$449 Dwarf III Smart Telescope - Is there a reason NOT to buy one?
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- čas přidán 16. 07. 2024
- So the Dwarf III Smart Telescope is finally here at a suprisingly low price of under $500 ($449 early bird) which according to the specifications offers a significant improvement over the Dwarf II of a larger optical train (35mm vs. 24mm), update Starvis 2 sensor from Starvis 1, and you can image up to 60 seconds which is 4x longer than the orginal Dwarf II's 15 second exposure cap.
I mean what more could you want? (I mean I want Hubble, but I'm greedy like that).
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Chapters:
0:00 Dwarf III is Now the Smart Telescope to Beat
0:47 Dwarf III Core Improvements
1:45 Dwarf III Solar Filter
2:53 Ai Noise Reduction for Astrophotography
4:51 Dwarf III's onboard Sky Atlas
7:53 Using Dwarf III's Astro Plan
10:31 Capturing a Solar Eclipse with the Dwarf III
11:46 Mosaic Imaging using a Smart Telescope
14:04 All Around Functional Improvements
14:51 Bird Tracking with the Dwarf III
15:27 Side by Side comparison of the Dwarf III vs. Dwarf II Smart Telescopes
22:08 Final Thoughts on why you haven't run out and bought a Dwarf II Yet.
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I already have a Dwarf 2 that I love. I bought the Dwarf 3 on confidence as soon as it was announced. I can't wait for it to arrive!!! 😁
Glad to hear it Jones! I think people will be quite pleased once it’s in their hands!
Lots of words but no actual side by side real photograph comparisons. Or did I miss that as I kept fast forwarding through all the specs and talking? What l want to see is something like a photo of Orion nebula that's as spectacular as what I've taken with 2, and then be blown away with the Orion nebula taken with 3. Simple. If it doesn't do that, and it still can't do planets, then for me it's not worth upgrading.
Units have not been released yet, I’ll be getting a unit for review (hopefully) by the end of the month. At which time I’ll be doing side-by-side live streams of the units and more in-depth review.
Orion Rises into the sky around late September (unless you like imaging at 4am in the morning then start of September) so I’ll be doing side by side of nebulas like Trifid or Lagoon Nebulas.
This improvement is great to see. I’m new to Astrophotography as a result of the cloudy solar eclipse experience (Niagara On The Lake, Ontario). I didn’t realize how expensive the hobby can be, as well as complicated. I was hoping to use one of my DSLRs and lenses, thinking I can do it for cheap, LOL. I’m currently in the process of building an OG Star Tracker (3D printed, open source software, about $230 Cdn spent). But, if an all in one, easy to travel with solution can be a gateway drug, and under $1K, it’s worth it. I’m hoping this update to the DWARF pushes for the next gen Seestar50, and get a bit more aperture and a slightly higher price, with the mosaic ability. Then I’ll get that.
Yeah, not sure ZWO’s next SeeStar is going to be, a lot of speculation of S70, S80 or S100. I expect 80mm but it could still be another year or two away as that big of optics will need heavier motor drive to operate.
I received another $50 discount from Dwarf Labs since I had purchased a Dwarf2 from them. A good upgrade and will gift the Dwarf 2 to a family member so they can enjoy the night sky. Does anyone know what happened to Astro-Dwarf Adventures? Haven't seen him online in quite awhile.
No idea unfortunatly to the fate of Astro-Dwarf.
Yes I'm going to gift my Dwarf II to a family memeber once I get some side-by-side comparisons done between the units,
Took my dwarf2 back had it 6 months it won't turn on at all but when I put power to mains battery lights flash as charging,anyhow ended up doing a straight swap 4 the dwarf3 when it arrives in August
Sorry to hear about your Dwarf 2, but yay on the Swap for a Dwarf 3!
Are filters extra ? Does the 3 do mosaic ? If the 3 does mosaics than shouldn’t a firmware be available for 2?
There are apparently 2 built-in filters and it should come with moasic mode. I’m hoping moasic gets some integration into Dwarf II, at the very least a basic system so it will take the overlapping photos but I doubt it will stack them in camera for the Dwarf II due to limited computing power.
The logical next step is to have a motorised EQ mount that automatically polar aligns itself or at minimum the ability to EQ mount it and change from AZ to EQ in the software
Actually given it has 2 cameras on board it should be pretty able to indicate on the app for polar alignment, but yeah it would be cool if it self-aligned.
@@EmberSkyMedia puzzled that nobody has done it yet
@@terrybrooks395 Would require a 3rd-axis motor to align the telescope's 2-axis to be in the right position.
The s50 beats on aperture 50mm v35mm ,and also focal length 250 v 150.
True, but the Dwarf 3 is 4K camera vs. A vertical 1080p, so there is a trade off depending what you want to image.
@@EmberSkyMedia yeah not keen on the vertical aspect only of the s50 .
While some of the upgrades are great the lack of expandable storage doesn't make sense to me. Why would one remove that?
I’m guessing (I don’t know) but that should improve the weatherproofing not having ports for the batter and the miniSD card. Now the only “port” is the USB.
Will the dwarf3 get good images of Saturn and Jupiter
It should be able to see Jupiter, but it won't be great as Jupiter is Tiny! (Saturn is even smaller and for the next year or so you won't see the rings as they are almost dead on facing us). To get decent images of planets you need a BIG telescope, my 8" is "decent" but a 12" or larger would do much better (like a 12" dobsonian).
From the spec sheet it seems that the 128gb is built in and no external card slot or a microSD ?
Built in, given it’s only an 8MP camera that’s plenty of space and you just download the footage off the camera from time to time and transfer it to your mobile or computer for further processing.
