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things I learned from torch:
1 - if your piece is hanging, push a pawn
2 - trade when you are down material
3 - Make multiple moves with the same piece
4 - sacrifice the rook
5 - maneuver the dark square bishop to a dark square
Oh too funny, however y’all can’t hold a “candle” to torch! Jaja
6 - move your king to defend a pawn from your own rook
7 - reroute the knight 420 times
@@tylerdurden-ch8ip 8. Never retreat or protect your pieces
😂😂😂😂
Waiting for Gotham to say "When you do it, it's stupid. When Torch does it, it's brilliant. It knows what it's doing "
Because you dont know what your doing, when your hanging pieces, but the top engines absolutely know what their doing, when their hanging their pieces.
Me who had gotten 10+ brilliant moves
@@jout738its basicly what he said?
@@jout738thank you, like we wouldn't know
@@jout738 Your your worst enemy and your your best friend.
Their their worst enemy and their their best friend.
17:26 you know it’s crazy when the bots start defending their pawns from their own rook.
I was looking for this comment
🤣🤣🤣
😂😂😂
ChatGPT has entered the chat
Trust no one, right?!
If a normal person blunders, it's a blunder
If a grandmaster blunders, it's a sacrifice
If a bot blunders, it's a brilliant move
it's crazy how torch find the idea on 22:54 which is putting the darkquared bishop to a dark square
I was about to comment the same lmao
Amazing idea from torch!
Stockfish did better when it came up with the idea to place the light square bishop on a dark square.
i was gonna coment the same
Not to mention finding the top computer move at 17:21
After watching levy for 2 years, I can proudly admit that i started at 100 elo and i am now 100 elo. I would like to thank levy for all his help.
20:18 is this an inaccuracy or a great move
*1000 elo
*10000 elo
Good progress dude. Keep the good work up, when one day you will reach the grandmaster rank after working hard enough in chess.
@@Bringmehere it is a brilliant move accorording to my brain.
i hope it doesn't beat stockfish. just honestly. because i think it would be a shame for open-source to fall to paywalls and closed doors.
same
Most based take I’ve heard in so long
You sir, just took the words out of my mouth.
Yep. This is not an exciting announcement at all
stockfish can always get better
Plot twist: Mittens was just undercover Torch in a testing phase.
This could ACTUALLY be a thing
@@roykin0929 No, Mittens was Komodo
Mittens is Komodo 13 with a positional personality
4:02 Gotham: I don't remember because I'm not psychopath.
Magnus: 🗿
Hikaru:
17:21 love how Levy says “it plays the top computer move” in a video about chess computers kkkkkkk
defending its pawn from its own rook
thought the same, lol
Top computer move is that of stockfish
@@valiantwarrior1988yeah, but I imagine most moves it played are identical to what stockfish would do
20:13 for anybody wondering, that !? symbol is actually called an "interesting move" and isn't shown on game review.
it means "interesting, but perhaps not the best move", "move deserving attention", "enterprising move" and "risky move"
How do you get one of these purple !? symbols?
I was wondering the same thing
@@d1kgaws12
when you do an interesting move but not the best
That means that Stockfish is confused
So it’s more like the cross between a brilliant move and a blunder right like a chance move? If you accept or miss to capture then you win but if the intention was disrupted and your opponent does the opposite then it’s a blunder unless it is already a winning position but for a quick checkmate.
I can't believe Torch kept finding the top computer move. What are the odds?
It's almost like it is a computer! Unbelievable!
Guys, I think Torch is cheating. It keeps getting top engine moves. Like a computer does. 🤔
Insanity. Only computers should be able to find the top computer moves.
it's ridiculous how blatantly "Torch" is using an engine to cheat in so many games. the accuracy and review just says it all
I dont even understand half of whats going on but seeing him explain everything so excitedly hypes me up😆
Ya ya just stop blushing
Fr thooo😭😭😭
Bro be like ROOOOK H7😈, i be like what happened 💀
+1
Only 504 likes and 4 comments?lemme change that
As the engines play a pair of games against each other in the same opening, I think it would be much more interesting if you would show the second game aswell to understand if it was easy for an engine to win or if it was a real masterpiece.
