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I've seen mentions of "what about McLaren & Aston, they're manufacturers who use a Mercedes PU."
Difference is, Renault have this engine facility in Viry. They've been an engine provider for years. McLaren have never run their own engines in F1, and they produce their road car engines with Ricardo PLC. Aston Martin run Mercedes engines in their road cars. Renault would not be making this decision if their F1 engines were the best, simple as.
Sooo many people forget that Aston runs Mercedes engines
I once told a friend that Aston & Pagani runs on Mercedes engines, and they just couldnât believe it
Piastri laughing all the way home on his badass decision to eschew Alpine.
@@mariinito985 to add, the twin turbo v8 from merc has been proven to be quite reliable too. Have seen amg GTs (and other cars with the m177/178) with upgraded turbos with stock internals and block that makes over 600+whp easily with no probs. Quite an underrated engine if you ask me
Renault kept providing engines even after they sold off their own team - their engines have more history than their team.
Aston runs Mercedes engines as an agreement between both brands which existed before the F1 team. A lot of Aston road cars have rebranded Mercedes engines in them.
Renault not using Renault engine? A very Renault thing to do from Renault
Alpine is Renault sub brand
@@justaregularguy1234 Alpine is to Renault what AMG is to Mercedes. So an Alpine with out a Renault engine is as relevant as a AMG without a Mercedes engine
@@Mathtoan91 both are still unbelievable news if happened tbf
I mean, back when the team was Lotus, they actually used Mercedes engines in 2015, so it wouldn't be that suprising.
They should use a Dacia engine.
The "our expectations for you was low but holy fuck" meme is really alpine the last few months đ
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Itâs almost like Cyril was never the problem
The fact I was thinking like "when Cyril was leading it wasn't 5% this bad" is crazy because his management wasn't great but like... This is straight up amateurish
They are managing to nuke the reputation of the alpine brand like this
You could've put 00's Jean Todt in charge and it wouldve looked awful anyway with Renaults higher ups and whatever else they got going on
He never was, lmao, yet he got charged for almost everything when he did things correctly.
@@luizansounds He just did nothing spectacular, similar to Lotus 2010 car with him as the principal.
But at least, it's not as roughly amateur and rookie-alike akin to Alpine nowadays.
Cyril is killing it in WRC at the moment. Loved seeing him at this years Safari with Hyundai.
Le Mans really cemented it in my head - When I die, members of Alpine can serve as my pallbearers. That way, they can let me down one last time.
This comment needs to go viral
With "allez les bleus" playing in the background.
Ouch! Get the burn cream!
The fact that both cars died so early in the race aswell... embarrassing...
â@@nordvestgaming1238And due to engine issues as well. Super embarrassing.
As it turns out for Alpine, rock bottom has a basement
Iâm using this from now onđ
When Alpine was out of Le Mans I genuinely laughed
Well that was just mechachrome being mechachrome so not really their fault
â@kruleskoll yeah but from all the cars it's both alpines, you can't make it up
I genuinely held myself not to laugh đ€
I also laughed (and cried since im a ferrari fan) when ferrari had an issue đ the more things change, the more they stay the same
â@@kruleskollyes it is, they chose mecachrome
Just bring back lotus at this point
With John Player livery?
â@bloodforrugbyify Or even just the 2012 livery, it was *beautiful*
@@F1dude. True but the JPS will Give Tommo a minimum of two videos. One about how Lotus is back, and a second moralizing like an old woman about tobacco sponsorship đ€Ł
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Tragic team. Someone rescue Pierre ASAP
To be honest Gasly said that he wants to work with a works team that's why he chose Alpine but if Alpine will abandon that in 2026 and 2025 proves that they are regressing more as a team , then Gasly could leave on his own
Pedro Gaseso
Gasly can go to WEC
@@RobertoRodriguez-fe2ts Several of the current grid can go to other categories of motorsport
@@RobertoRodriguez-fe2tsWould be sad, he deserves a good car now that heâs more experienced than his RB stint. Would never happen but Iâd love to see him at Aston Martin if Alonso is still around and Stroll somehow loses his seat.
At this point what is the justification for not selling to Andretti?
Pride, pure and simple. It's clearly not money
Pride & being tied up in all that investment from the likes of Travis Kelce & Ryan Reynolds.
