i think you missed one important reason , which is the love of artistry .... if you appreciate art and have a passion for creating art that will boost your chances for being more successful !
I think there is a fear for some people of being rejected and me personally as an amateur I would need to get over it in order to do this as a business.
I'm not a photographer, but I always love to hear your thoughts on business. It's the main reason I check out your channel. :) As an independent artist, who struggles with the 'business' side of the profession, I really appreciate your perspective. Thanks for another thought provoking video.
Ya but when he opens his mouth you realise he's a smart, self-motivated successful dude- dude. He would be the one making money taking killer pics at a wedding :)
I work as a full time cook in a busy restaurant 5 days a week / 10 hrs a day. All or most of my spare time is spent editing / cold calling clients / and shooting. I don't have a life. I'm tired all the time. I've never been happier - Passion and dedication show through your work...put your head down and give'er.
@@alexanderstyrlander7991 wow, its 5 year old me! I'm good! Hard work pays off, I have retainer clients and have a good steady revenue of income. Its not an easy road but you can do it if you want it badly.
I love the "dont push" and the "aren't good enough" advice. People migrate away from pushy people. I do it. Everyone does it. Sell yourself, but dont annoy. And yeah, dont ask your mom if she loves your photos. She will always say yes. Ask strangers. If they think they are poorly shot, you have work to do. Anything I've done in my life Ive asked people to be honest with me because THATS more helpful than making me feel better and telling me I'm amazing.
+The Post Color Blog (Dave's Tuts) :D Not always :D My mom hates most of my work, but I gave hundreds and hundreds of clients who love :D (I am pro photographer for 6 years now)
+Alex Wroblewski I don't know what school would possibly do that. I went to a liberal arts school for photography and learned everything crucial I needed to know about shooting, processing and printing and of COURSE we had to shoot in RAW. The real issue? They didn't teach a single things to us about business!
+Kyle Medina I'm not arguing that fact, and I actually read this statement the wrong way "students don't learn how to use raw to improve their photos". I thought he was trying to say that schools teach how to shoot in JPEG. Either way; you're right. It makes no difference.
+Jared Polin that's exactly right. People don't want to hear your prices or your big special. . They want to see your work and what you bring to the table!
+Brian Kirstein Yep and the fact that it needs to be pointed it out highlights one of the problems many people trying to make it as a photographer have. They don't see themselves as first and foremost as a small business owner.
Following my mother's lead as a journalist writing news and taking pictures for the area newspapers I thought I could get set up as a photographer but after two disasters taking pictures at weddings (i.e.-wrong shutter speeds while using a flash) I opted for a career on the railroad.
I've no desire to become a professional photographer and for me photography. and art in general, is about more than being a means of making you wealthy. What you didn't add to your list was the most basic question, 'why do I want to take photographs?' Clearly you're all about making money and that's fine, but your 'reasons why you won't make it as a photographer' video should be titled 'why you wont make it financially as a paid professional photographer?'
+Nicholas Fox Every artist would like the opportunity to share their gift and art with others and make money off of it to help support their work. He is just trying to show people how to do it efficiently. And for some people it's not their calling to make money off of it.
+Mark Kurowski Wrong. As an artist myself who does make some money off it, I much prefer to sell my work to someone who will enjoy the artwork, rather than just for my own financial gain. I have also turned down many commissions because I didn't think the photograph would work as a drawing. Not everyone is out for every penny they can squeeze out of people. Like the many CZcamsrs who choose to advertise on there videos for financial gain. Really, they aren't doing it to be helpful, they're doing it to make money.
For me, people simply enjoying my artwork is extremely rewarding... But I'd never exploit that for anyone, some people do still have morals on this Earth, we aren't all hypocrites :)
+renderuthis haha shooting film already makes me a little bit pretentious already but not so pretentious that I would go around calling myself an artist.
***** I would argue that it is not. I do not claim to be a master of light, nor composition. I'll call my work art when people start telling me about the meaning they attribute to it or the story they think my photographs tell.
+AmbiencePT That's awesome! Also to add to my original comment I ended up getting a pentax 67 with the 55mm, 105mm and 200mm lenses so I can shoot 6x7 film. I might bring it to the wedding I booked for next summer.
My plan is to mix photography and art. I'm recently started to copy one of my photos via colored pencil. I've realized that it's going to be hard to make money off the bat doing nature photography so I'm going to use my art skills to help get me started and start selling my art first. I've already sold art in the past but never made much money do to my laziness. Now that a have a real job(doing dishes) it has given me the motivation I need to pursue my passion.
Im only 15 and already have gotten so much work for a tiny island in Hawaii... Im working so hard and am learning so much from you!!! Thank you so much for all the tips!!!!
I often do not agree with many of the comments on these videos but appreciate that they are being made. This one however is precisely right, but not just for photographers. Being a good photographer is only a small part of having a successful business in photography, the same way being a good chef is a small part of running a successful restaurant. The business of photography is business, promotion, communications, management, creative in solving business problems such as that example of "I am in a small town", by turning that into an advantage instead of simply an excuse. Knowing the market is part of your job....not just what you assume it is but precisely who are the users of photo services, talk to 500 of them see what their needs are and become a solution for them. Small business, even mid size business is usually poor in market research because they think they have no time for that but it is foolish to make any decision about the business, equipment, training, promotion without knowing the real status of the market is. I often give talks to young business person club meetings or seminars and I am always so surprised how little understanding of the business side of their chosen field the audience have. Photographers are no different
All true for more than just photography! I'm a web developer building photography and video production into all my work. One feeds the other. Build on what your good at and expand your services and talents. Never stop marketing yourself!!!
#2 depends I feel. I know some very successful photographers who do not shoot video. They are only stills photographers and they make a decent living only shooting stills. I think the more important message here (and maybe this is what you meant) is stay up to date with what is in style and what people like. For example, if doing duo-tones was popular but no longer is, then maybe stop doing duo-tones or find out what is popular now and try to work on that. I don't think you have to shoot video to be successful as a photographer. it may help your portfolio but I don't think it's a necessity.
