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i can't believe this is even a debate. the second most successful team in europe in britain has 3 european cups and 20 league titles! every single season one of the 20 wins the title, countries can go decades with no european cup wins.
100%. This is a really good argument.
No its not. Champion league performance base on night you play, whereas Premier league title is whole year which is more data and evidence to prove a team is actually good.
And plenty of teams have been in the premier league since it’s inception and haven’t come close to winning that… so what?
@@finalfrontier001 Don't talk rubbish.
@@finalfrontier001 Go back to school ya muppet and learn to write.
CL is clearly bigger than PL.
However, this year I truly think Liverpool would have prefered to win the PL and City would have wished for the CL. There's no way that the lack of CL for Pep after leaving Barca doesn't eat him up.
Yaya Toure curse
And Liverpool want to equal Man Utds 20 league titles too
Champions League is bigger because Benfica and Villareal are bigger teams than Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs, & Man Utd 😂🤣
@@kaizokuoluffy6557 @Kaizokuo Luffy False dichotomy. Having to compete with Bayern, PSG, Madrid, (Barca and Juve when their good), plus very decent underdogs like Dortmund or Ajax plus your top Prem rivals outweighs just Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs and United.
@@hadhamalnam if spurs can get to a final villareal sixth in the league can get to a semi final and chelsea fourth n the league winnng cl that clearly shows the league is harder to do
Champions League wins are extremely special. Memories that last a life time. I'll never forget that feeling when Origi scored against Spurs to put it to bed. That buzz was the highest of the high, it's just epic.
And the quality of that final was the lowest of the low
@@jamiecameron7465 yh because both teams didn't play for 3 weeks so if real Madrid do the same don't think it will help them personally
And you think that AGUEROOOOOO moment isnt better than that? because i bet it is.
Is that because Liverpool aren’t going to win the league again?
Champions League is bigger because Benfica and Villareal are bigger teams than Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs, & Man Utd 😂🤣
I agree with Jamie, the champions league is the best cup to win, granted I love it when Chelsea win the league but the feeling of winning the champions league is a different level
But in 2019 he said the league is better and harder to win when Liverpool won it go check it
He doesn't know what it's like to win a league so how can he compare.
@@urimbrati5848 look at what Liverpool are up against
@@amanplayz518 go bad 2016 tht was easy too
@@amanplayz518 liverpool only lost 3 finals out of 10 6 champion leagues real 17 final 13 champions very tight boys beat each other once each 2018 and 1981
The Champions League is a far bigger trophy than the Premier League due to prem being "national" level instead of "european" level. I remember Sarri being sacked by Juventus due to getting knocked out in the Champions League after they won their national league... sad
The Club World Cup is an international tournament, doesn't make it bigger than the PL or CL, so that thinking doesn't really work. I think it comes down to the PL being full time, every week all season, I wouldn't compare the CL to that, only to the FA Cup and Carabao Cup, it's slightly bigger than them but doesn't get near the importance of the league
@@ironheade22 the club world club lacks prestige due to low coverage in european media and low prize money even though I find the format to be very interesting
@@daveadrian492 Not just that, but low competition, if you're the European team you're almost guaranteed to come up against 0 World class players or teams, point being the range of clubs that could compete in a tournament shouldn't dictate the importance of it, you still play the PL every week all season, its the main feature, the CL inst really worth watching until April and is part time
@@daveadrian492 Yes, the Club World Cup is a HUGE deal in south american countries... they take it really seriously... shame that europe don't feel the same way... it makes for a cool bragging rights and fun fanchants
@@sumerrana7660 so you're saying all these years (not just this year mind you, it's been like a lot) Man City getting knocked out at the last minute due to dumbluck? Nah, Pep and the team just lack the mentality and readiness
Obviously the Champions League. It's the most prestigious trophy in club football. I'd take the UCL over a league title any day.
Prem and la liga > ucl
It's more prestigious but you can be have luck of draw going through and be lucky in final, you can't do that in premier leauge you have to play top teams
Chelsea fans only say this because their team isn’t good enough to beat City or Liverpool over 38 games but has won the UCL twice when they haven’t even been a top ten club in Europe
@@KB-lt8xd ahh yes, Chelsea the team who’ve won the title 6 times aren’t good enough to beat City or Liverpool over 38 games 🤡🤦🏽♂️
@@KB-lt8xd sounds more like City fan is saying the other because he lost to Chelsea in UCL Final last year
Micah actually made a point against his argument. You have 38 games in the PL but 12-14 games in the CL. You can make mistakes in the PL and have games to recover. You make mistakes in the CL, you’re pretty much at risk of going out.
You don’t play Burnley and Brighton in the UCL…
But in the same sense isn't winning less games 12-14 easier than winning more 20+ ? Chelsea won it and no one really sees them as the best so how much more does it matter
@@francescototti10 but you do play sheriff tiraspol and young boys
@@L_Kay People recognized Chelsea as having the defensive solidity and offensive strength to eliminate every other top club. Man City may be considered the best at beating lower teams consistently, but they didn't have what it took to defeat the biggest clubs on the biggest stage.
@@L_Kay
Winning 14 games is easier?
You dont have to see who the competition is?
Easy to win against major clubs from Spain, Germany?
Those 38 games are against Burnleys and Evertons. They're tough because of longetivity.
But when you're up against someone like Madrid this season, nothing is tougher than that. City fans learned that...
The only reason a domestic title might be more important to a team than European success is if they have already have a great amount of success in Europe. And in England, this only really applies to Liverpool. It is like wanting to 100% a video game. The final boss is the Champions League (possibly the Club World Cup if it were bigger and people took it more seriously). Every other team in England should prefer the Champions League for the reasons Jamie said - it is one trophy for the whole of Europe, not one of several that each country has its own of.
Real Madrid have won the Champions League/European Cup 13 times, and La Liga about 30 times in that same time period. Which is more impressive?
