Sapient Thoughts #17: Does the Quran refer to geocentrism? | Mohammed Hijab
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- Sapient Thoughts #17: Does the Quran refer to geocentrism? | Mohammed Hijab
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*SUMMARY OF THE VIDEO*
*Geocentrism and the Quran*
Quran ayah being discussed: Surah Zumar - Ayah 5
خَلَقَ ٱلسَّمَـٰوَٰتِ وَٱلْأَرْضَ بِٱلْحَقِّ ۖ يُكَوِّرُ ٱلَّيْلَ عَلَى ٱلنَّهَارِ وَيُكَوِّرُ ٱلنَّهَارَ عَلَى ٱلَّيْلِ ۖ وَسَخَّرَ ٱلشَّمْسَ وَٱلْقَمَرَ ۖ كُلٌّۭ يَجْرِى لِأَجَلٍۢ مُّسَمًّى ۗ أَلَا هُوَ ٱلْعَزِيزُ ٱلْغَفَّـٰرُ
"He created the heavens and the earth for a purpose. He wraps the night around the day, and wraps the day around the night. And He has subjected the sun and the moon, each orbiting for an appointed term. He is truly the Almighty, Most Forgiving.:
Does this indicate the sun orbits around the earth?
- Only way to make this conclusion is to impose the preconceived notion of geocentrism in the Quran
- It would be easy for a clear verse to suggest the sun goes around the earth
- In Surah Shams
- From the anthropocentric perspective, we see the day follow the night and vice versa
- But in reality, the moon doesn't follow the sun
- Sun rotates among axis and is in an orbit as well (takes planets/moons in the solar system as well)
- No hermeneutical acrobatics to come to this conclusion
Quran ayah being mentioned: Surah Anbiya - Ayah 22
وَهُوَ ٱلَّذِى خَلَقَ ٱلَّيْلَ وَٱلنَّهَارَ وَٱلشَّمْسَ وَٱلْقَمَرَ ۖ كُلٌّۭ فِى فَلَكٍۢ يَسْبَحُونَ
"And He is the One Who created the day and the night, the sun and the moon-each travelling in an orbit."
- Again, there's nothing wrong with this from the heliocentric perspective as both the sun and the moon are in an orbit
Quran ayah being mentioned: Surah Baqara - Ayah 252
أَلَمْ تَرَ إِلَى ٱلَّذِى حَآجَّ إِبْرَٰهِـۧمَ فِى رَبِّهِۦٓ أَنْ ءَاتَىٰهُ ٱللَّهُ ٱلْمُلْكَ إِذْ قَالَ إِبْرَٰهِـۧمُ رَبِّىَ ٱلَّذِى يُحْىِۦ وَيُمِيتُ قَالَ أَنَا۠ أُحْىِۦ وَأُمِيتُ ۖ قَالَ إِبْرَٰهِـۧمُ فَإِنَّ ٱللَّهَ يَأْتِى بِٱلشَّمْسِ مِنَ ٱلْمَشْرِقِ فَأْتِ بِهَا مِنَ ٱلْمَغْرِبِ فَبُهِتَ ٱلَّذِى كَفَرَ ۗ وَٱللَّهُ لَا يَهْدِى ٱلْقَوْمَ ٱلظَّـٰلِمِينَ
"Are you ˹O Prophet˺ not aware of the one who argued with Abraham about his Lord because Allah had granted him kingship? ˹Remember˺ when Abraham said, “My Lord is the One Who has power to give life and cause death.” He argued, “I too have the power to give life and cause death.” Abraham challenged ˹him˺, “Allah causes the sun to rise from the east. So make it rise from the west.” And so the disbeliever was dumbstruck. And Allah does not guide the wrongdoing people."
Their Claim: Earth is stationary and the sun goes around the earth
But consider the 17th ayah of Surah Kahf:
وَتَرَى ٱلشَّمْسَ إِذَا طَلَعَت تَّزَٰوَرُ عَن كَهْفِهِمْ ذَاتَ ٱلْيَمِينِ وَإِذَا غَرَبَت تَّقْرِضُهُمْ ذَاتَ ٱلشِّمَالِ وَهُمْ فِى فَجْوَةٍۢ مِّنْهُ ۚ ذَٰلِكَ مِنْ ءَايَـٰتِ ٱللَّهِ ۗ مَن يَهْدِ ٱللَّهُ فَهُوَ ٱلْمُهْتَدِ ۖ وَمَن يُضْلِلْ فَلَن تَجِدَ لَهُۥ وَلِيًّۭا مُّرْشِدًۭا
"And you would have seen the sun, as it rose, inclining away from their cave to the right, and as it set, declining away from them to the left, while they lay in its open space. That is one of the signs of Allah. Whoever Allah guides is truly guided. But whoever He leaves to stray, you will never find for them a guiding mentor."
What is right and left?
- Useful without a point of reference
- Even in the stationary earth model, right and left have no meaning without a _specific_ reference point
- This means it has to be from the anthropocentric perspective (from the perspective of those individuals )
Quran ayah being mentioned: Surah Yaseen - Ayah 40
لَا ٱلشَّمْسُ يَنۢبَغِى لَهَآ أَن تُدْرِكَ ٱلْقَمَرَ وَلَا ٱلَّيْلُ سَابِقُ ٱلنَّهَارِ ۚ وَكُلٌّۭ فِى فَلَكٍۢ يَسْبَحُونَ
"It is not for the sun to catch up with the moon, nor does the night outrun the day. Each is travelling in an orbit of their own."
Linguistically, it can be the case that the moon, the sun, and the earth are all in orbit.
Thus, the Quran is a timeless book with a multilayered perspective. It would make sense for those before us and even in today's time, we don't find it against modern cosmology. Overall, this argument needs to be left in the dust bin (--Mohammad Hijab)
Just wondering if you had seen the recent debate with apostate Prophet on Quran and science?
@@nadirahmed4224 No.
I would like to add two more examples ,first the moon phases and to make clear dhe the only source of light in our solar system is dhe sun.( Sun like a lamp).the second is (new moons). we know from astronomy that the new moon is posible in such a way that the sun is the center of our solar system.the third is the eclipse of the sun.it is posible only if the sun is in the center.we cant feel the motion because we are moving with him.
I don't understand the example of surat Kahf.
Left and right?
@@mariumluqman8855 when left and right is mentioned, it means that it is talking about with respect to people for example , if an atheist talks about sun rising he would most likely say that it rise from right ,now that does not means that he believes that, it simply means that he is talking about what he sees
Brother, geocentrism's problem is not that the sun revolves around the earth because that isn't a problem whatsoever. Geocentrism is an inaccurate name, probably due to the history of how the name came to be. The problem with the so-called geocentric model is claiming planets revolve around the earth in circular orbits not that the sun revolves around the earth. The thing that people don't note that all motion is relative, you can't say "x is moving" without saying relative to what is it moving. If you chose the sun as the frame of reference, then the earth would be revolving around the sun, the planets would be revolving around the sun, but the moon would be revolving still around the earth [in circles]. While if you chose the earth as the frame of reference, then the sun would be revolving around the earth, the moon would be revolving around the earth, but the planets would be revolving around the sun.
Think of it as if you were levitating over the earth and looked around you at the solar system, you'd see the earth being the frame of reference scenario, while if you were levitating over the sun, you'd see the sun being the frame of reference scenario. This isn't some "physics thing;" this is simply a fact. You can't say something is moving and something isn't without saying relative to what(in everyday life, we assume the frame of reference is a point on earth's surface). So really even if the Quran explicitly says the sun revolves around the earth, that is just as accurate as saying the earth revolves around the sun.
No. Even from the point of view of earth the sun is not orbiting the earth. It is the Earth that is spinning on it's own axis.
May Allah increase you in knowledge brother and may he the Almighty bless us all. Indeed his mercy is our only refuge.
Ameen
“May He” and “His Mercy”.
Quran 36: 40, shams 90, Quran 21:23 and many more verses talk about sun and moon orbit in the relation to day and night. It's so clear that Quran is talking about the orbit of sun and moon that create the night and day exactly like geocentric theory. The real orbit of sun is 230million years per one orbit, and it's so clear that when Quran says about sun or it in the relation to day and night Quran doesn't talk about the real sun orbit which takes 230 millions years and the real sun orbit DOESN'T effect the night and day. They refuse to admit the false of Quran in this theory, in fact it's so clear. Let's discuss
@@misaksteve7887 yes and it says that the sun circles the earth and settles in a puddle of mud. There are dozens of errors in the Quran.
