The "Lore" and Development of Super Mario Bros. Wonder
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- čas přidán 11. 05. 2024
- Super Mario Bros. Wonder does a ton of new things right and perfects elements established previously in the 2D Mario format but it also takes a step back with other design choices. Let's take a deeper look at the lore, development story, and overall project that is Super Mario Bros. Wonder.
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Chapters:
00:00 - Intro to Super Mario Bros. Wonder
00:23 - The Story of Super Mario Bros. Wonder
02:05 - The Characters of Wonder
03:30 - New Gameplay Mechanics
05:35 - Development of Super Mario Bros. Wonder
09:00 - What is Elephant Mario?
09:52 - Gameplay of SMB Wonder (con't)
13:11 - Bosses in Super Mario Bros. Wonder
14:08 - Badges in Super Mario Bros. Wonder
15:29 - What is the Talking Flower in Super Mario Bros. Wonder?
17:15 - Multiplayer, the Plot, and my thoughts
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Gameplay:
"Can Nabbit Steal Mario's Power-Ups in Super Mario Bros Wonder?" - ProsafiaGaming
"Super Mario Bros. Wonder Gameplay Walkthrough Part 9 - Nabbit! World 5 Fungi Mines!" - Zebra Games
"Evolution of Nabbit in Mario Games (2013-2023)" - packattack04082
"Super Mario Bros Wonder - All Wonder Flowers" - packattack04082
"Super Mario Bros. Wonder - World 5: Fungi Mines - No Damage 100% Walkthrough" - retroarchive
"Super Mario Bros. Wonder - World 6: Deep Magma Bog - No Damage 100% Walkthrough" - retroarchive
"Super Mario Bros. Wonder - All Power-Ups & Transformations" - NintendoUnity
"Evolution of - Lava Level in Super Mario 2D Jump'n'Runs" - NintenU
"Evolution of Bubble Power-Ups in Super Mario Games (1990-2023)" - Toadrio
"Super Mario Bros. Wonder - Spikey Dance Number (Angry Spikes and Sinkin' Pipes Wonder Effect)" - justonegamr
"Koopa Troopas Dancing to the Beat in New Super Mario Bros. Wii" - Hairball97
"Super Mario Bros. Wonder - All Bosses (No Damage)" - prosafiagaming
"Super Mario Bros. Wonder - All Airships (2 Player)" - nintendounity
"Every New Enemy in Super Mario Bros Wonder"
"ALL Badges in Super Mario Bros. Wonder... and How to Find Them" - Nintendo Life
"Ranking All 24 Badges In Super Mario Bros Wonder" - Odyssey Central
"Super Mario Bros. Wonder - All Talking Flowers Comedic Moments (Full)" - Mixeli
"Don't play Mario Wonder with friends" - Sidequest
"Mario Wonder’s Local & Online Play Modes (Wonder Direct)" - GameXplain
"Super Mario Bros Wonder - Final Level 'Bowser's Rage Stage' and Ending" - Boss Fight Database
"Evolution of DJ Octavio Battles in Splatoon Games (2015-2022)"
"Super Mario Bros. Wonder - Special World - No Damage 100% Walkthrough" - RetroArchive
"Super Mario Bros Wonder - Secret Final Level | The Final-Final Test (Hardest Level)" - YTSunny
"Unlock Special Worlds in Super Mario 3D World - Guide & Walkthrough (Wii U)"
"How Yoshi & Nabbit Work in Super Mario Bros Wonder | All 12 Character Differences" - GameXplain
"Super Mario Run - Gameplay Walkthrough Part 1 - World 1, Toad Rally, and Kingdom Builder! (iOS)" - ZackScottGames
"Control Gameplay by Trevelationz"
"New Super Mario Bros. Wii - Mario Party Legacy"
"Evolution of Mario - Eryx Channel"
"Super Mario World - ScykohPlays"
"Super Mario World Crouching - kezcade"
"Super Mario Bros. Wonder - Gamer's Little Playground"
"Super Mario Bros. Wonder World Map - Tnes"
"Super Mario Wonder Bros. Special World - BornLosersGaming"
"Super Mario Bros. Wonder All Badges - SullyPwnz"
"Super Mario Bros. Wonder All Standees - aWiibo"
Music:
Super Mario Bros. Wonder OST - Overworld
World 1: Pipe-Rock Plateau - Super Mario Bros. Wonder OST
Title Screen - Super Mario Bros. Wonder OST
Super Mario Bros. Wonder - Wonder Effect
Savanna Theme - Super Mario Bros. Wonder OST
Petal Isles - Super Mario Bros. Wonder OST
Forest Theme - Super Mario Bros. Wonder OST
Prologue: The Adventure Begins! - Super Mario Bros. Wonder OST
World 2: Fluff-Puff Peaks - Super Mario Bros. Wonder
Wonder Flower: Perspective Shift - Super Mario Bros. Wonder
Shining Falls Trials Theme - Super Mario Bros. Wonder
Beach Theme - Super Mario Bros. Wonder
Athletic Theme - Super Mario Bros. Wonder
Snow Theme - Super Mario Bros. Wonder - Hry
This game is also the first performance for Mario's new voice actor, Kevin Afghani. What did you all think of his performance?