Real Madrid winning the champions league 4 times in 5 years
City winning the premier league 4 times in 5 years
It's obvious which one is more impressive and valuable
PL supremacist aren´t ready for that conversation.
could real madrid perform in the prem though better than liverpool and city ? i dont think so
@@stewzs9269 How have you come to that conclusion?
@@stewzs9269 lol ofc they can
@@stewzs9269 They didn't do in La Liga too. But still, CL has more value no doubts in that.
Carragher being spot on again. He really is Sky's best pundit at the moment
Cara being spot on again
@@mikeb3811 Carra being spot on again
@@jellykid47 Carra being spot on again
His thinking doesn't work out here, his claim that the CL is bigger just because there's only one winner in Europe may sound good, but it doesn't really take into account the nature of the competition, its a part time knockout cup, so you can't even really compare it to the league, only to the FA Cup and Carabao Cup. Also, the Club World Cup only has one winner in the whole world, let alone just Europe, by that logic the Club World Cup is the biggest trophy, so the logic fails as I'm sure he wouldn't agree to that
@@ironheade22 Well no that logic doesnt work because in the CL you ONLY play the best clubs in the world. You cant bang in 5 against Norwich, Southampton and Newcastle every week. And dont pretend like Al Ahli or whomever comes out of South America are on the level of any club in the last 16 of the CL.
I've always viewed the champions league as more prestigious. There's something so magical about it. The best of the best.
yes benfica and villareal the best of the best
Great comment and absolute truth. Nothing tops UCL
@@stewzs9269 google what an underdog is
@@jepayotyei3231 city were underdogs. now united are. thats rough
Yes, I agree, but the league titles are generally tougher to win( except Ligue 1 and Bundesliga), cos u have to be consistent for the whole 38 games.
Being a United fan, I was always more about the Champions League. We were winning Premier League title after Premier League title throughout the years. So for me it was always the Champions League as I hadn't seen them win it. When we had won it in 99 and 08 I was still more Champions League but wasn't as bothered as I'd seen United win it twice in my lifetime.
Now all I want is to at least be able to put in a decent title challenge which isn't going to happen for a long time until those yanks are gone.
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I remember the days when we’d practically expect to win the league and I was so confident in our champions league journeys that I’d only really start focusing intently once we reached the knock out stages. These days I’m just hopeful of winning a conference league playoff
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Carra spot on again during the program. Micah and Redknapp again clueless.. in what world is winning the league better than winning the competition comprising of ALL of Europe’s elite… literally the best of the best.
I suppose, but then in that logic, isnt the club world cup the biggest trophy then?
I take you’re all for the super league then ?
@@mattsheridan1232 Elite. Al-Hilal aint elite mate
Pl
Plpp
When players talk about winning a title, they mostly talked about winning the CL rather than their respective league title. Only fans of the club who never won the CL will say winning the league is greater
Why because the premier league isn’t watched worldwide 🤷🏻♂️.. give your head a wobble lad
@@Smokingpostman he didn't say pl also ucl is more prestigious.
@@Smokingpostman we’ve seen managers sacked because of not winning the UCL while having league success, we’ve seen the biggest players leave the biggest clubs in pursuit of the UCL, and we’ve seen clubs spend billions upon billions in the hopes their club will have a UCL title to their name. Your head needs more than a wobble if you think a PL title can compare to the prestige of the UCL.
Nailed the head on the coffin for this debate lad.
@@freddie2.095 If it was that prestigious why do 2nd, 3rd and 4th get in it, plus all it is is a cash grab by UEFA 🤣 they wanna expand it and add more teams further diluting the competition. It's a joke
They always say 38 games like the Champions League is a 2 game trophy, its a lot of games against only the elite and one mistake you are out when in the league you can lose 3/4 games and win, champions league there's no mistakes taken lightly. Man City slept for 2 minutes and they were out.
Champions League is always gonna be tough.
💯
It’s been a long time since back to back winners.
@@aserr5660 its not been that long, its been about 4 years and it was 3 times in a row.
If you think about it, it actually takes more games to win the UCL since it takes around 51 or 53 games to win the UCL depending on if you have a playoff before the GS. Have to qualify through a 38 game season and then play 13 or 15 more the next year.
One tournament decides the champion of England, while the other decides the champion of all Europe... Including England.
Yes, the league is decided over 38 games, but some of those are against really poor bottom half teams - whereas, for the most part, you are playing against elite teams in every game in the CL.
Champions League all day long.
Liverpool's just played Villareal in the flipping semi finals. Villareal are what? 8th in La Liga? Before that they played Benfica. Benfica v Brighton would be a pretty close game I guarantee you, and I'd favour Brighton.
@@LucasLima-sz4kg they’re 7th. They also finished 7th last season.
But they still ended up the Champions League... by beating English teams in both the Europa semis, and final.
The thing is, a lot of PL fans love to perpetuate that these non-Real/Barca Mediterranean teams wouldn’t be able to hack it on a rough windy night against a PL side playing like a pub team in theory, except those matches do actually happen quite frequently in the Europa League. And it tends to not go well for the PL teams, recent exception being West Ham against Sevilla this season (credit where it’s due), but that’s about it.
The Champions League is like the World Cup. The PL is like the European Cup.
The differences are clear.
As a Chelsea fan, I look back more fondly on the two Champions League wins, that I was lucky to witness in my lifetime, over the Premier League Title wins. I find the UCL more exciting! Plus, I love the bonus trophies that you get a shot at the next season to pad that trophy case, aka the Super Cup & the Club World Cup! Dodododododooooo Champions of the World, of the World, Chaaaampions of the Wooooorld. 🌍
@@mr__OK what team u support?
I support Real Madrid and oh my goodness have I seen a lot of champions league trophies yielded.
I think the two are so close that it really depends on the club's circumstance. As a Liverpool fan I'd still bite your hand off for league over CL, and we've "only" won 2 CL over 1 league in my time supporting.
The league is something different in terms of it really confirms a team as the strongest in the country because of the nature of its format, whereas the CL doesn't necessarily. However, the CL has the global aspect and its the harder (rarer) trophy to win.