Nice to see the implementation of the feedback on jargon and references! Mashallah, love the videos and find them very useful!
Brother Hijab slapping islamophobes left and right. Jazakallah for your efforts brother.
Brother hijab embarrassing himself more like
Say Jazak'Allah Khayr, and not just Jazak'Allah. And capitalize the 'a' in Allah.
@@Shamsi419 Where's the pain?
@@Shamsi419 why you hurt though 😂😂🤦♂️
@@knowledge_lantern You're right my sides hurt laughing so much 🤣🤣🤣
May God almighty bless you Brother Muhammad, please don't ever stop making these enlightening videos
5:39 ... "REALLY?!". 😂
Barak'Allahu Feekum for your efforts.
good to see you again Brother!
Great Video Masha ALLAH. Thank you so much for sharing this knowledge and wisdom!
Brother Hijab is having a field day with these superfluous arguments MashAllah! Really and truly if you have a basic understanding of Arabic these verses would never trouble you. Such arguments show how weak the detractors of Islam are regarding Arabic
Either ways, another good video. May Allah bless brother Hijab ❤️
Basic understanding of Arabic meaning??
These trolls are literally crying in the comments it’s ridiculous
Quran 36: 40, shams 90, Quran 21:23 and many more verses talk about sun and moon orbit in the relation to day and night. It's so clear that Quran is talking about the orbit of sun and moon that create the night and day exactly like geocentric theory. The real orbit of sun is 230million years per one orbit, and it's so clear that when Quran says about sun or it in the relation to day and night Quran doesn't talk about the real sun orbit which takes 230 millions years and the real sun orbit DOESN'T effect the night and day. They refuse to admit the false of Quran in this theory, in fact it's so clear
the quran is true, what is false is the man-made assumption of sun orbiting the galaxy, geocentrism is therefore true
When I was losing my faith in islam, this was one of the issues that bothered me a lot. I did research and reached the conclusion that quran indeed supports geocentric claim. Hijab has put herculean effort to rectify the errors of quran by his own interpretations.
That's wrong, 36:40 doesn't make a relationship between orbit and day and night, it's referring more towards order. If you read the whole passage it's just giving different comparisons regarding how Allah ordered his creation, that the night and day don't overlap suddenly and how each celestial body is in its own path.
Surah As-Shams doesn't even have a 90th verse it's 15 verses long. 21:23 just says "He is not questioned about what he does, but they will be questioned." Honestly where in the world did you get these verses?
@@UziMan-Science-Mathdid Allah stop the earth or the Sun in order to prolong the sunset?
Flat earth is correct, the quran isnt wrong maybe you have been false indocrinated. t@@talhaqureshi2394
Brother hijab thanks so much. I have been arguing this for 3 days with some one. And your vedio explained better than me .
BEAUTIFUL PRESENTATION!
Jazakallahu Khayran Ahsanul Jaza
Jazak Allah khiran
Nice explanation
If the seven heavens are under the throne of Allah already. Than why did prophet Muhammad asked his companion that: "Do you know where the sun goes at sunset?!"..."it goes underneath the throne of Allah and asks for permission to rise up again. And a day will come where it will not be given permission and it will be said to it (sun) that go back where it came from. And that is when the sun will rise from the West".
And in another hadith prophet Muhammad says that: "Do not perform prayers when the sun rises and when it sets. For, the sun rises between the two horns of the devil and sets between the two horns of the devil".
The other variant of the same sahih hadith says that: "Satan goes and stands in front of a sun at the times of sunset and sunrise to imitate God. So that's why don't pray at these times".
The only problem is that the sun is CONSTANTLY "rising and setting" SIMULTANEOUSLY on someone somewhere.
These 2 above mentioned hadiths can only be true on a Geocentric Flat Earth model. And these hadiths suggest that prophet Muhammad did not knew that the earth is spherical with heliocentric model.
Thus the Quranic verse: Until, when he reached the setting of the sun [i.e., the west], he found it [as if] setting in a body of dark water, and he found near it a people. We [i.e., Allah] said, "O Dhul-Qarnayn, either you punish [them] or else adopt among them [a way of] goodness." - Surah 18 Verse 86
WHY would Allah mention here what Dhul-Qarnayn saw? What was so special here? Think? Except that Muhammad believed that the earth was flat when he was making up the Quran.
Fact but they are all ignorant and delusional...
Regarding the Devil. It's talking about the polytheistic cultures throughout who used to worship the sun at times like those, it's said that Satan stands in front of them (front of the sun from their perspective), so that them worshiping the sun is actually just worshipping the Devil. However that even is still on Earth.
Also regarding that first Hadith, whenever Allah is mentioned with some interaction to a celestial body like the sun you have to understand that most of it is figurative, and we know this because it's used like that even in the Quran in 22:18 where it says everything in the universe is in prostration to Allah. Now a tree doesn't bend down and put its branches on the ground towards Mecca does it? A lot of this is mentioned to describe their submissiveness towards Allah as those things were worshipped by people previously, it doesn't describe their physical character.
Masha ALLAH a good explication!
Alhamdulillah nice one
Ma Shaa Allah 👍👍 , jazaak Allahu khairan
He said to the sun: ‘Thou art subservient (to Allah) and so am I. O Allah, stop it for me a little.’ It was stopped for him until Allah granted him victory.” [Muslim]
Yusha a.s said this to the sun and not to the earth...
“The sun has never stopped from setting for any human being except for Yusha on the evening he invaded Jerusalem.” [Ahmad - it was graded authentic by Ibn Khatir, Ibn Hajar, and Al-Albani]
anyone please? this hadith support geocentrism for sure to me.. please help me to explain this one.. my doubt getting bigger
@@yo-ze6in In Quran 13:2
اَللّٰہُ الَّذِیۡ رَفَعَ السَّمٰوٰتِ بِغَیۡرِ عَمَدٍ تَرَوۡنَہَا ثُمَّ اسۡتَوٰی عَلَی الۡعَرۡشِ وَ سَخَّرَ الشَّمۡسَ وَ الۡقَمَرَ ؕ کُلٌّ یَّجۡرِیۡ لِاَجَلٍ مُّسَمًّی ؕ
It is Allah who erected the heavens without pillars that you [can] see; then He established Himself above the Throne and made subject the sun and the moon, each running [its course] for a specified term.
Allah Swt says that the Sun and Moon are running their courses, infact not only sun and the moon, but also Earth is in movement. The ord used for each running is کُلٌّ یَّجۡرِیۡ, in Arabic there are also word used for dual, while this is for 3 or more. This means Allah Swt is saying that Earth is also in an orbit, if anyone things it is talkin' about Night and Day, then let me tell you that, Allah Swt always say that he rolls the Earth with Night and Day, not orbiting it... Any more questions, you can ask....
@@extremegamer3988 how dare you, the quran never said the earth is in orbit, and also did not say rolls the earth with night and day, those are just YOUR words, what the quran says is "He wraps/rolls the day into night, and the night into day", which is likened to a movement of winding a turban, which more appropriately is alluding to the sun's circular orbit above the earth, giving us day and night, Allahu a'lam
@@yo-ze6in We know that the sun is ALWAYS rising and ALWAYS setting for everchanging parts of our earth. The sun does not "go' anywhere to set -- our earth is SPINNING (this is how we get "sunset"). But Muhammad did not know that our earth is spinning, so he told Abu Dharr the following: Narrated Abu Dhar:
The Prophet asked me at sunset, "Do you know where the sun goes (at the time of sunset)?" I replied, "Allah and His Apostle know better." He said, "It goes (i.e. travels) till it prostrates Itself underneath the Throne' (Sahih Bukhari).
No, Muhammad, the sun does not 'travel anywhere to set -- the sun is ALWAYS setting as the earth SPINS.
Alhamdullilah !
This video would have been making me think Islam in a broader Sense.
May Allah reward you brother
Jazakum allahu kharan
Something else I would love to see adressed is the holy spirit in the Quran as some christians will try and use that as a way of saying god is plural in the Quran.
Ps: Ofcourse I am aware that
روح القدس
And
روحنا
Refer ro angel gibreel alayhe alsalam, but a response by brother hijab will benefit and reach more prople.
