Giant TCR vs Canyon Ultimate - Lightweight Race Bikes Do Battle!
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- If you want a lightweight aero race bike, Giant and Canyon have two well-established options for you. But which is best?
Liam Cahill is here to pit them head to head, but there’s a twist in the tail of his review.
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00:00 Intro
00:22 Weight
01:30 Frame
03:38 Wheels
07:06 Power Meters
08:06 Cockpit
10:23 Which Should You Buy?
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TCR wins that shootout in every respect for me, but I did exactly what you recommended and bought the last generation with the easy to service headset and cables. One thing I do dislike about both these options is that they offer a power meter included, which is of no use to me because I immediately fit shorter cranks, so would prefer the bike came without a power meter and a cheaper price, which Giant also offered on the TCR Advanced 1 Disc Pro Compact, also with hooked rims.
Thank you for reading out the spec sheets of the bikes!
Lmao
Propel vs Aeroad in the next video (please!)?
Keep it up hope to see more
I agree that the previous gen TCR is currently a very good value with a steep discount. I'd go for a Di2 version of either TCR SL or Advanced Pro. I don't really care for the integrated cabling thing. 😉
The ninth-generation TCR Advanced is their best one in my opinion, I almost bought the rim brake version (105 R7000 spec) in late 2020.
Did
It was a really nice bike but they kinda had no choice, 90% of people want those hidden cables now, If they didn’t have to they wouldn’t have but for sales it was necessary
I bought a tcr last year, they let me test it for few kilometers, change the handlebar to 38 and the wheels from 36 to 42 for free.
The tcr pro 1 at 3600£
You paid £3600 for a push bike and think you got something for free! Hahahahhahahahahahha
@@hcw199 most brand would have made me pay more to change wheels and handlebars
@@comeespan You got brain washed by clever marketing to consider spending £3600 for a push bike a good idea.
@@hcw199 who are you to question how people spend their hard earned money? What car do you have on the drive? Do you even own it? By the way, that's cheap for a bike of that quality. Compared to a car, it's a snip.
@@coachg4810 Don't matter how much money you have.... You pay that or more for a push bike and you have a mental illness.
Regarding hookless, I cannot for the life of me understand why any "average" cyclist would want to go hookless. Marginal aero/weight gain but at potential risk of failure.
Why would they not want hookless, it’s a stronger rim it give the tire a nicer shape and a wider profile so it’s more comfortable it’s lighter and all they have to do is buy a hookless compatible tire, I’ve only ever seen two fail in the fkn pro peloton, one we didn’t see what happened but there was an air liner in it, and the other was Derek gee in the fking Paris roubaix…
I have an old rim bike, with aero wheels, and newer aero bike both with power meters. In group rides and Strava segments I can’t figure out which bike is faster. There are so many variables, wind from different directions, turbulence of the group. I look at power, speed even HR data either bike it doesn’t seem to matter.
What is your height for M and S size both good for you? I’m 1.79 m and am between
I would prefer the TCR….but not touching hookless rims…
Tell me you’ve never ridden a hookless wheel without telling me you’ve never ridden a hookless wheel ^^^
Giant TCR all day every day and it's not even close.
I did as Liam suggested and bought the prior TCR model (AP1)...indeed saving a crap-ton of $ (even more so than he states in the vid). And got the double sided power meter. I am an endurance rider, and I find the TCR super comfy even on long rides. Yet, it is a scalpel on the road, feeling super nimble. Is it the sexiest looking bike out there? No. But it just doesn't matter when you can tear it up with confidence and at pro peloton system weight...even without the top of the line version! (mine comes in at 7.77kg WITH pedals)
Optimize for joy, not speed. I, like a lot of riders, love dropping the hammer up a good climb. Going 24 mph instead of 23 mph on the flats, not so much.
The slr's have carbon spokes? Not only cadex? If they ditched the hookless it would have been great 🤔
Lots of valuable information, hints and clearly stated opinion. Miles ahead from your standard individual's CZcams channel. It feels like actual journalism, no surprise given the platform background, but I had to say it. Good job, I'll move on not buying one of these because the right bike in the low 8s can still be fun. 😉
Congrats on ranking as the no.1 most useless comparison video on my list. You had both bikes on hand at the same time, yet you failed to compare the aspect that really matters, the frame! We can read the spec list ourselves. So, thank you, but no thank you.
