Bigscreen Beyond - How Good Is The World's Smallest VR Headset?
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- čas přidán 13. 09. 2024
- The Bigscreen Beyond is the smallest VR headset of the world! But not only that, it also sports super-high resolution MicoOLED panels and pancake lenses. And each headset is actually custom made to perfectly fit each single customer. But how good is the headset actually? Are the $999 worth it? I had the chance to check out the prototype (!) and next to my unboxing you will see my first impressions of the headset including pros and cons that I discovered!
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What are your thoughts about the Bigscreen Beyond? Any questions for the main review of the final unit?
I would love to upgrade now from my G2 but even comfort aside, I can't drop to a smaller FOV. I was on the fence on buying it before watching your video, but now after watching the video, you made it clear the smaller FOV is actually noticeable. I really hope BigScreen will make a Gen 2 with a bigger FOV... even if it cost more, I would buy it!
@@covertpuppytwo3857 Consider that Thrillseeker and SadleyitsBradley, who after using Beyond for many weeks, declared it's the most immersive headset and they are replacing their index with it - this is also after trying Pimax Crystal.
It seems to me, that, the benefits of Beyond are really going to become apparent after longer usage, after having many long sessions with it.
A very first impression with an hour or so, even a day, I doubt is going to highlight just why this headset works so well.
That's the impression I'm getting.
I'm hoping Seb uses his Beyond frequently and for long sessions over the coming weeks to get a real feel for it. Obviously enjoyed so much about the headset, but the fov and glare was a notable issue in this short first impressions. I wonder if that concern stays after many longer sessions with it.
His time will definitely be split between Beyond and Crystal. Hopefully Seb uses both a lot to get a good comparison!
@@zackmac5917 I have the Pimax 5K+ ... I got tired of the hassle of using the Pimax and got the G2... I was willing to downgrade the FOV for the G2 for an upgrade in picture quality and ease of use. But I don't think I'm willing to downgrade the FOV yet again. I watched I believe the first video Thrillseeker had of the Beyond and he was really vague about what the actual FOV of the Beyond was as stated... said something about the CEO saying not wanted to "oversell"... I was really hoping that would be the case, but Seb made it very clear... a noticeable downgrade. I love the idea of this Beyond headset... the size, weight, comfort, the use of 3rd party controllers... even the custom facial fit. But I simply can't downgrade even more on the FOV without being unhappy about it. My G2 is still a good HMD... I think I'll just have to continue waiting. Like I said earlier... hopefully Beyond does really well and will make a Gen 2 because we know there will be no G3! If I didn't have the G2 or if this was my first HMD... I would buy the Beyond.
@@covertpuppytwo3857 Yeah its totally a fair point, especially if you already dropped FoV for similar reasons.
I think the magic in this headset, from the impressions so far, is that the combination of zero light leakage, perfect fit, comfort, high resolution, micro-OLED, creates such a comfortable and life-like experience that negates the issue of FoV.
But the jury is still out on that for most people. We only have impressions from a hand-full of people with good extensive use.
Regardless, I am definitely excited for the 12K. The 12K may be a perfect complementary headset to Beyond - if you can afford both which for most people is a definite no lol.
One of the biggest questions right now is, what's Apple's headset like?
Is it Steamvr compatible?
It'll be perhaps up to or more than 2x the price of Beyond. And probably a bit bigger in size and weight. But it might provide 4k x 4k per eye micro-OLED at a wider FoV, in a still small form factor of something like 300g, + a ton of extras like eye tracking, face tracking, and high quality mixed reality. It could be the one headset to rule them all.
But with no steamvr compatibility I wouldn't touch it.
@@zackmac5917 _"But with no steamvr compatibility I wouldn't touch it."_ Amen brother!
Coming from the valve index the beyond feels like a no-brainer upgrade, especially with the fact that I already have the controller in lighthouse ecosystem setup. Other reviewers who've tried it compare the glare to the index, and say that the glare is a little bit better on the beyond than the index but relatively the same, the low FOV is a downgrade, but one of my biggest issues with gaming in VR right now is I can play for a good two or three hours before the headset becomes uncomfortable, but this one it seems like my sessions in VR will start becoming a bit more comparable to my sessions flat screen, I'm only ever really able to game on the weekends and when I do, I go hard lol.
