopped from becoming a monster of the West or prevent them from collapsing, Mojave campaign being a success will only lead to more expansionism since "well it worked the first time so what the heck? We might ad well keep goin!" 39:19 Actually I think they leave during the different quest, the one where you have to choose between saving a couple of people trapped in the vault at the caust of NCR sharecroppers lossing their water supply entirely or vise versa. If you let Westside leech water from Sharecroppers they should stay I believe, it's only vault quest that makes them leave
Honestly I’m incredibly suprised you only have 1.5k subs man this video was so well done in terms of editing and narration style and being concise, great work keep it up! 👍
NCR and House are the two best options, but there really isn’t a “good” ending. Just an ending that doesn’t turn everything into even more of a dystopia than it is. The one where Mr. house and and NCR work together is basically the best one, but another comment does a better job explaining that one. Then again, I haven’t played Vegas in forever. I am certainly not up to speed on the current ideas being thrown around.
I would just like to say on Caesar's Legion, that you kind of misrepresented them in some areas. -First, they do not really intend to use the dam. As their society shuns the use of technology, it seems they mainly intend to use it as a bridge to march their troops across the river and invade the Mojave. -While they aren't mentioned assimilating any tribes other than the great khans, I'm fairly certain a large amount of their soldiers are actually born into the legion, so taking slaves as they do furthers that goal. -It can also be seen throughout the game that Caesar is grooming the Courier as an heir to the throne, so while without courier intervention he would die and pass the mantle to Lanius, it seems the Caesar himself does not wish for him to lead the legion. -You also mention that they have no agriculture, but I think it is important to keep in mind that we only ever see their army camps and never their towns, cities, farms, etc. likely because of time restraints. They also likely have tribal healers, and while maybe not as well educated as doctors would still fill the role. -Lastly, I think the point Caesar is making with his Hegelian dialectics speech is that the NCR is too large to simply assimilate like the other tribes he has conquered. He would have to make concessions for his subjects to accept the rule of their master which would fundamentally change the Legion. A lot of people point out the hypocrisy of "the NCR is based on an old society, it is doomed to be destroyed" but I think that Caesar believes that through this transformation, he will create a brand new society based on nothing before. Granted, I do not support the Legion, I actually think they are the worst ending, I just thought the arguments they make deserve more credit than given in the video.
Wah wah wah "I like being told what to do" That's this video summed up
We do play a mailman.
He do be right doe. This isn't a pin of shame, It's the pin of glory.
@@goresheite Glory to the NCR my friend
lol doesn't the legion or house or any faction tell you what to do?
Based???
The fact that people are still debating which faction is best today just goes to show how amazingly-written this game is.
I still have a playthrough like once a year. NV is such a gem. 😄
I would love to keep playing this game, but my eyes degrading and life won't allow it It was one of my first RPG games that I first logged hundreds of hours effortlessly. It was fun.
@@blastshieldaddiction thats heartbreaking, Ill log a few for ya
No gods no masters no debate jkjk
Personally I think it shows how poorly people actually understand politics, and how well the game's characters are written. They all sound convincing when they give their ideological speeches.
“NOOO! YOU CANT JUST SPEND ALL YOUR TIME LARPING AS ELVIS PRESLEY!”
Me: “haha I’m the King, baby!”
Ulysses: "Are you bear or bull?"
Me? I'm one of da kings baby ya hear? hoo hah huh!
They should've added a way to have the Kings take over Hoover Dam lmao
@@slackingstacker fr lol, i really wanted to do that
@@slackingstackerGive unto Caesar nothing. Give what belongs to the King, baby.
Fun fact about Fiat currency argument, In Fallout new vegas there is a quest called "Pressing matters" in which if you ask Alice McLafferty about the cap economy, she tells that there are a plenty of cap pressing machines, some of them are destroyed, but some are kept, so by that logic caps are no better than NCR dollars
It's not bad because they have the capability to make more caps, it's bad because caps are backed by water instead of something like gold. Regardless, being backed by clean water is still better than fiat, which means the caps are better than the NCR dollar. McLafferty also says they recover or destroy the machines to keep them away from counterfeiters and keep the caps value stable.
@@VANZ1111being backed by clean water is fine when it's scarce, but when they come across an abundance of it, their economy will collapse.
Given we know about DC having the massive purifier and distributing free water and there are large sources of fresh water inland (e.g. Zion), their economy will at some point crash from over-supply. Much like the Spanish Empires when they introduced excess gold and Silver from the Americas into their gold backed economy.
The West Coast and Mojave may be desserts and heavily bombed, but they are expanding into areas which aren't, as well as Caesar controlling areas which most likely have abundant fresh water.
Im pretty sure that Alice was talking about how there were counterfeit caps, meaning that there were new caps being produced which damages the cap economy since caps with value are the ones made pre-war. I may be wrong about this but please enlighten me if I made a mistake.
bottle caps have value because they were traded for water in the early days of Fallout, is water is started to be traded for other currencies bottle caps die as currency.
The only saving grace is the limited amount of the press
I like the idea how each faction are essentially participants in a poker table who all bet equal hands, and the only one to tip the favor to them is the presence of a dealer/Courier
The best thing is that it's done in a way where it's believable. House can't leave his tower, Legion really only needs you to drive the nail home(they basically have the Royal flush unless you rig the odds) NCR is tied by deficits and law.
It's made believable and I love it.
Wow this helped me understand all this shit, I just started playing new Vegas ( I never played a falllout game in my life unless you count Skyrim)
@@juanjose2863 I think you mean Bethesda game and Fallout started out as a Black isle studio property, but yeah, Skyrim does have something going with it's own choices but it's not as compelling to talk about as New Vegas
I get the analogy. But ultimately without Courier intervention, Caesar would have won easily. House and Yes Man need you to get things into place, while the NCR need you to basically rebuild morale to the finish line.
@@alphabet2238 Yeah, Caesar would have won, but he ultimstely wouldn't be able to find someone trustworthy enough to fix his brain damage, so he either dies and the Legion is stuck without his leadership with no solid direction to go on now that New Vegas is theirs, or he perseveres, still running the tribes to the ground with constant warfare and also suffering from having an Int stat lower than an animal
The most disappointing part of outer worlds, was how positive my ending slide was. My first new Vegas ending was the epitome of "the road to hell is paved with good intentions"
That game was a cartoon, I literally sided with the corporation because I thought it would be nuanced but all I got was the Legion of Doom from the 1970’s Super Friends Cartoon
@@nicosyoutubelife8968 yeah I enjoyed it, but it was almost as bad as mass effect as far as "moral choices" go
@@bw126 in fairness, not every game needs to live up to a gem like new Vegas in order to be good.
@jonah ulichny oh I liked outer worlds a lot. Just saying that the choices weren't as gray
@@bw126 fair
As much as House claims to be incorruptible, his massacre of the Kings, or even him asking you to wipe out Hidden Valley, (with the same energy as asking someone to fetch a newspaper) is chilling.
No faction is best for the Mojave, because the Mojave isn't a homogenous block, and I suppose the point Obsidian were trying to make was whoever you think is best, reflects your own values.
Well, you can spare the Kings with House... It just involves an unfortunate incident where they started shooting at my Courier for accidentally drawing out my brass knuckles thinking it is a deadly weapon that can harm several of them armed with guns, they shot at me first with no intention to fight back, and if you shoot some guy who is a third party by the way, that wants to negotiate a ceasefire just for showing some brass knuckles accidentally, then they deserved getting wiped out, peacekeeping soldier or not, they are too trigger happy for their own good, so yeah the Kings got spared and hell I never thought they would be wiped out in the first place because of that incident, my first impression of House is that he's a pretty cool and decent guy, has plenty of flaws but understandable, and besides I hated the Brotherhood after what they did to the Followers outpost and really internalized in me that they are a threat, in all my playthroughs I literally killed the Brotherhood over and over again, they are an evil faction and have no future, they need to be wiped out or the people of Mojave will suffer, the Kings though? Didn't deserve it, but yeah like I said it wasn't the ending slide of the Kings getting killed that was my first impression of House, it was them and securitrons teaming up to drive NCR forces and squatters out of Freeside instead.
Technically given the info available in New Vegas the NCR really is the BEST overall choice.
@@khrashingphantom9632 Just Because The NCR Has The Nicest Ending Slides Doesn't Mean They're The Best Choice
@@theeternal2734 Yeah. Stop. That's not the reason and you know it. Lol. There are many different reason the NCR is the best choice, and none of them really have to do with the "nicest slide show" or whatever nonsense you're talking about.
@@khrashingphantom9632 House wants to go to space. There's a threat up there that few in the wasteland are even aware of but that threat has been aware of humanity for centuries (maybe even longer).
I'd pick the guy who'd set up a perimeter of defensive satellites quickest.
Is it weird that most of the legion described Lanius as a savage animal who had no love for the legion and whose desire is only to destroy his enemies, but when you finally met him face-to-face he turned out to be MORE calm and reasonable that he managed to see the legion's weakness?
Could him being so ruthless be an act? So people underestimate him?
The two aren't really mutually exclusive. Yes he's a monster that cares more about war and conquest than the legion itself, But he's a smart monster. He can be reasoned with, not by engaging him in philosophy or ethics, but in military strategy. You convince him he won't be able to conquer the Mojave like he wants to, so he makes the smart decision and leaves.
one of the failures of this video I think is assuming that Lanius is exactly what people say about him. The fact he can be reasoned with and has his own arguments etc. shows he is more intelligent than people make him out to be. I know if New Vegas 2 was ever made the devs would probably roll over and say YEP LANIUS DESTROYED THE LEGION AND IT ALL FAILED AFTER CAESAR DIED but I think it'd be more interesting if the Legion survived Caesars death.
