The Cane Creek Tigon shock made me build the ultimate fork!
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This Cane Creek Tigon shock was sent to me at no charge from my friends at Cane Creek. I have not been paid by Cane Creek. I purchased the Marzocchi Z1 Coil fork last year, and the Grip2 damper this year, both at some discounted, industry pricing.
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00:00 Chapters
0:54 Sick Montage
1:12 Installing the Tigon
3:28 Why not a Cascade link
4:06 What is the Tigon shock
5:40 Endura!
6:39 Trail bike set up: Fox 36 and Float X
7:07 How is the Tigon?
10:32 Better shock, BETTER FORK?!
10:54 Building the Z1 Coil Grip2
12:10 Cats
12:25 Riding the Z1Coil Grip2 - Krátké a kreslené filmy
Don’t care what’s it’s about, I’m gonna watch it just for Jeff
Thanks Bud!
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I'm running a cane creek coil shock with a valt progressive coil on my V2 Ripmo with a cascade link. Like you, the 36 Grip 2 up front started to feel a little lacking. so I got the Vorsprung smashpot coil conversion with HBO. My word, I think I've stumbled upon the holy grail suspension setup on my Ripmo!
As a lighter rider (140lbs geared), I've struggled finding good air settings that aren't too harsh. I switched to coil front and rear on a Stumpy Evo with the cascade link last year and I really can't say enough good things about it. I was able to slow down the damper and add slightly higher spring rate, and it feels amazing, plush off the top, supportive in the middle, more predictable like Jeff said and no issues with bottom out with HBO on both. Not sure I'll ever go back to air, just night and day better. RS RC2T with Springdex, and Vorsprung RS Pike.
I could see the Tigon being a great choice on the Stumpy, especially if riding the mullet link. I preferred the Stumpy with dual 29" wheels, the slack headtube cup, and the mullet link in back. A bit taller, still slack. The TIgon would help a lot with that.
This is the dude to watch. The reviews are spot on and he shreds so hard it’s just fun to watch, even though I worry for his safety😂
A rear shock with a name that's one letter off from my first name, and is a combo air and coil shock? Instantly fell in love.
😂 right on Tivon!!!!
The revenge from the nerds scene is classic.
So glad someone finally got the reference 😂 thanks Ty!!!
Its an interesting shock definitely want to try one! They said no negative spring in the ramp up tube they use a small coil in the shock to act as a negative spring so no friction stick like an air shock. This was their reply to some that think it'll be like an air shock sound's good to me!
been running the tigon on my bike for a few months and I love it. Best shock ever
Great feedback, thanks.
@@JeffKendallWeed good to know I'm not the only one that struggled with the hsc knob, I nearly broke my thumb trying to loosen it 😂
@@aledska same here, i even emailed Creek and they responded with just use the tool to set it and after some riding itll loosen up. i actually dont mind the stiffness thanks to the included hex tool. if it didnt come with that it would be more annoying
The Tigon shock sounds interesting, I'm just wondering what it does better than a coil with hydraulic bottom out (HBO)? Nice riding as always Jeff.
@@BenSch100 Never tried a HBO shock, but comparing it to my previous air shock i can say it feels similar to that. I'm 165 lbs running a 450lb spring and 25psi in the chamber. It's plenty supple and grippy off the top, and it progressively gets more resistant the further you go through the stroke. I like a lot of bottom out resistance so that's why I have it set so high. Most people i've talked to run 17-23psi.
Oh damn, throwback to the tree crash. That was NASTY.
i got a tigon on my first ground up build, still havent finished yet. glad to see some more content on the shock. i bought it solely from the starling video. ive got the 650-760 sprindex on it. i got it through Klarna so it wasnt such a punch to the wallet
I washed out bad at south mountain with road rash all the way down one side of my body but my Endura shorts don't have a scratch. True story. I love those shorts.
I have the humvee pants and jacket very nice fit but good to know if I wash out they'll help 😂👌
Glad to hear that, Teach!
On the road, or on national?
@@jeffrogers2180 National
You did it! I'm 2 months into having Tigon on my firebird and it's been a welcome change for composure on chunk (trying to give turning or pop input over rocks/roots)! Stoked to hear what you've found it to be like on the ripmo! I'm running a 450lbs spring with about 20 psi in the chamber.