@@NN010itâs insane how hard theyâve fallen off since that investment. They really made a mark in the US last year with their Miami promotions with Tyreke Hill and celebs.
All that cache is going straight to the trash now
F1 will keep growing in popularity selling would be stupid, even if they are a back marker team, that why Gene hasnât sold either, demand is just driving the cost of their investment up with no major costs from their side.
I want 11 teams on the grid
Cyril Abiteboul: âHe needs a driver and an engineâ
you can just hear this! XD
Whoever convinced those celebrities to buy ownership into alpine f1 team is a genius...
If Alpine sell their shares of the team to andretti and let the celebrities keep their shares and be part of the andretri F1 team then they still have their investment safe.
They bought into it to launder money dummy
Bruno Famin did such a shit job with the engine when he was head of the engine department that they are giving up on it entirely for the new regs
Hilarious that Bruno was at Le Mans, probably trying to get away from the F1 messâŠ. Oops đ
You live in the UK. Iâm sure you understand rock bottom is never actually rock bottom.
Imagine if they supply their engines from Red Bull? How the turntables
After what Redbull went through I wouldnât even bail Renault out
Anything is possible. Aston Martin and Honda are joining forces after they were principal sponsor and engine provider to Red Bull in 2019.
Alpine is to Renault what AMG is to Mercedes or M Motorsport is to BMW: itâs the sport car department of the main brand. So considering an Alpine without a Renault engine is as relevant as considering an AMG without a Mercedes engine đ
Renault's sport department is... Renault Sport, the one who pulled the mid-engine V6 Clio Sport back in the 90s. Alpine is more like a premium sub-brand, like DS is to Citroën or Maybach is to Mercedes (yes, there's a tier up in luxury from Mercedes). AMG is the tuner shop for Mercedes, which was indeed and it was independent from Mercedes until they bought them. There's a 1989 Mitsubishi AMG Galant.
And, now that we speak about Renault and Mercedes... They do share some factories around the world and the engines for some low-tier cargo vans and Mercedes cars are actually from Renault.
@@ExtraCafeinado Alpine was first a tuner of Renault cars as AMG was first to Mercedes. They had a rather successful rally history with their Alpine A110. It was then bought by Renault in 1973. They even relaunch the brand in 2016 by producing the new Alpine A110.
Renault Sport has been Renault sport car division since 1976 (producing Clio RS or MĂ©gane RS for exemple). They then rebranded Alpine into their sport car division since 2021 for example the new announced Alpine A290 is the sport version of the new R5 as the Clio RS was the sport version of the Clio (that's also why they rename their F1 team into Alpine so that they market the name brand Alpine as the new sport division of Renault, as for the new Alpine A290 being the sport version of the Renault R5)
Yes Mercedes and Renault share some platform with Van and Renault actually produce the Diesel engine for some Mercedes car (if I remember correctly the Mercedes A180d house the 1.5dCi engine from Renault). But I was talking about the sport car division and pointing out the parallel between AMG/Mercedes relationship with the Alpine/Renault.
@@ExtraCafeinado Renault Sport doesn't exist anymore, it was replaced by Alpine as a brand. If you look at their HQ which was located in a town called "Les Ulis", you can see that it doesn't wear the Renault Sport brand anymore.
Uh, not quite. It's more or less same to what Mugen is to Honda, or what a Mugen-Honda F1 team could've been.
@@kohikappu it's always tricky to draw comparison. But it's definitely not comparable to Mugen.
Alpine / Renault is a bit of an exception and it has an independant racing heritage, not Mugen which always used Honda platforms but are not part of the Honda Group.
Alpine is a car designer and manufacturer.
Mugen is a parts manufacturer and a tuner and a racing team.
Mugen would be more comparable to Alpina in the sense that they don't design cars and handle full scale production.
The difference is that Alpina is part of BMW group which is not the case of Mugen with Honda. And Alpina has possibly a wider scope than Mugen since they do own manufacturing facilities which I don't think is the case for Mugen (i may be wrong)
In my mind Iâm imagining Alonso phoning up Piastri and just howling laughing
Renault said to red bull when red bull asked to put more money in it to fix the engine that renault where only in F1 for the name sake. And they don't want to spend money.
And then they were dumbfounded when Red Bull told them they were changing to Honda engines mid-season.
well...that is on the french government since they have some stake in the Renault Group....
