Is LeBron James TRULY the Greatest Ever At His Age?
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- A breakdown and comparison of LeBron James at this point in his career, compared to other greats at the same stage of their careers.
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Is LeBron the best at this stage in his career??
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Yes no one will ever be so consistent like him one of the greatest
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28 in 2013. He was almost first unamanas mvp and dpoy
The fact that you admitted to liking money as being a reason why you make certain videos is why I have immense respect for you. Funny yet honorable. Love it
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@@ghostbusteryan I was fully expecting him to say something about competitive integrity or smsht when he just said "I like money" all I could think was, my man (Denzel as Frank Lucas voice)
And ironically, it also proves that he’s genuine in his takes because nothing makes more money than the tired MJ vs Bron debates. Yet he’s as unbiased about both of them as anybody.
I chuckled too lmao make all the money you can while giving us great nba content
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Jabbar was a monster in college. I can only imagine how many more points he would have scored if he didn’t go to UCLA for 4 years.
Not to mention if the NBA tracked blocks during his first 4 years.
He would lose that great coaching getting him ready for the NBA tho as well
Not only that but he scored all those points without the three ball and lecrybaby has scored almost 7000 pts with the three and if he didn't have that he'd still be chasing Kareem
@@donaldmccaskill1279that just means Lebron takes more difficult shots
@@donaldmccaskill1279a 3 is a lot harder then a hook shot buddy.
Great breakdown, man. Just a lil bit of minor changes as Kobe only played for 20 seasons.
i was confused too lol
Great vid as always!
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I like your content a lot. I am watching all of your videos, especially when I am working because your way of speaking and presenting the information is easy to understand even if I am not focused on the video. However, as a massive Kobe fan I would like to point out that I would have been impossible for him to average more than 8 PPG in his 21st season because he played only 20 seasons. Otherwise the video is great and I agree with you on everything. Keep up the good work!
Like the new effects and presentation
Le Bron is going to be the GOAT of overaged players. By choosing the games you play and putting maximum effort after resting enough I think you have the formula of letting old age beat the competition for you
Lebron putting up maximum effort !? Bahahaha please...
@@dero2430 lmfao as much as i agree on the roast, he did say 'by CHOOSING the games you play' as a premise
While also playing little to no defense and whinning to the refs for foul calls.
@@taumoheni6208 /lazygolfclap but genuine laugh on this one. I have actually replayed the video of that last second Celtics foul reaction of Bron on his knees for people who want to go into shakespearean acting, because that reaction was EPIC. I'm not denying it was a foul, but I gotta say that I cannot come up with a game in the 80s or even in the 90s that I can think of with a reaction quite like that.
You need to watch angry old hoops fan and look at his break down of lecrybaby, he barely comes down the court, stands in one or two spots on the floor and won't move dude is stat padding ever since he was trying to break Kareem's record.
I still have MJ at one but LeBron is easily the GOAT of longevity
That’s how I see it
For me it’s close but I got bron since he is 38 and undeniably top 10 and debatably top 5 showing how consistently great he was but mj had the best prime
@@user-bh7pj4fz1w nonsense! LeBron didn't even score 1,600 points this year and Jordan had more steals at age 39 than LeBron did at age 33
wtf do u mean nonsense, lebron is undeniably better than mj at this age u cant argue @@hakeemolajuwon4352
@@hakeemolajuwon4352 you're bored aren't you
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are you going to post part 2 of the 75 questions?
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Yes, Part two is coming. Been slow going while trying to maintain the upload schedule, but I'm on the final few questions, so I'm quite close to dropping it.
And YES, that is a great idea. I may end up making that video within the next several months.
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Great commentary!
I’d say Kareem.
Great video, Jonny! My initial thought was that LeBron was the best at age 38, BUT you made a compelling case for Kareem being the best at age 38. I am excited to see how he will do at age 39 and how he will compare with MJ, Kareem, and Malone. This will be an exciting season.
Hope you have a nice Saturday :). I am excited to hear that there will be daily videos now also.
Did you guys really watch MJ playing at 38 when he was scoring and playing defense while lebron sit still and watch game develops to get the east lay up or a open shot .. MJ goat 24/7 and let’s not forget there’s talking he’s taking PED
LeBron was not the best at 38, Jordan scored more points and had a ton more steals at age 39 compared to LeBron at age 38! These are all lies
@@bobmonteiro9458 tell these children that Jordan scored more points than LeBron at age 39, Jordan also had 123 steals at age 39 and LeBron has not recorded 120+ steals since 2013
@@hakeemolajuwon4352is that really you best argument?😂😂 jordan has more steals? You can’t be serious. And jordan scored more? That’s not even true😂. I think you forgot to mention Lebron is the better passer and rebounder and shot blocker. That’s not even talking about playoffs
@@fatality1249 LeBron is nowhere near a better passer than Jordan buddy, that's why he's the all time leader in turnovers and Jordan had way more seasons of 100+ offensive rebounds, at 6'6! Steals are the second most important stats in sports next to points lol
Still love your videos and never stopped supporting you
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I love the tease for bron vs Jordan vid can’t wait
He said “I just like money” 😂 Liked
The thing I hate most about this discussion is when people say Lebron is "only 38 and not in his 40s." He is 550 minutes off of playing the most minutes in NBA history (regular + playoffs). At 38, he's played 10,000 MORE minutes that Kareem did at 38. But then people act like that somehow is going to do less damage to his body than going to college?
