Brand New Pico 4 - 6 Months On - Whats Changed?
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- čas přidán 7. 06. 2023
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Looking at a brand new Pico 4 for standalone VR 6 months after launch, have any of the problems been addressed? Will this unit be as good as my first one? Lets see!
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Been using this since release. I’ve played all vr games and the best ones are fallout 4 and Skyrim both AAA open world games that are life-changing. Wabbajack modpacks make these games from a 6 to a 10. Bhaptics x16 and arms to feel the recoil adds so much to immersion. Moreover, modding a game for VR is on another level.
great video thanks Karl, love how indepth you get with this stuff
Thanks mate!
I've had absolutely no problems with my Pico 4, solid controller's no dead pixels and my tracking and audio has been spot on, also no light coming in from the sides, I bought my unit from Smyths here in the UK, I can say it is leaps and bounds better than my Meta Quest 2 that I no longer have, I'm glad I made the swap. Keep up the good work!
I got the AMVR VR facial interface for pico 4 from Amazon UK, solved all the issues with light leakage for me worth a look Karl!
Thanks Sam!
Interested in your PCVR-experiences. I bought the Pico4 as it hit the market as a possible replacement for my Quest2 for single use simracing in Assetto Corsa. I tried the Pico4 a couple of times, had the warping effect and less performance compared to the Quest2. The dedicated Rift displaymode in AC might be part of that. In the end It sold the Pico4 and happily returned to the Quest2. I'm looking forward to the Quest3.
My Pico 4 was a launch issue and it has been perfect for me and I had not noticed any issues. I love it for use with my PC VR. Quest 2 is used by a lot of friends so that is my go to for games with friends. Now subscribed!!
Thanks mate!
Still incredibly happy with my Pico 4, with Virtual Desktop (particularly the latest beta) it's worlds better than the Quest 2 that I had for PCVR, it was like going to the optician and getting new glasses in terms of clarity. Tracking is much better in lower light, too, light isn't the best in my usual VR room and the Q2 would drop tracking quite often, but the Pico keeps on going. It now has the AMVR facial interface and knuckle straps, and the BoboVR P4 strap and it's super comfy for me, and I have a USB-C splitter so the Bobo second battery can charge it while I have my headphones plugged in. Only real criticism is the standalone side compared to the Q2, but that's something I don't really use often beyond a bit of web browsing and movie watching. I've been an Oculus fan since the original Rift, but now I'm far more interested in a Pico 5 than the Quest 3. Oh, and I still keep randomly taking screenshots when I don't mean to because of that extra button, haha.
I got mine in late January, still runs great well worth what I paid but i really want an oled version with better resolution for the future.
Also Pico streaming assistant has gotten alot better which I use almost always now.
Never heard of any of those issues with the Pico, besides the facial interface. I was going to upgrade my Quest 2 to a Pico, but thought I might wait for the Quest 3
I have a Pico 4 and a Quest 2. I like the Pico way better! Better FOV and it’s more comfortable. There is light leakage but I usually use it at night, after work. So, it doesn’t bother me. Over all, it’s a great headset.
Yeah I use this over my Q2 for most things too mate.
Great video - thanks!
My pleasure!
Luckily mine has been flawless…… got mine at launch and have 0 complaints
Just like mine!
Same here really pleased with it
Good lord, you do have great eyesight, i can barely make out the discs on that shell, never mind read the titles.
I bought the Pico 4 at launch and i am still very happy with it. Using the AMVR facial interface it's very comfortable for me and my eyes (with glasses) are very close to the lenses so i have the maximum FOV i can get. The firmware got better and some serious issues regarding world scaling are fixed for the most part. Although i have to admit, that i only use it for PCVR with Virtual Desktop for various reasons. I already had a big Quest library and don't want to buy those games again and my Quest 2 is set up to be as comfortable as possible, but still not feeling as light as the Pico 4 to be fair. Despite the slightly higher resolution of the Pico 4 i can see pixels, whereas on the Quest 2 i can't. And the Quest 2 colors have much better brightness and contrast. Nevertheless, for PCVR that does not really bother me after getting used to it.
One major reason for me to stick with the Quest 2 for standalone until the Quest 3 launches are the firmware features, especially the different refresh modes from 60,72,80,90 to 120Hz and the much better recording options, which are pretty much unusable on the Pico 4. The Pico 4 only supports 72 and 90 Hz modes and some games don't even give you an option to switch between them. Meta's firmware got improved much more since it's launch with tons of new features and also performance improvements with another one coming up with version v55. Some games run much better on Quest 2, First Person Tennis being one of them. My whole standalone experience is smoother and feels more polished on the Quest 2.