It sucks. Ive heard better in machinima 15 years ago
Who actually picked mario to play as? Never heard Mario's voice once in my playthrough.
3dit: so I heard his voice in the woweezowee clip, and boy do I not like it. Not because it doesn't sound like mario but because that is totally a Daisy quote and not a mario quote. It sounds wrong coming from mario. Which I guess mean he did alright as it does sound like mario saying something he shouldn't.
Honestly didn't even really notice any difference. It just sounds like Mario, so I guess that's a good job lol
He definitely sounds younger, but that can't be helped! He did good :)
Mario sounds pretty close to original imo, Luigi is a bit more high pitched than normal, but we'll see how the new guy will do for the next Luigi's Mansion game.
I can't help but think the translators missed a joke by not calling the residents of the Flower Kingdom "Buds" with the World Leaders that give you Royal Seeds "Best Buds"
Pass that sht along. Poppies are psychoactive too you know, just like psilocybin, or your humble bud.
Thank you, Kevin Afghani, clearly fighting the good fight against Taliban (they banned opium production in Afghnistan in 2022 and curbed much of the GLOBAL supply).
That’s very cute, seems like something the Mario + Luigi team would do
Not something easy to replicate in other languages
Clueless players: With Mario Maker 2, we will never need another 2-D game.
Wonder's creator team: Here's 2,000 new things.
Those sentiments were mildly annoying and I was hoping Nintendo wouldn't take it as a bookend to 2D Mario. Thankfully they saw this as a challenge instead.
@TheMentok Yeah, their way of thinking is absurd since Mario is always evolving with every new game. New power ups, enemies, styles of play, levels such as the worlds of Mario Galaxy, and such.
These kids don't understand game developers are pay to be creative and have a wild imagination to make games. The problem is nintendo got lazy whit the new super Era which was a bad Era for 2D mario.
Why would we want to play expertly crafted levels from the industry leader in 2D platforming for almost 40 years with full access to the game engine's code when we can play an endless stream of levels made in a simple editor by 8 year olds?
I love that the attitude towards beginners has changed so much in the landscape of gaming, so now we have modes/characters specifically to ease new players in. But in the NES days when Nintendo became a household name, it was more "Awwww, you've got one of the two games your parents will buy you this year?? Too bad, here's the Turbo Tunnel and your mother will yell at you if you don't let your brother play."
It's also cool to see developers from that time admitting that those older games were intentionally difficult to stretch out play time. 😂
damn@@TheMentok you really 1shot that man.
the one thing stopping me to considering this the very best Mario 2D platformer is the bossfights, or lack of such. Man, imagine the Koopalings under Wonder Flower effects. i wanna see Lemmy's giants psychedelic balls!
