1. Add structs 2. Add linting (with Rust) 3. Add static types (with Rust) 4. Add good package manager (with Rust) 5. Use docker Wait which language were we talking about
I've seen so many command line tools and some GUI apps get rewritten in rust. and they're awesome btw. very fast, but they don't have unsafe problems and bad syntax of c++
That's basically how evolution work.Whatever crap reproduces has some chance to add more crap which might be slightly better crap than what's going around. Each generation eliminating the crappiest crap raises the pool of better crap until it's not quite so crappy.
Java is cumbersome, too verbose; C++ and more so C are a ticket for the ER; Haskell, could be fun, I haven't tried it yet; C# - maybe, but no one uses it in a cross platform manner, like Python!? Rust, I would love to start using it, haven't put in the time yet. Have I mentioned how uneasy I am with OpenJDK and .NET SDK licensing, like Oracle & Microsoft are always just about to pop a licensing stunt on all users!?
@@BogdanTestsSoftware Java is fine imo. And if it's too verbose for you, use Kotlin. It's specifically made to fix the verbosity problem that Java has, among other major issues. And it does that job beautifully. Also, C# can easily be used in a cross-platform manner, I really don't know what your problem is. Regarding your JDK licensing issues, there are many different JDK releases that are not made by Oracle. So like, that issue is really non-existent.
@@BogdanTestsSoftwarehaskell is really cool to write and has an amazing type system but its not super practical and going to it from a dynamically typed imperative language is like jumping off a cliff without a parachute
@@KanashimiMusic no no, i mean, python definitly sucks for big projects.. (i suffered too much) but making something fast def out-ways benefits of beautifully engineered complete type safe project that took 6 months to complete... that is only going to be used by 20 internal team members.. (if something is actually useful, people ignore issue and crashes...) things like rust only worth after a certain number of usersbase is reached...
Been using Ruff and UV since 5 months and its a life changer when it comes to get installing stuffs fast and cleaning up code without freezing your ide.
@jackBauerDev this is what I was thinking when watching the video as well. Same has been done with Javascript and now Python... but yet Python lovers talk trash about strongly typed languages such as C# and Java.
Have a question. I have pylance and in vscode typecheking is basic. If I use mypy should I turn off vscode type checking? I tried mypy type checker by Microsoft worked me without pip install mypy. But it does not show undefined local variables with red sign. And also I don't like black formatter, it messed up my codes. For example while a greater b, it uses () in this code and in () it goes a new line @@CodingWithLewis
How incredible is it that a language can suck so bad that you need 4 different tools to replace the standard tool chain and fix all the bad designs with the language itself.
i have never heard of any of these tools, even though i consider myself an active programmer on the internet (in the meaning of being up to date, and knowing about the new tech)
How to code Python in 2024: Just code. Nobody has to tell you how to code. Get some "Python for beginners" book at your local bookstore and go ahead. Maybe check conformation with PEP 8 before you make it public, but code as you want.
As much as i love rust,c, go, can't beat the convince of quickly getting things done for an internal tool or a test server that only going to be used by just 20 people...
1. Pydantic 2. Black (WTH do we need speed here?) 3. ... ok maybe mypy 4. pdm (i got fed up with poetry) 5. Docker I guess I'm only partially coding in 2024
Sorry, but this is the sort of advice that guarantees your product will never ship and never work on any two developers desktop the same way. Yes, including using Docker. Stop jumping to the newest bestesst hypest thing all of the time people.
Yeah no. Don't try to make a language be what it's not supposed to be. Keep Python being the scripting language to automate tasks and run simple stuff with fast setup. There is absolutely no need to use all this. If you're trying to do some form of "proper" application software development with Python, you're just too lazy to learn a language that is optimized for it. Same goes for Rust btw, and C++ and C# for that matter, but with other parameters. Neither Rust nor C++ is the answer to everything unless you're a diehard fanboy for no good reason.
Hey guys I have a great idea, lets put shit load of pre-compilers, linters and crap with their configs and shit, invent a new package manager to manage them for you know, reasons, and make python as great as javascript development. As long as we can get some loud people on board, we can spread cult style, we can call them MUST use in fact and trigger FOMO in some poor devs. Another great language is ruined, developer time is wasted, but who cares as long as some dev-influencers sell online courses and some devs are making careers by marketing their shitty libraries.