Kareem's longevity is insane, especially for a 7'2, 220 pounder who began his career in the 1960s, but in no way is there even a debate anymore, Lebron has the greatest longevity in basketball history and is up there in that category in all of sports. If you want to say Kareem is the greatest 38 year old then fine, but those two at 38 are not the same length into their careers.
Kinda crazy that LBJ passing Kareem in total minutes played isn't a topic being talked about that much though.
LeBron does to haters what OJ does to white people, what Trump does to Dems and what Chappelle does to the lgbtq+-. They completely lose the ability to think. Some people just bring it out of other people.
Nba season is murder compared to a short college season and he never took a year off. Its downright ridiculous how they wanna downplay this.
that’s what happens when an athletic anomaly spends millions on his body, and nba teams having modern medicine and training. greatest athletic specimen ever. but as a player, he’s in he same tier as jordan. i hate picking one over the other. why downplay two insane careers??
I'd agree, however like you said, Kareem Abdul Jabbar didnt spend 1 milli a year on his body and the tools he had were mediocre in comparable to players today. The type of play matters too as in Lebron has played in a physical era, but nit after his athletic prime.
If Kareem played in the same era's and had this many tools to use, chances are big he'd be even better at 38.
They arent far off really.
Forget to mention TRT and HGH
@@mateo02_ Please let us cut the nonsense. LeBronze is not remotely close to Jordan.
It was understood by many as early as summer 2011. - but the NBA has a marketing agenda, and a sucker is born every minute.
So here we are.For those of you in possession of a redeemable intellect, recognize this:
*The difference between MJ and LBJ is* _another Top 15 All-Time player_ = _at least_ *2 more chips mvps and fmvps, 3 more b2b title defenses, DPOTY way more all-defensive teams and way WAY more scoring titles...and all in far less time.*
Even Jonny hasn't done quite enough research to understand how good Jordan was, because if he had, he'd realize that the more you study MJs game.... _the better he gets._ He's frankly 'the goat of goats', and the reason the term exists in the 1st place - so much so that people in every walk of life don't just describe the very best in _any_ field by saying " the Michael Jordan of X" for nothing.
So please, kids...do your homework before making such piss-poor claims.
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these new graphics in the backround are dope
even as a Mj and Kobe fan, YES. He really i's a *physical specimen.* That's what they call him, right?
Well, he sort of has to be. Other than passing and finishing at the rim, his bag is pretty shallow.
Buddy Jordan at age 39 scored more points than LeBron did at age 38! Not to mention Jordan had 123 steals at age 39 and LeBron hasn't done that since 2013
@@hakeemolajuwon4352
Jordan at 39 : 20ppg 6reb 3asts on 44% from the field,
Lebron at 38 : 29ppg 8reb 7asts on 50% from the field ,
Jordan at 38 couldnt couldnt make the playoffs in the weakest east of all time
Lebron at 38 made the confernce finals in the tuffest conference of all time
Give me the guy who at least made the playoffs, in a much more tuffer conference.
@@hakeemolajuwon4352
Lebron had more rebounds at age 38, and jordan hasnt done that since , well never
38 yr old lebron is still a better rebounder than prime mj
@@Mt554. Current West is not the tuffest conference of all time, not even close. Go back at the latter half of the 2000s to see season(s) that required 50 wins to make the playoffs through the West!
Nowadays we have a play in tournament, a joke, so more teams have chances to make it. But during Kobe's best yeast it actually required 50 wins to make the 8th seed.
Love your videos Jonny big fan. I hate doing this, but correction on players who played 21 seasons. Vince, Parish, Dirk, Garnett, and Willis played 21+, not Vince, Parish, Dirk, Kobe, and Kareem.
No worries. I’m firing my editor 😂 Jk. Thanks for bringing that to my attention!
@@jonnyarnett you’re on my Mount Rushmore of NBA CZcamsrs. One little mistake is nothing.
Simply because I like money....haha good old Jonny😂
Damn. I was there on release of that previous video. Does not feel like 3 years at all. It's also crazy that Bron's now entering his 6th season for the Lakers
We may never see another player dominate his whole career
GH truly works miracles
You have to point out against which teams are those 55 games and the W/L ratio. I'm not implying stat padding, but ...