How heavy, or light should I say are you?
Nice set up! I enjoyed the Fox shocks on the Firebird as well, and did not have a massive preference for the Fox DHX over the X2 even. Would be fun to try the Firebird again, it's been 2 years now!
@LaurentiusTriarius I'm 195 with gear. I run a 450 coil (tried a 500 first). The damping is good enough that you can pre load your way between and more miss our on support (IMO). I mostly race my firebird, but I'm by no means the fastest or hardest charger. Most of the things I like about the Tigon of likely find on other coils, but for me the advantages of the air chamber were great enough to try it.
@@JeffKendallWeedthat video tipped the scales for me to get one! It's still unchanged since then, but I have a feeling the two chains dw link high pivot maybe in store for the next Gen (if the trends are to be believed) and that'll likely be a year or two yet
Running my V2S with a Kitsuma DB coil and Lyrik Ult w Buttercups and it’s amazing.
Going to wait for you Jeff to test on the newest DVO 38 and jade x or topaz Prime. If it ever hapoens😊
Love that Jeff! The bike just looks way more grounded all the way around which is great for me because I love not feeling like I'm questioning what's going on down below
Looks like a fun combo. I am still Rocking my Rimpo V1. No upgrade love for me from Cascade or a coil, but I still love it and can not justify changing.
Nice. Keep rocking hard.
Oh now.... I've got a GRIP2 damper in my garage and a new pair of Z1 Bomber Coils, now i know i can mate them together.....i know what I'm doing later!! Thanks Jeff
The Z1 Coil is on my "want-to-have-but-dont-need" list for a while but after Jeff's previous review I concluded that I don't need it next to my Fox36/Fox38 Grip2 and ZEB\Lyrik Ultimates but it's Red and has a Coil was my only reasoning before. And now Jeff is telling us with a damper upgrade to Grip2 it's actually great?! This is the ONE more reason I needed to convince myself to get one now!! Haha! Thanks Jeff..
That HSC knob is super tight at first but once it breaks in you can move it without the tool. I also felt like the shock was much better as it broke in. I’m 230lbs and love the support I can get with this thing without the harshness that the X2 at 300psi provided. A light rider may not have the same results but that seems to be par for the course with Cane Creek suspension.
Thanks for the feedback, I look forward to the knob being easier to turn!
I love love love my z1 coil ! I got it "used" new in box off marketplace. For the price i paid its the best performing fork i could get my hands on. Really transformed my bike.
Toss a Grip2 damper in there and crank up the HSC, it'll feel great and have some good support!
The right shock will make a frame suspension design better. Found out a long time ago by swapping a shock out and it was day and night. Last year, wound up having to do it again on new frame that never felt right, put a new Cane Creek rear shock on and instantly transformed the bike.
Swapping the stock shocks off the Yeti SB160 and Pivot Shuttle SL helped those bikes immensely! Sometimes product managers decide they want their bike to “pedal well.” As a result they spec waaay too much damping. It’s a common issue with companies that sell complete bikes thru retailers. The parking lot test ride is seen as very important. In reality most modern bikes pedal just fine with lower damping- and better off road with less damping too.
I just bought a used 2022 Altitude with a 36 grip two equipped with a Push Acs3 coil conversion, where the last 30% of the travel is air, which absorbed bumps way better then my air grip 2 38, also is very similar concept that would be the perfect paring for that shock, linear bikes… my altitude works great with a DHx2
I think you’ll really like a vorsprung smash spot coil conversion on your fox 36. That HBO really is a game changer.
Been on a tigon for a few months, thrown it on a number of bikes. Rascal, stumpjumper, and even understroked on a gen 1 levo sl.
Absolutely amazing, some good insight on design in a podcast with cane creek and starling. (Running higher than 30 psi…)
Had same issues with knobs as well, gave it the tough turn, found a happy place maybe? Guess I’ll reach out myself
Edit. Shit you may of swung me on a dampener for my z1 I just scooped off ep for that Levo sl contraption
Love me some Devilcross
Nice Ceppie Maes BMX T-shirt, going way back!