Alpine using a Red Bull engine would be so funny.
They have given way to much control to Bruno Famin. Renault should have instantly fired the person who suggested this.
This team is honestly beating itself into the ground, I feel sorry for the people working within Alpine who actually give a damn about what they do.
Jeremy Clarkson to make his own team at Enstone. Diddly Squat Racing
He'd probably run it better. Need hamster and Mr Slow as well
â@@matthewgubbins8515that's Captain Slow
That would be worse, because he'll probably use Jaguar engines and those are quite unreliable.
@@BrunodeSouzaLino Doesnât matter cause heâd have a Jaaaaaaag.
@@BrunodeSouzaLino Clarkson running a Jaagg that blows up on the formation lap would still create more value than whatever Alpine is doing right now lmao
Le mans was so good this year (bar the 4 hour safety car)
Best looking HyperCar imo is the Peugeot. Crazy there was 18 former f1 drivers in Le mans this year
Sadly it didn't do well. Even the Penske Cadillacs beat it.
@@BrunodeSouzaLino oh absolutely. They've not done well for a while now. But they're still my favourite looking of the cars
@@BrunodeSouzaLino Gonna correct you there. The Cadillac Hypercar program is run by Chip Ganassi Racing (until end of 2024). Penske runs the Porsche Hypercar programs.
@@BrunodeSouzaLino *Ganassi run the Caddies - Penske run Porscheâs factory team
Considering how fast they were last year, Peugeot were really disappointing. Theyâre much, much more reliable now than before but theyâre also much slower - dunno whatâs going on there
Alpine is slowly becoming my most disliked team on the F1 grid.
They have absolutely no excuse. They are a manufacturer team. They are RENAULT. They are NOT limited by budget or resources. They have two solid, talented drivers with Gasly and Ocon (at the moment). They have every tool available to them to be a frontrunner team, or at the very least consistently mingling in the points and getting the occasional podium.
And they are behind HAAS in the championship standings. That tells you everything...
Let Andretti in!
U mean Andretti Cadillac? They'd definitely do better than Alpine right now.
To be fair, Renault doesn't build the engines for their Hypercar WEC. It's a Mecachrome F2 based engine and we know how they are like.
They also don't build their car for WEC, it's made by Oreca.
@@louiscypher4186 yes true, as LMDh cars uses one of four LMP2 chassis.
Working with Renault already since the 70s.
@@louiscypher4186 And this was not the first time Alpine has entered Le Mans in 38 years. Oreca has been running Alpine cars since 2013. The only difference this year is Alpine designed the car and decided to enter as a constructor even though nothing has really changed since the last 10 years. Not their own chassis and not their own engine.
Been looking up Mecachrome. They're essentially an offshoot of Renault. Their engines (though named Renault specifically) supplied Red Bull (technically they got the bits from Renault and built the engines) during the Vettel years. Mecachrome then helped Renault when the 2014 rules came in. It wasn't good!
Basically, it was a Renault engine that replicated their 1980s turbo "explosions" on the weekend. It took me back immediately to the days that Renault cars were called tea kettles because of the huge plumes of white smoke and steam coming out from the back of the car. At least those engines were fast!
I discovered something unnerving. Mecachrome have supplied engines to Airbus and currently are building the nose wheels and the whole structure surrounding it (as far as I could tell). Maybe they should restrict themselves to being specialists in that field!
Just for giggles, Alpine should sell to Kick Sauber and Kick Sauber can have a junior team
Will be funny because Zhou is an Alpine academy driver
@@demon420rekt Haa!
While Alpine have the worst engine on the grid, they are still beating Kick Sauber consistently so I think this would just make Kick Sauber even worse...
Ferrari would not approve of that.
lmfao
I always think things will get worse at Alpine, haven't been wrong in years
This was basically a British dude trying to make sense of how a French manufacturer works.
As a fellow European. The French never made sense.
As an American I canât understand why you even bother with France. Itâs just a speed bump east on the road to Germany.
