GEN V: The Risky Spin-Off Of The Boys
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IF SO, SHOULD I WATCH GEN V? ❤
@@VIK_1903 You should definitely watch GEN V. I recommend it.
The first 20 minutes are spoiler free, but you should def watch the show before watching this
@@VIK_1903 the first part no spoilers but yeah it does spoil later and yes please watch it you won't regret it 😀
@@VIK_1903 it depends, if you like good action, good and deep dialogs, great acting- than the answer is no. If you up for shitty script, bad acting, boring and full of wokeness dogshit- this is just must see then.
In asian countries first-born sons are also considered incredibly valuable by their families, which just adds another layer to Jordan’s conflict with their dad
Huh, I didn't know that at all. And that also explains a lot about Jordan's father
@@WaltDevil060We know. China aborted their female population now there's too many boys
I definitely noticed that added layer of their relationship.
Yeah, i hears that since the boys by law had to provide for their elderly parents, during the one Child policy in china people wante male children since they can work more, earn more and the custom/law was they will help the parents financially while girls didnt have to.
@@marthaschmidt6445legally both boy and girl need to provide financially if their elderly parents are to be determined not being able to provide for themselves. But base on traditions, it is believed especially the first son will inherit most of parents assets and provide for their parents. Girls after marriage would be considered to belong to the husbands family and not her father’s family. I think the obsession with having son is that only boys have the right to inherit. So if you don’t have a son, your inheritance will be divided by your brothers, male cousins or even more distant relatives, even if you have daughters. This comes from only sons can pass your last name and only then, this is considered as your bloodline.
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"Like I said, Andre is a really good character and Chance Perdomo effortlessly portrays him. *Very* excited to see where his story goes."
This part *definitely* hurt to listen to now...
i didnt understand please explain
@@inhlebo290 the actor died in a motorcycle crash (I think) earlier this month
@@inhlebo290Chance Perdomo is dead
I just finished the series, I really liked his performance, I had no idea
He deserved it lol
Now see, Emma won me over almost immediately. When Marie got to hang out with the popular kids, yeah it made Emma feel lonely but I loved how you could tell how genuinely happy she was for Marie. I also think her relationship with Sam works, because as he talks about in the end, she is so desperate to be liked, she'll do everything for someone else.
I loved her the wholeeee time
I think it seemed like her character just got pushed to the side and just meant to be Sam's love interest and sometimes sidekick to the others.
Emma and Sam are the only sympathetic/likable characters to me. Andre starts off shitty but ends up being kind of ok
The actress who played her was amazing, had so much personality. Not sure who she is but her future is definitely bright
I also think that is why her and Sam's relationship didn't become super deep because they knew the final act would part the two and they both have issues holding them back from fully committing to each other. She is my favorite as well keeping things light-hearted no matter how F*cked-up things get! When watching this I thought "does she get bigger if she eats more?" and I was right I think her powers, like Marie's, are misunderstood which lead her to using them wrong. Binging to get big is also an eating disorder but hopefully she can come to understand what her powers are meant to fully do!
I think Cate’s switch is a lot more reasonable than you think. Before she killed Indira, it was shown that she stopped taking her medication and could now hear everyone else’s thoughts. She killed Indira because she knew Indira wanted to wipe out all of her friends and she couldn’t trust her friends anymore because they all felt like she was crazy. This paired into the fact that she has extreme guilt for manipulating all of them, she made a sudden move like that because she thinks she is going to make up for it all if she can make a world where her friends are safe. She never really cared about humans anyway
Yes I feel the same way!!!
The amount she cares for humans is also shown in how she used her powers before the twist, she says in ep 1 shes all about consent but she just used her powers on a human to get in. She also only used them on supes before because her mother figure would tell her its better for them. All other instances of her using them was on humans without consent
So do we think that a Cate redemption arc is possible in S2? She was such a tragic character for me i would love to see her be with her friends again...
@rainbownova85 She did use her powers on Rufus thought, who is a supe
@@WaltDevil060 Rufus is a rapist bruv. He is her rapist
Also something I don’t see people talk about Jordan is how when they become defensive/sympathetic in convo they are in male form which is part of their power of being a shield/indestructible and when they want to be confrontational/blunt in a conversation they appear in the form of a female which is their offensive form of their power. That’s really cool
One of the things that never clicked for me about their powers until it was pointed out to me: Male Jordan absorbs kinetic energy, while female Jordan repels it
@@chrishaven1489 Yeah I wish they would have explained that power a little bit better because it didn't dawn on me either until I saw someone else say it elsewhere.
wow, awesome catch.
Now that character is the only person/character i would ever refer to as ‘they’ everyone else that insists on it is cray cray to me and i stay away from them 😅
Are we dead yet?
No?
I can read this and feel dead inside.... 🥲
Emma and Marie's abilities are essentially an allegory to self harming. Emma has to force herself to vomit every time she shrinks, and her mother wants her to look a certain way, struggling with body image. Meanwhile, Marie's ability allows her to open up cuts, but she constantly questions whether she's really heroic, and not a monster.
Interesting observation
but we find out later that its not the only way she can shrink
Yeah but in the last episode we find out that Emma can shrink without having to throw up after Sam talked her down so maybe what the writers were implying depending on how Emma views herself that's how her powers work as well. It may just boil down to how much self confidence Emma has towards herself when she vomits she may shrink because she thinks she is getting skinner and when she eats a ton she gets huge because she thinks all the food she is consuming is making herself fat.
@@ricniks4619I think that can tie into it. Like they both learn ways to use their powers that don’t harm them. Emma now knowing she can control her powers with her emotions can learn to harness that and no longer have to overeat or induce vomiting. Marie learns that she doesn’t have to harm herself to control blood. Obviously these aren’t completely harmless methods but they’re better and can lead to them being more powerful. Also this is still the boys universe so there’s bound to be something messed up with their powers even if they are better than before 😂
@@bdink2605 well i think Emma never had to throw up or eat to change size. i think Emma's mom already was having her do those things before she discovered her power. So she most of believed that how it works.
