These Recycled Batteries from Allye Cut Your Energy Bills In Half!
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- čas přidán 25. 06. 2024
- Energy storage is the quickest way to balance the grid, make it greener and make some money along the way. However, to date, this has only been possible for homes with home batteries, or for massive grid storage leaving a gap for solutions for factories, construction and commercial businesses such as pubs and shops. Allye spotted this opportunity and has developed Max a 300KWh battery made of four repurposed Tesla Model 3 electric vehicle batteries. What's more, is that it's available via a monthly subscription meaning businesses don't have to fork out a load of cash to start saving up to 50% on their energy bills. What's not to love?! Imogen and the Everything Electric Team went to find out!
Learn more about Allye: www.allye.com/
00:00 Intro
01:23 How Allye are saving us £££
02:00 Who is the consumer?
02:40 Let's have a look inside
03:26 What is it made of?
04:59 Designed for all eventualities
05:56 Shall we see what Max can do?
06:45 Tracking Max's stats
07:06 Connection to the cloud
07:33 Rental
08:29 Energy communities
09:05 Allye's market plan
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Glastonbury powered by batteries anyone??! Thanks for having us Allye! Top points if anyone can spot the real name of this particular Max,....🧐
Barbara
@@Dominic_Bolton We have a winner!!
@@EverythingElectricShow fantastic! I don’t think you said what the prize was? 😂
Probably the only viable customer for this.
I cannot imagine any small businesses would see this as an alternative.
@@06howea1 it could be a business in its own right presuming the sited area has an option for a peak and off peak rate and a sensible feed-in tariff.
Our three Model S cars are now 10 years and have been driven and supercharged for over 300.000 km each , still going strong so I believe 20 years is possible to drive without replacement. Degradation about 10% so far.
My brother in law is similarly happy with his old Model S.
Imagine one of these on a housing estate, shared between say 20 houses, it’d save a small fortune in individual batteries for everyone’s home, meaning Solar could be rolled out more quickly and cost effectively as batteries are at least 50% of a modern installation quote. The grid could own these and spread them out in weak areas and have full control for balancing, load sharing and helping to keep the grid working at a stronger capacity.
In an ideal world yea
@@06howea1 We want to make it ideal but you don't.Can you explain me why?
I've been suggesting tesla energy try to sell neighborhood megapacks since they came out that way.
Imagine dropping one megapack right alongside a neighborhood step down transformer and supplying 100s of houses just like that?
Much cheaper overall, utilities could do the installations and monitoring. And grid resilience would increase. Instead of hundreds of megapacks at a central easily vandalized or damaged location via thermal runaway? Or thousands of home batteries?
You instead have hundreds of megapacks spread out everywhere the large step down tranformers are co located anyway.
Outside of the big box stores&industrial parks would also make a lot of sense to. Slap a megapack or 2 in, put solar up on those huge flat roofs and bam a couple mwhs of peak demand charges are shaved down daily per install. Recharge the pack overnight off of wind nuclear or hydro power or early day peak solar and keep it moving. 👍🏻
I complete agree, the only thing I’d suggest is to use flow batteries. I would rather see these car batteries in cars, and utilise V2G or V2L.
I think for quick response or grid balancing these have potential but ideally I’d want flow batteries with longer duration.
I feel that if you have a street all with EV’s and bidirectional charging you could easily achieve a better result with more practicality.
Hi @bradleyarcher9840. Thanks for the comment. You've hit the nail on the head. This is exactly what we are planning to do - we call them "community batteries". But we don't see the community battery replacing the battery in the home - we see it working in conjunction with the systems that we will develop for the home. That's the really interesting thing - batteries working in unison, together, across the electricity grid, to make the system more resilient, more efficient and more balanced.
Love the use of second life car batteries!
I run an agricultural show, this would be amazing for helping to run our electric supply instead of using a diesel generator
The start of "balancing" local grids from Sub Stations to homes. Putting battery storage next to the Sub station reduces peak demand and can top up daily with cheap night energy. Next step is to have Suburban Streets that have Solar Panels covering threads also with smart lighting to reduce energy use in the wee hours of the morning, shade from Summer Heatwaves, give cover to Cyclists to provide all year zero transport and provide householders with vastly reduced Electricity costs whilst safeguarding the High Voltage grid from XS demands!!