Accepting a term like holy spirit infers that the other part of their god is not holy???
It a ridiculous statement referring to The Will Of Allah when He says be and it is, Christian pagans say a new personage comes down in a spirit form and touches.
But Allah's Will achieve exactly what His intentions command.
How can that be a seperate identity anymore than our own human will to achieve things in our lives is just part of our internal nature of being able to similar things on a limited level. We think to make something then our determination to see it through till completed achieves it.
This doesn't mean we are two people our mind and our actions.
Such nonsense it just mythical rubbish
1:19
the atheists: it's getting out of the hand...now there are two of them!
We do need more of him!
Please make a video on Qiyamat
Will whole universe gonna destroy or only all the life,
Again,please explain Sura 75 verse 7-10.
It would be very beneficial..
Mohammed Hijab please let us know if you have a schedule for your talks jzk🌷
How can I get in touch with brother Mohammed Hijab?
But the Heliocentricentric model you defended was NOT authored by Muslim scholars. In addition the model claims that the Earth is a Ball spinning on its axis at the speed of 1000 mph!
So since geocentric model is also not offered by Islamic scholars, I have resorted to :
وَمَا ٱخۡتَلَفۡتُمۡ فِیهِ مِن شَیۡءࣲ فَحُكۡمُهُۥۤ إِلَى
ٱللَّهِۚ ذَ ٰلِكُمُ ٱللَّهُ رَبِّی عَلَیۡهِ تَوَكَّلۡتُ وَإِلَیۡهِ أُنِیبُ
Say to the believers, O Prophet,˺ “Whatever you may differ about, its judgment rests with Allah. That is Allah-my Lord. In Him I put my trust, and to Him I ˹always˺ turn.”Qur'an (42:10)
It doesn't have to be authored by Muslim scholars to be true, its signs can be observed through even the most basic human observations. And it doesn't contradict the Qur'an by any method of the imagination. Also you have to realize that the Earth is like what? 24,901 Miles in circumference. Since the earth is a sphere using linear methods to calculate it gives the illusion that it's super fast. But really it's a 15° per hour rotation, which is not all that much. Plus it explains seasons, night and day. I believe it is a sign of Allah's work, as He never revealed any verse against it.
We should consider/put into account the origins of each theory, would make a lot of things easier.
Muhammad declared in Quran 31:29: "Don't you see that Allah merges night into day and he merges day into night and he has subjected the sun, and the moon each running its course for a term appointed...?".
But the movement of the sun and moon have nothing to do with day and night -- we get day and night because the earth is spinning!
Again in Quran 39:5, we read:
"He makes the Night overlap the Day, and the Day overlap the Night: He has subjected the sun and the moon (to His law): Each one follows a course for a time appointed."
But the movement of the sun and moon have nothing to do with day and night -- we get day and night because the earth is spinning!
Finally, in Quran 36:40 it is stated: "It is not for the sun to overtake the moon, nor does the night outstrip the day. They float each in an orbit."
But the movement of the sun and moon have nothing to do with day and night -- we get day and night because the earth is spinning!
Does the Quran (or anything else) indicate that Muhammad knew that the earth is spinning?
the day and night word I not attached with sun and moon
@@muhammadhussain5854 Yes, we know that -- but did Muhammad? Why does he mention day and night when talking about the sun "running its course"? Did Muhammad believe that the sun goes around the earth? Why did Muhammad never proclaim that OUR EARTH IS SPINNING? Did Muhammad know that our earth is spinning, Muhammad Husain?
@Jack Willson Consider a person who thought that the sun goes around the earth (it orbits the earth). Such a person would describe the movement of the sun when discussing night and day. Muhammad and the god of his imagination did not know that our earth is spinning, and that this is why we get day and night. Muhammad thought that the sun goes around the earth. Muhammad was wrong.
@Jack Willson Do you have any evidence at all that Muhammad knew our earth is spinning?
Yes quran refers to geocentrism and this mental gymnastic can't convince ppl
wow they're actually putting definitions on screen
Salam, some people are saying that Islam is a copy of Sabiens can you make a video on that old jzk 🙏
@@kanizfatima1377 ik but don’t they pray like 7 times a day and o though prayer was only for Mohamed pbuhs umah
@@muchubby6791 No, false. Who said that. Do you know that Jews pray 3 times a day?
@@muchubby6791 No who said prophet mohammeds (SAW) Ummah was the first to pray, akhi the claim that something is similar doesn't equate to plagiarism its a stupid claim and needs academic evidence. Don't listen to these weak claims brother.
As salamwaalakuim
@@Kakeshii jzk for the help
@@muchubby6791 wa iyyak
Just as Abu jahal could not admit that what he inherited from his forefathers was wrong so many today who learn Greek mythology refined in the guise of modern science can not admit that they have swallowed outdated product hollow in essence. The quran is clear only those will believe whom Allah guides. ولله لا يحب كل مختال فخور.
Al hamdulilah, Real eyes realize real lies
@@amuthi1 do you still believe you went to the moon.?
@@amuthi1 OK believing in fairy tales is not a problem for you then. czcams.com/video/rtj9yBROVjE/video.html
@@amuthi1 I went there personally in the 60s, I also took a selfie with Earth behind but I lost that technology that got me there, I can't go back, unfortunately :(
@@amuthi1 That would be great but they still need to find that technology they lost. only Nasa has the key to that trash can. Hopefully, they find it and get us to a new destination this time, to mars for example why not! we could save our humanity from this old ageing planet..
Jazakumullah khir mohammed Hijab , may Allah bless you
If you make the claim its associated with the suns rotation of the milky way, it wouldn't make sense as the sun is almost always in reference alongside day, the suns movement of milky way has nothing to do with day and night. Plus in Hadith Muhammad commanded the sun to stop which delayed sunset, the suns moment has nothing to do with day and night its the earth rotation that create those cycles therefore he should have commanded the earth to stop.
The sun also rotates in the solar system around the center of mass of solar system and if it's not rotates then there is no tight gravity and our earth lost somewhere in the space in the darkness that's why it's related to day and night .
@@Samresponds those are man-made assumptions, but what is true is in the quran - geocentrism
@@Armando010 you are also made assumptions, that quran is grocentral , and their not a single ayat where it meantion sun revolve around the earth .
@@Samresponds the hint is clear in verses about night and day, wherein is also mention the movement of the sun and moon
@@Armando010 I don't believe in hint I believe in quran, this verse is the universal truth .
“The moon follows the sun, and yet they never meet.”
How do we explain a total solar eclipse, and why did it scare the Prophet (Peace be upon him), every-time it happened?
From what I understand, God brags in the Quran about this infallible system that never breaks down. However, if it does, it is a sign from God?
Knock out
what if whatever is causing solar eclipses is not the moon? the ancients knew and understood this, they called it the black sun, celestial object that emits no light and only visible during solar eclipses as it crosses path with the sun
Eclipses are a sign from God reminding the people of the Day of Judgement, that's why Prophet Muhammad (Peace and Blessings of Allah Be Upon Him). Also from what I know the Qur'an doesn't say that the sun and moon doesn't meet. However if it does, please share that verse.
Good video... The Quran can be understood with meaningful expressions from 1400 years ago till today.
The people who make this ridiculous claims show these people don't even understand science and frames of referance.
Great answer hijab.
Honestly I have seriously been considering looking to convert to Islam but this issue is one of the biggest issues that has kept me from converting. It seems clear to me that the Quranic perspective is geocentric. From an outsiders point of view it is obvious but for someone immersed in the faith they are going to have to do some serious mental gymnastics just like this fellow was doing to get around it.
Brother I would have loved it, if you talked about it being flat, carpet, bed, and how the sun prostrates under the throne of Allah. How the sun would rise from the west
Quran says as night and day pass, the Sun and Moon float in an orbit AND they do NOT catch up to each other in orbit. That second part implies GEOCENTRISM.
Also, you say that the Sun & Moon have a real orbit: a galactic orbit around the galaxy. But this galactic orbit has nothing to do with the passing of night/day. The verse is explaining what happens when night and day changes, and the Quran proceeds to say the sun and moon swim in an orbit that that does not intersect.
Finally, all the early Muslim Astronomers were geocentrists. None of them were heliocentrist. It wasn’t until centuries later when people started questioning Ptolemy’s model.