Nevertheless, for PCVR i definitely prefer the Pico 4 with Virtual Desktop (the Pico PC streaming software is still not really good). Unless the Quest 3 comes along, that's for sure.
You can get prescription lenses from the likes of Honsvr for a reasonable cost. I'm VERY shortsighted and got some for my Meta Quest 2 and they're SO much better than trying to cram glasses into a headset. Mine cost about £100.00, which I knew isn't cheap, but it's a MASSIVE upgrade if you wear glasses.
Meta is definitely the more matured offering, no way around that, but I also use the Pico for pretty much only PCVR and choose it over my Quest 2 for the lenses and balance.
DO you use it with virtual desktop tethered or wireless? And how does it compare?
@@komododragosh i only use Virtual Desktop wireless. At 150Mbit HEVC (NVIDIA). With the latest VD you can also go for H264+ and 400Mbit, but i prefer HEVC. I cannot really compare wireless VD to wired with the Pico 4, but at this quality level the difference should be minor enough.
@@ProgrammistMusic is the image quality good? Cause I tried it long ago at launch wireless and the image quality was pretty poor, it looked smudgy.
Yeah, it improved a lot on the software side. Also on the OS side. I bought mine some weeks after release, also had no problem with my one. But of course, if your quality control is not as good as on others, more people are unlucky, but not all. I must say I have generell a bit more luck on hardware stuff. But I also had bad luck on products with a very good quality control. You can always got a Monday device, how we say here.
"A Monday device" is a great expression! lol
The amvr pico4 facegaurd worked good 👍
for me as of right now this is the best overhaul headset
I think if you have a good one (like me) I would agree.
I pre-ordered too and have had no issues, not even light leakage from the facial interface. I have tried out 2 alternatives, the GeekVR, which I find unusable and the AMVR, which is wonderful. While the Pico was a little clunky with its OS, at the time, I much prefer it to the Quest 2 (though the Q2 still has some more advanced features). With the standalone experience, side-by-side, the Pico is much better than the Quest, as is the PCVR, though getting things working can sometimes take a bit more work, to get the controls working. I still enjoy using the quest, but it does feel like I'm using older tech, even with the Q2 having some more advanced features, which is mostly due to the better visuals with the pancake lenses and it's much larger sweetspot. The other thing is that the Pico is far more responsive and isn't glitchy, while I'm often frustrated by the Quest's slow response, which I guess is due to the Pico having more RAM.
Passthrough is great on Pico 4, I often play Puzzling Places, while watching TV on passthrough, which wouldn't work on Quest2, despite it also allowing passthrough. So, all in all, I'm happy with the Pico 4 and use it far more than the Q2.
The Quest 3 though, is very interesting, with better display, colour passthrough and a depth sensor, so I expect that I'll get one.
Thank you
Welcome!
I love the pico4
I tried 4 x Pico 4 over the last 6 months. They all had wavy lens distortion issues. My Index is superior in this regard. I'm hoping the Beyond will be the upgrade I've been waiting for.
The Index is a 1000£ headset and it's wired, whilst the Pico 4 is a 350£ wireless headset. Not comparable in my opinion.
Thank you for the video !
No worries!
i sold mine as i got it pretty soon after release and there was bugs and issues but am open to trying it again
i was also super annoyed with the pcvr experience i wanted to use my pc power for better visuals
The IPD can actually go down to 60mm (for anyone else reading) and gives you a warning box you have to 'check' before being able to go that low. BTW love the sinclair t-shirt, noticed in some of you older videos you have a spectrum in the background..... You can have a sub just for that ;)
If you're reading this Pico, please have have a DP port and 120hz option for us PCVR lovers on your next headset, thanks.
The warning starts at 60, it goes down to 58mm
@@dronesayeview Ah so it does!
lol Speccy support even in 2023, love it mate!
I will wait for Pico 5
Yes wise move I’ll probably do the same. I don’t see the Q3 being around long before they release a Q4 because Pico and Apple will just better it likely quickly.
I returned mine due to sub-par wireless pcvr with beatsaber having bought the VD and identical modem with all right settings etc suggested. The Dev at the time acknowledged the issue. No movement on that?
How does movies and CZcams look, compared to the Q2? Look better and less screen door?
If buy a brand new one now, why not buying a Pico 4 Pro with eye tracking and facial tracking? If priced at USD 520 which is insane value to try
I'll jump in early here before getting to the end of this video. I have a PS5, and recently bought a budget gaming PC, which is fine for flatscreen.
However, when Sony announced the VR2, I decided to look into the VR scene, being absolutely new to it. The VR2 won out, despite me being open to a PC/standalone headset. Mainly budget, but also the fact I am not really one into playing around with settings ...