Spot on Simon - did you read our pitch deck?!
I'm afraid your suggestion makes too much sense. You'll have to go back to the drawing board and figure out a less efficient solution that diverts a massive stream of funds to some monopoly or other. Or else it won't be considered "politically feasible."
I have been doing the same thing on a much smaller scale with old laptop Batteries.
Next version - raise the batteries vertically (cells are not with liquids), in that way colling and air flow will be better, dust will be settled down add chassis will be lighter (only bottom needs to be strong).
Good example of repurposing. Great work. I have been saying for a while that the grid needs to include energy caching. Think of Dinorwig in Wales or a huge grid attached battery, storing excess renewable energy until it is needed. Once that is implemented around the grid, we can start decommissioning the old polluting power stations.
Another good example is California. _“California’s batteries provided more power - over 3,360 megawatts - than the Diablo Canyon nuclear power plant, the state’s largest electric generator, which tops out at 2,250.”_ - LA Times (2022-09-13 heatwave story)
It seems like a really good idea. We need to have a greater emphasis on energy storage.
I live in a block of 20 flats in a seaside conservation area. Never going to get solar (and I doubt heat pumps) but this could make battery led savings possible. Enough people to buy it and sell shares as others flats joined in. Show needs to talk costs more. How much would an Allye cost in another 2 years.
Clever packaging. I wonder if they are rather constrained by the availability of scrapped but usable battery packs.
Thanks for the comment. Last year in the UK there were some 40k plug in vehicles that were prematurely written off. We only need to access 1% of the total market to build our systems in the coming years. We still need to deal with the other 99% however...
@@allye_energyHopefully better systems of battery monitoring and evaluation will be developed to avoid such a high rate of premature battery removal.
In the meantime, there should be plenty of good uses for useable EV batteries. Perhaps *should* is the operative word here.
Wonderfull idea and brillient solution and brilliently presented Imogen, as we must make use of damaged EV's, However I have heard EV cars have been writen off with the most simplest of things, which is a concern when you consider energy and carbon used to make the car appears to be ignored! It a problem being made by the insurance companies!!
Use in the development of Energy islands developments.
In North Central Oregon, there is a Energy Island village of some 20+ years. It has been quite successful and is growing. They now are connected to the grid to sell off excess energy.
I have been enjoyed, so thank you for delivering.
I've always thought distributed storage is a great idea. If millions of homes had a small capacity battery (say 5KWh capable of 5KW), these could be charged at offpeak prices and discharged at peak times effectively reducing the peak load on the grid by maybe 10GW which is more than the current UK Nuclear capacity.
Thanks, that is exactly what we are planning. Not just every home, but also every factory, every business. We need super-scale to make a real impact on the grid, but ultimately it will help to alleviate some of the constraints and billions in costs that the grid needs in terms of new generation and upgrades across the transmission and distribution network.
Nuclear runs at a steady state, what you want to push out with batteries is the 23-ish GW of gasturbines that get used when there is low wind.
Excellent idea. Re-use first probably for another 10 years or more and then re-cycle, and yes of course they will be recycled they are far to valuable to waste all those valuable elements inside.
Love this idea generally, energy storage will be so important for a future that depends on renewables and EV battery recycling is another looming problem, this takes on both issues. Love to see it.
You could easily see these replacing the generators used in the car parks of business as a grid back up.
No they won't replace generators but they will work along side them for actual real backup.
Great that ev batteries are being used after they are removed from vehicles it shows that batteries can continue to work long after the reported functionality of a ev battery pack. What I don't understand is why more funding is not put towards home solar and storage. Home solar systems can be installed as quick as 2-4 weeks, with no issues of grid connection or planning permission waiting times. If the 10's of millions of homes in the UK got solar and storage it would solve most of the grid problems that we have today.
Sadly there are hundreds of car crashes around the world everyday so there is bound to be lots of good batteries available for a variety of applications like this.
This would be amazing for hospitals.
We agree. And Schools, Universities - in fact any major public service could benefit from cheaper energy and greater resiliency with the Max
@@allye_energy We constantly hear government talking about efficiencies and cost savings, so this would seem to be a "put up or shut up" thing for them. Rather than local authorities making dodgy commercial real estate investments, how about leasing these and using to reduce costs over their portfolios, therefore freeing up cash for local services? Ditto things like large national government estates, NHS sites etc. Far more transparent, easily explained to voters and yield financial and environment benefits.