Ultimately I think winning both within a span of time is more than the sum of parts of both taken individually, like for example the Barca team of 09-11 will be remembered more highly than the 5x CL Real.
The real goal is to have a mix/balance of both, and if you have one then you desire the other. That's how I think it works. If you have 2 eggs for breakfast then you'd rather add bacon than another egg, but if you have 2 bacon rashers you want the egg.
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Yes me too. I choose CL anytime. PL is worthless nowadays as it is England trophy only. CL is the real deal. Best of Europe.
Ask Juventus if they'd like to swap one of their league titles, even three of them actually, to win one Champions League. They'd say yes in a heartbeat. No comparison.
Or ask PSG too. You think they buy all these players to win the league by 20-30pts every year? No thats just a result of trying to win the CL and their league being weak
Don’t compare Farmers’ league to Premier League
This is a premier league title
@@siRhc86 You said yourself. Their leagues are weak but prem aren’t
@@siRhc86 yeah but a premier league title isn’t a Ligue 1 title, it’s not even close.
For Man City, the UCL is far more important. For Liverpool, the PL is far more important. They look like they are each going to win each others most coveted trophy.
This^ Liverpools won the prem once its far more important to them than city who have won it 5 times.
Liverpool have won it 19 times. Rest assured, the CL is more important to Liverpool.
It doesn’t change the fact that the champions league is a bigger more prestigious trophy
Look at PSG they can win their respective league again and again and Need the Champ League to be up there
@@vicvinegar4540 they won the premier league once
"I've always wanted United to be the biggest team in Europe, and the only way to be the biggest team in Europe is by winning the European Cup".......
- Sir Matt Busby
‘Which trophy is bigger’ Well I’ve done some googling and the Premier League trophy stands at 104 cm tall and is 61 cm wide. Meanwhile the UCL trophy only stands at 73.5 cm tall. Hope that answers your question.
Lol 🤣
Thank you
Factos
So premier league is better than world cup😂
sky sports should recruit you.
I love Micah for his banter, jokes and his laughs. But when it comes to footballer...he doesn't know much. Sorry Micah.
It's alarming that he has this kind of platform. He has less insight than the average football fan. I have no idea why they chose him as their token black when there's obviously so many actually highly intelligent, black footballers that would provide so much as pundits.
Micah is always going to be in Cities deep pockets. Only a complete clown would argue the Premier League is the bigger achievement
@@irishmanonthecan It's nothing to do with his skin colour. There are plenty of black pundits (Wright, Henry, Hasselbaink, Dublin, Jenas, Defoe etc). I don't really know why it would be alarming in any way. He's chosen because he played for City and they're suddenly far more relevant so need representation like Liverpool and United get amongst pundits. They have to be a genuine City man and be available to travel around England speaking English. Kompany was good, but he's busy managing now. We've seen Hart on occasion but he's busy up in Scotland. It's interesting to think about who you could ask given the way City have 'burst' onto the scene'!
@@FloatingOnAZephyr Maybe they could've even asked someone with half a brain!
Why is this even a question? I swear only premier league fans would argue it’s more important than the CL 💀
As a Liverpool fan I'd take the Champions League all day along. Especially if it means equaling AC Milans 7 and becoming joint 2nd.
A Liverpool plastic with no connection to the club you mean
@@muchiosgracias4 what defines connection? Same city or same country? You got a criteria for the billions that support football clubs across the world? 🔔 end
@@idnanali4668 look how defensive you are because what I said hit home. I'm on about plastics like you who have zero connection to the club you chose. You chose them because they won trophies you fraud. That must feel so empty lmao
Winning the champions league is always more special than winning the league, it’s a more of a magical tournament. Playing against a higher calibre of teams whereas in the league you’re beating teams like Burnley. However the consistency needed to win the league is more of an achievement, but the magic of the champions league is superior. That’s why every single player wants to play in it, whilst players are happy to be in Germany or Spain leagues because it means they will play the champs league every year.
I disagree. You have to be good for 38 games. Champions league you can play some rubbish teams.
The same Burnley that I swear Liverpool lost to last year...
@@alistairsharp3331 I said the league is more of an achievement but doesn’t hold the same esteem as winning the champions league
@@csbdcsbd8728 last year they were a good side
Oh yeah, those titans of Cluj
To Liverpool PL is more valuable while to city CL is more valuable. Both to me are extremely difficult to achieve. Former requires to go through top clubs around the world while latter requires consistency in teams performance in long run.
Yup good point
The CL is clearly harder to win. You can pump money into a club and eventually they will win a league title wheras even pumping a billion into a squad does not mean you will win a CL. Just look at psg and City. Imo you can buy a league but you need some luck to win a CL among other things because it is such a tough competition. There's a reason the likes of united, juventus and Chelsea have only won 7 CL between them and the likes of arsenal, City and psg haven't even won one...
PL is not more valuable to Liverpool. European Cup is the competition that defines their global relevance.
Not really Liverpool prefer the Champions league
Given the choice Liverpool would take prem
I sort of get the arguments that some have made suggesting that the PL is harder citing consistency as a reason but what would it mean, suppose real madrid won the final in Paris? That would mean that Madrid has beaten the top three teams in the EPL. If that is the case can we then confidently state that the PL is harder? I mean the Champions League knockout stages are 180 mins each!!! It isn't exactly smash and grab if you ask me. I say many teams will kill for a Champions of Europe medal. If the most successful team in England has 6 Champions Leagues, how do you think teams such as Madrid perceive the English league??? You have to beat them to gain their respect.
Madrid got outplayed in basically all of those games and still won because it's knockout football but over a entire season Liverpool and city would leave them in the dust .
So to answer your question yes the prem Is the best and hardest league .