That's literally stat padding
I'm sorry comments like this are just so out of touch with reality. He's amazing. He's one of the best players ever. He doesn't only just check in when they are losing so he can stat pad are you serious ?
Please watch nba games in entirety and stop watching ESPN. ESPN is full of absolute morons. The only respectable people on there is Richard Jefferson
That's literally it
@@christjosh8853It's pointless trying to reason with people that hate anything this much. LeBron could save a child from a burning building and they'll complain LeBron had to make a spectacle of doing a good deed or some other bs.
Oh so now the entire NBA is weak lol first the east is weak and now anyone that plays LeBron is trash lmao
@@CrazyxEnigma that's so true lol he gets both sides of the spectrum where people hate him for literally no reason and then on the other side he has super fans who would argue about the size of his penis and try to convince you it's huge 🤣 it's like there's no winning why can't everyone just be normal
I always know about Kareem in his twilight years but Malone was still playing great too, i guess i forget just cuz i don't want to remember him for other things
Yes, much respect to Kareem and Wizards MJ, but past age 36 Bron clears everyone
Nonsense! LeBron has scored less than 1,700 points in the past 5 seasons and has scored less than 2,000 points in 10 of his 20 seasons
@@hakeemolajuwon4352if you value total points so much then is lebron being the all time leading scorer with the most points ever a big deal to you? Be consistent buddy
With AD carrying him? yes
What happens if we give GOAT (MJ) a prime A.D. in Washington?
Year 38-39
Assuming Etan Thomas doesn't fall on MJ's leg.... oh man, they probably would have won the East tbh. Not the stiffest competition in that conference at that time. Nets were good, Bucks were good, etc, but all the GREAT teams were in the West
@@jonnyarnettI'm still not over that knee injury. And Jermaine O'Neal + the refs.😤🥲
How do Lebron's stats hold up if you average them out with games played? Lebron sits about 1/3 of the season. Anyone who's 35+ can tell you that they can still be great, it's the recovery for that 2nd and 3rd game that kill you.
He’s played almost the most minutes in NBA history, to be fair
Yea but he didn't play them consecutively, it's a fraud.
@@Jonathan-A.C. lmao yeah that's because LeBron checked back into games in the 4th during 20pb blow outs
@@hakeemolajuwon4352
The salt is real.
He’s played 20 years and went to 10 Finals. Those aren’t “scrub minutes”. You’re just a hater
@@hakeemolajuwon4352 and scores 27ppg only in 4th quarters? Lol. How can he average 20+ppg by only playing 4th quarters
Hey johnny i’ve been thinking about starting a youtube channel, focused around the nba, nfl, and madden/2k. Is it worth my time? I guess what i’m really asking is would I still get paid even if i don’t absolutely take off? I really wanna start but i don’t wanna waste my time
0:35 damn I been watching your videos for 3 years already?
The guy has to be on TRT. That stuff turns your body back into a 20 something year old. Like it did with Belfort in MMA. He went from barely hanging on to chiseled and dominating.
We know the NBA isn't strict on it's testing at all either.
Yeah that must be why he missed 27 games this season and didn't even score 1,600 points! Did you see how many games LeBron checked back into games down by 20 points just to get his points?
when was he ever barely hanging on
I'm so glad someone else is saying this I need a blood test done and regular testing after that done . Why is there no drug testing done in the NBA? I don't believe he is doing this naturally being that big and fast at that age I smell peds in the air
Surely they all are.
@@arthurbrown-jy2ezyall act like every player is doom too this you dont think theres any anomaly for one player to stay healthy long emough or just wveryone has to faze out at 39?
Yes, Hands down, going into his 6 season as a Laker too, very long Career 🦁🐐
Damn i didnt know that the mailman was still sending mail at age 38 ✉️🐐
Not because I have a dog in the fight but because I like money... Two great quotes in your last two videos, that was hysterical
PACE. You have to factor pace. Malone put up those stats in one of the slowest paced seasons of all-time, while LeBron put up his stats in the fastest paced season ever. More possessions = more stats.
Yes but at the same time that pace is also what makes it harder to stay healthy. If that was the pace then and style of play it might be hard to maintain that many games in a season.
also Malone played an amazing 80 games at 38 years old as the best player on his team, Lebron played 55 games and is the second best player on his current team (AD is just a bit better at this point in their careers). Karl Malone was better overall at 38.
Bron has more per, TS, eFG, BPM, VORP. Literally every advanced stats work for Bron's favor. With or without pace Bron clearly better than Malone.