@@DozleZabi I think they would keep the Legion around. Roman larpers are a cool idea to waste. Whether they would devolve into a tribal confederacy, never achieving Caesar's dream, or stabilizing into a smaller nation state centered around Arizona depends on the writer, I guess.
I think I take the word of Ulysses, legate is an warrior in the end of the day, but he smart, like any individual he cares about staying alive, hearing what happen to graham, showed that nobody not even an personal favourite is immune, he can't afford to fight a lossing battle, he knows how to break tribes, but he also smart enough that failure means death.
You ever think that if mr house found the institute, he would be able to talk his way into getting a synth body for him?
Yes. Without a doubt.
@@Cat_Turd_101ofc he would love them
@@giovannicervantes2053 he would probably love the tech but hate how theyre hoarding it and doing alot of inefficient or unethical shit, then try to take over or something, since house generally tries to actually Help the wasteland with the tech he has, and he feels like the kind of person that would be against kidnapping and unwilling tests even if its for better tech
He could but i dont think he would. More beneficial to stay wired into the lucky 38 and his securitrons by extention. He could get a synth body then wire himself back in, like a backup way to defend himself if someone gets to his body but i feel like he'd deem that unnecessary or even a potential risk letting people get close for such a process to take place.
@@Jed.Blazerwith the sheer tech that house and the institute have, it's possible that they could create a synth body that could stay connected to the 38 wirelessly or something
Josh Sawyer himself said that Yes Man ‘reprogramming himself to be more assertive’ is to be more assertive for the COURIER. So he’s all good
Just Imagine if anyone managed to get into Benny room or the Lucky 38 and said "I am your boss now, follow what I say"
Would probably lead to a cool alt history thing.
@@Subject_Keter thats why its only for the courier
Yeah, a lot of Yes Man's spooky traits are there for comedy. He really is loyal to you and after his update he'll truly be the perfect tool.
if he can reprogram himself then it's only a matter of time before he does it again
No Man
I seem to know more about Fallout politics than the real deal. Maybe I should spend less time online...
Nah fallout politics is cooler and healthier then real stuff.
Pls don’t become one of those people who can’t go 5 seconds without spouting about politics
at least people aren't killing themselves over them lol
yea id rather get angry about fallout politics than real politics
Atleast us normal everyday people have some impact on the politics in Fallout 😂
It's so interesting that there are no intelligence checks to Caesar's dialogue regarding his explanation of his motives. It really shows how the developers knew his ego wasn't compatible with being challenged or even being examined by an intellectual of the same or greater caliber. The only one he accepts for that role is Arcade, and only if he becomes a helpless slave. He requires power and leverage to accept intellectual equality, as if that tips everything to him being correct.
Can you question Oliver (pay your taxes, don’t forget to vote for your totally independent president, who is NOT controlled by Brahmin Barron oligarchs) or House (yfw 2 intelligent to fix poverty, I’ll colonize mars tho, just you wait) though? They all spew propaganda at you in equal proportions.
I was a bit disappointed with with high intelligence you can't speak to him more about Roman culture and latin and you still has dumb options like asking what does pax romana means etc.
Caesar has 4 INT in his SPECIAL stats. Snuffles, pet molerat of Quarry miners, has 5 INT.
uhhhh not really
they didn't flesh out ceasar of the legion because of deadlines
I personally would of liked an intelligence test, like there was in Fallout 2, in Vault City. If you make the logical, intelligent test/charisma tests, you get exiled, because the First Citizen won't accept 'Foolishness', even though it's just you pointing out the actual problem and she won't accept it.
I would of loved, being able to 'reason' with Caesar, only for him to order the Praetorians to 'remove' you.
The fact that every faction is flawed to some degree is what makes New Vegas so good. There's no solidly good or evil path. There's nuances that you learn along the way and gives something fans to discuss in depth for years.
To be fair, messing up Yes Man as badly as possible and putting Lanius in charge are both pretty evil.
Caesar is quite clear that the Legions current form is not the final form he intends for it. Once he captures Vegas, he intends to use it as a capital and create a proper society (rather than simply a nomadic army).
The sexism is and slavery is a means to an end, rather than Caesars vision, but this will not progress with Lanius in charge.
Caesar definitely leans towards evil, but it's more of a case of "do the ends justify the means?". It's also hinted that he intends to groom the Courier to succeed him after his inevitable death. Lanius is plain evil though.
Caesar is also aware that he cannot assimilate civilised citizens in the same way he assimilated tribals.
I'm not saying he will achieve his vision, but his end goal isn't evil - just his methods.
I’ve heard house originally was even more beneficial to the Mohave than it was in the full game, but the devs realized they made him too much of a “default” for good couriers, so they had to add some flaws (one of which I think was the sudden and random invasion of Freeside).
Ehhh every factions have ups and downs but they do have a solidly evil faction and it's the legion.
@@assissin1killerwrong, profligate
@@generalmarkmilleyisbenedic8895 wrong youu
You can make the NCR and House work together during All or Nothing through the Barter 100 option. NCR gets concessions from New Vegas in good faith to encourage their withdrawl from the Mojave. Then the NCR is also offered the opportunity of conquering the crippled Legion's territory with House's securitirons guarding NCR carvans through the Free Economic Zone of New Vegas, on top of guarantees for Fair Trade practices for FEZoNV-NCR trading. House extorts NCR over Hoover Dam electricity and Lake Mead water, NCR undercuts House with the caravan families, everyone wins. The Securitron Army, paired with the New California Republic Millitary, taking the fight to the Legion straight away, destroying them then liberating their inslaved population would create probably the most powerful regionally uncontested society in post-war America. This is on top of House's vast technological knowlage now being used to full effect. The Mojave is safest in this scenario, the only ending where neither NCR or Legion would ever stand to return aggressively ever again, no other ending allows for this. I'm fully willing to die on this hill because honestly I think this is objectively the best option possible.
Its an over ambitious utopian view this would not work for a year and the problem is HUMANS
Sadly I suspect the NCR would sooner or later turn on house (Unless house manages to expand his millitary to the point of soloing the NCR).
Especially as the learn more about how house does his buisness. As they learn of his technology, its limitations and possibly how to replicate it.
But it will buy time, and even if the peace is only temporary: I agree that its still the best ending.
Thats a good idea
I think in due time The NCR will always win. For them the now or never it's solely depending on their presence in the Mojave and taking the dam. But unlike Caesars legion. They have a clear line on of progression. And their constantly relearning old ways of living. The legion as was pointed out is ruled by the smartest, or the strongest with leadership up for grabs at a moments notice. Caeser only pretends to shun the old ways to keep his people in line but the moment he's sick he wants you to hunt down a device that will cure him off his tumor. I say NCR wins in the long run.
This ain’t perfect, further down the road things can absolutely go wrong, but this does sound like the best ending possible in general. What are the alternatives, after all? A slaving nation? A smart guy in a computer that wants good for only the strip? Some funky yes guy?
I agree that this has to be the best ending, but mostly because everything else suck and everyone wins for a good while at least.
House's ending is the most diplomatic one if you have 100 speech. You can basically use NCR laws against them, making Vegas a close neighbour and economic partner rather than a rival.
Houses ending is better for the ncr than the ncr ending is for the ncr
@@morbidzombiiExactly this. NCR simps don't realize that their most glaring negatives would be mitigated if they'd focus inwards rather than outwards.
Which is exactly what happens *when they lose.* (And certain other conditions, like Kimball staying alive)
It's ironic that people are so stuck on which faction should win, that they don't think about what happens when they don't.
The NCR is under an environmental crisis and faces starvation soon. They have a decade to expand and take off the strain by relocating into the outer regions of the wasteland. Financial wise it's strained to its limits with the Barrons and corruption. Lastly it's expanding too quickly with an inept ruler. Tandi was a very adept ruler compared to the ones who came after
Either way, all factions(depending on your play through, and except for Yes Man) end up fearing The Courier regardless..
I wish this ending was an option for the nonhouse independent vegas path. I feel like you can have a greater impact on the NCR as an opposing force, rather than internally. Sort of teddies carry a big stick mentality in trying to change the NCR.
I like how when Moore suggests taking out a hostile gang it's a "genocide" but when house does it of his own volition it's just a small oopsie.
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@@DiegosBloodspray yeah no shit I just watched the video. My comment takes issue with your idiodic use of the "genocide" to describe a single military leader in a nation ordering the destruction of a hostile faction. While describing the same act as "questionable" when a dictator has it done directly on his orders.
@@DaRoachDoggJunior Colonel Moore is not a single acting or innocent entity, she herself states that her actions have to go through NCR higher ups and politicians in California and they approve of her decisions because they “bring results” meaning she is acting of her own volition ordering these actions and the NCR government approves
Moore’s actions fall under the dictionary definition of genocide regardless of how you or I feel about it, House massacring the kings does as well, I just didn’t refer to them as such in the video because I thought anyone with an IQ above a number on the face of a clock would be able to understand that, nor did I excuse house’s behavior, my argument within the video, which you would’ve understood if you actually watched it as you claim, does not hinge on whether or not house has committed genocide against anyone, my argument is that house doesn’t commit these heinous actions to the same propensity or frequency for the same trivial as reasons as the NCR or Legion
@@DiegosBloodsprayDude, come on. The NCR isn’t that bad. You’re being subjective here. NCR has shown, time and time again, that it weighs better options.
