AMC 20 Disc Brake Conversion | Rebuild Part 6 | Jeep CJ7 | Project Rowdy Ep046
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- In Part 6, I will be doing a Rear Disk Brake Conversion of my AMC 20 Narrow Track Rear Axle. This video will include the installation of the SSBC (Stainless Steel Brake Corporation) Disc Brake Conversion Kit A130-02 which is for AMC 20 housing with one piece axles. I have just recently install the 1-piece Axle Kit (MSR-CJ-S) by Moser Engineering.
This video series will be available in a unique CZcams Playlist and will include the following upgrades:
- Weld the Axle tubes to the Differential Housing (strength)
- Eaton TrueTrac LSD Differential upgrade amzn.to/3O2eSv1
- Moser 1-piece Axle Kit upgrade (strength) www.summitracing.com/parts/ms...
- Motive Gear Ring and Pinion re-Gear from 3.54 to to 3.73 amzn.to/37IGrsM
- Extra Pinion Shims: amzn.to/3vuyose
- Extra Differential Side Bearing Large Shims: amzn.to/3zLT0Ph
- Drum to Disc Brake Conversion
- All new Bearings and Seals amzn.to/3uBzpiQ
- Large Bearing Separator: amzn.to/3oVvPMj
- Slide Hammer: amzn.to/3QqHJJF
- Feeler Gauges: amzn.to/3SuyVo3
- Clean and Paint the Housing
- VHT Satin Black Engine Enamel: amzn.to/3zCAJCX
All of this is being done to prepare this axle to be reinstalled in my 1979 Jeep CJ7 which is slated to for an LS LM7 5.3L Engine swap.
Project Rowdy is a restoration on a 1979 Jeep CJ7 V8 Golden Eagle.
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Intro: Alex Skrindo (Alive)
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Best Video on Disc Conversion for AMC 20 - Thanks from Austin, TX
I appreciate the incredible feedback. Best of luck and have fun with your project. Mike.
I have a 1985 CJ and I've been looking for a rear Disc Brake up-grade kit. What I've learned from your video is that i will not be buying the kit that you used...lol
Thanks for the great video very helpful and informative.
I think that is a well informed decision. 85-86 Year CJs are pretty sweet! Have fun with yours! Mike
Those tags are awesome. I will need to remember that for my next resto. Great job on the brakes buddy. That took a lot of investigation!
Thank you Bud! Like mine.... Your resto tool a while and I know you just went through the point where everything is together and you're trying to remember to check all the fluids prior to launch. Hell it may have been watching your videos a year ago that made me think... "How is he going to remember to...." Cheers and soon you'll be putting the wind in your hair! I'm envious!
Mike, another fine video. I'm so amazed at how you approach every project and keep up the great job.
Cheers to you Richard. Mike
Nice job on those brake lines they look nice and clean.
Thank you Sir. Wasn't really sure how it was going to turn out, but it was much easier to get a clean looking result that I had anticipated. Mike
Love the fluid tags. Reminds me of “Remove before flight” pins that are pulled from bombs before flights with live rounds. Looking forward to the D30 rebuild. +Subscribed. #ProjectRowdy
Thank you Reggie! The Project Rowdy keychain for this video has already been triggered and given away. There is still an open drawing on Part 4. There will be several more coming out with the Dana 30 rebuild which should have Part 1 released soon. Just media blasted and primed the housing today! Cheers to you! Mike
Those tags are a great idea, as a tech I used to take the keys of a car I was working on a which ever part of the vehicle i was working on and put the key on the fill place for oil, transmission whatever so I couldn't start and drive the car until I got the key from the fill spot
That is a good idea as well. In my situation there are many items that will need attention and I would be sure to forget something with the lengthy duration of my project. Cheers! Mike.
Mike, been following this project for a few years n your my favorite channel! I have a project of my own (1981 Jeep cj5) in a very very slow process,lol I just wanted to thank you again because, I know in the future I most definitely will be working on my project and saying to myself, thank god for Mike n all his video’s! lol hope you an your family have a Merry Christmas n a safe n happy New Years! Thanks again for the Project Rowdy Key chain to👍!
Thank you Kerry for taking the time to leave your comment. I appreciate the kind words and thank you for following along. It is a slow process! The key is to stay in gauged! Hope you have as much fun with yours as I am with mine. I just picked up a loaner tool from the local auto store to get my Pinion installed. Hoping to get that video out in the next couple of days. Merry Christmas to you and your family!!!! Mike
I'm 6+ years into my truck build. You should certainly sell those tags, they look totally useful.
