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- Asmongold Clips / Asmongold Reacts To: Algeria boxer Imane Khelif wins Paris Olympics 2024 fight when opponent Angela Carini quits, a huge controversy started after people begun to question if the Algerian fighter was a trans woman
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Now’s a good time to start placing bets on “woman’s” boxing.
ez money
she has higher testostarone but can be pregnant = woman lol
Alex Stein beat you to it.
She isn't trans, she is intersex. She was born a woman with a female anatomy but has a xy chromosome too which gives her a bit more testosterone that typical women. She can also give birth whereas trans women can't as they do not have a uterous.
@@Syndratic Exactly she was born a women, she is intersex she has a uterous she can get pregnant. But trans woman can't as they never had a uterous.
If South Park is the new Simpsons as far as historical predictions, we are truly fucked as a society.
😂
tbh, South Park is more of commentary of the present, rather than predictions for the future.
I'm just looking forward to MechaStreisand levelling Colorado.
Since 2012 where you been
this is so true lol
Serena Williams said it best. Everyone arguing she was the best tennis player and she said if she competed with the top 1 male tennis player, it would be 6-0 in 15 minutes for him.
Serena Williams is, ALSO, a man ! And so is Venus !
It would be 6-0 6-0 in 15 minutes. Tennis has 2 sets minimum it's even worse than you think
Notably though, she would still kick ass playing against most male tennis players. The best dps feral druid will do more damage than 70% of warriors probably, but against the top warrior players, its not even close
@@FurryCombatWombathow is losing in a shutout "kicking ass"? The athlete herself admits men are physically more capable and I'm pretty sure she knows what she's capable of more than you. Don't see how she would "kick ass" in any way.
You're arguing for the sake of arguing. Stop@@BlackHawk21ification
It still blows my mind that people are surprised that women with higher T levels dominate athletic events. It's the same for men events, T literally drives lean body mass and muscle development. It may not guarantee a win but it absolutely creates more opportunity than skill in any event raw strength matters.
um but she doesn't dominate though, have you looked at her record, she's lost nine times, and has a KO percentage of like 15%. other female boxers have way better records.
@@conorhughes789 You still need training even if you are a genetically engineered soldier. You know it's possible to edit human genes?
This one a mutant but it's the same. Would you box an Astartes?
@@ImperativeGames I'm not sure I understand your analogy. are you comparing her to an Astartes? and she has had training. she has boxed as a woman her entire life. people are acting like her having a genetic advantage over other woman is unfair, I'm making the point that its clear from her record that her genetic advantage is clearly not giving her that big of an advantage, as other women without that genetic advantage perform better then her and manage to beat her.
@@conorhughes789 I am comparing the situation to Astartes competing in sports.
Your mistake is that you are thinking about this situation as a one time problem some person has. You should see the bigger picture or you'll never be able to solve issues many people have.
@@ImperativeGames This is a one time problem though. the reason there called genetic "anomaly's" is because there anomalous, meaning there rare. if you want to look at the grand scheme of things why do we allow any type of genetic anomaly to compete in sport? look at Michael Phelps he has Marfan Syndrome or Miguel Indurain with his insane lung capacity or even Usain bolt who was born with a huge number of twitch muscle fibers. the fact is some people are born with advantages that others don't but does that mean we should exclude those people from sports because of that?
This is the closest thing to Sam Hyde vs Hasan Piker we are going to get
Loooooooooooooool
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Imagine all that training. Just to face someone at a physical level you can’t train to.
Why is this more of a topic then an actual rapist competing at the Olympics
@@dewolx7411that was the argument asmond made at least
Just vegeta things
@@dewolx7411actually they were born female but have this thing called intersex didn't even realize it existed and also she can get pregnant
Mike Tyson had entered the chat
If I recall, there was a similar issue at a previous Olympics where there was a female track runner who didn't even have a genetic condition of any kind, she was just plain XX chromosome female, but they had just implemented rules regarding Trans athletes, and at the time they determined who was and wasn't eligible by testing their testosterone levels, and if they were over a certain threshold, they weren't allowed to compete in the women's division. Well, it turned out that this female track runner had a naturally crazy high level of testosterone for a female, and so they didn't let her compete. So yeah, trying to figure out how to enforce the right amount of fairness with this issue is definitely not easy
Also it is kind of shit. I mean, it almost seems to me that the woman division has then nothing to do with been a woman, but with been an "average" woman. You are not allowed to be the best, because you are disqualified.
In the case of this woman, been from Algeria it means there is NO WAY in hell she is going to be allowed to compete with men, so basically, is complete discrimination against people who do not fit in a box in the name of "fairness".
If that is the case, we should also test testosterone levels in men, and if someone is outside of the norm, even if that is just because of how they are, they are no allowed to compete.
Then, top athletes in both, women and men divisions will drop like flies, and we will end up with average boring, but "fair" competitions, and the best of the best in shame.
That girl should have been disqualified. Above normal testosterone levels are the most blatant sign of doping.
@logomarkz A. No it isn't. That's not what "doping" is at all. B. She wasn't taking anything, she's always had abnormally high testosterone levels
@@logomarkz doping is a way of artificially boosting your red blood cell count and hemoglobin. Has almost absolutely no impact on testosterone production
@logomarkz also, just in general, if doping was actually that easy to catch, then we wouldn't have so many athletes doing it all the time. That's half the reason track stars and cyclists use doping instead of PEDs, because it's way, way harder to prove doping than to prove PED use
Imane Khelif Wins First-Ever Gold Medal In Freestyle Domestic Violence
She is intersex and can still get pregnant, she is a woman.
Lmao oof 🤣
Wait, taiwan have too XY fighter Lin Yun Ting, haha
This is the final form of "mixed" martial arts
iman is a biological woman. I'm from her country too and we already had her investigated and made her prove she was a woman. Algeria literally has a law that bans any p r ide flags or anything too "gay". You guys seriously think she'd still be alive in Algeria if she was t r ans?
You know society is cooked when we cater to the exceptions rather than the rule
iman is a biological woman. I'm from her country too and we already had her investigated and made her prove she was a woman. Algeria literally has a law that bans any p r ide flags or anything too "gay". You guys seriously think she'd still be alive in Algeria if she was t r ans?
When was the rule to allow rapists to compete at the Olympics? If you think this is a more dangerous and pressing matter society is definitely cooked.
"Men with the capacity for pregnancy"
@@Rrr20058bvsccapable of pregnancy-I say not. Have you seen the bro? 😂
I mean, the same arguments you're making for transpeople/DSD - they made for black people back then.
They were struggling with improving viewership in women's sports, so they studied men's sports to try and figure out what the difference is. After finding out that the difference was that men's sports had men competing, they decided to implement that feature into women's sports.
Rofl
Just needs to be saturated with trans athletes to the point it is just 2 trans dudes in a dress boxxing it out
Omega of the LULs
Holy shit my sides! Lol
Imma just sit back and watch them revert this back once women start dropping like flies and their side of the sport gets taken over by the trans athletes... at that point why not just create an entire division altogether?
When Imane lost to female boxers 7 times before, nobody called her trans.
Yeah, this one is just not as black and white as trans athletes competing in Women's sports.. They're a mixed-gender person, like for real this time, not the reddit definition, so it's tough to say in this case.
True
@@biggusy25 i agree with you. the particulars of this case is way more complex and needs a deeper level of discussion. even though her chromosomes are XY, due to her genetic conditions her genitalia probably resembles that of a female considering she was given the female sex since birth. Imane lived her entire life as a female. forcing her to compete in men's category simply because her genetics is XY is also equally unfair to putting her in female's category for other athletes. its why Imane and Lin always has their T levels checked before a fight. and whenever its above a certain level they have to forfeit. i think thats still the best approach but if someone has a better idea i am open to hear it
She was also banned from many competition's.
Yep, she aint a trans, its just so stupid that people believe otherwise, and heck, that Italian is literally a drama queen, what she expected? A girly slap fight?
OMFG this olympics is fkin circus
Nah it’s been real fun so far. The 2/3 incidences have made headlines.
Bruh fr fr
because a woman slipped on a mat when facing a women with higher testosterone?
Always has been
She is intersex and can still get pregnant, she is a woman.
What I find incredibly funny is that a lot of people are going batshit insane about trans athletes being banned from competing. But all I ever heard was that they shouldn't be allowed to compete > against women men), trying to force their way into a competition with only men... Gee I wonder why ? Can't be because they know they'd be destroyed without an unfair physical advantage right ?
"Then for some reason I've not heard about someone having made the opposite transition (women > men), trying to force their way into a competition with only men"
You can learn about Mack Beggs, who was forced to compete against women as a trans man despite wanting to compete with men because of the idiotic Texas law pushed by conservatives.