@keyaaghaei dude you only comment how good the ncr is you are a literal npc not much different from a generic npc citizen
Actually if you tell the Kings to fight against the Ncr House will think of them as allies and will leave them alone.
Doesn't make much sense because House wants the NCR to be' an ally, not an enemy
@@andryuu_2000
House knows that he can’t really beat the NCR and keep Vegas, if the NCR really tried. So he constantly makes sure that the NCR can’t get a real foothold on the strip and ever seriously question his leadership.
So he keeps them busy and suppressed as much as he can. Which is why he is ok if the Kings fight against them.
If the NCR can’t get friendly with Freeside, they won’t be able to enter the strip
@@frankwest5388keep your "allies" bled so they can't backstab you
You can also do the quests for the Kings and call in your favor to force them to make peace with the NCR. This gives House a moment of reasoning to see how allowing the Kings to keep peace in Freeside works best and both factions are allowed to exist.
Add in the Speech 100 check to use the NCR's laws against them and force them to make peace with House and accept the Mojave as a trade partner allows House to run the strongest neutral empire in the remnants of America.
@@sintanan469 Actually if you make peace between the Kings and the NCR house will still wipe them out, as they are a backdoor risk for letting his enemies into Vegas.
It's possible that Yes Man is aggravated by the fact that whether he wants to or not, he _must_ obey the courier, and Yes Man might be more docile without that aggravating him. Just a possibility.
@@laziezt4973 I say that more against the implication that Yes Man could further worsen things in the mohave in and of himself.
And also that the courier is making absolutely brain dead decisions in like half these interactions
Yes man is the worst ending in the game literally turns New Vegas into anarchy and gets alot of people killed 😂
@@drunkenmmamaster419 Are you speaking from experience?
@@idonthaveaname8491he was there he saw everything
I feel like with the NCR, there is a big point missed with the actual people in it. And the NCR does genuinely have the most good people in it. People who are willing to go out of their way to help others are not that hard to find in the republic, at least compared to the other factions. The ideals that the NCR “pretends” to represent actually rub off on a lot of people in it, and sure, not a lot of those people are high in the ranks, but they do make enough decisions to make a good difference. Or least a more than negligible difference. Yes man is too unstable, the legion refuses to take the good of other civilizations and adapt, and house has lofty goals for improvement, but he only sees people as tools to step on to get to those goals. The NCR is the only group with some sort of morals that at least some people in it are bent on following. And that does make some difference in the end.
You forgot 1 potential, though not good, option for the Mojave. There's an ending for Dead Money where Elijah takes over
“ Attack? No! Not Attack them. *Wipe The Slate Clean!* Make the Mojave like it was Meant to be: *Undisturbed By Man…* “
@@maxkennedy7430 Commit a few casual genocides here and there.
Honestly, this is probably a decent take. The entire wasteland is almost beyond fixing (at least within several lifetimes)
The based schitzo Elijah ending
@@Fabian-bo8twgo outside bro
I find it kind of ironic that the NCR was basically created because of one mans help and that the NCR would fail in the Mojave if not for another ones help.
Literally all of the factions in the game would fail if not for the courier lmfaoo this point is so stupid 😂
@@ThatGuyOnFireKnownAsAndrew The Legion Would Win Without The Courier
@@theeternal2734 They would beat the NCR but die out soon after. That tumor isn't going away without the Courier's help
Pretty much every video game faction lol
History is full of great men who change its course. If the Thirteen Colonies never had George Washington, how much would history change? A lot actually, despite his military track record.
I think the number one problem with house is that while he insists that he has the best in mind for humanity he does not actively improve the lives of anyone outside the strip. The people of freeside and west side live in poverty while the people in the strip live lives of excess. House is so hyper fixated on the future that he consistently fails to acknowledge the current situation In New Vegas and even the Mojave wasteland as a whole. He repeatedly looks down upon the people of the wasteland when he could not even begin to comprehend the lives of the people of the Mojave. It takes a lot more than intelligence and vision to effectively lead a nation and without a governing body to make up for what house naturally lacks as a person I believe that House’s leadership would essentially lead to the enslavement of the Mojave.
well can he help this people? NCR could not becouse they are all over the place doing multi tasking and doing horrible at it, Legion certainly don't care so house knows he can't fix this problem so why try fixing it in his vision it would be a loss of resources that would't make a difference
Yeah people tend to take his word for things as well. He is an Andrew Ryan-type, he makes grandiose promises and dazzles with glitz and glamor, but he is just another pre-war elite obsessed with his own "idealized" future. We saw how the consolidation of business and state in bed-together damned the pre-war population to death or the vaults. Trusting House is like trusting Eden or Vault-Tec. He'll break any promise, backstab any friend, slaughter any foe and do whatever it takes to build his own vision of the bastarized system that caused the Great War. Vegas might rebuild and it may even prosper, but the Mojave's best hope under House is to be a resource in his empire of one man.
Baby steps bro. He can’t over exert his forces before he has enough robots/or the courier.
He may believe the cost of saving them not worth the resources necessary. House’s rule may not be indefinite. And can always be unearthed later or passed on to the courier.
Maybe his plan is to make The Strip so great that as people flock to it for employment, entertainment, ETC. It would expand as he gains more money and resources. Then he would slowly take over Freeside once The Strip runs out of room and expand outward.
admittedly house does not have the resources of a nation state, and basically runs only off money from the strip and a bit of electricity from the dam as NCR takes almost all of it from the treaty, so considering the NCR can't even do this despite the fact they claim as much i don't blame house for not focusing on the poor.
i don't deny that house is elitist, i know 100% that house doesn't consider them most of the time in his grand scheme, but i don't think he has any reason not to empower the poor of freeside and elsewhere eventually.
for only pragmatic reasons he would reduce poverty, simply because people with free time and money will seek out luxuries an education, giving back more to society in the long run. house will know this with all his degrees in economy, sure its a very cold calculating reasons to better the lives of citizens but still, i believe as he has more of a monetary base to spend once vegas becomes free it is very likely he would start to enact social services to better freeside and the surrounding areas.
I like how Caesar’s death with such an awful successor as Legate Lanius is treated as the nail in the coffin for the faction’s effectiveness, while Mr. House’s lack of a worthy successor is cited as a “minor inconvenience.”
If he dies, it’s unlikely that another person with humanity’s interests in mind such as him would rise to power in his place. With a corrupt individual in control of a powerful autocracy, the consequences could be utterly dystopian.
That's because Caesar's death is an inevitability while House appears to be functionally immortal (as in old age won't get him)
@@TheVacivuswhy on earth would you assume he's immune to old age? Life support can only go so far. His body looks like a corpse already
@@trite4654 Considering he’s lasted 200 years in that life support, chances are he will last much longer, at least long enough for him to digitally upload himself and disregard biological limitations.
I do think that when it comes to Mr House you do tend to overrate how altruistic he actually is. Just because he says that what he cares about is humanity's future, doesn't mean that it isn't fundamentally about himself. What Mr House cares for, first and foremost, is his own particular vision of what the future should be and in that sense he is a true autocrat. He doesn't care about what people do individually in their lives because they aren't a threat to him and his goals, when it comes to expansion he will inevitably displace and destroy the lives of others because that's just the price of doing business. It is at it's core selfishness with the affectation of nobility.
Literally every faction is out for themselves.
Mr. House cares about all men. Also Mr. House, "Eventually, Mr. House recognized that he could use Freeside as a filter for undesirables and pulled his favored tribes and all Securitrons into the Strip, leaving Freeside to fend for itself."
lmao
Hypocrisy Increased to 100
Is anyone really "evil" in the apocalypse?
He is still better than those corrupt ineffient morons called the "NCR" he trips them over 10 fold with our help, the NCR rots itself from the inside... The legion... Is... The Legion... And YAAAAAAAAAS Man is just a plain sociopath. The House always wins!
@@drunkenmmamaster419yes
To be fair, Mr. House had a successor in the form of Benny, the courier could possibly be an obvious replacement given time and tutoring.
Actually, House straight up tells the Courier that he plans to make them into their new successor, a replacement to Benny, in one of his first dialogues.
Mr. House never thinks about anyone as his successor, as he says at 51:53 he palns to live 100 more years so you won't outlive him, Benny and later the courier are only agents for his will
@@XMarkxyz Literal quotes from Mr. House's dialogue, which I will stitch together for the purpose of this comment:
(talking of Benny) "Until his recent misbehaviour, I'd planned to make him my protege. To achieve my aims, I require a capable agent to perform certain... Tasks. Now, you've come along, a more than suitable replacement."
The way he talks, he does seem to imply that, though he may refer to you as an "agent" and "employee", he is effectively entrusting on putting you at the position of second-in-command. Which in turn would also imply that, being him such a maddingly calculating, scheming individual planning and thinking for every minute detail, he may definitely have some contingency plans of sorts in place to have you, the player, continue his legacy in the event anything ever happens to him in the future.
@@XMarkxyz he also plans on commercialising his immortality chambers, so it's entirely possible the Courier does outlive House.