The question here though I think is whether the beyond is a good investment for people who are not already in the steam VR ecosystem, and don't have the lighthouses and controllers etc, a 1000 dollar headset is a bit of a pill to swallow as an upgrade to an existing setup, but I don't know if I could even remotely recommend this to people who also have to buy controllers and base stations considering that we'll easily push the price of an entire setup to 1500+
Good luck selling it with that factory set IPD and custom face gasket.
@@sledge_mcgee Custom face gaskets can be bought seperately, IPD is fixed yee but that doesn't mean no one would buy it refurbished, since there's only even a limited range of IPD. But also this hmd isn't made to be reselled, since it's "one if it's kind", a unique HMD to fit specifically your IPD and face shape.
One day we'll have this in a standalone package. I can't wait for that day.
I pre ordered mine a month ago, I'm a veteran index user and def wanted the bump up in resolution and weight comfort. Absolutely hate the FOV but trade offs come with the territory these early days. I was holding out for Valves Decard but who knows when we'll get anything official from Valve. I'm really looking forward to the increased resolution and weight and I'm sure I'll get used to the FOV. Although if Valve makes an announcement that eclipses this devices functionality then I may switch.
Watch the patents if you want the latest official news from Valve. Looks like they still want eMagins 2inch/50cm screens. An investment release from eMagin said they will be able to mass produce the screens late 2023/early 2024.
are you dancing naked
CEO of Bigscreen recently stated/implied that the FOV will be increased to over 100 with some new developments in the optics
hi! thanks for the initial impressions video, can't wait to get mine :) am curious about the left/right eye overlap and how it compares to other headsets ?
The overlap is pretty good.
I wonder what the VR landscape will be like in October when this is released. This headset is very exciting. It's a really nice design if you ask me. You could find some things not so great with the Beyond - but their idea of a custom face mask is a very good idea. I love the fact you saw no light in it. Amazing. After going back to Mixed Reality Windows headsets I've realised the weight is almost the most important factor for me in a VR headset. Having said that I don't want to mess around with basestations. It's also a shame this didn't use just USB C cable. They need to get this out the door quickly before The Quest 3 comes out! The DPVR E4 is half the price of this and double the weight. I wonder which tradeoffs people are willing to make. Do people want to watch a movie with a headset tethered to their pcs? We shall see. Good luck Bigscreen - it is an innovative product pushing VR forward.
As a person who moves their head a lot, and has trouble from finding comfort mods that actually work, this is a no brainier for me. Yes the fov is small, but now I can move my head without the weight. Even with counterweights and comfort mods, VR headsets always felt uncomfortable and heavy (I am a pretty small dude at 5'6 138lbs, so that might be why.) . With this new weight and custom fit, I will be actually be able to move my head a lot, especially in DCS
bruh, I'm fucking 6'1 188 lbs. I would fucking crush, dominate you.
If they find ways to increase the fov and offer better lenses, they have a killer headset brewing. :D Sure, it's an enthusiast product but I really like the niche of having something tailor made for you. No need to fiddle with IPD adjustment, no re-adjusting straps etc... It's "your headset", light weight and fits YOU like a glove. However, when it costs 999USD+ (with audio strap, base stations, controllers etc) it better be perfect, and to be honest its shortcoming right now is low FOV and edge blurring. And for me that's hard to justify for the price.
1000 dollars is nothing for a premium display. My 27" oled from LG cost 1500. People need to stop complaining about price, if people want premium products theyre gonna need to pay a premium price.
1,000 for a headset with baystation / controllers required is a nope for me. hoping the deckard will be mind blowing. currently I used reverb g2 and it works pretty well for me (3070ti gpu)
Hope Deckard has same resolution as Reverb G2. When Samsung odyssey and Vive Pro had 1600p resolution in 2018, valve still went for 1440p Index year after those released
Is the G2 better than a Quest Pro or PSVR 2? That's what I have, which is why I'm asking.