If you analyze how he obtains the data, you can come to the conclusion that he takes up the most of the team's ball rights, while his teammates lose more ball rights than before, so his teammates' The data has dropped significantly compared to before he was his teammate, and James has his own truce rules. He is more likely to take a rest when encountering a strong team, but he still works hard on the court when he is against a weak team or the victory or defeat no longer matters. There are too many examples of this. Analyzing his scoring area, he is more close to the basket. He does not have the comprehensive scoring methods of Kobe/Jordan/Durant. His role is more like an enhanced role player, requiring everyone on the team to work for him. Sacrifices were made for his style of play, which is why Wade gave up the ball to him in the Heat, because he couldn't do what Wade could do. And what he can do is what Wade can do. He is a person packaged by the league who relies on the help of referees and is still beaten 0-4. Why does a basketball player have four media companies? In my eyes he will never be better than Bill Russell, Magic Johnson, Malone, Stockton, Drexler, Charles Barkley, Kobe Bryant, Curry, Larry Bird, Dirk Novis Key, Tony Parker, Tim Duncan, not to mention Jordan, he is not even an athlete in terms of sportsmanship. He ran away when he encountered setbacks. He was just a super internet celebrity who used the Internet to succeed and was a coward on the basketball court. He made money but never got my respect, a man who lied to everyone and his lies continued throughout his career
All facts...he plays no defense. Handles the ball on offense 98% of the time and shoots on average of 22 times per game on dunks and layups. I'm just so tired of the delusion.
@@visionary515 You're also a casual that knows nothing about hoops. Yall even lie to and make up random stats
Bron haters like you will forever be the biggest failures with no friends or people that even care about them. None of yall can even play the game
LeBron haters like you bums are the type of losers that got picked last in pick up games out on the court. The cancer that nobody wanted on there team
When comparing either season or age, there is going to be some uncertainty to the comparisons. One could argue, like you said, that age is a more fair comparison than season. However, in terms of "NBA" age or "NBA miles" LeBron also would have gone through 1-2 more NBA seasons + playoffs - which to be fair - is a lot more wear and tear on his body than the other player would have experience in college.
It's kind of hard to compare apples to apples unless we're comparing to Garneer or Kobe or others drafted out of high school also.
Wow Kareem was very impressive he’s like that Honda that doesn’t have crazy speed but just keeps on running
Notice the trend... every other player compared to James have played over 70 games whereas he has only played 55. Not playing is easier on your body AND helps boost your stats because you didn't have to maintain them during 20 to 25 more games. Add to that, that these players weren't ring chasing so they were not on contenders at all so that's another thing to take into perspective.
bron has played the most playoff games of all time though… didn’t see you mentioning that toll to his body
@@JackRobinson-cp7twmj didn't miss any games from 1995 to 1998 that includes playoff runs to the finals every year. Those games don't bother lebron due to his P.E.D usage
@@visionary515So L.B.J has his own dealer? That other players con not access?
He was injured though... 🤨
@@visionary515 when you can't find any way to discredit him you will always fall back on the claim he uses peds
LeBron himself says he's chasing the ghost of Jordan but the argument for LeBron being the GOAT is being played out with LeBron looking to surpass Kareem's longevity/consistency GOAT case... At the end of LeBron's career the GOAT argument will be how dominant Jordan was at his peak vs how consistent Lebron was for the longest stretch in NBA history 🐐🐐
Lebron has better longevity than Kareem now. Looking at age vs age is worse than looking at season vs season because of the fact that Kareem had 10,000 less minutes on his body at 38 than LBJ.
Very intelligent observation being made about James and Michael's career comparison s
@@ktapreswreckd921v9 Thanks, I've really been thinking about since Lebron got his 4th ring
Factor in load management, PED use, and defensive stats as well.
Kareem was an Allstar at age 38 and averaged 10.1 ppg
playing less games has an immense impact on ones averages as they get older...
Yes, meanwhile Kareem was playing 80 games at that age.
So you're just gonna ignore all the playoff games LeBron plays?
Being active in the NBA for 20 years is no mean feat.
If you think about it that way, Kobe and Kareem, who were active as NBA players even in their 40s, are truly amazing.
Kobe retired at age 37
@@peter2oo151and only got to 41.
Kareem has been the only functional player in his 40s so far.
What does the star next to parish mean?
You’re a real one for saying you like money 😂 💯
I have Kareem slightly ahead of Lebron. He was so damn good at 38; not to take away from Lebron though. I have Lebron as the GOAT as he is the most well rounded player the game as ever seen and the fact he has had this longevity of high production is amazing to see as a sports fan. I LOVE and I mean love.. MJ, Kareem, Wilt, Kobe, and Russell as they are Legends of the history of basketball. They’ll have their pros and cons versus Lebron but his individual skill set is just too damn good across the board.
Karl Malone produced and played much better than both LeBron and Kareem at age 38! You guys don't know basketball, seriously
@@hakeemolajuwon4352 Postman was great but again, he wasn’t the total package that Lebron is.
@@wg5331 Lmao oh really! Is that why Malone had 100 more points, 100 more steals and 50 more blocks than LeBron at age 38?! Buddy, since you didn't watch Malone play that season, just go look at the numbers.