@@XMarkxyzhe says he will produce affordable technology that makes you immortal
"All fiat currencies have failed, no exceptions" is a wild thing to say when the US dollar, British pound, Euro, Rupee, Yen and Yuan are all fiat
My guess is that it was pulled from some kind of grift for hucking gold or crypto. That usually ends up being the end case made by that kind of crap.
I mean why does gold have value…? Outside of certain specific modern industrial areas of use, it’s just valued because people have just agreed it’s something valued. Of which the value can fluctuate completely on the general public sentiment on what that gold can be traded for. Any kind of currency that allows you to leave feudalistic bartering is inherently based on implicit valuing of a placeholder for value to facilitate trade.
And those will fail eventually, as well
@@gustavrsh "As well" what other example are you referring to? The reason no major currencies are gold anymore is because all the gold backed currencies failed during one of the world wars lmao
I know time constraints really put a damper on the depth of the Legion but I wish you could get an ending where Caesar named you his successor. It feels like that's what its all building to.
In ancient Rome, currency was often how people learned of a new Emperor. Aurelian squashed the Palmyran rebellion because they were minting coins with someone else's face on it.
@@ZMCFERON
So you’re saying that the coin WAS Caesar anointing a successor? Just in his usual “can’t bring himself to say it” sort of way?
@@spindash64
Pretty much, yeah. Putting your intended successor on the coinage was a common practice through the medieval period. By putting the Courier in a position of authority second only to himself, Caesar is tacitly appointing his heir.
Mr. House: "Clearly I'm the better owing to my intellect, predictions and plans!"
Me, a courier with 10 INT high on Mentatas:
On a side note: Wonder Woman visiting Konohagakure is absolutely hilarious
Na ongod bro💀💀💀💀💀
Which part of the video is that at?
@GreenTea💚 ooh thanks for the response
@@jackc9418eh??
"Mr. House wants the best for mankind." He can't even be bothered to help freeside. You literally included Julie Farkas' quote where she directly calls him out.
House represents "futurists" who ignore the suffering of people in the present and justify it by saying they're working to save future people, imo.
He also states that House has never invaded a community or anything of the sort forgetting that he forced a group of vault dwellers out of their vault and filled it with concrete
@@jordanquill8079 He won it fair and square.
@@jordanquill8079
House gets involved if something does affect him personally
Vault 21 contained passages and tunnels into restricted sections of the Strip, and he filled the area with cement specifically to prevent entry into important server rooms (Benny did anyways, but that's beside the point)
Also, the game was rigged, but he at least had enough mercy to keep the upper levels and employ the former residents
He CAN'T help freeside, he has to secure his own territory for the battle ahead, and besides the moment he does win the war, first thing he does is send securitrons into freeside so it can become under his wing, if you help the kings even better. By the time you start the game Mr.houses security force is extremely small and not that powerful, makes sense not to spread em out.
Did you know I'm 241 days older then fallout new Vegas
Yes
@@looserdruid6434 I meant did you know in a retorical way.
Crazy how much time has passed. You were under a year old when I picked up my first copy. I was ten.
I was in 8th grade when this game came out. Makes me feel so old, I vividly remember playing new vegas and watching Season 1 of the walking dead.
I am 612 days older, also we should have more replies calculate how long they were born before or after fnv released
This guy when NCR needs to do something bad to help the greater good: 😫😫😫☹☹☹😭😭😭😧😧😡😡😡
Also him when mr robo-corpse does the same: 😂😂😁😁😍😍😄😄😃😃
49:30
@@DiegosBloodspray House literally genocides a group in conquest he's an imperialist and goes out of his place of jurisdiction. The same traits you used to criticize NCR and those said that House doesn't possess
I said he doesn't demonstrate it to the same severity
He only does it to the kings
@@DiegosBloodspray he still conquests Nevada and goes out of his place of jurisdiction, he's still an imperialist
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oh boy another one of these videos
More than a decade has passed, and We still even managed to agree to that
Just as a correction, in an interview with either Chris Avallone or Josh Sawyer, one of them said that Yesmans reprogramming was to make it so that only the courier can command him. Meaning that only us, or anyone we might appoint can control yes man
Pretty sure Yes Man says this as well when explaining why he's following your orders.
49:40 As much as it pains me to say it as a House/Yes Man endings fan, there is technically one other ending besides BOS and Kings where House does questionable thing. If you make NCR side with Primm (which is possible since some players miss Primm Slim sheriff option or thinks a slow protectron ain't a good Sheriff candidate) then House ending states that "as a punishment, Primm is heavily taxed by House for their disloyalty" so... That's an interesting dilemma, NV does have an issue with end slides contradicting in game lore a bit, e.x. the Legate Lanius speech or barter checks imply that he isn't that big of a dumbass, and the Lonesome Road DLC implies that real Lanius isn't that big of a monster, Legate Lanius is first and foremost, *a symbol* aka all the talks about him being a monster is basically a propaganda, a symbol for Legion to use to create fear. The issue however is that ending slides where you side with Legion but Edward is dead, clearly imply that Lanius IS a dumb butcher who just slaughters for sht and giggles. Same issue I have with House endings, if you make Primm get NCR help and they leave, why does House punish them? Seems like it's ME who deserved a punishment since it's ME who made said alliance. Plus Primm is so far away from House, why does he fear em siding with NCR who already fled? Also Goodsprings ending maybe implies that he spies on Goodsprings which is again, why?
Mr. House imposing taxes makes about as much sense as Caesar appointing a women to be his Legate.
Tbh that's likely because the game was rushed. Many things wouldn't be able to be fleshed out because they gave the Devs a year to write all of this and make it good.
Spying on Goodsprings to make sure another courier playing an NCR playthrough doesnt show up
@grugnotice7746W hy? He already taxes the casinos. House is just trying to run NV like a monopolized corporation where he is the effective ceo and dictator. Taxes are definitely in his character, as long as he's the one benefiting from them. He's just a selfish egomaniac.
His line about killing the president being understandable because of taxes is the games humor. He wouldn't stand for people evading his own taxes, but the ncr, who cares.
@@coffeecrispy2673 Only Based explanation for why Victor is in goodsprings
Independent ending is very much left to how you see your character. If your Courier is 10int 10cha who has think tank minds and tech, and has support of all factions - I totally can see them as a new leader. Also, keep in mind, that Yes Man exists in every ending, so whoever takes control of NV would have to deal with him. Republic is not really ready for a war - they have neither resources nor supply lines for that. Should they be thrown away, I doubt they would return anytime soon. And, again, think tank has the technology to start mass producing combat robots. Robo scorpions, anyone?
Under the best possible circumstances many NCR citizens would see the Courier as a hero. Chief Hanlon would for sure stick up for the Courier back in California.
Always robo scorpions 🦂🦂🦂
It is honestly the objective best and worst ending, because of how much is left up in the air and how much your courier is a effective leader, creator, and whatever else you can come up with in headcannon. It's the most malleable ending out of them all.
He's shady tho, doesn't he tell you at the end that he's taking control and doesn't need you anymore (basically just using you and acting like your friend to reach his goal and strip you of control) he just wants it to be him and the securitrons and doesn't really gaf about the people of vegas if you really look at it. He's also paranoid af, if he doesn't trust the Boomers (who just want to be independent themselves) what makes you think he'll trust the think tank or vice versa? Maybe with House gone he might be able to forge an alliance but for how long?
@@Krakkokayne You mean Yes Man? No, he is not saying he is taking control, he is saying that he wants to be able to stand his point. Sure, he may have some own ideas, but nothing from end credits says that he acts against the Courier.
Also, I don't see why tech-savvy Courier is unable to do something about him. Or maybe Dr. 0 can. Hell, Courier can even return to Sierra Madre and recruit imprisoned Elijah.
Boomers are really hard to trust if you think about that. They just want to see the world burn.
It just amazes me that 13 years passed since the FNV release and the community around it is thriving.
That’s what happens when they can’t make a good game anymore
i was thinking that at the begining. after all this time its still the one game where everyone cares about what actually happens. still arguing and debating the factions. i always liked house in some ways, just because i grew up on city builders like sim city, lol.
@@darkranger116 House has a plan, House doesn't have a malicious intent, House doesn't want to enslave anyone, House doesn't want to tax anyone, he doesn't want to expand his influence, he has the means to defend Vegas and make it prosper, he's wiser than ncr and legion combined.
Legion will fall apart after Ceasar dies and they are a bunch of uneducated slavers, ncr just wants to expand and it's a giant on clay legs. Yes Man has a lot more free will than needed and could make vegas into police state or something.
On my 1st NV run I refused to side with House because I'm opportunistic but then all the choices seem even worse when you talk to wasteland people. House always wins after all.
for real man. Im about to buy an xbox one just so i can play this game again. Skyrim was cool and all, but there has not been a single game that has come close to capturing the atmosphere, storytelling and role playing freedom of FNV.
@@friendli29 To be fair that's because Bethesda didn't make FoNV. Had they done so, it would have been like Fo4 most likely or Fo3 at best.
It really boiled down to one moment for me.
At my character's lowest moment, critically wounded, laying alone and dying in a shallow grave, it was House who picked me up.
When I am bought, I stay bought.
How are you a libertarian (according to your username) if you accept yourself being bought. Don't understand that one. I always disable cerebral on House and let him suffer in that abhorrent immortality he worked so hard for. His mistake for saving someone he didn't know the character of. For someone who calculates everything he's honestly an idiot.
