You are always a legend. Thanks for bringing up the issue of GUI showing the non variables. This causes a lot of confusion and you are helping a lot of people including me to understand the situation and not get overwelmed by the ammount of parameters. Thank you again
A welcome video being that the navigation settings for Inav seem to be very poorly documented. In addition I have found on several quads that vibration affecting the Z accelerometer can be a major cause of poor altitude hold performance.
Really love that you target Inav because especially the multicopter part wasnt covered by a lot others than Pawel himself. Do you sometimes share a roadmap kind of whats planned for the next videos? Just interested with what we cant count in the next time
Thanks. Eagerly waiting for this and mainly the next one coming for a while now as there is zero info about this on the net. I have setup 3 LR quads after conversion from BF to Inav (one even with a mft-01 lidar/rangefinder for surface mode alt hold) . Trying to understand all this logic while playing with the parameters in trial and error mode. (using OSD based in flight parameter tuning). The effect of the angle strenght parameter is something you probably need to take into accound as well and not mentioned in this video as all these nav modes use angl mode as base. Playing with that smoothed out or alternatively locked in/stiffended altitude and position hold a lot. With surface mode enabled as well (lidar/rangefinder also active) and high P values, you can even lean /push/pull on the quad mid flight and it will stay frozen in space. Crazy. (see the mft-01 lidar videos) Keep up the good work and looking forward to the next bread and butter version. p.s. Thanks for the blackbox templates as that is a mess with Inav compared to Betaflight. Having real trouble finding my way there . Also used as you mentiond pidtoolbox for some more insight in noise etc after failing to find it in the blackbox explorer.
A question regarding the angle level strengh parameter you mentioned. Did you increase it to have better performance? What does it do? Also, have you done any 4inch LR quad configurations, kinda like the flywoo LR4?
@@KanaBaradei It seems although it is not directly related to altitude adjustment it is related to attitude adjustment , so it determines how hard the quad is pushed back into horizontal position if it diverts from it (so angle mismatch from horizontal corrections) . But as in the end all adjustments interact with eachother i found that having it between 25-30 for my cinebot , improved altitude hold on both my rangefinder based holds , but also on my baro/gps based holds. I also recently converted my custom Flywoo explorer 4inch LR build to INAV but yet have to test and tune it as weather is bad now. My 6inch rekon 6 build and inav convert i have already some experience with but have to tune alt/position hold still there as well as although it worked with stock parameters for alt/poshold, it wobbled while holding and flew super smooth when out of hold. Having the parameters in your OSD and beeing able to tune them in flight is amazing , but it is not easy to setup unfortunately . But Fly , land , change in standard OSD menu , fly etc etc should work for most people. Check out UAVtechs second video in this series where he shows much more detail now that will help you (it helped me) understand better these related parameters. czcams.com/video/TpQTEX2SQEQ/video.html
@@tachyonpost1472 I just looking at that video lol. Thank you for the input. I clearly need to fine tune the PID because the flywoo feels more sluggish in INAV without the stock config that comes with BF. Also, when you are in poshold moving forward and then center the stick, does your quads suddenly pitch back to break? I was wondering how to dampen this, but I'm guessing its necessary to stay in that position
@@KanaBaradei Yeah before playing with all these params, make sure your basic pid tune is good and you are happy wit it flying in acro and angle. Angle needs to be good as everything else is build on top of angle. For the sudden pitchback , yeah i also had that and you can tune that with the velocity xy parameters. Similar to velocity Z it determines how fast it applies the corrections . So if you reduce that it responds more smooth or sluggish. I did that indoors with my rangefinder based positionhold and i like it more sluggish and smooth instead of rock solid but agressive hold behavior. The only downside is that when you go into poshold it will take a bit of time to stop , but it will be smoother (better for camera images when filming) . So a matter of taste/flying profile. When weather permits that is the most important thing i want to go and tune for my LR quads as for example on waypoint missions you see that same abrubt behavior around waypoints as you decribed without tunig it more down. This is all tial and error quad by quad different, but at least we start to understand what values to tune when. Key for me was the difference in understanding between the 2 things. Params for strenght of the correcting force(s) for position/alt versus parameters for the velocity of the position /alt corrections.
With INAV Fixed Wing ‘Loiter Mode’ is this a combination of Position Mode AND Altitude Mode? If so what happens with a glider with Soaring Mode enabled, does Soaring mode cancel out the Altitude Mode part?