Haro represent!
Im going for a Z1 coil with the new MRP Lift damper. Paired with a Cane Creek Kitsuma DB coil shock on an Intense Tracer 279 (plenty of ramp in the frame). Hoping it will be the ultimate setup.
Great video as always Jeff. Wondering if anyone has tried their ripmo with the vivid air?
Been running Fox 36 with a vorsprung smashpot for one year now/grip 2 damper also... completed a 100mi ride in the gnarliest of terrain and my hands were still begging for more... this has not been the case in the past when my hands have become wrecked after considerably less mileage in the same terrain
Hey Jeff, loved this video! a video about cockpit set up would be interesting, I’ve recently been experimenting with stem length, stack hieght and bar width… just an idea! I’d be curious to know your preferences given your unique riding style that many of wish to emulate!!
Thanks Dream! I may just do that…. So many video ideas, such little time!!! I did do a video about bar width a few years ago. Wider bars slow your steering and make your smallish bike feel bigger. The more interesting bit was that on bigger bikes you can go narrower to get a more nimble and playful feel. I am 760-770 width these days. More often at 770 recently.
@@JeffKendallWeed great info! I’ve been stuck on 760 as a bit of a sweet spot
Great video! Perfect timing. I did back to back comparisons at snowshoe last weekend of a carbon ripmo on Fox factory suspension (38 fork) and a ripmo AF with the coil fork and coil shock. The AF was so plush and didn’t kill my hands on 1500’ descents. The carbon killed my hands but it was more poppy and slightly more fun at times. Wonder if the frame material matters that much or the coils front and rear made all the difference? Curious what your thoughts are Jeff.
The AF is a pretty flexy bike- for me, that’s not a good thing. It’s highly distracting and zaps my confidence. I think most of what you’re noticing is a combo of the poppy air suspension as well as the likely 4lbs of weight difference between them. 2lbs between af and carbon. And 2lbs between coil and air.
I liked what you did there. The bike looks ready for free ride and bike parks. How were the uphill climbs after you made the changes?
It climbs about the same. The Bike gained a little bit of weight but not enough for me to notice. Compared to even the shuttle SL it’s still lighter.
Wait till you try the new Ripmo. You probably already know since your friends with the people of Ibis. Although, I'm not entirely sure why they are going to ship them stock with Fox Float X and a 36 and 38 and no X2. Maybe they've watched some of your videos. 😂
Great video, contrary to the other says, I love the looks of the ripmo, how thus this compare to Giant Reign 2020-2022 29er? Since they almost had the same amount of travel and geometry if you ever ridden one.
Thanks for the note Joe! I have not ridden a Giant Reign, sorry! Giant is not a popular brand where I live (PNW).
Can you review the Gt force ?
I assume one drawback would be having to shipping it back for servicing?
Three words: Push. Eleven. Six.
I love my Ripmo AF, I love it even more once I “Long-Shocked” it. There’s enough room between the clevis and the seattube to stuff in an 8.5x2.5 shock and give the ol girl 165mm of rear travel. Sadly the carbon one can’t do this.
I *had* been using a 2018 Cane Creek Double barrel coil with a VALT spring, on my 2019 AF but after Cane Creek was unable to supply parts for a rebuild and it’s been torn apart for 6 months, I’m pretty leery of the life span of CC products.
I should try the long shock thing on my AF, but I have my one remaining 8.5x2.5 on a mini moto, and it works too good there!!!
@@JeffKendallWeed I love the Ripmo, but I always felt like it was a reverse mullet: party in the front, business in the back. In the AZ chunk I could use up the 147mm rear end too quickly. The extra 20mm gives the bike a proper 'enduro' feel. Like a poor-man's Pivot Firebird.
any chance Forbidden bike review? 😊
They should send you a helm fork to try out vs Fox?
That would be interesting!
Do you believe the Tigon has enough ramp up with that air chamber to rival HBO from rockshox?
I have not done back and forth comparison between the latest super deluxe on any bike that I am familiar with. The Spectral may have had it, but I don't recall.
I love everything about it but the name reminds me of a suv you'd find in GTA.