Agreed: I think most people were super nervous about GenV because Spin-Offs either don't add anything new or try to be something completly different. GenV felt like it was set in the The Boys Universe without being the same thing but in a different font. Very excited for whats to come!
plus how gen v was handled n the comics, for those of you unaware, the gen v comic equilvent is basically "proffesor x if he wasa pedophile" which is basically the boys comic in a nutshell
I honestly prefer it being different because it could make for some interesting storylines later down the line where the cast of Gen V may team up with The Boys since they now know the world isn't all black and white like they were lead to believe and is actually a cruel place where the "heroes" aren't stand up icons like they were lead to believe.
@@darkron288Yeah the comic isn't that good, the show really elevates it
It was one of the reasons I did not watch it right away. Spin Offs usually SUCK!!!! So after the season ended all I heard was good things. So I figured watch it before something gets spoiled. I am glad I did and did not get anything spoiled.
I don't know, it offers the same idea of Superheros being unstables pieces of crap but instead of seeing it from a normal persons eye, you see it from people who want to become that. Just the same idea in a different POV
I feel like Sam's radicalization wasn't abrupt at all honestly. Sam has a 1000 reasons to hate humans considering how pretty much every human he's ever come in contact with has literally tortured him, so it feels less sudden, and more like he always hated humans and seeing a bunch of other supes also hate them was all he needed to decide his hate was justified. Plus, like you mentioned, he's far from mentally stable, and he even manifests Luke as a conscience trying to show him what he's doing is wrong, but we all know how that goes.
It was abrupt BUT understandable given he was tortured by humans his whole life. He was shown only one outlook but explored more, like college students do
He also essentially has no knowledge about what he’s supporting at first and he wanted those people to like him.
100% agree with this take. Shit really had me sitting there trying to rationalize how he got to that point until he's confronted by Emma and he says, "this is what normal looks like to me". And from there it just completely made sense to have this character despise the ppl who (while not all of them are entirely complicit) all had a part in maintaining his captivity, forcing Cate to wipe his and his brother's memories, and continuing to experiment on them albeit out of fear or convenience for the majority of his life at Godolkin. The idea that he would even hesitate when shown an alternative perspective on humans after what he's been subjected has to be some form of hubris, or just purely out of spite and the desire to survive something like that finale as a human lol.
It was understandable, but it never actually seems like he has it out for humans in general until the very last act. He is vengeful against specific people who hurt him, but he never says anything that makes it seem like he feels persecuted for being a Supe. Then he goes to one political rally and goes "I am now an extremist".
dude really speed ran the pipeline, but it makes sense, and definitely a strong allegory for how vulnerable people who have been cast aside or failed by society go into those ideologies very easily.
I was really impressed with how the character of Andre represented chronic pain, something I myself began struggling with in college as well. He maintains a cool aloofness, but peering beyond that facade reveals that he is dealing with stress, anxiety, migraines, and brain fog--the subtle tics he showcases since the beginning of the show, which only become obvious after the reveal at the end, and his reliance on smoking weed as possible self-medication, were dead giveaways in my eyes.
It's a hard thing to pull off, and I honestly haven't seen a lot of media represent it as authentically and thoughtfully as in this show. Major props to Chance Perdomo because the subtlety of his performance is what I think really sells it--so glad to see him showing off his range as an actor!
Hell yeah.... Am also an Andre and I too have never seen such portrayal of a person like that, that well shown on TV before ; I love how Chance really was subtle with it.... Because that's how irl I always struggle with my pain ; only who those who could dig deep would see something ❤
@@chajong00Andre died RIP
RIP to Chance Perdomo. So sad died at the age of 27 as soon as he got his start. 😢
"smartly executed satire, with social & political commentary without feeling the need to treat the audience like theyre dumb"
while i agree with you 100% on this. the amount of people who totally missed that and genuinely believes Homelander is in the right and isnt actually a villain always surprises me (and is concerning). they're literally that "i wonder who's that for" garfield meme. media literacy is dying unfortunately .
That's on them tbh.
It takes a serious amount of stupid to believe that the unhinged lunatic roleplaying mommy intimacy fantasy with a shapeshifter he murders is the good guy.
I mean, the entire point of Homelander is how dangerous he is at any given moment, and how much of a ticking bomb he represented even for "his side"
All he did, was for himself, always.
Which is like the entire fucking opposite of Superman.
Superman is a role Clark Kent plays to separate the superhero from the man, and it's something he came to do as result of his parents raising him to be a good person all around, one capable of helping without looking down on people.
This happens often with Charismatic Villians often, unfortunately.
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@@TheDawnofVanlife So true. Even Cersei Lannister had fans. I was so confused. 😂
my co worker was confused when we said homelanders the antagonist of the boys and it’s crazy to root for him 😭
I like how the boys and gen v writers uses the characters superpowers for an allegory for real life disorders or trauma they have. Kind of similar to how the show misfits write their characters. Not many superhero media does this.
Yes, I think this shocked me the most in how well it was done. I absolutely thought of this as very much like the early seasons of Misfits before it was bogged down with cast changes.
X-Men my beloved, how I wish someone who actually knows how to handle the characters would adapt you
@@notlurking2128 X-Men is fine, no one knows how to handle Jean though and they keep screwing up the Phoenix story line.
@lainiwakura1776 its true about Phoenix
@@lainiwakura1776It’s because they rush it or she’s shoved into the background, so we don’t really get to care about normal Jean enough for the Phoenix saga to have the same weight
Another thing I like about Gen V is the characters all end up being much more than they initially seemed and it's handled expertly. I initially thought Jordan would be the stuck up overachiever, that Cate would be the hot mean-girl, that Andre would be the suckup sidekick, and that Luke would be the shallow popular kid. And while a lot of that is somewhat true, it's DEFINITELy not what defines these characters. My expectations were subverted and I love that. I never thought I would like Cate, but she's an awesome character with so much more going on than I ever could've guessed in the pilot (which one can say that about the entire main cast). Personally, I thought she rocked. Love it.
The thing about Cate was that she never played the "mean girl" part though, and that was the twist because she wasn't as "cool" as she seemed
You're right. What I meant was I believe it was an intentional misdirect and that we were meant to think she would fulfill that role, only to subvert our expectations. Same with the other characters and the archetypes we're supposed to think they'd embodied upon meeting them for the first time, only to find out they're much more @@f.miguelbalde9671
I think kate might secretly be the strongest of the god U kids.