@@phildaly3561 Hi Phil, agreed. Your logic is crystal clear. However, politics never is that simple unfortunately, either due to vested interests, apathy or the pursuit of "optics". I'm not sure how we change that....
Thank you.
Very interesting, and a great use of used EV batteries
PS. Maybe worth talking to Ripple Energy about ways to collaborate?
Getting one of these is possibly better than getting an electric car although clearly the two could go hand in hand.
I think you're right, home batteries are typically a tenth of the size of a car battery, and for most people the house and car use a similar amount of energy per day.
That happens because domestic power use is pretty consistent, but your car needs to handle occasional long trips.
What is the payback time?
How much does it cost to buy and install?
How many years does it take to break even on the savings?
What is the useful lifetime of the equipment?
What are the maintenance costs?
Imogene with all the innuendos at the opening😂😉
Finally, Modular, Transportable, generator style portable power. I'd really like something on a small scale to take off as a standardized modular solution. Like the Buggy battery cells in 'The Martian'. Similar to the scooter batteries in India, I wonder if they'll ever be as ubiquitous as the 12v battery. A gerry can battery of sorts, compatable with an emergency socket in the boot of a car, or generator hookup in homes.
Most electric mopeds have these, which enables you to take them out of the scooter into your house/office to charge them off a 3 pin plug
Would be so cool if home owners associations could just buy one and backup the entire neighborhood… excess solar from anyone recharges it and …
During my working life I have come across many companies (retail, factories, even warehouses) that have an on site generator to enable them to continue operation in Power cuts, these attract costs - maintenance, servicing, insurance libilities etc, that the company never gets any return for ordinarily - except for when the power goes of course - you mentioned it almost in passing, but I can see that this could become a useful asset in normal times aswell as providing the neccesary emergency power, then of course there's "peak shaving" which can be used to reduce M.D. costs and some suppliers I gather provide incentives to companies to cut demand at certain times, another potential saving to be exploited?
Brian
Bring it here with hay lift or a cargo bob. Okey you have that turbine and your storage can be over the river at some household/homestead.
Could this be allied to solar panels? I'm thinking residential, so if it's serving 20 houses then have (most of) those houses install solar panels to feed the beast. And also serve as a charging point for electric cars? Basically perform exactly the same role as an individual Powerwall / Solar Panel / Car Charger but as a group resource for 20-30 houses.
😂😂😂😂😂
Solar panels to batteries, via an MPPT controller, has been "standard practice" on boats across the planet for decades. Repeat decades.
So yes such a system could work anywhere on dry land.
You might have noticed the odd roof mounted solar panel array ... it's going to be a big thing so we are told.
I like when he said gift!°° Remember, kindness is ztill free.
I am all for it. I just hope that our EVs won’t suddenly be plagued by the “written-off disease” to simply feed these businesses with our intact juicy batteries.…
Unfortunately EVs gets written off super easily compared to ICE! why are hose EVs soooo expensive to repair to begin with!!
Hope they give jack rickard credit for thinking up there business for them.
Imogen, wasn't that a magic switch, rather than a magic button? 😉 Thanks for the video.
Great idea! Cant wait until this is rolled out everywhere - I can see my local pub using a smaller version of this
For lock-ins 👍
I can definitely see some real merit in the energy as a service concept from what I understand of it, yes some of the saving will effectively go the the service supplier to over thier costs and provide thier profit but this is outweighed that savings can be made from day 1 without a big capital investment. Suspect there may need to be some engagement with the insurance market to define where liability lies but that should be addressable.
Good reuse without having to break open the packs. Is the cooling to the packs hooked up?
Yes
Intelligent Octopus Flux is relatively similar except focused on GivEnergy batteries for the domestic market.
Amazing
Brilliant
Great idea! It’s the middle ground between grid and housed batteries. Can these be linked together to work as one?
yes! both physically and digitally via the cloud
Or you could just plug V2G-enabled EVs into the grid.
Did I hear that right? 40 homes? No way.
In the UK (we don't run AC continuously and have gas central heating)
Just try to squeeze much much much more aspect ration until became Ericsson 628 display aspect ratio.....