@@hakeemolajuwon4352no lie that’s great but at the same time it don’t really mean nothin when Bron passed him and Kareem within almost a season and a half maybe less lol
@@schameekkershaw7570 I'm sure Karl Malone would have 45k points if he had decided to join the best players from his conference for 13 straight seasons just like LeBron did lol that's the difference between the top 5 points leaders and LeBron, those players were actually trying to win, they weren't checking back into games in the 4th in a 20p blowout just to pad those stats
Adjust his and Kareems and Kobes stats to 01-02 pace and possessions and vice versa to each of their eras. The current era is closest to the 60s, it's just not comparable to eras of past. Stats way too inflated all across the board.
Only scoring. Steals and blocks are deflated.
rebounding for guards are inflated and assists are inflated positionally now. Stocks are the least prestigious of the 3 major stats. No one cares if one guy gets 2 more blocks in another era, but 6 more points and assists and rebounders? thats auto seen as a better player without looking into stat inflation. They just carry more weight and now comps are distorted @@poly_g6068
Only the averages are inflated not the actual numbers. Teams today take about 5x as many threes as in the 90's and still players are recording less points, rebounds, assists, steals and blocks
@@hakeemolajuwon4352 theyre averging insane statlines in like 30 minutes of play. It's ridiculous.
@@HailKingCeezer They're averaging a huge stat line because they don't play full seasons. The league leader scored 2,225 points this season and that would've been like #4 in most seasons of the 90's! Look at the steals and blocks and especially rebounds!
Lebron definitley set the bar high for people trying to take on father time.
I would love if you did a video on the best rookie of the year.
I love your videos Johnny and even though your extremely biased to MJ and have a weird dislike for lebron you can’t really make a case for Kareem. Kareem in his 20th season was averaging 10 points and wasn’t even the 4th best player on his team, lebron is held to this ridiculous standard even while being at the age of someone who’s suppose to be retired.
I appreciate the fact that you like and watch the videos, but I’m not gonna lie. Some takes of LeBron fans confuse me. “Weird dislike for LeBron”…. I called LeBron the best at everything in the video EXCEPT when compared specifically to Kareem 38 year old Finals MVP run. Unless I beg LeBron to sleep with me, apparently some people will always think it’s not enough love and respect 😂 I think that says more about how much people are biased to LeBron, than about how much I “dislike” him.
Can you please make a video of HOW GOOD WAS TOM CHAMBERS
Thanks!
Thanks man!! You just helped cover my grocery trip tomorrow, and that means a lot :)
@jonnyarnett
Your welcome. Keep the incredible work of being an unbiased basketball historical analysis. Hope your hard work leads to greater highlights.
4:13 fair enough. honest and valid LMFAO
I think if you can't play 60 games you shouldn't be the best at nothing.
Thank you! Kareem was winning titles and was a key part of the showtime lakers success even tho he was past 40. He actually played defense too against all time great centers much younger than him. The Lebron narrative that Klutch sports pays all these media companies to say " he is 38 years old in year 20" bamboozles folks. Kareem and MJ were doing much more than stat padding Lebron James. Also go Nuggets!
Jordan was trash af on the wizards. Kareem wasn't better than lebron at age 38. Cry about it
@@sportstalkonly1442 ok Bronny James.🤣
@@joerents7902 OK then what did Jordan do on the wizards to say he was better than lebron at this age. Remind me. Kareem is a more acceptable answer but he still wasn't better than lebron. Jordan isn't even close to comparable at this age.
@@sportstalkonly1442I don’t wanna hate or nothing but u have to understand that MJ was on the wizards they didn’t have the likes of AD reaves and others and we will start to see more and more players playing at the level that they used to play at at the likes of 39 as technology gets better
@@sportstalkonly1442I have no hate for bron and believe he is one of the best to play but mj and Kareem didn’t have the technology to keep themselves at that standard but that should not take anything away from bron
@jonnyarnett
Can you do a piece on Carmelo Anthony’s career?
I think he’s unfairly criticized when other great players took routes like he did.
The joke about "loving money" was nice
No, he isn't.
Great 👍 video Jonny yet again!
I said it before. James is the most complete basketball player ive seen. And I have been watching basketball since the 80's,
His skills and physical attributes along with his unselfish team play making and his longevity just adds to his completeness.
I know Jonny disagree with me. But unlike Larry, Michael, Kobe and even Duncan. The only thing James lacks is a clutch gene. Otherwise he's about as complete as a basketball player can get.
Closing games is the biggest part about Greatness imo but I respect your opinion
@@KBFilmRoom Thanks. Lebron's lack of a clutch gene shouldn't diminish the fact that he is a complete player.
Some great players we're born with it. Some weren't. Thanks again.