She’s a fucking woman though, assigned female at birth, identifies as female. There’s been so evidence to suggest she’s a man.
1- Ure saying >against women< as if it means something , if she was born as a woman with the female genitalia and lived her whole life as a woman ,What makes u think that she should compete in a men's competetion rather than women's one? Just because she has a higher level of test? Are u going to check the test level of all the women competing and flitering the ones that have an advantage compared to others? , Even Males are different , some ppl have low level of test whilst others have high levels of test , are u going to do that in male competetions too?, By that standard arent u just making it unfair to people?, The whole idea of sports is being gifted physically , Thors the world strongest man was gifted with an incredible height and strength , should he get eliminated because he was born that way? cmn now ///// 2 - I agree that if someone is trans should compete with females but she isnt , if she was a born as an intersex ( not a transition ) , there are alot of intersex people that get to choose which genitilia to keep at a young age and they live their life as that gender for the rest of their life , They'll function exactly like the people from that gender ( if their situation was alright and their reproductive systems worked fine after the surgery ) , However if someone transitioned from man to female , i do agree that they shouldnt compete with females , because by the time they transitioned their body wouldve been built way differently than a woman's. //// Intersex people are not really trans people because they arent transitioning from one gender to another so unless you wanna create a whole seperate category for them then the situation will stay as it is , They prob didnt do it and kept it this way because its hard to make it fair between intersex people as the advantages and disadvantages would be worse than the ones we have now imo
@@Sh-kx2rpexeption makes the rule😂
@@Sh-kx2rp And literally everywhere else is forcing women to compete with men. We get it. You hate Texas and Conservatives. Your singular instance doesn't really compare to the hundreds elsewhere. Where yes, you can thank the Liberal left.
Funny, as the "Feminists" you'd think they'd be against men beating women, but I guess if you cross dress it's still A-okay to be a womanizing wife beater.
I liked it better when South Park was just a joke.
Could we go back to that, please?
Trans have done more for equality in 5 years than the mens rights activists did in 50. As someone who is pro equality, this is great
Sadly no.
It was never a joke ….. it’s been spot on from the jump 😂
I agree, all this live-action shit kinda blows
It was only funny because it was true.
If she's a real women, not taking any enhancement drugs then she has every right to compete right? She's just insanely overpowered but people want to see the best of the best.
She's born a woman, she has a womb, but also has high testosterone. She's a unique one.
But she's not that too OP. She got many losses in boxing too. I think that her Italian opponent just have skill issues..
Dualisme of the people of western the country lol. Some want trans woman to compete in women division and the other getting furious when non western country biological woman that looks like a man winning in olympics. Lol
exactly
She's not insanely overpowered, the Italian chick was just under prepared
In the same categories, yes. She has XY, male chromosomes. Tests show male. It's a regulated sport, not some free-for-all side show.
Another victory for the boys!
She ain’t trans
Still undefeated 😂
😂😂😂😂😂😭😭😭😭
Girls rule boys drool!!!
we are better
Asmon should look at the retired Turkish hitman winning silver medal. Dude looks like the "dont talk to my daughter again" Dad
yooo that dude was a legend. He looked like they just told him to compete that day. No gear, just a gun and a polo shirt. Shoots with his hand on his pocket XD. Meanwhile all his opponents have full gear with visors and electric shooting glasses n shit
Dude came in like john wick pulled a gun and won a medal
@@slayerbllade Dude was so much impressive than that 7/10 looking Korean woman the entire Internet is simping over for some unfathomable reason. And I'm being generous, she'd be more of a 6/10 if I was sober.
He saw it as well, it’s on his Twitch
@@slayerbllade hand in pocket is a shooting stance
As a boxer myself, where our gyms owners daughter tried out and almost made the US Olympic team, with MUCH better technique and skill than I, all us males STILL take it super easy during sparing with her because of the biological differences even tho just straight up she's a better boxer than I. No matter how good she is, it doesn't change the fact that if I really wanted to I could probably break her face with 1 punch if I wanted to. It's just biology. This is absolute insanity and many gyms, including ours put out statements shaming the Olympics for this. hope other gyms speak up.
Hey I think that's super cool the gym's owner tried out and almost made it!❤❤ need more stories like that.
The person is a woman tho born with woman parts tho right? So like her chromosomes having a genetic abnormality doesn’t mean much that’s like complaining about Phelps having a long torso that’s good for swimming
iman is a biological woman. I'm from her country too and we already had her investigated and made her prove she was a woman. Algeria literally has a law that bans any p r ide flags or anything too "gay". You guys seriously think she'd still be alive in Algeria if she was t r ans?
@Bozowomp stronger muscle, denser bones, faster reaction time. Pretty simple. XY
@@dustinbowersock1042 none of what you just said made it simple lol. Lebron is stronger and faster than Steph Curry. And if we want to keep it to fighting Alex Pereira has freakish strength compared to most fighter of his size/length.
There is a reason men's boxing also has WEIGHT classes. We don't allow heavy weight fighters to "identify" as feather weight boxers to beat the snot out of them. Even the UFC which at one point didn't have weight classes had to add them because the lighter weight fighters don't stand a chance against bigger boxers. Size matters. Women are just not the same size as Men.
So your logic is that every man in a body building competition who has advantages in his genetics should be excluded from the competition because he has genetic advantages right?
And from now on every sport should test the competitors dna to put them in genetics based groups right?🤦♂️
Every other sport men or women body building or swimming or even Rubik's cube solving the genetically superior person would easily win against the others, and she's genetically superior to the other boxer that is why she won, she didn't cheat she didn't purposely injected her body with testosterone like some freaks, she has a natural higher testosterone level in her body, and shaming her for winning is like shaming an autistic person for solving a Rubik's cube faster than the others, what is happening is not trans phobia it's discrimination from the west against the middle east if an actual trans beates a middle eastern woman then it would be a different story.
@@kotybakm2334 genetic advantages in stuff like body building already self exclude. What kind of nonsense is that statement? Body building is a competition about having the most muscles defined on the human frame. You can either do it and compete or not. I am no body builder as I lack the genetics for it. I could try but would lose every time and instantly.
Some sports are also more niche in their calling. Body building does not garner a lot of people to the sport. Boxing and other competitions do. As such, to offer more fair competitions we have divisions. That is the point of divisions. Here's the deal, most sports are not men's and women's divisions. They are ANYONE divisions (aka open divisions) and then there are lower competitive divisions like women's divisions or lower weight brackets. Women can certainly join the "male" aka open division and fight against men if they think they got the chops. Nothing stops that. The open division is about the best man or woman winning. The issue is that if there only one open division that would prevent people who are not quite as good from ever competing at all. So we have lower divisions like Women's divisions for that reason. It is a lower competitive value and meant specifically for that reason. When you allow a top competitor into a lower level division, it destroys the point of the lower division.
@@checkyoursixgaming you are saying what I am saying so naturally the genetically superior would win and it's not cheating
@@checkyoursixgaming you're so close to understanding
@@kotybakm2334 The dude doesn't even have tits. Pretending it's not a transformer because Algeria isn't going to convince anyone.
The reality is that the “men’s” category is the open category (no limiting factors), and the “women’s” category is a special category (limiting factors).
XY is the most simple way to tell whether you are a man or not.
That's why she/he should do the DNA test and prove which gender he/she is.
Medically there are times when someone has XY chromosomes but are born with defects where testosterone is not produced due to defects in the receptor or the proteins that activate. Vice versa can happen with women. It's not exactly as clear cut as it seems sometimes but I think the problem is that such cases were always a very small portion of the population and were essentially a defect. Tournaments should follow a clear standard and having people with unfair physical advantages or disadvantages compete is against the spirit of such.
@@averagejo7840 so fucking what!? XX should still be the rule.
@@averagejo7840ok, maybe, you probably right, but based solely on the graph that asmon (editor) shown, all three XY columns had "testosterone in male range".
@@averagejo7840 No its very clear cut. Having defects does not give you a special privilege to compete, especially when women could get seriously hurt over it. It it not a right to compete. It is a privilege. There are many reasons why sports or competitions may be out of the question for you... Figure something else out with your life. There are millions of possible callings or purposes you can have. Being disqualified from some of them suck, but its not the end of the world. Do something else.
This is exactly right, it's not bigotry to say say sorry about your condition, but your rights don't supersede the safety of all the other competitors
I agree with your sentiment, but your wording is very wrong.
It's not her right to compete. it's a privilege. And it's everyone's right to be safe.