@@ji3200 Good point. The resolution and glare/godrays with the Index have been the worst parts about it since the beginning. Big disappointment. Ever since I got a Quest 2, I rarely use my Index, except for visitors trying VR.
@@SpaceDust_97 yeah im excited about the new VD Super Resolution feature with Quest 3. Its gonna be even sharper than Revetb G2
Agreed. This is an upgrade for current Index users who want something to hold them over for an indefinite period of time.
Definitely an upgrade I am Seriously considering since I am still rocking the original vive. Super excited for this kind of headset to finally come out.
If you're still rocking the OG Vive then this hmd should be a nice upgrade
I’m gonna have to wait for the upgraded version that doesn’t require base stations and being tethered is optional. I’ll pay a thousand for that but ideally less than $500.
iQIYI has an upcoming headset with the same micro oleds & pancakes and XR2+ and mixed reality cameras.
Sounds like the Quest Pro is what you're looking for. It has Pancake lens, it's tethering is optional, has eye tracking that now works on PC and has local dimming that helps the mini leds get closer to OLED in terms of deep blacks and higher contrast and it's at the price you're looking for.
Looking forward to the full review! I’m interested in text clarity and what the productivity options are since ImmersedVR is a quest exclusive. Seems like a great headset to use for work since it’s so comfortable.
The FOV is a bummer and it’s tempting to want to wait for a gen 2 headset, but i also understand how challenging it is and capital intensive it is for a software startup like big screen to raise enough money to have a hardware device.
I suspect if sales aren’t amazing, then it will be impossible to justify continuing development on the headset. So I’m concerned about a) how long will support continue for this headset if they don’t make another device and 2) will they be super behind on their delivery dates since they are a software company pivoting to hardware + software?
I'm a G2 owner that I use for flight simming. I've been considering moving forward with the latest VR goggles. I would like to see a comparison between Bigscreen, Pimax Crystal, and the Varjo Aero. Again, as a G2 owner, the sweet spot is very small; How does the Bigscreen compare to the competition in terms of the sweet spot?
The things that bother me personally are no adjustable IPD, small FOV and the fact that you need an iPhone to be able to even order one (for the face scan).
For the adjustable IPD, this is because people cannot just "try" VR without a friend having them try on their headset, and buying a full headset only to find out you can't even handle it is a terrible feeling.
The smaller FOV could make stuff feel more restrictive.
The biggest gripe I have though is the requirement for a very recent iPhone. This means that you already need a 1000$+ device just to be able to order this 1000$+ device, which then hangs onto a pretty beefy computer to run all those pixels, meaning another 2000$+ device. This makes the arguably most ergonomic VR experience something extremely exclusive.
A small thing I got with it too is that they only provide you with one face gasket. If they got you two, you could easily clean out one while still using the headset, but this is not a big issue.
Finally, and this is not something that's exclusive to the Bigscreen Beyond, but I personally do not like it that VR headsets can only be bought separately, that you are expected to either already have the rest set up, or buy it from somewhere else. I don't mind that you can buy packages of just the headset, as long as there's also a package that has everything included to get you started (minus the PC)
this is not for first time VR users, and the Fov will be greatly increased on the production model
nice review.... I was wondering if this headset is also good for xbox or is it supposed to be used with windows pc only...? Can you use it with a Mac mini M2 Pro...? greetings and thanks for any replies
If it hide a fov of at least the quest 2 I would get it. But yeah I’m not impressed with what you said about the fov
Comes down to best use cases.
1) bigscreen for movies, simple games like vr chat.
2) pimax crystal for sim based games without alot of movement.
3) varjo areo for room scale games with alot of movement.
Give me a headset with the form factor of bigscreen, the clarity and resolution of the crystal and the software and optimization and build quality of thae aero and id pay easy 3.5 k for it.
Only thing missing, FOV.