Similar vibes as Sixteen Candles (?): the role you attribute to others, or even yourself, tends to never really encapsulate the very real things that make one human or “real”.
At first I was like 'yeah her power makes it pretty obvious, she's the gaslight gatekeep girlboss archetype' and then it turned out no, consent is actually an important thing to her and he doesn't want to manipulate anyone close to her, but her powers still cause others to distrust her, it's more of a 'don't judge a book by it's cover' kinda thing and then the twist happened and it turned out she was in fact the most nuclear gaslight gatekeep girlboss archetype to ever walk the face of this earth (with a few more layers). Double subversion.
One thing I love about this series is it’s the Boys, but the perspective is switched. Dean Shetty even does exactly to Tek Knight what the Boys do to all the Supes they blackmail. Remember what Butcher said back in season 1 all they care about is their reputations.
I understand Sam wanting revenge against humans, but I find it weird that he went along so easily with the woman who prevented his brother to save him for years by erasing his memories.
true - but i thought his actor did a good job with his line delivery of “justice” after cate kills shetty. it’s like…he realizes that she’s the only other person in the room who feels the gravity of abuse and manipulation that he experienced. their shared understanding of physical isolation + loss made them a really compelling duo in my opinion!
You forget that Sam is extremely mentally ill. Cate wasn't rallying a rebellion, but preying on the mentally ill. Sam didn't follow because he hates humans and trusts Cate, but because his ability to reason and think for himself are broken.
@kirbinato5201 Considering Sam's experiences though, he has plenty of reason to hate humans outside of anything that Cate told him. It's not that "Sam didn't follow Cate because he hates humans" because he literally does and has motivation to. It's not just because he's schizophrenic that he has no motivations. Cate is mentally ill too, the entire cast is traumatized. Cate's perception is warped too and she genuinely believes that supe supremacy is the only way to save her friends. It's really not like this "malicious neurotypical Cate manipulates the mentally ill" deal that you're making it out to be. Like Marie said, they're all fucked up lol.
I thought this somewhat but realized his character has missed a lot of development. He is almost like a child.
Look at how easily he left the room to play on the ice and drink beer. When Emma finds him he is all excited like a child telling her how he drank beer.
He is basically growing up somewhat....he is easily led throughout the show. So no surprise he would side with Cate with little effort.
Remember though, the two characters that he interacted with after he left the room were Cate and Rufus, both telepaths. He was sitting next to Rufus during the Q&A, so whether purposely or subconsciously, Rufus’s ideology could have been effecting Sam’s frail and unstable mind.
I also noticed that with Cate and Sam they kinda speedran arc beats of Homelander and Ryan. Cate's arc mirrors Homelander's from the first season of The Boys: is an isolated and feared supe child > gets under Vought's influence with a meaningful manipulative "mother" figure (Stillwell/Shetty) > murders said figure > becomes radicalized
While Sam's arc mirrors Ryan's: an isolated superpowered child with no knowledge about the outer world > gets freed and sides with the main cast > forms a personal bond with one of the cast > is misguided to willingly choose the other party
Only their isolation circumstances are swapped, with Sam being imprisoned and experimented on in a facility and Cate being hidden from the world in her family house
I feel like cates arc makes sense. She stops taking her medicine around the same time she snapped. Even if that held her powers back it might’ve also been there to help her mentally or her powers also deteriorate her mind, so imo it makes sense why she became fed up and snapped.
I think it was too quick we should have had scenes of her hearing voices as the meds wore off. If she ran to Andre when she was scared or insecure the relationship could have Been developed.
reminds me of jean grey/phoenix
One point of note: Jordan can only create the forcefield attack thingy when they are in female form. In male form their power is to absorb damage. It's why Brink shot them in the first episode and you saw Jordan switch from female to male before the bullet hit, and Brink commented on how fast their "draw" was
Which is I think another interesting deep dive into why their powers manifest in that specific way. Whether it's an allegory for the mental walls men often put up compared to the more outgoing nature of women.
I read it as them being born male so they revert back to being male as a defensive position, cause that's what their parents expect (this is also because of the episode regarding their parents). The trans allegory of having to be the most acceptable version of yourself in order to appeal or absorb people's backlash. I've also noticed that they're a lot more socially daring when in F!form (while it can be chalked up to the actors' acting decisions), perhaps because they're already in a location where they feel safe enough to not be defensive that they're more open.
The crux of this is that both these traits aren't inherently male or female, it's just Jordan, they're both.
@@Whxyte that's a good point
somehow i picked up on the allegory of it but not the actual physical power part 😓@@Whxyte
I think it's because Jordan, being AMAB, sees masculine presentation as endurance and feminine presentation as power. Jordan is always both of their genders, but gender presentation is a different matter entirely.
I missed a lot of what Jordans powers were.
It’s honestly crazy how much the two actors for Jordan look alike. Both actors did a phenomenal job playing that character. They transition seamlessly into the male/female version of that character and it’s so well done.
I was convinced they’re twins in real life 😂😭 even googled it
Are you serious? They look nothing alike to me >_> not all asians look the same ya know..
@@Lulu.Cthulhu who said all Asians look the same? Are you okay? 😂
The age gap between them is what suprised me the most
@@Lulu.Cthulhuboth actors where that good. Why are you being weird?
Such a relief to see gen z-aged characters portrayed with a variety of personalities, ideas, political ideologies, and motivations, all seen through the lens of young people who might be a bit more optimistic about their futures but also cynical about THE future overall because of overexposure to media from very important developmental ages.
political ideologies?
@@phobosex7504 yeah, two of our main characters are supe supremacists
@@BlackXSunlight oh yeah, forgot about that 👍
Screw gen z kids suck but this show is good
@shaylelarue787 screw you too millennial 😊 👋
I think Cate did a lot more damage than I had initially thought.