The way you wrote it sounds like the reasoning comunist and tyrants take away rights. "For everyone's safety."
Rights are of utmost importance.
Safety is not a priority in boxing lmao
The problem is where and how do you possibly draw that line? Throughout history, there have been a number of athletes with biological advantages over their counterparts, thats been sports since they were invented.
This woman was, for all intensive purposes, born a woman. Does a genetic offset bar her from entry? Does a man with an abnornal testosterone levels that crushes his competition deserve to lose his job, his dream, because of something out of his control? I dont like where this line of logic goes.
@@manchovieclemmons2380 I agree with you. I don't know the statistics but surely there is always 1 person that stands out genetically. How are we or the federation in this case going to penalize the person for following the rules. If you see it, it's almost saying okay he/she belongs in a new division for "naturally enhanced individuals" which would be incredibly stupid to segregate sport even further.
I mean she's beatable though. She loses a lot. So her genetics obviously doesn't give her enough edge to be at the top. Also if you actually watch boxing, some fighters are just unfairly gifted. For example *Marvin Hagler literally had a thicker skull which broke the hands of others boxers, thicker head muscles which made him almost immune to knockdowns, longer arms, shorter torso which made it almost impossible to target his body, and he had higher testosterone levels which made him faster and stronger than others, on top of that he was highly technical and smart.* By all means he was the perfect fighter. And the only high profile loss he had is considered a robbery by most modern analysts.
EDIT: There's a reason why whenever there's a "Hagler vs Floyd" thread, the most popular answers are "Hagler by decapitation".
The finals of female boxing game is...two males lol
So brave and stunning!
... just like Lady Ballers lol
Time for men to be on top of woman of the year again, we've been slippin.
So their answer to inclusivity in sports is to get rid of the females? Got it!🤣
woman pushing their woke agenda left them without space in their own gender lmao
She's so overpowered that she's lost 9 amateur fights already...to women....i don't understand the issue
Ivan Drago: "If (s)he dies, (s)he dies."
Also, I saw someone saying that both trans boxers were banned from competing against women but the olympics committee said "nah, you're fine".
The olympic heads removed the international boxing associations that had them banned from controlling positions, so their bans could be made void.
This was deliberate.
iman is a biological woman. I'm from her country too and we already had her investigated and made her prove she was a woman. Algeria literally has a law that bans any p r ide flags or anything too "gay". You guys seriously think she'd still be alive in Algeria if she was t r ans?
@@galvanizeddreamer2051 olympics allowed a child r*pist to participate so it's not a surprise they'd do this.
I'm not even sure which side the IOC is on, cuz if he really does decap someone, that's not a good look for the transformers. And y'all complainers should hope for that. I don't have a dog in this.
@@galvanizeddreamer2051 Hmm, wonder why this would be allowed, seems a vey controversial thing to do
What amuses me the most is they talk about inclusion in sports where women sports were specifically created to exclude men out of it so they could have their own playing field.
Everybody can participate in the category where men are, that's the real inclusive sport in my opinion, only the best remains
what really amuses me is how you don't realize that asmon have said she's a woman...not even trans. just has abnormal hormonal levels that give her more muscle and bone structure
@@alexanderfate8447 and you totally miss my point, but i guess you're talking to someone else in your head but not me
That is just stupid. Weirdo
@@nicolaspeigne1429 i didn't miss it. you just try to hide it under obscured phrasing
''they'' is obvious a reference to woke people
''inclusion'' is about clearly trans people
''exclude men'' is once again about trans women being excluded from women sports which is fax
''everybody can participate in the category where men are'' once more, about trans women and how they should participate in mens field. fax
so how did i miss anything of what u said?
@@alexanderfate8447 lol just no, the tests show that everything practically matches male levels.
"Gender is a social construct" Clearly there shouldn't be separate men and women divisions. /sarcasm
"Equal right and equal lefts for women."
If they want pure equality, make all sports and competitions gender inclusive and see just how many women or girls make it to the professional level.
Yep, such a BS statement. Gender was a thing for millions of years before society even existed.
The problem is gender even being included in olympic sport. It should go by natural born sex not gender.
you saying that a woman born with an uterus that can give birth is not really a woman or a man neither kinda prove that gender is a social construct
quit the self own honestly
@@Kat31017 there's no such thing. They are EXACTLY the same. Gender and sex are, always were and always will be the exact same thing...
Guys check your facts before spitting bullshit (especially in the comments):
The IBA, a *russian* organization, disqualified Imane 3 days after she defeated the *russian* undefeated boxer, thus restoring her undefeated status.
Later on, the IBA's Olympic status was revoked because the judges and referees were corrupt.
The International Olympic Committee also tested the athletes, and guess what - she qualified.
There is no actual evidence that she has any mutation/syndrome, nor is there evidence she has elevated testosterone levels.
The fact that you jump to such conclusions based of her not so feminine appearance is baffling.
I think you are also forgetting the fact she is from a muslim country - she would be killed if she were trans.
Also, this is a sport - there isn't supposed to be equality between athletes, it's whoever is stronger wins - would you say that the Judo gold medalist shouldn't compete because she is stronger than her opponents? Would you say that about the weightlifting gold medalist?
(before any of you jump the horse to curse me out in the replies - if there is actually evidence she is a man, Imane should be stripped of her medal and never to compete again, it's not like I'm defending men-in-women's-sports, simply stating the facts)
Thank you. Some actual reasonable thought here. The trans obsession has rotted some people's brains. The irony of the same crowd screaming that there's only two genders (dick or vagina) but suddenly want more distinction when this happens. I'm sorry, she's a women isn't she? With a vagina? What's the problem?
So, you blindly trust the IOC while they throw around claims of ‘flawed tests’ without showing proof? Interesting how you call out others for not having facts. The IOC's secrecy and their 'trust me bro' approach should be as much a red flag as any alleged corruption in the IBA. They've admitted to having data but won’t share it, hiding behind vague accusations. Why are they above scrutiny? And stop with the strawman tactics, making ridiculous comparisons to distract from valid criticisms. Seems like you’re picking which opaque organization to trust based on your own bias. Wake up and question all sides instead of parroting lines that suit your narrative.
Also, releasing any data about the tests done, would break numerous laws.. worldwide.. come on.
Exactly. This is less of an issue ify transgender women in sports and more Russian ops.
So, you blindly trust the IOC while they throw around claims of ‘flawed tests’ without showing proof? Interesting how you call out others for not having facts. The IOC's secrecy and their 'trust me bro' approach should be as much a red flag as any alleged corruption in the IBA. They've admitted to having data but won’t share it, hiding behind vague accusations. Why are they above scrutiny? And stop with the strawman tactics, making ridiculous comparisons to distract from valid criticisms. Seems like you’re picking which opaque organization to trust based on your own bias. Wake up and question all sides instead of parroting lines that suit your narrative.
Depends on the Islamic country. Iran was the first, and at the time only, country in the world where sex changes were 100% covered by Government healthcare and free. They would rather you transition if you're attracted to men than be a homosexual.
Michael Phelps is the most decorated Olympian in history and he's a freak of nature genetically.
It blew my man when I learned how he's basically the perfect swimmer genetically. If only he have flippers tho
Edit. I learned he actually has very flexible ankles so his feet do act as flippers when he swims
@@angellara7040 For real though! Sports is kinda about us regular people watching genetic freaks do nutty shit. I don't get the reactions to this.
Everyone knew it and nobody complained because he was competing with people closest to his physical level. Physical anomalies exist in exceptional circumstances, if men can just start competing with women, those anomalies will no longer be exceptional
Let him enjoy his medals, while it was never a fair game having him abuse his "genetical defect" versus normal people and by the way, the advantage he get's is massive. Yes I do understand, that this happens in other sports also, but you just can't call it an even playing field.
Well there is difference. MICHAEL PHELPS DIDN'T PUNCH PEOPLE IN THE FACE THUS RISKING SOMEONE'S LIFE. YOU HAD PROFESSIONAL BOXER GETTING DESTROYED IN 45 SECONDS LIKE SHE WAS NOTHING. SOMETHING IS NOT RIGHT YOU MORONS, DO PEOPLE HAVE TO DIE BEFORE THERE WILL BE SOME ROOM FOR TALK ABOUT THAT? These things require debates .
lol the chart had me at 'Testes'. That's a man.
Yeah, people trying to argue that's a woman are freaking delusional. Everything in that chart says it's a man.
i dont think a lot of people caught that one lol
That chart doesn't have a name above it that's why they call for a DNA test now.
@@valentijnrozeveld3773He DNA tested at the world's last year and was barred from competing. Then the IOC took over...