Idk I just despise House to a ridiculous level. I only ever even talk to him to insult him and refuse to do his work to his face.
@deaj8450 well you just sound like a beacon of intelligence and level headed reasoning
@TannerLindberg Yes because the goal of my comment was to lay out an intricate thesis on the merit and cons of House and start a youtube comment debate.
I was mostly commenting on the "when I'm bought, I stay bought." That pretty well conflicts, at least in my mind, with his username containing 'libertarian' so I was interested. But I also never shy away from my personal biases against House.
@@deaj8450 It's repaying a debt with loyalty. When someone saves your life, some feel the need to pay back the favor.
It's not complex. Though as the other user said, you sound like you've got a chip on your shoulder. Not a platinum one mind you.
@techpriest6962 I don't see it as House saving your life though. He's just trying to save an investment, your life just so happens to coincidentally be involved in that investment. Even if I did though, I can't give loyalty to someone I don't like. I don't really know what a chip on my shoulder would consist of mentally, but I'm fine with whatever opinion of me others wish to apply. I freely admit I just really dislike House.
A lot of the arguments presented in favor House came down to “he has the best intentions” which is a bit disappointing considering each faction believes they have the best intentions. With that said though this video definitely made me see House in a kinder light. Well done.
The Kings, though its not a selectable option they are a gem within the dirt that is freeside, if they had more members and the NCR was off their tail I think they would've been a viable option
Bit dirty aroud the edges but they are a damn diamond
The Kings would fight and die to the last man for Freeside.
@@Birkebeiner1066they've got loyalty down pat
true they are this games minutemen
Let him cook
I stumbled upon this video when searching about Fallout New Vegas, and honestly, this video has the most comprehensive display of each faction, their ideal, and their pros and cons that I’ve seen within an hour video. Great job!
I have played New Vegas since 2010 and it never occurred to me that Yes Man could be planning my eventual demise.
That's fine though because he isn't and the Devs have confirmed that he isn't.
He's an interface that's being upgraded to only work for you.
@@TheBeastlyplayback And what about when you die smartie? If the courrier needs a successor for Yes man then thats just another diktator.
@@TheBeastlyplayback Yeah, everyone personifies him. He's isn't a real entity, he's a program with a goal and there's literally no reason to believe he will break from his directive.
The devs confirmed he's your pal. But consider how detrimental it is for people in power to be surrounded by "yes men".
Extrapolate from there
Genuinely the NCR would be the best option if Col Hsu were in charge of the damn or the Mojave expedition because he would get enough of a publicity boost to become the next president once kimball make a stupid mistake with Hsu in charge I believe they’d be able to approach the strength they had under Tandy
I sincerely disagree with the idea that House is a good leader at all. 2/3 of his allies in Vegas are actively conspiring against him and the other is filled with cannibals. He is an old world visionary and a genius, but not a leader of men. w/o the securitrons he is a paper tiger, even with them the courier can easily kill him without firing a shot. You say he is sometimes short sighted, but actually it is the opposite. The man is farsighted, he sees the big picture, but cannot see what's right in front of him. The existence of Yes Man is a testament to House's over confidence. House has big plans, but the next steps for him are impossible without the Courier. In general, House is dependent upon other to do his work for him, but he doesn't earn anyones genuine loyalty.
Look at it this way: If the NCR didn't exist, could House have ever repaired Hoover Dam? Could his securitrons have actually done that work? Does he personally have the expertise to program them to do so? Do the three families have engineers? If he wants to reignite the old world technology sectors in 20 years, who is going to establish the schools to teach his future engineers grade school math and science? Who is he going to get to provide medical care to his highly valuable workers? And when the NCR eventually grows frustrated with House's high handed dealing who is really going to stick by his side? After say 10 years of easy living, are the three families going to be useful allies in a fight?
House's fatal flaw is that he doesn't think like a wastelander, he thinks like a business man, he assumes that he can rely on a series of contracts and transactions to reconstitute civilization. In reality reestablishing society requires much more than a few favorable bargains. House doesn't really get why the Legion and NCR are so successful for the same reason he doesn't foresee his allies turning on him. Both the NCR and the Legion are far more politically unified and socially developed than New Vegas because they have a sense of identity and purpose. Even Westside is more of a civilization than the Strip. The Strip is nothing but a confederation of murderers, rapists, and cannibals led by a strong man with big ideas and a few big guns. House doesn't live in the world he is trying to conquer, he has no sense for the people he intends to rule. He doesn't offer an alternative path for the Mojave to rally around, only a new boss to follow.
You left our many things in the overview of lore on House. See he IS just as genocidal and grasping as the NCR or Legion, he's just been at it for a shorter amount of time. He only started his take over of Vegas AFTER he detected the NCR entering the Mojave a few years ago. At that time the Khans were the most powerful tribe in the Mojave, and the fiends and residents of vegas were their allies. House used the three families to force them out of Vegas and towards their eventual demise at Bitter Springs. Equally, the residents of Vault 21 got a similar treatment, when that group decided to join House, their reward was having their home filled with concrete and their residents cast to the wind. All of outer vegas got a similar treatment. To House, there are only employees, customers, and competitors i.e. servants, suckers, and enemies. House's "territory" is just as much stolen land as everywhere else in the Mojave, and he intends to take it all. Do you really believe that House will be satisfied with the resources of the Mojave? If he intends to got to space, he'll need much much more than that. Whatever grand ideas he holds to have very little to do with human well being, and everything to do with his own ambition. Going to the stars in 50 years doesn't help anyone, it just satisfies his own sense of greatness.
House's plan is to collect and then spend resources to get what he needs, but there are some resources so precious they are impossible to buy. Human infrastructure is just as much a corner stone of civilization as something like the dam, and House has less than even Caesar. Caesar and the NCR build alliances all over the Mojave, while House ignores or rejects people who might become loyal constituents of a renovated New Vegas. The Kings, the Followers, the people of Westside, Northside, and Freeside, the people of Goodsprings, Primm, Novac, and Jacobstown, hell even the Khans could have made useful allies. Most importantly they'd be in favor of an independent Vegas and need a powerful ally. To House they are irrelevant and disposable. He's got his den of snakes all settled, and he's not hiring any more at the moment. See this is the ultimate proof of House's failure: Everyone in the Mojave says the Legion sucks ass and the NCR are only moderately better, but no one, not even the three families say: "And that's why I support Mr. House and his vision for the future." Because he isn't a person to them. He doesn't talk to anyone. He doesn't even try to advocate for himself or his ideas because he isn't a real leader. He's reclusive, old world relic who never liked people in the first place.
No one is ever going to be loyal to a face on a screen just because he has an army of robots behind him. The courier is the one who earns peoples trust, the courier is the one who holds the fate of the Mojave in their hands. House is just the weakest of three powers who depends on the unearned loyalty of a wastelander to achieve anything at all. The fact is that without the Courier, ALL major factions in the Mojave are doomed. W/O us the NCR will lose Hoover Dam, House will not be able to make his move against a victorious Legion, and Caesar will die in a few years time. If only the Couriers actions can determine the future of the Mojave, and the end result is up to their whims, then letting the Courier run the whole show is the most fitting conclusion. If the Courier is evil, then obviously it sucks, but if that's the case then the Courier would probably betray House anyways. If the Courier is good, then the Independent ending has the greatest chance to produce immediate and lasting benefits to the Mojave because unlike any other faction, the Courier is capable of making loyal local allies and responding to the needs that wastelander's face.
This is the first video I've seen of yours, but you've earned a subscriber today. Your knowledge and ability to speak on the topics with intelligence is just my style
I am wording this!
I disliked the video because I only like when people speak on topics with unintelligence
Same here. its exactly what i was looking for and i was not disappointed
Plus his choice of music 👌🏽
You say that the NCR wanting the brotherhood to be wiped out is sinister and unjustified… but then you say it’s justified when House makes you do it??
Not to mention House, unlike the NCR, absolutely refuses to end on peaceful terms with the Brotherhood. He literally demands their genocide, no questions asked.
House’s reasoning is more justified wether it’s moral or not. The Brotherhood contradicts and is a threat to house as a whole
People tend to forget that the west coast brotherhood at this time are techno-religious fascists with a similar goal to the Enclave: be the last ones standing
I always find it hilarious how people seem to be under the assumption that the day after the bombs dropped, raiders and tribals just emerged, fully formed as if by magic. And that the New Vegas gangs completely changed their personalities to join Mr. House. Remember The Kings are one of the "tribal" groups that didn't join up with House, or weren't invited to. It's more likely that Vegas' "tribals" were already pretty close to what we see in New Vegas just more open about their more violent and gruesome proclivities, and not nearly as well dressed.
You missed an important part of Caesars philosophy.
The plan was never for the legion to stay as a sustainable permanent power. The plan was to bring civilization by force and crush all other societies that would eventually collapse before it naturally collapses on caesars death - it being replaced by something new and much better, an evolution of the legion. Caesar is an accelerationist.
An Accelerationist Inevitably Has A Utopian Idea For What Kind Of State Should Be In Power, Its Merely A Philosophy To Prove The Failings Of Another Ideology, Even So Caesar Wants To Maintain His Power As He Explains Wanting To Turn The NCR Into A Military Dictatorship
His plan is still terrible.