Yes. Levy must mention the result of opposite match.
But in the last game, torch managed to draw the position with black against lc0
@@_Insert_UsernameI’m fairly confident Leela wins over Torch
@@agarrikr2996 I agree, cause also recently Leela won a major competition namely the Cup 11 held this year
while stockfish only placed second.
Alphazero: revolutionizes chess with its pawn sacrifices
Torch: "pawns? youre weak"
17:24 king moving up to defend the white pawn from the white rook is truly an amazing defensive move
Video idea: what's the least amount of advantage it would take for levy to beat the best chess bot. Starting with a 0.0 advantage and then slowly increasing the advantage like a .5 or 1 increment. Like if you would like to see it.
I think Hikaru did this once
@@user-jd5zt4of8qwhich video?
@@user-jd5zt4of8q link
@@user-jd5zt4of8q i searched for it, what i found was hikaru vs different levels of stock fish. What I'm proposing is levy vs best bot but levy starts with an advantage
Hikaru did something similar with mittens
I do really love having stockfish analyze the games because I see the question mark or brilliant move and I feel like I'm watching the smart guy in an anime breakdown what the protagonist is doing.
4:41 No wonder Torch is in the shape of a bishop. It burns them all
A chess computer when they gave up a piece, it is a sacrifice, however when I do it is a blunder. 😭😭😭
Levi talking about all this brainy shit gets me nodding along and excited to play some chess! Then my 200 elo ass goes and hangs my queen every other game.
As a bot, i can confirm that Levy is handsome
Edit : 3k ?!?
As a bot i can confirm that u are handsome
Ya ya just stop blushing 😊
@@bandit1642as a boy I can confirm you are gay
@@tanmayjiop😏📸🤨
@@army1057 🤣🤣👍
the could've just forked (as in copy the code of) stockfish, and say "yea, it can beat every bot, but stockfish"
Sounds illegal, wasn't there a similar court case not long ago with Fritz
It is illegal, I am a law student.
@@plate2105chad
@@plate2105real
@@plate2105 Forking an open source project is not illegal lmao
Levy: and now white plays the top computer move me: wait a second
Just watched the whole 25 minute video in 25 seconds, this bot is insane
Gotham chess subscriber speedrun?
It would be very interesting for Levy to read through some of the code for stockfish (or any engine) with someone who can explain the code. I am curious to see a strong player's perspective on how it evaluates positions and makes decisions.
They all use neural networks, or commonly called AI. The decisions are made based on multidimensional matrices that are refined from random values through training.
As a result, I expect there is little chess to be learned in the code. There are some methods to visualise the weights such as showing not only the top move but multiple lines, or heatmaps.
But ultimately neural networks still are very much black boxes, and analysing them largely relies on inspecting the results, not the process itself. The code for a bot that essentially makes random moves would look no different than stockfish.
There is no code in the sense that you can follow any logic.
@@catcatcatcatcatcatcatcatcatca stockfish isn't AI based, it's just a good eval and search functions so there is much chess
But can the bot stare as intensely as Gotham?
Ok, but are we gonna talk about how majestic Levy looks?
He'd be a great bottom
The jewiness is really showing in his beard for sure, definitely a great bottom.
@@aldocort3418 bruh
He looks great eating nuts(I devour those morsels).
We need a levy vs michael storen majesty contest
22:55 brilliant move putting dark square bishop on a dark square, amazing
Bro gothem is literally the most entertaining person because of his goofy jokes😂
He is a true content creator that caters his content to his goofy fanbase and our weird comments 😂
Npc comment
Who?
His goofy jokes tickles my funny bone
16:30 haha! that's exactly what I do in those kinds of positions, I actually learned it from playing stockfish, they can't mate you if their own pawn is blocking them.
“And in this position white plays the top computer move”
Wow, that’s crazy Levy.
As a 70 elo player these games are unimaginable for me
100 minimum elo
Can u even get that low?
@@ghostbaconhair u kidding me
@@Jaskirat01 anything below 100 means ur intentionally trying to lose
60 ELO here. Totally agree.
That chess torch is like a reference to chess olympiad but i could also imagine it Being passed from on GM to another so that each try to beat it.