I know some people were tired of the Koopalings and think they were overused over the last few years, but they were missed here 😂 Wonder Effect with more creative boss fights for each Koopaling would have been cool. (I'd still would have preferred new villains from the Flower Kingdom)
Have koopalings show their true personalities haha
Ludwig having some type of opera/ Beethoven fight, etc.
would even love to have the Broodals come back (bunnies from Mario Odyssey)
His WHAT
The funny thing is Bowser Jr's fights are beat for beat the same as the Koopalings in SMW
I don’t think the koopalings was the problem. It was just that the fights were all the same except for a very small detail. They could’ve be creative with the wonder effects but they focused more in level design instead which it’s still appreciated.
"Mario strikes the finishing blow"
Daisy: I'M NOT MARIO!
Luigi: Welcome to my world
peach and daisy are forming a coalition to take down the flower kingdom
I played this with my friends, and we 100% the game! It took us (one of my friends was very committed) almost 3 to 4 hours on the final-final level alone. We changed the voice of the flowers to Portugese (a language none of us spoke) with english captions so the flowers werent as jarring
These games are always a good time with friends. New Super Mario Bros. Wii was an unforgettable time for me beating it with a friend so I'm glad co-op continues to be expanded on in 2D Mario
Something interesting is that one of the loading screen texts decanonizes the super mario brothers super show, via saying the toads caps are NOT HATS.
In terms of Boss fights, I would personally consider certain Wonder events to be "mini bosses". Events like the giant Thwomp in the crystal cave, the big fish, Shadow Mario and the giant Bowser head in the airship stages. You're not damaging them, but in running away from them in order to not die, that makes their presence scarier.
For me, having less bosses is a plus. I always thought that bosses (in castle or airships) slow down the pacing of 2D Mario games.
Also, no mention of the replacement of Charles Martinet?
Never fear; I found a tad bit of lore that is actually very important (suprisingly??). There are multiple different places where you can find captain toad, where he'll give you purple coins for finding him. But, upon first meeting him, he says: "This... IS our first time meeting, right?" Implying that this is the first time canonically that we meet CT. Meaning that SMBW comes before SMG, SMG2, SM3DW, and SMO in the timeline. I just found that extremely interesting, and I'm mad no one else has been talking about it.
I did mention Captain Toad in my original script but scrapped the line regarding him to shorten things a bit. I didn't notice that line (or rather didn't think much of it when I read it) Interesting they'd put that in there considering how confident I am that Nintendo doesn't care for timelines 😂 I'll have to replay the game and check this out
@@TheMentok Yeah, I originally gave up trying to make a timeline for the mario games, but Wonder put me all through the loop. It seems that it would be right before galaxy (seeing as Bowser mentions taking over the universe with his Wonder, but we know it's before Galaxy bc of the whole captain toad thing), but it has to be after sunshine because Bowser Jr. is obviously here, when his big entrance was in sunshine originally. It's all madness!
I interpreted that as captain toad talking to Prince Florian specifically, since they obviously haven’t met before (and I think other npc’s throughout the game mainly address Florian specifically but I’d have to check to verify that). Still something interesting to think about though
the point is that they didn't want to write alternative dialogues depending on which character met him and which didn't so they made him say a line that could be interpreted either way, that's why he appears confused.
plus it'd be a mess to attempt to implement such a thing with the whole multiplayer thing as well as with mario luigi peach blue toad and yoshi(I guess galaxy 2 didn't happen in the true timeline™) having met him and the rest not having. It's really not worth it for them to complicate things so much just to preserve a timeline that noone at nintendo care about
It does seem like they prioritized the Wonder mechanic and then had to skip adding meaningful new bossfights because of a deadline - i'm really hoping for a DLC with additional postgame content, because the foundation of this game is really solid and lots of fun!
I get this vibe too. But the Wonder mechanic leaves me wanting more. Based on my research, this definitely looks like the rubric going forward for a while. DLC would be perfect for this
I’ve heard that Nintendo didn’t even have a deadline for this game, and didn’t crunch get it done. I can’t imagine why they “were so full on ideas,” yet they didn’t have any better ideas than step on Bowser Jr’s head 3 times 5 different times… Sure, he had slightly different environmental things happening every time but it’s nothing new.