Have you tried the VR2, assuming you have access to a PS5?
The PSVR2 is more expensive than the Standalone headsets? Do you mean you have a very high budget or what do you mean?
@@tinminator8905 yes, the VR2 is slightly more expensive, but I have no further costs.
Even tho I have a budget PC, I feared the future upgrade costs to keep the PC up to date.
@@supercededman Standalone is standalone. No PC needed.
I don't have nay modern consoles mate no.
I’ve been using the pico 4 daily and at first I was mind blown with the how good it was compared to the price (£370.00 or around that figure) for a first time VR headset it’s been amazing. The more I watch content on it however (believe it or not I’m yet to even play my first VR game lol) the more I notice what I do believe is referred to as ‘screen door effect’. I think this is the name of when you look closely at the screen you can see like clumps of packed pixels which make the image look somewhat unclear. I’ve been on the hunt recently to invest a bit more money into something a little bit more expensive. But the thing is every great headset I’m coming across needs a hefty gaming PC make the visuals much better. If anybody knew what a better VR headset for visuals would be that would be great. I think I know the answer and that is wait until quest 3 arrives but seriously I’m so impatient I want to upgrade now lol
I wonder if people are forgetting the teething issues with early Quest 2s. Misaligned lenses, coloration etc.
Very true, a now fully matured product and in fact being discontinued!
I purchased one three weeks ago for sim racing but sent it back due to a dead pixel. Plus I expected better quality visuals, apart from the wider fov it wasn't a great deal better than the Vive I had a few years ago
Interesting experience, if just for sim racing then a G2 would still be best IMO.
A standalone headset just isn't needed or best optimized for it.
@@KarlGosling I did think about the G2 but I wasn't over keen on the reports of the sweet spot being quite small, a reason why I sold my Vive... Curiosity got the better of me so sticking to triples I think
@@KarlGosling I was going for the G2 from Rift S although the former is discountinued and very hard to find... plus in case of issues no replacement as it's discontinued.
Trying to decide between Quest 2 and Pico 4 to replace my Rift S (don't like the lenses, resolution and keen to try to play wirelessly).
Got quest 2 after seeing your video love it
Glad to hear it!
That wobble is only noticeable if I look at it, I haven't looked at it so I haven't notice it.
Hey, what about the pass through, was it the same in both your headsets?
Mine has always gets fuzzy in low lighted rooms.
Pass through is the same mate yes, not something that typically gets used.
you said that the hardware inside has no effect on the PCVR is actually pretty wrong, The new XR chip in the Q3 will be able to handle more bandwidth and with virtual desktop will be able to stream at a far higher bit rate, maybe approaching a native connection quality.
It's not mate, we could run 500mbps now... but the latency would be horrible, your router (wifi) connection plays the biggest part along with the chipset in the headset... so the new XR chipset will help but we are still limited.
@@KarlGosling I thought the new chipset would support WiFi 7 ? So if you had WiFi 7 (when they release) router it would be a be big improvement ?
Elaborate Karl because it doesn't make sense. Where are we limited? You could run a usbc to ethernet adapter if you want. I think the new chip in Q3 will help a lot because decoding latency on the headset is the main bottleneck if your PC is high end enough. Is it not?
@@3lbios there is currently a limit with the XR2 chip with the amount it can process for wireless streaming, Guy Godin the creator off Virtual Desktop said that there could be considerable gains from the new XR2 gen 2 chip so I am gonna say that hes right.
My Pico 4 has been amazing, currently 2 months old. I also had the wobbly home environment issues until I updated the firmware, after that it has been rock solid and butter smooth. My controllers were great out of the box, however both of them have developed creaks after about 20 hours of use. I do have some slight waves in the pancake lens but are hardly distracting, brightness between the screens is completely indiscernible if there even is a difference. Haven't had any audio issues. My biggest complaint is the battery life and longevity. For future models I would like a larger battery and a replaceable one at that. That being said I believe that the Pico headsets were released well before they were ready and if I had purchased one earlier I certainly wouldn't have been as happy as I am now. Because of this I believe many people have a poor opinion of the headset, I have even heard several people call the Pico 4 complete trash and to not even consider buying it which is disappointing as it truly is an amazing product.
Yeah I choose mine over my Q2 every time, great headsets!
Hey Karl, I currently own Quest 2 which has max IPD of 68 and I have 72.
I use my Quest 2 only for Simracing!