Or PyTorch, the AI framework used in the bot.
Or for my heart, it’s a Survivor reference
"I don't know why Stockfish is British." 😂😂😂 3:06
Levy: This is madness
Me: This is magnus
17:20 "White plays the top computer move"... yeah, no shit bud. It's a computer.
I recently played against this Torch Chess Bot and at the end of the game it moved its pawns to spell out the words "I'm trapped in this box, HELP ME!" What do you think it could mean?
He probably wanted to draw the game
I’m pretty sure that’s impossible because there isn’t enough pawns
@@charliez5394 really ?
wabts to kiss a female chess player even underrated
Player plays a6, Levy - "Why you stupid?"
Torch plays a6, Levy - "Ah, activating the rook without moving it"
Mittens: "Finally, a worthy opponent, our battle will be legendary"
Chess bots are gonna take over Levy
23:43. Levy's famous line: THE ROOOK! Stare was 10/10 because of the unexpected moves!
17:21 I feel like it shouldn’t be surprising that a computer plays the top computer move lol
"Mmm, Yes, Yes, They are fighting for my leftovers"
Levy and Tortch should alternate moves against other worse bots to see if levy can make torch loose even though he's trying
So about that "a chessbot that is going to be the answer to, hopefully, in the long run, stockfish" part:
Why would you want a proprietary piece of software, developed by a predatory company to win over a community driven, open source engine?
I hope that if torch ever gets good enough, it will only motivate everyone to put it back in it's place again.
22:54 "...put its bishop on a dark square" I mean about 50% of bishops do that
22:54 - "Put its bishop on a dark square."
Last time was 10,000 now 1,000,000?
Levy - I’m a software dev. You’re good. Don’t worry about saying dumb things about programming. I say dumb things about chess all the time.
17:21 A computer playing a top computer move 😂
One suggestion would be to make it clear when the given opening ends and the engines play on their own.
I don't believe for a minute that this Torch is stronger than Leela, let's see how it does in a controlled environment like TCEC before we crown it. This is just marketing.
Agreed
I don't believe for a minute that this Leela is stronger than Torch, let's see how it does in a controlled environment like TCEC before we crown it.
Why not? It’s developed by a very successful company with many veterans in the field. Every time a company with this many resources developed a chess engine it has become number one (Deep Blue and AlphaZero)
Leela played with black pieces
is Leela you're gf?
After watching levy for 2 years, I can proudly admit that i started at 1 000 000 elo and i am now 100 elo. I would like to thank levy for all his help.
"do you know what the idea of pawn to g3 is?" fuck no
Hey man, love your videos - been watching for a few years now - but i was wondering if you could do a video on how much better ‘bots’ are than humans by starting the boys off with fewer pieces, maybe missing a knight, or bishop or both - would the bot (stockfish) win - and further to that same point, how many fewer pieces would it take for a bot to lose - i find the whole bot thing super fascinating!
i believe the reason its called torch is because it is run on python(python has a module for AI called PyTorch)
Sorry for my trashy explanation im not sure how to prperly explaining this.
Torch's playstyle makes me feel like the rooks are worth less than 5. probably 4 and a half or even as low as 4
I know a decent amount(slightly above average) about how the bots are programmed to do what they do but i still always genuinely enjoy your videos about the chess bots and you just make it seem like an action movie every time.
Also stockfish evaluating the other engines games shows just how dominant it is 😂
I hope that this bot is gonna be available for us to play against since it will be useful for me in terms of preparation. Stockfish is fine but I wanna explore the playing style of Torch to hopefully learn something new.
i was 1000 elo, but after watching gotham, im 100 elo. i just want to thank gotham for helping me improve my elo rating.
When u see gothams video at midnight with a bowl of cereal . it feels like the start of something new 😇
Torch is a definition of
"torture" other bots
I do like seeing more top level engines, it makes it more interesting. I want to see more stockfish level engines battle it out. But it sucks that Torch isn’t open source.
Levy is the real chess bot here
Hey Levy (GothamChess)!