She broke Luke. She drove him to insanity, and ultimately to him going all supernova. His own girlfriend was mentally abusing and torturing him. However, I don’t think she realized the gravity of what she was doing and was still very much under the influence of Shetty. Doesn’t really excuse anything though…
i think it does excuse it. that's like saying a cult member should be responsible for their own worldview when the whole point of a cult is that they were preyed upon and manipulated to think that way. i think cate is a deeply tragic character and i hope that she finds the strength within herself to break free from brainwashing on both sides and form her own opinions
No it doesn't excuse anything at all, you're right. Yes she was groomed from a very early age so it's hard to know better. But at the same time her choices are still her own. Being groomed or brainwashed is not an adequate excuse to be a horrible person. Otherwise every person with a similar past would stray into a dark path but not all do. Because it's your choice and your conscience at the end of the day. They all became exposed to the evil of the school and chose to fight it and she did not. Granted she was manipulated but at the end of the day, following your conscience is up to you. She has so much power that could've immediately turned the tides but she chose not to. She said it was getting difficult but still looked at Luke everyday while hurting and erasing him. That's on you girl.
@@saintnicole3209I mean...they should be held responsible. It's still a choice to follow.
I think we can all agree that it is super well done. I like that it’s set in college I’m tired of high school narratives and I like it parallels our generation’s lives but in a super hero context. Marie and Jordan’s relationship is the best relationship and very relatable to the problems and aspects that regular people go through nowadays.
THIS!! omg im SO happy it was set in college. Im sick of highschool settings
Agreed. I loved that it was based in a college
Well done? The snarky, Millennial writing is awful. Their idea of snappy dialogue is making references to a shitty movie that came out thirty years ago and David Caruso jokes which, again, weren't funny three decades ago.
@@HarryBuddhaPalm
"millenial writing"
this dude still thinks millenials are the whiny young'uns.
They're 40, dude. Millenial writing is a completely vague buzzword. "millenial writing" used to mean dialogue that is averse to sincere expression, which is not the case here.
Yeah, the show is well written, I'd expect college students to say dumb shit. The bulk of snappy dialogue wasn't outdated references.
@@HarryBuddhaPalm Oh wow. I think you're a generation or two behind.
I want Luke to reincarnate and explain to me how anyone was supposed to believe a single candle mishap turned Brink into charcoal???💀💀😭
It would be so funny if he just threw a melted candle away when she appeared.
To be fair to Luke, spontaneous human combustion is a thing that can happen, and there is usually some form of small flame, like a candle, nearby. That being said, no one would ever buy that Brink spontaneously human combusted, especially at a school full of superpowered students but Luke isn’t really thinking very logically
I haven’t seen the show yet but I just wanna say how much I appreciate that they’re in college and not in high school, especially now that Gen Z’s getting older.
I like that too. I'm sick of the whole Euphoria type thing that has to oversexualize everything in the lives of teenagers who aren't even adults yet. At least here it's still raunchy but they're college kids. Like it's literally that easy, I don't know what's the pull of sexualizing teens.
Yessss!
school is school lol still drama still gossip still cheating still gender nonsense still gay nonsense still teacher nonsense. What the hell do you expect to be different? When they do high school they cast people in their 20s anyway.
Gen V, not Z 😅
@@remuslazar2033 fam u completely missed the context of what I was saying 💀. I'm talking about the AGE/GENERATION of the CHARACTERS. (Unless this was a joke then that's funny lol.)
I loved that Golden Boy wasnt the douchebag popular kid and was a genuinely good person like trying to warn marie that superhero life isnt all its cracked up to be and also representing Sam good side
I think my favorite part of Jordan’s power is when they switch between genders, their powers change. Maybe I missed it or it will change in season 2, but it looks like the feminine presenting Jordan has the energy blasts and masculine presenting Jordan has durability. Someone said attack mode and defense mode.
Yeah it’s more specifically telekinesis and invulnerability. Jordan’s Male form negates powers it seems like.
it's really fun to figure that out especially when it comes to learning about their parents cause as an nb/trans asian kid you learn to pretend to be your birth gender in order to absorb or redirect all the negative emotions/expectations that your parents rain on you. @@khaoss4024
So essentially Aegislash
Nah more like mega mewtoo X and Y son
@@YankstaNZ @MrCheenibum64 I didn’t play past Gen V. Pun intended. I don’t know Pokémon past black and white.
I enjoyed a lot of twists from this show, but the twist with Neuman in episode 7 still sticks with me. Not only does it tease a taste of what Marie is capable of in the future, but it also makes the senator a heck of a lot more dangerous than she initially was.
Yea that was great writing ngl
I mean I wouldn't say more dangerous as head exploding I think is still gonna be her most powerful ability but she can certainly style on people more with blood bending and she has that blood sensing thing which would be interesting to her use
@@spensirmclife6549I mean, should Neumann get more open about it, we’d potentially see her unleash her true powers on a rebellious supe for example.
Or we could see it go the other route, where Neumann employs tactics much stealthier than head popping, like how Marie was able to force a heart attack.
Right. I didn’t even piece it together until her reveal. Even we’ve already seen Marie do what Neuman can. She exploded her parents, but afterwards she focused on using the blood as a physical weapon so it lead us away from making connections until the end. Then they show her explode Cates hand. I thought this way key to the story and excellent way of connecting it to The Boys story.
I loved that seen. When Newman called Marie back, I knew she was the "benefactor". I screamed cus Newman scares the shit out of me. She's my fav villain in the show.
I still find it hilarious that GEN V filmed on my university campus cuz i would be watching an episode and be like "Hey, I used to study in that library!"
Wait really?
@@WaltDevil060 lmao yeah, it was filmed on the UofT campuses. I even recognized the dining hall I used to work at in the background 😭
Sorry, UofT is short for University of Toronto
@nuzhatnayeem1119 that's awesome
@@nuzhatnayeem1119I'm jealous
Sam is strong as fuck, obeys homelander and is a senseless killing machine. I think that, in season 4, they are going to put him behind the Black Noir suit.
I could definitely see that happening.
And seeing how many Black Noir posters Sam had in his cell ... Plus schizophrenia... All signs indeed!
I’d go with this too, but pretty sure the OG black noir was already casted in season 4 and on set.
This makes so much sense, I was thinking Cate would join The Seven as the new member and Sam taking up the mantle of black noir makes so much sense
Also I loved Marie! So much! I love that in the first episode alone we see she's ambitious, and she has a backbone, and by episode 2, she fucks over a couple of her classmates to get ahead. And her making these little moral sacrifices to become a hero for her sister makes her compelling, especially since her moral compass is pointing elsewhere. They could've made her a safe character, they could've made her a small town orphan who's sweet and honest, but no, they gave her some grit. Personally, I thought she picked up on the PR side of heroism pretty fast even if it rubbed her the wrong way.