It's important to understand that the Quran uses descriptive language that reflects observations from a human perspective. The verse in question (36:40) does not necessarily imply a geocentric model. Instead, it highlights the regularity and harmony of celestial movements.
In science, both geocentric and heliocentric models are valid depending on the reference frame. According to the theory of relativity, there is no absolute frame of reference, meaning the choice between geocentric and heliocentric perspectives is based on convenience and simplicity for calculations. The geocentric model is scientifically valid within its context.
The Quran’s descriptions should be seen as conveying the order and consistency in the universe, not as detailed astronomical models.
Moreover, science itself is iterative and constantly evolving. Theories are validated through repeated observations and experiments, but they remain open to refinement. Criticisms of the heliocentric model by researchers like Robert Sungenis highlight that no scientific model is perfectly valid.
So, implying that the Quran is incorrect because of an assumed geocentric view shows a misunderstanding of both the Quran and science.
Please educate yourself.
@@michailyaroslavunder STOR, for one observer, two events will occur at the same time. But for another observer, one event will precede the other event. Nothing in STOR says that geocentrism is empirically equivalent to heliocentrism. Somethings are empirically equivalent (for example, gravity and acceleration), but this nonsense that geocentrism and heliocentrism are empirically equivalent is the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard
The claim that geocentrism and heliocentrism are not empirically equivalent is incorrect. In the framework of General Relativity, any point can be chosen as the center of a coordinate system, making geocentric and heliocentric models mathematically interchangeable. Both models can describe planetary motions accurately, but heliocentrism is simpler and more practical. Empirical evidence supports heliocentrism because it provides a more straightforward explanation for observed phenomena like stellar parallax and planetary retrograde motion, not because geocentrism is invalid. Thus, dismissing the equivalence of these models shows a misunderstanding of relativity and the flexibility of reference frames in physics.
@@michailyaroslav if heliocentrism is simpler/more practical, then the two models are not empirically equivalent! And regardless of whether the sun or the earth is in the center, the paths of the planets form (roughly) ellipses with respect to the Sun, not the Earth. That’s general relativity!
And nothing in the Quran mentions coordinate systems! It’s through and through geocentric!
The verse isnt explaining how night and day occurs, it's listing signs of Allah and His order within His creation. That is absolutely clear when you read the full passage in chapter 36 (Verses 33-40).
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The Quran simply refers to the sun and moon as signs for use from our perspective…. So saying the sun and moon and day and night run their courses around each other is simply talking from our POV similar to how we still say “Sunrise” and “sunset” even though the sun doesn’t actually do either these things
The beauty of when truth is expressed it is true at its most simple aspect right to the deepest most profound aspect science can delve into. The truth still stands proud never in contradiction.
قَالَ فِيهَا تَحْيَوْنَ وَفِيهَا تَمُوتُونَ وَمِنْهَا تُخْرَجُونَ ﴾ [الأعراف: 24، 25]
يَا مَعْشَرَ الْجِنِّ وَالْإِنسِ إِنِ اسْتَطَعْتُمْ أَن تَنفُذُوا مِنْ أَقْطَارِ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضِ فَانفُذُوا ۚ لَا تَنفُذُونَ إِلَّا بِسُلْطَانٍ ( الرحمان 33)
۞ وَسَارِعُوا إِلَىٰ مَغْفِرَةٍ مِّن رَّبِّكُمْ وَجَنَّةٍ عَرْضُهَا السَّمَاوَاتُ وَالْأَرْضُ أُعِدَّتْ لِلْمُتَّقِينَ (133)
الَّذِي جَعَلَ لَكُمُ الْأَرْضَ فِرَاشًا وَالسَّمَاءَ بِنَاءً ﴿٢٢ البقرة﴾
Interesting
I believe brother hijab should just say “both stances can be correct” cuz most scholars say they’re both correct
@@mattyb8934 well he's wrong, the Quran isn't some one size fits all book cover. The Quran is it's own book, and it's straightforward. Scholars are unqualified to comment on these subject matters, and if you listen to them just cuz they're ' scholars' then you need to reconsider everything. The Quran isn't a footnote, it's it's own thing
I believe brother hijab is going down this weird journey now idk these topics r too big to address n simply leave it to allah n his prophet
Assalamu 3alaykum ikhwaanil kiraam. Could u maybe make a video on the cause of seasons in islam, as it causes doubts to some and I don’t know how to respond to people asking about it. Jazaakumullahu khayran!
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Think about it...
it makes more sense with the belief we're living in a dome,
with trees producing the oxygen we need.
The mountains holding down as pegs.
The process of clouds and rain
Stars never change
The functioning of such don't make sense on a spinning ball!!
it goes back to our natural disposition...
but unfortunately we're taught otherwise in schools from one perspective, even before we learn to ask questions.
Allah (SWT) knows best
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It does make sense though, stars never changing is clearly contradictory because the Qur'an says the Sun has its own orbit. If the earth was flat and had a geocentric model then there wouldn't be different timezones, or even seasons. Mountains holding down as pegs does make sense in a spherical Earth due to tectonic plates. All of this is proven, and the Qur'an supports it (again through the fact that the sun has its own separate orbit and that mountains hold down the crust). And Allah knows best.
what of the hadeeth about the sun was never held for any human except joshua (yushak bin nun)? that is a clear statement of geocentrism
Source?
@@qazwsx487 Abu Hurayrah (may Allah be pleased with him) reported that the Prophet (may Allah's peace and blessings be upon him) said: ''The sun was never held (from setting) for any human except Yūsha‘, on the nights he marched to Jerusalem.''
Sahih/Authentic. - [Ahmad]
Explanation
The sun has never been stopped from running in its orbit for any human being except for Yūsha‘ ibn Nūn (the servant of Moses, who traveled with him to Al-Khidr), when he marched to Jerusalem. He feared that the sun would set before he could enter the city on Friday. If the sun had set, he would enter on Saturday, on which fighting was forbidden. So, he said to the sun: ''You are commanded, and so am I. O Allah, hold it (from setting).'' So the sun stopped for him until he entered Jerusalem
@@qazwsx487 Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "A prophet amongst the prophets carried out a holy military expedition, so he said to his followers, 'Anyone who has married a woman and wants to consummate the marriage, and has not done so yet, should not accompany me; nor should a man who has built a house but has not completed its roof; nor a man who has sheep or she-camels and is waiting for the birth of their young ones.' So, the prophet carried out the expedition and when he reached that town at the time or nearly at the time of the `Asr prayer, he said to the sun, 'O sun! You are under Allah's Order and I am under Allah's Order O Allah! Stop it (i.e. the sun) from setting.' It was stopped till Allah made him victorious. Then he collected the booty and the fire came to burn it, but it did not burn it. He said (to his men), 'Some of you have stolen something from the booty. So one man from every tribe should give me a pledge of allegiance by shaking hands with me.' (They did so and) the hand of a man got stuck over the hand of their prophet. Then that prophet said (to the man), 'The theft has been committed by your people. So all the persons of your tribe should give me the pledge of allegiance by shaking hands with me.' The hands of two or three men got stuck over the hand of their prophet and he said, "You have committed the theft.' Then they brought a head of gold like the head of a cow and put it there, and the fire came and consumed the booty. The Prophet (ﷺ) added: Then Allah saw our weakness and disability, so he made booty legal for us.
Reference : Sahih al-Bukhari 3124
In-book reference : Book 57, Hadith 33
@@zeynsolo U didn't mentioned the Hadith number for the 1st Hadith meaning that u didn't gave reference for it.
And for the 2nd Hadith , yes it was a Miracle by Allah dont for that Prophet. Miracles are unscientific by Nature. Like Virgin Birth, Splitting Moon , Raising the Dead .
@@qazwsx487 the first hadith was musnad ahmad volume 14, hadith 65, do they not prove geocentrism? meaning the sun was stopped to prolong the day, plain and clear
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Bhai is vidio mai ye earth ghumti hai isko support kar rahe hai
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Is vidio mai muhaamd hijabi bol rahe hai ki zameen ghumti hai
Is clear that in the Quran and hadiths that the sun rotate around the earth
Why is it ok for you to superimpose the heliocentric model on the Qur'an?
Why are you allowed to do your own ta'weel on those verses?
@fdx dsx how does the Prophet (peace ne upon him) ascending to Heaven or Isa (alayhi salam) descending to Earth prove that the Earth is flat in Islam? Wth man
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Small issue: The sun and moon do not rise. The earth spins.