Thanks for the feedback on the tags Jay. So many people struggle with long term projects. Cheers to both of us to keep them going. I am still really enjoying mine and it's going to get better as components start to be re-assembled. Cheers to you Sir!
@@UCanDoIt2Mike I interrupted my truck to paint my Neon. Figure it is good practice before I do the truck. Fingers crossed. lol
I love your videos, I've been following and re-watching for a few years as I build my CJ...Keep up your great work and I'll keep watching!! #ProjectRowdy
Glad you're here! I appreciate you following along. Best of luck and have fun with your CJ. Would love to see some video updates on yours! Mike
Can't wait for the Dana 30 rebuild! Keep up the good work! #ProjectRowdy
Thanks for the feedback. Hoping to complete and upload Part of the Dana 30 tomorrow. Wow... that just put the pressure on! Cheers! Mike
Thanks for doing this. I’ll be putting mine in this weekend. And they still have bad instructions lol
Did you need to do anything to the master cylinder
@@oldguyinacj721 I am in the middle of my restoration, so I have not completed the entire Brake solution yet. But Yes! An adjustable Proportioning Valve needs to be installed to be able to adjust the front to back braking relationship. My Jeep will be going from a manual MC to a Power MC along with a Proportioning Valve.
As always, a great video!
Thank you RJ!
Appreciate you doing this one!
Awesome! Hope it helps you if you are doing something similar. Mike.
Nice job Mike.........SSBC is located just north of me (Elma, NY). Their products are top notch from anything I've ever heard over the years........kinda pricey, which disuades some from buying them, but the quality is reportedly very good. Sorry to hear their instructions are sketchy. I'm piecing together the same type of conversion (w/various parts) on the back of a 96' C3500 cab & chassis dually I bought a couple years ago. With duals it's kind of a hit & miss proposition as there isn't a lot out there on them........products or CZcams info. The original GM drum backing plates are no longer available so it's kind of forcing my hand on the upgrade.......probably a better move anyway. Btw...... I sent a link to the video to SSBC directing them to pay attention to your critique at the end. They are a good quality company and it can only help them in the future......Good luck with the upgrade bud....;)
Great to hear from you Bob! As you indicated, I was rather impressed with the quality of parts that they has assembled for this kit, but the instructions were a disaster. Best of luck with C3500! Cheers.... Mike
@@UCanDoIt2Mike Yes.....been away and busy for awhile on various projects so haven't been on line all that much. Seems I'm jumping from one thing to another with no breaks in between. Being local to me, SSBC's products are very high quality so I'm sure you won't have issues with that. The phone call you described was a bit disheartening to hear (as well as the instructions), but hopefully they review the video and make some changes. Nowadays the online world can make or break you so I'm thinking they'll pay close attention. I hate to see a company produce a quality product only to drop the ball on the small stuff.
Looks great! Particular topic aside... this may be one of the best tutorials in general I've witnessed. Definitely qualifies for the CZcams ASME Certification tutorial series! AND... I'll tell you what... those viewers and their comments. Just when you think you know what direction you're headed... :)
Yeah. "Those Viewers" ! If I was smart enough, I would have mentioned your name and pointed out the added expense you caused... Ha! Just goes to show, that I am willing to listen to reason. Bottom line, I am happy with the result and want to thank you for mentioning it. You made me re-think it. Cheers! Mike
@@UCanDoIt2Mike LOL!!! Having just replaced a set of drum brakes on a family members vehicle this weekend, it reminded me just how much I hate drum brake maintenance/service. Hated on the CJ too! I feel like I was doing you a service! :) It caused me to seriously considered looking into a disc brake swap for a 2009 Focus! Then I regained composure.
Side notes: Your jeep have power or manual brakes? And will a 4 wheel disc master cylinder be necessary? I believe I used a 68 corvette disc/disc MC on mine, but there's other options if I recall. Also, may want to confirm that those brake lines do not interfere with the leaf springs. Tough to tell from the video, but looks close.
Drum brakes wouldn't be so bad if they didn't have so many dang parts. Seriously... If I answer your next question, is it going to cost me more money!!!!
The original setup on my Jeep was manual master cylinder. I have already decided to upgrade to Power (most likely vacuum). There are kits for (Disc/Drum) and (Disc/Disc). I will need to get the Disc/Disc version now that includes a proportioning valve.
I will double check the possible leaf spring clearance. Cheers!