Thanks, Jared! I guess I am going to sell all of my camera equipment. Oh wait, I really don’t feel like taking the time to post it online. Maybe I can get one of my friends or family to buy it, then I’ll be able to go and buy a new recliner.😊
Yup, I used to make excuses, and being from Philly hasn't made it any easier, but now I am my own boss, I run my own video company. I get paid great, I travel, I take care of my family, I name my price and I'm only 27 yrs old! Being a director/videographer is the best thing that have ever happened to me! Jared I agree with everything u said!!
Well said Jared. One other thing you left out was being patient. I'd say being patient is the biggest step of them all because it ties in with the other five things you said in this video.
Many would find this discouraging but for me its like this is the truth and you just got to go out there and not be scared. I have to admit when I first read the title I thought "Oh man" but like everything you got to give it a shot and look, nothing like I initially thought. Thank man, for some it will not work for them but it definitely it a home run for me.
"Chief just chewed my ass out! You see I don't have any bit of it left, don't you?" - Dude that's a quote from some old movie about a cop from Beverly Hills, but I want to tell you thank you for that ass whooping. It seems like it was done out of sincere kindness. Gracias, Sir. Sometimes a good and honest dose of truth is just what we all need to hear. Respect!
You are spot on! I have been in business since 1985 and I, like you (you are much, much younger though) have heard them all, the favourite two I get are "its alright for you" and "I would love to do what you do but I have a mortgage, family etc". Excuses, Excuses, Excuses. Good stuff.
I agree! 5% is taking pictures, rest it marketing and social skills. Not many are willing to do that, so for not lazy there is actually little competition.
Composition is number 1. Very true, my dad owned a commercial studio in Virginia in the 1950’s. He was a combat photographer, and cinematographer? He offered photography and 16/35mm. He used to say work won’t look for you, so get out and look for it.
You know I read the title and got pissed off but watched the video and it motivated me to keep Pushing. You left off #6 sir. I'm the one whose afraid of rejection so I do not even sale my self. Thanks for the video and all that you do to make us successful!
Right on Jared, I worked for a studio that didn't follow this simple 5 (plus a few others) reasons and closed their doors 2 years ago. Fortunately they recognized their mistakes and regrouped. and now they are back as a cutting edge technology studio, staying ahead with all the current trends, and utilizing all resources that were right at their finger tips. I'm happy to back working with them again! :-)
you can shoot the same picture with any device or old camera to get a great shot its how you planned to take the shot so you dont have to move with the times
The main point you really highlighted well was about being lazy, so many people today are just lazy, they expect success to come with very little effort, it's all about mentality, motivation, desire, crafting, time, putting yourself about, and I don't just mean in your line of work I mean all in types of work, very few these days want to put in the leg work, sweat and tears it takes to do well.
If everyone is doing the same then nothing changes. If you are working hard but doing wrong stuff you are not getting anywhere. Just doing something is not going to help. You need to put your time and energy to do right things.
I'd like to add a reason 1.1: I am too afraid to ask around. I just lurk around instead of asking people. Don't be afraid of getting a no. Some day somebody is going to say yes.
Great video, you are right on as to why certain people will never make it in the photography business. So I have a question have you ever done a poll to see how many of your current subscribers are watching your channel to learn the business aspect of the photography world and how many like myself are in it just as a hobby, one of the reasons I watch your channel is your passion for photography, and your passion shows in your work and of course your show is hilarious. I'm retired and have no desire to start a photography business, but none the less I enjoy your show and many others here on youtube, it is great learning new ways to do things, watching all the different channels have gotten me to explore other aspects of photography, and what I mean by that is all I was interested in before was strictly landscape photography, but now I am doing some macro, portrait, birding and wildlife and I am constantly trying other things. So thanks for having a great show.
That's exactly what I'd want to do, but some colleges like Art Center of Pasadena have their curriculum split in two, your choice in major, then marketing strategies and business as the other half. So I think that'd work perfectly
llet me share m thoughts on what he said one point 1. you HAVE to go out of your house to show others what you do. my first job came 2 months ago when i was at the beach with my drone to film ( i have experience already) people came over and where highly interested and asked if i can come over to film there house as they want to sell it. it might be 1 job, but its a reference for you!
Jared, when you said this two years ago is what you just said recently (this video is old) good to see you’re consistent with your values. Keep evolving as a photographer or you will fail. 👌🏽
The more photographs we see, The more ways we find to better express what we feel via photographing. so see more,, shoot more. & learn a little of studio lighting,, that will help.
Thank god you mentioned the video side of things. I'm sick to death of photographers saying "Oh I don't shoot video", learn to do it for christ sake! I started video last year and it has opened up so many doors and I now get more video jobs than I do photo jobs, because it's a niche. They put video mode into cameras for a reason, use it!
You are right. I know a daughter that helped her Dad's photo business increase. Because she did all the suggestions you mention. 1. got up and networked 2. started a blog talking about "her wedding day" stories, advice and suggestions. 4. got lean and only bought what was needed not what was wanted. 5. despite the competition, they increased their business by 30% within a few months. Fortunately her Dad was a photo geek. So keeping up with tech was never an issue. That's why number 4 was so important them. LOL Her Dad is at a better place now. But she continues to move forward and is getting better.
Everyone has the same potential to accomplish things anyone else has. I turned a hobby I had at 12 into a job not needing college at 19 and have been there for almost 20 years.