@@AARUJIIBII Get a book, use official documentation, learn basics and write code, read, skip all online course crap, skip youtube. Do projects, that is how you learn including workflow, do not get advices from self claimed "experts"
I think people also seem to forget about things like brython - browser python, jython for python in a jre, micropython etc.The ecosystem is vast and touches on many other platforms and languages.
You can code away without types and this works well... but when it comes to testing your codebase with other code, having types is useful to stop errors before they become a problem. Also, your code will run faster as you are giving some hinting to the python interpreter about his stuff should work.
I loved Python when it was a powerful scripting system. I legit wanted to replace my shell with ipython at some point. But it is obviously not ideal for large, performance sensitive applications. Then they started adding all this static typing nonsense and at this point why not pull the band aid off and code in rust? It's OBVIOUSLY what you want.
@@CrYpt001 instead of dumb ad-hoc fallacies actually think. It doesn't matter that large apps are written in python if they have to pour millions into optimizing it because it is a slow language. And I used to LOVE Python. I loved it's 'batteries included' approach back when we didn't juggle with virtualenvs. Back when it was just a really powerful scripting language. Type hinting in Python combines the verbosity of Rust with the slowness of Python itself, minus the robust macro system. But I guess you are just looking for people to anonymously insult.
@@sadsongs7731 Someone saw tsoding's video . Python's slowness is fine many times including for giant projects . It's not a fallacy to give a counter example . Pouring millions into your project is good if it makes sense practically . Your entire opinions lie on some presumptions that simply you can't know . I do agree on python turning into js 2.0 with all the env, managers , frameworks and libraries . But I like the type hinting as a documentation tool . It is what it is , you can just do it lightly and it's delightful for scripting .
Also, to add... When dealing with code, it is generally not the execution speed that matters but how maintainable it is. Being able to iterate quickly on code to get features to market is often better than having code running 3x faster (remember python can use C and Rust in libraries) but needing minutes to compile each time you make a change.
Bros are moving from type-safe to dynamic because it's handy and then making dynamic type-safe again. They realize it's faster to spend 3x the time programming and 1/10x the time debugging
CZcams shorts don’t let you link :( but all are open source!
I thought most people just use Chatgpt
You can have a CZcams short point to a long form video, and put the links in the description there!
1) dataclasses
2) black + isort
3) mypy again
4) poetry
5) unnecessary
Yes, RUST is fast, but i really do not need it to develop on PYTHON ffs
1. Add structs
2. Add linting (with Rust)
3. Add static types (with Rust)
4. Add good package manager (with Rust)
5. Use docker
Wait which language were we talking about
We were talking about C
guys i think this is c#
I can only say it's clearly not Java
Structs (with rust) pydantic-core use rust
i think we're talking about javascript
Learning python ❌️
Learning Rust ✅️
social credits ✅
Job❌
Lots of companies are hiring rust developers, lots and lots of them.
Writing TypeScript ❌
Turning your python into TypeScript ✅
@@triplebb9809 tbh, python now support type hinding, it's not that much strict, but good enough if compared to typescript
Not if you wanna get a job 😂
"Docker runs every time"
*Laughs in Cuda.*
Me don't get 😢
@@reiskoryphaeCuda doesn't play well with docker
pain
GPU virtualization has a long way to go 😂
OMG. RIIR (Rewrite it in Rust, the movement for rewriting the whole world in Rust) is no longer just a meme
It never was
I've seen so many command line tools and some GUI apps get rewritten in rust. and they're awesome btw. very fast, but they don't have unsafe problems and bad syntax of c++
Rust is definitely a meme
@@PixelThorn how so?
@RenderingUser don't know, but I am still struggling to decide between zig, rust and go 😅
Wow the prohpecy was true...
Rust really is taking the control everywhere =)
Rust is the Crab of Prophecy !
One who shall rule the word one who is omnipotent yet lurking deep in hearts of others.
@@Volt-Eye. Everything evolves to a crab eventually.
Getting Docker to run in the first place can be a pain in the ass
Found a windows user...
@@vaisakhkm783 guilty. :D
Really ? Even with WSL it's relatively painless.