@@Awkd id say the PL is the hardest league to win, purely because of the city/Liverpool rivalry last few years. But after those two, bit overrated. Chelsea have been start stop start stop all season and still find themselves handy top 4. Look at city’s goal difference. If Real, PSG or Bayern had that goal difference and won as many handy games as city the “farmers league” comments would be thrown around 😂
So yeah I think PL is toughest league to WIN, but by no means the toughest league in general. All 20 teams taken into consideration, La liga is stronger IMO, and Bundesliga possibly aswell.
@@padmystr you say that but Chelsea outplayed Madrid also and only lost because of silly errors they don't normally make and a terrible 45 mins so I don't think what you are saying is true tbh
@@padmystr the premier League is stronger than Spain from top to bottom imo
When Man U were dominating the league I wanted to see them win the Champions League. It always felt like the next progressive step. Now I'm excited at getting top 4 🙃
Spurs fans would be excited to get top 4. Man Utd NEED to be in the top 4.
The CL is the hardest to win. Thats why only Madrid have double figures.
And dont forget they won it like what 5 times on the bounce when no good teams where in it.
You might steamroll these bums in the premier league who come out already beaten against city.
But its no coincidence that every time city face a bit of foreign quality which consists of top technical players they go out of the CL
Lol so why did Chelsea win it last year
Cos they had City in the final 😂
5 times when no good team exist
Manager who won 10th get slanderes and shown the door
Ramos dive
Bale comeback but get slanderes
Ramos judo
@@OTB2002 These are some rare examples ..It also depends upon mentality..
@@OTB2002 because they played city in the final...
Both are just as important. But the prestige of a European Cup is marginally better to have come the end of the season
They are both completly different titles - one shows how consistent you are with your team and one shows how good you are at specific points while it is more tense
As an American F1 fan looking to find a sport to enjoy during the winter, I really find football as a beautiful sport. I’m currently choosing a team and its either Man Utd. or Real Madrid. I used to keep up with Real Madrid in middle school but never with all the different leagues, and even got a Bale Jersey. Now I’m trying to see which one I should watch but they all sound so interesting and competitive!
Champions league without a shadow of a doubt. All the top teams in Europe, knockout tournament. It’s hard to win. Get a good start in the prem chances are you’ve already won.
Man United top of the league at the start 😂
I’m going to respectfully disagree, when it’s comes to knockout tournaments there is a certain amount of luck required to win, for example this year Liverpool have had a cakewalk to the final, whereas a team like Real Madrid have had a tough route to the final playing arguably the 3 best teams in the world other than Liverpool, those being psg, Chelsea and city. Winning a league shows how consistent a team is at winning games,
Teams can get very lucky and end up in the final of a cup competition, for example liverpool this year and Tottenham in previous years.
@@rumplestilskin223 for the first game I think 😂
@@_MajorM_ and I do agree with most of what you just said tbf but I feel when it comes down to the prem atm there’s only one team that’s winning it and a few that will get close
And I have to say if city can do the potentially harder thing 4/5 times then why not the champions league once in those 5 years? I have to agree luck does play a massive part in it, some say city are cursed in the CL
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Barcelona and Real Madrid would sack their managers very often for not winning the CL, even if they won their own leagues. That's how important it is.
Yeah, but they also play in La Liga
@@martinblomqvist1870 barca, real Madrid are bigger club than all english club and have more fan base bcoz of ucl even though they play in la liga
When I hear that Champions league theme I get quite emotional, it evokes memories of great teams, great players & wonderful games - you just know something big is about to happen. Man City fans boo it.
And thats why Man City will always be a small club no matter how many £100m Grealishs they sign. They will never be European royalty like Real Madrid, Liverpool etc are - they will never eat at that table.
so you need to have at least 6 European cups to be a big club? You need to be at the top top table with Madrid, Milan, Liverpool and win loads and loads of UCL trophies? So Man Utd are small cause they only have 3?
As a Chelsea fan, I Personally I would take 1 champions league over 3 premier leagues.
As a Arsenal fan I’d take CL all day long
Because you can not 2in the premier league easily. With champions league, you can get lucky and get easy draws.
No consistency required
@@phillipkleopas7230 you are a kwasia. It's called the champions league for a reason. You are only playing against champions!
@@phillipkleopas7230 still though champions league your versing the best teams in europe
Because your two CL wins have elevated you into a super club. Like us Liverpool, you have a status other teams don't. See you Saturday 🙂
Only one team in all of history has ever won more European Cups/UCLs than top flight league titles, and that is Nottingham Forest with 1 league and 2 Cups. That just shows how hard it is to win the Champions League compared with the league.
bang on
Yet Brian Clough said that he would drop out of every tournament at the start of the season if he could guarantee winning the league. He always valued the league more...
What a ridiculous argument. Of course a club is more likely to win their domestic league as they play in it more often. Before the European ban on English teams, the hardest thing about winning the European Cup was getting in it. The best team in the country always wins the league but the Champions League is a cup competition and you always need a bit of luck to win a cup.
There are lots of teams who have fluked a CL, like Villa, Hamburg, Porto (twice), Steaua Bucuresti, PSV, Red Star, but no team has ever fluked an English league title.
@@accountformelyknownasarsen3072 huh? what does that second sentence even mean, generally speaking the same teams play champions league every year. Fact is its harder to win champions league than domestic league therefore more prestigious.
I think It's a matter of perspective . For a club who hasn't won champions league or pl , pl will be the bigger trophy because they have to build a really deep consistent n quality squad for pl compared to cl. For teams who have won pl ofcos cl is the bigger trophy.Having a cl is proof of having the best elite team that can defeat anyone from Europe.
Micah's face when Carra asks him the question 😂😂😂.
Depends. It’s Man City’s final piece to the puzzle. Prem title was Klopp’s final piece. I feel like Chelsea are a good example of a team that can win UCL every few years and it gets forgotten lol. The league title plays a massive part of that “dominating” vibe you get off a team
Doesn't really. The CL is the bigger trophy.
@@kb5509 Well City is regarded as one of the strongest teams because of their league form
Chelsea's wins don't get forgotten
@@TK-fl1on that has no impact on whether the PL or CL are bigger.