You're correct, i have a job but i love photography, i am "photographer" from the past 5 years, i live in a island with 20 000 persons living here, the salary is 500€ per month for the major of workers, people give me a positive feedback but no one has 1€ to spend with photography. My passion is photography, but in this island there is not even 1 full time photographer, not even in govern. Sorry for My bad inglish. I love your videos, i wish success for you. From Açores, Portugal
Sure you don't want to relinquish your creative/artistic side. However, if you don't focus on the business side... that usually equals no jobs, doing jobs for free, or low rate jobs. I see photographers and videographers all the time much, much, much, much more talented that me, but no comparison in income, if at all from there work. If you start to get the jobs, the freedom to do what you want creatively will come. I see awesome photographers all the time who have far more name recognition, but they also have a full time job because there income in not commensurate to there talents (or drive). In life across the board you will find the best marketers and business minded people, are far more successful than the most talented. GET ON YOUR GRIND/HUSTLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
+digitalartwerks This is why many of the worlds most successful businesses tend to comprise of the technical genius and the marketing genius. Like Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak. Woz knew how to make great stuff, Jobs knew how to sell it.
+digitalartwerks what do i have to do? i already message through any potential client but no response. I'm really confused what to do other than waiting for people that really need to come to my website. I guess i already pay people to fix my SEO, but i need more marketing strategy to really engage my potential clients. I really am confused. Please help
I’ll telling you, in a couple years, and even some people now, and wanting more film photographers. Digital is getting old and people are realizing they don’t always want it right away.
excellent video and a LOT of this applies to life in general. Kids, if you start feeling sorry for yourself, you are finished. It is a jungle out there. Toughen up inside and smile on the outside and put energy into everything you do, or you will sink.
I agree with everything you said, it's the hard truth. However, I'm assuming this video is only tailored to those who sell their photos. A photographer doesn't necessarily have to sell their photos to be a great photographer. There are those who can create incredible shots, compositions, and exposures. All the while illustrating an incredible story, without selling a photo in their life.
I don't have patience for photographing people, I used to photograph weddings & portraits in the pre-digital era. Yet I have more than enough patience for photographing wildlife. I guess if I have any prospects of making money with photography again I should get back on the horse.
+illdee04 then no one will see your photos because of the first two problems. Even if your not a good communicator you can still become un-lazy ( if you chose ) and movie photos to the right people and places etc. and make it that way. Good photos sale them selves but not if you don't get out and show/display them.
Just one hundred percent the truth, most a really sitting and doing nothing, its the easiest way, but nothing happens. When you are working you're chance is lifting, sure can it be wrong, sure its scary but the best business people they KNOW how it is on the bottom! Every time that you falling down, standing up and going on makes you better and stronger! And that's the only way to do it! Greets from the Netherlands :)
This is THE BEST VIDEO you have made. Hands down. #1. Great job. Perfect execution. I'm not just trying to stroke your lens barrel either. I don't think anything could motivate someone more to work hard.
1) Lazy - 99%2) Evolve (goes back to being lazy)3) Competition (IE: I need to do more work - back to lazy)4) Social Media (50/50 some use it thinking business will come - lazy, and others just post bad things back to number 5)5) Bad photos (back to lazy- learn)I agree. had camera for years and they sit in my action packer. I then had my first son and pickup a new dslr. Then after 3 years ive started to use it and as a hobby/extra income it has been about 8 years to get to that point. I just keep going back to the hobby side and I dont really pull the trigger.
I love this - I'm not a photographer, well sort of, I'm in CGI (virtual photographer) - this is sooooooooooooo relevant. I too know someone (also in CGI) whose work is very basic, but he gets a TON of work, and I put it down to his people skills. He's a 'yes' guy ! Lots of good lessons to be learned.
I just started with fotography but I´m already 30 :( Hope there is still hope to learn it because it makes so much fun to create a foto and then to change it with lightroom to something else just by fooling sround with colours and lights.
please do a video on ways to evolve i am fourteen so i wont really need it in a business but i always like to see new ways to use new technologies or techniques to improve myself
This just all seems pretty obvious, and the same underlying arguments could be applied to any field not just photography. Yes you have to be good at business to make money, no revelation there. Don't underestimate / dilute the power of the artform though. Both aspects are needed to be truely great.
My passion is in photography I would have done another course but for years I haven't gotten any idea my head just keeps hitting "photography" Am an extrovert and am confused
great tips, and reason why ive progressed so far is because i want it so bad. to quit my job to have all the time i need yeah no problem. put myself out there and ask people questions. hand my business cards out like no tomorrow. And enjoying what i do happiness is the key to success.
Nice advice Jared. One more thing to elaborate on this: for someone who's doing personal portraits and likes fine art stuff, which is something you can't sell that well but it's more of something you can evolve into your style and be recognized with, what would the easiest things to start with for getting money out of photography? Tons of people says "Weddings" but that's not something I'd feel comfortable doing because unless you're lucky and get the change to be 2nd for someone who's doing it so if you screw up it's not a big deal it's not like I can go from 0 to 100 and start shooting a wedding without experience and risk to ruin someone's best moment...expecially since I only have a 50mm which isn't ideal and can't afford more now, like a 24-70 or 70-200.What would you say about that? Should someone like me invest in a better lens and still try to do weddings or there's something else that pays that can be done with a 50mm still staying in kind of a comfort zone? I'm not saying I don't wanna risk it because that's a big part of our lives, I'm just saying I don't feel confident in starting with something THAT risky as my first paid job and with this lens.
+AndreCorner Rent. Point that cost in your price. Hide it or itemise it, it's up to you. Charge accordingly though and be totally honest. Say it's your first time shooting a wedding. What you charge less for the actual shooting you can maybe make some back up on the editing side of things if you're more confident in your skills within Lightroom/Photoshop/Aperture/Capture One or whatever it is you use to process your stuff. That's where a lot of my friends who shoot weddings spend most of their time and charge for. If you ever decide to do one then I'd most certainly hire or borrow a 24-70 (great for the reception and before and after the ceremony), a 70-200 (so you can hide at the back during the ceremony without being in the way) and a GOOD strap. I HIGHLY recommend the Black Rapids. They make carrying around a heavy camera and lens far less of a strain than the shitty neck strap your camera comes with. Make sure you get to know the couple a bit before doing it too. You can get a better idea of what they're looking for and they'll better understand what to expect from you too. Most people tend to be sympathetic to newbies but it's also a big day for them so the pressure is always on. It's worth looking at some contract templates too. These will differ from country to country so you're best digging into that yourself. It's just something to think about that you hope you won't ever need but will be happy that you do if you get into that kind of situation. Plus it makes you look more professional and they'll tend to respect you a bit more. Oh, and don't forget spare batteries. Lots and lots of spare batteries lol. And SD cards of course. Most rental places will also hire those out too for next to nothing so abuse that fact. Try using smaller cards too like 16GB then swap them out frequently. The idea being that you aren't putting all your shots onto a single card. If one dies on you at least you have SOME shots, rather than losing ALL of them. It's rare it happens but that fact doesn't really help things if it does.