I’ve been watching since the ‘80’s and Bron has a clutch gene. He has numerous playoff performances to prove it. You couldn’t have been watching basketball 😂
@@aswanwilliam Im sorry. For as complete of a game James posses. He can't be trusted to hit two crucial free throws. I've seen him miss them time and time again. Michael, Larry, Earvin and Kobe could be surely counted on to make crucial free throws in clutch moments.
I would put Malone ahead of LeBron at age 38 because of their availability. Malone played in just over 75% of his teams game-minutes while LeBron played in 50%.
yeah, 80 games at 38 years old with significant minutes too, being the best player on the team, or Lebron with 55 games great stats but the second best player on his team, I think Karl Malone was the better player at 38.
Love your videos! Just wanted to point out you incorrectly credited Dirk for being an All Star in year 20. He was definitely not. In year 21 tho you're indeed correct.
Maybe he didn't have the better season than Kareem at 38yo, but when you combine the fact it's his 20th season and that they did somehow managed to get in WCF and challenge the Nuggets, it's very impressive. It doesn't change the GOAT status of MJ in my eyes. Also, we tend to forget how great Karl Malone was and that he was the iron man of the NBA before LeBron...
AD is the better player in the Lakers team in my eyes
im glad we forget about that bum
without him, no bubble ring and playoffs@@NewwxNeww
LeBron DID have the better reg season than Kareem., but not anywhere remotely close to a better playoffs. Getting swept, and shut down at the end like that on consecutive attempts... _Ooof!_
Unfortunately he was terrible against the Nuggets while Kareem dominated and won the Championship.
Lebron's flopping ability hasn't gone down one bit.
Chris.P still the GOAT at that
his flopping doesnt make him a bad nba player lol, he still holds 2nd place flopping or not
@@Ytndarren2nd place to who
Kobe is a better Baller than Bron but Bron has more achievements
@@Sldumas1983 to jordan
This is the reason people don't put Wilt as the best scorers all time. Because of games played because no one compares to Wilt but they didn't play enough games during most of his career. Which is why Mike is known as the best scorer game to game
Kareem at 7’2” and 220lbs? Wow, he never dipped his toes into PEDs.
Ironically, if you survey NBA fans, former and current players on their choice of the GOAT and the greatest Laker ever they will most likely pick Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant respectively.
It's not ironic, it's obvious stuff because the glitz and the glamour is always the main pick.
Not, in this case, Lebron and Magic
@@dusk6159ironically, Kobe isn't better than LeBron. The only reason you have him above is because of "killer instinct". Bullshit.
@@tlxxlt4745 Kobe is a better shooter, a better finisher at the rim, a better post player and a better defender.... LeBron is like a Scottie Pippen that never had Jordan
best Laker ever IMHO, is Magic. Lebron wasn't a Laker long enough to get that title otherwise he might have a good case. As for Kobe, he often wasn't even the best player on his team (Shaq was waaaay better for their 3 championships together, I mean it wasn't close). Where Magic other than his first championship where Kareem was the best player on the team, after that, every other title run, Magic was the best player on the team at that point.
@@tlxxlt4745 I actually meant that it's sadly the main pick for everybody else
I too have Lebron as the goat and of course Magic as the greatest Laker
Kinda impossible to compare players in different eras. Kareem was fighting his way inside the paint in "team deathmatch" 80s, while Lebron was running around in "family show no defence" current NBA. Nonetheless, interesting video to watch and see how they compare statistically
And yet somehow Karl Malone and Jordan both scored more points than LeBron at ages 38 and 39
@@hakeemolajuwon4352because they are scorers and lebrons a facilitator?
@@gayfrickinfrog7168 a facilitator?! Buddy it took lebron 20 years just to catch Magic in assists but he's had more turnovers than him for at least 4 seasons
@@hakeemolajuwon4352they barely have more points dispite playing 30 more games. And by your logic lebron is a better scorer than mj because he has more points😂
@@hakeemolajuwon4352 ok? You're clearly being willfully obtuse as Lbj plays small forward and is pass first, and not point guard like magic. Meaning he scores at a high level and washes mj and malone in terms of play making. He isnt magic, he can pass as well as him, but in miami for seasons and in fhe cavs he's had to be a scorer. So he isnt focused on one thing like mj or magic. He's had to delegate his efforts. Just say you dont watch the man play and havent watched basketball over the last 2 decades and admit you sit in your basement watching mj highlights. Lebron hasnt got more assists than magic. He he doesnt average more than mj per game. But he does the combo of both, better than either could imagine.
what was tim duncan doing at age 38? kicking that some goat's ass in the finals? 4-1 something?
Solid video. I think your argument for Kareem was shaky.