You're amazing at chess! Your videos are so fun to watch, and I've learned a lot from you. Your explanations make complicated stuff easy to understand, and your game analysis is awesome! Thanks for inspiring me to play more and get better at chess. Can't wait for your next video!❤
That first game the moves are not in my repertoire sacrifices pieces for positions is my main weakness. I hate losing a pawn I try to defend everything I need to understand the game better and be willing to sacrifice pieces
I need a video of all the blank stares Gotham does in the first few seconds of the videos
Levy may not be a waiter, but he never fails to deliver!
Waiters serve and levy is serving Michelin star stuff out here
we need a pin of shame saying that this is clickbait
Levy: 'In this position the computer plays the top computer move'
To be honest one day we will be 40 year olds and remember we used to watch Gotham. Can't wait for that moment
I'm 47 already, I'll probably be in my 70s when you reminisce about Gotham.
We will still watch GothamChess when we're 40
33 here and watching... ah yes I will remember lol. And I’m almost certain he still will be making chess videos in 7 years. Bet on it. Begs the question... how young are you lol.
@@bvictory5698by the time i get to my 40s gotham will be in his 50s 😂
Levy (GothamChess), your chess videos are the best - they're fun and teach me a lot! Keep up the great work!
Torch "makes a move"
Stockfish: OMG what a great move
Next bot: gotham's ocean eyes
Elo: ladies and gentlemen
Not a software engeneer, but.... Didn't in this very same video Gotham say that the French Defense is basically unplayable at the AI level? And then showed a game Torch won against the current #2 where the #2 plays the French? So... Torch isn't the new #2, I see.
French is definetly playable. Infact most classically trained engines (not NNUE) prefer french over c5, or c6. But I think engines prefer exchange french which kills the fun.
RIP GothamChess, he will be remembered for kissing up to magnus too much.
17:20 Top computer move as if they aren't all computers.
"And in this position, the computer makes the top computer move."
Hi Gotham! I just played a chess game and got my first brilliant move! Can I contact you somehow and ask you to make a video about it? I am 300 ELO so it might be very fun, I absolutely love content you make, especially 200-300 ELO chess. Thank you early.
Today’s stare was simple, but I still felt Gotham sucking my soul 8/10
22:55 when a computer puts the dark square bishop on a dark square?! 🤯
Dragon was doing so well in the second game until torch pushed a pawn under mate threat💀
Levy is so good. Here is an essay why:
Levy talks about chess, chess bots, grandmasters and alot more! He puts alot of effort into his videos to make his viewers comfortable. He explains every thing about the bot or GM at the moment. You should watch him, because he is happy for even 1 like. Thank you for reading this, i appreaciate every view.
This bot is gonna put Magnus to shame
What do you mean? A human does not need to be ashamed to lose to a bot. In case you didn't know, magnus is also a human.
@@saurishjayam5679 no way I didn't know Magnus is real😱😱
Mittens was already like 600 elo above Magnus
we need a torch with stockfish vs hikaru and magnus
Torch got the opponent to block its own attack with a pawn
Todays stare was good very soleless 9/10
To everyone who reads this comment, I wish you good in life.😊
The only torch to always stay on
*mittens: arrive*
torch: i'm outta here
Magnus: look what they need to mimic a fraction of my power
Torch is so insane that not even levy can explain
17:24 “and white plays the top computer move” wow really
Sometimes levy just breezes passed the most unhinged engine moves, and other times he acts like the most natural moves ever are insane. And I think that makes these videos even more entertaining
I remember when Kasparov had a melt down over a move Deep Blue played against him in a game in 1996/97. Can you imagine him playing Torch today, his head would explode. Literally, figuratively, metaphorically and a bunch of other 'lys'.
22:55 ah yes. Putting the dark square bishop on to a dark square. Thanks levi 😅
Hi Gotham I love your videos but wanted to ask will you be doing free tutorials on CZcams like your openning videos ( in your playlist ) , endgames ( also in your playlist) ??
The fact that torch is able to play top engine moves the whole game is incredible!
"How do you prevent your opponent from castling, is to by not letting them castle."
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