Getting a network to play nicely though ? Ha.
1. take crap
2. add more crap
3. success
That's basically how evolution work.Whatever crap reproduces has some chance to add more crap which might be slightly better crap than what's going around. Each generation eliminating the crappiest crap raises the pool of better crap until it's not quite so crappy.
add more crab
This is the best Thread and epic pun@@NervylHraje
Rye is a tool to manage Python projects which uses UV and it's also made by Astral, it's really good :)
Why not using typed languages directly?
Java is cumbersome, too verbose;
C++ and more so C are a ticket for the ER; Haskell, could be fun, I haven't tried it yet;
C# - maybe, but no one uses it in a cross platform manner, like Python!?
Rust, I would love to start using it, haven't put in the time yet.
Have I mentioned how uneasy I am with OpenJDK and .NET SDK licensing, like Oracle & Microsoft are always just about to pop a licensing stunt on all users!?
@@BogdanTestsSoftware Java is fine imo. And if it's too verbose for you, use Kotlin. It's specifically made to fix the verbosity problem that Java has, among other major issues. And it does that job beautifully.
Also, C# can easily be used in a cross-platform manner, I really don't know what your problem is.
Regarding your JDK licensing issues, there are many different JDK releases that are not made by Oracle. So like, that issue is really non-existent.
@@BogdanTestsSoftwarehaskell is really cool to write and has an amazing type system but its not super practical and going to it from a dynamically typed imperative language is like jumping off a cliff without a parachute
@@BogdanTestsSoftware C# is good cross-platform these days.
@@BogdanTestsSoftwarewhat about Go?
can you do a full YT video with more details, please?
Moral of the story. Use rust.
You are in a phase... you will grow out of it
@@vaisakhkm783 My man, did you watch the short? Literally half of this video is telling you to use tools built in Rust because the Python tools suck
@@KanashimiMusic no no, i mean, python definitly sucks for big projects.. (i suffered too much)
but making something fast def out-ways benefits of beautifully engineered complete type safe project that took 6 months to complete... that is only going to be used by 20 internal team members.. (if something is actually useful, people ignore issue and crashes...)
things like rust only worth after a certain number of usersbase is reached...
I'd use rust to make a python package manager or type analyzer 100%. But rust for actual user-facing applications? Nah
Been using Ruff and UV since 5 months and its a life changer when it comes to get installing stuffs fast and cleaning up code without freezing your ide.
Noticed a few edgecases when moving from pip to uv, but generally an awesome transition.
Better switch to another static type language
me doing numerical computation on Python watching this list of Python toolkit I never heard of or ever used: 👁️👄👁️
😢
@@foxyolk literally same
I personally prefer pyright than mypy as type checker
Ruff works like a charm, this is going to be an immense time saver.. Thank you so much Lewis! Any chance you know a pytest replacement? :D
Literally any strongly typed language has all this built in. Just let Python go.....
Its about the libraries dude
Hahaha legit… i just love Python 😂
The libraries that only last a few years. FastAPI will be dead soon and there will be another library... Mind boggling
@@JackBauerDev that's just how all computer stuff works
@jackBauerDev this is what I was thinking when watching the video as well. Same has been done with Javascript and now Python... but yet Python lovers talk trash about strongly typed languages such as C# and Java.
Yeah, and that's why I learned rust as a second language after python. Powerful combination!
Was hoping to see full list at the end
If you need static typing use a statically typed language
You forgot rye - a complete project and package manager (uses uv for installing package too)
me who use all of them except "mypy". I will use it in the future anyway.
Glad you will use it!
Have a question. I have pylance and in vscode typecheking is basic. If I use mypy should I turn off vscode type checking? I tried mypy type checker by Microsoft worked me without pip install mypy. But it does not show undefined local variables with red sign. And also I don't like black formatter, it messed up my codes. For example while a greater b, it uses () in this code and in () it goes a new line @@CodingWithLewis
"Hatch" is great too!
Is it worth using mypy even with VSCode? Asking bc IIRC the official VSCode extension for Python has its own tool that "conflicts" with mypy
Helpful
How incredible is it that a language can suck so bad that you need 4 different tools to replace the standard tool chain and fix all the bad designs with the language itself.