I Would say the fov of the crystal but heard its not as big as pimax claims
Crystal vs Beyond: is the visual quality/immersion comparable or is Crystal's sharpness in league of it's own?
Rhetorical. Beyond is going for the smallest headset, not the best visuals, FOV or refresh rate
@@TonyDrecaps I suppose a good question in relation to that is:
Which provides the better more immersive experience?
That takes into account the sum of parts that make the whole experience.
Others have said Beyond is the most immersive VR experience they've had, despite having tried Crystal. So it will be interesting to see how each design affects people. It's definitely not just about raw specs. But in that department, Beyond is no slouch, it's up there, and has even better micro-OLED displays vs QLED.
@@zackmac5917 Exactly. We all know that Beyond is pretty much unbeatable when it comes to comfort. For me personally the most important question is: is the visual quality difference "night and day enough" so the much heavier headset would possibly be more appealing?
@@pertsonvelts1699 And that's exactly the question for me too.
I find my 570g Samsung Odyssey Plus too heavy, bulky, and uncomfortable.
Index, at 800g, felt like a brick on my head lol.
Crystal at 1.2kg is insane.
So, Beyond is a dream headset.
But as you said, are the visuals of Crystal *that* much better, that it is worth the crazy leap in weight and size?
From what we've heard from others like Thrillseeker and SadleyitsBradley - it doesn't seem so.
But I'm looking forward to hearing more impressions!
I think the 12K is really the one to look out for. With at least 180 degrees horizontal FoV and QLED displays at 35PPD across that FoV, that's something I can imagine I'd like at least as an option to use at times alongside Beyond.
But that's a lot of money lol.
Yes 12k needs an expensive machine
Dear Bigscreen, you'd have my interest with the following changes:
Larger than Index FOV
Index off-ear audio
Improved lenses to minimize glare.
This is like saying a mouse would be your favourite animal if it was stronger than a lion. Just like biological evolution, form and function are directly related. You can't have the smallest possible form factor and a larger FOV. Likewise all lens and displays technologies have trade offs. It's not like the Bigscreen devs thought a dinky little FOV would be a cute aesthetic.
What you are basically saying is this headset is not for you. Nothing wrong with that, it's not for me either,
Top men are working on it. Top… men.
@@kevinbrook7033 you can't YET. that's the future though.. probably will be curved screens with certain lenses and programming
off-ear audio is actually an option for this headset btw. as for the fov, I don't know how to tell you but.. that's just not possible with a baby swimming goggle build
@@Guinea54 definitely get there eventually, although I think it will be less technology we wear on our face and more technology we implant into our brains, still a way to go though.
Wow the size looks amazing!
Best VR reviews on youtube! 😁
Thanks!
If they fix the glare, and widen the FOV, I'll be game. I really like the face fitting part.
If I already had an Index, I'd be pretty interested probably. But since I don't, that adds up the price quite a bit. I'd love to try one though.
I don't want compromises..I want it all and I want it now.
Is the fov on this like the G2 or smaller?
As someone who got the vive pro 2, liking the resolution but not the brightness and definitely not the comfort without mods. I'm edging towards the beyond just because of that and I already have the light houses ect so it would be a drop in solution for me.
Bigscreen beyond are working on a litter bigger field of view!!😉
It's a pretty expensive hmd if you consider you need base stations, controllers and an audio solution to use it. Index knuckles are pretty hard to get in some places as well if you don't already own them.
I remember how people were complaining about psvr 2, that such an "expensive" hmd came without audio... Well. This is pretty much half a product, dependent on third party accessories from 2019. That's the big downside as I see it. Pimax Crystal will ironically be cheaper since all you need to use ir is already in the box.
the edge to edge clarity is quite sad considering the smaller fov
can you test this out for sim racing? interested to see if it will be viable for that. i think either way its going to be incredible for watching movies
I think the things that still kill this headset in general are the extremely high price for just a headset, and still requires lighthouse. The low FOV is a deal breaker for gaming, it is fine for movies, which honestly is where bigscreen should be focusing with this design (but not for $1000). Still requires an iphone to order the facial interface, until they get a working solution to make it available to everyone it limits who they can sell it to. The final nail we have not seen yet, but I am fairly certain we will see, is they are not going to be able to print the facial interfaces at any kind of scale. If they get popular I am fairly certain they will not be able to fulfill orders quickly. Between the facial interface and needing to match the IPD per user, that adds complexity, cost, and time.