@@casualcausalityy That is a woman. Not a man. If you're going to be outraged, at least be factual.
This year's Olympics has been a joke from day 1
@@TheEggroll4321 I enjoyed skate board & diving & swimming so far. Hurdles & pole vault is my favorites.
@@jamesholland8057cool?
From day -2 when VAR took almost 2 hours to disallow a soccer goal.
how do you know since you have never watched any real sport?
They should be allowed to compete in a mixed division where both men and women compete…
But a biological male SHOULD NOT be allowed to compete in a women’s competition…
Why this is controversial I have no wordly idea
because despite the chromosomes, khelif is still biologically a woman: this happens when you have very low/no sensitivity to testosterone, and thus you don't transform from female to male in the womb. she's 100% a woman, with a complete female reproductive system, no male organs and so on.
Putting the T in TKO
She is not a trans.
This is so stupid, damn.
Apparently she was born female
UFC have weight categories for a reason, same should be done here as well
@@E-A-Z-Ywrong
@@E-A-Z-Yintersex with XY chromosomes and high testosterone
She is intersex and can still get pregnant, she is a woman.
Man, the feminism X LGBTQIA+ debate gonna be funnier than American elections
She isn't trans, she is intersex. She was born a woman with a female anatomy but has a xy chromosome too which gives her a bit more testosterone that typical women. She can also give birth whereas trans women can't as they do not have a uterous.
She isn't trans, she is intersex. She was born a woman with a female anatomy but has a xy chromosome too which gives her a bit more testosterone that typical women. She can also give birth whereas trans women can't as they do not have a uterous.
Sadly the more vocal feminist are just activist out for their career advancements.
She is intersex and can still get pregnant, she is a woman.
Most feminists are just following a trend.
And even still their only problems and concerns are just ending domestic violence and sexual assault.
A lot of feminist women are reasonable people but the loud ones which victimise themselves on every single shit like mansplaining, a girl in Spain who said the parliament was being sexist because of air conditioner , the "equal" pay gang , the lgbtq type of unshaved armpits woman , the average whore who wants to bring down patriarchy etc.... are the ones that are LOUD,leading academia and also having control of the media.
So the rest of the women are like slightly agreeing with the domestic violence and SA thing to NOT get caught in the fire.
In other words they just play safe to belong to a "group" and they dont speak up on these things.
In reality there are way less feminists than you think
the thing is that the whole XY thing is unverified, the IBA never published the actual test results, the decision came after she beat a russian boxer and the IOC itself doesn't recognize the IBA, she's not a "woman with a male bone structure" or anything of the sort
So, they ban people randomly or worse, specifically target individuals they don't want. And there is no recourse for untested or unproperly tested results, right? Apparently, in your world, that's the case. LOL
You think the guy playing wow for a living is going to look that far into anything before running his mouth to his viewers? Nah man
@@James-nu7jn he plays Wow?
@@Lichsnitch lmfao
pretty much. Also keep in mind that the IBA is practicly ran by the russians. There is even proof that in the most recent world cup the jury members gave unfair point advantages to russian competitors. If they find even the smallest thing that can make a russian win over somebody else they will take that. And the fact that the IBA refuses to elaborate on their test result is quite suspicious. Especially since she already participated for years. And suddenly when she beat a russian they claim they have that test.
I mean that's a woman straight up fighting xerxes
TRUE
No, because Xerxes has two x's this guy only has one of those and a y
Everybody pities that women who goes into boxing against a person in the same weight class at the Olympics. I'm sorry but a woman could beat xerxes and this Italian gal would have never won the Olympics in a million years. Has everyone forgotten this is boxing? I've seen women with much bigger bones and muscles than that algerian boxer and she lost to plenty of biological women. There are plenty of other women with no genetic differences that could beat both of their asses why is everyone freaking out jesus christ it's like nobody has ever seen a female boxer.
@@prismaticc_abyss xercyes lmao
'MURICANS like this right here trying their best to make Idiocracy a reality now.
Except it's not even funny.
It’s just downright unsafe to have this at the Olympics
iman is a biological woman. I'm from her country too and we already had her investigated and made her prove she was a woman. Algeria literally has a law that bans any p r ide flags or anything too "gay". You guys seriously think she'd still be alive in Algeria if she was t r ans?
What about the rapist that was competing. Is that more safe than a woman with higher testosterone? Sure both problems can exist but to completely ignore one is crazy
@@moonavirus4289 maybe they just dont know about the other one😱😱 because i didnt know about either of these until i saw this
@@XSETparad0x And why is this the one shown to you first 😱😱 The other one has had so much less coverage it’s insane. I’m not blaming Asmon for that but I can’t stress how insane that is
@@moonavirus4289 because no one cares about that normal crime anymore they got caught theyll be punished where as this is an actual problem
This clip doesn’t fully explain the situation. And since I believe it’s never okay to be wilfully ignorant I’ll give some more information.
Like he said. It’s illegal to be trans in Algeria. She was never a man. She was born female with female parts. But she has a condition called hyperandrogenism. Where her body has far higher levels of androgens (male hormones) than a normal female. Usually this leads to an XXY chromosome but her case is so severe she has an XY chromosome. Which led to people believing she was trans. Which again, she’s not.
Again, just so I can stress this as clearly as possible. She was born female. Or more specifically intersex. Externally her body is female but internally and genetically it’s male
Obviously this has a massive advantage. And whether someone like that should be allowed to compete in woman’s sports is what the argument should be about. But please realize this is a condition she was born with and has no control over, and making fun of her for it isn’t okay.
Thats not even true, there is no evidence or proof that she has that condition or that she has elevated hormones. The only tests she failed were unspecified tests performed by a russian led testing company known for corruption after she beat an undefeated russian boxer last year, causing her to be disqualified and the russian boxer retained her undeafeated status. Before that there were no issues with her competing in anything, including the 2020 tokyo olympics.
Good comment. Another important point is that there's only ONE source for the XY chromosome information, and it's that Russian doctor. Official results are confidential making the whole claim fishy to a point where IOC doesn't recognize IBA at all. Until we get new tests we should be careful with that and not assume she had a condition where maybe she doesn't.
@@neochaft1587Also important to note that the IBA chief lied about testing for testosterone. This brings their credibility down even further.
When the trait that gives you an advantage is also the trait by which the categories are divided, why would you be allowed in the lower category?
The logic would be the same if you boxed in a lower weight class, or your kid ran in a lower age bracket. Doesn't matter if you miss the bracket by an inch or a mile, if you missed it, you missed it.
if testosterone levels is what separates categories then it would separate men vs men too
the arguement in the video is that naturally born women with male genetics should compete with men.
personally, i feel there's something for both sides of the arguement. it's an advantage the same way a man born with a particularly frail body would be a disadvantage. that man would not be allowed to participate in women's sports.
The boxer was never tested for testosterone. The IBA chief lied about that and their own medical examiner later confirmed that they never tested it. Look it up.
Just imagine if Imane Khelif lost like 9 fights against other women boxers. No one would be complaining right? Oh wait she did loos 9 times. There are many female boxers with Olympic medals who have way better win to loss ratio in official matches compared to Imane Khelif, so saying that she has an unfair advantage sounds like a bit of a stretch.
@@CopperscaledNo there isn't and you guys don't make any sense. If she competed with men she clearly wouldn't win. If she competed with women sure she might have an advantage, but even in men boxing there's people with freakish strength that don't dominate. There's even male fighters with low testosterone.
Let furies compete with claws. I'd watch it.
well if its an all against all i dont care either 😂 😂 i´d watch it too.
I identify as a HOT 3 missile rocket launcher so i can compete too ?
I'll be there as
a Nimitz-Class Aircraft Carrier,
they better be inclusive
"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few" -Spock
not anymore, it's against DEI unfortunatly...
@@christophemortier5878 Its a biological female. Would 99% muslim Algeria send out trans man as their representative? Come on now. Dont lie.
@@christophemortier5878 That's not logical
those less then 1% make the most noise because they have to. otherwise they will fall into oblivion.
Nah it's "power to minorities" now
At first I thought the simplest solution was to allow men and women to compete together. But then I remembered that I like women's volley ball.
Men's volleyball just isn't the same as women's.
So with your logic, Phelps should be stripped of his medals, right?
"Do what's best for the most people and not allow someone like this to compete."
I think a better way to put this is "Preserving the competitive nature of the sport and over the inclusivity of a group of people." because it's not just one person. It's an entire class of people over the majority which is an important distinction.
her record is 9 wins and 5 losses how is that unfair
And yet they've rarely won anything before? It can't be that big an advantage if we're only finding out about this now.