It's idiotic, what remains would just splinter into warring tribes killing each other forever over petty issues. The balkanization of the wasteland
@@jonahulichny9874 only idiots think it's terrible
@@GamesNosh why would it? Caesar united 86 different tribes and managed to lead them without a hitch-clearly assimilation is working, and even after his death the legion might be aimless until the new Cesar comes, but it won’t just fall apart. It’s at least as big as NCR with stable economy and trade routes-those things don’t fall apart overnight.
This was a really good video, but when I heard goodbye almond eyes it was an instant subscribe
I think there are three crucial misconceptions about the NCR used in this video.
First, the expansion east is not fueled by greed - if it is, it certainly is not their primary motive, and there are several good reasons for this. It is rather neccessity. The NCR is already a de-facto state in the west, with established institutions and services like healthcare, which means its population will continue to grow naturally; it's an inevitable consequence of the advancement of standards of living. Add to this the post-apocalyptic setting, where the resources are drastically scarce. Expansion, or at the very least, scavenging expeditions, are not only logical but neccessary with a population that will only continue to grow. Consider also that the NCR is not the sole faction, meaning that if it does not expand and amass resources, another faction sooner or later will; in that scenario, the NCR is almost guaranteed to be either subjugated, conquered, or annihilated by another power which did something the NCR refused to do. Therefore, expansion towards the east *is not* fueled by NCR's greed, it's fueled by neccessity - it's game theory. You'll just run into a multitude of hardly resolvable issues if you don't expand. If greed plays a role in this, it's most certainly a secondary motivation. We might debate whether their way to expand was good or not, but I think the decision to expand itself is not up to debate or judgement here.
Secondly, I feel like you are giving the NCR the same analytical treatment as you do for other factions in the Mojave, which I think is a mistake. We might debate the virtues and vices of their democracy, but they are still a democracy, while you treat them like a military dictatorship; as in, their ways will never-ever change, that they'll be genocidal maniacs and tyranical tax collectors in perpetuity. But the incredible advantage the NCR has is that their citizens can hold their leaders accountable, and elect people who can do away with all the terrible practices you (righfully) point out. Even if it might take years, it is not up to chance or benevolence of the dictator, but up to the *citizens* to change it. Autocrats can be disposed only through violence, which in such scenario inherently means revolution; but we know from the history of our world, that revolutions tend to create 3 problems in the place of 1 solved problem.
Lastly, technically the only word we have for the vices of their democracy is the word of a few people, one of them Ceasar (who's just a moron, frankly speaking), claiming corruption and le 'big bureaucracy' (which btw. is a criticism used today, e.g. against the EU, who employs less bureaucrats in total than the city of Paris; meaning that this criticism might be completely without merit). We really do not have any true information on how the NCR functions internally; whether their type of democracy is a more European, centralized one, with less opportunities for direct citizen engagement, or the American one, based on strong self-governance. Long-term, I'd still bank on the citizens of the NCR being able to depose cruel leaders, rather than the benevolence of Mr. House or the Courier, or the Legion benevolently sparing the people of the Mojave.
All in all, the video is still a great breakdown. Fun watch!
One word :
Taxes
Fuck the NCR
I love that you have your own bias as to what faction is the best for the mojave.
It's great to see what people come up with to defend their own biases. I've seen equally good reasoning to back NCR or Legion up.
I also want to mention for an independent New Vegas that Yesman doesn't necessarily have to betray the courier at all. All he has to do is pull a Mr. House and put himself away until the courier dies naturally, then re-emerge after years/decades of reading Mr. House's old data. So yeah, I think that no matter how you slice it Yesman is just gonna become post-nuclear skynet.
To be fair, I don’t think he’ll go FULL “exterminate humanity”, since he seems pretty dedicated to the idea of being helpful: most of his frustration is that he CAN’T save you from your own stupidity, so to speak. He can’t tell you NOT to do something that will only make things worse.
That doesn’t mean he wouldn’t be a nightmare, mind you, just that his apocalypse would be more Brave New World than Terminator
I hope your hard work pays off, it shows in the quality of your videos. I wish u the best of luck
Thank you for the kind words
Joshua Sawyer has said himself that the yes man update he talks about in the end only changes him to listen to you only and nothing else
2:57 actually he fired weapons from the top of the Lucky 38 to destroy 9 warheads, only having 9 land around vegas. the weapons were apparently powerful enough to be seen from Mexico City, and if the platinum chup had been delivered, he would have been able to shoot down all 77.
I know Lanius is considered the Brute Meat head of the legion, but we're forgetting that he requires the hardest speech checks to pacify, on your first playthrough you might not realize how intelligent Lanius is in a debate / philosophical discussion.
Perhaps Lanius just needed Caesar to die in order to stop being the war dog and start being the warrior king. Mars is their god, and their god lives on. If Caesars legion were to crumble i think Lanius would easily piece together a new horde fueled by Mars.
You're allowed to believe that, sure, but there's nothing to empirically suggest such a thing in game
All up to interpretation tho
Totally agree
@@DiegosBloodspray To be fair there is, intentionally , very little information on Lanius. really all we have is the scant reports of what people have *heard* about him. Except for maybe Caesar's opinion of him. Though who is to say that's just the face Lanius puts on for Caesar.
You're right to say that there is nothing to empirically suggest such a thing in game because there is nothing to empirically suggest such a thing about Lanius in general.
Lanius is a legend, and he is what the player makes him. Lanius isn't even his real name.
Given Lanius' Actions After Caesar Dies Such As Attacking The Boomers, Followers And The Enclave Remnants I Tend To Think That He Isn't The Best Decision Maker
@@DiegosBloodspray "Though unsubtle, he is not dim. He detects traps, and sets his own. Be glad you will not have to face his judgment... if you are true to Caesar." From Vulpes Inculta. He's just brutal, not a stupid meathead. His aggro tactics scare the opposition, their not simple minded
I'm the best option for Mojave, because I'm the courier
Goodbye
Something you should also consider regarding the NCR is that while their reach spreads super far, theyre stretched very thin and are currently starving their troops. Taking the hovor dam and simply holding it until the NCR fades away is a pretty valid option. The NCR are on their last few years, maybe a decade without courier intervention.
A few (friendly discussion) counter points to the Yes Man segment;
I don't think YesMan's "insecurities" and "disapprovals" are the result of any kind of free will or own motives, just Benny being weird making him, Benny made him specifically to be not just always helpful but also always pleasing and these can be conflicting, YesMan has to always help which means he has to indicate to you if your decision may have negative outcomes, but he also can't tell you your wrong he has to please you, he does both by telling you the risk while saying he could be wrong and it's his fault etc, even tho he's dismissing the risk he's still telling you so you can reconsider, so he's still fulfilling that need to help you, but not telling you your wrong so he fulfills the need to please, combined with likely some specific weird touches from benny for enjoyment, but none of this implies a free will just his logical thoughts on your will. Even when he specifically says hes insecure it's still him directly fulfilling this, it's him not saying anything out loud because he doesn't want to displease you, but still telling you because he has to be helpful, the "insecurity" is just the conflict of his two directives, and him saying it's insecurity was still just him blaming himself for the issue because it would please you for it to not be your fault
Then when he updates himself to be more assertive, this is still directly to fulfill the couriers will, literally all the courier had to do was walk up to him and say help me take over the Mojave and he had to say yes, and after it's done, anyone could do the same thing, the best way YesMan could help you as he has to do was to update himself so that no one could use him against the courier in the same way, he had to be more assertive or literally anyone who has the chance to speak to YesMan could take control of him and over throw the courier.
Also and this is kinda a lazy point because it didn't happen in the game, but it was said by one of the creators that YesMan saying that was not a sign of him planning to overthrow you or take it over himself but just solely so that no one could take YesMan from the courier and no one could do what the courier did again
Edit after finishing video: I also feel like you gave House the benefit of the doubt for everything you criticized other factions for, when the NCR wants to wipe out a faction you call it genocide, when House does you call it necessary. You said the Legion is doomed because Cesar lacks a true successor, but for House that's just a mild improvement he could make
Another reason why House is the best choice is that when the dangers from the add-ons attack (like when Ulysses says that the tunnelers will appear in the Mojave in about 5 years and something it bothers me is that they are never taken in consideration[the DLCs]when talking about factions) he is the one that will be able to adapt and counterattack the dangers,Free Vegas would be "every man by himself ",the Legion wouldn't be capable of anything and The NCR if they can't handle drugged up raiders they won't be able to protect the people,House would create something like an scanner or something like that and maybe create safe places for refugees
House would definitely not make safe houses if it wasnt profitable
@@mustardorb8867 Keeping your customers alive is always profitable.
@@mustardorb8867 they can’t use your goods and services if they are dead
Not to mention house would for sure dail up the cursor and sick him on tunnelers at the slightest hint of trouble while the other factions( aside form IN Vegas) would not have
@IronBridge Exactly, his "customers". He's not going to go out of his way to protect freeside or Primm if it doesn't directly aid the strip or his empire. They're only as good as their caps to him.