I think it is great that they are pushing boundaries, but I get the feeling this is going to flop hard.
Not to mention that the lens are to your prescription if you need glasses, it's nice to see something new in the vr hardware space like this but there are so many things setting this up for failure
@@glistxningamber9534Pretty sure that’s not true - on the website under hardware there is a listing for prescription /inserts/, which is to imply that they just slide over the lenses.
The next step is a VR this small but a curved screen instead of a flat screen to get a really big FOV. I have to say the face gasket on this looks a big crude for how expensive it is.. Looks like someone carved it with blunt scissors.
Custom face gasket for individual user, would make this headset very family unfriendly. I can see that a problem, unless each user in the home has his or her own face gasket.
What's more it will end up in the closet once you upgrade in some time as nobody would buy it from you ...
I see we get ripped off in the UK as always...looks really impressive minus the fov and glare, but if you need to buy all the index base stations and controllers then it's an expensive proposition.
UK price is including taxes, US price is excluding taxes.
@@mixedrealityTV I guess you are right...taxes suck! 🤣
Exactly 4 years ago when I wanted to get my first PCVR and I really liked the Rift;s controllers but didn't like the sensors and preferred HTC Vive's base stations, however, I hated the wands. So I decided to wait.. and oh boy how glad I was that I didn't rush to buy one of the them. Valve released the almighty all perfect Index which really paid off up and even 4 years on and still one of the best all in all VR.
Although there are even more options than before today but as you said, there is always some disadvantage(s).. However, there is still hope...Valve is cooking something and it gotta be good. It is worth the wait...if not Valve's , then HTC Vive 3 might be the second hope.
For a Valve user and flight simmer, FOV is crucial
@@Optimus514 This is nothing exciting or groundbreaking ATM to rush
Does it have pass through? Able to see the outside world in any capacity.
I rely far too much on the mixed reality app that it would be a deal breaker for me!
If you had to choose between the bigscreen and the pimax crystal as you could only keep one headset... which would you choose?
Great question. This is also the two headsets I am contemplating. It is a tough decision. Would love to know Sebastian's opinion.
definitely beyond , I have 5 pimaxes & 5k+ was okey, but 8kx already feels like a brick, it doesnt matter how good it is (8kx has lenses issues, first models had strong mura, my 2nd 8kx had almost ok mura) if you feel pain & neck strain. Beyond sound like a dream. I still use my index despite weight & low res for racing & games & pico4 over VD for monitor replacement due to weight & res, Index glare doesnt cause any issues for me so beyond with its 127g, native steamvr & high res if it will work as solid as index will be a very good upgrade. I hate standalone HMDs for PCVR (native apps like Echo VR & Eleven TT are spectacular on standalone) I used to quality VR I just dont tolerate input lag, compression (ie image artifacts), jittering & constant need of recharging.
I can't justify upgrading from reverb G2, but getting my controllers to work with that is a pain because steam loses config every time my pc crashes.
Dammit I really wish they had gone for an FOV better than the Quest 2, and not worse. I'm "ok" with the Quest 2's FOV; anything better with a headset this small and comfortable and clear would be amazing.
They shout collab etee controllers and make something in one piece.Lighthouse is no go for most
To all the emerging VR aficionados out there, in addition to an adequately powerful PC, this headset setup requires the following components:
Valve Index Controllers: These are typically priced around 500 USD for a pair.
SteamVR Base Station 2.0: The average price is approximately 250 USD.
BigScreen Beyond Headset: This can cost you 1000 USD plus applicable taxes.
So, you should expect to shell out roughly 1750 USD in order to secure the full setup for this VR headset.
Enjoy your virtual journey!