Hahahaha yeah the name is a little unusual!
Do you still like the Cascade Components link better than this shock? And would you still be running the link if it fit your bike?
I mentioned in the video that the Cascade link makes the Ripmo V2S swingarm contact the front triangle at top out, creating a noticeable clunk. Yes, the shock is better than the link. I think a Float X shock would be my first choice before either a link or a Tigon.
Cane Creek builds what could essentially be the ultimate shock to work on nearly EVERY bike on the planet... but yet produces it in VERY few sizes... Dear Cane Creek, take notes from Rock Shox here and produce this in more sizes and you will have more customers
Great feedback, Mike.
How do you think the tigon would feel on the old frame with a cascade link?
I am running it with 30 psi which is its max. It is certainly not too progressive for me. It would probably be pretty rideable if the Cascade on the V2. I’ve never tried a V1 with a cascade link.
How would u compare this to a standard coil shock such as ohlins, rocksxhox or fox?
I have no back to back experience on the Ripmo with coil vs air, so unfortunately, I'd be guessing if I were to report anything to you. My guess is that the Tigon ramps more, but it's only a guess. I don't think any of them will change your life though.
I give a flying large flour tortilla if your coil uses air.
😂 💩
@Jeff Kendall-Weed hey mate , love your channel , riding style & brutally honest review 👍 but as a former moto mechanic in the 80s-90s i can 100% confirm progressive coil ( yes PROGRESSIVE) have been around for at least 50 years and as it’s literally as simple as tighter wound coils at the top ( soft for small bump compliances)and wider from middle to bottom for support and stop you bottoming out ! Maybe I’ve oversimplified it , as it is a science to get it right and yeah you may have to try a few to get it right but once it’s dialled there’s nothing better 😎 I’m not sure why the whole bike industry keeps saying “ Coils are Linear” when they must know progressive coils are available 🤔or maybe if it was as simple as that they couldn’t sell you a new amazing shock to extract more dollars 💵 from you as I’m sure the right coil is way cheaper than upgrading to a shiny new shock 😜
Jeff fwiw you are not the only one who considers the Ripmo to be the gold standard... can someone please find me a better bike? And do plead your case... i'd love to hear others thoughts
Thanks for all the comments, Mike. I enjoy the Rocky Mtn Altitude a TON, but it's an enduro bike, not a trail bike.
@@JeffKendallWeed2024 or 2021 Altitude? They are pretty different bikes no?
It's too bad Marzocchi doesn't make coil with air bottom out anymore
I really liked my z150.
@@ixcel83 I've still got some z1 sport RV 150mm and dj3s
Nice. Great free ride forks.
I’m confused with this offering, because everything I’ve read and you say make it seem like an ideal DH shock. And yet they don’t make it in any DH sizes. Perhaps in the future?
Anyone know how tall Jeff is? I remember him recommending ibis bikes in medium for his size, but forgetting what that was
Why not ride a MRP with a progressive spring?
I walked out to my backyard just to double check, but unfortunately, none of the trees back there are sprouting MRP shocks with progressive springs.
Tiger+Lion = Ty(or Taig) uhn
Just sent you a DM, obviously I enjoyed the video.....just not into spending more $$$ 😂
Gotcha! Yea no need to spend $1k on a whole new shock… unless you want tweak the fork as well, and to have a whole different riding experience.
ya--just wait until your body hits 70--I'm back ot riding blues
Dear Cane Creek please add HBO to the Tigon... pretty please... I'd rather smash into wet sand than smash into a flat basketball
Have you ridden the tigon?
11:36 @JeffKendallWeed you might wanna take a look at those spokes on the rear wheel
Ya lost me when you mentioned the price.
Dang. I need a shock for my Ripmo, but I’m in law school and can’t afford one!
You should prepare for all your cases councellor
You need or want? You can make this work. I believe in u
Go for a used Float X, used Super Deluxe, or a used Ohlins TTX!
get it with klarna, paid 450 up front then 125 for the remainder, no interest. easy for me and my inability to budget properly.
@@JeffKendallWeed I ended up getting a used DVO Topaz, which is the same as the one I destroyed.
Pemberton ate my original shock.