Then stop calling it sunrise, let's call it earthspin instead
Salam… I have the upmost respect for you Br Hijab, but maybe this video should be directed to Sheikh Alfawzan who has similar understanding of these verses like those who try and attack the quran.
It is undeniable that in a human on the surface of the earth perception the earth is the centre of the universe. It doesn't matter from which point on the earth surface, be on the north or south pole or on the equator, the seven heavens are always the space above the earth.
Obviously the geocentric or heliocentric is a reference term limited to our solar system which very small in the vast universe.
It is questionable to understand and taken that alQuranic verses to have layers of meanings. The verse Q(3:7) indicates very clearly that every verse of alQuran has specific meaning of either muhkam or mutasyabihah. A Muslim is advised to not interpreting the mutasyabihah verses which only Allah know their specific meaning. It isn't proper to interpret the mutasyabihah verses to suit human contemporary observations which in reality it is subjecting the alQuran to human shortcomings, first in their limited understanding of alQuran and secondly in the imperfection of their observations and inferences.
here is the claim....Qur’an 18:83-86-And they ask you about Dhul-Qarnain. Say: “I shall recite to you something of his story.” Verily, We established him in the earth, and We gave him the means of everything. So he followed a way. Until, when he reached the setting place of the sun, he found it setting in a spring of black muddy (or hot) water. And he found near it a people.
Sunan Abu Dawud 3991-Abu Dharr said: I was sitting behind the Apostle of Allah who was riding a donkey while the sun was setting. He asked: Do you know where this sets? I replied: Allah and his Apostle know best. He said: It sets in a spring of warm water...
Meanwhile: shamsi: sun rotates around the earth, earth is flat 😂😅
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Muhammad hijabi support helloicentricism
i seen this guy commented about this in your last video. If he's sincere, then this should help him. But most are not sincere, they want to find reasons not to accept
Most muslims are not sincere. Sometimes they leave out hadith or change quran verses or resolve to interpretations and avoid the bigger and more important source just to proove their trashy point.
Mashallah brot.
At least somebody else think like me...
Qur'an supports geocentrism
We are not slaves of science!
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According to muhammad hijabi earth is not running and earth flat
Does God have body parts or is it metaphor in the Quran?
Metaphor. “Hand” for example just means the ability to grasp things and take control over things.
@@notionSlave hey can you explain this verse "... and his throne was upon the water".
@@avi7430 Before the universe was created, he created the Throne. And the throne was over “water”. Or some fluid. The Quran uses “water” in multiple ways, for example not always directly as water, but as a fluid for example “warm fluid” when referring to semen, yet uses the same Arabic word for water “ma’a”
So before the universe was created, it could either mean He created water around his Throne. Or, it could be some other fluid, perhaps a primordial fluid, from which he creates everything else. We don’t know the *exact* interpretation.
@@avi7430 Everything in the universe is below the Throne.
@@notionSlave so does God sit in his throne. I thought the throne was a metaphor too.
Really the way quraan describes any phenomenon according to the perspective of different situations is not of this world.
BYZANTINE ( ROMAN EMPIRE ) ASTRONOMY FROM A.D. 1300
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Department of Physics, University of Dortmund, Germany.
”…A Byzantine (Roman), article from the 13th century contains advanced astronomical ideas and pre-Copernican diagrams. The models are geocentric but contain improvements on the trajectories of the Moon and Mercury. This talk presents several models and compares them briefly with the Astronomy of Ptolemy, Arabic Astro nomies of that time and the heliocentric system…”
“……In contrast to Western Europeans "the Arabs had virtually full access to that, Greek, heritage from the eighth century onward. This occurred because of a momentous translation effort whereby the great works of Greece and other cultures were translated in Arabic". Later on (12th and 13th centuries) the classical knowledge was transmitted to Western Europe through Byzantine and Arabic sources and Irish monks who travelled across Europe founding monasteries and scriptoria..….”
Similarly how easy would it be for all of us if allah just had clearly stated about the heliocentric model ......
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There s also a verse which says that sun and moon can not overtake each other
Now this is only possible if they are revolving in the same orbit ...
Clarification of the interpretation of erroneous verses regarding the pseudoscientific view of the flat earth (Flat Earth)
Differences in the context of the meaning of the words kholaqo/create (خَلَقَ) and ja'ala/make (جَعَلَ) in the Qur'an.
Kholaqo (خَلَقَ) means more often used in the context of macro "Creation" from the beginning (before any material existed until it came into existence) through the entire process, Kholaqo does not involve the creature's point of view.
In every verse of the Qur'an which relates to events after creation, the word Ja'ala (making) is usually preceded by the word "ja'ala". view of the creatures involved.
Examples of the use of the word "ja'ala":
Qs. An-naba: 9-11
9) "We make (ja'ala) your sleep for rest."
(creature's POV)
10) "Making (ja'ala) night as clothing" (metaphorically covering the earth with night) (creature's POV)
11) "Making (ja'ala) the day to earn a living. (creature's POV)
Al Baqarah: 30 about making (ja'ala) the caliph.
The verse that is often misinterpreted as the proof of a flat earth is Surah Taha: 53
"Who has made (ja'ala) for you the earth as an expanse, and has made for you the earth as a place to walk..."
It is as if the earth was created flat, even though that is the interpretation of making the earth for you, namely creatures, especially humans, in this case "making expanses and roads" is from the POV (POINT of VIEW) point of view of creatures on earth, especially humans, not an explanation complete Creation of the Earth (kholaqo).
There is a more complete verse that uses the words "kholaqo and "ja'ala" together but have different meanings, as outlined in Qs Al An'am verse 1, where it explains the creation (kholaqo) of the heavens and the earth and the making (ja'ala) of darkness ( night) and light (day), first the creation of heaven and earth, then making night and day in the POV of earthly creatures.
Examples of using the word "Kholaqo" (creation):
1) Qs al hud verse 7, "creation of the heavens and the earth"
2) Qs. an Nur verse 45, "Creation of all living creatures from water" (about the ancient sea)
3) Qs Al Mukminun, "The process of human creation in the embryological phase"
The majority of verses that contain the phrase the earth is spread out use the verb (جَعَلَ), which means that even if they don't use the word ja'ala, they still consistently refer to the point of view of creatures after the creation of the earth.
The word ja 'ala (جَعَلَ /make) describes events that occurred after creation in a macro way, but some include the description of an event that is bound to involve the condition of being.
The word "expanse" in the Al-Quran has a meaning not about the shape of the flat earth, but from a human point of view when on earth (human POV).
In Surah Al Isra verse 12, Islam explicitly explains the pattern of calculating time according to the heliocentrism calendar.
"And We (جَعَلَ) made the night and the day two signs, then We abolished the sign of the night and We made the sign of the day light, so that you may seek grace from your Lord, and so that you know the number of years and calculations. And We have provided everything explain clearly."
This verse very firmly explains AD (Syamsiyah) and Hijriyah (Qamariyah) calculations which can only be done in heliocentric conditions, not geocentric conditions.
*There are 21 verses that I have collected explaining the creation of the earth with the diction (Kholaqo/creating) without the accompaniment of the Earth being flat or spread out*
Explain the difference in the use of the verb between *ja'ala/make* in the verse that explains "expanse" where the meaning is in the POV (Point of View) of humans/earth creatures, and the verb *kholaqo/create* which is always used in the meaning of right God's perogative in the entire creation process without involving the creature's POV.
1. Surah Al-An'am (6) Verse 1
الْحَمْدُ لِلَّه\ ِّهِمْ يَعْدِلُونَ
1. Praise be to Allah Who created the heavens and the earth and created darkness and light, but those who disbelieve associate (anything) with their Lord.
2. Surah Al-Baqarah (2) Verse 164
"Indeed, in the creation of the heavens and the earth, night and day alternated..."
3. Surah Al-An'am (6) Verse 73
وَهُوَ الَّذِي خَلَقَ السَّمَاocked ْمُلْكُ يَوْمَ يُنْفَخُ فِي الصُّورِ ۚ عَالِمُ الْغَيْبِ وَالشَّهَادَةِ ۚ وَهُوَ الْحَكِيمُ الْخَبِيرُ
73. And it is He who created the heavens and the earth in truth. And His words were true when He said: "There was (initial matter), then (the process) came to pass (the final result)", and in His hands is all power when the trumpet is blown. He knows the unseen and the visible. And He is the All-Wise, All-Knowing.