I have the first HTC vive. Will the wands and base stations work with this headset?
How this headset compares to Varjo Aero in terms of visuals? Is there a huge difference? In terms of FOV and resolution/crispy image?
The FOV kills it for me, absolutely no chance. The PSVR2 and Index have made me appreciate the importance of FOV, never mind Pimax. Why is there always such compromises?!!! 😞
Because getting a wide fov in a small formfactor is impossible with current technology obviously.
@@mcmadness110 that was a rhetorical question concerning all current headsets, not directed specifically at the shortcomings of this headset... Maybe you should read it again.
@@mcmadness110 relax dunning Kruger.
Couldn't bigscreen just make the face gasket thinner to get a little bigger fov, I have the thin cover from VR cover on my quest that makes the fov bigger
Even with inside out camera for the tracking we could get something close to that (still need a bigger FOV) if people are ok to have computing and battery at their waist or around their neck.
I recently sold my tower and knuckles, can I just buy this for movies and use mouse to navigate video player?
very honest review, bought one anyway
looks amazing! hopefully worth the $1000+ price tag
I get that it's early adopter tech but it's pretty disappointing that they intend to have it as an Index upgrade. If you don't already own an Index kit, your total cost for this HMD with Index controllers and base stations will total up to around $1600 - pretty intense.
It's cool that they custom build interfaces but doing that coupled with over a dozen different SKUs due to non-adjustable IPD is going to make it very difficult to scale. If they wind up pulling it off and get insanely popular, I would anticipate fulfillment lead times to balloon. Maybe they do the IPD setup during packaging along with the custom interface and it's a non-issue, though.
I'm definitely interested in seeing what happens after they launch the final product and hopefully they make it to a gen 2 build.
Very interested, as one of my hates with all current headsets is the comfort, but will wait for the final version and reviews.
The pico 4 is near perfect
How does the FOV compare to the XR Elite?
Could I just use my xbox controler through my pc instead of index controllers?
Im assuming this test unit was from before they updated to the wider FOV? Any chance in testing it again with the updated version?
Stay tuned! New version video comes out tmr
How is the visual compared to Pimax Crystal, putting aside the fov (Brighness, Glare, edge to edge clarity, color distortion etc) ?
one more thing i have a i5-8400 desk top computer as to what specs would be compatible with that vr headset THANKS.
As impressive as this small thing is im not ready to give up the ability to look around with my eyes
But it's pancake lenses, so you do look around with your eyes?
@@mollyscullyscully80 yea but they are so small you just cannot look around plus the edges are blurry as well
@@Gregoses i can't believe they want more than 300 for this one
@@keisaboru1155 exactly,... they need to cut the price down significantly!!!
@@keisaboru1155 have you ever owned any businesses?
The small FoV and lack of eye tracking is a problem, below MVP imho and the trade off far too much for the form factor improvements. Good for watching movies at home and great for VRChat plus you need $600 worth of base stations and controllers in short its a $1k prototype still.... however IF Bigscreen pull their fingers out of their ivory tower ears and listen I can see a future for their 2nd gen product. This one is no good though as it misses the mark for 2023 again imho but as someone that does own Index controllers and base stations.
Is there any reason why you are not using the Soundcore VR P10 Wireless Gaming Earbuds for your audio solutions?
Mhhhhhhhh....not convinced yet ... additional costs for somebody who did not use the Lighthouse system yet : 320 Euro for 2 Basestations + 300 Euro for the Valve Index Controllers.
If you come from the Valve Index i would say OK, may be worth a try, but this is a really expensive experience and for people like me with my HP Reverb G2.
I think there is no need to switch yet and it is better to wait for the Meta Quest 3 and the Valve "Deckard", until i make a final decision.
For me they seem to be the better choises.
