The Man Behind Custom Bromptons | A Conversation with Ben Cooper of Kinetics

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  • čas přidán 22. 07. 2024
  • After following the success of the M line build I thought it was important to sit down with Ben Cooper to talk shop about all things Brompton. We learn about, belt drive Bromptons, gear box Bromptons and much more. We learn more about Ben's past and what has made him one of the top players when it comes to custom Bromptons.
    You can visit the Kinetics website here and Ben talks about all the methods of how best to contact him.
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    Chapters:
    0:00 Introduction to Ben
    0:42 History of Kinetics
    2:05 How did you learn your craft?
    3:17 What made you start to modify Bromptons?
    4:22 The Pinion Gearbox
    5:18 Belt Drive
    7:35 Most common modifications?
    8:24 Brompton M Line
    10:25 Titanium??
    12:00 Let's talk weight
    13:04 Taller rider modifications
    14:28 Does Brompton know of your work?
    16:51 The 12 Speed
    18:15 Derailleurs
    19:26 Outro
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Komentáře • 41

  • @peterstewart2307
    @peterstewart2307 Před 7 měsíci +5

    Ben has revolutionised my Brompty. Now run around on an 11 speed, front, rear disc brakes dream machine. Way beyond the commuting basic - I tour often on it and my classy touring bike now graces my hall cupboard and doesn't see the light of day! So often I get many comments for other cyclists - I love it as it's a chance to punt the skills of Mr Cooper. Thanks Ben.

  • @pootlingalong8928
    @pootlingalong8928 Před 7 měsíci +10

    Enjoyed this video - heard about Ben and Kinetics 6 or 7 years ago, good to put a face to the legend! Thank you for sharing such an interesting conversation.

    • @TheBromptonGuy
      @TheBromptonGuy  Před 7 měsíci +1

      Thanks for watching. I was amazed to find out how long he's actively been in the Brompton game for and yeah I feel apart from his website his work isn't massively shared out to the public. I only found out about him from a bike shop I visited when I needed a chain breaker tool in Glasgow.

  • @alexmorgan3435
    @alexmorgan3435 Před 7 měsíci +5

    Very interesting. Would have been nice to have shown some pics in your video of the various modifications you were talking about. Thank you for making and sharing.

    • @TheBromptonGuy
      @TheBromptonGuy  Před 7 měsíci +1

      Never asked for permission to use all his images but might do a video a little down the line shown them all. Thanks for watching Alex

  • @kavanobrien6547
    @kavanobrien6547 Před 7 měsíci +4

    Brilliant video, nice to hear about the belt drive and the fact he likes them also , as said before very surprised Brompton is not looking into a belt drive system, everyone I’ve talked with would change for a belt drive but without changing the rear triangle,maybe in your journey on your channel you might come across a system that allows you just to swap from chain to belt keeping the original triangle. Stranger things have happened at sea. Take care, safe riding.

    • @TheBromptonGuy
      @TheBromptonGuy  Před 7 měsíci +1

      If I find a way, system or someone with one you'll be the first to know my friend

    • @kavanobrien6547
      @kavanobrien6547 Před 7 měsíci

      @@TheBromptonGuy Thanks , sounds like single malt challenge.

  • @andyml1
    @andyml1 Před 7 měsíci +3

    Great video of a great cycle engineer and designer. 👍👍

    • @TheBromptonGuy
      @TheBromptonGuy  Před 5 měsíci

      Glad you enjoyed!! Hopefully more to come down the pipeline

  • @andyfairchild2383
    @andyfairchild2383 Před 7 měsíci +2

    Fascinating stuff, thank you. I’ve been following Kinetics on FB for a while and am toying with getting either an alfine or rohloff conversion. Just need to work out what I want from all the options of wheel size, brakes etc.
    Great to finally put a face to the guy behind it all though.

    • @TheBromptonGuy
      @TheBromptonGuy  Před 5 měsíci +1

      Yeah I think it’s great to highlight these great folk

  • @o5126
    @o5126 Před 7 měsíci +3

    Thank you for the great and interesting video!
    My donor bike arrived at Ben's shop yesterday. 😄Looking forward to collect it in Glasgow.