The French follow no one & no one follows the French
â@@ARUSApacecarHAMPTON to be fair, other than the people, France is lovely
@@crazycjk will concede to that. BTW Iâm 1/2 French đ
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That was what happend in 2015 when Lotus moved from Renault to Mercedes, but then Renault bought them back in 2016
That one satire article about Alpine leaving Alpine at the end of the season isn't so satirical anymore lmao
No wonder Sainz never got linked with Renault after the Ocon news đđ
It would be soooooo fun if Abiteboul-led Hyundai bought out the Alpine F1 team đ
Okay that would actually be interesting because Hyundai is rising and not really associated with sport as much with me. I mean, they are actually sold in America, unlike Alpine.
@@nicestoriesnottherealstori3006 wouldn't even be that big of an investment for the Hyundai group, they are huge
@@nicestoriesnottherealstori3006 Hyundai has big history with Rally. Last Alpine car made was in 1995 and then Renault ditched that name. But even before that the Alpine factory made more Renaults then Alpines. Only in 2017 they started making production cars again.
would be really based for him lmao
Honestly speaking, they just need to cut their loses entirely. They're completely tarnishing their reputation, what little they have left. They've been rudderless for well upwards of a decade, haven't promoted a junior driver in yonks, and are the laughing stock of the paddock currently amongst fans.
Honestly, they need to sell to Andretti Cadallic, which probably has more prestige, especially in America.
Well Sir, we did try to promote Oscar Pisatri to the main team, but he decided to be a snake and do a runner to Mclaren. Cant blame us there.
@@TheDiasporaMedia Too late as he had already signed with McLaren. Also the CRB found Piastri did nothing wrong. Can't blame Piastri for mismanagement within Renault/Alpine that takes already place few years now. Why you think nearly everyone runs away there. Alonso, Riccardo, and that is even only the drivers.
And they had a contract with Ocon till the end of 2024. Offered Alonso a year (2023) with an optional extension of a year and wanted to give Piastri a seat for 2024. But you have only 2 cars, but basic 3 drivers with a contract for 2024.
@@TheDiasporaMediaPiastri had already lawfully negotiated with McLaren, probably because he saw how fucked up Alpineâs behind the scenes were.
@@TheDiasporaMedia I would be a snake as well if my prospective team is being run like this
Friendly reminder that Alpine is supposed to be a factory team. And here they are, the only team using their engines, putting around with the backmarkers trying to fight ding-damn Haas for P7 in the team standings
The Alpine A424 uses a modified Mechachrome V6 F2 engine which is not entirely their fault. (Still they choose a well-known infamously unreliable engine so they take part of responsibility)
Mechachrome SAS Motorsport arm is a Renault affiliate and are also involved with the assembly of their F1 cars as well.
"Hmm... which engine do we use? the unremarkable but reliable Judd? maybe we make our own engine? Cosworth can make an engine without much fuss... OH I GOT IT! we use the single seater engine famous for blowing up! genius! Wine and escargot on me boys"
If we want to get technical the A424 uses an Oreca chassis.
So technically Alpine didn't even have a car in the 24hr. It was someone else's chassis with someone else's engine.
They were the HAAS of Le Mans.
@@louiscypher4186 Isnt that kind of how it goes a lot of the time? A manufacturer just kind of pays a professional race team to buy a chassis and race it for them? I think its an open secret that that is the way it is most of the time. Like when Mercedes came back to LeMans at first they paid a team essentially, but then they actually got involved themselves the year of the flying CLRs...which is why it was a much bigger deal.
â ââ @@extragoogleaccount6061 not really, the CLK GTR was a mercedes project and run by them in cooperation with AMG which by that point has become essentially their unofficial high performance brand
No idea what engine they'd get. I presume Audi, since Honda have an exclusive works deal with Aston, so they won't provide engines to others. I doubt any engine manufacturer would jump to help Alpine, so in that case they'd automatically receive an engine from the manufacturer with the lowest number of teams provided with their PU, as per the rules.
Not sure how it works if two manufacturers have the same amount of teams, was thinking about it while he was talking about it as well. I assume they would let the two talk it out but if nobody wants to they have to have some regulation in place?
I don't think the works deal makes a difference though, that is a deal where Honda says they will only supply to Aston but that doesn't mean they can just tell the FIA nope we aren't adhering to this regulation.
@@DeathBlocks Maybe there's a rule that says whoever has been in the sport for longer would supply the entrant if there're multiple manufacturers with only one team, but I genuinely don't know either.
â@@DeathBlocks Possible they honor it as there are 2 teams that only provide an engine to one team. Audi to itself and Honda to Aston.