I wonder if theres some type of mod which allows you to use the breakout box with other headsets like quest 2 and 3 for better pcvr integration
Damn, too bad it has bad edge to edge clarity. This and the glare are "native" with pancake lenses. All producers should go aespheric. I believe Quest 3 and Apple will have the same problem, so I'll have to buy the bulky Pimax Crystal with the damn useless battery hanging.
exicted about this headset and have pre-ordered but a bit woried about the edge to edge clarity, would you say at least that the sweet spot is much larger then headsets that use fresnel lenses and hopfully much larger then the tiny sweet spot on the HP reverb 2?
Nope.
You didn't mention it but for me a huge plus is that it is a native SteamVR headset that just works without any additional software.
There is additional Software :)
@@mixedrealityTVYou don't need that aditional software and btw...the headset has no local dimming , is OLED .
@@HDRGamingHub you need the additional Software if you want to switch from 75hz to 90hz or if you want to change brightness setting.
@@mixedrealityTV Cool . I think everyone should use it only in 75hz mode because 90hz is running lower resolution .
@@HDRGamingHub depends what's more important for you, refresh rate or a bit higher res.
Right now would you rather use this or the crystal? Considering where they both are in development.
This is way more comfortable but the Crystal has better optics.
Great review...thank you.
will a company finally bring out the dream combo of aspheric lenses with OLED
11:45 Smaller than the Quest 2 is in fact a comparison to the Quest 2
I think i will get it for the lightweight.
This is Ready Player One headset ;-) :P
Aspheric lenses would mean it would have to be slightly larger in size depth wise, maybe about an inch, and wider fov might mean the screen need to be bigger, but those two improvements would make this a serious contender as a high end option between crystal and aero. If they are going for image quality for movies, they should try aspheric lenses and be blown away at how much clearer they are and more comfortable on the eyes than pancake
Micro oleds are not really needed in VR. The Pico4 form factor is pretty much as small as its sensible to make a VR headset. You just run to issues like small FOV while trying to use tiny panels.
I saw an interview with one of the devs and his emphasis was for it to be as small as possible and to be comfortable for hours on end (cited VRChat and movies in Bigscreen as the 2 main use cases)
I have a Vive Pro, what is the FOV of the Beyond in comparison? Do you feel further away from the screen?
@@Nobody-Nowhere The Arpara 5k uses the same panels and doesn't have a FOV that small.
A lot of production hold up on this would be removed if they just added a manual ipd slider and a couple of these soft interfaces to cover general face shapes
Resolution is okay, I wish they'd made it at least 120hz, because 90 makes it completely obsolete for dynamic titles, and given its weight this is what I'd use it for. Still, Pimax gets it right.
My friend, I've got a Quest Pro & a PSVR 2, I've been seriously considering one of these. Given what I already have would you say it's worth it to buy? Thank you for all you do!
For the formfactor it's worth it. But you will also need to buy base stations and that will be expensive then!
How does the FOV compare to the reverb g2 and varjo aero?
It is much smaller.
@@mixedrealityTV Damn that's a shame. Thrillseeker measured it at 93 horizontal which I thought would at least make it comparable to aero. If you had to pick either this or the crystal for sim racing which one would it be?
@@SimVRRacing The measurements of this kind of software do not always actually reflect the FOV that you see. For Sim Racing I would go for the Crystal.
I really wanted to buy this coming from VP2, but I can't pay 1800 AUD for a movie only occasion. Darn.
Bufff... I really like this headset, but coming from Rift S, I am struggling to decide whether Beyond, Deckard or even de affordable DPVR E4 is the best choice.
The quest pro is amazing from my experience. Definitely worth the new reduced price.
Pico 4 or Crystal are basically the best options, depending on the resolution you want.
I’d rather wait for the quest 3.
How does it work for someone who wears prescription lenses?
13:53 There is no local dimming my friend ! This is OLED !
Dull need more compact version yakes too ling to get into it
I am curious - why was the SteamVR resolution per eye more than twice the stated panel resolution?
Was it not as clear as you wanted, or did you increase it just because your hardware could handle it - like I do?
All headsets have an optimal render resolution to compensate for the barrel distortion which is introduced through the magnification of the image. That said, the resolution there was excessively high and seemed innacurate.
For reference, the other current major headset panel versus render resolutions are as follows.