Hmm. Idk I don’t see the harm if she was born a woman but has some genetic defect then I say let it happen. Michael Phelps was built like a damn dolphin with his big feet long torso etc. genetic abnormalities are apart of it. If this person was born a man it’s a diff story. But they were born a woman…
@@MrSilverwing13Thats called sandbagging. We also don't know how many of his other opponents also had testes. But considering he brutally beat an Olympic level fighter I'd say there was some funny business before this.
I agree, let’s ban all 7footers from basketball
The IBA (International Boxing Association) disqualified both athletes (Lin Yu-ting and Imane Khelif) after they failed BOTH tests in 2022 and 2023. "This test conclusively indicated that both athletes did not meet the required necessary eligibility criteria and were found to have competitive advantages over other female competitors." Imane Khelif withdrew the appeal. Now both can compete and the main problem is that boxing is a full contact sport, they can cause serious injury to their opponents.
That's a risk they understand from the start. Mike Tyson could knock out/kill opponents with a single punch. Biological variance will always exist, and if we start penalising people for simply being born with superior abilities, the entire premise of competitive events loses meaning. Every participant in these events is genetically exceptional in their own way. If we applied this principle across all sports, it would diminish the value of watching them altogether. We watch sports to see the genetically exceptional not watch the average human.
If that's the case, why didn't Tyson ever went up against a pro female boxer? Because his advantage in that case is unfair and that's why categories are in place. No matter how much a pro female boxer trains, she could never reach the level of a male boxer. @@Vhaal-666
@@Vhaal-666at least Mike Tyson didn't fight women
@@Vhaal-666this is a horribly illogical argument not grounded in anything but your feelings
@@JustSomeGuy009 🤣 Okay Ben shipero.
Notice how they change the color from red to blue so it is not too obvious
???
The south park clip is old, they did it first
The fact this has this amount of likes is indicative of Asmon's audience's average IQ.
@@zomfgeclipse that's the point, sir.
@@damgful yep full blown now. atleast used to be a minority
Khelif is a woman, always was. Italian Boxer had rhinoplastic surgery beforehand and the punch re-broke it. The transgender allegations are bull.
He hast XY chromosones so no not a woman.
@@stresslessmeditation8039 show the proof then. all the allegations for over weeks but a piece of proof? nowhere to be seen. IBA can talk shit all day long, they didn't come forward with any results. they can fuck off and you should think for yourself once.
Tne Simpsons used to predict the future before. Now the South Park predicts it and it's scary.
But this woman isnt trans. Her country would probably kill her if she was. She was literally just built different.
They have no XY choromosomes. There is 0 evidence for that. And they both passed the same test several times that IBA said they failed.
All the rumors came from one single russian who got kicked out for corruption from IBA, an association which got disqualified by Olympic for corruption. And even IBA announced they never tested their choromosomes nor testosterone.
There's no no report, no test result, nothing. Instead claimed they just failed to met "certain criteria", but refused to explain what exactly did they test for the competitors.
Not mention both of these boxers have compete in women's boxing for more than a decade, and passed the exact same test from IBA several times(Lin passed the test 7 times), along with numerous other tests. So why would they suddenly fail this one. It's just not possible that they somehow changed their choromosomes.
well it didn't the report on her being Trans was false then the report on her being a man with XY was false and she got to the semi finals already because the reports were targeted to get her out.
Not only that back in the other Olympic games there was another women who beat her so she is totally fine.
This is a legendary comment.
it didn't tho...did you even watch the video?
don't let hassan fans see this video
I'm a fan
yeah god forbid Asmon fans misread the situation and confuse an intersex person with a trans gender person....
@@NeverBestStudio If it is intersex then it shouldn't be allowed to compete against women. There's mens boxing and womens boxing. If they are trans or if it is intersex then a separate category needs to be made.
@@TranceMusicUK hook line and sinker
@NeverBestStudio this is what every right wing conservative channel is doing
So many people didnt even watch the video lmao
Welcome to CZcams xD
Watched the video and was disturbed by Asmon defending an abusive male in female sports citing questionable evidence produced by the woke. I really am not convinced by the genetic defect argument
@@JDH_MUSIC So u didn't watch it, asmon said the boxer situation is different from a trans person but still to preserve fairness a person with a genetic defect like that still shouldn't be allowed to compete for the sake of the majority of athletes
@@JDH_MUSIC Either you don't understand English, or you didn't watch the video. Be honest now.
@@JDH_MUSIC m000r000n spotted!
Exactly. The Algerian boxer isn't trans but he still has XY chromosomes and he still underwent male puberty. It is a rare illness but the situation is the same, he should be in the men division.
Keep also in mind that the Italian boxer isn't a nobody either. She is a champion and she was on the podium of many national and international competitions. If she felt that two punches from him put her life in danger, I believe her.
Where is the proof that Imane has this illness? The IBA has specifically NOT released any. Yet this russian lead organisation were happy to disqualify Imane 3 days after she defeated the *russian* champion. The IBA has been banned from the Olympics for 5 years because they are corrupt and you’d believe their non-released tests over the official olympic participation tests?
Even Angela Carini has apologized to Khelif several days ago so what exactily is there to believe here?
Both are biological women, one with higher testosterone and one with lower . Why everyone come up with conclusion with fase info on Internet .
Because she is not white women (west)
She was never tested for Testosterone by the IBA. Feel free to look it up.
“did iba test boxer for testosterone”
You’re either extremely restarted or purposefully misguiding people.
I did some googling after seeing this video and wanted to throw this bit of information out there for context. Apparently Khelif was previously disqualified during the 2023 boxing world championships after failing an unspecified gender eligibility and testosterone tests. Which is already a bad sign. However, I noticed that Khelif has been competing at top level as a boxer since 2018. She also competed 4 years ago in the Tokyo Olympics. However, she lost in the quarter finals to then winner Kellie Harrington. Some more info for context; in Algeria, changing gender as homosexuality are prohibited by law. As I do have my doubts myself about all this, I highly doubt the Algerian boxing federation would allow Khelif to box and represent their country here in the Olympics if she was actually trans. I think it goes without saying that Algerians don't want a trans to represent their country as the majority is Muslim and don't support the LGBTQ community.
One last piece of info. A while back there was a similar and complicated issue with South-African Olympic and World champion athlete Caster Semenya. She was born as a female, but with a "genetic disfunction" (XY chromosomes) similar to what Zack explains in the video. Her testosterone levels were (way) higher than average. So Khelif could be a similar case to Semenya previously. It honestly would not surprise me at all.
Trans doesn't mean you're homosexual, though.
They’re probably both are just genetic men with DSD and thus legally were recognized as women at birth because males bully you into self-deletion when you see your weaner looking weird in the locker room
@@Okurka. That's why I mentioned the LGBTQ community, since trans is included. LGBTQ = Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender and Queer.
@@PyroCham You literally said "changing gender is illegal as homosexuality is prohibited by law".
@@Okurka. That is a typo. I added homosexuality after. So it was a copy paste thing. However, both are prohibited by law in Algeria. Thanks for the heads up though.
in my country, there was a person with weird case of hypospadias and doctors were confused so they decided that the person is a girl. she lived her life as a girl with a guy body and strength. joined basketball team and destroy the woman teams. and then she joined the volleyball team and get so good she is one of the ace of the national team. she always felt like she's not a girl and its tearing her apart. and eventually the medical team ran a full tests on her and it turned out 'she' is a fully developed man. he joined the army and now happily married with his wife.
Wait, did he have a penis or not?
Its not the same case here, this athlete is born female but has hormonal disorders, its quite sad seeing the general public slandering her as a trans, outside of having an advantage in boxing it must be depressing living with such a disorder, especially in Algerian society beauty standards
Female penis?
Fun story. Provide the name. Making the 'national team' means they're not anonymous.
@@synnical77 you can find Aprilia Manganang from indonesia.
Another big L from Asmon. Women should fight women, Men should fight men. Just because she has won the genetic lottery for a women boxer doesn't mean she shouldn't be able to compete. This would be like saying Lebron James can't play Basketball because he's 6'6" and built like a machine, or Shaq couldn't play because he's over 7 feet. Just ridiculous takes here.
Exactly. It’s just conservatives finding something to be victims about
Notice how they’ve said absolutely nothing about the literal convicted pdf file Olympian
Weird, it’s like they don’t care about pdf filia
Asmon is red pilled, which is fine, but man this was an extremely dumb take. He’s been getting worse lately
meh. imo, xy competes vs xy, xx vs xx. simple
Yeah, right. Not like we already have rules in place to balance out genetic lottery like weight classes. Let's just let a woman with T levels equivalent to a man fight against women with normal T levels.