C, js, PHP, Python...
At this point shitty toolchain is the standard.
@@droga_mleczna At least 3 of those have a stdlib... ;)
Well written installation or venv creation script can pull docker out of the chain.
Thanks for the listing...love it
i have never heard of any of these tools, even though i consider myself an active programmer on the internet (in the meaning of being up to date, and knowing about the new tech)
I sould know about docker
You've never heard of docker? The rest are understandable, but the modern web-at-scale is literally built in docker (via k8s).
@@sophiophile i heard of docker, but not about anything else
Strong typed languages are moving towards dynamic typing, and vice versa... What's the point.
I only use docker from this list, but that with a great passion😂
Mypy is great, and it's actually pretty easy to hack on, especially with the Annotation type object.
when i started to watch this i was like: is that george cooper?
Can we have something like this sir for node?
Poetry is also such as great tool
Lewis is underrated
I prefer Poetry as a pip replacement
It's a whole lot of things to learn on top of having to learn python itself.......
Thank you sir
Wow
I need video like this but for Typescript
This dude is a low-key Rust marketer, who has been sent to discredit Python.
Python users should be learning Rust at this point.
Docker is fun if you're not in computer graphics lol
What about pycharm? Is it good compared to the ones you mentioned?
PyCharm is an IDE. More turnkey than VisualStudio and built quite well
Any resources on how to start with these
Their documentation is great! For the most part, it’s usually just plug and play
@@CodingWithLewisyou’re a GOAT for saying ‘try it’ and not ‘buy a course’
How to code Python in 2024: Just code. Nobody has to tell you how to code. Get some "Python for beginners" book at your local bookstore and go ahead. Maybe check conformation with PEP 8 before you make it public, but code as you want.
I’ve been learning python for the past month or so now and I have no idea what to do with any of this lmao. I think I’m cooked
Never get diverted for the time. All those are supportive tools
This shorts its kinda fun bcz he only tells about backend usefull techs. If you write NN or do deep math computations - all of this is useless
At this point, just use rust.
Thanks man
Why uv and not poetry?
1) you choose normal language and learn it
2) code in it
As much as i love rust,c, go, can't beat the convince of quickly getting things done for an internal tool or a test server that only going to be used by just 20 people...
Are u a web dev?
bro reminds me of george cooper rip
omg, Sheldon's dad explains cs
Just use rust and enjoy it…
1. Pydantic
2. Black (WTH do we need speed here?)
3. ... ok maybe mypy
4. pdm (i got fed up with poetry)
5. Docker
I guess I'm only partially coding in 2024
ruff works as both a linter and formatter otherwise you'd need flake8, black and other crap
Where’s reflex on that list?
So python have like typescript in js?
Wait! Why isnt anybody memtioning Mojo anymore? Isnt this still the natural evolution?🤔
So at the end, all of python is replaced by rust 😂
what about Tkinter?
Hot take, Smojo is one of the best programming languages ever. What do you think? 🤔
Python hurts my eyes.
Most LSP configs do this almost out of the box and they beat the pants off of intellisense.
Sorry, but this is the sort of advice that guarantees your product will never ship and never work on any two developers desktop the same way. Yes, including using Docker. Stop jumping to the newest bestesst hypest thing all of the time people.
PyCharm + SonarLint and Rainbow Brackets Plugins + Docker-/Compose
Hi Lewis!!! I actually beat bots to the comment section 😅
That’s how I know you’re a real one
Thanks!
Yeah no.
Don't try to make a language be what it's not supposed to be.
Keep Python being the scripting language to automate tasks and run simple stuff with fast setup.
There is absolutely no need to use all this.
If you're trying to do some form of "proper" application software development with Python, you're just too lazy to learn a language that is optimized for it.
Same goes for Rust btw, and C++ and C# for that matter, but with other parameters. Neither Rust nor C++ is the answer to everything unless you're a diehard fanboy for no good reason.