I am thinking of putting alt hold and position hold on a separtae channel, so that I can apply alt hold to angle/horizon/acro as needed. However, if I do that what would happen if I initiated RTH i, say, position hold was enabled.. does RTH just overide everything?
Please help me!! I have everything moving correctly when I move the quad on screen I can arm & prob fly.. but the quad does not face north as my iPhone stats.. also the quad just spins on the setup menu other than that all works fine no flags? Any ideas.
Question, how do i get GPS rescue to work while i am in 3D mode in betaflight? it works on Kiss so im sure it has to work on betaflight right? i only run 3D quads and i am building a long range 7in 3D quad and need gps to work. any tips on how i do this or can it even be done in betaflight. Kiss makes this easy but i already bought T-Motor fc , esc and motors so i have to use betaflight. also i cant put 3D & 2D on a switch cause my throttle stick is spring loaded to center for 3D cause thats all i fly and that makes it a lot easier. So it's 3d or nothing. and if it comes right down to it it will be a 7in long range 3d quad without gps if thats the only option. PLESAE HELP!!!!
Have you tried to set it up as normal, confirm GPS RTH is working, and then switch into 3D mode on the next flight? Unsure if has been tested as 3D is used so infrequently by the community.
You are always a legend. Thanks for bringing up the issue of GUI showing the non variables. This causes a lot of confusion and you are helping a lot of people including me to understand the situation and not get overwelmed by the ammount of parameters. Thank you again
Appreciate the INAV stuff. So few do it. Been using it for few years now.
Detailed and cool information, great! Thanks a lot, cheers from Switzerland
Keep em coming please, really keen to use inav on a large 12 inch propped copter and this kinda is just the kinda info we lacking regarding inav
can do, but please share to get up the views. 🙂
thanks Mate - INAV is getting better to understand.
Great video. I've spent a lot of hours trying to figure out all of the _nav_ variables. Looking forward to the follow up video's.
A welcome video being that the navigation settings for Inav seem to be very poorly documented. In addition I have found on several quads that vibration affecting the Z accelerometer can be a major cause of poor altitude hold performance.
Really love that you target Inav because especially the multicopter part wasnt covered by a lot others than Pawel himself. Do you sometimes share a roadmap kind of whats planned for the next videos? Just interested with what we cant count in the next time
i don't have a specific map outside of Alt Hold and Position Hold at the moment.
More INAV, more happy me! Thanks!
thank you i was just trying the alt hold on my inav 5"
Thanks. Eagerly waiting for this and mainly the next one coming for a while now as there is zero info about this on the net. I have setup 3 LR quads after conversion from BF to Inav (one even with a mft-01 lidar/rangefinder for surface mode alt hold) .
Trying to understand all this logic while playing with the parameters in trial and error mode. (using OSD based in flight parameter tuning).
The effect of the angle strenght parameter is something you probably need to take into accound as well and not mentioned in this video as all these nav modes use angl mode as base. Playing with that smoothed out or alternatively locked in/stiffended altitude and position hold a lot. With surface mode enabled as well (lidar/rangefinder also active) and high P values, you can even lean /push/pull on the quad mid flight and it will stay frozen in space.
Crazy. (see the mft-01 lidar videos)
Keep up the good work and looking forward to the next bread and butter version.
p.s. Thanks for the blackbox templates as that is a mess with Inav compared to Betaflight. Having real trouble finding my way there . Also used as you mentiond pidtoolbox for some more insight in noise etc after failing to find it in the blackbox explorer.
A question regarding the angle level strengh parameter you mentioned. Did you increase it to have better performance? What does it do? Also, have you done any 4inch LR quad configurations, kinda like the flywoo LR4?
@@KanaBaradei It seems although it is not directly related to altitude adjustment it is related to attitude adjustment , so it determines how hard the quad is pushed back into horizontal position if it diverts from it (so angle mismatch from horizontal corrections) . But as in the end all adjustments interact with eachother i found that having it between 25-30 for my cinebot , improved altitude hold on both my rangefinder based holds , but also on my baro/gps based holds.
I also recently converted my custom Flywoo explorer 4inch LR build to INAV but yet have to test and tune it as weather is bad now. My 6inch rekon 6 build and inav convert i have already some experience with but have to tune alt/position hold still there as well as although it worked with stock parameters for alt/poshold, it wobbled while holding and flew super smooth when out of hold.