TalesOfWar thanks for all the tips mate, I haven't thought about borrowing because here in Italy we have less options but I'll check some shops out and see what they can do for that :)
+AndreCorner very good point but IMO you should book the first wedding then put the funds of the wedding(paid on the day or before hand) and put that money towards the lens rentals and as you do this two or three times the remainder of the money made should well and truly be enough o buy the gear outright. ps you could email a few photographers in the area asking to assist. some often pay you for your time and I've found it to be very helpful to do this because when you build relationships it will mean they will be more likely to pass on a wedding they can't cover themselves :)
My Journey To Become A Full Time Photographer that's actually a really nice tip! I'm in the process to changing my camera as I said from Canon to a Nikon D750 probably with the Sigma 50 so I'll take some time to learn since I'll go from a old pro DLSR with few functions to one which has more than my computer, but after that weddings are something I'd love to try and this idea about getting the work fellow photographers can't cover is really good so thank you :)
anytime friend! In my area we have a closed FB group where we pass jobs around if people are double booked and stuff. but yeah i second shot with this amazing wedding photographer 'kristina childs' and anyways she's passed on clients to me a few times
You’re awesome brother! Thank you so much for your channel and videos!!! So much amazing and useful info! Love this video! So true! I’ve seen it happen to other photographers one to many times. They simply refuse to do more than they know and just stay in the same place and complain all the time.
True. You can’t just open a website or fb page and assume that customers are going to flock to you. You have to work to get yourself out there, network, try to have your reputation spread through word of mouth etc. Even shadowing an established photographer and using them as a mentor is a good idea if they will agree to do that for you. And you are right about posting interesting, original content that people want so you can “hook” them into being interested in you and your work.
Your honesty is a precious thing, I love it. Oh, by the way, you're a great teacher/educator. I don't have to say it because you already know. Your Photos are spectacular.
I can't say I agree or don't, I'm only an armature, which is why I'm asking you, Jared. How does someone still in there junior year start off in the business? Should I be worrying about selling my photography at all? And if so should I be looking out to prevent the things you mentioned in this video?
+ThatKid Minor just keep on getting better, learn, shoot shoot shoot evolve and it can happen. It does or may take time but keep learning. Make yourself indispensable.
"Don't be lazy" is pretty much the number 1 advice for every aspect of life.
IF YOU DON'T MAKE IT AS PHOTOGRAPHER you can always make video tutorials and teach photography on youtube
he's pretty successful. just stop being whiny and protecting yourself from the truth
alex what truth
The pro's I know don't make videos on CZcams lol , they are to busy
lol
Allen A seriously yea I don’t know anyone who has to the to do this, especially the successful ones.
i think you missed one important reason , which is the love of artistry ....
if you appreciate art and have a passion for creating art that will boost your chances for being more successful !
FlowtasticTV What the fuck you doing on this channel my G 😂.
I think there is a fear for some people of being rejected and me personally as an amateur I would need to get over it in order to do this as a business.
joke's on all of you: I plan on keeping photography as a hobby forever, software development pays better too :D
I'm not a photographer, but I always love to hear your thoughts on business. It's the main reason I check out your channel. :) As an independent artist, who struggles with the 'business' side of the profession, I really appreciate your perspective. Thanks for another thought provoking video.
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He looks like the guy u see at the wedding who didn't get invited and all he says is "that's what she said"
he who?
Ya but when he opens his mouth you realise he's a smart, self-motivated successful dude- dude. He would be the one making money taking killer pics at a wedding :)
@@froknowsphoto You him!
Jared Polin #donttalksmackaboutthefro
I work as a full time cook in a busy restaurant 5 days a week / 10 hrs a day. All or most of my spare time is spent editing / cold calling clients / and shooting. I don't have a life. I'm tired all the time. I've never been happier - Passion and dedication show through your work...put your head down and give'er.
How did ur photography bussines ended ?
Yeah how is your photo business going
Same, update pls
Yo? Hows it going?
@@alexanderstyrlander7991 wow, its 5 year old me! I'm good! Hard work pays off, I have retainer clients and have a good steady revenue of income. Its not an easy road but you can do it if you want it badly.
Jab, Jab, Jab, Right Hook
+Anto Vega well I didn't have a hook on this one lol.
alright now gary...
+Jared Polin it's a book by
Gary Vaynerchuk. pretty good book.
+Anto Vega i need to buy it. I've been wanting to read it
+Anto Vega yess gary veeee is the man! But yes jabs really do work!:)
I love the "dont push" and the "aren't good enough" advice. People migrate away from pushy people. I do it. Everyone does it. Sell yourself, but dont annoy. And yeah, dont ask your mom if she loves your photos. She will always say yes. Ask strangers. If they think they are poorly shot, you have work to do. Anything I've done in my life Ive asked people to be honest with me because THATS more helpful than making me feel better and telling me I'm amazing.
+The Post Color Blog (Dave's Tuts) :D Not always :D My mom hates most of my work, but I gave hundreds and hundreds of clients who love :D (I am pro photographer for 6 years now)
ah, interesting!! :)
Ask strangers most cant tell the difference between a photo taken with film , from digital .
I feel like this is not just for a photographer. But this is real and he is right.
Great video. Motivation for me!
+TheCanonGamer (Infa-Red5) thanks
+Jared Polin This is the problem with college .Never up to date teaching jpeg over raw , is crazy.