An educated answer. Although in general, the CL is the hardest trophy to win just look how many times RM, Man Ut, Liverpool, Bayern , Juve and Barca have won the league and compare it how many time they CL
I think it comes with great heritage simple as that . Liverpool have won the European cup 6 times potentially in contention to win the 7 th one tying with AC MILAN . No other English club can claim that not even the great man utd . Man city are not European royalty they are maybe the best in England rn not in Europe historically .
good one
Facts...
The champions league isnt the european cup.
@@JG-us9lu are you dumb it's the rebranding of the European cup to champions league same thing with English league to premier league .
Carra nailed it. You're not a big club until you have won the Champions!
I am just saying this, teams that compete for the league are in it every year, plenty of teams who have won the champions league have not been in it or gone far have not been in it every year or the ones that have won the cl most of the time don't retain it. I get that the league can be more precious to win because you have to be consistent the whole season but imo the cl is more precious because to won it you have to beat more strong teams.
And back in the day, you only qualified if you won your league. In my opinion that makes it harder therefore more special to win.
Much of this argument depends on the club involved and their own goals. Not sure why people are debating about this.
Right now, I would say that the PL is more important for Liverpool and the CL is more valued by Man City.
Overall, I would say the CL is more prestigious but I reckon Liverpool would prefer another PL now if they had to choose.
Exactly. Everything isn't so binary. Bias towards peoples own clubs is clouding fans logic.
Na we have won the league it’s all about the champions league . Put it like this 18/19 season lost the league by a point no one cares cause we won the champions league . Leagues are cool UCL is the top
Of the top
Liverpool's competition is the European Cup. it's the most important trophy to them every season. compare atmosphere at anfield on a CL night vs big PL game. feels much sweeter to win too.
As a liverpool fan i would absolutely love another Premier League title yes, but given the choice between the two i would 100% pick the Champions League every time.
Trent's corner Vs Barcelona is more talked about than Liverpool winning the league 2 seasons ago. UCL makes you legendary in a way
It's a tough one to decide. It's like when my primary school were in the finals for the Easter Cup and we also had St. Mary's cup semi's coming up against our rivals Mulberry, we wanted both but had to settle for the Easter cup, Liverpool must be going through the same thing
That 3-3-2 formation your P.E teacher played really gave the edge to Mulberry
@@TubbyBrewster11 he was buzzing in the post match interview
it's quite a difficult question, theyre both just as important in different ways. winning the premier league is huge, you're playing 38 games, it's all about consistency. in the champions league you're playing the best of the best in all the top leagues in europe. to be a super club you definitely have to win the champions league
yup :) people don't get it - these are 2 different competitions that cannot be compared easily
@@kanalisationerstellen you wrong us easy. Champions league for big boys. Man city is out. Man united not even qualified
If we had been able to beat Man Cuty in the CL final then I would say CL but we haven't had the toughest run this year and MC had a tougher run to get to a CL final. We wanted another PL title. Don't get me wrong, I want the CL as well but I think especially because it has been so close and we pulled it back from a 14 point difference and our perceived easier run to CL final then the PL would have been my preferred trophy.
Obviously we still need to beat Chelsea and Real Madrid to get more than the League cup so don't want to be counting any chickens just yet.
Who is 'we'?
Course the champions league is bigger. Doesn’t matter if a domestic league is harder to win since it’s over a long period of time. It doesn’t make it the bigger trophy.
I wonder if Micah considers la liga a bigger achievement for Madrid than winning the champions league? Or is this just English/premier league bias again
Its Micah City bias shining through, he knows damn well the CL is bigger but his club cant win it so tries to pump up the PL. I do agree Liverpool would prefer the PL simply cause we didnt get to celebrate it with fans, but overall I think wed take 3 trophies over the 1 if we win the two finals
Name me a team that has more ucls than league titles? It's the champions league for a reason. U play against champions. It's actually easier to win the prem over 38 games than it is to win the ucl over 13 games. You've got to beat at least 3 solid teams over 2 legs compared to having to beat Burnley every weekend much more consistently than your closest rival.
Course the champs league is a bigger trophy, however winning the pl is a bigger achievement than winning any other domestic league at this present time.
@@limofootball Nottingham Forest have actually! But I do agree with your point regardless
@@ClaraFinn Nottingham Forest are the *only* exception however. For what it’s worth, I think the reason that happened is because Forest knocked out Liverpool in the first round of their first European Cup win, giving Liverpool free reign to just focus on domestic football while Forest finished 2nd in the league. Similar to City in 2019, and possibly this season too.
Had Liverpool knocked out Forest, the respective trophies likely would’ve been won the other way around. It’s an interesting anomaly that isn’t talked about enough lol.
City fans desperately trying to rationalize "league is bigger" until they finally win a CL trophy 😂. Pathetic
I guess it is a matter of preference. Personally I am getting fed up with this obsession for that CL So much so that it takes precedence over every other trophy going. The CL is also becoming the same old same old. Same Clubs get through the Group Stages. The same old same old Clubs get through that. Then it becomes the usual lottery, but the same old same old Clubs get through. "Occasionally", like this Season and once in a blue moon, a Club gets through that you wouldn't expect to, like Villarreal this Season, but eventually they also meet their match and that is the end of that. Even the same old same old Clubs are winning the thing. I think the most exciting Competitions going is The EFL Championship, Div 1 and Div 2 in the Sky Bet Leagues. If you look at this Season, all three Leagues were VERY exciting up to the last day of the Season. If you think about it, every other League is the same old same old. The same Clubs win it, or finish in the top 3-4, The Clubs who come up, go straight back down, the same old same old Clubs go into that CL, etc. Micah Richards and Jamie Carragher can "try" and make it sound as exciting as they like, the truth is, it is all getting very boring and predictable, whether you prefer the League, or CL.