It's not like the best women in fighting would struggle to beat a male novice in their own weight category right.
@@cyannight7364 cry about it
@@cyannight7364 If we already have the rules in place then she will be in the correct class right? theres nothing to worry about. Theres no men involved so it's fine.
Ain't no way this is what made my favorite streamer mention my country for the first time
Literally ...
Insane to me how our country is now mentioned in this context KNOWING how being trans is viewed here lol
Ong bro this is crazy lmaoooo
At least he was reasonable to do some research, not like other people but agree that's fucked up that Algeria is becoming more notorious because of this
@@Amongusda ong bro just write Algerian in CZcams or a search engine and this would be is all what you'll get
Yeah, she's born female from what i read but she has hormonal disorders, sad how the public is slandering her as a trans, sure her disorder is an advantage but its not like she's doping or cheating its her innate constitution, you might not like it but this is what peak performance in her category looks like. Plenty genetic freaks athletes out there that people are ok with, but i guess people are hypocrits
It's unfair to call her a man but it's also unfair for other girls to compete against her...
she is actually not a strong boxer she has never won anything, it's just her opponent in this fight was the weakest boxer on the og
You can also say that would be unfair to see Messi or Ronaldo play in their leagues. That would be unfair to let Usain Bolt or Phelps compete. This is the olympics. Anybody who has competed in a high level competition knows that sometimes you have to face genetic freaks. You can say it's unfair if you want but that's the way it is. by the way she has been beaten by nine females before.
@@kaas228 she beat one of the lowest rated boxers who got her butt beat in a previous fight. It's no wonder she gave up so fast
Inb4 the olympics comission has the video taken down
its not better for anyone. she previously lost 10 times. the woman that lost this fight literally just quit. AND the organization that tested her is not recognized due to many other issues. We are literally just looking at her and saying, "she looks manly so maybe dont let her compete."
IOC doesn't test...they just look at your passport...which you can put w/e you want on it. When this all started a Test should been done to End this....they didn't. Red Flag
AND the organization that tested her is not recognized due to many other issues.
Don't you find it strange that Khalif refuses to do additional tests? This would be the simplest solution. Let doctors and comittee examine 'her'. Suspicious that ;she' refuses it tho. :P
Also, she is not a masculine woman. He is a man. He has XY chromosomes according to the gender test they made on him.
@@pepita2437the thing is, despite the chromosomes, khelif is still biologically a woman: this happens when you have very low/no sensitivity to testosterone, and thus you don't transform from female to male in the womb. she's 100% a woman, with a complete female reproductive system, no male organs and so on
Then just test her again... oh wait she refuses to spit in a vial... Its a miracle she is even allowed to compete if she refuses basic tests. Like even if she didnt have a hidden salami her refusing tests should mean she cant compete on the risk she might be dopping.
@@irmiwolf and your source for that is?
0:47 The genetic dysfunction what you explained (Including the table are shown by your editor) is called "Hyperandrogenism", it's because there's an excess level amount of andorgen (male hormone) that happens to both female and male.
Issue is Imane wasn't tested for T levels. The suspected condition is 5 alpha reductase.
Learned a new term, nice
Asmon and the editor, as well as the majority of people are still completely clueless to Imane's condition. Yep the table he showed in the video is unrelated and absolutely misleading. Yes trans people who transitioned after puberty have a 100% advantage over normal women, but Imane fits more of an intersex person since birth. Her body and predominant sexual characteristics are female, SINCE BIRTH.
@@xiii0722 you shouldn't learn new words from youtube comments without double checking them yourself. For example "andorgen" is not a word
@@zilliq-qz5uw LOL he edited his comment and he still messed it up.
It gets better. The chromosome thing....unconfirmed. So back in 2023 after she beat a russian boxer the russian head of the IBA decided that she should be tested. Neither the actual test nor the results have ever been made public, but russian dude said it confirmed she has XY chromosomes. And we should just take his word for it.
It didn't stop several women from beating her up over the years though. I mean she doesn't even have a particularly good track record.
It’s the internet people make assumptions without all the facts nothing new
Yeah.. the Russian organization IBU, retroactively declared the match 'invalid' after a top undefeated Russian boxer lost their 'undefeated' status. As the fight was invalidated, based on bogus evidence, the Russian can once again claim to be 'undefeated'. There is no proof of the XY chromosone claim.
@@Devilscomrade No evidence of your claim either.
@@frosty848 So why are both sides acting as if what they believe is objective fact.
Then why does Khalif refuses any tests to be made? The easiest way to make this situation clear up is to make a new gender test, and let a comittee examine 'her.
Suspicious that 'she' refuses it.
I can't believe that a person that was in the punching people in the face competition....... got punched in the face. Truly crazy times we live in.
A man winning in a woman's competition isn't a achievement buddy, especially when they're pretending to be one
@@stickdude1420 You..... you are aware that there were two women on that stage right?.......
@@xenolithic9691 With a different training it's unfair, and since it's a physical competition it kinda matters
@@stickdude1420
it is understable, it is a societal issue, maybe a socio-political desire or issue or de ate to call the trans-woman when it comes to pronouns and stuff amd whatnot.
but it gets ridiculous when u put normal woman (cis-woman) with a transwoman or in any sports that requires aspecta of physical prowess. stop being ridiculous.
@@xenolithic9691nice bait buddy
Sport should be sex based, not gender based. That boxer might be a women, but she’s a male.
No she's not she's a woman
Olympics are a clownshow.
Its a biological women my guy. Would 99% muslim Algeria send out trans male as their representative instead of killing him how they do it usually? Come on now, lets use grey brain matter.
Let’s get this straight:
- IBA tested them in a prior competition, had the information already, but allowed them to compete anyways
- IBA has been in bed with Russia for years now
- IBA chief lied about doing a testosterone test on the athletes
This is all verifiable with a google search…
So apparently, she's been legally a woman since birth. Born as a woman, every paper points to that being a woman.
But then, how was she found with XY Chromosomes and then barred for participating in other competitions?
It's all too suspicious.
XY Chromosomes = man, for purpose of sports competition. Don't care what that person's ID says.
Are you that stupid? Do you not understand basic genetics?
The Olympics do DNA testing and found her as XY due to her genetic condition
Him
Algeria is not particularly known to be trailblazer of a nation when it comes to medical screening, but Olympics are set to test since there were cases like Semenya and others seeping through the cracks into women’s category
I say there should be a separate competition for people with those anomalies. Putting someone with those advantages against a regular woman is straight up criminal. Italian athlete saved herself before it was about to get worse.
That middle eastern boxer was born a woman and worked hard to have a chance to train as a woman. Her father even showed her birth certificate to the news media. She had to train rly hard to get there, specifically overcoming economic hardship. Not sure where the whole thing about her being male started but she's never been trans, a man, or claimed to be. Rly a shame that she was slandered for being a brown victor over a white woman, that's what it seems like to me. Not all women look like Taylor Swift in the face also lol cmon yall
Also the only "evidence" suggesting she has high T is a genetic test done by Russians in 2016. When investigative reporters looked into the facility where the testing was supposedly done, the scientists there explained they don't even facilitate that kind of test. Literally just slander from salty Soviet losers
@@OogaBBooga27 That is truly sad and sadly all the idiots on this common sex and seem to believe it as well
I replied to myself here and it disappeared..
Surprisingly based take from modern Asmond.
Nah, hes always been a centrist pretending to be the voice of reason. He is a populist through and through. Its just that the status quo has shifted because the masses have finally began to realise the implications of the 'everyone is the same' bullshit propaganda.
Khelif's disqualification by the IBA also came hours AFTER her fight, in which she beat a Russian opponent. The head of the IBA was (and I think still is) a Russian with strong ties to Gazprom who have strong ties to Putin.
Maybe all of that means nothing. But it's unfortunate we cannot clearly trust either the IBA or the IOC. I agree with Asmon, this is more complicated than it seems at first glance.
So, basically, because she was born with an uncommon condition, she's not allowed to follow her dreams in life despite being fully capable of doing so?
If asmon and his viewers let up on this stupid issue they would have to admit they were wrong on the trans allegations. They're not going to do that, not that they would have to since the only thing they're risking are their anime pfps.
It always has to be some issue of integrity even though they're clearly cherrypicking the issue they're concerned about at that very moment with what little information they cared to pay attention to (which is clearly very little).
If it were up to me, she would not even be allowed to show her face on public.
@@user-zz2bc3sd7m It's a good thing wackos like you aren't in charge then lol
@@user-zz2bc3sd7m calm down Mohammed
Olympics is about the best athletes, not what is best for the most people. If she is a woman and she naturally has higher testosterone, then she is the best woman boxer and should be in.