Yep, bought the TCR Advanced Pro 1 with SRAM AXS last year, and yes, the brake hoses are on show, but it makes no odds to me and makes life easier for working on them and changing components should I require. Not a fan of the full on tidy cockpit trend for amateurs riders, not sure it brings much to the party, other than aesthetics.
Good recommendation indeed but to sell an external cable bike nowadays is a difficult proposition specially for the competitive ones.
Finally, someone that helps me confirm what size is best for me 😂. I'm 173cm myself but had been having problems with choosing the right size. Especially with these new geometry. My bike I'm using now is a 55cm, which could be count as a 56cm back in the days
Small ultimate
Or Small TCR. I am 175(or 176 on a good day) and find myself exactly between S and M. Bought M by discount and it is ok, sometimes feels a bit bigger than perfect for me
hopefully the next generations of these 2 bikes will have even wider tire clearance. the perfect all road bike
Agreed 👍
You can easily fit 35mm tyres on Giant TCR, although factory states 32mm. Owner guaranteed. You don't need to go wider than that, unless you ride gravel.
@@dzrdza thanks 👍. I race a Giant Revolt, and Giant states that the “short” flip chip position fits max 45mm - and I’m running 47mm Pathfinder Pro’s in 47mm with 8mm clearance in the “short” position. I really like the TCR Frameset price and am considering building a racy more streety training bike.
You want to ride with mtb tyres?
@@yukiko_5051 In terms of the Southeast US gravel courses where I race - I’m faster on 47mm tires than I am on 40mm tires. And I’ve got two years of detailed data logging and race results to prove it.
Rode the Ultimate CF SLX for a week in Mallorca.
My biggest takeaway is the handlebar is garbage, the drop is too short and when I was in the drops my wrist was hitting the top of the bar, while sprinting and descending which put sharp pains through my wrist.
Had to descend in the hoods, which isn’t ideal.
Short, shallow drops can be great to get usable and fast hoods AND drops positions. Try bringing bars up and/or closer so that you’re comfortable with 90 degree elbows in the drops, then you won’t pinch wrists and you’ll almost certainly be faster
I’ve had this issue previously. It’s directly correlated to a stem that is too short
sounds like d bike was too small for u. Consider upsizing. Ive no issues sprinting with my Ultimate in d drops
@@Kac3724 yeah, stem was 120, I ride a 130 on my one-piece cockpit on my BMC SLR01, which also has a much longer drop length
@@fujitsubo stem was a little short 120, i ride a 130 at home on my one-piece cockpit on the BMC SLR01
Hire bikes, what you gonna do!
I do not like hookless rims because it needs specific tires and local bike shops in my entire city never ever stock or don't even sell those tires at the moment. Only Giant stores sell their own, which I would not prefer it over Conti GP5000.
the Continental GP5000 S TR is for hookless, so no probs there
@@pl4freeexactly. No problems here Never had a problem over two racing seasons
hha same looking for Aeroad vs PP😁
Which was more comfortable? Which handled better?
The answer to this question would have been very interesting indeed
Compared to my previous Sworks SL6, Ultimate comfort is about same. SL6 handles more neutral better for any rider whereas Ulimate geometry better for experienced riders who need more responsiveness IMO
He said the TCR, but cos of the tyres
@@germurphy4986 you’d need to use a control tyre for a comparison review so it’s the frame your getting the test on. Not May reviewers do stuff like that - Dave Arthur uses his own wheels to test bikes
I would go for the aeroad. The weight is more. But the looks and aero is better!!
still rather have the giant... build quality goes a long way and local dealer support
Previous TCR is very good value but the ergonomy of the bars on those bikes is horrendously outdated (way too wide and not flared).
You do realize the older frameset you showed at a discount was a disc frameset, right?
?!? 10:53 the average recreational rider should not be on either bikes. An endurance bike is the way.
curious what do you consider a recreational rider?