Kyle Medina
True ,but Students don't learn how to use raw to improve their photos.
+Alex Wroblewski I don't know what school would possibly do that. I went to a liberal arts school for photography and learned everything crucial I needed to know about shooting, processing and printing and of COURSE we had to shoot in RAW. The real issue? They didn't teach a single things to us about business!
+Kyle Medina I'm not arguing that fact, and I actually read this statement the wrong way "students don't learn how to use raw to improve their photos". I thought he was trying to say that schools teach how to shoot in JPEG. Either way; you're right. It makes no difference.
It's crazy because these principles apply to anyone marketing themselves or their small business! Great insight and video, Jared!
+Brian Kirstein exactly, it's not just photography. I think tip number 4 still crushes.
+Jared Polin that's exactly right. People don't want to hear your prices or your big special. . They want to see your work and what you bring to the table!
+Brian Kirstein Yep and the fact that it needs to be pointed it out highlights one of the problems many people trying to make it as a photographer have. They don't see themselves as first and foremost as a small business owner.
Following my mother's lead as a journalist writing news and taking pictures for the area newspapers I thought I could get set up as a photographer but after two disasters taking pictures at weddings (i.e.-wrong shutter speeds while using a flash) I opted for a career on the railroad.
You can always fall back on being a CZcams photographer!
I've no desire to become a professional photographer and for me photography. and art in general, is about more than being a means of making you wealthy. What you didn't add to your list was the most basic question, 'why do I want to take photographs?' Clearly you're all about making money and that's fine, but your 'reasons why you won't make it as a photographer' video should be titled 'why you wont make it financially as a paid professional photographer?'
+Nicholas Fox Every artist would like the opportunity to share their gift and art with others and make money off of it to help support their work. He is just trying to show people how to do it efficiently. And for some people it's not their calling to make money off of it.
+Mark Kurowski Wrong.
As an artist myself who does make some money off it, I much prefer to sell my work to someone who will enjoy the artwork, rather than just for my own financial gain.
I have also turned down many commissions because I didn't think the photograph would work as a drawing.
Not everyone is out for every penny they can squeeze out of people.
Like the many CZcamsrs who choose to advertise on there videos for financial gain.
Really, they aren't doing it to be helpful, they're doing it to make money.
Money shouldn't be the only motive, but its still rewarding to see your hard work pay off.
For me, people simply enjoying my artwork is extremely rewarding... But I'd never exploit that for anyone, some people do still have morals on this Earth, we aren't all hypocrites :)
His ego gets in the way. Boorish, self-obsessed, money grubber.
now do 50 reasons why u will make it in photography :P
just4all1 won't happen. This is the most negative guy on the internet
tsleel escappa OMG how dare you speak of Jared Polin in such a manner!
This is the most honest guy on the internet!!!
I'm still shooting 35mm film and soon 6x6. I guess I must be doing it wrong.
+FlameSnipe No, your an artist.
+renderuthis haha shooting film already makes me a little bit pretentious already but not so pretentious that I would go around calling myself an artist.
***** I would argue that it is not. I do not claim to be a master of light, nor composition. I'll call my work art when people start telling me about the meaning they attribute to it or the story they think my photographs tell.
+FlameSnipe Most of my friends shooting weddings, shoot 645 film (100%), and they are doing fine ! Travelling a lot too !
+AmbiencePT That's awesome! Also to add to my original comment I ended up getting a pentax 67 with the 55mm, 105mm and 200mm lenses so I can shoot 6x7 film. I might bring it to the wedding I booked for next summer.
My plan is to mix photography and art. I'm recently started to copy one of my photos via colored pencil. I've realized that it's going to be hard to make money off the bat doing nature photography so I'm going to use my art skills to help get me started and start selling my art first. I've already sold art in the past but never made much money do to my laziness. Now that a have a real job(doing dishes) it has given me the motivation I need to pursue my passion.
Haaaah. Great! You can replace "Photographer" with almost anything that comes to your mind!
Thank you Jared!
Im only 15 and already have gotten so much work for a tiny island in Hawaii... Im working so hard and am learning so much from you!!! Thank you so much for all the tips!!!!
I often do not agree with many of the comments on these videos but appreciate that they are being made. This one however is precisely right, but not just for photographers. Being a good photographer is only a small part of having a successful business in photography, the same way being a good chef is a small part of running a successful restaurant. The business of photography is business, promotion, communications, management, creative in solving business problems such as that example of "I am in a small town", by turning that into an advantage instead of simply an excuse. Knowing the market is part of your job....not just what you assume it is but precisely who are the users of photo services, talk to 500 of them see what their needs are and become a solution for them. Small business, even mid size business is usually poor in market research because they think they have no time for that but it is foolish to make any decision about the business, equipment, training, promotion without knowing the real status of the market is.
I often give talks to young business person club meetings or seminars and I am always so surprised how little understanding of the business side of their chosen field the audience have. Photographers are no different
All true for more than just photography! I'm a web developer building photography and video production into all my work. One feeds the other. Build on what your good at and expand your services and talents. Never stop marketing yourself!!!
#2 depends I feel. I know some very successful photographers who do not shoot video. They are only stills photographers and they make a decent living only shooting stills. I think the more important message here (and maybe this is what you meant) is stay up to date with what is in style and what people like. For example, if doing duo-tones was popular but no longer is, then maybe stop doing duo-tones or find out what is popular now and try to work on that. I don't think you have to shoot video to be successful as a photographer. it may help your portfolio but I don't think it's a necessity.
Thanks, Jared! I guess I am going to sell all of my camera equipment. Oh wait, I really don’t feel like taking the time to post it online. Maybe I can get one of my friends or family to buy it, then I’ll be able to go and buy a new recliner.😊
Yup, I used to make excuses, and being from Philly hasn't made it any easier, but now I am my own boss, I run my own video company. I get paid great, I travel, I take care of my family, I name my price and I'm only 27 yrs old! Being a director/videographer is the best thing that have ever happened to me! Jared I agree with everything u said!!