@@Robalexe Is tricky again. Honda has more years in F1 overall. But as they left it officially, they are both in their first year in 2026.
"Stop! He's already dead!"
If Andretti is serious about getting into F1, he needs to be on the phone to Alpine right now.
Andretti cant afford to buy a teamâŠthey donât have that kind of money!
I'm pretty sure he's had the bottom half of the grid, minus Sauber, on speed dial the past two years.
The transition from "Lets talk about this" to "We need to talk about this" from Tommo explains it allđ
To be fair, Alpine chose the cheaper Hypercar route with the LMDH regulations where it was asked to choose a chassis from 4 official manufacturers and spec gearboxes and hybrid systems. The engine they used was the mechacrome engine that powers the F2 cars. That were the engines that blew up. These "LMDH" regulations are cheaper to attract Manufacturers. Ferrari, Toyota, Peugeot and Issota Frascini are the cars under LMH regulations which require the manufacturer to construct their own car from scratch. A much expensive project...not as expensive as F1 but difficult nevertheless to build your own car from scratch. Which again adds to Ferrari's achievement of winning Le Mans first time back. đ BTW Toyota's GT3 entries at Le Mans were Lexus cars.
Important bit of context: Porsche and Cadillac specifically race LMDH not because itâs cheaper necessarily- though that helps - itâs also so that they can run in IMSA. Thatâs the biggest difference between LMH and LMDH - the latter can do both WEC and IMSA. So in the case of Porsche and Cadillac (and by extension, Penske and Ganassi) theyâre able to run in more series for less money basically. AND itâs much easier to support customer teams that run your car when a lot of the parts are spec - hence the sheer number of customer Porsches, you know what youâre getting with Porsche!
Lmao the fact that you had to say "we need to talk about this" instead of "letâs talk about it" says it all
I saw the article somewhere else. If this were Mercedes they would just sell it. Renault should just sell it to Andretti. I think this is why the FIA changed their tune. It's making sense now
Funny thing is how Famin said the engine is slow. He was responsible for the engine lol. Also, Honda asking Renault for an engine wouldn't end well as they are both in the same segment. It will be Mercedes engines considering Mercedes has a relationship with Renault already with Mercedes using Renault engines in road cars.
Why would Honda ask Renault for an engine?
@@gpajeProbably meant the other way around
Isotta Fraschini coming out of nowhere with one brand new car and they got to the finish. Alpine should be ashamed.
They don't come from anywhere Michelotto designed the chassis, HWA is making the engine and Williams is doing the hybrid, not badđ
i had a dream the other night that alpine announced their 2026 car and announced that it would have a mercedes power unit⊠didnât think it would actually be possible
I imagine the phone rang to shut down the whole thing as soon as the alpines blew up in Lemans
Just how in the fuck ?
Alpine is Renault's sport brand
the grandpa Simpson of racing teams not five minutes without embarrasing themselves again and again
Andretti Cadillac: um ok
You summed it up at 3:00 perfectly, Andretti was seen as a liability but this slides??
When you hit rock bottom. You don't give up. You find the tools you need to dig even deeper down!
Oh yeah, by the way, the car was designed by Sean Bull I believe. You should check him out - great liveries!
Did he have anything to do with the F1 car's livery? I actually really like it, considering it has that damn BWT logo in. Probably the best BWT branded car I've seen.
@@DeathBlocks Oh, yes of course he is too! You could check his first work, which is Alpine 2021 and actually posted it on his social media, it was a masterclass. And even with these weird combination of sponsorship and livery colors, he could still make these work brilliantly!
Cadillac seems like they can make a fine engine đ
They donâtâŠ.they donât have an F1 engineâŠ. And GM wonât have an F1 engine till 2028
@@Redlingstein đ§ Not seen their 5.5 litre V8 have you? Thatâs what their Hypercar runs - itâs a massive fan favourite
@@Redlingstein Renault doesn't really have an F1 engine either. I'd bet my 401k that Cadillac could have a competitive power unit made from ground zero before Alpine gets theirs straight. They'll be on someone else's soon.
Isnât Alpineâs status as a works team the main reason why Gaslyâs stuck by Alpine despite their lack of performance?