    • @TheBromptonGuy
      @TheBromptonGuy  Před 7 měsíci

      You have picked the safest hands possible to complete work on your bike my friend. What you getting done?

    • @SimonBrowneNZ
      @SimonBrowneNZ Před 7 měsíci

      Also keen to hear what you are getting done and most important WHY? Did you buy donor bike especially for the upgrade?

    • @o5126
      @o5126 Před 7 měsíci

      I just love bikes, since I started Mountainbiking in 1999. Startig with my second bike, I build them myself. The last was a Steel Hardtail All Mountain (Chromag Rootdown, Formula Selva, a lot of Hope Parts, Newmen Rims, ...). So I love special, individual bikes. 😉
      For work I travel a lot around Switzerland, mainly with public transport. Therefore I thought about a brompton for years, but they are expensive and i don't like the brakes and gears. About two years ago, I found the kinetics website. A Brompton to my specs is not exactly cheap, so I hesitadet. We're going on holiday to scotland in spring, which is the perfect opportunity to pick it up ourselves.
      It will have a integral rack, an Alfinde 11 gear Hub with belt drive (Roloff is just too expensive), SP Front Hub, 18" Rims and disc brakes. I'm not sure about the colour yet (dark, blue or green laquer) and the disc brake (Hope is expensive, Formula in black could be cool).
      I was thinking about 20" wheels, to be fast. I switched to 18" after Ben explained, that 18" with bigger tires are more versatile and they fold better.

    • @sgb-at-nz
      @sgb-at-nz Před 7 měsíci

      @@o5126 oh dear, that is my sounds like an amazing combination of upgrades. I'm talking to Ben and Hannah at Brilliant Bikes about a more restrained upgrade; 5 speed SA hub that fits the standard width dropouts, with a Gates belt and keeping everything else standard, but we will see. I have hills all around me, so a low, low number 1 gear is priority too. A belt just makes so much sense to me now that Gates are more relaxed about bending the belt backwards. Please keep us informed about your upgrade.

  • @trigs1441
    @trigs1441 Před 7 měsíci

    Great vid and very interesting.

  • @chukidee6634
    @chukidee6634 Před 5 měsíci

    Really great vid. Many thanks.

    • @TheBromptonGuy
      @TheBromptonGuy  Před 5 měsíci

      Thank you for the feedback! Much appreciated.

  • @simonjohnson2897
    @simonjohnson2897 Před 7 měsíci

    Thanks for asking such interesting questions. I’ve ordered a Brompton from Ben with Rohloff / Belt. I can’t wait to receive the masterpiece!

    • @TheBromptonGuy
      @TheBromptonGuy  Před 7 měsíci +1

      Very jealous indeed! You've order an amazing sounding bike, let me know how it goes once you've put it through its paces

    • @simonjohnson2897
      @simonjohnson2897 Před 7 měsíci

      The parts are being painted now. I've copied the CHPT3 (v2) colours. @@TheBromptonGuy - I hope to tour with my camping gear and avoid the issues of getting a full-sized bike on trains.

    • @kavanobrien6547
      @kavanobrien6547 Před 7 měsíci

      Could I or dare I ask how much it was ? Also what wheel size did you get, many have said the 18” is better than 20”

  • @finncarlbomholtsrensen1188
    @finncarlbomholtsrensen1188 Před 7 měsíci +1

    I knew about Dutch, Bromptonian, which makes special versions of the trifold bike and repair and strengthening parts, but I never heard about Kinetics, in this context. I have heard of Russian producers of High End, Titanium versions of a trifold frame, but hardly any buys from Russia these days. Finn. Denmark

  • @john3892
    @john3892 Před 7 měsíci

    Top notch. An interesting interview with an interesting man. Well done! Let’s get Ben working on a simple front suspension for Bromptons, taking a cue from F-frame and Bridgestone Moultons and from Steve Parry’s conversions.