Would you recommend upgrading from Quest 2 to Pico 4 for PCVR Simracing due to my high IPD? Are the Pancake lenses a big leap forward to warrant spending the money?
i think at this point it would be better to wait for quest 3 release
Lenses are so much better yes! But if you can I would wait for Quest 3.
now i have pico 4 , and i had ocolus quest 2 . pico 4 looks like darker than oculus is that just mine , or it got darker nits ?
when you do the pcvr please if you could jump a bit into assetto corsa I would be very interested to listen to that
Sure!
For the pico 4 do you buy virtual desktop through the pico store or can you buy virtual desktop directly and be able to use it with the pico4
Through the store mate, as you would on a Quest.
think its a grenral pricedump on quest 2 since quest 3 is announced. its down in price here in DK allso
Yeah I think you're right mate.
I bought my Pico4 in Malaysia (I live in Thailand) and never had any issues with it. I like using it for PCVR and for watching movies. I tried to play Beatsaber (Steam) with the Pico4 but I must say that I don't like it. The controllers somehow make the swords useless. The Quest2 controllers (with the AMVR cover) are a lot better. But other than that I have no issues with the Pico4 controllers.
To play PCVR I use Virtual Desktop. I play a few stand alone games on the Pico4, but they are not really my kind of game. I prefer Skyrim VR, Asgard's Wrath and all of the Half Life games... I like both headsets and wouldn't know what to recommend should somebody ask. I think the Quest is more mature and if you only play standalone games, go for the Quest2. Other than that, the Pico4 is an outstanding choice. But like you mentioned.... if your budget allows it, the Quest3 is a very good option...
Funny how Karl posted this literally a few hours after I returned my Pico 4.
I received mine last week and this was my very first foray into VR. After several days of testing, I ended up returning it for the following reasons:
1) Wavy/warping/distorted and hazy lens (manuf. date was "10 2022" which is allegedly a bad batch).
2) Very grainy and washed out picture -- especially in ACC, AC, Dirt Rally 2.0 and F1 2022 -- even when I set the resolution to 150% in Steam VR (3840x3840).
3) The only title I enjoyed was Valve's "The Lab" but even so, it was quite washed out in appearance and lacked color and contrast when using Steam VR + Virtual Desktop.
4) Even with the high-res screens, the screendoor effect was too noticeable for me as I could easily see all the pixels which ruined immersion for me.
5) The face cushion and rear head pad were VERY uncomfortable and the battery life was pretty short, so I had to spend another $35 USD for the AMVR cushion and $80 USD for the BOBOVR rear cushion + batteries which helped, but it wasn't enough to justify the bad PQ.
6) Even though the 3D effect was cool in racing games, I became motion sick immediately because my eyes told my brain that I was moving, but my body said I wasn't. I guess I can only play titles where the player is standing still.
7) Getting a solid 866mbps wireless connection with Virtual Desktop + Steam VR required running ethernet from my PC to a dedicated AC or AX wifi router (yet another purchase). Doing this would remove my solid 500mbps wired connection to the internet.
8) FOV was not enough for me as I felt like I was viewing everything through binoculars.
9) Running PCVR sim racing games was a pain in the ass. I would have to launch the game in Steam VR using the Pico controllers, then switch to my XBOX controller to navigate the game menus, and then switch to my Fanatec wheel for the actual racing. Exiting a race would have me fumble around for the XBOX controller again to navigate menus. Very cumbersome.
In the end, even with the great price for the Pico 4, the CONs outweighed the PROs by quite a lot. I think I will wait another 1-3 years to see how the tech improves before giving it another go.
Most of these issues are present in all headsets
most of these issues come from the 150 mbit cap thats on the pico4
@@gnac5191 literally not true. With h264+ codec you can set the bitrate up to 500mbs I think. But the artificers are barely visible at 100mbps on hevc anyway
I'm jumping into the VR gaming world which would you recommend the Pico or quest 2
Thats up to you mate.
Hey Karl, I am a bit interested of VR's, what would you reccomend? Quest 2 or Pico 4?
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Got mine a week ago and have already noticed 2 dead pixels. Theyre not that noticable but still its totally unacceptable for a new product that costs just over 300 pound. Im not sure whether to send it back or just put up with it. Ive heard of people getting a replacement and having the exact same problems.
Still a gamble isn't it mate.
I bought a Quest 2 so I didn't want to buy PICO 4, but I might give PICO 5 a fair chance since I prefer PC VR games over standalone ones.
Yeah I'm looking forward to the P5 also!
I would seriously buy one if they would fix their manufacturing defects, so many reports of lense distortion and dead pixels its really not on and it makes it dead on arrival.
I know its a £350 VR headset but those 2 issues alone keeps me away from it. And if the Q3 wasnt coming out i would totally buy the Q2 instead of the Pico 4.