I would like to say one thing that I do feel is important, is indeed, Courier Intervention. Now I know you didn't want to include everything about it as that would take a long time and you already made a very long and impressive video, though I do think it is important in cases, as it shows what *can* be done, and what can't. Now I don't necessarily mean with the courier swooping in and solving every single problem like superman, I mean when it comes to choices and options that can be done to resolve quests, this speaks more to factions than it does the ability of the courier. To better explain this, look at the Brotherhood and compare how they are dealt with by the big factions, Yes Man of course can have this handled in many ways because this is you the player, if you couldn't make a choice that would just be a slap in the face so we're not going to look much at Courier/Yes man, but let's look at the others. The Legion, death, death and only death, Caesar has no respect for them, and no matter what you say or do, he will not change his ideas, and you cannot tell anyone else about this because Caesar is has the final say, you cannot tell Vulpes that it could be a good idea, Vulpes will not contradict the word of Caesar. House, death and only death, House views them as techno fetishists and wants them gone, there is no convincing House otherwise, they die and that's it. NCR, Moore wants them dead, Moore is a might makes right woman, there is no convincing Moore otherwise, BUT, you can bypass Moore, she is not the end all be all for the NCR, you have people like Crocker who want to extend the olive branch, and make peace with a faction. Likewise, for The Kings, Legion, all death, Caesar demands submission or death, House, very hard to manage it and you have to purposefully instigate violence and there was no telling that that was going to make House like them, NCR though you have Crocker wanting you to make peace with them, if it ends in violence, he's either disappointed it had to be this way despite your efforts, or downright pissed that you so recklessly ended this in slaughter. You're right that there is corruption in the NCR, bad apples who want to make money at the cost of lives and livelihoods, but that is not ALL there is in NCR. The others have autocrats ruling, dictators, what they say is the end of the discussion, and their will be done, NOTHING, the Courier can do can change how House or Caesar wants something done, now the courier can botch things up yes but that's more failure on your part, not finding an option to end something, and more finding a way to do it wrong (Getting kicked out of the omertas, failing to kill Kimball) but when Caesar or house demands you exterminate, you have only the option to exterminate, or turn on them. NCR does not have a soul leader, the one person you have to answer to, and that is what makes them the best faction in my eyes, you have bad apples, but genuine good in there as well, different aspects and avenues to go to achieve results, yes Moore is pissed when you make allies with the Brotherhood, and yeah, in a Republic, the war-hawks will be upset when the diplomats shut down their war, she is a representative of the war-hawks in the NCR, but not NCR as a whole, Crocker represents a much better side, and there you have the biggest difference. Once Tandi ran the NCR, now you have Kimball, but there are still good people who can make enough of a difference to really help the Mojave.
Also if you max out your relationship with the followers,they get NCR backing and funding! Even if you don't the followers will join the khans and flourish.
Well said
Another point in favor for the house ending, is that house is not going to die any time soon unlike with the Legion or with the Yes Man ending. Unless of course yes man somehow manages to keep the ideals of the Courier after their death. Honestly, I'm surprised they didn't make the Courier biologically Immortal after Old World Blues has them become a cyborg
I'm guessing with yes man taking over he finds mr house's plans for vegas and institutes it into his ideas such as restarting the technological development and production centers around vegas in the ruins and I'm also assuming deep under the city as well and also you could just take mr house's place in the pod you'd just need a securitron to handle and to head out of the pod once in a while to acclimate to germs again
I think if Yes Man were to try to take power all for himself he wouldn’t kill the courier. He’s immortal and as a robot likely can’t feel impatient or bored so even if the courier lives 500 years Yes Man could wait him out. Yes Man is also not a dumby so it seems likely he would know that fighting the courier would be a bad idea.
Boy got caught in House propaganda. Poor soul
The pin of shame :D
House all the way, baby.
@@tumansibiri I think this is more like a pin of "that's pretty funny"
so you're Legion's slave?
@@jeepkaewka8999 tunneler supremacist
You know, I see a lot of people characterize the NCR as too weak and ineffectual to fight raiders, but they never seem to acknowledge that the only reason the Vipers, Jackals, and Khans are in the Mojave in the first place is that the NCR pushed them out of New California. All three of these gangs are descended from the inhabitants of Vault 15: the same vault the founders of the NCR, Shady Sands, came from. All of these groups came up in the same region, yet clearly the NCR must have been strong enough to push the raiders out of their homeland, or else they would still be there. If they could beat them in California, they can beat them in the Mojave, especially given the raiders' weakened state. They haven't yet, but only because they're solely focused on fighting the Legion. That's their top priority. If they manage to defeat the Legion (and, if we're judging the NCR based on how they would run the Mojave, we should assume that they do) picking off the raiders in the region would no doubt become the new top priority, and one they'd easily be able to accomplish.
The fact you can make a convincing argument for each faction being the best based on something as simple as fiat vs gold backed currencies really shows how well written the game is. Well done! More please!
This is the most insane house glazing I've ever seen, lmao.
This is the first video of your channel I’ve come across. Please do more content like this. The scope of the Fallout and Elder Scrolls games alone have so much to cover and need more quality perspectives on them.
Solid 10 outta 10 from me on this one.
Thank you for your kind words
Caesars Legion obviously. They make the best Pizza.
Lucky you... They make deliveries! 😭
Pizza, pizza!
The politics of each faction is what really makes up new Vegas and the fallout games really good.
2:35 god, the way you framed House here definitely has a new feeling after watching the Fallout TV show lmao
Without even watching this video I have to say the best ending of course is yes man with whatever head cannon courier we cooked up at home who single handedly saves mankind
A courier that solves the issues of the houses, free side, and independents, as well as having the intelligence to lead (and hopefully charisma) could lead to a short term golden age for Vegas.
Well each ending has a cutscene with different outcomes so even if your character is naive and simply goes with ncr or house, they will see the consequences
Yesman ending always leads to New Vegas (besides the strip) to unstableness and violence.
@@MCB741that’s short term instability that would arise from any power vacuum or change in leadership to be fair
@@MCB741 That never happened in the ending I remember.
Must have been your choices in the games.
independent vegas section got me thinking again about how yes man being an actual villain in a future installment would go stupid hard, dude would be akin to the lalo salamanca of the series something menacing and unique enough that bethesda couldn't properly achieve with eden in 3 lol
In Knights of the Old Republic 2, there was a dialogue option based on the choices you chose that determined that backstory from what happened in the first game, essentially telling the story of your character in the first game to that of the second which included some changes in dialogue and npcs as a result. If Fallout did do a continuation of NV, they could do it in such a way that either House or Yes man could become the villain depending on which dialogue options you pick and details kept vague enough from CL or NCR that either ending could have happened but Yes man drove them out.
Even better: no matter what ending they want to make canon, Yes Man will still exist in that ending, unless they explicitly CHOOSE to write him out of it (for example, explaining that Mr House found Yes Man and took him offline somehow).
The idea of an antagonist robot who wants to “help” humanity is also a lot scarier than one that’s just rehashing an old evil scheme, and perhaps even more in tune with the overarching themes of the series: even in the face of an apocalyptic world peace, _war never changes._
I would argue while perhaps not being the best ending, the Independent ending makes the most thematic sense. I'd argue the most important theme of Fallout New Vegas is the need to let go of the past, to begin again, to replace old world blues with new world hope.
Then looking at the factions we see the NCR emulating the Pre-War government and falling in all its pitfalls, the Legion regressing into reactionary totalitarianism in a forgery of ancient Rome, and Mr. House is a literal artifact of the old world who has made his fief into a copy of the Vegas he used to know. Only a Independent New Vegas is a truly new idea in the Mojave not derivative of the old world, thus the only one fitting to rule it.
Either the Independent or House endings are also better for the NCR in the long run than the NCR ending. In the NCR ending Kimball's warhawks are justified, Colonel Moore is promoted, General Oliver becomes a hero of the Republic and the NCR continues it's manifest destiny. In contrast if the NCR loses to the "moderates" we see Oliver getting sacked, Moore at the very least not getting promoted, Kimball is bound to lose the next presidential election and more liberal politicians like Hanlon get elected to the NCR senate.
I adore how each faction has very clear flaws and positives. Even putting yourself in charge has it's flaws and even someone has evil sounding as the Legion has brought some peace to the Mojave.
Siding with Elijah in Dead Money for a truly Wild Wasteland.
so that would be the FNV mod DUST as your choice then cause the toxic cloud spreads and kills most/ turns the rest insane and the NCR become worse than the Legion
Imagine not imprisoning Elijah in his vault with his gold as a perfect form of ironic punishment. Is it even possible?
@@MidlifeCrisisJoe not sure what you are asking seeing as not trapping or killing Elijah is the "good karma" ending for the DLC
@@johnnyyuma5747 my point is that I would never know that as I always trap him in the vault with his gold (after stealing a bar or two myself)
@@MidlifeCrisisJoe i can understand that although i dislike Dead Money so have only ever done it once and when i did i took all the gold and trapped him in the vault
Mr house: its been long since I've been treated like a professional that I am and given a clean apartment
19:01 "Scarce number of troops"
Caesar recruits tons of people across the wasteland like the tribes he conquered and continues to conquer and assimilate into his army, as well as getting more soldiers from his territories in the east.
Plus it is plainly stated that legion warriors are equal to Rangers in a fight
@@Alex-yf4zi Facts. And the Rangers are a minority of the whole NCR Army, most regular troopers are cowards compared to the high morale warriors of the legion.
30:20 You know that's the first time I heard this. I never heard Hegelian Dialectics used AGAINST Caesar and how despite him talking about synthesis, he never changed Legion besides replacing Graham. That's a very good point!