That and because theyâre French
To make it more fun: Their F1 Engine is build in cooperation with Mechacrome, their WEC engine is a modified Mechacrome V634... which is also used in F2 with and F3 without turbocharging and not doing a stellar job anywhere tbh.
Fyi on alpine not being in le mans, im not sure if they was in with theyre old hypercar but last year they did compete with the LMP2 class (they took a year in LMP2 whilst developing this hypercar to keep the crew active in the championship ready)
Yeah I donât know where Tommo gets his info from but he clearly doesnât watch WEC on the reg đ€Šââïž Alpine were in LMP2 last year AND raced in Hypercar the year before with a grandfathered LMP1 Rebellion after being in LMP2 for years - itâs the same team! Theyâve been around for ages
Wait, I thought according to the F1 engine customers were bad for the sport, now a works team is possibly going to be an engine customer now.
At this point, the FIA should just let Andretti Fred Flintstone their car around the circuit, itâll still probably beat the Lotus Renault Lada Alpine
As an alpine I refuse to believe this and I will be living in denial đ
I didn't even realise Alpine was actually a brand at first, I did see an actual Alpine road car today for the first time ever. it actually is pretty cool looking
Expecting a banger here tommo
I've just noticed the GT4 music in the background, very slick addition I love it
When rock-bottom actually has its underground bunker, that's what Alpine looks like, Tommo.
That Andretti isn't allowed in is even more bizarre is this goes through.
Maybe this could be the first time in F1 since 2000 that Renault is absent from the grid. Honda did that many times (1968, 1992, 2008 and 2021) and they're coming back in 2026 with Aston Martin, Ford have been absent since 2004 (and 1985 when Tyrrell abandoned the DFY for year old Renault engines until they came back with Lola Haas a year later), so maybe we'll see what will happen when Renault is gone and how Alpine will be having their own engines moving forward (maybe Renault will make the engines but will rebadge them under Alpine units like how Red Bull have branded theirs from 2016-18 under TAG and Toro Rosso under their own name in 2017).
There is one difference between this years F1 Alpine and the WEC Alpine at Le Mans, its that at Le Mans the car was fast, the pace they had was good, i dont think it would have won or gotten a podium as those were 2 very closely fought battles, but they would have probably been on the lead lap and fighting with the lead Caddy, also double points was very achievable. Compare that to the F1 car which rn is nowhere, the worst manufacturer team by far and its mayhem within the team, I'd rather be just in WEC right now if I was them.
Just so everyone is aware, that Alpine Le Mans engine isn't Renault. It's Mecachrome Formula 2 engine. Of course tuned differently for the Le Mans Hypercar
Quick note, but the Alpine Hypercar doesn't use an Alpine engine (at least not entirely). It's a slightly modified version of the Formula 2 Mecachrome engine.
It's still bad, just saying DNFing before the halfway point wasn't entirely because of Alpine. Just 90% XD
Great Video! I was a big Renault fan up until they rebranded to Alpine and I agree, yellow and black Renault with Danny Ric was vibes!
I think your also making a point why liberty media isnât allowing Andretti to join without a Cadillac engine, they donât want Andretti with a Renault engine so it just be another back marker on the grid
Andretti is knocking
As a 20 year Renault F1 Team Fan it is just heart breaking. The first exit was bad enough but that? I mean for fs sake. The Renault F1 engines were so good back in the day. I do not understand how a team can f up in such a major way. Today Briatore got appointed as adviser...
Tommo is right. You do more damage as failed manufacturer, sell the spot is so much better option. Race is bigger than just a win, it's a brand and marketing deal that (hopefully) leads to sell more cars or other related products.
For their Hypercar they literally went for a modified version of the F2 Mecachrome engine which has a reputation for grenading itself. They are literally part of the same group as Nissan who have a number of solid engines they could use.
Title/thumb on point.
Lesson learnt: Don't use mignon as pistons, baguettes as driveshaft, and croissants for valves
Renault didn't use Renault engine at lemans either
I was looking to buy a car this month. Went to Renault. Realized that Mitsubishi literally sold Renault cars for lower prices and with more years of warranty.
In the end didn't buy either because they kinda sucked unless you loaded them with options. And the deal was overall bad: like no free maintenance nor insurance.
The A110 has had some success in the categories it competes in, GT4 in circuit racing and RGT in rallying. The GT4 Evo got 3rd overall at Pikes Peak last year and 2nd in its category.