Well obviously, because in the Championship three of the best teams are removed from the equation each season as they’ve been promoted, so of course there’s more variety. If you remove the three best teams from any league there’s a lot more for the others to play for every other year, especially when the goal isn’t necessarily the title but to just be promoted.. so three teams essentially win the ultimate prize available. You’re also making a point about the boring predictability.. yet your avatar is the club badge who have won the last 10 consecutive titles in their respective league.. kind of an odd contrast to everything you’ve just said.
@@jmichaelbyrne And yet, despite that, it is still more exciting than most Leagues, so not really seeing what point it is you are trying (but failing miserably) to make. I was including Bayern in that "boring predictability", that was my point and again, not one you have really made. I was actually giving the example of ALL major Leagues. They are ALL predictable (up to a point) La Liga, Serie A, Ligue1, Eredivisie, PL and yes, The Bundesliga. The Premiere Ligue has had the same top 3, just in different order, ever since its 88 years existence. I am just saying it would be nice to change things up and personally I am disappointed that the European Super League never materialised. It would have been so much better than any CL could provide and what Competition it would have given. It would also have given the Clubs that are not considered top Clubs a chance to win a Cup, or their respective Leagues and get into European Competitions, the CL and Europa League, to give us something new to watch and get excited over. Even who is going to go down and where they will all finish (with the odd surprise), is predictable. Sometimes I look at a League Table, from any given League and have to look at the date to make sure it is the up to date one, because to me, it doesn't look any different than from the Season before, or the Season before that, in most cases...other than the Relegation spots, but give them time to come back up and it will look the same old same old :0) Are you not bored with Bayern, Man City, Liverpool, Chelsea, Juventus, Inter, PSG, Barcelona, Real, Atletico, Porto, Benfica, Sporting, Ajax, PSV, winning their Leagues, or finishing in that top 2-3 every damn Season, with the odd one chiming in once in a blue moon...in a VERY looooong blue moon. I know I am. That was my point :0) And the fact that the Championship downward, changes because of who goes down and comes in, was my exact point as to why they are more exciting every Season. it changes the whole dynamic of that League and brings an element of surprise, which is more than can be said for those top Leagues, that's for sure.
For me it's the Champions League. Maybe because I never knew Liverpool winning a league title until recently. But those European nights are something special. At Anfield, away and at a neutral ground in the final. Just has this euphoric atmosphere that sometimes don't quite match the league games.
Let’s be honest: you wouldn’t be saying that had Liverpool beaten City a few weeks ago at the Etihad. That would have easily been Liverpool’s biggest win in the EPL era, assuming that they’d go on to win the league.
@@znhait Yes I would. My most significant memory is that of the 2005 UCL Final. I long awaited for another UCL final after 2007. More so to win a UCL. Those matches don't compare to the run of Premier League games each season.
@@thomsonairways737
I think most Liverpool fans would want to win the league insteed of the UCl. You guys have 1 league in 30 years, and Liverpool right now havent been better for mabey 40-50 years under Kloop, yet falling short and not getting the league trophies while being this good must hurt.
Also you got 19 leagues Man United got 20 in total, you cant tell me that you dont want to overtake man United in that area? You are 2 leagues away from being the club in England with the most league titles.
I dont believe you at all when you say you would rather win the Cl Than the league.
@@Barcaloni1889 Believe me or not. I'm not changing what I'm stating just to please other people's perspectives. I have my own mindset and that mindset is to rather focus on Champions League campaigns each season. That doesn't mean I don't want to focus on the league. If we win the league title, I'll celebrate it, but that feeling isn't the same as winning a UCL final. A UCL final is like a single moment. The league is across weeks and weeks.
@@thomsonairways737
You’re mindset is a minority along side the Liverpool fans around the world.
UCl is bigger yes, but there is a lot of luck around the Cl. In the league you need to be good for 38 games, UCl you can have the easiet dras in the history of football like Liverpool this year and go all the way to the final.
As I said you are part of the minority
Is this even a debate
I agree with Jamie, for me i get so much more excited when it comes to the Champions league. Cause you are the best team in Europe if you win not just the best in your country.
I have to disagree as there have been times where the PL UCL winners dont even finish in the top four in their league
In 2005, Liverpool finished 5th in the Premier League the previous season. How can you be the best in Europe when you’re not even top 4 on your own league.
The group stages are a formality and then it’s a cup competition.
@@gossipmongersaunt774 You're right i didnt word it properly. I mean you get world wide recognition of being the best. Cause lets be honest not everyone in the world watches and follows every league. Yet everyone in the world watches the Champions league. Its more fulfilling imo.
I think there will forever be arguments for and against which is better to win- the Champions League or the Premier League. However, what is consistent is that there are established very good teams in Europe, especially in the top leagues, and only small margins most times are required for any of these very good teams to win the Champions League and their respectively leagues. The number of matches(13) makes for an easier run to the final compare to (36) or (38) matches in the league but the competition is stiffer even in that shorter run. Where the conversation of the great teams should move is to the tactical display of a team which translates in to result against all odds. Remember Porto 2004CL, Liverpool 2005CL, Chelsea 2012CL Leicester 2016PL? Winning the League consistently is great, winning the Champions league cements a team's position on the pedestal of the greats!
Yeah just finished Ibrahimović's biography and he has a similar sentiment to Jamie. I guess it's about goals. As soon as you've won a domestic league once or twice the next (and ultimate) goal has to be the Champion's League. You need to conquer Europe to be considered one of the great teams. IMO
People always act like "doing it over a whole season, 38 games!!!" is something amazing. Most weeks, the elite teams (Liverpool & City) are playing absolute dross. 3 of the 4 last seasons have come down to very fine margins, and City seem to be finding themselves on the winning side. Also, the CL isn't a random one-off game per season. You're playing the best teams in Europe in the group stages, quarter final, semi final, and then final. The CL is definitely a bigger trophy, harder to win, and is far more prestigious. There is just something special about it. And it's very interesting how the soulless petrodollar state funded teams (PSG & City) flop in spectacular fashion every single year.
They have no history in it so they won't have bought into it as much as say a Liverpool
It used to be special, don’t think it has that same feeling anymore. Probably due to the fact BT sports have monopoly on it.