Recommending the carbon hookless wheelset just because its lighter eh...?
I recently purchased a disc brake road bike (largest frame size) that weighs 7.15 kg with pedals. 😅
My 4iiii power meter disconnects 1-2 times per minute during a ride... Very frustrating and ironic as I did not buy a power meter from China as I thought the 4iiii would be more reliable.
Why waste yr time with it?
Had the same problem a few years ago, iT was mounted on an alu bike.
When moving iT to my Carbon bike the issue dissapeared. Same Garmin divice also.
Why is a pressfit BB a good idea for the consumer?
on giants the bb shell is excellent, all of the press fit issues are caused by poor tolerances
Because it’s easy to service and it’s better and if you don’t know what the fuck you’re doing you shouldn’t touch it? That answer your question?
It's not
Giant should give you a commission for every 2023 tcr you just sold. That would be nice of them :)
I think there is a Reason why road bike comes with rim brake. What happen if the braking power is more than your tire can grip on the road.
Thats why we use wider tires. Not some silly 19-23c anymore
You fail to mention the following. Hookless is only usable by lighter riders who don’t need higher pressures which would bust the hookless max pressure. Second, you must have your head in the sand about Giants power meter…..it’s crap and always has been. Every credible reviewer confirms same
The only good thing about the Giant is the lifetime (real) warranty on the frameset…Conversely, the only positive thing about the Canyon is MVDP winning 50% of the monuments on it (Tadej Hoovers up the other 50%)…
The amount of people here complaining about hookless wheels but then you look at how many of those adjustable bars have snapped…
Pressfit for the Win!
THANK YOU
There's nothing wrong with hookless, the issue lies with the Obea Lotto Destny team and their shtty mechanics.
THANK YOU
J'ai un Canyon Ultimate SLX Di2 8.0 et QUE des problèmes en même pas 1.000 km. Tige de selle qui descend. Cadre remplacé. Selle cassée. Selle remplacée. SAV chez qui je dois retourner une fois sur deux ou solutionner moi-même le souci technique car le mécano a oublié de serrer le boulon par-ci ou la molette par-là. Pitoyable. Et ce n'est pas qu'en Belgique, apparemment. Bonne marque pour le reste mais j'y réfléchirai à 2 fois pour mon futur 4ème vélo.
Why do this video spend 5 min ranting about how good and safe hookless is?
7.5kg?
The CFSLX is listed at 7.26 for a size M on the Canyon website 🤔 (with tubes) czcams.com/video/Uqk35ZqCpfI/video.html
Both bikes need a course of Ozempic
The perfect content for anyone who is illiterate or not capable of distinguishing between two bike spec sheets……. Where was the test rides? Put the same tyres on the two bikes and ride some climbs and/or at speed, holding the same power on each bike.
Never a bike shop that ever recommended hook less....
Doubtful.
Have you only ever been to a surly dealer?
Carbon spears, agree metal spokes cheaper safer and replaceable the old Giant and to hell with rim-less
Was that English?
HOOKED! All the way! 😎💯
Tcr
Neither of them are definition of lightweight aero bike as neither of them are particularly aero. That title goes to Supersix Evo and Tarmac.
Tcr is more aero than the tarmac
@@Jamess92 Not even close, lmao
@@Jamess92 hahaha, no.
@@Gianniz27 check just ride bikes video and learn
@@Jamess92 Check Tour Magazine data and learn. The new Giant TCR -221 watts, Tarmac SL8 - 209 watts
Lightweigt video, featuring two Seven kg plus pigs.
Meantime I am stil riding my 2012 aeroad, 6.8 kg medium, factory components with pedals, sadlebag, powermeter and gps mount.
Cant help but feel like you lot are providing Some bizar commercials.
If the weight is all in the wheels, then there isn’t any practical difference.
Bought previous generation new tcr on ultegra for “just” 1980 euro 😅
Hmmm I think you forgot to actually review the bikes you have. I was expecting a review on the frames - how do these feel? how do they accelerate - on the flat, on a hill. Which has a snap of acceleration over the other? which feels better. This review is entirely about parts that get swopped/wear out. And the conclusion? why bother getting these bikes at all - just do a film on what's currently the cheapest bike to buy.