Saying Kareem was better than lebron because of a 6 game stretch where Kareem arguably was the third best player on his team is quite insane when you think about it Kareem averaged less point rebounds assists in the playoffs than lebron but apparently only showing up for 6 games is more impressive so by your logic Jamal Murray this season is also better than lebron which is an unfathomable statement
Real tho. Plus that was a 1 seed lakers. Kareem performed vastly worse than Bron in the regular season yet still got the 1 seed meaning his team was solid. Bron got stuck with a 7th seed team and still got to tbe conference finals. Putting Kareem over bron is crazy
You know what's insane?! LeBron has had multiple 25ppg+ scorers in multiple Finals and still hasn't won them all! Pretending LeBron was ever as good as Kareem is a laughable lie
@@hakeemolajuwon4352 you know what’s even more insane Kareem has played with a dude who won 2 mvps WHILE HE PLAYED WITH HIM lebron never had a teammate win mvp and only has ever had one teammate make first team all nba (hint wasn’t D wade) also neither has Kareem btw 1989 James worthy averaged 25.5 points in the finals so I see you still haven’t gotten that brain
@@connorjackson9819 what?! Wade was in the MVP race and all 3 of LeBron, Wade and Bosh made all NBA team and they were all in their primes! You tell me how that's not more help than having just one guy who happened to win MVP?!
@@hakeemolajuwon4352 one it’s two guys as stated above even tho the lakers had a season with 3 20 point scorers other than Kareem btw and James worthy clears bosh all time and magic Johnson clears d wade so wtf you on about and dude please get a brain it’s frustrating like can you not read it was says FIRST team ALL NBA d wade never made first team all nba while playing with lebron you should really stop embarrassing yourself because thats second time you’ve used false information
Bring back the HGWT series? Also Lebron is the best 38 year old. Kareem played with prime Magic and Lebron 2nd best player is a guy that doesn't want to be great
Bro, it is so crazy that you just commented that, because 2 videos next week will be in that series for Dwight Howard and Dwyane Wade.
@@jonnyarnettLETS GOOO THATS GONA BE HYPE
The last part about season 21, you added Kobe and Kareem. However, they never played season 21. Kevin Garnett and Kevin Willis can replace them.
Controversial but I think LeBron is 2 seasons of all star performance or a ring away from being the Undisputed GOAT. The man's stats and accolades are just getting absurd
Most people that witnessed Jordan & Lebron’s career will not change lanes. It just won’t happen unless Lebron does something outrageous like go on a late career blitz of winning & mvp winning like Brady did at a late age. He needs to get to 6-6 to have a .500 record. No consensus GOAT in any team sport has a losing record in the championship round.
@@rackball5858Well, I support Jordan but I didn't really watch him play, I've watched a couple games and highlights. And did research. Yeah, Bron has a losing finals record but it's because he made 10 finals and lost 3 times to one of the greatest dynasties ever, once without Kyrie or Love. The only losses he was to blame are 2011 and 2014. The reason I think Jordan is the GOAT is because he was better on defense at an age when LeBron wasn't and has made 9 1st team all defense while winning 10 scoring titles and being clutch almost every playoff series, while advanced stats suggest he was a slightly more productive player than Bron. Also he is undefeated on the biggest stage and never choked there but it doesn't mean Bron should be criticized so much for the 6 finals losses, he isn't the greatest but it shouldn't be used to say he will need 2 rings and otherwise he will never be the GOAT. Objectively he can without 6 rings
Also Jordan no matter the age or the time he took away from basketball before returning, was always one of the best or most of the time the best. He was MVP calibre at 39 before tearing his meniscus and after 3 years of smoking and beers
@@marykalyva225 You’re right. People should not criticize Lebron’s career. It’s one of the best, there’s no question. It’s the folks that think he’s close to Jordan that needs to be shut down. And like you pointed, the defensive play of both players should be in focus more. There was never a discussion of “Is Jordan an elite defender anymore” at any point in his career.
LeBron has the media by his side and fans.
And the facts and statistics too, don't forget that.
LeBron haters are just failures at life.
Lebron has been a part time player for at least the last few years, load management to the extreme! Makes it quite easy to Stat pad when you're not out there every game giving 100%
You don’t watch basketball he doesn’t load manage at all has he been injured? Yes but never a load manager
you people are absolutely insane I swear.
@@hzh0847 biggest load manager in the NBA, sits games out if he's tired. How many 82 game seasons has that sally played during his career? Lmao
@@hzh0847Lebron has load managed a couple times but for the most part he's definitely been injured
@@hzh0847
He load manages on D every single game
8:39 error on the Kobe graphic my guy.
Mamba retired at season 20
there can’t me a argument for anyone else
year 20, Lebron the best to ever do it, age 38 though? I think Karl Malone as the best player on his team and starting 80 games was superior. Also Kareem as it was pointed out, even if he was really the second best player on his team at that point. Lebron only played 55 games last season, great stats in a limited time frame. So Karl and Kareem were better at 38.
Kareem sure. Karl malone absolutely not
This is such poor reasoning lol. Bron put up these stats coming off of an injury and said stats are still far ahead of malone and Kareem. Neither of them were better
@@christiancevallos9820prove that he was injured. What has he done for this injury?