Well said Jared. One other thing you left out was being patient. I'd say being patient is the biggest step of them all because it ties in with the other five things you said in this video.
Many would find this discouraging but for me its like this is the truth and you just got to go out there and not be scared. I have to admit when I first read the title I thought "Oh man" but like everything you got to give it a shot and look, nothing like I initially thought. Thank man, for some it will not work for them but it definitely it a home run for me.
"Chief just chewed my ass out! You see I don't have any bit of it left, don't you?" - Dude that's a quote from some old movie about a cop from Beverly Hills, but I want to tell you thank you for that ass whooping. It seems like it was done out of sincere kindness. Gracias, Sir. Sometimes a good and honest dose of truth is just what we all need to hear. Respect!
Owning a business is soooo much more than what most people think it is. You're spot on Fro! Business takes heart and a stomach of steel.
You are spot on! I have been in business since 1985 and I, like you (you are much, much younger though) have heard them all, the favourite two I get are "its alright for you" and "I would love to do what you do but I have a mortgage, family etc". Excuses, Excuses, Excuses. Good stuff.
The fro just laid it down. Subscriber earned my friend.
I agree! 5% is taking pictures, rest it marketing and social skills. Not many are willing to do that, so for not lazy there is actually little competition.
Composition is number 1. Very true, my dad owned a commercial studio in Virginia in the 1950’s. He was a combat photographer, and cinematographer? He offered photography and 16/35mm. He used to say work won’t look for you, so get out and look for it.
You know I read the title and got pissed off but watched the video and it motivated me to keep
Pushing. You left off #6 sir. I'm the one whose afraid of rejection so I do not even sale my self. Thanks for the video and all that you do to make us successful!
Right on Jared, I worked for a studio that didn't follow this simple 5 (plus a few others) reasons and closed their doors 2 years ago. Fortunately they recognized their mistakes and regrouped. and now they are back as a cutting edge technology studio, staying ahead with all the current trends, and utilizing all resources that were right at their finger tips. I'm happy to back working with them again! :-)
you can shoot the same picture with any device or old camera to get a great shot its how you planned to take the shot so you dont have to move with the times
The main point you really highlighted well was about being lazy, so many people today are just lazy, they expect success to come with very little effort, it's all about mentality, motivation, desire, crafting, time, putting yourself about, and I don't just mean in your line of work I mean all in types of work, very few these days want to put in the leg work, sweat and tears it takes to do well.
If everyone is doing the same then nothing changes. If you are working hard but doing wrong stuff you are not getting anywhere. Just doing something is not going to help. You need to put your time and energy to do right things.
Coming from a long time subscriber, I really appreciate you not running ads on your videos.
I was scared to watch this video. Now I'm studying up on the basics again. Shit I just learned the rule of 3rds 2 days ago.
I'd like to add a reason 1.1: I am too afraid to ask around. I just lurk around instead of asking people. Don't be afraid of getting a no. Some day somebody is going to say yes.
+Carl Hult I can defiantly relate!
Great video, you are right on as to why certain people will never make it in the photography business.
So I have a question have you ever done a poll to see how many of your current subscribers are watching your channel to learn the business aspect of the photography world and how many like myself are in it just as a hobby, one of the reasons I watch your channel is your passion for photography, and your passion shows in your work and of course your show is hilarious.
I'm retired and have no desire to start a photography business, but none the less I enjoy your show and many others here on youtube, it is great learning new ways to do things, watching all the different channels have gotten me to explore other aspects of photography, and what I mean by that is all I was interested in before was strictly landscape photography, but now I am doing some macro, portrait, birding and wildlife and I am constantly trying other things. So thanks for having a great show.
As a senior that is going into college and majoring in photography, this is scary and useful. Thanks @JaredPolin
+DslrSkateFilms don't just focus on photo focus on video, editing, marketing branding so on so forth.
minor in photo but major in business
That's exactly what I'd want to do, but some colleges like Art Center of Pasadena have their curriculum split in two, your choice in major, then marketing strategies and business as the other half. So I think that'd work perfectly
Jared Polin Thanks Jared!
a good kick for me as the coming winter is making me pile up excuses. thank you Fro.
llet me share m thoughts on what he said one point 1. you HAVE to go out of your house to show others what you do. my first job came 2 months ago when i was at the beach with my drone to film ( i have experience already) people came over and where highly interested and asked if i can come over to film there house as they want to sell it. it might be 1 job, but its a reference for you!
Outstanding Jared. Even more outstanding than usual. On point and succinct. Talent doesn't make up for simple laziness. Well done sir.
I'm not professional and don't plan to. But this was more motivational than Shia Laboeuf. I like how honest you are with it.
honestly this is what a lot of people need to hear, who are trying to make it in the photography business. Well said Jared.
thanks for this video. I m starting my photography journey by jumping from point and shoot to dslr and this video will remind me not to be lazy..
Jared, when you said this two years ago is what you just said recently (this video is old) good to see you’re consistent with your values. Keep evolving as a photographer or you will fail. 👌🏽
The more photographs we see, The more ways we find to better express what we feel via photographing.
so see more,, shoot more. & learn a little of studio lighting,, that will help.
This truly is one of those videos where it’s not something you want, but something you need to hear.
I agree with Jared. No one wants to get their hands dirty anymore. I hear the same stories in the movie biz. Again, I agree; LAZY.
Thank god you mentioned the video side of things. I'm sick to death of photographers saying "Oh I don't shoot video", learn to do it for christ sake! I started video last year and it has opened up so many doors and I now get more video jobs than I do photo jobs, because it's a niche. They put video mode into cameras for a reason, use it!
+Charles Green I couldn't agree more video is just another creative outlet that is very similar to photography yet the storytelling aspect is the same
You are right. I know a daughter that helped her Dad's photo business increase. Because she did all the suggestions you mention. 1. got up and networked 2. started a blog talking about "her wedding day" stories, advice and suggestions. 4. got lean and only bought what was needed not what was wanted. 5. despite the competition, they increased their business by 30% within a few months. Fortunately her Dad was a photo geek. So keeping up with tech was never an issue. That's why number 4 was so important them. LOL
Her Dad is at a better place now. But she continues to move forward and is getting better.