@@reviewcentral8406 So much. A bit of resentment and realizing she’ll have to snatch at any chance she gets compared to the Top 3 who have doors opened for them, that goes a lot toward building her character.
One thing you missed, marie had already blown up one head before she blew up a certain something on a certain someone in the finale. Im sure roofus misses his head...
lol I thought that was just more ridiculous gross out humour, turns out it was foreshadowing!
I love that this shows grossness is almost always actually for a good reason haha
I think it’s so cool that they gave us a flipped perspective of a character like Butcher in Shetty. Both lost their spouse and child to Homelander, both want all supes dead at all costs. Both brutal, vicious, calculating, manipulative, ruthless and cold-blooded. I love that we’re presented characters that are basically two sides of the same coin, yet we can root for one and hate the other.
Homelander is taking Stormfronts lessons to heart - not that white people, or the aryans, are the superior races but that supes are the superior race, and in his mind why wouldn't they be? They quite literally have powers, he has talked about it frequently in The Boys. Like Stormfront, he thinks the superior race should rule, and that superior race is the superhumans, and that he should be at the top of it.
Homelander believed supes were superior long before stormfront. Even in season 1, when he would save people or eliminate a threat, he would condescendingly say to poilice and military "you are the real heroes", just for image. By season 3, he doesn't say that anymore and flat out says humans need him. All of this is convenient for homeleander, because at the moment, he is the most powerful person on the planet. I don't think his ego could handle someone being stronger than him, though soldier boy might be.
He felt that way before he ever met storefront .
No stormfront very much believed that her race was superior. She just didn’t kill supes that’s are a different race to her but made it very apparent she did not like a-train and tried to get him kicked out
@@deniloui810yumiko's brother?
He's asian isn't he?@@Brandonweifu
I loved Luke and I kept waiting for him to be a baby Homelander and I was so glad he really wasn’t. Honestly, really sat on this show thinking ‘blah, don’t care about the Boys in college’ and ended up binging it in a day it was so good.
Also, I was so excited for the Jensen Ackles cameo. Love Solider Boy.
I don't get how people love soldier boy, he is so awful of a human being
@@ahmadazem4167probably bc they love Jensen Ackles
@@ahmadazem4167 They're probably more in love with Jensen than Solider Boy, like a lot people like Homelander as a villain like love his character, even though we probably shouldn't.
@@ahmadazem4167 You can love a character and think they are a rotten person. Sometimes you like a good villian for being a good villian. Jensen Ackles hilarious, love him so much as Solider Boy.
@@ahmadazem4167 I am a huge fan of Ackles and loving a character does not mean we love WHO they are or the terrible things they do. I can not stand Homelander and was hoping he would get killed last season. But at the same time love him as the villain/hero also Starr is an actor I liked since seeing him in the show Banshee.
Kate is not just "okay", and she's waaay more interesting that anything they tried to do with Magneto Ambrose lol
Her background is compelling and her powers are incredible powerful
I love how they didn't make Luke a stereotypical jerk bts. It's nice that he's generally a good guy and very sweet
I met some pretty cool successful popular jocks back in the day. It’s nice to see media finally portraying some of the nice guys I met in high school!
the Heads will roll needle drop is one of the best needle drops i have seen in any tv show!
Ariana whataya doin hereeeee
I'd argue the characters just straight up aren't friends. Marie and Emma had a complicated start to their friendship and I'm not sure Emma, with her very low self-esteem and Marie with her major trust issues, are ready to fully embrace each other's friendship yet. Jordan and Marie are in an awkward what are we stage. Jordan and Andrew are friendly but Jordan seems like they have never really valued actual, proper friendships. Andrew and Marie, as well as Andrew and Emma don't actually know each other, they are just strangers that needed each others help and the only bond they have is a trauma bond. Jordan and Emma have barely spoken. I think that's kind of the point tho? They just randomly ended up being in this thing together and have to collaborate to make it work, but outside of the current situation they are virtual strangers. They will probably become friends for real later on but rn they haven't had the chance.
Yeah, a bunch of college students in an ongoing high pressure high stakes situation aren’t going to get along easily and all become friends in 8 episodes covering what, a few weeks maybe? i have no idea tbh did they give any sort of time frame in the show?
To me, it makes sense that they don't really appear/feel like friends, because they are not. They didn't have the time to build a solid bond yet. Yes, they went throught hardships that got them closer but they don't really know each other (I'm excluding Cate, and so her relationship with Andre).
It's like they were forced to be a team. They didn't have the time to find a good dynamic that would work for them as a group, knowing none of them weren't close before all that.
So it didn't bother me that much. I hope tho, the next season would fix that.
And me too, i was a little scared about how Gen V would turn out.
What I love is how well they hid the twist of who Marie’s mysterious benefactor is. It was so obvious in hindsight, and makes so much sense. That’s how you do a twist well.
As a non-binary person the relationship between Marie and Jordan is so good. Like Jordan’s immediate assumption that Marie wants to be in a heteronormative relationship- literally too relatable. I think there’s a lot there moving forward even if it was seated in a whiplash speed enemies to lovers plot lol
You didnt assign yourself a gender but Jordan switches individual gender. Im confused but I understand dating in the new state of society is difficult. All these married older couples are saying they're happy to not be born in our generation millennial- x beyond
@moxiemaxie3543 hey it's fair to be confused and I think that it speaks volumes you're open minded. It could be that OP is referring to some people in the dating scene that identify as straight (and some gay/lesbian) that view non-binary/gender queer people as a particular single, binary gender and inadvertently impose dating gender norms in relationships. Rather than their partner's identity outside of the binary or encompassing more than one gender - in this case represented very literally (and very well!) with Jordan. Dating in the LGBTQ community can be difficult and confusing at times, but from personal experience things are actually getting simpler when it comes to labelling identity - people are dating who they like rather than feeling the need to psychoanalyze their identity when they're attracted to someone outside their norm, and even in straight couples gender norms are becoming more flexible. For me, a queer woman in my late 20s, it feels a lot more liberating and accepting now than when I was in my teens/early 20s. But that's just me and I don't fault people who are new to the community and to queer identity
@@dreadwolfrising I wasn't even really talking about what others do - as someone who is transmasc nonbinary I find that there are regularly scenarios where I feel the need (whether entirely self imposed or out of assumptions over what others want from me) to present more or less as one gender than the other. When I go to the dentist for example I never tell them I'm trans/gnc because it's just easier. For a very long time I would act way more feminine in relationships (especially with cis men) then I was really comfortable with because I always assumed that's what would make them the most comfortable (and when I stopped doing this I noticed it get remarkably harder to form/keep romantic relationships). I think it's this decision making I see reflected really well in Jordan's character/their anxieties over their relationship with Marie (maybe it's similar to code switching if I had to connect it to something else)
@@clarencebronte code switching is a very interesting comparison! Particularly with having to navigate society by forcing yourself into one box or another to be afforded respect and courtesy. Sorry for assuming what you meant re: partners and thanks for elaborating!