4. Surah Al-An'am (6) Verse 79
إِنِّي وَجَّهْتُ وَجْهِيَ لِلَّذِي فَطَرَ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَر ْضَ حَنِيفًا ۖ وَمَا أَنَا مِنَ الْمُشْرِكِينَ
79. Indeed, I present myself to the Rabb who created the heavens and the earth, tending to the true religion, and I am not one of those who associate partners with God.
5. Surah Al-An'am (6) Verse 101
بَدِيعُ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضِ ۖ أَنَّىٰ يَكُونُ لَهُ وَلient َ بِكُلِّ شَيْءٍ عَلِيمٌ
101. He is the Creator of heaven and earth. How did He have children when He didn't have a wife? He created all things; and He knows everything.
6. Surah Ibrahim (14) Verse 19
أَلَمْ تَرَ أَنَّ اللَّهَ خَلَقَ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضَ بِالْح Facebook
19. Do you not see that Allah has created the heavens and the earth by right? If He had willed, He would have destroyed you and replaced (you) with a new creature,
7. Surah Al-Hijr (15) Verse 85
وَمَا خَلَقْنَا السَّمَاوَاتِ وَاitor َّفْحَ الْجَمِيلَ
85. And We did not create the heavens and the earth and what is between them, but with truth. And indeed, the time (of the apocalypse) will definitely come, so forgive (them) in a good way.
8. Surah An-Nahl (16) Verse 3
خَلَقَ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضَ بِالْحَقِّ ۚ تَعَالَىٰ عَمَّا يُ شْرِكُونَ
3. He created the heavens and the earth by right. Allah is higher than what they associate with others.
9. Surah Al-Isra' (17) Verse 99
۞ أَوَلَمْ يَرَوْا أَنَّ اللَّهَ الَّذِي خَلَقَ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَا لْأَرْضَ قَادِرٌ عَلَىٰ أَنْ يَخْلُقَ مِثْلَهُمْ وَجَعَلَ لَهُمْ أَ God willing
99. And do they not see that Allah who created the heavens and the earth is the power (also) who created those like them, and has appointed certain times for them in which there is no doubt? So the unjust people want nothing but disbelief
10. Surah Al-Anbiya (21) Verse 16
وَمَا خَلَقْنَا السَّمَاءَ وَالْأَرْضَ وَمَا بَيْنَهُمَا لَاعِبِ ينَ
16. And We did not create the heavens and the earth and everything between them by playing around.
11. Surah An-Naml (27) Verse 60
God willing لسَّمَاءِ مَاءً فَأَنْبَتْنَا بِهِ حَدَائِقَ ذَاتَ بَهْجَةٍ مَا كَ God willing هُمْ قَوْمٌ يَعْدِلُونَ
60. Or who created the heavens and the earth and sent down water for you from the sky, then We made gardens grow with it with beautiful views, the trees of which you were unable to grow? Is there (another) god besides Allah? In fact (in fact) they are people who deviate (from the truth
12. Surah Al-'Ankabut (29) Verse 44
خَلَقَ اللَّهُ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضَ بِالْحَقِّ ۚ إِنَّ فِي ذ َٰلِكَ لَآيَةً لِلْمُؤْمِنِينَ
44. Allah created the heavens and the earth with right. Indeed, in this are the signs of Allah's power for the believers
13. Surah Al-Mu'min (Al-Ghaafir) (40) Verse 57
لَخَلْقُ السَّمَاوَاتَ وَلَٰكِنَّ أَكْثَرَ النَّاسِ لَا يَعْلَمُونَ
57. Indeed, the creation of the heavens and the earth is greater than the creation of humans, but most humans do not know
14. Surah Ad-Dukhan (44) Verse 38
وَمَا خَلَقْنَا السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضَ وَمَا بَيْنَهُمَا لَاع ِبِينَ
38. And We did not create the heavens and the earth and what is between them by playing around.
15. Surah Al-Ahqaf (46) Verse 33
Allah's blessings أَرْضَ وَلَمْ يَعْيَ بِخَلْقِهِنَّ بِقَادِرٍ عَلَىٰ أَنْ يُحْيِيَ الْمَوْتَىٰ ۚ بَلَىپ
33. And do they not see that it is Allah who created the heavens and the earth and He does not feel bad for creating them, the power to give life to the dead? Yes (in fact) indeed He is Almighty over all things
16. Surah Al-Hadid (57) Verse 4, 17. Surah Yunus (10) Verse 3, 18. Surah Hud (11) Verse 7,
19. Surah Al-Kahf (18) Verse 51,
20. Surah Ta Ha (20) Verse 4,
21. Surah Al-Jasiyah (45) Verses 22, 21. Surah Qaf (50) Verses 38
From a human point of view when on earth (human POV) the time of the Gregorian and Hijriyah calendars which only occurs when the earth is a ball is explained in the word of Allah Qs. Al Isra verse 12
"And We (جَعَلَ) made the night and the day two signs, then We abolished the sign of the night and We made the sign of the day light, so that you may seek grace from your Lord, and so that you know the number of years and calculations. And We have provided everything explain clearly.
This verse very firmly explains AD (Syamsiyah) and Hijriyah (Qamariyah) calculations which can only be done in heliocentric conditions, not geocentric conditions.
This wont age well at all. There will come a time in the near future where Mr. Hijab will be scrambling to retract his statements on the topic. Intellectual foolishness at its finest.
It says Sun and moon swimming (moving) in same verse and same sentence but quran never mention earth orbit at all. You are delusional if you think this verse is talking about sun orbit around galaxy... No reason to assume that qurans thinks that sun and moon orbits is different when it mention both same sentence
Also quran not only say sun come from east and sets in west, it also says it goes to resting place. Saying "Resting place" make sense if you think sun orbits the earth
and every time the quran mentions the occurrence of night and day, in the very same verses the movement of the sun in its orbit is also mentioned, is Allah giving us hints that the movement of the sun and the occurrence of night and day are somehow related?
Geocentric muslim here sipping my mint tea 🍵 mashallah , much love to baller and flat earth Muslim Salamwalakum
According to muhammad hijabi earth is flat and earth is not running
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4:00 Doesn't have to do hermeneutical acrobatics or hermeneutical gymnastics in order to come to a conclusion like this . 🤣🤣🤣
Heliosentrism
Salaams. You said
"it doesn't have to mean that".
Ok but it could mean that and make perfect in it's reality.
Tis be for Our CREATOR to ultimately Know and not us. I'm not saying this is my personal belief but you can find enough ambiguousness in these references to see it from the "Flat Earth folks" always seems to be mainly men but 😂❤
If it is HAQQ it is from ALLAH (SWTA) so many times have we (humans) thought that a certain heald "beleaf" was "fact"! Then a paradigm shift! & WamO+ Muslims as well have to see through the values, I've lost most of you because you are holding too tight to your limited "Religious" ideas.
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And the moon - We have determined for it 👉phases, 👈👉until it returns 👈[appearing] like the old date stalk.
Orbit of moon causes phases of moon
Muhammad, all we've heard so far is that the Quran says we're in a heliocentric system because this scholar said this, or that scholar said that. Is there anything that we can work from apart from some blind faith in some ancient scholar, we're tired of the ' هذا ماوجدنا عليه ابائنا' stuff.
@The Visiting Soul You have a video of Sheikh Ibn El baz rahimahullah. Ibn Baz said that the Earth is motionless and doesn't spin. Is he a terrorist according to you?
@The Visiting Soul So we just have to follow what majority of scholars decide without establishing if what they are saying is true or not? For example, as a Muslim on fitrah, is in't fair for me to read and contemplate the Quran myself then decided which jamaa'a of the scholars is close to what Allah said in the Quran?
For me, I have decided to read the Quran myself and when I was studying it, I stoped in verses that talked about the Heavens and Earth, and I understood from them that the position of Earth in Allah's creation is great and mighty the same as the Heavens, and I also understood from the verses that the Earth is flat and vast and only Allah knows its limit (مفروشة و ممدودة). does that make me a terrorist supporter or an atheist for understanding these verses with my own intellect ?