@@EmberSkyMedia I own the Dwarf II but DwarfLab offered an incentive loyalty discount so I have bought the Dwarf III, delivery expected starting end of August in time for the cooler clear nights of autumn (UK weather however is unpredictable). I will have a Dwarf II deluxe with 3 batteries for sale in time for Xmas for some lucky person.
Big problem is that if i buy now the shipping start on september 2024 :( :( :(
Too much time, i don't undestand why.
It’s a pre-order, I’m assuming as they are trying to figure out how many to make in the first run.
@@EmberSkyMedia (sorry for my bad english i'm italian)
Thanks for the answer :)
i think yes, but in this months i think people for the summer buy Seestar o another smart telescope.
This moment, in my ingorance, is a perfect moment to buy smart telescope because summer is near and the evenings are perfect to see the stars with friends or better to make public nights with a lot of people (i personally organize two or three public nights in my town).
I hope that not miss this perfect moment to ship and sell Dwarf III
@@Paolo14984 Yes, it would be ideal to have the Dwarf III in our hands now vs. later in the Summer. That is always the case but as you learn in this hobby, there is always something new coming up in the east :)
Of course there is a reason. It's called the Zwo Seestar
Depends on what you want, each has its own strengths and weaknesses.
How does it compare to the seestar s50 ?
I’ll hopefully be doing a side by side comparison at the end of month or early August once I have a review unit in my hands.
@@EmberSkyMedia look forward to it 👍
I'm going to get the Dwarf 3. I was one of the early purchasers of the 2 - paid for it back in November of '22 and got it in February of 23. Had a lot of fun with it, but I'm sold on how the 3 has so many improvements. It's an absolute no-brainer.
Agreed, solid improvement for the price.
Bugger… There goes the value sale of my DWARF 2….LOL
Such is the life cycle of technology.
Yep, But the value of the Dwarf 2 plummented when Seestar came out.
@@johnsmith-rd9rr yeah the seestar S50 caused the Dwarf II re-sale price to drop. I don't think the 3 had a signficant effect except that more people are trying to sell this week and last, and maybe a blip in September when the units are in people's hands.
In all honesty, as a Dwarf 2 owner looking at the specs, its a AVOID. Why? It has MINIMAL improvements compared to the Dwarf 2 and pales compared to the Seestar, for the same money. It will be nice to see a real review from a non-paid Dwarf Labs content creator.
Just to be clear, Dwarf Lab didn't pay me to make this video (they didn't even know I made it until after), or any of my videos (they did send me a review unit to review but they didn't pay me to say anything in my videos).
Improvements are not "MINIMAL" as larger optics + better sensor + EQ Mode 60 seconds should add up to significantly better images. And the ability to use the wide field camera as well is a nice bonus.
Should Dwarf II users upgrade, that's a harder question to answer, depends on how much of an improvement it ends up being and if the SeeStar S50 is more your flavour. But honestly the Dwarf II is quite capable and if you own one be happy to use it and not worry about "should you upgrade" until we see some hands-on comparisons, then decide what direction is best for you.
Of course, model 3 is better, and if you buy it as your first device, then of course it’s better to choose model 3 than model 2. But if I already have Dwarf 2, then of course I won’t buy Dwarf 3.👎
Actually the 3’s upgrades are pretty significant it might be one of those rare times where upgrading is truly worth it. But the question becomes how much can you sell the Dwarf II for and right now I’m seeing $250 but by the time the Dwarf 3 is in your hands… resale of the 2 might be like $150 so it is an additional investment.
@Grigorych's comment pretty much sums it up. If you have the Dwarf 2, then wait for upcoming models. Otherwise, the Dwarf 3 is good, since it is more of incremental upgrade to the Dwarf 2. You have to factor in the loss you'll incur by selling the Dwarf 2 and see if that "extra cost" is worth the price of a new Dwarf 3. But hey.. if you have disposable income, please keep supporting DwarfLabs 🙂
@@ntt2k True, its not a completely new telescope that it totally different, it's a solid improvement though. I'm planning to do side-by-side comparisons and then for me at least, a family member has expressed interest in the Dwarf II.
its not a signifcant improvement for someone who isnt paid by Gwarf labs.@@EmberSkyMedia
No,its not a significant improvement. And why havent you mentioned anywhere that taking 60 sec subs with the 3 will make the final stacked image even worse than the 2? Field Rotation errors.....@@EmberSkyMedia
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At a point, optical design and element size will limit performance. Especially if you want fine details on your targets. Otherwise I’d just use my wide f1.2 lens all the time.
Thanks, but no thanks!
Dwarf buggy app needs to be fixed before lunching a new hardware. Have both Dwarf 2 and Seestar S50 and S50 works flawless and I wish Dwarf app would work as good.
I wouldn't mind pay way more for smart telescope with at least 70mm aperture, 280-350mm FL, and 8MP and with optional software feature built-in to mount to proper use it in equatorial configuration. Maybe Dwarf 5 Pro or Seestar 70EQ Pro?
Eventually I think those bigger scopes are going to come, but likely not for another few years unless someone got something hidden under their hat.
@@EmberSkyMedia It might be sooner that we expect. ZWO will certainly not wait for their competitors to win this race. They have re$ources and experience under their belt to come up with nice smart scope. Fingers crossed...cheers!
@@gloomiehoodie I wouldn't mined a SeeStar S80, that way I could directly 1:1 compare it to my WO80mm telescope. Which would be fun.
@@EmberSkyMedia Certainly, S80 with a 320-400mm FL would be a dream for a portable smart scope. I'm down for that!
However, I don't even know if these specs could be achievable without compromising its portability and price accessibility to most hobbyists.
Let's see what ZWO team are capable of.
@@gloomiehoodie I'd expect the price to be just over double the S50 and it to be "portable" in terms of one can carry set it up etc, but I'd expect its more a "rolling case" then the foam briefcase for size.