At this point just straight-up use Rust
I don’t need any of these because I don’t suck
Thats a lot of jank to make a super slow version of Go
Colima for Mac
Hey guys I have a great idea, lets put shit load of pre-compilers, linters and crap with their configs and shit, invent a new package manager to manage them for you know, reasons, and make python as great as javascript development. As long as we can get some loud people on board, we can spread cult style, we can call them MUST use in fact and trigger FOMO in some poor devs. Another great language is ruined, developer time is wasted, but who cares as long as some dev-influencers sell online courses and some devs are making careers by marketing their shitty libraries.
In all this mess, I have decided to learn programming. Starting with Python, please guide me if you see my message.
@@AARUJIIBII Get a book, use official documentation, learn basics and write code, read, skip all online course crap, skip youtube. Do projects, that is how you learn including workflow, do not get advices from self claimed "experts"
@@utkua Got it, thankyou..
i dont think pydantic is that needed. native python typing system with mypy i think is enough
i don wanna, is too hard :(((
- Sincerely,
a C developer
Ill stick to my if statement and ninja rigged while loops
so when will {} be added?
At this point, why do we even use Python?
Pydantic? Intellisense? I just use Notepadd++
Or just use Go?
people are crazy about every tool being written in rust like python wasn't written in C
I think people also seem to forget about things like brython - browser python, jython for python in a jre, micropython etc.The ecosystem is vast and touches on many other platforms and languages.
Bython
Python with semicolon, and some C's things
missed testcontainers
Types in Python! And I thought dynamic typing is why Python is better than Java
You can code away without types and this works well... but when it comes to testing your codebase with other code, having types is useful to stop errors before they become a problem. Also, your code will run faster as you are giving some hinting to the python interpreter about his stuff should work.
@@MikePreston-darkflib So, maybe then just use a statically-typed language? Like Java
@@rogerdinhelm4671 eew
No love for poetry?
Just... just use Rust at this point.
So.... "How to turn Python into Rust, but slower" in 5 easy steps?
where is pypy?
Why would someone still use Python?
Low barrier to entry and massive ecosystem that probably covers your use case.
How does MyPy differ from PyLance?
Pylance is an lsp (pyright) + other integrations. Its a near full featured extension for python dev. A formatter is just a single part of pylance.
@@hanzofuma Python isn't my first language, so I don't know what PyRight is. 😅
I loved Python when it was a powerful scripting system. I legit wanted to replace my shell with ipython at some point.
But it is obviously not ideal for large, performance sensitive applications.
Then they started adding all this static typing nonsense and at this point why not pull the band aid off and code in rust? It's OBVIOUSLY what you want.
Huge apps like instagram run on pure python . The type hinting is a very good documentation tool . Why talk big when you kind of lack ?
@@CrYpt001 instead of dumb ad-hoc fallacies actually think.
It doesn't matter that large apps are written in python if they have to pour millions into optimizing it because it is a slow language.
And I used to LOVE Python. I loved it's 'batteries included' approach back when we didn't juggle with virtualenvs. Back when it was just a really powerful scripting language.
Type hinting in Python combines the verbosity of Rust with the slowness of Python itself, minus the robust macro system.
But I guess you are just looking for people to anonymously insult.
@@sadsongs7731 Someone saw tsoding's video . Python's slowness is fine many times including for giant projects . It's not a fallacy to give a counter example . Pouring millions into your project is good if it makes sense practically . Your entire opinions lie on some presumptions that simply you can't know . I do agree on python turning into js 2.0 with all the env, managers , frameworks and libraries . But I like the type hinting as a documentation tool . It is what it is , you can just do it lightly and it's delightful for scripting .
Typehinting can give you a boost in speed in normal situations. Also you have tools like mypyc which can use to improve it further.
Also, to add...
When dealing with code, it is generally not the execution speed that matters but how maintainable it is. Being able to iterate quickly on code to get features to market is often better than having code running 3x faster (remember python can use C and Rust in libraries) but needing minutes to compile each time you make a change.
python devs realizing too late that they need types in their language hahahaha
Takes about the time of writing three classes and you get your first run time error.
ruff is so useless. Pycharm already had that built in.
I just use idle
You shouldn’t code in Python in the first place, please use a real language like assembly and/or C
I don't use any of these things. I'm fine.
Bros are moving from type-safe to dynamic because it's handy and then making dynamic type-safe again.
They realize it's faster to spend 3x the time programming and 1/10x the time debugging
you lost me at pydantic