Thank you for being real. Thank you for being honest.
"5% shooting rest business".... Hats off for being so honest... Great Video👍
Appreciate the honest discussion. I guess in the end all people can do is fail and learn from their mistakes or just give up
Everyone has the same potential to accomplish things anyone else has. I turned a hobby I had at 12 into a job not needing college at 19 and have been there for almost 20 years.
You're correct, i have a job but i love photography, i am "photographer" from the past 5 years, i live in a island with 20 000 persons living here, the salary is 500€ per month for the major of workers, people give me a positive feedback but no one has 1€ to spend with photography.
My passion is photography, but in this island there is not even 1 full time photographer, not even in govern.
Sorry for My bad inglish.
I love your videos, i wish success for you.
From Açores, Portugal
You are right, I followed your advice and now I see good results , saw our video many times and was motivational as well.... tnx!
fantastic motivation for all us shutter bugs. get out there and get to work!
Sure you don't want to relinquish your creative/artistic side. However, if you don't focus on the business side... that usually equals no jobs, doing jobs for free, or low rate jobs. I see photographers and videographers all the time much, much, much, much more talented that me, but no comparison in income, if at all from there work.
If you start to get the jobs, the freedom to do what you want creatively will come.
I see awesome photographers all the time who have far more name recognition, but they also have a full time job because there income in not commensurate to there talents (or drive).
In life across the board you will find the best marketers and business minded people, are far more successful than the most talented.
GET ON YOUR GRIND/HUSTLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
+digitalartwerks This is why many of the worlds most successful businesses tend to comprise of the technical genius and the marketing genius. Like Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak. Woz knew how to make great stuff, Jobs knew how to sell it.
+digitalartwerks what do i have to do? i already message through any potential client but no response. I'm really confused what to do other than waiting for people that really need to come to my website. I guess i already pay people to fix my SEO, but i need more marketing strategy to really engage my potential clients. I really am confused. Please help
I’ll telling you, in a couple years, and even some people now, and wanting more film photographers. Digital is getting old and people are realizing they don’t always want it right away.
i don't want to make money taking photos but this is so on point for the people that do.
Dropping the bomb with #5
Love the evolving with the times part. Yeahhhh
I make my living as a wedding photographer !
You are so right! Thank you for this video.
Greetings from Vienna , Austria
Wasn't sure I was going to like this video when I first saw it but then I watched it...great real talk video.
The way that this hurts because it's the truth. Got some great tips and motivation from this!!
excellent video and a LOT of this applies to life in general. Kids, if you start feeling sorry for yourself, you are finished. It is a jungle out there. Toughen up inside and smile on the outside and put energy into everything you do, or you will sink.
I always think of david bailey, he did a lot of work with the olympus om 10 (film) subject, lighting.
I agree with everything you said, it's the hard truth. However, I'm assuming this video is only tailored to those who sell their photos. A photographer doesn't necessarily have to sell their photos to be a great photographer. There are those who can create incredible shots, compositions, and exposures. All the while illustrating an incredible story, without selling a photo in their life.
Excellent! Excellent! Excellent! ... Straight up brother... It's all about the relationships...Strangely, quality can vary.
I don't have patience for photographing people, I used to photograph weddings & portraits in the pre-digital era. Yet I have more than enough patience for photographing wildlife. I guess if I have any prospects of making money with photography again I should get back on the horse.
What if i dont communicate well and lazy but take the greatest photos ever!
+illdee04 then no one will see your photos because of the first two problems. Even if your not a good communicator you can still become un-lazy ( if you chose ) and movie photos to the right people and places etc. and make it that way. Good photos sale them selves but not if you don't get out and show/display them.
Don't be lazy. Do shit.
Probably the best advice for photogs.
Much of the job is just constantly being active and never sitting around waiting.
Do you have a video on what jobs to find on photography?
Just one hundred percent the truth, most a really sitting and doing nothing, its the easiest way, but nothing happens. When you are working you're chance is lifting, sure can it be wrong, sure its scary but the best business people they KNOW how it is on the bottom! Every time that you falling down, standing up and going on makes you better and stronger!
And that's the only way to do it!
Greets from the Netherlands :)
Love this guy!! As real and as RAW as they come.
This is THE BEST VIDEO you have made. Hands down. #1. Great job. Perfect execution. I'm not just trying to stroke your lens barrel either. I don't think anything could motivate someone more to work hard.
1) Lazy - 99%2) Evolve (goes back to being lazy)3) Competition (IE: I need to do more work - back to lazy)4) Social Media (50/50 some use it thinking business will come - lazy, and others just post bad things back to number 5)5) Bad photos (back to lazy- learn)I agree. had camera for years and they sit in my action packer. I then had my first son and pickup a new dslr. Then after 3 years ive started to use it and as a hobby/extra income it has been about 8 years to get to that point. I just keep going back to the hobby side and I dont really pull the trigger.
I love this - I'm not a photographer, well sort of, I'm in CGI (virtual photographer) - this is sooooooooooooo relevant.
I too know someone (also in CGI) whose work is very basic, but he gets a TON of work, and I put it down to his people skills. He's a 'yes' guy !
Lots of good lessons to be learned.
Great Video! Might as well be 5 things to change to make it as a photographer! Thank you for the resource!
I just started with fotography but I´m already 30 :(
Hope there is still hope to learn it because it makes so much fun to create a foto and then to change it with lightroom to something else just by fooling sround with colours and lights.
please do a video on ways to evolve i am fourteen so i wont really need it in a business but i always like to see new ways to use new technologies or techniques to improve myself
WHY IS THIS GUY SOOOO REAL?? JESUS, I AM GETTING MY LIFE. Thanks for the awesome ideas and the kick in the butt!