This felt like I was watching a video from a veteran CZcamsr. Nice job on the production!!
the talking plants where basically just there for younger fans with lower attention spans. by having silly talking flowers who point out the silly things and just say nonsense, it keeps them engaged and actively question their surroundings. that’s it.
As much as I enjoyed the game, I thought the team played it safe regarding that end battle. At least a post-rhythm based scenario-something to convince me that Dj Bowser makes sense would have helped, in my opinion.💁🏾♂️
Kinda disappointing that it doesn't expand on the lore but the game looks like a fun wholesome time
Yeah, I'm not expecting much lorewise from Mario and I don't think I needed much from this one but I felt we should have gotten a little more personality from the Flower Kingdom, otherwise it may as well have taken place in the Mushroom Kingdom. (By the way, I saw Godzilla Minus One during my vacation in Japan last week and I'm still blown away. What a film.)
I freakin LOVE that flower! 😂 great review!
Have you heard of Walpeach design she would have been a child bossing Wario and Waluigi so think Mandy with the Dynamic of Crula de vil and Horse and Jasper
Yes, I managed to see the design. Was considering talking about this in a pretty short video. 😏
@@TheMentok 👀 Looking forward to it and bring up Koopeach/Bowsette too
Make a longer video about how fans have completely reverse standards for these ripoff characters, because when Peachette is actually official, they scream bloody murder how boring she is BECAUSE that's the one case where Nintendo ACTUALLY DID make a ripoff character official.
Then they whine all day long why nintendo "refuses" to make canon of either tiny Doronojo, OR sexually lobotomized Bowser who genuinely seems to have nothing in common with Bowser except superficial dress-up.
@sboinkthelegday3892 Funny how they throw a fit over peachette being in mario kart saying they didn't need another peach varian only to have the nerve to get angry at Nintendo for scrapping a peach varian thar would have added nothing to the franchise. Who the would want to see Wario take order from a filler peach clone that a ripoff of a angry anime girl.
@@INFERNO95 Peachette is basically Toadette disguised as Peach while Wapeach would have been the antithesis to Peach
The wonder flowers do what you would expect the mushrooms to do
The talking flower reminds me of Clippy
Yeah game is awesome. But i agree them not really doing anything with the new setting aside from talking flowers seems like a waste
I don't believe it; this would've been the PERFECT opportunity to re-introduce the Flower-Prince -A.K.A, Peach's fiance- from the OG 'Super Mario' anime! It was RIGHT THERE!! XD =)
He anime character not a nintendo character and nobody like him.
@@INFERNO95 It intended as joke. Me no speak caveman.
the lore of the game is bowser wanted to thrown the biggest rave party in the world
The game was short and sweet!
I cannot wait to see more from this new engine & style they worked on. Hoping the next game is longer with many more ideas, heck even reuse many wonder events and build upon it.
The music is so good and even the flower i love! chabged him to be in spanish and it qas adorablely funny.
Ngl I was expecting them to take the route of Yoshi’s Island with the bosses by taking regular enemies and taking full advantage of the wonder flowers wacky powers to turn them into crazy boss fights, this is where the game looses much of its points for me, thankfully it’s still a very solid game bosses aside
I've always assumed that Daisy had essentially abandoned her original kingdom. Mario flies her away from it at the end of Super Mario Land, and then we next see her playing Tennis in the Mushroom Kingdom.
Im an old jaded gamer. Ive been gaming since the mid 80.
And SMBW blew my mind. It was like being a kid playing SMB3 for the first time again.
Solid review, subbed for more
Thanks for the sub!
7:04 I loved that part.
I’m just waiting for them to finally pull wart the frog from deep recesses of their ass. I get that he’s not a Nintendo original but they used him in link’s awakening so there’s really no excuse. This game would have been perfect for him
Totally agree, I didn’t mention it in the video but before Bowser was fully revealed, I was half jokingly saying Wart should have taken the lead here. Would be awesome to see them team up one day because the same Koopa bosses are getting stale in this format
13:52 MX would probably fit right in with Mario Wonder's aesthetic.
Don't think I couldn't tell whose silhouette you nabbed for this.