Please try again and actually review the frames. This is especially important because no one get to test ride bikes any more - the consumer has no ability to test each bike and compare before a purchase.
Thanks for your comment, we will take this on board 👍
Aero weight, without the aero benefits.
If you buy a Giant tcr off the peg it comes with crap hookless tubeless!!! I scrapped tubeless and went to tpu tubes with contis. Im just waiting for the tyre peel off the rim scenario! I have a spare hooked set.of wheels i use, just have no confidence in hookless!!!
LOL 😂
Never had a problem over two racing seasons
@@petersouthernboy6327You just got lucky. World class pro already get in trouble thanks to hookless, and it will happen again soon if they keep pushing hookless
???
Whos gonna care about 0.001 difference in watt power for both bikes . People do not care for this marketing BS.
Yeah they do.
Not for a noob like you.
@@Pienimusta 😂 😂 😂
Like 99% of bikes, the cranks and handlebar are too long/wide on the TCR.
Canyon needs to amp up their paint jobs... Year after year dull aesthetics
Just bought the 2023 TCR advanced 0 for $5800 aud = to 3000 pound ...you brits do get taken to the cleaners when you put your hands in your pockets
No need too much talk… canyon… i just love canyon at first sight
They're not really aero though lol. Vague nods to aero at best
I take a Canyon for its look.
thumbnails sums it up nicely. Don't.
Aren`t these 2 frames a copy of the Gen. 1 Scott Foil (2012)?
Absolutely I had a 2014 one and it looks exactly the same
Giant with TCR model invented compact geometry in 1997 and changed road bicycles so Scott Foill and Canyon Ulitimat is the copy of Giant TCR
TCR came way before Canyon was even formed as a Company
They all copy giant and are mostly manufactured by giant too.
@@hcw199 that’s actually true. Giant manufactures for Scott, Cannondale, Trek, and many others.
Hookless =Toothless
Never had a problem over two racing seasons
@@petersouthernboy6327 Wish you the best of look...
idiotic remark...never had a problem with hookless
@@cosbro5389 Idiotic reply ...It is a known fact.
@@redauwg911 it’s a road bike issue at higher pressures. If you don’t exceed 65psi you’ll be fine. It has *NEVER* been a gravel or MTB issue.
Aethos all the way
Hookless = immediate no from me
They bring ZERO benefit to the user and cost savings to the maker. Can get lighter than this (with higher profiles) and hooked, ie new Black Inc’s
Tell me you’ve never ridden hookless wheels without telling me you’ve never ridden hookless wheels^^^^, better profile rounder tire shape lighter way stronger faster, and all you have to do is choose a compatible tire… I think it’s time for you to do some research
@@babybell5781 all utter rubbish. The hook has nothing to do with what the rim profile is. Black Inc and others have demonstrated that hooked rims (with deeper profiles) can be lighter than hookless rims
Tyres can make just as aero profile regardless
It saves the manufacturer money, which doesn’t get passed on to the consumer. If you’re happy being fleeced go for it. I’ll stick with hooked
Shill for big hookless. Too dangerous
Hookless only benefits the brands and literally no one else lmao stop pretending like it’s not dangerous
personally id rather just not ride the TCR it seems so bias towards the TCR
Lightweight bikes that aren’t light 😂 I’ll stick with my rim brake bike from 10 years ago that is 1.5 kg lighter thanks
True
Yeah, and it's still slower than either of these
@@SpencerBaumit’s all about the motor!
It’s time to move on from rim brakes, like everyone else 🙄
@@SpencerBaum slower by a few seconds over 40 km in a wind tunnel at speeds and powers only the top 1% of cyclists can hold for more than a minute. All that for half the cost or even less. Thanks but I'll stick to my titanium non-aero rim brake road bike too. You keep dreaming that an aero bike with fully integrated cable routing saving you 3W will magically turn you overnight into a pro rider.
TCR is now pointless, as the Propel can be built to 6.7kg.
I like tcr very much but would never buy it because of those crap hookles wheels :/