@@UCanDoIt2Mike Knowing what I know now... I know properly matched manual brake parts are do just fine, to an extent. Extent being that rolling mass is part of the equation. My CJ came with manual brakes (drum rear) and 33" tires. Fine for the road. On the trail, pucker factor reached maximum capacity very quick. I added in a booster from a 94 YJ and a disc/drum MC, much more pleasant all around. Later went to disc/disc, using GM 1/2 ton pick up calipers and F150 rotors. Swapped in the 68 corvette MC which worked well, but could have been better had I used El Dorado calipers (which seem extremely similar to what you have).
Seeing that you already plan to upgrade to PB, looks like I'm all done spending your money... :) Look forward to the next video!
Too funny on you spending my money!
Another quality project, I feel your pain on wasting a bearing. My sons Honda had to be assembled a bit different than what was normal for me. I got a head start and pressed on a bearing only to have to destroy it to assemble it properly. #ProjectRowdy.
In those situations, I take a break and when I come back, I tell myself, Let get this thing done right! Cheers.... Mike!
Congratulations!!! Your Project Rowdy Tag entry was selected as the winner! Please send me a private email at UCanDoIt2Mike@gmail.com with information on how I can get the keychain to you. Cheers! Mike
Love your video. Very helpful!
Thank you Sir! Glad you found it helpful. Mike.
Great video! I’m really looking forward to the D30 rebuild. When I did the inner seal replacement, I bought the Freedom Racing 6764 seal installer with the Mopar 8110A seal cups. Pressed the seals in perfectly without damaging anything.
Hoping that I will be able to use my Bearing/Seal installation discs and a long bar of some sort to properly install those inner seals. I will be jumping on that D30 possibly later this week. Cheers!
Fantastic information!
Glad you found it useful. Have fun with your projects!!! Mike
Love the project its coming along great can wait to see the next #projectRowdy video
I appreciate you following along.... Cheers! Mike
Great video. I thought about doing it on mine. Possibly will down the road but I already had purchased all new drum hardware and parts.
I was kind of in the same boat. I had recently installed the Drum Hardware Kit and Just before making this decision, I purchased all of the extra hardware to "Add" the emergency brake features to the drivers side. The PO had removed it. Will have to pawn that stuff off now on Marketplace. Thanks for the feedback.
Love it be content and explanation always full and complete Ty #rowdy
Thank you Bruce. I appreciate the support. Mike #ProjectRowdy for Bruce Shepard.
Always a great job Mike! I will be curious to see if you notice a big difference once you get your Jeep on the road! 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Thank you Jim. always appreciate your support!
Mike, I believe you and worked together years ago off of big Shanty. If you are in fact the same Mike, we should connect! I've got a few projects of my own...
That would be me. Send me an email at UCanDoIt2mike@gmail.com
That brake kit looked quality but super confusing. Looks like you got it figured out though! #projectrowdy WOW as I'm typing this comment you said "Maybe you just want to sell that one and buy a different kit" UNBELIEVEABLE. Maybe it was that guys last day...
Definitely not a Kit for the faint at heart. Thank you Adam!
Thank you for watching....
A list of parts and tools that I used during the rebuild of this AMC 20 Axles is listed on my Amazon Associates Store: www.amazon.com/shop/influencer-8c6a35f2
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Looking great, can't wait to see more on this build 👍 #projectrowdy
Thank you Mike. Cheers to you Sir!
Greate video! Question, I'm still debating on keeping the drum brakes or replacing them into that kit. Have you been able to try them and see how reliable they are? I've seen a lot of negative reviews about the installation and in fact I came to your video because you did a review on their web page.
I am still in the middle of my CJ7 Restoration, so I have not tried them yet. As I mentioned throughout the build prior to this video, I was intending to keep my Drum brakes as well, until I came across a deal on this kit. I have 31" tires on the Jeep now, but plan to move to 33" and this upgrade may be a noticeable upgrade. I would say that is really depends on your configuration and needs. As mentioned several times throughout this video. If you rely primarily on Instructions to get this installed, you will be disappointed. I tried to provide some work arounds (combining the info from multiple documents). I could see Brake Shops laughing at the instructions, then throwing them away and just install with general knowledge of Disc Brakes, they would get through it. There are other kits, might might provide better instructions if you need that. Otherwise, I hope that I provided enough to help you through it. Cheers! Mike
Are the hard line to soft line mounting brackets going to be obstructed by the leaf springs once installed?