@The Visiting Soul The verse 21-7. So only if I don't understand something then I should ask those who have knowledge, thats reasonable. If Allah says the sky is blue(not a verse, exp) so I understand the sky is blue, its clear no? if Allah says the Earth is flat so its clear that Allah is telling me the Earth is flat, when he says the sky is a preserved ceiling above you then thats clear to me, there no reason here why I should not take these verses literally.
Because as far as I know, Quran is about the clear signs of Allah and his creation and mentions everything by its name to make things clear for people of anytime don't you agree..? 15-1 ?. ( not including events, laws, and wordy matters in the Quran that needs proper interpretations with transmissions and signs)
but thanks I still need to go back to the mufassirin and thats what they say so I still stick to naql.
For 3-7 Allah says he placed rawasi or mountains on Earth as firms so that it wont swing or move with us, but some say no, Earth is actually spinning and shooting through space can we not apply this verse to them for their contradiction with Quran? or maybe if they are scholars, we cant?
How do you explain 6-116?
@The Visiting Soul Ah ok I understand, thanks. but please don't call someone who differs with you a troll
for 20:5, I would only understand that Istiwae of Allah on the Arsh is one that befits his majesty and not like us humans. But I have to go back to tafasir of course. I am not saying this verse is comparable to when Allah is describing things on earth to us. I don't know about bukhari 1094
@The Visiting Soul On traveling, `Abdullah bin `Umar used to offer the prayer on his Mount by signs whatever direction it took. `Abdullah said that the Prophet (ﷺ) used to do so. this one?
well done mohamed hijab manshaa Allah tabarakalaah
Muhammad hijabi helocetricism ko support kar rahe hai
Iblis is a real piece of ART isn't he, Masha'Allah, Educating them the Quran.
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I can somewhat understand. Causing hate in their will hearts, but many will later on accept Islam. Media for instance
and Islamophobes. Look at the conversion of Joram Van Klaveren (EX PVV) and Arnoud Van Doorn.
Brother Hijab is getting angrier by the video
🤣🤣🤣🤣 true
The Translation is worse, there is lot meaning word of "Yasbahun" from recent scientific view from Eintein it self, Gravity is like a ripple on a plane this is for easy understanding of 2d plane from actual multi-dimension of gravity wave it self, for me it was quite match for the word it self as "Floating" like a a boat on the water.
mohamed hijab with all my respect for you where do you refer all of these explenations that the scholars are saying about geocentrism ?! i mean by showing an image (video) or illustration of heliocentrism does not prove nothing and by the way you should go to selefs first generation and have their opinion and explenation of all those verses that you have mention before May Allah reward you
*NOT ONCE in the quran does Muhammad state that our earth is spinning. Not once! Instead he speaks of the movement of the sun and moon while also talking about night and day. Muhammad did not know our earth is spinning -- and neither did the god of his imagination* .
So why do u want this to be mentioned in Quran ?🙄 So what if it's isn't mentioned 🙄
@@qazwsx487 Yes, there are more important things that I want mentioned in the quran. Like: "DO NOT OWN SLAVES!" If that had been in the quran, the followers of Muhammad would not have enslaved people FOR CENTURIES.
@Silkin You write, "Being a slave in Islam was always seen as a prestigious position of power and influence." If being a slave to a follower of Muhammad is so wonderful and fantastic, then volunteer to become a slave to a Muslim. Will you do that, Silkin? I strongly doubt that you will.
From Sahih Bukhari, we read this statement:
Statement 1) "The Prophet said 'None of you should flog his wife as he flogs a slave and then have sexual intercourse with her in the last part of the day.'"
Now Muhammad could have instead given us this statement:
Statement 2) "None of you should flog his wife, none of you should flog a slave, and none of you should own a slave."
So the Big Question for you, Silkin, is: "Which statement is wiser, Statement 1 or Statement 2?
Having surrendered your brain to Muhammad, you will, of course, answer that Statement 1 is wiser. So then, explain why you believe Statement 1 is wiser.
Let me get you started: "Statement 1 is wiser than Statement 2 because____________________(fill in the blank)"
If Muhammad had simply said Statement 2 instead of Statement 1, would this have occurred --> .slaveryimages[dot]org/s/slaveryimages/item/2657 ( [dot] = . )
@Silkin READ Quran 4:92, which refutes your entire allegation. If your allah demands that a person accidentally killing another person FREE A *BELIEVING* SLAVE, then that person must be enslaving a Muslim.
@Silkin What you write MAKES NO SENSE. you state, "Muslims can't enslave Muslims...then the very next sentence you write, that Muslims can keep Muslims as slaves.
Crazy, absolutely crazy.
The point is from Mohammed's perspective sun orbits the earth... He didn’t knew earth orbiting the sun... So there you go.. He was ignorant...for further info read Sahih Bukhari 3199
There's already a video on that Hadith. There u go.
Brother Hijab, help me prepare for GRE. :D
Quran contradictions
Surah 39:12) - Muhammed was the first Muslim
(Surah 7:143) - Moses was the first Muslim
(Surah 26:51) - some Egyptians were the first
Muslims
(Surah 2:127) - Abraham was the first Muslim
(Surah 2:37) - Adam was the first Muslim
(Surah 96:2) - People were made by blood
(Surah 15:26) - People were made by clay
(Surah 3:59) - People were made by dust
(Surah 19:67) - People were made out of nothing
(Surah 16:4) - People were made by a sperm-drop
(Surah 2:256) - There is no compulsion in Islam
(Surah 9:3) - There is compulsion in Islam
(Surah 4:48) - Allah doesn't forgive idolaters
(Surah 4:153) - Allah forgave those that worshipped the golden calf
Surah 37:145) -
Jonah was cast on a desert shore
(Surah 68:49) - Jonah was kept from being cast on a desert shore
(Surah 24:5) - slandering of chaste women can be forgiven
(Surah 24:23) - slandering of chaste women cannot be forgiven
(Surah 16:49-50) - all angels obey Allah
(Surah 2:34) - all angels except Iblis obeyed Allah
(Surah 21:76) - Noah and his family were saved from the flood
(Surah 11:42-43) - Noah's son drowned in the flood (Surah 4:158) - Jesus is raised to Allah
(Surah 21:98) - all that are worshipped by men
(Surah 11:42-43) - Noah's son drowned in the flood (Surah 4:158) - Jesus is raised to Allah
(Surah 21:98) - all that are worshipped by men besides Allah will burn in hell together with those that worship them
(Surah 16:17, 25:3) - Jesus is not
considered God (Surah 3:49, 4:157-158, 5:110, 6:2)
Jesus is to be considered a true deity
(Surah 6:101) - Allah cannot have a son
(Surah 39:4) - Allah can have a son
@@sk1.432ok. But do you still believe in the preservation of Quran which is much more serious than this list?
Islam is all a lie and you Muslims are the victims of deception by your supposed “god” Allah.
@@peaceforhumanity1886
lol bro again such invalid argument. Check the manuscripts which found its is too close the one we have and the mistakes are only happened when the scribes copying it
@@salmansadikhwhy are then verses missing in todays Quran?
@@peaceforhumanity1886 I already said those are mistakes in copying , there are no verses missing
@@salmansadikh I have bad news for you.
Sahih Muslim 1452 a
'A'isha (Allah be pleased with, her) reported that it had been revealed in the Holy Qur'an that ten clear sucklings make the marriage unlawful, then it was abrogated (and substituted) by five sucklings and Allah's Apostle (ﷺ) died and it was before that time (found) in the Holy Qur'an (and recited by the Muslims).
Show me the disgusting verse of breastfeeding for adults in Quran!
Spoiler alert: you won’t find it. It is lost!
You have been lied to all the time! Allah lied to you all the time as he promised to protect Quran!
I am sorry for you! You should ask your family, friends, Imam’s how this could happen.
Points that aren't addressed in the video:
1) why does the Quran mentions the orbit of the sun in the same verse where the phenomenon of day and night are explained? If it is not referring to geocentrism?
2)
It is not for the sun to overtake the moon, nor does the night outstrip the day. They float each in an orbit." (36:40)
What is the need of mentioning sun doesn't overtake the moon when their orbits are not even close or similar to each other? Are they in a race with each other or what?
This clearly depicts the ancient geocentric model that sun and moon are in an orbit around the earth and they are in race with each other but they never overtake each other.
This also indicates that the author of the Quran didn't knew that solar eclipses occur by the overlapping/overtaking of sun and moon.