    • @TheBromptonGuy
      @TheBromptonGuy  Před 7 měsíci

      Glad you enjoyed it friend. Trying to line up some more interesting interviews with people that can talk about all things Brompton. However Ben was starting at a very high point.

    • @kavanobrien6547
      @kavanobrien6547 Před 7 měsíci

      That would be a good move to have front suspension on Brompton’s .

  • @roddyb
    @roddyb Před 4 měsíci

    Love my Kinetics triangle and Alfine hub.

    • @TheBromptonGuy
      @TheBromptonGuy  Před 4 měsíci

      For sure a beautiful and affordable combination. 8 or 11 speed?

  • @Jay-hg2ec
    @Jay-hg2ec Před 7 měsíci

    Brompton now make a 4 speed C line electric (seen it myself at covent garden) it has steel version of the P line titanium rear triangle, what I'm not sure about is whether or not the BWR hub will fit in a P line type triangle

    • @TheBromptonGuy
      @TheBromptonGuy  Před 7 měsíci

      Did you manage to get a photo? Sounds interesting, thanks for sharing

  • @davidrowe8747
    @davidrowe8747 Před 7 měsíci

    Fascinating video insight into the possibilities. What are the implications for the Brompton warranty if modifications have been made? Adding, for example, an Alfine 11-speed to a C-Line Explore ... would that require a new rear triangle, and would the Brompton warranty on the whole bike become voided? Or just the rear end?

    • @TheBromptonGuy
      @TheBromptonGuy  Před 7 měsíci +1

      I would imagine the main frame would continue to be in warranty but obvs the fork and triangle aren’t from Brompton. However suppose it’s safer to just accept you have no warranty cause it’s a custom build to be honest. However I would love to deliver the bike to Brompton modified just to see there response.
      However Ben does have lifetime warranty on his parts.

    • @davidrowe8747
      @davidrowe8747 Před 7 měsíci

      @@TheBromptonGuy interesting. I only recently purchased my C-Line Explore but after I've had it for a year I may certainly look at the Alfine 11 conversion. I've found Ben's Web site and bookmarked it! I used to live up that way, shame I'm not still there as I'd love to visit his workshop.

  • @davidhunternyc1
    @davidhunternyc1 Před 6 měsíci

    This conversation was fascinating. I'm new to Brompton and I love the T-Line but is it perfect? I don't know. I'm not educated. Recently, I discovered the Leggero T7C folding ti bike on the JackbikeSG CZcams channel. It looks like an improved Brompton T-Line but is it? I would love to hear what you think of it, from an educated perspective. Also, has Ben Cooper improved the T-Line with his customized options? I've got no answers, only questions. Thank you.

    • @TheBromptonGuy
      @TheBromptonGuy  Před 5 měsíci

      Sorry for the delayed response. I’ll need to have a look at this bike but I doubt in terms of the quality of fold and weight the t line could be touched but will have a look. (I’ve never tested a t line myself yet). Ben doesn’t do any work on the T line at present as he doesn’t build with titanium.

  • @joyousland
    @joyousland Před 7 měsíci +1

    Chinese triangle with titanium, carbon and knockoff mod are coming fast and cheap. Hope Kinetic is keeping the leading edge from the fierce competition.

    • @o5126
      @o5126 Před 7 měsíci +2

      If I can choose between a cheap Chinese part from an anonymous factory of unknown quality and a European part from an expert with years of experience, the answer is relatively simple. If my life can depend on it (e.g. fork breakage in road traffic), it's no longer a question. I have also ordered bike computer mounts, bells and bottle cages from China, but I would never buy handlebars, forks or rims from such a source. And yes, I know that almost everything comes from China. But then there is a company that takes care of quality assurance. Ali and the others don't have that.

    • @TheBromptonGuy
      @TheBromptonGuy  Před 5 měsíci +1

      Tbh Ben as a person and his craft is what people are actively paying for. If people want the cheap experience without know who is even behind the parts that’s fair and each to their own. I’ve seen on Amazon they sell titanium frames and been tempted to buy one for a review. Thanks for supporting