I got a theroy that nabit is the red toad with the blue shirt
[11:26] That sounds alot like the begining of the movie " FROZEN ll "
“Walking plants, huh? Almost as strange as talking plants” -a talking plant
I think elephants actually fit the theme of the game really well. Elephants are commonly used in psychedelic effects.
I had to finish the game so I could watch this video.
Welcome to the other side
Idk why, but I love the new running animation the characters have at max speed. It's so goofy
I'm also upset that the game doesn't have more lore, more story, more personality for the characters, even though the spin-offs like the first three Paper Mario games and the Mario and Luigi games show that the potential is absolutely there.
But sadly you can't expect much from the mainline Mario games in that regard. Story, lore, and character writing never were their focus. But even if you're left hungry for more lore, believe me I am too, imagining stuff like Peach menacing the Flower Kingdom or the Flower Kingdom chasing the Mushroom people from the land makes no sense with these characters' personalities. Peach wouldn't do that.
Lore was definitely lacking here. I didn't need much because it is just Mario at the end of the day, but the new Kingdom needed more personality. Also, my ramblings about a warmonger Peach is just a joke for the video. 😂 I know she's not like that (and I definitely wouldn't want Nintendo to write her that way)
@@TheMentok Yeah I figured it was a joke. Personally I wish I could make my own Mario game that would have a good story and uses these characters' potential at the fullest. With all the Kingdoms in it too.
And even though that won't happen because the chances of me working at Nintendo or making a fangame are low (and even if I could make a fangame, we know Nintendo and their takedowns), I already imagined a story and themes anyway.
You know how the Mushroom Kingdom is inspired by Alice in Wonderland, and the Beanbean Kingdom by Jack and the Beanstalk. Well to give consistency to the Mario world, I thought we could make each Kingdom tied to a fairy tale. For example, Sarasaland would be the Arabian Nights.
And for the Flower Kingdom, I was thinking Thumbelina. I imagined that there could be a prophecy in the Flower Kingdom saying that the royalty of the Kingdom would be born from a Royal Seed's Wonder Effect, and that's how Florian is born and was put in the role of Prince by the Poplins.
During the events of the game, a Royal Seed's Wonder Effect would give birth to a small girl (she mirrors Thumbelina, I don't have a name for her yet though), who the Poplins want to make their princess and who Florian wants to rule with.
But she's basically a newborn (though she can talk and everything) so she gets overwhelmed and runs away. Mario arrives soon after as he follows the events of the main story and accepts to help Florian find the girl.
As we progress, we the player would learn about the prophecy, how Florian was born and became the prince, and how he insisted that the girl became his princess because that's what he was told would happen his entire life, as the prophecy is much much older than he is.
He would realize his mistake and, later in the story, would have a Wonder Flower temporarily transforming him into a fairy-looking butterfly form (mirroring the Fairy Prince from Thumbelina), which I think he should have had in Wonder so that he can help us reach Bowser in the final fight.
Anyway they eventually find the girl, Florian apologizes to her, explains the context with the prophecy, and asks if she would be okay with them just being friends for now, and that if she doesn't want to become the princess, that's also okay.
The girl accepts to be Florian's friend who eventually goes back to caterpillar form and all's well that ends well for this chapter of the game.
of all the games to make the cliche “mario games are just one big drug hallucination” joke about, this is definitely the one that makes the most sense
The reason Daisy is in the gane is because the game creator's daughter's always argue on who to play as in soon off games so he put both princesses in so they would stop fighting
They could have had the villains be based on parasitic plants
The "wonder flower" is actually an angel's trumpet. Mario is just tripping balls.
Bout time someone said it. The entire game is one big acid trip
9:45 so it’s not technically the first time they say “wowie zowie”. Luigi says it when he sees the hotel from Luigi’s Mansion 3…guess they wanted to keep it…
i would've loved for Yoshis Island style bosses. just give a regular enemy a wonder flower, turn them massive, give them a funny gimmick, and everything's perfect
Oh my! I just realized! What if Nabbit is that unknown spy in the Mario Movie!!
9:47 "never said before" Play Luigi's Mansion 3 I beg you
Apologies if somebody already brought this up, but....