@@moxiemaxie3543 boomers hate anythung that goes against their "beliefs" tbh, that's anything. They cry and bitch about learning that some people are different than them
People had holes in their memories and the character with mind altering powers was right there but idk why I never expected Cate would be the one to do that
I'm so glad two of the main characters in gen v came from a show that didn't let them flourish and have now given their absolute all as these characters. The performances are truly excellent
I think my only major qualm with the series was the conveniences in the writing. For example when Marie and Jordan are in Shettys office and the doctor that created that virus happens to stumble in and go on a whole drunk tirade to himself revealing what shetty is up to so Marie and Jordan overhear while hiding. I thought it was so lazy
Yes and I thought the woods terrible security like all human guards for supes and Sam found out all the codes for the doors and even after he escaped once they didn't make it more difficult for him to do it again
A character named Rufus wipes the memory of people he sexually assaults? Boy that’s on the nose 😂😂
more like- a dude named rufus that ruffies people
@@Lulu.Cthulhu whooosh ...
Yeeh🎉
RIP Chance Perdomo 😪. May you rest in peace
“very excited to see where his story goes” in regards to andre is cracking me up bc chance kinda screwed that up big time 😭😭 he was exposed for a bunch of redpill and misogynistic bs on his social media that was so bad he was edited out of cast interviews…soooo i’m not too sure we’ll see much of andre next season sadly 😬
Wait what???!
Andre was the most boring character out of them all, literally Cate yells at him at one point telling he never does anything and it’s true, he’s bland
Bruh
BRUH ANDRE NOOO WHY ARE YOU LIKE THIS lmao!!!
Just looked at it, looks like he apologized and says he wasn't involved directly in his social media account.
That finale fucking killed me but I also love that S4 of The Boys could go a million different ways now. Glad this show surprised me as much as it did
That distorted music playing when Homelander arrived was gold
I went into Gen V not having watch the boys. I knew they were in the same universe but frankly I have a history of either disliking or falling asleep during super hero movies/tv shows and the boys never seemed aimed at me as a 21 year old girl so I just didn't watch it. But I was intrigued by Gen V cause the characters are closer to my age and I knew a lot of the actors. But I think it works even if you haven't watch the boys. I still really enjoyed it and felt the world made sense even though they didn't focus on it too much. I'm actually watch the boys now bc of how much I like Gen V. So it does a great job of opening up the universe for a new demographic too.
Same here! The Boys never seemed aimed at me so I went in knowing next to nothing about the world. I think not having any expectations really elevated the tension. I felt like I was really uncovering a conspiracy with them!
Right, SAME!: disliking or falling asleep during super hero movies/tv shows relate so bad so i was just gonna check gen v out AND i fucking love it!
Dope video, you did outright misread some of the plot points though like the fact that Sam was being used to make Luke stronger, not vice versa like you claim. Also Vought had zero idea about the virus. They thought the woods was collecting data not making a Supe Killing Virus
Rest in peace to Chance dawg
Rest in peace king 😢
Rip chance
I'm interested to see how much the two shows tie into each other. It makes sense you need to understand The Boys to watch Gen V S1, but for future seasons of both shows it could be risky to make them too intertwined.
I reckon The Boys is gonna be wrapping up with at least the next two seasons and that Gen V will either end with it, or become the main series for a couple seasons. Either way, I dont think they will have much time to interact, I know that The Boys s4 is gonna take place directly after Gen V, so we might see Team Marie join The Boys or get busted out of jail by them so that they can learn the truth of what happened at Godolkin.
I actually watched Gen V without watching the boys and my god was it an experience. I was brand new to the universe and new next to nothing about it so every new plot point was a shock! I really felt like I was uncovering a conspiracy with them.
SO sad about the actor, Chance Perdomo's, untimely death. Was fantastic in Sabrina, and was a great choice in Gen V.
First saw Patrick Schwartznegger in Daniel Isn't Real. he strikes a great balance there between childish playfulness and violent psychopathy and its definitely memorable ! its directed Adam Egypt Mortimer and has the dude from the quarry who had the strongest cali accent ever, check it out if you havent !
Daniel Isn't Real was pretty good. I was actually very surprised when I learnt that Arny's son was playing the protagonist of it
I really wonder how they’ll do the next season now that Chance (Andre) has passed away :(
honestly, as much as i love gen v, im not 100% sure they should move forward with another season
@@ghosty1275 See a lot of people feel that way and that Gen V should be viewed more as The Boys season 3.5 before the release of season 4, especially since the season 4 trailer has now dropped and you can see some of the Gen V cast in the 7 Tower, so who knows you might be right
It was recently confirmed that Andre's actor won't be recasted
@@WaltDevil060 good, I really don’t think recast is the way to go. Probs best if they just reference Andre’s death in the show as happening behind the scenes, maybe Vought experimented too much and the same illness his dad’s character had has finally gotten to him in the end, leading to the death of Chance’s character Andre. Either way anything would be better than a recast as Chance’s performance was just too good for another actor to swoop in and make their own
Emma is the best character in Gen V
I have never watched any of the series he's talked about...👀
Preach, I just want to protect her so much. 🥺
I agree and yet i found the actrice slightly annoying during the romantic scenes with Sam
Agree best girl
It's marie but okay
Same here. I had so little interest that I didn't even realize it was out for the first week. Yet it ended up being one of my favorite seasons of television ever. And the thing I find impressive about the writing in this show and The Boys is that despite not being remotely subtle with its themes (usually the sign of a bad writer or rushed writing), it actually WORKS for these shows and I'm certain it's intentional. The thematic writing being on the nose adds to the unique atmospheres these shows have and works absolutely in their favor. I think they'd suffer if the writing was more thematically subtle. It also adds heaps to the dark humor. Anyway, great shows!