Yes! Great catch. I saw that when I was putting the wheels on. I have re-bent the hard lines so that the brackets now are twisted out of the way. Thank you! You get a GOLD Star. Cheers to you! Mike
Hey Mike thanks for all the awesome videos. Currently restoring an 82 limited down here in Augusta. I fell victim to the poor instructions of the ssbc brake installation. I put one of the backing plates on the axle incorrectly. The plate is facing forward but with a sharper angle then the other plate. Just wondering if there's danger in not having symmetrical brakes positions. Ill see if I can send you pics.
I understand what situation you are probably in. The one side with the incorrect bracket orientation would leave you with a choice of a rear caliper just below center or possibly mounting it on the front upper quadrant. But to your question and predicament. I am certainly not a Brake expert and therefore would hope you take this as just information and not a recommended direction.... I think I remember once hearing that caliper location (Front versus Rear
Thanks Mike for all the help, I appreciate your thorough instruction and quick tips!
Hey Mike, love your videos. I have a question about the master cylinder. Do you have to replace it with one for all disc brakes? Thanks in advance.
Thanks for the feedback!!!! Let me answer your question with what I know. The Old CJs never had very good brakes. There are different listings for FrontDisc/RearDrum than for Disc/Disc. My original setup was Disk/Drum. The most important part of my upgrade is that the original Proportioning Value will. It work with my new setup. It needs to be replaced with an adjustable Proportioning Value. I am also changing from a Manual MC to a Power MC. So mine is changing anyway. This could turn into a half hour lunch conversation, but my plans are to purchase a proven disc/disc solution. Speedway, MBM, and A-Team have solutions for my setup. I have not purchased it yet. Getting close to making that decision. I would prefer an all Black solution. Not real fond of the yellow anodized boosters. Hope this helps. If you find a better solution, let me know. Mike!!!
@UCanDoIt2Mike Thanks for the super quick response. Good info, hadn't thought about the proportioning valve.
Nice work your doing on this project! - I'm currently installing Rear Disc Brakes on a Dana44 in a 86CJ7 - I had couple of questions about the orientation of your calipers, shouldn't the bleeder screw be on top in order to allow all the air to escape? and the inlet on the bottom? other wise the air will not bleed out of the rear calipers. And it my have been asked and answered but what proportioning valve did you use?
Great Questions.... For the Bleeder Screw.... Yes it should be on the top of the caliper to help it remove the air from the caliper's hydraulic camber. The kit that I bought, had a bleeder screw in the Banjo Bolt. If you look closely, I have two bleeder screws. The original screw and location is basically useless (to low). See 29:32. The Top Caliper port is both the fluid supply and bleeder location.
I have not purchased my Proportioning valve yet. I am still deciding on my brake booster. My OEM setup was manual brakes. I will be upgrading to power brakes and will need to find a booster, and Disc to disc PV... hopefully in a kit form.
Hope this helps.... Mike
@@UCanDoIt2Mike I did not see that bleed screw in the banjo bolt, never seen one of them cool. I'm surprised at the lack of detail in the SSB kit. Thanks
I have a 1985 CJ7 that I'm doing a swap to 5.3L LS and a AX15 transmission. I am planning to do the disc brake conversion with a one peace axle. Is it possible that the conversion kit you have was for the later model wide axle and that is way the brake lines was longer than needed for your narrow axle. I did like your solution. Where did you get the other set of installation instructions from? I have watched all
of the #ProjectRoudy videos, some of them more than once, they are the best.
Sorry for the confusion I was referring to the hydraulic brake lines. and yes the e brake cables are different, longer on the passenger side to reach over to the e brake equalizer on the driver side
I purchased the 3 Emergency Brake Cables separately (Forward section, Driver's side and Passenger's side). I believe they are Crown. The problem that I outlined in the video was not an over all length issue. I am not sure if there are different cables for Wide Track versus Narrow Track applications, but if there are, the Cable Length versus the Cable Housing length I believe would be the same difference. I believe that in both situations, this issue would exist. Not sure I have explained that well. But I like the way you think!!! The A130-04/A130-05 instructions I found in a Google search. They were published on a Summit Racing page. If you can't find it, let me know and I can get it to you.
I'm going to fix your Project Rowdy entry with the following: #ProjectRowdy for Robert Geiser
Hi Mike, My question is, Can you get over the counter replacement rotors, or do you have to order from SSBC when you need replacements? #projectrowdy Great Video!!!
I've been wandering the same thing! I am thinking about picking up a spare set of rotors for the future. The Rears typically last a little longer than the fronts. Once I go through 2 complete sets, I can try to find an alternative rotor. That was the one piece that they did not mention where it came from. Cheers Wayne! Mike
apakah dengan ini parking brake bekerja menjadi satu dengan travel brake? atau harus membuat nya di propeller shaft dengan drum?