Good show! The 300 kWh batteries are going to be huge. But we also need affordable, scaleable battery systems for homes and small businesses. To actually disrupt and compete with the price gouging, and corrupt and inefficient, electric utility monopolies, the price for battery storage needs to drop below a few thousand dollars for 10 kWh. Powerwalls are monumentally expensive to install at a usable scale, and pathetically weak in terms of energy storage. Tesla Powerwalls are the weak, home storage/range anxiety equivalent of 25 kWh, first generation Nissan Leafs! Good for early adapters, but nowhere near ready for prime time!
Cool
I need this to supply sufficient energy to my rapidly growing off-grid shop. Does somebody have the wiring schematic and equipment needed to build a unit like this? I can get the Tesla batteries. Thanks for posting.
Be careful, DIY with lithium batteries is not a game. You will need inverters, power transformers, electronic boards and software. I think that if you buy it from a supplier it will cost you 20-30% more in money but a lot less in time and research, and you will be sure that it works and it is safe!!!!
There is this video on youtube that appears to use Leaf batteries - cheap and readily available:
czcams.com/video/XHZWGLzT7gg/video.html
YAY!!!;)
Does it come with fire insurance?
"See, touch and feel everything electric" - ... everything electric? can we go over a list before we start?
Sadly no cost has been mentioned, at the moment 5kWh in LiFePo batteries (2x 200Ah 12v) can be had for around £1000, that is a brand new battery with life expectancy of 20 years or more. How much would this cost?
From my business perspective if we had solar on our unit this would be ideal. Presumably charging as 3 phase so a battery per phase?
However there’s isn’t actually a financial benefit to charging directly this from the grid. We have NO off peak business rate so wouldn’t save any money from
- manu commercial properties with solar generation get no additional benefit from surplus energy - simply net metering, this (or any other battery system) allows one to capitalise o n any surplus one may be "wasting" sending back onto the grid for no financial reward. Virtual Power Plant - online connection allows much more in the way of commercial grid services to be performed - for a return (for multiple owners and the '"management firm" in collaboration. Don't forget simple increase in energy resilience for the owner and their own local grid.
How much does one of those cost to buy?
I wish it was standard to repurpose EV batteries for home use. Luckily where I live in the US we have Net-Metering so my over production of solar gives me a credit but I'd love to have a battery system for back and energy arbitrage. As is though, unless you're a high income earner, they're completely unaffordable.
There really aren't many EVs old enough to need repurposing at the moment. The very first Leafs are now 12 years old, and there weren't many of them.
@@robinbennett5994 Sounds like a business opportunity?
Regrettably there are hundreds of car crashes globally every day so when everything is electric there should be hundreds of batteries going spare, - some almost brand new..
Max? Max Power? He's the man whose name you would like to touch. But you mustn't touch...
Nothing about price at least ballpark like between 100 - 120 k$
3 kW supply does not seem enough for a factory.. is that the max power delivery?
I saw 300kWh as it's capacity. When they connected the building, the building was drawing 3.5kW. That is not the battery rating, simply what the building was using at the moment.
Up to 200kVa / 200kW at the moment... higher power possible with cooled inverters (something we are working on!). Thanks for the comment.
@@Hybridog correct
The Tesla Model 3 Long Range has a motor that can draw around 200kW or more. So presumably, if Allye wanted to, for this four-battery setup, they could provide a capacity up to something over 400kW, perhaps up to 800kW. But a variety of other factors could come into play.
Now... add four wheels and some seats and a windscreen, and -
Why on earth did they not use brand new LiFePO4 cells? Cheaper to buy than second hand Tesla batteries from crashed cars, at least 5 times as many cycles so a far longer lifespan from them and of course much safer and impossible to go on fire. They are bulkier and weigh more, but that doesn't really matter all that much for a battery that is mostly stationary. Should still easily fit in that same size enclosure.
how do you know its cheaper??????
@@rivergladesgardenrailroad8834 He read it in the comments of a CZcams video. How else can you know facts?
I would go for rack mounted LiFePo battery systems, easy to swap out faulty units, very compact arrangements.
You do know Tesla also uses LFP batteries in their cheaper models right?
Why didn’t they make it as a trailer.