Issue is there not a Woman. unless you have Test that that says otherwise.
@@frosty848 Nope. you are innocent unless proven otherwise, meaning she is a woman unless that russian boxing organization stop hiding their tests proving otherwise.
She should sue the Olympics for damages.
XX = female, XY = male, why is this so hard in 2024?
Because that's not whats happening here
@@angellara7040it pretty much is, they have the bone density and muscle density advantage over females due to the XY chromosomes.
because its apparently not so simple in all cases
If it is so simple what about XXX, XXY, XYY, XXYY or males born with male genital with XX or this case of a female born with female genitalia that can give birth (and there are documented cases of it) with XY chromosomes? Biology is not as simple as eeryone thinks,
@@zeri3889 who cares about five people who violate the laws of nature? There used to be a pretty effective method to preventing this from happening, but humans decided natural selection was bad. Now we're all suffering for it.
a massive part that is lost on most people is that competing in organized sports is a privilege, not a right. if you don't fit in an eligible category to compete, whether it's a lack of skill or whatever, you can't compete. nearly the entire world's population is excluded from the olympics. that's not discrimination, that's the entire point of the event.
Exactly, the people crying about discrimination forget that it's a fact of life that's a necessity in some instances. Like competitive sports
By Asmon's logic, Phelps shouldn't have been allowed to compete. Having high testosterone doesn't make a woman a man just like having low testosterone doesn't make a man a woman. Should Tacko Fall be barred from the NBA because he's too tall? Should Yu-ting and Imane Khelif be barred from boxing because they're too strong?
It's actually an insane take to see people in this very comment section saying things like "Imagine working your whole life only to come up against someone you never could've beaten no matter what." That's literally the point of the olympics.
Good thing mens division is also known as the open division. So Phelps would still be good to participate. Men’s and women’s sports is hugely different. Good try though.
@@capnbarky2682 The point of Olympics is enforcing genetic superiority of some people? Damn. They should shut that shit down.
As stated by the IBA, Lin Yu-ting and Imane Khelif were disqualified from the IBA Women’s World Boxing Championships New Delhi 2023 for not meeting eligibility criteria based on a confidential test.
However, the lack of transparency and official statements raises concerns about potential discrimination. It is particularly troubling that these athletes were disqualified after winning their medals. If there were eligibility concerns, they should have been addressed before their participation, not after their success.
In defense of the athletes, who are born biological females, if the tests were valid and they were born with the characteristics in question, in my opinion their participation should be considered valid. Athletic success comes from a combination of hard work and natural talent. Penalizing athletes for traits they were born with seems unfair,
just as it would be to disqualify a basketball player for exceptional height.
My perspective does not apply to those who undergo gender reassignment surgery, which is a separate issue.
That is too much text for an asmon viewer.
the IBA didn't even back their claim with paper of said test And After 3h of BS in interview They pretty much made fun of them self
The thing is, this particular case is trickier than a basketball player having exceptional height.
The sport is divided in categories in order to give every participant as much of a fair chance as any other equal participant. To use a very clear, easily understandable case, we have boxing body weights. A heavyweight could probably kill a flyweight in a single punch, due to the massive difference in body weight, mass, and power.
Women and men categories work the same way. Due to the physical differences caused by testosterone and undergoing female/male puberty, there is an undeniable advantage in a competition to the males. The female category is created in the same way a lighter division is created: in order to give the subgroup a fairer chance.
This would directly disqualify any males that undergo reassignment surgery in order to compete in women sports. Your perspective does not apply to them, so I'll skip them and go straight to the point.
In the case of genetic anomalies, it gets dicey. A person is usually assigned their sex at birth after a general visual exam. The issue is there are anomalies that would make a born male present female genitalia (not an expert in the particularities, so I won't try to explain in detail topics that I don't know in depth). In this situation, the person would be "born" female, grow up as one, and presumably participate in sports in female categories.
Here is where puberty comes by. By this point, the hidden testes will activate in truth, producing high amounts of testosterone that jumpstart the development of muscle mass and the increase in bone density, among many, many other things. At this point, the person in question will start to overcome their female peers. It will be gradual, usually won't be completely one-sided, and will seem to be talent starting to flourish, but the reality is different. They have an unfair advantage over the rest.
Of course, a bodily advantage is not enough to bar someone from competing, far from it. Michael Phelps has an unfair advantage, which lets him excel in his sport. Many of the greatest athletes in history are similar, where their extreme efforts combined with their natural bodies let them overcome their peers without any chance of competition. But this particular case is different due to it being related to the categorization in the sport.
Michael Phelps competes with other men because there is no man-dolphin category. Being intersex makes you cross over the line from male sports to female. As an example, let's imagine a genetic condition that lets your bones and muscle fibers weight half as much, while retaining exactly the same properties they would if they were normal. Now a person with this condition enter the boxing scene and completly dominates the flyweight category (50.8kg max) while having the muscle fibers of a heavyweight (100kg). This is unfair in all senses AND it makes the person cross over from one category to the other. This should not be allowed to happen.
(More in the next comment, about the controversy around the tests and disqualification of the actual case)
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The specifics of this particular case are spotty and full of unreliable testimony. The only proven facts thus far are:
The athlete was disqualified due to a test revealing XY chromosomes.
The athlete filled an appeal, but retracted soon after.
The decision was not appealed, so it's now legally binding.
So here's the thing. If the tests were faked, it would be very easy to prove so, with the result of another test proving her as XX. It would clear her name, and open the way for a very tasty lawsuit. Why did she retract the appeal?
Remember that she's from a country where gender reassigment is illegal. Say that she underwent another private test, and the results showed XX. There would be no reason to retract the appeal. But what if they showed XY? Genetic anomalies are not (from what I know) illegal there, but she might not have known that. She realized she had lived a lie since she was a kid, and has now a plausible target painted on her back, with her own country holding the gun. So she retracted the appeal, and the original test results are kept confidential in order to protect her.
Is it far-fetched, and smells of a bad movie plot? Indeed so. But I can't come up with another explanation that hits all the nails on the head, other than this. You know how the Sherlock Holmes saying goes about eliminating the impossible.
@@lavos333 You're too dense and small minded to be using the Sherlock quote.
So many low quality assumptions and text diarrhea made on your limited knowledge pool.
Stop making so many stupid assumptions and instead shut up and maybe go read a book 🙄
Comparing Imane Khelif to Michael Phelps is completely ignorant. Imane competes in the 66 kilogram division in the women's division of the olympics. In her famous photograph of her patting her opponent on the back (Angela Carini), she is only 3 inches taller than her opponent (although framing in the fight clearly makes her seem larger, which is common in boxing such as the famous pictures of Mohammed Ali standing over his opponents), and they are both in the same weight class, and if you look at pictures of them side by side (such as when the decision for the match was made) you can clearly see they have similar builds. Even if she has some rare genetic condition, she is still clearly properly matched against her opponent, and clears societal designations around calling someone a "woman" (referring mostly to her sex organs, I guess, since infertile women exist and pregnancy is generally not mandatory for being called a woman). Although she can also get pregnant.
Not only this but Imane is not new to boxing, and has had a boxing career in her home country of Algeria, which is Anti-trans and would have stringent regulations around an athlete like her.
LOL. You clearly don't know biology do you? (and you don't do sports)
Even if a man and a woman are similar size, (and have the same training) the man will have a huge advantage regardless. Generally female upper body strength is 50 to 60 per cent that of men and female lower body strength about 60 to 70 per cent of male lower body strength. Female core/trunk strength is about 60 per cent that of males.
You cannot change the fact that males have a huge phisical advantage (esp in combat sports or in sports where they has to use a lots of upper body strenght), women will never be able to match. This is why women's sport divisions were created. For women to finally be ale to get a chance.
Khelif is a man. He has XY chromosomes. And his testosterone levels are so high that if he was a simple female athlete, he would have been banned for doping already.
Terrible take, remember Imane lost 6 times before and trained harder
Agreed, they should make biologically male people fight males, or make a special transgender competition, which I'm about 99% sure nobody would watch.
when you start oneshoting your opponents i would call it cheating.
"She punches too hard. She must be a man" 💀
Elite MMA fighters and Boxers "one shot" their opponents all the time? This is a terrible point to try and make.
@@Helldog6 Everyone point and laugh at the brain-dead woke loser trying to defend this. *Points* *Laughs*
@@Helldog6 No they dont
@@everrets387 If you don't watch boxing or MMA, then don't speak on it lol
Stop making sense, that shits illegal now!
iman is a biological woman. I'm from her country too and we already had her investigated and made her prove she was a woman. Algeria literally has a law that bans any p r ide flags or anything too "gay". You guys seriously think she'd still be alive in Algeria if she was t r ans?