Having the parameters in your OSD and beeing able to tune them in flight is amazing , but it is not easy to setup unfortunately . But Fly , land , change in standard OSD menu , fly etc etc should work for most people. Check out UAVtechs second video in this series where he shows much more detail now that will help you (it helped me) understand better these related parameters. czcams.com/video/TpQTEX2SQEQ/video.html
@@tachyonpost1472 I just looking at that video lol. Thank you for the input. I clearly need to fine tune the PID because the flywoo feels more sluggish in INAV without the stock config that comes with BF. Also, when you are in poshold moving forward and then center the stick, does your quads suddenly pitch back to break? I was wondering how to dampen this, but I'm guessing its necessary to stay in that position
@@KanaBaradei Yeah before playing with all these params, make sure your basic pid tune is good and you are happy wit it flying in acro and angle. Angle needs to be good as everything else is build on top of angle.
For the sudden pitchback , yeah i also had that and you can tune that with the velocity xy parameters. Similar to velocity Z it determines how fast it applies the corrections . So if you reduce that it responds more smooth or sluggish. I did that indoors with my rangefinder based positionhold and i like it more sluggish and smooth instead of rock solid but agressive hold behavior. The only downside is that when you go into poshold it will take a bit of time to stop , but it will be smoother (better for camera images when filming) . So a matter of taste/flying profile. When weather permits that is the most important thing i want to go and tune for my LR quads as for example on waypoint missions you see that same abrubt behavior around waypoints as you decribed without tunig it more down.
This is all tial and error quad by quad different, but at least we start to understand what values to tune when.
Key for me was the difference in understanding between the 2 things. Params for strenght of the correcting force(s) for position/alt versus parameters for the velocity of the position /alt corrections.
Thanks
You are hero sir😊
Why are the BF logging files free to use, but now the Inav files cost $5?
because I'm evil like that. Like saying why does access to most creators' Discord costs $2 - $5+/month vs. mine is FREE.
With INAV Fixed Wing ‘Loiter Mode’ is this a combination of Position Mode AND Altitude Mode? If so what happens with a glider with Soaring Mode enabled, does Soaring mode cancel out the Altitude Mode part?
Really really good stuff.
Thanks!
Wait a minit , if we use benewake lider to it then inav drone become more stable?
yes
I am thinking of putting alt hold and position hold on a separtae channel, so that I can apply alt hold to angle/horizon/acro as needed. However, if I do that what would happen if I initiated RTH i, say, position hold was enabled.. does RTH just overide everything?
Yes.
Also POS hold activates ALT hold.
@@uavtech Great, thanks... videos are super helpful... thanks for the great work.👍
Exelent !
Please help me!! I have everything moving correctly when I move the quad on screen I can arm & prob fly.. but the quad does not face north as my iPhone stats.. also the quad just spins on the setup menu other than that all works fine no flags? Any ideas.
Do you know if it was already fixed in blackbox explorer?
the latest version of INAV BBE has the traces scaled together. I fixed up and submitted the fix to the project, and it was accepted.
thanks buddy
Question, how do i get GPS rescue to work while i am in 3D mode in betaflight? it works on Kiss so im sure it has to work on betaflight right? i only run 3D quads and i am building a long range 7in 3D quad and need gps to work. any tips on how i do this or can it even be done in betaflight. Kiss makes this easy but i already bought T-Motor fc , esc and motors so i have to use betaflight. also i cant put 3D & 2D on a switch cause my throttle stick is spring loaded to center for 3D cause thats all i fly and that makes it a lot easier. So it's 3d or nothing. and if it comes right down to it it will be a 7in long range 3d quad without gps if thats the only option. PLESAE HELP!!!!
Have you tried to set it up as normal, confirm GPS RTH is working, and then switch into 3D mode on the next flight?
Unsure if has been tested as 3D is used so infrequently by the community.
@uavtech jika di inav Versi 7.1.0 yg terbaru apakah BLACBOX tersesdia
INAV Blackbox 7.0.0 berfungsi dengan log INAV 7.1.0.
@@uavtech baik terimakasih sayabakan mencobanya
how about for inav 7 will this still apply?
100% yes!
@@uavtechjika di inav Versi 7.1.0 yg terbaru apakah BLACBOX tersesdia