30:55 Hilarious concept, this man delivered Supernatural level lines for 15 years, not convinced he has much to lose here haha
I actually watched Gen V without watching the boys and my god was it an experience. I was brand new to the universe and knew next to nothing about it so every new plot point was a shock! I really felt like I was uncovering a conspiracy with them.
A couple of things you seem to have missed:
- Cate's change of character is explained by the effect of the drugs she was taking starting to subside
- When Homelander arrives, he immediately takes the side of the blue-eyed blonde and against the more diverse characters
- Having the characters survive and be locked up leaves a lot of room for a second season (which seems to have been confirmed)
Your second point is way off the mark. Homelander isn't doing racism, he is focused on elevating his species; the supes.
What did he tell Marie again? Why would you attack your kind.
He didn't say, why would you attack a blue eyed Arya blonde.
Calm tf down with the racism bs 😂
@@tobiakilo3413 If you don't think Homelander is a rancid racist, either you are not watching or you are a racist too.
@@JuanPablodelaTorre Homelander is a racist. Not that he believes white people are the superior race. But that supes are the superior race.
Boy lmfao you are the one not watching. Where were you with the boys season 2? Every time stormfront mentioned anything about a superior race he rolled his eyes. Again, sit the fuck back down.
@@JuanPablodelaTorreboth probably 😂
Am I the only one who hated when Jordan and Marie got together? It was wayyy too sudden, if you’re gonna do a rivals to lovers thing it takes time and some tension at least. They went from constantly bickering to a relationship out of nowhere.
you are not. I like the pairing and therefore the intent, but the execution... sorry to say, boo👎🏿
I think it was implied at one point that they were already cheating behind golden boy's back, but it was a single line and easily missed.
The ship had potential but the pacing was way to fast, went from hating each other to literraly head over hells in just a single ep. No actual build up which sucks
Male Jordan as the shield and female Jordan as the spear is such a cool and well executed idea.
R.I.P. Chance Perdomo
I’m a huge fan of those who work on The Boys and Gen V. They have incredible writing skills. They’ve been working on a fantastic take on superhero satire, create political and social commentary while also mocking it at the same time, and just have great stories to tell.
This is the first time I’ve ever paused a video five minutes in to binge an entire show. I had no plans to watch Gen V but damn, am I glad I did. I loved it 😭♥️
Lol... I just did the same thing 😂
I was SO pleasantly surprised by how good this show was. And it connected so well with the boys. GOD, this whole universe is incredible!
I was the same as you in that my initial response to the spin-off was "meh", but I ended up absolutely loving it. The overall vibe of the show was perfect; it felt just enough like The Boys while also having its own, distinct identity. They also carried over what I think is the strongest aspect of The Boys overall; really well fleshed out main and side characters with believable relationships that are not forced and develop naturally.
Gen V is my favorite release of the year, glad to hear you talking about this!
same! 💜💜💜
It’s crazy I had the lowest expectations going into Gen V and now it’s one of my all time favorite shows.
I really enjoyed gen v, wish we'd have had more luke. Really enjoyed Sam & his puppets
Gen V was amazing, i liked it a lot, can't wait for the Boys S4 and Gen V S2
Also, great video essay and review of the show! I love these long episodes that explore individual characters and themes.
One uncomfortable theme for me was consent. Like, the friend group felt horrifically violated to discover Cate had been fucking with their heads, but watched her push (admittedly shitty) people into doing horrific things to themselves. Fine if you want to address the hypocrisy of your characters, but it felt like it was played for laughs.
I mean she's literally revealed to be a supe supremacist lol
@@Peasham Sure, she’s shitty. Characters can be like that. It’s the inconsistent reactions to that shittiness that felt off. “Sure, force that asshole to punch himself in the balls for hours, but stay the fuck out of MY head.”
It definitely wasn't played for laughs fym
@@kadegetslaid634 Shadenfreude in the case of the red-hat. Or vicarious thrills in the case of the restaurant host. The other characters don’t react at all.
Omggg, I was literally thinking about your videos this morning and boom😂😂 ❤❤❤
Cosmonaut Variety Hour and Friendly Space Ninja need to do a video together or be on the mothership podcast cause that would be so 🔥
Gen v really was a pleasant surprise of a series and its connection to The Boys
this is the first time i watch you cover a show and i have to stop halfway because now i need to watch the boys AND gen-v in that exact order. and then return to this. you get a like anyway.
Been checking your page every couple weeks for video 😂😩 so happy to this topic! Missed u!!! 🤍
It was really good, and the finale was AWESOME!!!
The play with memory loss made this show did was absolutely the best and unique storytelling I’ve seen it took me from interested to fully engrossed and I loved this show more than the boys itself by the end
Also the Xmen inspired reversal. Xavier and Magneto where Xavier is about equality and Magneto is the Supe Supremacist.
Here Andre (Magneto) is the hero and Cate (Xavier) is the the Supe Supremacist.
I thought that was neat.
I respect and enjoy the 'work' you do, so when I upgrade my system, next month, I will use your Opera link. This is the first useful ad I've seen on any channel. Kudos.
I cheered so loud when Cate lost her left hand. I hope she loses the other one eventually. I don’t care what motivations she had to become the way she is in the final episode, she has to be dealt with, same as Homelander
I wish the show ended with Homelander killing the main other than the two. The other characters were not particularly likable at all with the show even showing how shitty they are. I still think Homelander needs to be dealt with in the end but showing him just killing everyone would have showed just how far he is willing to go.