Saya akan menebak sedikit. Rem Perjalanan bekerja dengan piston kaliper dengan hidrolika dan mekanisme Rem Parkir bekerja dengan piston kaliper yang sama melalui tuas mekanis.
Great Video. When are you gonna start the 67 Camaro?
It is a 68. I will be doing little things as they are needed, but the full resto will take place after the Jeep. I’m using the Jeep as a training ground. Honing my skills.
Hey Mike, when you had to convert from the drums to this disc kit, did it end up making the total assembly longer? When you put the wheels/tires on will they still sit where you want for the stance?
Ive got a 79. Same thing, bent the backing plate.. mine is a two axle. But wondering if I should ahould change out to a single axle now...
That said back to the first question. 15X8 wheels, 32x11.5 tires.. was going with a 4"bs and -12 offset so that just the bulge of the sidewalls is showing out from under the oem flares. Would i still have a that stance with the conversion or does that mess up everything? Would I need to change the BS and offset of the wheels to get the stance that I want?
With both the Drum and Disc setups, the Wheel Bearing is installed on the axle to the same depth. In both setups the bearing installs into the housing to the same depth, so the width between rear wheel flanges are the same. This should also be true if you used a two-piece axle in both scenarios. So "Total Assembly Longer".... No.
So whether you go with 1-piece or 2-piece axles.... OR Drum/Disc.... Your overall width should not change, therefore no adjust needed for BS or Offest if you liked what you have.
Great questions! Cheers Mike
@UCanDoIt2Mike Thanks Mike, Grateful to you. Been pulling my hair out lately trying to get the project moving. Finding the info and bits of knowledge has been painful. Trying to get ot back on the road before I die man. Lol
Hey Mike. Finally past the drive train component rebuilds and now installing the SSBC A130 two piece axle conversion kit amd had a question Boit the wheel studs. My step son helping with all this said he wants the version of studs with a longer shoulder so they fit better/more snug? Any idea what he's talking about? He said the regular oem studs with a Shorter shoulder would leave a little space around the stud?
Question: It’s hard to tell from the camera angle, but wont those flex brake lines interfere with the springs?
Yes! Another viewer pointed that out. I have rotated them to make them clear. You get a gold star for being very observant. Cheers! Mike
Lol. Thanks for the vids. I wish I had a shop or garage to work on my CJ’s.
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Looks like you enjoyed it. Cheers Mike
How about the proposing valve? Does it need to be changed?
Yes! The current proportioning valve is for Disc/Drum combination and would not be suitable for the new setup. I am converting to a vacuum booster and will be changing the PValve as well.
Have you bleeded them yet ? I can't get mine to bleed
Hi, where did you find that new knuckle assembly? Thx. Reuben
This is the Rear axle which does not technically have knuckles. Are you talking about the Rear Disc Conversion Kit. I purchased this one on ebay from a gentleman that ended up living 15 miles away. I saved on the purchase price and the drive to get it was free. The kit details are in the video. Let me know if that is not what you're asking about. Mike
@@UCanDoIt2Mike Hi, no the front hub assemblies you did over.. Thx
#projectrowdy
Love it! Thanks for watching!
Count me in for a set of tags if you decide to make them available!
Excellent! Thanks for the response. Cheers.... Mike
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Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for watching! Mike
What is the Part# of the 2 parking brake cables you used ?
Crown from Quadratec
Left J5353238
Right J3233904
@@UCanDoIt2Mike thanks!
@@UCanDoIt2Mike
Can you recheck the part# please.
I got the j5353238 in and it’s the cable from the foot pedal back
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Heck yeah! I saw your video on your SOA upgrade. I misspoke stating that I was doing the same. I have purchased the Rocky Road Outfitters CJ Suspension package with the YJ spring conversion. I will be doing that installation shortly after I cleanup my Frame with my newly upgraded Axles!!!! Mike
@@UCanDoIt2Mike if you have questions ask away. You’ll need a 5/8 drill. That’s going to be fun.
If you drill the knuckle separate bracket you might have alignment issues
@@UCanDoIt2Mike most importantly did you like and subscribe???
@@UCanDoIt2Mike you will like the kit.. it is well made... but you should be prepared to do some drilling... maybe use a digrinder? it is a bit snug in places
What's the brake conversion kit number?
SSBC (Stainless Steel Brake Corporation) Disc Brake Conversion Kit A130-02