The A110 is doing a decent job at the motorsports it competes in, but their F1 and WEC endeavors just tarnish it.
Iâm an American who loves the Renault brand as I love the Megane and Clio ( wish we got them here) Dreamt of owning the original A110 yet the state the f1 team is in is dreadful. Iâve always said â at least weâre mid â as weâve had podiums and done decent point scorer except for this year. Itâs makes Ferrari 2020 look like Redbull 2023.
The comment about Toyota and Lexus is interesting, I never saw it that way. I guess it's because Toyota has a long racing heritage and Lexus is still quite new and was founded as the luxury maker of the group, not the performance one.
It's not unheard of for a Team/Manufacturer to not show confidence in their own tech. Mercedes-Benz didn't rejoin F1 for over 50 years as a result of a terrible accident at Le Mans in the 50's. They, over time started to develop and provide engines before returning as a main Manufacturer.
Granted, that's a different set of circumstances, but the point remains. Confidence or lack thereof can drive a Team out of a competition in some way or another.
It's still absolutely insane to me that this team is a full works effort.
God.. Cyril really jumped ship at the right time, jeeeez
It is such a shock when you remember they bought a title winning outfit and have ran it into the ground in the decades since.
TBF Alpine is an engine customer in their lemans team. Its not really on them they got mechachromed...
They still chose to use the mechachrome engine over any other option available. That's on them.
It's still odd though because the engines run for 10h in Bahrain just fine.
And from all the engines that are avaliable out there they choosed a notorious unrealiable one. who decided that a engine that blows up in f2 short races would go ok for 24h?
â@nickklavdianos5136 then would split the fault at a 25/75 for mechacrhome but yeah they seemed fine until lemans. Whats odd is that both car had issues on the same lap, one made it to the garage just to be deemed finished
By that notion Alpine should never get any credit for success in WEC.
The car is made by Oreca and the engine by Mechachrome.
Alpine is nothing more than a glorified sponsor in WEC.
@@louiscypher4186 Alpine designed all the aero and most parts of the car, it just needs to be based on one of four chassis's as per the LMDH regulations.
One of the three Alpine fans here. Not sure if you remember me from the Alpine/Renault identity video last year. But yeah, I gave up hoping two months ago. Godspeed.
Aston Martin and McLaren are also car manufactures that don't use their own engines in F1.
I really wanted Porsche Penske to win Le Mans, so when the captain would say, it's time to enter F1, then a big number of manufacturers would try to jump aboard the idea and them we would see the 11th team
Alpine Hypercars didnât have a Renault engine but Mechachrome if Iâm not mistaken
renault has some ownership or some partnership at least w mechachrome
Well that explains everything
â@@gezyy1008 partnership but not ownership, mostly has to do with the Supertech era with Briatori
The problem is the rebranding from Renault was meant to be a launchpad for the alpine road car range but in that time they've released one mediocre car and about to release an EV hatchback now. If there's no fanbase gained through the external offering, people won't buy into the racing endeavours. The team itself obviously has many many issues but as a brand, it's not working. Think when Renault used to make Williams edition clios back in the 90s and how far from grace they've fallen.
If it were to happen, it would be pretty damning to their engineers, for a company thatâs basically a State Owned companyâŠ
I mean Alpine in this guise ran in WEC under LMP 1 and LMP 2 under a branded car with a Gibson engine for years. It's not the end of the world I'd say!
Hilarious that they were once Mclarenâs rivals for âbest of the restâ. The fortunes of those two teams have diverged dramatically.
The fact that this team fired Otmar and made Bruno Famin, the guy who told on Otmar as the Team Principal was the first sign that this team is rapidly sinking.
You mentioned A110, when Alpine came in I looked up the car, drove it in game, but now you mentioned again I feel like these years overshadowed the legacy
Might as well sell to Andretti at this point. The RENAULT sports brand can't use another PU it'd be a (another) pr nightmare
You made the point that they're an underdog team without the recourses and budget of the top teams but they arguably have more recources than most by virtue of being an engine manufacturer so I'm not even sure that's true - think of what a team like mclaren have done with on paper less recources. They just squander what potential they have which is even more embarrassing.
With no ICE engines in Alpines future whatâs the brand benefit of investing in them? Makes sense to focus resources on other sources of performance relevant to their brand.