Quest Pro 1920 x 1800 per eye to 2896 x 2618
Reverb G2 2160 x 2160 per eye to 3124 x 3056
Varjo Aero 2880 x 2720 per eye to 4148 x 3556
Pimax Crystal 2880 x 2880 per eye to 4350 x 5100.
@@kevinbrook7033 In the SteamVR video settings, you can see that it is set to render at 214%. I keep mine higher too in order to increase the clarity a bit. I was just asking Seb what his reason was.
If that is how SteamVR set it automatically though, then that's a little different.
@@DMan-ud6bt Yeah the number is odd for sure. Steam at 100 already should be correct for barrel distortion, ie, G2 at 100 is 3124 x 3056 rather than 2160 x 2160. Not sure what is going on with his settings. His FPS counter wasn't displaying either.
Hi seb, compared to an oled tv what's the movies like, I used big screen on q2 and it was so bad, the quality was like watching a pirate cinema dvd 😂
Do you still need to use a pc
I'm tempted.
How does the sharpness compares to the Quest Pro?
Much Sharper!
Is there a pass through mode?
Nice initial review.
How would you say the Bigscreen Beyond compares to the HTC VIVE XR Elite?
Hmm... Yeah, this looks better than XR Elite for sure!
I love some of the new developments but I'm a bit confused as to where the industry is going.
Big Screen, known for movies, releases a headset that only works tethered to a PC and in range of your base stations.
So you can't watch films in bed, living room, comfortable areas etc.
Being tethered is also a big counter to its comfort for stand up vr gaming.
The small fov will also deter many simmers.
Pimax releases a headset that could be great for seated simmers but, as well as being really heavy, requires batteries.
Myself, and plenty of other simmers, often have races, or flights, over 3 hours so the prospect of a battery needing to be changed is a real concern. (Pit stop strategies now need to factor in real world battery swaps😃). I'm also a bit concerned about the long term battery life.
So sadly, I think I'll have to skip the visual boast on offer from this generation of headsets and stick with my G2 for simming and Quest2 for stand up gaming.
It doesn't help that either headset would cost me around £1,500 (by the time I've got the base stations and controllers for the Beyond).
That's a lot of money for a visual boost that introduces other significant disadvantages.😢
You probably already know, but in the last day or so the Quest 3 was announced - which is actually the reason I found my way here, because I was curious as to what other developments in VR were going on as the industry seems to have stagnated for a few years. I love the look of the Bigscreen, the size especially (I'm not really bothered by the FOV) - but I can't justify spending upwards of AUD $2000 for the device as I'll need to buy the base stations and controllers as well as the headset. So my upgrade will most likely be to the Quest 3, which fortunately seems like a pretty decent step up from the Q2
Would it be possible to modify the face plate and bring it closer to my eyes as I dont need lens inserts? Would that help the FOV?
no it wouldnt.I asked that a big youtuber in germany who also reviewed it.
When something like this wireless has Crystal clarity and 8k or Index Fov, and at Pico4 price then I'll switch to VR for simracing 😂
come in small boxes? add in the controllers and lighthouses and you'll find the box is 3 times larger than the Quest Pro's :P
Is it glare or reflection from eyes?
Not sure if refresh rate was mentioned? Thanks
Website says up to 90hz
Sebastian, how did you connect the headphones?
Wireless. Razer Barracuda X.
@@mixedrealityTV into type-c or 3.5 jack?
This is what the quest pro needed to be like but with the pro controllers and inside out tracking
Looks like you fell asleep in the sun with it on in the intro. Must be the lights
if they added wifi to this it would be perfect.
What is the point of the product if it requires base stations? 1300 bucks and requires base stations but its mainly for watching movies? Strange.
Just because Bigscreen is a social VR experience with screens doesn't mean that's all the Beyond is made for. You can play any SteamVR/PCVR game on it.
how do you scan your face or could i just download a photo of my face as i dont have a cell phone as i,m old school here.
You need an iPhone. Probably could borrow it for the scan!
here that thanks@@mixedrealityTV