@@onmas909 all of the characters are likable tf are you on about
@@onmas909homelander doesn’t care for killing supes though
I don’t think Vought lied to Marie about putting her in the Seven at the end. Ashley is a spineless CEO but she very rarely lies unless she has to. I think she DID intend to promote Marie if she saved her (Marie had the numbers to be on the Seven), but Homelander went ahead and attacked her, forcing Vought switch narratives in order to save face
A little cruel that the algorithm pushed this video to my feed today. Great video, but RIP Chance Perdomo 😕
Not here because of the algorithm... Here because I immediately decided to search for this video after seeing the devastating news... But yeah..., R.I.P. Chance =>15:57.
I saw that you uploaded this video and after watching the intro I stopped and immediately ran to watch this series
And now I'm back to watch your review in full and I just have to say that I feel SO f-ed up rn lol
The things I saw made me cry and feel very sick on a human level
Like, it was so heartbreaking to watch the events unfold one after another
I loved watching it, I think it even feels refreshing after the last season of the main series, like a new different perspective
Also characters here feel so human and so real, I love them and hate them, I pity them and judge them. Because they don't feel that far removed from the reality of our lives (like the 7 for ex.) their relationships feel that much more real and hit even harder
TLDR: I loved it but it broke me on a level I didn't know I had lol
RIP Chance 😢
Unironically I think I liked this show more than the boys
Y’know, given homelander, I wouldn’t be against a Supe killing virus.
Supes are single-handedly the most dangerous beings
To be fair, two supes could kill Homelander if they actually tried.
Is it truly justified to commit mass murder against every member of a group due to the behaviours, systemic abuse, or great harms perpetrated by a minority? What are some real world labels that have been applied to this form of specific, targeted killing? This is where this show is very clever in its allegory and is getting viewers to question assumptions and generalizations
I COULD TALK ABOUT THIS ALL DAY!!!! Thats the thing what if it mutates??? theyre also supes who the public DONT KNOW are supes, so what happens to them?? im so fascinated to see how this will play out in the future.
jaegerist mindset lmao
@@dreadwolfrising It is a clever allegory, but too clever for you, it seems. Though superheroes are a minority, they're the privileged minority, for all intents and purposes they're the white people of this universe, they aren't some underprivileged minority, they're the exact opposite, society WORSHIPS them and supremacist ideology among them is very much taking hold. Not that they themselves aren't exploited, under a Capitalist system everyone is a victim, but it is likewise that capitalist system that set them up to be gods to begin with, despite being victims of the system they're still the ones that come out on top in that system with regular humans having zero actual protection from them, as even the organizations meant to give humans some form of justice are themselves infiltrated by supes ensuring that no actual systemic change happens that could endanger their supremacy.
What this show actually did is present us with true heroes in the form of the main four cast members, who are actually attempting to be good people and help others, though imperfect and often misguided. It is Marie, Emma and the rest that are the actual argument against supe genocide, they are proof that supes can change and become better people, and even just be actual heroes in general, but goddamn do the rest not make this argument any easier to promote.
this show has completely flown over my head, this is the first time Im hearing lf it,
man it even has clancy brown in it how did I miss this
This series really shows the value in sometimes going against your gut. I do not like the original comics, but I love The Boys. I did not like the trailers for this spin-off, but I love what the showed turned out to be. I hear the ratings were a little bit mid for this season, so I really hope others who weren't vibing with the trailers/teasers change their mind and give it a shot. It's way better than than the promotional materials made it seem.
rest in peace Chance
I have a theory they might use Sam as the new Black Noir since Homelander killed him.
gezzz i literally watched the entire series last night and today you released this video
I love how everyone started to think that Dean Shetty was the villain (although she kind of was, story-wise) but if we look at the bigger picture, Shetty is literally just another Billy Butcher. Yet then again, I would not say Billy is the hero in The Boys cause he's also a fckd up man, as much of a hypocrite as Homelander imo.
Jordan’s character hit me really deep. While they’re bigender, Im genderfluid/genderqueer, and I don’t like imposing myself and I have a cery feminine body with curvy bottoms, but back in my old uni everyone wanted to know each moment with me “which gender are you now” I always say she/he/they so it’s a le thing of how I feel and I’m indifferent to whether people call me girl or boy or whatever. And they always say I just want the attention or just say these to piss them off when they’re being considerate. My parents are okay with it, “you do you” vibe. But to them I just came out as pansexual and genderfluid because it’s mainstream. So many do that to the point where they doubt of me. “You’ve always been into boys.” I’d say yes and no (looking back what I felt for certain characters was legitimately a crush and I just never felt the need to say it, and there’s also the thing that I’d associate this with just finding this character cool.)
So Jordan really became my favorite character (and crush, both versions but London’s version had me relate and I just- wow!) alonng with Emma and Sam. My personality is very overwhelming and I give meaning to the phrase “I’m just autistic” as in what the hell am I doing but also really have autism. I am a giggly bitch and love passive chaos, am talkative when something I’m passionate about, but I also love solitude with animals, away from “bipedes” as my mom and I joke about people because of my social anxiety and awkwardness. That’s why Sam made me relate. Even Cate’s character felt relatable because of the seizures (I have epilepsy) and “reading people like an open book”.
The characters just feel deep and real. Not just one, but multiple.
To all of you who took the time to read this unnecessary yet comment. If for whatever reason you didn’t view this spin off series, I highly recommend it, it’s not your woke teen series- heck it’s pretty much the opposite, a satirical 16+ - 18+ series because of the subjects, how they are treated, and even play well with some of the annoying things with this generation and also the extreme conservative side, though they’re not the main aspects. But most importantly, watch The Boys before this! 10/10
Im genuinely so glad chance perdomo got another big role he was criminally underused in Sabrina after season 2
love ur videos but honestly your opinion of Cate was soooo weird to me bc in my opinion she is such a amazing character and her motivations and descend to the dark side is really understandable and not to mention how strong her powers are they r like super strong and r still pretty much uncharted and not fully definable bc we only have been shown a weakened watered down version of it and there is still so much to discover of them bc she could be like Prof X or Emma Frost level strong power wise like she has been shown to have access to others minds without physical touch with telepathy😮honestly I love Gen V and I love Cate so fricking much bc it’s just all soo interesting to me can’t wait for more from the Boys Universe😊❤
Nah, you just like her cause her actress is a baddie
@@LLUUCCAA1914 Bruh don’t act like you know me why am I not allowed to just like her Character 🤦🏾♂️lol😂