So this verse is factually wrong even from the human's perspective.
3) And a sign for them is the night. We remove from it [the light of] day, so they are [left] in darkness.And the sun runs on to a term appointed for it; that is the ordinance of the Mighty, the Knowing.(36:37-38)
This verse explains how the formation of night takes place. It says that the light is removed so that we are left in darkness. And in the immediate next verse it says that the sun runs towards it appointed term.
So this verse is clearly attributing the orbit of sun with the phenomenon of day and night.
@Zeeshan ISI yeah, you are absolutely wrong.
1)
And a sign for them is the night. We remove from it [the light of]day, so they are [left] in darkness. And the sun runs [on course]toward its stopping point. That is the determination of the Exalted inMight, the Knowing. (36:37-38)
And He subjected for you the sun and the moon, continuous [in
orbit], and subjected for you the night and the day. (14:33)
And it is He who created the night and the day and the sun and the
moon; all [heavenly bodies] in an orbit are swimming. (21:33)
Do you not see that Allah causes the night to enter the day and
causes the day to enter the night and has subjected the sun and the moon, each running [its course] for a specified term, and that Allah,with whatever you do, is Acquainted? (31:29)
He causes the night to enter the day, and He causes the day to enter the night and has subjected the sun and the moon - each running [its course] for a specified term. (35:13)
It is not allowable for the sun to reach the moon, nor does the night
overtake the day, but each, in an orbit, is swimming. (36:40)
All these verses mentions the orbit of sun while explaining the formation of day and night.
None of these verses mentions the word "yukawwiru". This word is mentioned only in one verse 39:5 which also mentions the orbit of sun. The word wrap (yukawwiru) here could be referring to the wrapping of day and night over the hemispherical dome like sky (as seen from our perspective).
There is no mention of rotation of earth here. Stop lying.
2) you didn't even address my point.
3)again didn't address my point. Read it again.
copy and paste bot. you realise the video answers your question.
@Zeeshan ISI atleast read completely what I wrote, before copy pasting and embarrassing yourself.
You haven't answered my single point till now.
@@ghostwest9147 stop bullshitting and answer my questions if you can.
@Zeeshan ISI Are you serious??
Lmao, seems like you wasted 10 years of your life because you can't read properly what I wrote.
I never said that these verses imply static earth. I know a verse that indicates static earth but we will talk about it later.
Is this what you have learnt in these 10 yrs? Putting words in others' mouths and embarrassing yourself??
All that I said was all these verses mentions the orbit of the sun while explaining the formation of day and night in the same verse. Which you haven't addressed this point till now and you are just trying to escape from answering this.
And again, you didn't address my other two points either.
It is clear now that who has a low IQ pea brain. As you are not even getting my points.
So stop acting like a smart ass you kiddo!!🤣
Well, orbit of Sun and Moon is told in relation to Day and Night! Clearly they were thinking that Sun and Moon were going around the Earth.
Hijab's mental gymnastics is pathetic and also deny the claim of the quran that the text is CLEAR. His reinterpretation destroys the quran 🤣
Where is the relation?
Hijab
Salamalekum bro.. Just wondering what were your thoughts on the debate with AP.?
@@nadirahmed4224 it was a good debate ur counterarguments were effective I think. But why did u ask me I am not real Ali dawah
@@alidawahfan1176 r u real ali dawa?
@@nadirahmed4224 no I am Ali dawah fan
@@alidawahfan1176 which argument made the most sense to you?
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Man.. he proved that Quran supports geocentrism..
👏👏
Unfortunately, these explanations of confusing Quran verses bring up more questions than answers:
Why didn't God in his *one and only perfect eternal holy book* state plainly that the Earth is a revolving sphere rotating around the Sun???
Why didn't God preserve the Quran in Muhammad's Qurayshi Arabic down to the dot like Muslims were told for over 10000 years???
Why didn't God preserve world-wide records of Muhammad splitting the moon 1400 years ago???
Was it really necessary for Muhammad to consummate his desire for Aisha the nine year old before she entered puberty???
WHY NOT just admit the Quran is obviously man-made and start over again on equal footing with other religions???
You're going to get into intellectual trouble and turn the smartest people away from Islam when you try to pass off a man made 7th century text as ''written by God''.
God could have given us an entire science text book if he desired.
But it’s not just about “oh look, this book has science must be from god!”
The test of Islam is about character as well. Sincerity and good character.
If the test became too overpowering to reject it wouldn’t be much of a test, may as well have God himself just talk to us. It’s not a science test. It’s a test of reflection and character. Only after purifying your character and heart can you attain faith and see the truth.
A big assumption which has white supremacist undertones and smells outright ignorant in terms of philosophy of religion, is reeking in this comment, that you who do not even know all the languages in the world let alone the knowledge to dictate what is good or bad for all the people of all the different langauges and cultures.
@@notionSlave I hear you but the Quran doesn't have to be a ''science textbook'' for it to be a book of *science & spirituality* like the Ullema claimed for over 1000 years and if modern Muslims just acknowledged that the Quran is man-made, they could focus instead on the character-building and spiritual aspects of the Quran without lying about its divine origins.
25℅ of Muslims fall to apostasy. The most intelligent are leaving because the Quran doesn't make rational sense consistently.
You need a reset.
You're correct. There's too many factual mistakes to believe it's from God. Who verified Mohammad was talking to God and flying around on donkeys?
@@hiqhduke Prophet Muhammad said “people will enter Islam in crowd and people will leave Islam in crowds”.
It’s expected.
I myself left Islam despite being born Muslim. I became agnostic because of *my uneducated understanding of Islam*.
But I stayed patient and asked for guidance to the straight path and I’m back to Islam. Also check out the site & link. Might be helpful.
the perspective stuff is fine.... but the rest of you're argument is well rubbish. You didn't dispel or argue against the claim of geocentrism, you just said "welll... there's another explanation". You forced the heliocentric model JUST AS MUCH as anyone forced the geocentric one, if not more. The only difference here is that before the revelation and after people believed the geocentric model. Then by default it makes sense to assume the geocentric model unless there is some clear evidence to point to your explanation. The only way to reach your conclusion, is to start with the assumption that the Quran must be correct, and then only take the most correct justification we can find. We call that type of reasoning circular.
I'm your fan Mr hijab but your argument is weak! Very weak! you didn't mention any tafseer, I was expecting you to translate
والشمس تجري...
But you dodged it.
"وكل في فلم يسبحون" (اي الشمس والقمر)
الارض لا تدور يا حبيبي!
I think you're just deceived by NASA
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hijab did not mention any tafsir because generally ptolemaic model of geocentrism was very entrenched in minds of people. and quran mentions sun has an orbit although quran does not say and orbit around the earth which would have been wrong so quran mentions something that is true that the sun has an orbit but does not say that it is around the earth so quran can be interpreted in both ways. he is not claiming scientific miracle but what he is arguing and it is a valid argument that quran can be interpreted to match the current scientific understand without hermenutical acrobatics
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bible: Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to MY GOD AND YOUR GOD'"
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@@jerrypeter7616 read two lines below and the one that the Fathers has sent. Copy and paste boy
@@twoangels3405 which language jesus spoke?
@@jerrypeter7616 it does not matter that why they have translations Aramaic he spoke
As long as you don't have bad translator or people lying about the translations.
Christ Jesus bless you.
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End of story. The Quran irrefutably clearly refers to Geocentrism. The earth is flat & stationary. I'm fully aware and have full knowledge that we live on a flat plane.
No you are balancing on a ball.
No
There is consensus that earth is round
And geocentrism, you are right in that
the quran doesn't 'refer' to geocentrism. It simply assumes geocentrism.
@The Visiting Soul I went on the October 16th Hamza's den stream and told Subboor he is clueless about basically everything. Especially the Philosophy of Science. And I stand by it.
@Sovereign OK let's not pretend that's a charge you have a hope of backing up. But you're welcome to try.
Put it this way - it wasn't my decision to hide the stream.
@@DetInspectorMonkfish Since then, many more streams have taken place. Why have you not joined them and continued your debate?
@@BlackWolf0801 Hamza the big brave lion has blocked me, and so have the vast majority of these dawah channels. I proposed that he rebranded to 'Weasel's den' but I don't think he liked the idea.
@@DetInspectorMonkfish Ahaha I understand. That is quite unfortunate. Would have been interesting to listen to you on the panel.