Thanks for the advice in 13 and really want to be a photographer and I want to know where to start
This just all seems pretty obvious, and the same underlying arguments could be applied to any field not just photography. Yes you have to be good at business to make money, no revelation there. Don't underestimate / dilute the power of the artform though. Both aspects are needed to be truely great.
My passion is in photography
I would have done another course but for years I haven't gotten any idea my head just keeps hitting "photography"
Am an extrovert and am confused
great tips, and reason why ive progressed so far is because i want it so bad. to quit my job to have all the time i need yeah no problem. put myself out there and ask people questions. hand my business cards out like no tomorrow. And enjoying what i do happiness is the key to success.
Nice advice Jared. One more thing to elaborate on this: for someone who's doing personal portraits and likes fine art stuff, which is something you can't sell that well but it's more of something you can evolve into your style and be recognized with, what would the easiest things to start with for getting money out of photography?
Tons of people says "Weddings" but that's not something I'd feel comfortable doing because unless you're lucky and get the change to be 2nd for someone who's doing it so if you screw up it's not a big deal it's not like I can go from 0 to 100 and start shooting a wedding without experience and risk to ruin someone's best moment...expecially since I only have a 50mm which isn't ideal and can't afford more now, like a 24-70 or 70-200.What would you say about that? Should someone like me invest in a better lens and still try to do weddings or there's something else that pays that can be done with a 50mm still staying in kind of a comfort zone? I'm not saying I don't wanna risk it because that's a big part of our lives, I'm just saying I don't feel confident in starting with something THAT risky as my first paid job and with this lens.
+AndreCorner Rent. Point that cost in your price. Hide it or itemise it, it's up to you. Charge accordingly though and be totally honest. Say it's your first time shooting a wedding. What you charge less for the actual shooting you can maybe make some back up on the editing side of things if you're more confident in your skills within Lightroom/Photoshop/Aperture/Capture One or whatever it is you use to process your stuff. That's where a lot of my friends who shoot weddings spend most of their time and charge for. If you ever decide to do one then I'd most certainly hire or borrow a 24-70 (great for the reception and before and after the ceremony), a 70-200 (so you can hide at the back during the ceremony without being in the way) and a GOOD strap. I HIGHLY recommend the Black Rapids. They make carrying around a heavy camera and lens far less of a strain than the shitty neck strap your camera comes with.
Make sure you get to know the couple a bit before doing it too. You can get a better idea of what they're looking for and they'll better understand what to expect from you too. Most people tend to be sympathetic to newbies but it's also a big day for them so the pressure is always on. It's worth looking at some contract templates too. These will differ from country to country so you're best digging into that yourself. It's just something to think about that you hope you won't ever need but will be happy that you do if you get into that kind of situation. Plus it makes you look more professional and they'll tend to respect you a bit more.
Oh, and don't forget spare batteries. Lots and lots of spare batteries lol. And SD cards of course. Most rental places will also hire those out too for next to nothing so abuse that fact. Try using smaller cards too like 16GB then swap them out frequently. The idea being that you aren't putting all your shots onto a single card. If one dies on you at least you have SOME shots, rather than losing ALL of them. It's rare it happens but that fact doesn't really help things if it does.
TalesOfWar thanks for all the tips mate, I haven't thought about borrowing because here in Italy we have less options but I'll check some shops out and see what they can do for that :)
+AndreCorner very good point but IMO you should book the first wedding then put the funds of the wedding(paid on the day or before hand) and put that money towards the lens rentals and as you do this two or three times the remainder of the money made should well and truly be enough o buy the gear outright. ps you could email a few photographers in the area asking to assist. some often pay you for your time and I've found it to be very helpful to do this because when you build relationships it will mean they will be more likely to pass on a wedding they can't cover themselves :)
My Journey To Become A Full Time Photographer that's actually a really nice tip! I'm in the process to changing my camera as I said from Canon to a Nikon D750 probably with the Sigma 50 so I'll take some time to learn since I'll go from a old pro DLSR with few functions to one which has more than my computer, but after that weddings are something I'd love to try and this idea about getting the work fellow photographers can't cover is really good so thank you :)
anytime friend! In my area we have a closed FB group where we pass jobs around if people are double booked and stuff. but yeah i second shot with this amazing wedding photographer 'kristina childs' and anyways she's passed on clients to me a few times
Tip #6: Join the military as a Combat Documentation Specialist. Free cameras, Free travel, and paycheck every 2 weeks, Best job I ever had.
Kevin Roy do you still do it? And how dangerous was it?
Kevin Roy tell me more
Dude. Amen...on all levels. This works for EVERYTHING...not just photography. Love your videos. Keep up the excellent work.
Like your video.. I used film years ago.. Can you load them on your computer or only prints
You’re awesome brother! Thank you so much for your channel and videos!!! So much amazing and useful info! Love this video! So true! I’ve seen it happen to other photographers one to many times. They simply refuse to do more than they know and just stay in the same place and complain all the time.
True. You can’t just open a website or fb page and assume that customers are going to flock to you. You have to work to get yourself out there, network, try to have your reputation spread through word of mouth etc. Even shadowing an established photographer and using them as a mentor is a good idea if they will agree to do that for you. And you are right about posting interesting, original content that people want so you can “hook” them into being interested in you and your work.
Not often i agree with everything you say, but this time all points are valid. Nice one Jared :)
Your honesty is a precious thing, I love it. Oh, by the way, you're a great teacher/educator. I don't have to say it because you already know. Your Photos are spectacular.
I can't say I agree or don't, I'm only an armature, which is why I'm asking you, Jared. How does someone still in there junior year start off in the business? Should I be worrying about selling my photography at all? And if so should I be looking out to prevent the things you mentioned in this video?
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+ThatKid Minor just keep on getting better, learn, shoot shoot shoot evolve and it can happen. It does or may take time but keep learning. Make yourself indispensable.
+Jared Polin thank you. I appreciate the time
Its funny I found you because of your video in Allen's camera which I had recently discovered when I moved nearby. So yeah Number 4 is pretty vital :)