Group stages are easier than lots of PL games. Even in the knockouts Liverpool have beaten Inter, Porto & Villarreal to get to the final. To my mind these teams would at very best come fourth in England, more likely lower down and in the case of Villarreal potentially even bottom half
@@mattwilson6527 well that’s just English bias and delusion though, Liverpool had an easier run to the final than the other side but they’re all still top teams who could perform in the league. If the teams in other leagues are easy there’d be more than one English club left in Europe right now
@@mattwilson6527 THat's your stupid English delusion coming through, nothing else. Inter being outside the top 4 is hilarious. Porto and Villareal would also certainly be fighting for European places.
Pep Guardiola is about to win his 4th Premier league title in last 5 years and 10th overall league. He is a better manager in a 38 games long marathon than in a 7 games knockout sprint. Alex Ferguson won 2 CL in 26 years at United.
Liverpool has won just 1 Premier league title in last 30 years but they've reached the CL finals 5 times in that time frame. Zidane's Real Madrid won 3 CL in a row but won only 1 league during that time. Mourinho won CL with a mediocre Porto team but he couldn't win with high quality squads of Chelsea and Real Madrid.
Moral of the Story : There is no guarantee in football and in life in general.
The UCL has the most prestige, no question. But I think the PL is much harder to win.
@ScorpZSteve Give it some thought man.
First time I hear JR make a decent comment at the end 🤣😅
I've always said this, the Champions League is the equivalent in value as 3 league titles (of any league) it's the most prestigious club competition in the world. You can afford to lose momentum in the league and still be in a position to win it at times, for the UCL you can't afford that at all.
Ridiculous
The champions league doesn't even get interesting until February April and is over in May,its a cup,a bonus
@@therobbieunited its a tournament about the best club in europe its more important than the prem
Silly question
You might have 38 consistent games in the Premier League but in Champions Leauge you ain't gonna play Norwich or Watford to play twice a season
Well tbh in premiere league you play against Norwich,watford, Manchester United (easy wins) but in champions league you face only top 4/3 teams of every nation.
I mean... 1 of the prizes of the Premier League is a place in the Champions League. Winning the Premier League is great but Champions League is the best of the best, even if it is a cup competition. Yes, it's hard to stay consistent in the Premier League over 38 games but it's also hard to compete in the Champions League with all the different styles from different leagues. You have the opportunity to win the Premier League every year whereas you might not have the opportunity to win the Champions League if you don't get in the top 4.
Nope your arument made no sense.
@@finalfrontier001 he’s right cry
@@finalfrontier001 the only people in the world who would say the league is a bigger trophy are Man City fans. Ask any fan of any club ever they will say the Champions League.
Why is that even a question?!?
How is this even a debate😂😂
because there are many premier league teams that have never won the trophy. So for them, premier league may be more valuable than champions league.
As a Manchester United fan, I agree with Jamie. There is something different about the UCL
The Champions League is bigger 100%
Yeah because the Premier League is the best team in England but the Champions League is the best team in Europe.
@@tommygameslfc And possibly in the world 😅
No doubt lol
@@ProjectPSW I mean yeah 😊
@MCFCAA says a team who can't win it and obviously will play down the champions league
As a Liverpool fan it would be a tad greedy if we literally won everything, but what a season if we did. The cup treble if achieved would still be phenomenal.
Main aim at the start of the season for all clubs is the league, nobody can argue about that, champions league is a bonus for the top clubs
I think which trophy is bigger depends on the club. For Liverpool who had not won the PL in 31 years, the PL was more important. For City who has never won CL, that’s the bigger trophy. But for city who also don’t have a lot of PL trophies, dominating PL is a very acceptable conciliation
How’s this a question? The Champions League is by far the biggest piece of Silverware in Europe.
I bet if city lost the league and won the ucl, then Micah would've said he'd of rather won the ucl 😂
Same with carragher.
Always tricky comparing the two. I think it's pretty much accepted that the CL holds more prestige, and is therefore the "bigger" trophy. However, a lot of fans and experts alike would argue that the PL is more difficult to win. They are very different competitions, hence it's so difficult to compare them. Domestic leagues, and the PL especially, is very much the ultimate test of consistency. The CL is the ultimate test of quality and performance.
I think in the PL when you lose you have games to recover, in the CL, one mistake and you could be out
The PL and CL are both hard to win in their own right
Carlo Ancelotti is certainly a great manager but I wouldn't rank him as one of the G.O.A.T's. He was there at AC Milan for 7.5 years yet only managed to win the Serie A once despite having arguably one of the best Milan team's ever at his disposal. Failed to win the league in his previous stint at Real Madrid from 2013-15 despite Barcelona not being as good as they were previously under Pep and Tito. Out of the 11 full seasons he's coached in Serie A, he's managed to win the league only once despite always being at one of the top clubs who are expected to win the league. He wasn't able to do much at Everton either. He isn't tactically that astute and neither does his teams have a memorable and definitive style of play. He is a however a great man-manager and his record in the Champions League is exceptional.
The premier league is the hallmark of consistency of high quality, the champions league is more a reflection of elite quality and moments
What’s your answer which trophy is bigger?
Mate you have to qualify to be in the CL. Says it all. It’s the elite of the elite
@@khalidhawadle5412 The carabao cup
yes its just a moment thing no proof of how good s team is.
@@100nb6 Cuz there is no way to qualify to premier league outside of EFL.
Without googling it, list every club that has ever won the English top flight. Or just try and guess how many it is. 20? 30?
Now, name every English club that's won the European cup. I bet you could do it easily.
When we talk about formerly successful clubs like say, Nottingham forest, or aston villa, what's the first thing you say to convey how big they were at one point? They've both won the league. But is that the trophy we hear about?
For those who are not expected to win European competitions winning them is special in the same way when Leicester won the Prem they were just not expected to win it but for teams with huge budgets, it is taken for granted/expected that they will.