RE: "Wowie Zowie"
Personally, I hope one of the devs of this game was a Zappa fan, who threw it in as an Easter egg. Either that or they also love the Pavement album with a similar name:
czcams.com/video/LVtRypTupws/video.html
BTW, as usual, this video's rad. Thanks for all your content & keep up the awesome work, @TheMentok.
I still haven’t beaten the last level on special world 😢 Very tough!
"Wowie zowie" is an elephant pun, "zou" is Japanese for elephant.
Makes me wonder if the levels that features the player being shadowed were inspired by the DKCR games.
And video game journalists will still complain about how hard it is even with Nabbit.
You should do a video about Mario RPG
Forgot to mention the fire flower got nerfed a bit of bounce height instead of like 1 block high into 0.7 or 0.8 I think but anyway the fire ball bounce less height unlike previous Mario titles
Petal isles is World .5
Would love to see Wario and Waluigi integrated into one of these games, imagine a family off of some sorts lol
I still wish there were more animal power ups.
I can dream of DLC, I guess 😢
I was going to suggest why they dropped blowing up the shells, but I see you're already on that.
You forgot to mention capitain toad I guess.
"Wowie zowie!" might come from the Japanese word for "elephant", being "zou" (pronounced "zoh")
The talking flowers are the Clippy of the game 😖
I thought the name for the powerup was like that because the second part is similar to the pronunciation for the Japanese word for Elephant
Honestly I thought Mario and co were there to like chill out in the flower kingdom, not a political thing
Talking Flower... Flowey relative from Undertale?!
this vid is so (Wonderful)
The amount of Polish this game has is cr azy
I know it’s been a month, but if you still haven’t beaten the final level I got you 😂
I wish other characters could talk as well. To me it seems weird for there to have the characters speak in text dialogue and then have voice acted dialogue right after. But this game also made me wonder. Why do Mario as well as most Nintendo games have texted dialogue?
It's time to address the elephant in the room TheMentok! 🐘
is it just me or does the talking flower look like bellsprout
Imagine a world where Nintendo wasn't evil and modding wasn't attacked and was instead promoted. Imagine giving the world the ability to create their own wonder levels if they have the coding skills, like obviously some mods will come out but the average Joe won't be able to play them as modding the switch at all is a nightmare for a casual and needs external tools just to do it.
Yeah, and then result in Nintendo getting sued for promoting said mods when a new game comes out that even remotely looks like said idea from modder just like what happened with Mario Baseball.
@@user-be3qc7re9o I’ve never heard of that one. I have seen a 9 year old boy sue Nintendo for a baseball NES game that didn’t live up to expectations. But yes you are right about Nintendo being sued for being similar to a game mod.
@@mwelite1706
Which is why they stopped talking about them and have made it clear that certain mods are not allowed.
Could they put DK in a Main Mario game prehaps as a nod to the 2023 movie ?
No. He has his own series.
@@INFERNO95 that didnt stop Yoshi to appear in many mainline games like this one and he has Yoshi Island and Wario who has Wario Land and Warioware he appear in 64 DS
@@INFERNO95 Yoshi in this game despite having his own series. Seriously, why are you always negative?
Still think Super Mario World will hold my favorite 2D Mario platformer
isnt prince flourian the prince princess peach was supposed to marry in the 1980s mario anime???
Nope.
That was Haru
Why doesn't Peach just send a whole army at bowser? I mean she is the ruler of mushroom kingdom after all.
She peaceful not a figther. Toad are like family to her she doesn't want them getting hurt.
@@INFERNO95plus Mario is more competent
She secretly enjoys being abducted over and over
Tbh, I think Wonder should have been Goty
For what? it's essentially New Super Mario BROS but everyone's tripping balls.
@TheZombiesAreComing Not at all lol
The mario franchise is digging it's own grave by making bowser a reacouring antagonist
Either A: befriemd bowser and be done with it
Or B: dispatch bowser and be done with it
Edit: the poplins (or an earlier version) meant to apear in super mario world
Mm
That’s not how you pronounce “Brothers”
I identify as the talking flower
Stop