It fits on a trailer!
@@allye_energy but you don’t need a trailer if it is a trailer. Just makes is easier to move it from site to site.
....and add a motor and steering wheel....
Don't want to be such a downer, but if diverse grid storage is so great, why doesn't the utilities pay us to have one installed at the house. We get the benefit of backup power when a storm happens, and the power company gets to load balance. Many power companies, like mine, already control the hot water heaters, why not move to battery storage and give us rebates.
That's a great idea!... watch this space
They don't want us to have cheap power because there's no profit in it. They want everyone to have evs and to get heat pumps and to ideally have smart homes and this will use more power that can be produced, my home doesn't have enough amps coming in to charge a car and run a heat pump and run home appliances, so I would need another line brought in which will cost a fortune and my home would need a total central heating make over to have a heat pump which will cost 15k + , I have looked into solar and battery's and this seems the more logical solution for every house, but like I said the energy companies won't profit out of cheap power.
Regrettably the way electricity is currently generated there is always a surplus during the night that just gets pumped into the sea as hot water if the suppliers can’t sell it cheap (as E7). - Batteries would obviously just worsen that problem ..
yep, at some point you may well freely host their battery (in front of your meter) on your land and they will happily sell you the power through good times and bad. They may even "pay" you to host their solar array to provide distributed generation in all local areas. You may even get a locked in price guarantee for a decade in return for being their loyal contracted customer. The last thing any distribution grid wants is for their clients to suddenly become their suppliers.
(hot water storage heaters are already like having a 5-20kWh battery in every household - heating water is so much cheaper than any battery system (and the hot water is "necessary " in some quantity all year.)
Freely fungible energy storage like; batteries or distributed pumped hydro, are the next step - this model is only in its infancy - wait until a few more generations of grid storage flow batteries become widespread.
Seeing as the money they invest is from what we pay them, who would be paying the 3k per house to fit a powerwall??
funny pink pants
I see there's a few cobwebs on Roberts Tesla walls lol 🤣 and my android phone has a Google Android system that constantly gives out bad reviews of E Vs from news media but what I never see is bad reviews on fossil fuel companies.
of course you dont, they are far more powerful, and have influence at the very highest level
I have an app that shows me pictures of blue lorries, but what i never see is red lorries.
If it has 300 kWh, how can it be made from only 4 Model 3 batteries? They never had more than 75 kWh usable, and degradation certainly took at least 30 kWh.
Thats an interesting question - why dont we use scrap batteries for this instead of putting them in piles not knowing what to do with them?
I' ll come back in a week to have fun with all the comments from the haters. I want to see what excuse they will find to make themshelves look smarter than the others.
only one so far...
@@rivergladesgardenrailroad8834 Wait for them, they will come like the flies on 💩
Until they announce pricing and are significantly cheaper than new batteries I wouldn’t see them as a realistic alternative.
To say that the battery could power a factory for a day is such a generalised statement, subject to endless variables..... that it's completely meaningless........!
Good idea.....sloppy reporting..!!
No thanks, I don't want to rent my power. I want to have sole ownership of my green energy solutions.
Surely it can only slash the electricity bill in half. Not the total energy bill. What about gas and oil? Is the title of this video a bit misleading?
If you watch the whole video you see they're targeting uncapped commercial energy prices. Energy in the context of the video that is something generated at power plants and distributed via the grid as electricity.
If you're being pedantic lots of large businesses have backup generators, so it could cut fossil fuel(generally combusted for energy) cost too especially if the area has frequent black/brown outs, as mentioned in the video.
There are plenty of people who have set their homes up to be solely electric. After all it's where we all need to be headed.
@@drewcipher896 some businesses use gas or oil for heating or in the manufacturing process. Not really pedantic, it’s just a fact.
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So the greenies break the grid and then demand you buy batteries that cost 10s of thousands of Pounds to help mitigate the damage they did?
Please more of this presenter and less of Jack, he's on most videos and sometimes I want to learn more about a car but I don't want to watch his smarmy take on it.
Who's batteries? Pass.
I hate tesla
Why? Hate is a strong reaction to a video about batteries
We love haters like you, you are everywhere that name is, you give more views and comments and you make it more popular. Thank you.
That's like saying you hate the best technology . Maybe you do ...
no you dont...