When only teams that won their respective leagues were automatically gained a place in the CL then that made winning any league special as a CL place was guaranteed but these days as long as they come in the top 4 that's good enough (depending on the league) but when they are put out of the CL they should not drop into another competition as that would then give clubs a chance of CL football as those dropping out of the CL will in most cases be in it on a regular basis
This thinking that knockout competition means it’s not an accurate measure of a top team is flawed. There’s a reason Nadal Federer and Djokovic have won most of the tournaments they played. They are the best teams. Man City are better at beating bad and mid table teams but bottle it on the biggest stages cus they can’t handle top teams in Europe. That’s why Liverpool are the best team and have a chance to win the biggest trophy. Uefa Champions League
Is this even a Question ? 100% CL is more important
First job is the league, second is Champs
If you've won the league previously then first priority is Champs
Once you've won both then it doesnt matter as much, unfortunately City havent and therefore Champs is way more important
spot on
Do you have maths as major? because that's the way to think. People will tell you city has won 4 in row and i am like dude, try something new for a change
Dave has to deliberately stare at the Jamie he wants to speak or refer to when he says "Jamie" haha
Depends on which one you've won more recently and/or more often. Liverpool and Manchester City would probably have different answers
This question is to give hope for man city fans😂
The Champions League is more prestigious but winning the league is the benchmark of who the best teams are. Look at Liverpool's path to the final and it's easy to see why you can win the Champions League without being the best side. The Premier League never lies.
How can you say city are the best team in europe when they have 50-50 record against top teams? They are just better against mediocre sides, they consistently get exposed under pressure in UCL
Its impossible to not face a strong opposition in the Champions League. Your're looking at Benfica, and Villarreal and saying "Those are easy teams". But what about our group stage? We had Atletico, AC milan (who are currently 1st in Seria A) and Porto. Then we faced Inter Milan in the round of 16 (who are the current Seria a champions), we're facing Real in the final, winning the champions league is never a walk in the park.
In the 18/19 season, we had PSG and Napoli in the group stage, outclassed bayern in the round of 16, beat Porto convincingly and beat Barcelona in legendary fashion, then beat spurs in the final.
Micah being like "you know you're employed by a premier league program, m8" lolol
I guess it comes down to what you would rather win each year if you had the choice of only one trophy.
It takes more effort to win the league than the CL. You need a strong bench and competent reserve players. You need consistency in every position for 38 games.
But the quality you need to win the CL is evidently larger than the quality you need to win the league. Particularly in the KO stages.
Theoretically, most of the top 4 in the PL could have one or 2 key players injured and on average win their PL games against anyone below 7th. But lose your best player in a CL game and it can really Impact the games result.
Has to be the CL. Teams like Bayern, PSG, Juve have historically dominated the league and it wasn’t really seen as an accomplishment. The Champions League is the biggest prize
As a Liverpool fan i preferred prem after waiting so long for it now we’ve done it id say champions league every season please klopp
I think city will run away for next few years personally look to good for the league
“ A couple of the fans love the away trips” - thats accurate journalism from micah
Team of the season.
Son. Ronaldo. Salah
KDB
Partey. Rodri
Robbinson. Gabi. VDK. Cancelo
Ramsdale
Is that even a question ? 🤔
The difference is clear: it is easier to buy the Premier League than buying the Champions League. If we take into consideration how many games top clubs in England have to play. The bigger and better squad depth usually wins you the league, because you can rest key players while still being able to win comfortably. City always had the biggest squad. For winning the Champion League you need the best 11 on matchday with the best mentality. Something you cannot buy.
in 2003 when Jose coach Roman's Chelsea or 2008 when City buy Robinho, people didnt think of them as threat. It become apparent that these 'traditional club fans ' dont like succesfull upstart. Another proof that it is about
achivement instead of money is the constant dissing on Spurs even though they are above Arsenal the paat 5 years. Because Spurs make it big. Villa and West ham spend more than Atletico but no one give a damn about their money since they dont threaten the red clubs position
Well said. Statistics alone should say it all.
Man Utd. - 13 Premier League Titles, 2 Champions League Titles (in that time period)
Chelsea - 5 Premier League Titles, 2 Champions League Titles
Arsenal - 3 Premier League Titles, 0 Champions League Titles
Man City - 5 Premier League Titles, 0 Champions League Titles
Spurs - 🙃
Liverpool are the only exception (1 PL, 2 CL - since start of Prem)
Champions league is harder to win, requires good league performance as a prerequisite, and it's more widely watched by the world.
A PL is a league title which is equivalent to LA Liga, Bundesliga, Serie A, Ligue 1 etc
UCL is a world title which is equivalent to World Cup, CWC, Euros
Man United have 3 CL and 20 leagues
Liverpool 6 CL and 19 leagues
Madrid 13 CL and 35 leagues
Barca 5 CL and 26 leagues
Bayern 6 CL and 32 leagues
AC Milan 7 CL and 18 leagues
Do u see a pattern? + the best teams from the whole of Europe play in the CL with the highest quality players. Bayern, BVB, Juve, Inter, AC Milan, Real, Barca, Atletico, PSG, Napoli, Sevilla.
In a league there are only 3 elite teams, in CL there's at least 6.
The best player in the world doesn't play in PL and 0 ballon dors in the last 15 years have been won in the PL.
PL isn't that big, at the end of the day it is a league title which has the same meaning of the championship
I personally feel if I was a man city fan to me both the Premiership title and the champions league are just as important as each other they are huge now In my humble opinion win both regularly is what city fans and surely management and players at man city will want.
Is this even a question?…
Let me make it clear
The title your team wins is the bigger
And I think FA CUP is gonna be the biggest this year
Come on you bluess!!
Winning your league is your bread & butter. Winning the European Cup is the holy grail.
As a Liverpool fan I am trying to be level headed , man city are a fantastic team there is no denying that but looking at reality they need that one trophy thats missing to go as one of the all time greatest teams and I will welcome them into that cub if they win it as my loyalty also lies with English football