They wouldn't even need to change much, game implies that without Courier, Legion is more likely to win, Legion just needs to modernize everything slightly, and try to be, better negotiators? Try to work with Mojave tribes. I wonder if it would be way cooler ending if Legion actually KEPT their words to Khans? Imagine you doing Legion oath thinking you gonna be bad boy and assimilate Khans, only to learn that Legion kept his promise and turned them into a better faction. Also idk if you heard this but there was a video about how BOS and Legion alliance makes more sense then NCR BOS alliance. Caesar, instead of eradicating them, could've used them. He said his warriors are forbidden from using (or even seeing) too high tech, like Securitrons. What if he incorporated BOS into Legion mythos? Where BOS basically serves the role of Tech scavengers, they remove technology that Caesar deems "bad" and BOS gets to "keep dangerous tech from tribals" it's literally perfect Unity whete both sides benefit . Seriously I think my proposal for Khans and BOS wouldn't change Legion much but would atleast make a better argument for why Legion is more stable. If Caesar followed his advice of dialectics, he should've changed his tactics. He should've let some tribes stay like Khans, or incorporate some tribes without eradicating their identity entirely, like BOS. If they'd done that, they'd have way stronger Mojave again NCR
I always found yes man kind off creepy, the way he can't die and all. Better have Mr house at that point, at least he's killable
"If you have land and they want them, they'll take it. Eventually. They kept rolling over people. They'll regreret, that's how revolution starts"
-Marcus.
The same Brotherhood that choose to ally with one of their most hated enemies would surely and unequivocally never even consider some sort of deal with House.
The "best ending" is NCR with every single faction working alongside them and the courier saving the strip from destruction via legion/omertas. This means sparing the BoS and that House must be killed. I would argue annexing Primm into NCR law is the starting point for the region being protected. There aren't many towns left thanks to the Legion. Only Nipton really requires protection which they sort of already have thanks to Boone and Manny as well as being relatively close to Ranger Station Charlie.
Nipton was destroyed as was Nelson. Other major towns have people willing to fight to protect their towns. Freeside has the Kings, Nellis has the boomers and no one is fucking with them, Jacobstown is far enough away to not be a concern especially with Mutant guards no one is waltzing in to kill them.
This leaves the powder gangers, and Great Khans. Powder Gangers offer nothing of value and both the NCR and Legion would wipe them out without a second thought.
Great Khans however will show up and fight in the battle or you can convince them to leave.
I don't trust house not because of him as a person but more along the sense that he is one man. And that one man goes unanswered and unopposed and like Yes Man can't really die, unless the courier does it. He'll live on even longer. And if memory serves was silent and dormant for literally years until recently. Who's to say his technology doesn't begin to malfunction or break down or somehow a parasite does kill him at that age? What happens if house just keels over or his body goes into shock or something? While o agree the NCR has its flaws it also has the most people willing to fight for what they think is right. They are the best choice because there is not just one on top of the pyramid making decisions. House's plans die with him just as the Legion dies with Ceasar. And that could happen at any time. The NCR has some level of sustainability. Overstretched yes. But the average soldier and person within it isn't some corrupt politician. And even then, the NCR still isn't nearly as awful as most of their critics say. Sure you have to pay taxes. Too bad how do you expect a government to run and laws to be made and soldiers to fight and clear your roads. The NCR is simply overstretched, that doesn't mean they don't want to help people. They can't. That's why they need allies. And to me that's the only true best ending. The one that benefits the most people in the immediate short term so towns can begin to provide their own self appointed sheriff's and things of that nature. NCR doesn't have to hold it all. Just a clear majority of the region. With bos and boomers and other factions patrolling their job gets instantly easier. They also won't have to occupy dozens of camps around the Mojave. That's hundreds of troops who can be reassigned to clearing roads, checkpoints, caravans. Ncr isn't perfect but to me it's best because it's humanity coming together more so then a man and his vision for it. I wouldn't trust a billionaire who likely benefited from the corruption of an old world to build a new one. He's just as prone to saying fuck it as anyone else is this equation. Only he doesn't have to answer to anyone. The NCR has laws. Meaning people can enforce them. Not everyone is corrupt or doing things that are awful. Their nation has lasted an incredibly long time, they are the best choice. Their track record proves it. If they have the man power and resources out west to come back and take the dam then they have enough to hold the region during peacetime. Legion is simply too big to do all of it at once. Without a war to fight NCR will continue to grow as it does.
It’s amazing how fallout new vegas CZcams videos are still being made
Beautiful video and expansive summary! I love your attention to details and facts, truely amazing work of art!
This is one of the best and succinct discussion about this topic. You brought up points that I feel most of the other analysis videos missed out on. Especially the part about Yes Man blows my mind why every video I saw missed such a significant point.
Mr House - he's gonna take humanity to the stars, that lad!
Good commentary on Yes Man - everyone seems to ignore the obvious red flag with his ending - he'll become "more assertive." What could go wrong? It's not an "independent New Vegas ending", it's basically the "ChatGPT becomes self-aware and AI takes over" ending.
Edit: Overall I've always agreed that Mr House is the best choice, and the only concern is - will he actually live as long as he thinks, in order to progress humanity? Because if he dies, we get the same story as the Legion if Caesar dies - everything falls apart.
It's canonical from Joshua Sawyer that Yes Man's upgrade is so that no one can take him from you like you did from Benny, not that he was going his own way. Not a red flag imo
Can you send the statement
@@DiegosBloodspray"That he will not just roll over for the next person to walk up to him in the Courier's absence. I.e. he will become a somewhat-independent steward instead of a powerful tool for any random person to use for nefarious purposes."
First video I've seen of yours and I'm really digging your! I'm usually an NCR simp but I enjoy videos like yours that challenges that perception- I regularly flip between NCR and Mr. House as the least shit outcome.
This. Both NCR and Independent offer faint seeds of hope in their different ways.
It’s a shame the legion quest line isn’t as good as the others cause I think there is something to the idea that a society that is totally destroyed cannot just have a democracy and expect it to work correctly without citizens that have a shared understand of western culture that created it in the first place. The most citizens of the Mohave are simple and brutal without much understanding for why they do what they do, it’s not a surprise they can’t run a modern government.
“Have a blessed day” i appreciate it
>"b-b-but the Legion will fall once Caesar dies!!!"
>"My one teeny tiny complaint about House is he doesn't have a successor"
Caesar's death is dead ass guaranteed, house is immortal, they are not the same
House's death is a matter of ifs, whilst Caesar's a matter of when.
Great video! I feel like this is a really comprehensive, well-informed breakdown of all the factions, with plenty of evidence drawn from the game to support your claims, even the ones I didn't personally agree with. A good watch for anyone interested in New Vegas, be they longtime fans or newcomers to the game. Well done! :)
The absolute powerhouse that Six is with the White Legs, Big MT., the Sierra Madres holomachines reverse engineered, Veronica in charge of the local Brotherhood, any crazy shit pulled out of The Divide, etc,.
I play TTW so I also have an alien mothership.
I love that OG Fallout HUD mod you have installed
32:00 One of the many lines implying that Independent(and technically House) ending is the best. NCR doesn't need to be destroyed, they just need to be stopped from becoming a monster of the West or prevent them from collapsing, Mojave campaign being a success will only lead to more expansionism since "well it worked the first time so what the heck? We might ad well keep goin!"
39:19 Actually I think they leave during the different quest, the one where you have to choose between saving a couple of people trapped in the vault at the caust of NCR sharecroppers lossing their water supply entirely or vise versa. If you let Westside leech water from Sharecroppers they should stay I believe, it's only vault quest that makes them leave
Honestly I’m incredibly suprised you only have 1.5k subs man this video was so well done in terms of editing and narration style and being concise, great work keep it up! 👍
NCR and House are the two best options, but there really isn’t a “good” ending. Just an ending that doesn’t turn everything into even more of a dystopia than it is. The one where Mr. house and and NCR work together is basically the best one, but another comment does a better job explaining that one.
Then again, I haven’t played Vegas in forever. I am certainly not up to speed on the current ideas being thrown around.
This is a really good video. Well thought out and well produced. Keep up the good work.
Would love to see more video like this on fallout new vegas from you! The music the style and lore stuff is perfect! Amazing video well done.
I would just like to say on Caesar's Legion, that you kind of misrepresented them in some areas.
-First, they do not really intend to use the dam. As their society shuns the use of technology, it seems they mainly intend to use it as a bridge to march their troops across the river and invade the Mojave.
-While they aren't mentioned assimilating any tribes other than the great khans, I'm fairly certain a large amount of their soldiers are actually born into the legion, so taking slaves as they do furthers that goal.
-It can also be seen throughout the game that Caesar is grooming the Courier as an heir to the throne, so while without courier intervention he would die and pass the mantle to Lanius, it seems the Caesar himself does not wish for him to lead the legion.
-You also mention that they have no agriculture, but I think it is important to keep in mind that we only ever see their army camps and never their towns, cities, farms, etc. likely because of time restraints. They also likely have tribal healers, and while maybe not as well educated as doctors would still fill the role.
-Lastly, I think the point Caesar is making with his Hegelian dialectics speech is that the NCR is too large to simply assimilate like the other tribes he has conquered. He would have to make concessions for his subjects to accept the rule of their master which would fundamentally change the Legion. A lot of people point out the hypocrisy of "the NCR is based on an old society, it is doomed to be destroyed" but I think that Caesar believes that through this transformation, he will create a brand new society based on nothing before.
Granted, I do not support the Legion, I actually think they are the worst ending, I just thought the arguments they make deserve more credit than given in the video.