I think and hope the Q3 will raise the bar and yes at least will know they have much better QC! lol
Contractors VR on Pico 4 still doesn't have mods :(
i am considering getting a ps5 and a psvr2. have you tried one out?
Ah, the very question I was going to ask! I suspect that Karl isn't usually a console guy, but I would love to hear his opinion on PSVR2 and GT7, if he has access to the console and headset. Karl always gives his honest opinion on all his reviews which is why is opinion, IMHO, is respected by his subscribers.
Sorry Ray I have no modern consoles at all.
Gt7 and vr2 turned me from someone not interested in sim racing into an addict. Love it.
Waiting for a fiber optic wired microoled or ''microled'' for more depth with 40 ppd/foveated rendering/support for hdmi 2.1 or dpp with vrr support, dual camera color passthrough for a.r. power and headphone ports/controllers with haptics also) at least 2160 by 2160 pix ''dual displays'' (90/120 Hz) with 300 nits passthrough trough the lenses, 120 degree fov ''horz and vert, for most face dimensions as perceived incl. non reflective coating pancake lenses for anti glare effect, some blue light frequency filters added without discoloration. Short term side effects warranty for 5 years. Hmd is 200 grams or less. Software support that blows me mind and listening to the community is key. Stand alone as an option. All steam vr and modded pc games will work with it (plugin play) for 500/600 euro's . This is my ''Dream hmd'' as for now :) Have used the P4 since the 18th of october. Missing the oled very much
They asked for a 5 min video and you gave them a 30 min one lol.
so that would sum up to five more Pico 4 they should send to Karl.
@@ProgrammistMusic And if Karl continues this with the other two videos then they need to send over another 12 on top, I think Karl might just be able to spare a couple to do a giveaway at that point lmao
I think what they really wanted was just some quick promotional video's... they asked to see drafts etc and I've just ignored all that and am doing what I think is useful for the community and publishing them without showing them first! 😆
@@KarlGosling and we all highly appreciate that. It's a good thing, that you don't need them or any company at all, but they obviously need you. I can get why other CZcamsrs really struggle to keep transparent and honest when they receive every new hardware and get invited to showcases around the world. And then you get to know the developers and as soon as you have a personal connection to the real people working for those companies it's hard to criticise the work they did. I am a developer too and i always try to see this from both the consumer and developer side. All of the hardware and software developers working at Meta or Pico work hard to create the best hardware or software they can, but in the end we're talking about corporate interests and if you look at the big picture of what Pico/Bytedance and Meta are going for it's a little concerning.
James Hype fan?
Indeed! Well, he comes across as a bit of a nob but he's a great DJ! lol
Just wait for the Quest 3 at this point, it's just few months away...
I agree.
Kickboxer ???
Me? No mate, love my fitness though and used to practice Kung Fu in my teenage years.
@@KarlGoslinghehe well i thought u were dutch but u are from uk... i watched some random pico 4 vidéos cause i just joined pico team ... it will be my first headset ever !!!
pico 4 how to increase bitrate it got stuck in 60 in wired pcvr pico 4
it's in the settings, you can increase
@@aye796 I did but it didnt change
Watch out for "Pico4 Streaming Extender".
@@tngcguru9373 in the streaming app itself there's a bitrate option?
PS: Just checked the Streaming Extender and Virtual Desktop quality in 'godlike mode' is still by far better.
Unfortunately PICO is a corporation, and like a corporation it does not listen to its customers thus you will never see any changes until PICO-5, and they may continue to not listen to customers then. PS. I have a PICO-4
Software and QC can be improved dramatically without too much bother... if they wanted to of course?!
@@KarlGosling how will they improve the head gasket of already sold units? They can't. Even after they've been told repetitively about the issue, ignored. Anyway I got a 3rd party gasket for mine to fix that issue.
@@theriddickDefault gasket fits myself and many others fine
@@honeybadger9425 Good for you, but it doesn't fit me well and MANY others. But I have a 3rd party addon for that issue now.
@@theriddick Your never going to get a universal fit all head shapes on a gasket unfortunately. It’s much less of a issue than the Quest2 terrible default head strap anyway.
No thanks, I'm not putting my hard earned dollars into Chinese owned competition.
So after 6 months you didn't change the facial interface for more comfy one? That's odd
This is a review of a BRAND NEW unit, not a modded one! 🤦♂️
But if you watched the video I said I used a alternative FI, I produced a review video of it which you obviously also missed.
Notting odd about it some dont have the problem others may have
@@KarlGosling I love your eye rolling tone here lmao
I just can't pick between pico 4 and quest 2....
Psvr2 seems the best option 🤣