@@jeromegarner7196 Fuck you mean it was reported he had a tendon injury?
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Jabbar was also doubled-teamed every possession.
against the bad boys with 2 bigs under the rim hitting him hard...
I know it's out of a player's control, but players retiring in the Dead Ball era being compared to players in the easiest offensive era in NBA history is a bit unfair. There's a lot of inflation in offensive stats in the last 5 or so years.
Explain the inflation pls?
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Look, what LeBron is doing at this stage of his career is incredible. I will not take that away from him. But eras matter. When memes compare stats of Lebron in his youth and prime ( 08-14) to his old age now, its making it seem like Lebron is on the same level and or better than when he was at that young age. You have to be an idiot to believe that. This era is extremely inflated and easy compared to the 90s and 2000s.
Well no Brons number are still not as good as his previous primes but why is it so crazy to believe that he can still put up Hall of Fame stats at his age? I mean he did win a championship just three years ago and still took a bummy 7th seed lakers to the conference finals this year so why is it crazy? Maybe, just maybe, he’s still an excellent player
it's not about his age, it's about his 21st season
This video is about both
And age as well because age plays a big part
lebum fans always find a excuse or an exemption for their queen.. it's funny that they can use lebums age to praise him and also uses it to make an excuse 😂😂😂 hipocrites
Well its rather unfair when people have not always been allowed to go right from high school to the NBA
and I want to add up don't blow up lebum 21 year so much.. just in lakers he missed 1 and half season in total kiddo hahaha.. 132 misses game in lakers ALONE... when he said he's not cheating the game.. it mean he's cheating the game... he always uses his "injury" as an excuse for his load management.. and ironically nothing change about his speed and elevation.. he can score 40 and his injured? hahaha..
and also funny is that.. nothing has been reported about any treatment or surgery IF he is really injured 😂🤡
Kobe was still destroying the league at age 34, it's a shame because he could've been a monster toward the end.
I still think John Stockton and Kareem have an edge due to advanced metrics and the modern NBA making it easy to rack up stats. Kareem played 79 games and Stockton played all 82, that type of consistency at that age while dealing with a more physical game and hand checking, it's just a different level.
Lebron definitely has an argument though, you could say he's been tasked to do more than Stockton and Kareem while playing way more minutes. But both of those legends did what they were tasked to do expertly.
You really can't say that about LeBron tho. LeBron gets passes for every one of his shortcomings
@@hakeemolajuwon4352 I won't disagree with that, I'm a Lakers fan and I watched every game last season.
I'm personally taking Stockton who was nearly just as efficient, posted better assist to turnover ratio, 61% TS, 40% 3PT, 50 FG%, and is still giving you 1.6 steals a night in a slow paced era.
The more I think about it, it's not even close. I think Lebron at 38 gives you a bit more utility but he wasn't actually better than Stockton or Kareem.
bron is the best 36+ year old player. thats quite an accomplishment!
LeBron’s competition at season 21 is laughably bad 🤣
It's literally the exact opposite
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Lebron is great at his age , yes. However The change in the league has also helped him attain great stats at his age and him not playing full seasons has helped him have large per game stats as well. Lebron is always paradox and not even close to the goat 🐐
How when he went to 8 straight finals… how many games was that?
We get it you failed at life.
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar deserves gets the nod not just because of the legendary playoff performance but also because he played 79 games to LeBron James 55 games. Jabbar shots 60%FG as well. James basically just dominates the ball on a subpar squad.
Kareem as usual was bigger than that. He was playing to win championships.
Long time watcher here, good watch, though I feel like LeBron taking 20+ games off the last few years to make sure he is rested enough to keep these averages up should be mentioned. Would love to see this same list, but totals, instead of averages.
Now totals matter 😹😹😹
Robert Parish won a title in his 40s, I think that makes him the greatest old NBA player
he was a role player at that point, he averaged less then 6 ppg that season
😂
bro got carried, lebron didnt get carried 2020
i think you meant "oldest player to occupy a roster spot on a championship team"
On the Bulls?!?! 🤣 He was great on the Celtics, but that was long before that
A guy winning a championship and playing more games at age 38 and still being put below LeBron is wild
Just because he played more games doesn't mean he was better. Also that was the 2014 spurs, lets not act like Duncan didn't have help
I would say Kareem had a better age 38 season, but LeBron and Duncan is a bit more debatable here.
If LeBron has a better year next year than age 39 Kareem (arguably the last of Kareem’s prime), then I would say he has a stronger argument for the best longevity of all time.
Winning a Ring doesnt make him better than Bron at the age of 38 its a Team accomplishment where He was the 3rd Option LeBron is still widely considered Top 8 itl
@@expiredmilk5435 Duncan didn’t have AD and Westbrook level players on that team lol
@@jasonugwu8326 Bron isn’t even top 15
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