WOMEN LET THIS HAPPEN !!!!
Saw a guy who made millions off betting on trans athletes in women’s sports. Genius
Abnormalities aside people need to think of the other person, men or people who have the same testosterone as a man, should definitely not be competing against a weaker person, it’s unfair on both parties fighting and it’s unfair on the watchers because it’s an untrue experience all round
It's even dangerous for the women that are competing that are not used taking hits that strong. Someone could die cause of this.
@@cristela4034 I 100% agree
XY is the line, XY vs XY, XX vs XX
XXY? XYY?
@@synnical77 it's a two pair combo no third x or y, check a science video!
@@BonsaiBurnerVery simple question for you: what is a woman?
@@cadenceew7933 I would say your mom is a woman, it shouldn't be confusing.
It's funny how much people pretend to care about "fair" competitions but when it comes to real life they forget all about it.
@@uh_ohz-jw6rw 'life isnt fair' - The same people when not talking sports
@@haltes iman khalif is a woman, changing sex and lgbtlmkgjvvkdnkf--+++-+* ting is forbidden in Algeria, Iman is a woman XX that was born with high testosterone not with a .i. XY or XXY as you think. If someone beat you at a race, will you say it's a cheater because he is faster than you??
Huh? Competitions have clearly defined metrics and rules for declaring what counts as winning, losing, cheating, fouling, and so forth. Competitions are events that people from a broad spectrum of backgrounds to watch and get personally invested in. People inherently like to watch "fair" competitions and tend to not want to watch "unfair" competitions.
@@synnical77 just for info, she is a real woman not trans not a man, jus a woman with natural hight testosterone, if someone is naturlly faster than an another in a race is that cheating ??
@@tarektariq6140 Why would you be bringing up that she's trans or a man. I never suggested this at all and it is really weird that you think I was implying that.
You don't see men well below average height playing in the NFL for the same reason. They were born disqualified from competing fairly. No different than this situation in my mind.
Asmond is kinda just wrong here for even bringing up "longer arms" and "andre the giant". Those aren't comparable to having a naturally high steroid level in your blood (testosterone is a steroid). Having longer arms is in the realm of maybe a 5-10% advantage, but having 100ng/dl higher test result consistently for a decade is probably gonna be in the realm of a 15-20% advantage in almost every physical activity.
Lastly, andre the giant didn't have an advantage. His skeleton started giving up on him, and he was in chronic pain the entire time. He also didn't compete, he was in "real" wrestling. All of his matches were staged and the winner was never actually in question. Bad example.
And ofc people here in Italy are telling us who think she shouldn’t compete we are “fascists for not wanting a trans woman to play” bro she’s not even trans…
Imane Khelif is clearly a world class boxer for being in the Olympics, but compared to other Olympic medalist she is nothing special statistically speaking.
A lot of female boxers with Olympic medals have way better win to loss ratio in official matches compared to Imane Khelif. Is anyone looking into their unfair advantages?
She was born female. Genetic variances are not uncommon in athletics, and the IBA never releasded proof of the test.
Imane Khelif is a biological female. Even if she had XY chromosomes, biology is not so simple as XX = Female and XY = Male
XX Male syndrome exists
XXY for Kleinfelters and Turner Syndrome exists
XY Female exists
XXXY, XXXXY, XXXXXY exists
XYY exists
X exists
Her DNA is simply instructions
If I tell you to build a boat and you build a car instead, it doesn't matter if the blueprint was for a boat. You wouldn't call that car a boat.
Likewise, Imane is a biological female, born with a vagina, uterus, fallopian tubes, etc, and she simply has higher than average testosterone.
She has a moderately successful record as a boxer and has been beaten 9 times by other biological women. She is not at all wrong for competing.
If it was a trans woman issue, then they should absolutely be barred from competition, but people have a gradeschool level of understanding of biology, and that is what leads to this insanity.
The hysteria about this case is insane.
We decided to differentiate categories based on sex and weight, she's a woman so she's allowed to compete.
Just accept it and stop acting like childrens
like that situation in North Carolina where trans woman volley ball player parlayzed a 17 year old gal
Fun part is, it is illegal to be trans in Algeria but it never states anything about a man joining the Olympic women's team to win medals for them.
@@cakenbake844 She has vagina and can have children and some higher testosteron that is all
@@cakenbake844 The fun part is that this is NOT a case that involves being trans. It is like people like you are being intentionally ignorant and looking for things that confirm their cognitive bias.
Two categories of competition XX and XY (or XX and open).
Fun fact the Algerian woman had a lot of losses against women over the course of many years. She even came in last place one time. She is not like Lia Thomas who won every race. So she can participate
Yea, but facts…PSSSHH! Only matter when they work to what the point is! People are straight going to conspiracy theories that she faked her passport, doctors are lying about her history, every thing rofl this is a much bigger headache than “what is a woman”
Just because he sucks sometimes vs women doesn't mean he doesn't have a huge unfair advantage. Logic is not your strength.
@@SteveSherman-jp1dz Bro really used he as if he wants to disrespect a trans woman (which she is not, she would have been killed in Algeria)
@@FCTouhou It is a he. There is no debate here.
@SteveSherman-jp1dz She was born with a vagina and is not trans. Are you claiming people born with vaginas are all men and there is no debate over that?
Imane Khelif is a woman fundamentally she has a uterus etc... not a male did nothing wrong and won fair and square. Should shaq not be allowed to play basket ball because he is too tall?
He has XY chromosomes. He is a man. Next.
Normies who’ve never watched a boxing match in their life acting like she suddenly appeared at the Olympics to everyone’s surprise and hasn’t been boxing in the women’s category for YEARS now. She competed at Tokyo and no one cared. Quit believing everything you hear on the internet.
You can watch tons of boxing and never keep up with amateur women's boxing lol. It's basically like saying you don't really watch baseball if you don't know about this little league scandal
@@jerr0. But you wouldnt jump the gun and call her a trans without doing your research if you are interested in the game.
She has XY chromosomes, and a testosterone level so high that if he was just a simple female athlete, he would have been banned already. Despite what y'all think biology is simple. XD
L take. So should she just not compete ever in sports? In woman sports (where she is a really good athlete, but not undefeated) they say she has an unfair advantage, but in the men sports she would get demolished.
She just has very good genes (like most athletes)... Its very unfair to throw her out for that. If she doped herself that would be something else, but its just her biology.
They also didnt release any numbers. We dont know how high her T levels are except that its very high, but just like men women can have high and low T-levels
Also by that logic someone like phillips should also not take part and his case was a hundred times more unfair.
EDIT: Also its not even confirmed that she has XY chromosomes
Do the male one than, why not. There is a trans men boxer named Hergie Bacyadan some how still get to fight in the woman’s boxing as was well. isn’t that fing convenient 😂
do the men’s one, why not. Trans man fighter Hergie Bacyadan still fights in woman, how convenient, if he can fight in woman’s boxing even thought he identifies as a man, why can’t imane fight men?
@@kim-pd9ok Wdym why not? Cause she isnt a man...
@@coolboy9979 She isnt a man but she has the chromosome of one so she has better bone density, lung capacity, and muscle fibers than a woman would
@@tranquilator1109 Sorry for the wall of text that is comming:
No, she is built like a woman, not a man as far as we know. The only record of her having a Y chromosome are secret documents made by the IBA (Boxing association) in the name of the president of the IBA who is russian. Which she got tested for after beating a russian champion 2023.
The IBA has being criticised and suspended by the IOC for anything olympia related since 2019 for financial clearness and missing integrity for decision processes in the fight.
Thats the only source from what I found and taking the history and background in consideration it doesnt sound to me like thats even true that she has XY chromosomes
Also having XY while being a women isnt a micheal phillips advantage as many like to make it out afai. It gives you increased T-levels, but idk by how much, but before this discussion can happen and if people (meaning men as well) who just have naturally too high or too low T-levels should compete or get their own division we should dishouner micheal phillips of every swimming medal lol.
I think that if she's an actual real woman, who happens to have higher testosterone and as a result is stronger and faster i don't really see the problem.
andre the giant is a bad example since his size was bad for him in the end and they exagerated his height when wrestling since when was was 550 lbs he was closer to 7 feet at most or even 6 foot 11 and not 7 foot 5 as they were saying he was
It's not a bad example, he used the example to point out how a genetic abnormality can be advantageous in some situations. He wasn't saying that everyone with a genetic abnormality is healthy.